Gear Queer Thread

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>>32105508
multicam wizards these days

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>>32105536
>Is it worth do get for "muh MARSOC" meme
I got it out of sheer curiosity of the lv-mbav, and for that swift clip chest rig.
Right now I prefer it over my crye AVS just for sheer comfort reasons.

>what size did you get.
s/m to fit my medium sized plates.

>>32105711
I emailed Crye back when the LV first showed up in their catalogue about when it might go on sale and got a very politely worded "Fuck Off".

Supposedly First Spear has their own version developed in conjunction with Crye, but there's all of zero info about it out there.

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So where do you guys get your ifak contents? I'm about to pull the trigger on some kind of ifak pouch for my battle belt, but i'm at a loss as to where I should buy all the shit I need to put into it.

Of course I only know basic medical stuff so I won't be purchasing anything like NPA's or what not.

Pic semi related, an old picture of my belt sans the inner velcro belt and some other crap.

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>>32105508

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>>32105533
Multicam you say?

>>32105816
Phokus Research and Dark Angel is where I get all my stuff.

>>32105816

It depends if you plan on buying a premade one or get it piece by piece.

Honestly dude, I shopped around a lot and for the most part Amazon is going to have your best prices on shit like that.

Anyone ever find a cheaper way to do it?

>>32105850
Ebay. its potentially cheaper but it takes a while to figure out what is the best deal and in what condition.

Otherwise its immensely rewarding.

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>>32105865
I would also maybe worry about expiration dates if using Ebay. I have had some really really shitty dates using Amazon too though. I got quick clot that expired in like a month once.

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>IFAK edition

I've probably gone through more IFAK pouches than anyone else on this board. Just ordered another one today.

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>>32105917
>>IFAK edition

>>32105711
where did you pick up plates?

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>>32105826

>>32105964
Is this yours? I have this on my hard drive as the definitive response to people who ask what medical to get. Nicely done.

>>32105823
What is that big pouch? East German gas mask?

>>32105988
It is actually. As with the banana picture, "save it, it's all your my friend."

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>>32105988
Here's what it looks like in the insert.

>>32105996
>>32105996
East German 4 mag pouch. I got them back when they were $1.50 on the internet. There are 2 mags in half and the other half i cut out the divider and made an IFAK.

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>>32105508
Nice PLCE style set up I had an old UCP flc that I butchered to try and make something similar.

>>32106040
Always wondered how you folks got the Suspenders from a LBV

>>32105964
>>32106026
Rad dude. I have always assumed it was an SOE medical tray but i figured i would ask you while i have you here.

Its exactly the medical kit i use. The only thing i would recommend is to double your gloves (two pair) and keep them loose. As an EMT, i dont have time to do shit like open up that package of gloves.

>>32106062
NVM. I now see that they are in a ziplock bag. thats probably fine. I feel stupid. I thought they were those little single serve glove packets that come with CPR masks.

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>>32106062

I use the SOE tray currently, it's a bit larger and allows me to fit some chest seals and shears in addition to those other items.

>>32106058
so on the LBV the front panel is attachedto the suspenders by 1 inch webbing just like on the Alice y suspenders. So I just removed the straps and meat hooks from the Alice y suspenders and then removed the LBV front panel from the suspenders and put the y suspender straps in there. I'll post a picture in a minute.

>>32106124
LBV pads and suspenders are so fucking comfy.

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>>32106088
Mine is the ATS slimline IFAK pouch. Comes with the insert. Here it is on the belt.

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>>32106058
If you want any other pics let me know

>>32106144
No shit? that's all I needed! Wow thanks man.

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>>32106143

Wow it's actually quite rare to see multisham pouches in this day and age. I'm feeling a bit nostalgic.

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posting gear, i know my color schemes are all fucked up

>>32105959
another anon
bulletproofme
hoplitearmor
ebay

>>32106229
psst you should get the 200 round Alice pouches.

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>>32106233
Here is a pic of my ifak

>>32106242
for a dump pouch?

>>32106307
yes? I have two. Big fuckers

>>32106314
ill look into it anon, i mostly use the little one for snacks or random shit

So for those who have crye pants, I heard that the knee pads tend to have a tendency of popping out when operating for long periods of time

is this true?

>>32106354
>is this true?
yes

>>32105533
a multicam overcoat like that would be fucking rad

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The messenger bag is all medical except 2 AR mags and a multi-tool.

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OD is best D

>>32105917
Dispense unto us your knowledge oh avid ifak user.

Which one is your favorite? I'm still inbetween just shoving everything into a tactical fanny bag or going the pouch on my belt route

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>>32106388
Also my Ifak is more or less the backpack kit from this thread

Anyone recommend good snow shoes?

>>32106466
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1918123619/military-surplus-snowshoes-with-bindings
these seem cheap but I don't know fuckall about snow shoes and 5 pounds seems heavyish

Any black Friday deals on plate carriers?

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Thinking about changing up to a new plate carrier or I'm considering ditching the cumberbund for some side straps.

Any ideas for side straps that would work well? The stock cumberbund is wayyyyyyy too tall and I want something more minimalist

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So Gear Queers...

In a SHTF scenario whatever it may be, I need to go out and get resources or do whatever outside of my home/bug out.

I probably don't want to look like a future soldier or madda cheeb with all that weight and equipment.
Would a warbelt/ plate carrier setup with molle up the ass sound about right for a vepr ak/ glock 17 setup? Or does someone have a different setup idea for being out all day with some tools, firstaid, and rifle & pistol setup. I would wear underneath whatevers appropriate for the weather I wouldn't go crazy with camos unless I can think of something matching michigans metro detroit woodland.

Example setup picture attached (not mine)

>>32106525
didn't check your picture before I posted, Wondering if I'd have issues with belt getting in the way too

>>32106703
If I had that setup, I would go out with just the belt and shift a couple of primary mags to it as well as an ifak. Throw in a civie camelbak carrier and youre set.

>>32106806
I have so many questions nut mainly just this one:

Fucking why?

>>32106806
cute. CUTE.

>>32105816
Look at a premade ifak and buy the contents on eBay. Most kits are around $100 for essentially an Israeli bandage, a few pieces of gauze, and tape.

I think I spent around $150, but I got four Israeli bandages, almost a thousand packs of gauze in various sizes, 400 nitrile gloves, fuckload of band aids, chest seals, and two tqs. Plus a good bit of medicine to use for a separate boo boo kit.

Make your main ifak, make a car ifak, make a dank home trauma kit, and make little med packs to keep at work or give to friends or whatever.

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>>32106806
dude, why do you own jap school girl clothing, and a type 89?

Still need
>Radio
>IFAK
>Battle belt
>Bump helmet

Body armor is for faggots

>>32106806
>looks at magazines
>air shit

Son I am dissapoint

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So, I'm looking at upgrading to a plate carrier. Kinda looking at getting a Defcon 5 plate carrier in Vegetato. That or a Mayflower APC in brown.

anyone have any experiance with Defcon 5 products?

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>>32107024
Fuck. Forgot picture. So much turkey and scotch

What is the purpose of spending so much money for pants and jackets from these boutique producers? If you are just collectors i can see that

New to /GQ/, but I'm the anon that asked about the Monkey Stomper 2 threads ago (I think). A couple people said it would be to heavy to go onto a belt, and I'm inclined to agree after doing a mock load with an AK pouch on my leather belt. Even with a fully loaded pistol, it was too much weight on one side. So, What if I put it on my Banshee, and make my belt Pistol and IFAK only?

> Banshee would hold a Monkey Stomper, Radio, plates, chem lights, and maybe some misc stuff.
> Slim Belt would hold Pistol, Knife, Dump pouch, IFAK, Gloves.
> Backpack should hold everything else I need.

Thoughts? Kind of a total noob to this, so any help is appreciated.

>>32107093
L M A O

>>32106040
Not mine it was from an SAS guy on eBay selling his shit a few years back.

>>32105711
May I ask what makes the MBAV so comfy?

Looking at plate carriers and specifically the one from eagle industries PC-W/C. Any other to keep in mind? They are currently sold out of the one I want and their sales rep is jerking me around.

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>>32107247
It's a combination of the cummerbund being separate elastic bands and the four-way stretch fabric for the plates if you ask me.

Are Defcon 5 products any good?

>>32107316
What can you say about it's downsides? How bad is not having hydration attached to the back and being limited only to chest rig platforms?

>>32107151
What?

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>>32107024
You're for faggots.

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>>32106374
>>32105826
: 3

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>>32107496
Cubano Master Rcae

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hopefully this is more detailed.

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>>32107421
What can you say about it's downsides?
The only downside I can come up with right now is the mbav soft armor cut. and all my gripe is that the mbav soft armor kind of wings out at the bottom making more surface area in contact with my skin and causes me to sweat more.

>How bad is not having hydration attached to the back and being limited only to chest rig platforms?
I'm of the opinion that attaching hydration packs to PC is just terrible. it gets in the way of your patrol pack and generally makes vehicle work a chore.

pic related is an example of how I usually like to carry my water , but sometimes I just throw a bottle in my: cargo pocket, mag pouch, rucksack, dump pouch or just leave it in the vehicle.

A nice thing about having your Pack not attached to your PC that goes overlooked, you can take off you pack slam it on the ground and use it as a shooting rest when engaging a targets at a distance.

who says I'm nailed down to a chest rig?
I can always take the chest rig off and put on some webbing or a tac vest over the slick PC if I desire.

>>32106806
...I want this. Where can I get a nip schoolbag like that?

>>32107148
Grown men playing dress-up?
more money than sense?

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>>32107148
I don't buy fancy ass tactical boutique stuff; I just use my normal outdoors clothing. The gear queer stuff I buy for fetish reasons. I have a thing for tactical gear like some people have with latex or rubber.

I have a strange feeling i don't like my gear. Like a lot has changed since i started getting my kit. I want to sell everything and start over again, how fucked am i?

>>32107986
I've been there. 3 times.

I don't know how to get out of this either.

Fuck..

can a G3 mag fit into a AK mag pouch?

>>32108092
odds are no. go with m1a pouches, but itll be snug

>>32108126
damn it.

>>32108092
Buy a mil surp G3 mag pouch

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>>32108092
Maybe?

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>>32107986
>>32108003

That is the best possible situation you could ever find yourself in. It means you've learned something.

Only through experimentation and personal experience are we able to fully understand what works best for our own needs and applications.

Sometimes a few of things we try just don't work out. Sometimes none of it does. But you now have a better foundation of knowledge to build off of in deciding your next equipment selection.

You don't want to become the GQ Fudd who's never tried anything different yet proclaims their way to be the best and only way.

Your predicament might cost you slightly in the short term, but the personal gain will have made it worth it. Especially considering it's likely bound to happen again.

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>>32108206
truth. is this Squid or do you like to larp as him?

>>32108168
I have them. I'm looking at switching to molle and my only options are multicam or brown for G3 mag pouches. But I've found AK mag pouches in the camo I'm looking at moving towards.

So, I'm trying to see if I can actually go with a full matching camo setup or not. kinda looking like my kit is going to have to go brown from the way it looks.

>>32108159
>>32108276
m1a aint ideal but there is wider molle support and variation, and still works

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>>32108231

No, this is Patrick!

What plate carrier do you guys reccomend for a small framed dude? I bought a condor "one size fits all" plate carrier because poorfag a while ago but now I'm ready for something that will actually fit me.

>Inb4 skinnyfag

>>32108378
My Banshee just came in and it fits me pretty well once I brought in the straps.

> 6', 140lb here. 32" waist.

>>32108378

Something that's sized directly to the plates, of which you might even need smaller ones. JPC is one of the few that immediately comes to mind.

>>32106229
>AK-74M
>7 mags total
>Walther PP?
>At least 2 mags

Firearm and ammo alone, I wager that to be around 18.5lb for perhaps 226 rounds if I had to guess? Both in terms of weight and amount of ammo?

>>32105823
For some reason, those mags are REALLY fucking with me. I want to say it's 7.62x39 but it just doesn't seem to have quite ENOUGH curve. Anyways...

>AK-74
>7 mags

15.8lb if I had to try and guess as accurately as possible. I don't know why though, but when I see someone who owns multiple versions of the same gear, there's just something both desperately lonely about it, yet awesomely chill. For instance if it was a dire straights situation where everything was going to fuck, but some dude just came up to me, said I seemed like a decent guy, then handed me that stuff if I went with him, then he'd instantly become my best fucking friend. Meh, hopefully whoever owns those has a /k/-tier (God-tier) girlfriend to outfit with it.

>>32106388
Fucking weird AR; no forward assist. Made to be a replica of that one Vietnam-era carbine? Can't remember the name.

>>32108231
>AR15 with thick-ass barrel and ACOG
8lb?
>5 STANAG mags
5.5lb

13.5lb, 150 rounds. Very nice, but where's that 5th mag going? Are the pouches on the left hip (from the carrier's perspective) holding more mags? Pretty dark. Looks like a good setup, though. Nice and light. No pistol?

>>32106144
More pics please

>>32108416
damn slim

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>>32108497
I used to namefag as HungryHungrySkeleton for a reason.

>>32108463
Oh, oh, do me. do me. (minus the backpack, don't carry it as often, it normally lives in the car when I go out now.

>>32108463
>Fucking weird AR; no forward assist. Made to be a replica of that one Vietnam-era carbine? Can't remember the name.
Its a wrong handed upper from Stag. forward assist is on the other side

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When it comes to combat shirts, what do y'all use? 5.11, Tru-spec, condor, voodoo, surplus, or other?

I'm looking at 5.11 currently. I love their pants i got.

>>32108600
what the fuck is a combat shirt?
sounds like a great way to fleece money from fools

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>>32108600
CRYE OR DIE

patagonia is gtg 2 but lel vaporware.

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>>32108463
>>AR15 with thick-ass barrel and ACOG
>8lb?
pretty much on the spot

>>5 STANAG mags
>5.5lb
>where's that 5th mag going?
I have several options since there are 2 double stack pouches on my left-hand side on the cummerbund of the PC.

not to mention the belt line.

I got a Glock 19 just didn't bother including it in my picture.

>>32108618
The sleeves of a bdu jacket, torso of an underarmor athletic shirt.

Wore mine in country often. Worth their weight if you're actually humping around with a pc, but absolute garbage once it started getting cold at night.

>>32108600
I got a Rothco to try out, it's trash. Halloween costume tier.

I saw 5.11 quarter zip ones at gander mountain the other day, they felt really thin and not as durable as I want. But I'm looking for something with sleeves about the weight of ACUs.

>>32108580
alright, let's see... looks like an AKM of sorts, I'm seeing... 9 mags in total? Looks like that dark green one to the top right might hold more though, I dunno, but I already have a feeling that I'm not gonna like this loadout weight. Hopefully those mag pouches hold 1 mag each instead of 2. 7.62x39 ain't light, mane.

Pistol looks like a CZ of some sort though the Jericho looks similar as I recall. I'll just stick with the CZ for now. Can't see any spare mags... OH! Middle two AK mag pouches; 2 little pistol-mag pockets on each? 5 mags total? Yikes. So let's call it...

>AKM w/... some kind of fucking bigass muzzle brake
7lb?
>9 plastic AKM mags
13lb?
>CZ or Jericho
2lb
>5 mags (just gonna guess 15 rounds each and it's in 9mm)
2.5-3lb?

>24.5-25lb for 345 rounds. That... actually doesn't sound THAT bad considering you have so fucking much ammo. Still, generally speaking, I think 6 spare mags of 7.62x39 is better to go with. Get rid of 2 mags, and you're down to about 21-21.5lb. But hey, if we were to talk about a longterm survival situation, and if you managed to save your ammo for mostly hunting, you'd be set for fucking YEARS.

>>32108655
That's a pricy T-shirt there. Any reason to your preference of them over their competitors? Pocket layout, materials, stitching? Just a fanboy?

>>32108687
so its not typical athletic gear, i see

>>32108588
Oh, interesting.

>>32108657
So we're at 13.5lb with 150 rounds. A loaded Glock 19 would bring it at perhaps 15.5lb for 165 rounds? Can't quite remember how much a Glock 19 weighs. I'm guessing around 1.5lb unloaded. 15 rounds 9mm is about .4lb I figure, and the mag shouldn't add much more on top of that.

Keep in mind that all this weight stuff I'm doing is just off the top of my head with guesstimations based on information I've autistically memorized somehow. I also recall Chinese and Hungarian steel 75rnd drums for 7.62x39 being around 5lb loaded, as is the 100-rnd beta-mag thing when loaded with 5.56/.223. Loaded STANAG mags are about 1.1lb (though heavier bullets can increase this slightly), vZ.58 mags are 1.6lb loaded, 3 SKS clips is 1.2lb, plastic/bakelite AKM mags are around 1.65lb loaded, and the steel AKM mags are... 1.8 or 1.9lb loaded? Bah, hard to remember. I just find it fun to try and figure out weights based on firearms/ammo, but I'm shitty with most everything else when it comes to gear weight.

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>>32108705
The only thing you messed up on is that it's eight 30 round AK mags. (and that muzzle brake is super light, but off now) It's one 5 round mag in that green pouch. And yes, Jericho with 5 mags (though one of those is absolute shit and got replaced with a Smith and Wesson multitool) other than that, spot on man. I'm impressed.

>>32108760
> Really messed that post up. Meant to say:
1 AK mag in the gun, 4 on the chest, 3 in the pouch and a 5 round one in the pouch as well.

>>32108600
I use regular tshirts and then layer with blouse, jackets, etc accordingly

>>32108711
The stitching, pockets, layout, and materials are head and heels above the rest of the competition, but 25% is the brand name price, I will admit. I kind of collect them because 2 is one and one is none. 5.11 is eh, kinda shitty, and drifire is g2g. With combat shirts your money goes into the stretch/wicking material and the stitching. If you want good combat shirts, you're pretty linited. Drifire, Crye, Patagonia, and some replicas like Semapo and FFI.

>>32108794
Cool, thanks man. I know price (generally) reflects quality, and I'm willing to shell out some cash, but if I'm gonna drop three digits on a shirt or pair of pants, it better be damn good.

>>32105711
Hey that last chest rig on the right, what mag pouches are those?

>>32108760
>>32108769
So you've got 9 mags after all, but it just so happens that one is really friggin' tiny. Anyways, thanks for the kind words, I quite enjoy this whole 'loadout weight' stuff. If it were me, I'd probably ditch the 5-rounder, take away 2 AKM mags but probably keep the ammo on SKS clips to keep it nice and neat (2.4lb instead of about 3.3lb; knocks off 1lb), and take away two mags, possibly leaving the 30 rounds of 9mm out of it. 30 rounds of 115gr 9mm is probably about .8-.9lb, heavier if it's 124gr of course, at least .9lb. The two steel mags themselves would also knock off a bit of weight. Check this out though...

>vZ.58
Roughly 6.5lb as I recall
>3 spare mags and 1 in the firearm (120 rounds)
6.4lb
>21 SKS clips (210 rounds)
8.4lb
>TOTAL for 330 rounds of 7.62x39)
21.3lb

Yeah that's without a sidearm, but let's try some more stuff.

>AR-15 with 14" barrel
Roughly 6.3lb
>11 STANAG mags (330 rounds)
12.1lb
>TOTAL for 330 rounds
18.4lb

Same amount of ammo for both, yet for 7.62x39, all that ammo is only 3lb heavier. Not too shabby. I'd definitely prefer to have 7.62x39 handy rather than 5.56/.223 when it came to hunting stuff like deer or bigger. Alright, that's enough ranting for one post.

>>32106374
its just a poncho

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>>32108206
This is the best thing I've read in a GQ thread in a LONG time. You get a thanksgiving internet cookie. Serious real talk right their.

>>32108963
I've considered dumping that side pouch all together, knocking 3 mags plus the 5 rounder out of the equation, and adding SKS stripper clips. I actually already have a couple clips loaded, though I never shoot my SKS, it's just a dust collector right now. but I have 2 clips of 124gr HP and I think 5 clips of 124FMJ right now. I'd have to look for specific numbers, but that feels right. Plus I have a ziplock baggie of like 20 clips still unloaded.

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>>32108969
Your right is is just an OPSEC multicam poncho but it works well for my needs and equipment.http://www.survival-solutions.com/o-p-s-e-c--details.html

>>32109023
Well a plastic AKM mag is about 1.65lb as I recall, while 3 SKS clips is 1.2lb. Nearly half a pound saved for every mag you swap for clips. Just a shame you can't use your AK as a mag loader like the vZ.58, but the Chinese made mag loaders. Ought to be cheap I figure, perhaps buy a couple. One for your loadout, and one as backup in a backpack or something just in case you lose or somehow break (lol) the mag loader. Since you can't reload the rifle with clips though, probably best to have more than just 3 spare magazines, not that I think you'd ever actually get in a situation where you need more than 120 rounds. Just better safe than sorry.

I really do find it fascinating that an SKS can carry nearly as much ammo as an AR15 of similar weight (say, one with a 20" barrel, bayonet, and cleaning kit. Ought to be about 8.5lb by then). 1.1lb for STANAG mag, 1.2lb for 3 SKS clips, rifle of similar weight... something to think about.

>>32109083
Once your break down the numbers, you realize why the SKS was such an obvious choice for the gun you grab when you go to the woods.

>>32107539
Post. Using. Gear.

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>tfw can't take gear out to family land because it's hunting season

>>32108416
>>32108580

> 6', 140lb here. 32" waist.

holy shit, how can you be so scrawny and still have a gut. I'm the same height as you, but 175lb like a normal human male and still 32" waist.

Why name yourself hungryskeleton? Skeletons don't have disproportionate guts. You have successfully combined the two most unappealing body traits of a fat fuck and a scrawny twig.

Kill yourself skinnyfat

>>32109112
>Affordable (at least in Canada it's pretty damn cheap)
>Reliable
>Easy to use
>Easy to maintain
>Cleaning kit in buttstock
>Accurate to a solid 300-400m (some have taken it to half a Kilometer)

Even the weight isn't too bad. 8.5lb? Try taking off the bayonet. Not light enough? Don't think you'll ever need the cleaning kit? You could take that out as well, possibly even remove the butt plate to take out the inner workings of the cleaning kit retention spring thing. With the bayonet and cleaning kit/spring removed, who knows, it might actually be less than 8lb unloaded. Personally however, I love having the bayonet and cleaning kit. The most I'd probably ever use the bayonet for is to just pierce an animal's throat that I hunted to make sure it's bled out, but if I'm going to gut it there on the spot there's not really any need so I can see why people would see it as unnecessary and just serving to make it more front heavy. Still, I like it, and hey, if worst comes to worse and I'm innawoods with someone trying to do me in and I'm out of ammo, I'd rather have a spear than a club, but talking about 'scenarios' like that is a pretty cringy thing to do.

Main downsides of the SKS is basically mag capacity and the fact there's no bolt hold-open so reloading without an empty mag is kind of a nightmare. Getting a Tapco mag helps though. More capacity, and surely there's some sort of method that can be used to awkwardly hold the bolt open while stuffing a clip in to get an extra ten rounds to play with. Anyways, in the majority of self-defence situations, only 1-3 shots are fired, so 10 is PLENTY. Speed reloading isn't a particularly useful thing either. If it comes down to having to reload in as few seconds as possible just to stay alive, then shit's fucked and you're probably not going to make it anyways.

>>32109377
My Su-16 is 6.2 lbs, and that's with 2x loaded 10 round magazines in the butt stock and a primary arms microdot on it.

>>32109323
I. . . Uhm. . . Do you measure differently than I do? Because I can honestly say that I do not have a gut. At all. I don't know why you think I'm skinnyfat, but ok.

>>32106354
Yup. Especially after being used for what they're for, like anything that involves putting all your weight on it and moving around.

>>32109377
Mine was pretty cheap. Got it for $200+ some extra .22 I had lying around during that major price hike. While it's a hell of a shooter, I usually take my AK or AR out. Maybe I would enjoy it more if I shot it more often, but as is,It just sits with my other guns I don't shoot so often.

>>32109438
Huh, that's a new one. Well, for me it is at least. Funny lookin' little firearm, and 5lb unloaded is it? Damn, very nice. Still, I'd prefer 7.62x39 over .223/5.56 innawoods or hunting. If .30-30 can take down a moose, then 7.62x39 can as well, surely. .223/5.56 can as well, but I wouldn't trust it as much as 7.62x39. Wait, 3 10-rnd mags AND a non-magnifying optic for just 1.2lb of weight? .223/5.56 weigh about 35-38 rounds per pound, so without the weight of the mags or the dot, it's already a solid .8lb of ammo. Do you have, like, a carbine version of the Su-16 or something? I'm surious as to how much a loaded 10-rnd mag weighs. I doubt it's .4lb like an SKS clip.

>>32109496
Fair enough, the AK and AR are more modern anyways. Well, the AK and SKS designs technically entered mass production at the same time but as far as designs go, with the detachable 30-rnd mag, the AK is definitely more 'modern' and stands the test of time better, not to mention the AKM is lighter. Russian AKM is what, 8.4lb loaded with a plastic or bakelite mag? That's basically the weight of an unloaded SKS, but the AKM has 30 rounds. Add a bayonet, though... or take off the SKS's... best to keep it to apples vs apples.

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>>32108482
like I said I cut the meat hooks off and tied a loop of 550 through a column of stitching on the pals webbing

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>>32109236
>tfw your parents lost the farm and family land

>>32109503
>If .30-30 can take down a moose
It can
>then 7.62x39 can as well
It cannot
>surely. .223/5.56 can as well
It cannot
>.223/5.56 weigh about 35-38 rounds per pound
Not exactly sure about your math
>I doubt it's .4lb like an SKS clip
I am almost positive that 7.62x39 weighs more than .223/5.56

In any case, the Su-16 has a built in bipod, and if you don't like the red dot it uses ghost ring sights and can use AR mags.

>>32109538
>>then 7.62x39 can as well
>It cannot
fucking what.

>>32109323
i gotta back >>32109477

if hes 140 theres negative gut on the guy. im 6' and been 160 since h.s. and still wear 32's

>>32109535
>the feels when your fuckass bitch greatgrandmom sold massive tracts of wyoming ranchland off instead of keeping it in the family

>the feels when your ancestors in the south screwed the pooch by losing the civil war and having their plantations taken and slaves freed

>>32109549
I'm sure it could kill a moose eventually with quite a few shots, but anything can kill anything with volume of fire and that is just ineffective

>>32109575
no, just how you think 30-30 can kill a moose yet 7.62x39 can't is pretty dumb m8.
like shit man, I've seen lots of moose die to .444 marlin or even .257, its all about shot placement.

>>32109557
ouch, WY is god tier ranch land and /k/ friendly to the upmost

>>32109589
I may have confused 30-30 with 30.06

>>32109575
7.62x39 would absolutely kill a moose.

Jesus christ, caliber creep in hunting is obscene.

A well placed shot with a 5.56 nato would kill a moose. But given that fudds cant shoot for shit beyond 100 yds, they tend to have to repeatedly blast animals to put them down, hence the desire for more power.

Fuck, i had a buddy shoot a moose at 110 yards with a .30-'06 this fall. He shot it three times: once in the ass, the next in the gut, the last one in the fucking *rack*. My other buddy with him had to follow up with a .300 winmag. Hit him in the *neck*.

Meanwhile i took one with a single .308 through brush.

Power creep in hunting cartriges is real, and being driven by fudds who can't shoot. Their justification is "lol the animal still died, so whatever"

>>32109636
Well I guess I learned something new today

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>>32109636
>shot it three times: once in the ass, the next in the gut, the last one in the fucking *rack*. My other buddy with him had to follow up with a .300 winmag. Hit him in the *neck*.

>>32109659
Seriously. It took all of my willpower not to smack the .30-'06 guy when i was talking him out of buying a .338 winmag to replace said .30-'06 and he tried to say "dude I've hunted way more than you, i know what I'm talking about"

For the record, i convinced him to buy a crate of ammo instead.

>>32109595
Yeah my dad drove us by there once on a trip to Yellowstone. Fucking incredible. He had some choice words to say about his grandmother.

Has anyone seen deals on medical kit?

>>32109538
.30-30 are VERY similar in potency. With the same barrel lengths and bullet weights, you're looking at very similar velocities. 123gr from a 20" SKS-45 barrel will likely get you around 2400-2450 ft/s I wager, which isn't far off from what .30-30 will get with a similar weight bullet and a similarly long barrel. If .30-30 can do it, 7.62x39 can do it.

If you're unsure about the math, look it up. It depends on bullet weight. 55gr M193 5.56 is about 38 rounds per pound as I recall, while 62gr is likely more around 36. 77gr is probably down around 33 or something. Generally, 35-38 rounds per pound with .223/5.56.

7.62x39 DOES weigh more than .223/5.56, I promise you that, but the thing is, when you have 7.62x39 on CLIPS and .223/5.56 in MAGS, it makes a big difference. MAGS weigh more than CLIP. A 30-rnd STANAG mag of 5.56 weighs about 1.1lb, while 3 10-rnd SKS clips weigh about 1.2lb. Almost identical, but that STANAG mag has one follower, one baseplate, and one mag spring. 3 10-rnd mags have 3 followers, baseplates, and mag springs, as well as more overall mag BODY to compensate for this fact, so 3 10-rnd mags will weigh more than 1 30-rnd mag, so 3 SKS clips will likely weigh less than 3 10-rnd 5.56/.223 mags.

I highly doubt you Su-16 weighs just 6.2lb with optic and 3 10-rnd mags. Maybe if it's an Su-16D which would appear to have just a 10" barrel, quite carbine length and undoubtedly very light.

My guess is, a standard Su-16 with 3 10-rnd mags and a non-magnifying optic, if the unloaded Su-16 is 5lb unloaded, would weigh about 6.8lb at LEAST. What size this optic it is makes a difference. To be fair, even at just 6.8lb, that's a good 1lb or so lighter if you were to remove the bayonet/cleaning kit from an SKS. Still, STANAG mags weigh about as much as 3 SKS clips, so an Su-16 can have about as much ammo as a stripped down SKS-45, but with at least 1lb saved, which could go towards 1 more mag.

>>32109735
well it's 2 mags but w/e

>>32109617
You still fucked up, because .30-30 can and has been used to take down moose. Seriously, get a .30-30 and a 7.62x39, put them in rifles with the same barrel lengths, and make sure they're both using the same bullet weights. I wager 7.62x39 will be MAYBE 100 ft/s slower. About the difference if you do the same between .303 British and .308. Same barrel lengths, same bullet weight, MAYBE 100 ft/s slower for the .303. They're VERY comparable cartridges that are on VERY even ground. If one can do it, so can the other.

>>32109636
This. I'm certain there's been some lunatics out there who have killed deer with .22lr. IraqVeteran8888 alluded that he "knew" that it could be done but "legally" couldn't give any more information than that. It was obvious he was basically saying either he had done it, or had seen it done before. He seems like the kind of guy who would either he would, or have a friend who would, take a shot at a deer with .22lr for one reason or another.

Anyways, though .223/5.56 could take down a moose if you had to and if you're good enough, possibly even with just one shot, I'd still trust 7.62x39 to have a better chance of doing so, so would prefer it.

>>32109323
>>32109477

I'm 5'11" 160 lbs, I wear 32x32

>>32109778
You said 2x loaded mags in the buttstock, so I assumed you would also have one in the actual magwell. I'm sorry, I don't usually say this, but are you retarded or something? If you only have 2 mags, just say so. Confusing .30-30 with .30-06? What? Thinking that 7.62x39 and 5.56/.223 just flatout CANNOT kill a moose, as though trying to hunt it with a BB gun or something? Come on, dude. Even when I'm drunk off my ASS, I still make more sense than you.

>>32109819
Hey buddy I'm pretty fucking drunk too. When I weighed it the magwell was empty

>>32109806
>>32109477
>>32108416
There are a few things at work here. Muscle is heavier than fat, for one. Anyone with more muscle tone is going to have a smaller waist but weigh more than mr skellington. Secondly, different people wear their pants at a different height. Some people wear their pants completely above their hips, some around their hips, and some slightly below. Even on the same person, pants that are made to fit these different places will measure differently with the same numbers on them. Vanity size is a real thing. Lastly, some guys just have fat, girly badonks that deserve a nice pair of tight pants.

>>32108416
>>32109554
>>32109806
Buncha twigs here.
5'10" 36x30 and 230.

>>32109956
What percentage of your day gets dedicated to shoving shit inside of you?

>>32108618
found the non mil

if you knew shit you'd know that combat shirts are one of the greatest military acquisitions in history

>>32109806
My closet has clothes that fit you

>>32108698
Check out bundeswehr surplus, if you can handle the fleck. It fits the criteria you're describing.

>>32108600
511's sleeves are too baggy to even be considered for a combat shirt

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>>32109323
>Tfw 6'2"
>Tfw 137lb
>Tfw 30"x35"
>Tfw can't find pants anywhere and have to settle of baggy pants that keep falling off without a belt
Honestly, I should have spent money on food instead of ammo but what-ever.

Let's say I'm fighting as a rebel in a besieged California city. It is open war and I'm fighting against the newly formed fascist American Empire. Since resupply is always sketchy, I like to retain my empty mags with in dump pouch. Does this sound reasonable? I'm wondering if I should get a dump pouch.

pls respond

>>32110882
Yes, Jesus. Of course you want some kind of miscellany pouch. Get something with a strong attachment and multiple points to secure it. You'll end up throwing a bunch of shit in there. It's like a trick or treat sack bu t everything is candy. Make sure it's not somewhere that's going to get in the Way when it's stuffed full of loot and or magazines.

>>32110683
But it was designed with direct feedback from both military and law enforcement personnel.

>>32110683
Too baggy as in too long, or are your little manlet arms just not filling them out like they do your abercrombie tees?

>>32111312
DEALS, DEALS WHERE ARE THE DEALS?

Your order has been received.


I.. i bought.. PLATATAC!!!!

>>32111315
Sorry, guy. It started last night, so everything good is already sold out. Tough break.

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>>32111416
Im just gonna start shitting up this thread i guess. All alone.

>>32109837
So I guess my assessment is correct. If it DID have 3 mags, then it'd likely be around 6.8lb since a 10-rnd mag of .223/5.56 is probably about .5lb or so while an SKS clip is about .4lb.

>>32109236
commie hunting season or what's the matter?

>>32109956
t.fatass

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>>32112010
"I don't want you scaring the deer off" - my grandpa
He believes that if I go shoot a day on the weekend the deer will disappear, even though he still hasn't killed anything this season.

>>32112147
so you lied. you can take out the gear but have to keep cosplaying instead of operating. please be more specific next time.

>>32112147
>if I go shoot a day on the weekend the deer will disappear.
Where did this start? My dad tells that excuse to me all the time when I need to zero a scope or irons during durr season (like right now, have my AR irons to zero and a red dot that needs at least put on paper).

>>32112189
Basically
>>32112202
No idea, but shooting at indoor ranges blows. It's all that's close to me

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>>32112210
> Indoor ranges blow.

Tell me about it. There's only 1 close to where I live and it's always full of fudds that just take up a lane to tell you that you need a bigger gun to shoot deer (a 'good' size deer here may hit 100lbs), or just shoot a round, let the barrel cool, shoot a round, from their .22. Or it's full of black guys bragging that they just got a Glawk brand Glawk .40, when in reality they have a CZ75 in 9mm. Actually saw that one in person, no lie.
>MFW

>>32112247
kek
I have 4 indoor ranges close to me. 3 of them suck dick because they have the 1 round every 3 seconds rule. The last one actually has really good staff and no dumb rules and you can shoot steel core, but their shop is lacking in variety.

>>32105533
Speaking of multicam, I'm getting ready to finally buy a plate carrier today, hopefully one on sale.

I'm thinking of getting a Shellback Banshee since that seems to be the plate carrier everyone starts off with, and I'm torn between getting it in tan or multicam. I live in the midwest so I'm thinking the tan would be a better choice, but if anyone has any suggestions I'm all ears.

>>32112325
I generally recommend solid color gear over camo gear. It makes it easier to switch your base camo without being a camo mixing whore.

>>32112335
And, you know, paying that sweet $20 liscence fee for it.

Just get a tan one and get it dirty.

>>32112335
I was kinda thinking that as well.

>>32112343
Everywhere I've looked so far the multicam has been the same price as the tan one. Maybe I'm just looking in shit places but everywhere I've looked they've been $210. I saw some on ebay for $135 but I don't trust they're not knockoffs.

>>32112354
I got mine in Coyote Brown. Mainly because the belt I got was also brown. Now I just need armor plates, mag pouches for both of them and a few other items and I should be good.

>>32112423
Brown is probably better than tan, I'll look for that I guess.

Also, I've been reading up on it more and I'm starting to think it won't hold side plates without buying extra side pouches for the cummerbund, is that true?

>>32112445
Yes, the cummerbund is just Molle on inside and out. Personally I like it, but I'm going to be using it for storage spots, not side plates.

Anyone ever use the HSGI UDHP Holster? Or is it even worth trying?

>>32112467
Shieeet. I already have some III+ side plates since they were on sale for $30, might as well get a carrier that can hold them.

>>32110069
Found the dude with bad knees and dead homies
If these shirts werent so gay would america have won its fights in the middle east?

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>>32111475
Nah, I got ya.

>>32112576
but thats not YOUR rocket launcher.

Come back when you have one at home and shoot estes rockets out of them like I do.

>>32112564
SO EDGY

But seriously, that was fucked up.

>>32112601
Yea kinda,
The knife cuts two ways when people assume their choices in life are superior. Why would anyone who has seen how the VA treats people want to go into that system? For some the costs outweigh the risks though

I came to these threads for shooting gear but stayed for the cosplay

>>32112576
can't wait to get back to the line and play with the goose

>>32108923
AWS universal mag pouch

It's a placeholder until I can find a coyote brown 1000d eagle m4 triple pouch

>>32112585
>Carl Gustaf
>Rockets

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>>32109236
Where did you get that carrier in digi flora? I've been looking for something like that

>>32112972
if he said cannon balls would it make you feel better /k/oko.

>>32113081
I'm not that anon, but I believe it is a Russian Cubano Cortes plate carrier made by R- Karbid. You can find them on Fleabay if you look around. I've heard good things about them on this board.

>>32112335
Camo mixing is just fine.

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>>32105508
Is multi-cam effective in the northeast vt/nh area? And is multi-cam the most common camo used on gear?

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>>32113402
>implying

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>>32113517
>implying

>>32106388
What boots

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cleaned it up a lil. Moved yhr TW down to the side of my ifak and tightened the shoulder straps to adjust for the new weight of the antenna. Legit Thales whip antenna is in the mail, should help recieve better. Might re-route the antenna to the rear plate bag. Speaking of moving, I was thinkinn about bumping the ifak back to where the GP pouch is, putting the gp pouch on the left cumberbund where the radio is, and moving the radio over to where the ifak currently is. Thoughts?

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>>32114053
clean kits that's what I like to see.
But why don't you just use your cummerbund's radio pouch?

>>32108206
You made my day
Never change, /k/

Are firehose pants good to go?
Obviously they aren't made for combat like many other pants are, but the cargo pockets fit stanag mags perfectly and have heard they hold up pretty well to wear.

>>32114547
I got a set, they work pretty well for everything i've used them for around the farm. Got a lot of pockets

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>>32114167
Ease of access. The MBITR pouches stay attatched but have a portion that flips down allowing you to access the radio without really much work.

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Anyone have experience with Snake Eater Tactical Belts? Are they good?

>>32114547
>hold stanag perfectly
I'll have to look into , intadesting if true

>>32107064
switch your shoulder patches so the American flag is pointing in the correct direction, because the kraut flag is basically direction-agnostic

>>32114547
they're heavy, but they're tough as fuck and make great everyday wear as well as range clothes. i've been wearing them for years now.

Hey /gq/ how bad should I feel about considering getting some civilian fudd camo clothing? I would be wearing a plate carrier and whatever, but I was thinking these camoflages might be better suited to my area than a lot of these desert or true woodland patterns?

Any brands or patterns that you guys would recommend in central/south TX?

>get my u94 ptt
>wrong fucking 2 prong

you know what I dont care anymore im going to jam it in and pray.

>>32114805

Is that the Eagle SOFLCS pouch?

Does the battery compartment on the PRO interfere with a lefty magnifier?
I heard with the m4 optic the compartment sticks out so you need to adjust the magnifier back to compensate, just curious if this is the case with the pro as they appear to have similar compartments.

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>>32115162
>jam it in as a joke
>it fucking works

WHAT THE FUCK IS MY LIFE PRAISE LORD KEK!!!

>>32115267
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Amplify-Nexus-U94-A-Sordin-Comtac-MBITR-Kenwood-radio-K-type-Grade-A-/181107522057

i got memed by my own greed. At least I only paid 30 bucks for mine.

>>32115180
Fuck if I know it just says Gen 2 MBITR. Got it out of the bargain bin at my local surplus store.

>>32115717

Could you post a better pic of it? One with the tag preferably.

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>>32115734
At work until about 2 in the morning. Otherwise I would.

>>32115824
>being a cook
LOL FAGGOT FELL FOR THE MEME

>>32115836
>being a cook is a meme

>>32115853
Worst year of my life man.

>>32115836
>paying my way through college
Yep, fell for it.

>>32115879
Being a cook is the worst hell ever. I wouldnt wish that hell on anybody.

>>32115734
I googled what you described and yes, they are identical. So I guess it is.

>>32112601

Dogs shouldn't bark at their masters

>>32115891
This guy I knew told me that he was going to enlist in the army so he came to me for advice. He asked me what MOS was good. I told him 92G was his best bet. I didn't like that guy.

>>32115894

How much did you pay? They go for $100+ on ebay.

>>32115914
Ha. I like you anon.

>>32115918
15 bucks.

>>32115931
That's good because that other guy doesn't like me anymore. Apparently Fort Drum gets pretty cold.

>>32115958
Holy shit your bad. Real bad.


JUST HOW I LIKE THEM.

>>32115936

I'll give you twenty.

>>32115975
Yeah I should be a recruiter because I fucked him good, no bonus.

>>32116003
Did you at least spit before stuffing it in?

>>32116016
What do I look like, a spit factory?

>>32116052
Brutality.

>>32115989
No

>>32115897
now this is a reply thats dumb enough to come from a .mil type
when BHO says jump the army says how high
hows that transgendered soldier integration going?

>>32115879
>Gettin learnins

Wow, what a faggot.

>>32109575
STOP SHITPOSTING

>>32116410
>wanting to start at O-1 rather than E-1
Yeah you got a point though, I'm a butterbars faggot in the making right now.

>>32116052
>green weenie strikes again
I was lucky my recruiter was brotier

>>32116580
My recruiter was about to let me go cav scout but this old dude working at meps slapped some sense into me

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>>32116611
>was about to go cav scout but dude slapped some sense into me.

Oh...nice...if only i had that happened

>>32116793
Ssshhhh little cav scout... It'll be ok...

>>32113433
multicam is the most effective camo for New England

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>>32113081
>carrier in digi flora

just got one today, cheap and better than nothing i guess
"Jagun Tactical"
inb4 airshit

Level IV ceramic plates for $100

https://uspalm.com/product/level-iv-hard-armor-plate/

>>32117251
Looks like 6b46.

>>32117251
>mixing fleck and digiflora
>rifle
CANTWAKEUP

>>32107148
What is the purpose of coming into every /GQ/ thread and asking the same question?

Sooo... London Bridge Trading is having a ~40% off sale.

Currently debating whether to get a 6094 in ranger green and a 6094-SLICK in multicam or just another 6094 in multicam... what do you guys think? Is there a use case for a barebones plate carrier like the slick, and I can just add LBE gear when desired, or am I crazy and should just get another full size plate carrier?

>>32112576
i heard they started issueing guztavs to weapon squads glad to see its legit

>>32115824
what is in the white barrels?

>>32112576
how are you a grenadier and issued the gustav? your either a grenadier or a gustav team also if your the gunner doesnt that mean your like a 3 or 4? thought you were higher up there.

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>>32117318

sorry to trigger you senpai

tfw NO MARPAT OR FLECK CARRIERS

>>32117981
he was an assistant gunner on a 240 like 6 months ago. his job changes based on what is needed.

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Is splinter camo Gucci?

Any good deals on multicam triple mag pouches?

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>>32118076
Bundeswehr knows that feel.

>>32117529
Ughhh, maybe I should just get the multicam carrier for now and maybe try to crowdfund a flecktarn carrier from LBT.

How often does LBT have sales?

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>>32105508

>>32118267
Move your rear sight back

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>>32118203
green gear is better anyway.

>>32117964
>>32117981
I'm on a line squad, I haven't been a Leader in a while.

I'm also a Javelin Gunner when the situation calls for it.

Being undermanned is suffering.

>>32118354
But that's brown...

I bought the multicam LBT carrier (building both a flecktarn and a multicam kit). If I like it, I'll buy a ranger green one next time they have a sale.

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>>32118406
>But that's brown...

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>>32106806
This would have been pretty /k/ if isn't wasn't airshit.

Nice try.


Anyone know of a 2x3 rifle/pistol mag pouch that holds 2 rifle mags and three pistol mags?

Is my best bet just buying a triple pistol mag pouch then putting it on top of a double rifle mag pouch?

Anyone own a HSGI MPC
And is it better then a jpc?

Hey famlam,

I'm looking into buying an Arc'treyx Cold WX LT. Any reason I should get an SV? I just don't see a reason to justify the extra 400 or so dollars.

Also looking for winter gear suggestions.

>>32118406
if you want a fleck pc, look up lindnerhof taktik and Zentauron

lindnerhof is supposedly said to be the german version of crye and zentauron is in a contract is Bundeswehr for making their plate carries

>>32118094
I could dig it.

>>32105508


Anybody Looking for plates;

https://uspalm.com/product-category/armor/

$100 Level IVs for the rest of the night. This is the cheapest I've ever seen em.

>>32118094
holy fuck dude, please give me your contact info so I can get this and dem norwegian crye cuts

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>>32119038
M98 order is closed, splinter camo was just a test to see how it looked not a real thing.

>>32115267
>>32115321

wait you used an un-amplified ptt and it works?!

>>32119122
fuck, you got my hopes up

are you opening up the norwegian run again or it was a one time thing

>>32119175
I probably will, maybe with some other camos too

>>32119200
what camos you planning to?

Is this a good buy for CC?

http://www.daraholsters.com/glock-43-holster/

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All packed up to go camp/shoot tomorrow. Going to a new spot innawoods. I'm excited.

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>>32119122
>splinter camo was just a test
Don't tease a man like that. You got my hopes up.

>>32119217
We will see
>>32119265
Sorry for the spook, but don't loose all hope yet

>>32119327
So we will

In the mean time. I shall prepare my wallet

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>>32118833
the SV acts as a insulated shell

>>32119352

Damn...that is nice.

>>32119352
You own one/no the temperature rating you would wear each at?

>>32119200
what sizes does your manufacturer do?

>>32118267
>Those cucked mags

Also >>32118341 is right. They should be as far apart as possible to create better sight picture.

>>32119433
I don't own a SV just an LT.
my LT got me through -40 weather with a good baselayer, sweater, the LT, and a softshell though

>>32107093
>>32107024

How you can call someone else a faggot with a straight face is beyond me.

>>32113081
Look up r-karbid

>>32119494
Damn I might go all out and get an SV, I'm looking to go to Mountain Warfare School and VT is cold as balls. I just can't justify the extra cash in my head though.

>>32119327
Danish M84 pls

>>32119005
Thanks, picked up two of these. I figure if I change my mind later and want a rectangular plate for my back, I can always take the other one out to the range, shoot it up, and video the results for others.

Please tell me there wasn't a way to get free shipping on these... just ponied up $32.

>>32113863
Vasque Breeze 2.0 GTX

So I just looked at 5 different flecktarn pants on Amazon because my current ones don't have deep enough pockets and are, ahem, getting a bit tight in the winters...

They all have a button fly. What's up with that? Why?

LBT multicam tropic carrier got me. Sucks that so few companies readily sell anything outside middle east colors.

Comfiest shoulder straps? For a Mayflower apc.

Also, I've got ceramic front and back plates and level 3 softies in the cummerbunds; is that the best balance of mobility/protection?

>>32120341
Derp. I meant 3A

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>>32120158
>LBT multicam tropic carrier got me
MAS Grey. I'm still debating on getting a PC or chest rig.

The M05 Finnish socks on varusteleka any good? Been needing to stock up on more socks and they're a pretty good price as far as wool socks go.

>>32120373
Get both. Their low profile/modular/whatever rig is nice for wearing under a jacket with a load of mags in it. Get the carrier for home defense/cosplay.

>>32120426
>Their low profile/modular/whatever rig is nice for wearing under a jacket with a load of mags in it
I'm in Florida for school and that would be the most practical that I could throw on under a rain jacket or something. Also plan on using it for the range. I'd like to get both but poorfag currently so it's Sophie's Choice sadly.

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>>32120341
HSGI shoulder straps are the shit I hear.

best balance
that's for you to decide.

>>32120410
>M05 Finnish socks
I own some great socks. I like to layer them with Smartwool in the winter, or just when I need to double up.

>>32120488
http://lbtinc.com/2586h55mc
Doesn't look super comfy if you intend on carrying a lot of weight, but that's probably your best bet. Not sure where to recommend you get the pouches - LBT pouches seem perhaps a bit pricey for your situation.

More important to carry ammo than armor if you have to choose one.

They also make a low profile plate carrier that only weighs around 1.5lbs if you wanted to think about getting that later.