/akg/ AK General

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Make sure and get your fancy AK47 lamp to broadcast your slavic-inspired autism.

are there any plum waffles floating around still?

Are Century 5.45 WASR 2's any good?

>>31976552
Sure.
But expect to pay a premium if you find one, as they're mostly relegated to collectors.
Too bad Kvar/FIME won't get Arsenal to make more.
It's not like they wouldn't sell out, repeatedly.

Is their actual russian parts kits floating around or are we stuck with saigas for genuine ruskie rifles?

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What do you keep in your nightstand /akg/?

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>>31976771
Lube, condoms, books, a GameBoy Micro, and a Browning Hi Power loaded with 147gr Federal HSTs

>>31976762
vepr

>>31976787
Is that folding stock welded?

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>>31975787
It's an early WASR. The parts are solid but a lot of the guns are assembled with canted sights, sloppy crooked and/or oversized mag openings that will cause mag wobble, etc.

I have an earlier-than-WASR 1990s import Cugir 5.45mm type rifle and it's rock solid.

>>31975942
I can find no tests of that specific load online anywhere.

That having been said, every single Eastern European 5.45mm FMJ commercial ammo for which I have been able to find a test behaves exactly like 7N6 in ballistic gelatin--it yaws early, rapidly and violently, and sometimes curves and exits the block. It's very destructive.

I would not worry about the terminal ballistics. But since you bring up the term "SHTF"--which to me implies at least the possibility of living in a cave, or a forest dugout shelter for months if not years at a time--the non-lacquered, non-sealed steel cases give me pause. If the world is coming to an end I want ammo that won't rust or let in moisture to degrade the powder.

>>31976873
No it's just the weld on the stock

>>31976505
>posting garbage
I know most of the posters here are poor but come on.
Can we get a colt thread at least to balance this crap out?

>>31976873
The hinge part is welded on, the rest is constructed with spot welds

It's not welded closed, that's just how they're made

>>31976896
Colt......bwahaha

>>31976896
I am kind of an AK n00b but I was under the impression that Bulgy waffles (note the double circle 10) were rare and difficult to get in the US anyway, and that in any color other than black, they were bonafide ultra-rare collectors' items.

There's a rinky-dink little gun show not far from me this weekend. One dealer always has black Bulgy waffle 7.62x39mm mags for fifty bucks each. From what I see from importers like K-Var that's not an enormous markup.

>>31976787
Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff!

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>>31976762
Rguns had tula and izhmash akm parts kits. Gl finding a Russian barrel.
>i bought one and found a russian barrel that was galled to shit

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>>31976505
Okay guys. I am tired of the fugly black plastic on my Arsenal.

Should I replace it with a surplus laminate set or a plum poly set?

I have 1 Izh true black mag, 3 Tula shiny plums, and 4 ((21)) firebrick red mags. If I get the laminate I should probably get a bakelite mag as well.

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>>31977034
>I am tired of the fugly black plastic on my Arsenal.

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>>31977053
Here's the kicker. It was originally green. The stock is "NATO length" as well. I want either laminate wood or plum furniture, just can't decide.

>>31977034
I can't find surplus plum sets anywhere. Where do you even get them?

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>>31977069
That's an Arsenal? Is it an SLR-105? You don't see those very often. I always wondered why they quit selling them, not everyone wants a folding stock.

I'd go for plum if it were me

>>31977076
Plum set:
http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/ak_furniture_3.htm (top)
Laminate:
http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/ak_furniture_2.htm (middle of the page or so)

I don't live in the UK/GB but this is the closest source for me. US sellers are either greedy cunts that take triple shipping charges or are pussies that don't want to ship internationally. I'm stuck with buying from some European sellers.

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>>31977094
It's an Arsenal (double circle 10 AB 28 XXXX on front trunnion) indeed.
Military surplus, it was used as an OPFOR gun with a blank adaptor in training exercises, then later sold to civilian market.

It originally had the Bulgarian hardwood stock and handguards, the plastic OD set was put on by a current owner.

>>31977069
>Promags
srsly?

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>>31977126
..by a former owner

It's got a MOE+ grip on here (I was dumb enough to buy a set of Magpul furniture which I mounted once and then promptly took off and stowed away), but I have the plastic furniture on now, like in the two first pictures.

I think it'd look p sleek with the plum set but at the same time I just love the look of laminate AK74 furniture combined with a bake mag.

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>>31976771
don't have a nightstand

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>>31975942
I haven't tried that exact brand, I use barnaul.
But I think the commercial 60gr ammo yaws better than surplus, and shoots so similarly that I don't even notice a POI change through a 4x scope at 400 yards.

>>31975942
>>31977185
Save 7N6 for shit going down and shoot commercial

I also keep my HD mags loaded with it

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>>31977094
I need more pics of these 2 together

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who is saving up to buy Kalashnikov USAs new rifle?

Since we sometimes have people come to the thread who are able to obtain Russian mags and similar things, I have to ask: does anyone have a line on other Eastern European stuff? I'd like to get my greedy little mitts on some Bulgarian 7.62x39 waffle mags without paying fifty bucks each for them.

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>>31977250
>new rifle
If it even comes out wouldn't it also be their first rifle?

>>31976555
Standard ak thread pitch rather than 74 but that's ok. Mag wobble can be an issue. Test with surplus mags. I have one I love

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Look what followed me home today.

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When I get my 74. I'm going to switch out the furniture for an old school plum kebab remover. But until then my 107 will be PLUM SEXY

>>31977327
D I C K

I

C

K

>>31977327
Not an AK.

>>31977327
I was about to say someone has been watching too much iraqveteran8888. But then I saw the markings. For real that mother fucker is really boring nowadays. Cut copy paste, his melt downs are still dope tho.

>>31977324
Not always. Not all are threaded. When I removed the "thread protector" that was tack-welded on, I found a bare muzzle with no threads at all. And the gunsmith said it looked like it might have originally been threaded but the threads were cut off and there wasn't enough metal to rethread it at 14x1 LH, but he was able to thread it 1/2x28.

>>31977315
no

>>31977177
Holy slavshit batman. Why didn't you just build an AR?

>>31977327
Nice.
You get bakelite grips with it?
If not, you plan on it?

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>>31977206
Not that I think it ever will, but if shit goes down, the last thing I want is to be using corrosive ammo.
Critter mag is hornady for me.

Hey guise I am thinking about holding off from picking up any rifles until February but do you think pistols will come down too? There's this c100 that I've been looking at and it seems like it could scratch my Cz D compact itch idk fellas.

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>>31977361
Pairs with them well

>>31977390
Eventually my fiancé wanted a fun shooter.

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>>31977397
If it wasn't so expensive I'd pic some up too. As for corrosive, I usually just pour a bottle of water through when I'm done shooting, still using up the last of my open 7N6

>>31976505
why does everybody jerk off to circle 10 so much when circle 21 is just as good?

Earlier this year I bought a Century M74 for 490 and free shipping. Should I sell it and get a better 5.45 AK with a chrome lined barrel?

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>>31977327
Noice m8

>>31977450
Shoulda sold it before the election, nobody is going to want it now

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>>31977438
You tell me.

>>31977468
I mean I'm sure I can offload it on some Armslist Schmuck if I wait long enough

>>31976892
The ammo description for that brand says "lacquer coated steel case," but it doesn't look nearly as heavily sealed as 7n6. ATM I'm storing it in a weather-tight .50 cal milsurp ammo can -- should that keep it relatively well? Reporting from humid af south Tejas.

>>31976968
Truth. Circle 10s are the best mags I have.

>>31977489
It'll be fine in the ammo can. When you take it out of the ammo can, load up mags, and start wading into the bayou, that's when I anticipate the possibility of problems.

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>>31977327
nice , a 1983
remember to get those red dick grips

>>31977377
Oh yeah? What other rifles have they actually made and sold and not just had listed on their website?

>>31977482
dagnabbit if I knew why, I wouldn't have asked.

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>>31977382
A 556 RPK is partially why. And they're dull as dishwater to me vs foreign rifles. I'll buy an slr ak first when decide to get a normal sized 556 gun. An AR is on the list though.
>>31977423
I only got one box, don't really need more than that.
I just spray remoil all over inside my gun insides after corrosive too, keeps the corrosion away till I shoot more. That fine mist covers everything.
Been years since I've shot corrosive though, not worth it when the price is so similar.

>>31977576
My ((21)) mags run flawless in my ((10)) rifle so idk. I see less ((21)) than ((10)) here so for me it's really just a matter of preference.

>>31977034
>>31977069
PLUM
L
U
M

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>>31977076
I got mine on ebay.

>>31977577
>just got back from an actual gun range
>deer season so I try not to disturb the deer
>normie-tier ARs everywhere
>grip-pods
>offset sights
>snipper scopes
>folding foregrips
>huge obnoxious muzzle brakes
>saw a woman with a pink AR shooting off the table with a grip-pod, stock was nowhere near her shoulder, she was just holding the pistol grip with both hands

>found out the hard way that Greek .30-06 is magnetic
I hate deer season

>>31977250
Have they announced the price yet? And why the fuck 7.62x51? God fucking damnit.

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>>31977910
No, because like every other one of their guns, it probably only exists as a shitty floor model that will never actually come to market.

>>31977910
Why not? It's easier to find non-corrosive. And it's an American made SVD, so why not use an American cartridge. Authenticity is already out of the question since it's US made.
>implying it exists

>>31978010
Id rather one in .308

So slavbros, now that our lord and savior Donald John Trump is set to be the next president, should I wait to buy an AK? Also, does anyone have hands on experience with Lee Armory?

>>31978081
...7.62x51 is .308

>>31978089
>>>31978081 (You)
>...7.62x51 is .308
I was meaning rather than 7.62x54r

>>31978089
He's not a real slavaboo

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Looks like WASRs prices are starting to trend downwards.
Tombstone Tactical currently has them for $629 w/free shipping.
We might get back to more normal pricing sooner than I thought.

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Sooo the c39v2 has dropped almost $300 since the election. At what price are they worth buying?

>>31976555
Look for a SAR2 with the upturned charging handle. Only things missing are threaded barrel & bayo lug tho.

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>>31978758
They are very popular around here (west-central ohio) for some reason. I talked to a guy at the range last week with one. Told me he wasn't really interested in an american AK, but he got such a great deal he couldn't pass it up. I asked him how much.

>$800
>mfw

>>31978758
Never. It's shitty.

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>>31978758
Not even free

>>31978819
>mfw gunshow about two months ago now
>guy buys C39V2 for 1300 before FFL cost
>asked seller (guy from shoot straight) why they're marked so high after guy leaves, tell him i got my arsenal for 600
>"they're just really good aks, i mean your arsenal is good too, but, eh, you know..."

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I got some mags today

>>31978862
I'm considering buying some of those. What rifle are you using them with, and how tight is the lock up compared to a Circle 10, plum or bakelite?

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So I just got a new P-mag and it different than my old ones- it has these metal bits that weren't on the old ones. This thing will not go into my gun. Is this common? Is there a fix?

>>31978909
They should fit in anything except a saiga. Which is what I have. Saiga requires either filing down the lug or maybe trimming the mag latch.

>>31978983
>Saiga requires either filing down the lug or maybe trimming the mag latch.

Are all Saiga's like that, or was there maybe a version that didn't require that? Because when I bought it mine was NIB completely unconverted 'sporter' style and it took standard AK mags right out of the box.

>>31978973
I'm not seeing it. Can you circle the metal bits and reup?

>>31978973
also, what kind of gun?

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>>31979100
One phone so I'll just take more pics

>>31978983
I expect them to fit, I just wondered about the general feel compared to other 5.45 mags. My ((10))s have tight zero-wobble fit, my plums have a tiny bit of give, and my bakelites have a bit more still. In my experience steel 7.62 mags have more wobble than polymer, is it the same case with these?

And yes, I know wobble doesn't matter in all but the most extreme cases. I just like my mag fitment on the tighter side.

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>>31979100
>>31979105
It's a Bulgarian AKM. Never had a problem with any brand mag before.

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>>31977250
Oh Shit! SVD Fucking Yes!!! My Body is Read...
>Klashnikov USA

Never mind

>>31979131
>>31979147

Oh OK, I see it. Looks like they just made the rear locking lug steel, which it should have been from day one. And reinforced the front locking luck with some steel. But it looks to me like none of that should affect how it fits in your gun.
Have you googled around to see if anybody else is having problems with those mags?
I only own one Pmag and it's a first gen red follower type.

>>31979176
Yeah exactly. No I haven't looked elsewhere I came here first.
I will google it and see if others have this problem too.

>>31979198
Sorry I couldn't actually help you.

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>>31977094
>not everyone wants a folding stock
i love my triangle folder, but it really fucks up the balance of the rifle. if arsenal was still making the 105's i would definitely have gotten one of those

>>31979202
No problem

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>>31979207
>balance
That's why you have to cut the front part off. Better balance and your gun takes up less space

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>>31979228
Ok, now I have no front sight.
Now what?

Thoughts on this ak?

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/lee-armory-polish-premium-ak-47-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

>>31977250
I'm so tired of these fags at KUSA, maybe they're just trying to string people along with their fingers crossed hoping that Russian sanctions would finally get lifted soon. Even if they do get lifted there's a good chance they'll get sued anyways for jacking all of the intellectual property without consent.

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>>31979374
>$1000 for a kit build from a literally who company

>>31979394
It looks high quality. Where else should I buy an AK if I want magwell dimples, ridges on the dustcover, wood furniture, and overall decent+ quality.

>>31979202
Did some digging and I can't find any complaints. Maybe mine is just a lemon? I have multiple old Pmags and have never had one issue. This new one just refuses to go in.

>>31979489
Interesting. Does it feel like the front lug locks in OK, then when you try to rock the rear lug in place it just won't go?
Does that rear lug look longer on the gen 2 than on the gen 1?

>>31979516
Yes that does indeed seem to be the problem. May try shaving it down a little.

>>31979373
I don't know this doesn't usually happen hmmm.....

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>>31977861
>I hate deer season
I think I pissed off a few deerhunters about half a mile away a while ago. I took the 308 converted mas 49/56 out and made a hell of a lot of noise right around sunset.
Other than that, just been playing at the home range here, did a little penetration test on some softer steel with wolf gold 55gr 223, barnaul 60gr 545, and golden tiger 762. Pic related, but doesn't capture it very well.
545 penetrated about twice as deep as 762, and 556 did about double what the 545 did.

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>>31979598
I'll try turning it off and on again.
>THAT DIDN'T WORK AT ALL!
fug

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>>31979679

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>>31979207
I actually like the balance of my rifle more with the triangle than with the poly. Makes me kinda worried that I'll finally put the money down for a PT-3 and not like it as much, dunno m8

>also someone sell me an old KR-1

>>31979604
The worst part is that when I got home I heard somebody else shooting so it wouldn't have made a difference anyways.

Difference between 5.45 and 5.56 is kind of surprising, I guess the 5.56 is moving a few hundred feet per second faster but damn

>>31976505
I am wanting to buy my first AK but don't know if I should pull the trigger now or wait and see how this import ban thing pans out. If I go for it now what is a recommended AK that is not too expensive but not super poor fag? I was thinking a Yugo N-PAP any thoughts?

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>>31979879
I wasn't expecting that much difference either. I had to measure the depth with a toothpick before I believed it.
But I have a lot of steel that no normal cartridge will touch except for 223 or 556. Steel cored 54r & 308 included. A 23.3" rpk barrel probably helps a bit in the speed department too vs a 16 or something.

Is Lee Armory any good?

https://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/lee-armory-battlefield-pick-up-romanian-ak-47-detail.html?Itemid=0

>>31979992
I've asked thrice and no one will answer.

>>31978862
Mine came in the mail today too. The lock up is kind of weird. They almost go all the way in and then you have to squish it another millimeter for it to lock. Mag release lever is heavier than normal to get it out too
But they smell like cosmoline which gets my dick hard so all is well

>>31980007
no one knows if they are good because no one has bought one because no one knows if they are good....

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SGL or SLR

Which is better?
Pls give reasons

http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286142

>>31980120
SGL, proper AK100 receiver, trunnion, etc, Russian barrel and shit too. SLR is basically an AKS-74 with the older trunnion equipment and a Bulgarian CHF CL barrel, all old Russian tooling

>>31980144
>proper AK100 receiver
do they still have those holes in the receiver like all converted Saigas have where the old trigger was?

>>31980161
No, these were built in the same factories as the AK100s and I think the only thing they had to do was what Arsenal does, mill out the magwell, thread barrel, change furniture, etc. But they had much better QC unlike Arsenal these past almost 2 years now I think

Califag here. I wanna get something before the end of the year. I dunno if i should just get a wasr or save for something better. The only arsenals seem to be milled and i wanted stamped gun for first ak.

>>31980173
get a Vepr

>>31977069
Plum if you can afford a proper set.

Is this a horrible, blow-up-in-my-face first AK? It's cheap and looks like sex and I want it, but I know how these cheap guns can be.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/amd-65-7-62x39-rifle-with-side-fold-stock-and-black-poly-pistol-grips

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plum circle 10 is semi-rare

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>>31980231

>>31980120
Essentially the same, leaning towards Arsenal if you average people's opinions. Saigas of obtained preban lore now they are banned. It's really just a matter of features.

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What mags are the rarest?

I'm thinking about painting some of my black bulgarian surplus mags.

>>31979992
no lee armory produce trash, they abuse their vendor status on akfiles as well

>>31980267

depends on caliber.

for 5.45 it's probably original bakelite tanker mags, experimental glass-filled bakelites, green border guards, and ribbed izzy plums.

>>31980217
other than the barrels tending to be a little soft, you should be okay

>>31980182
i do want one, but was feeling more of a standard akm feel. the fm47 looks kinda interesting, but it looks like im gonna have to furniture swap anything i get

>>31980252
Why do people favor the Slr over the sgl? Cause it folds? Lol

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>>31980267
this is probably one of the rarest... nobody even knows if it exists

>>31980333
don't they make folding SGLs?

https://www.classicfirearms.com/vz2008czechriflesemiautowmagsetc

This also has me interested. I don;t know whether this or >>31980217 would be better.

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>>31980337
>dunno if it exists
>has a picture of it

Chimps pls

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>>31980120
I own several of both, and both are top-tier.

SGL:
-russian brand russian AK gives the proper feels
-most are not sidefolders, and the ones that are don't have a reinforcement plate above the pistol grip
-AK100 spec, they serve as a great base for 103/104/74M/105 clones
-price is so high at the moment there's not a good reason to buy one unless you're wealthy or a collector.
-I have never seen one that was actually parkerized under the paint, despite internet claims to the contrary.

SLR
-Bulgarians make the best AKs outside of Russia meme. This is generalizing, but accurate IMO.
-They are dressed up as AK100 series but ARE NOT, the SLR104 is an AKS-74 and the SLR107 is a high-quality mutt of AKM and AKS-74 parts.
-4.5mm folder trunnion
-barrels apparently made with Steyr tooling or something. Not sure if this is a meme, but I can say that an SLR104 is the most accurate AK in my collection. Capable 1.5 inch groups at 100m. Your mileage may vary.
-parkerized under the paint

This is just a brief overview, probably missed some details. You really can't go wrong with either one.

>>31977250
fake. not on their twitter

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>>31977250
>only in 7.62x51

WHY THE FUCK WOULD THEY DO THAT?
WE WANT 54R

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>>31980346
I've owned a VZ2008 because they were legal in my previous state that AK's were banned in.
Buy an AK, don't get a VZ. They're a meme that Canada/Banned State fags justify by pretending they're better.

Pic related; the final form of my VZ before I sold it to some retarded MD resident a day before I changed my license to WV.

>>31980333
Just overall quality of matching, paint on the Arsenals are a tad nicer. Pretty minuscule difference between the two. I'd tend to agree that Arsenals, side by side when both were imported, were just a touch nicer.

Saigas are a little more modern in features.

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>>31980231
>>31980248

>>31980433
Machining/assembly*

>>31980391
Are you high? Go check.

>>31980421
ikr?

>>31980337
Is that a russian polyamide ribbed prototype?

>>31980313
I'm assuming (AK newfriend here) that this should be compatible with most AK parts? Furniture, internals, etc?

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If Trump lifts the import ban on Izhmash, what's the chance that we'll get Tigr's?

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>>31980421
>>31980477
You nerds, there's just a simply bigger market in the US for 7.62x51.

IMO they should hit up .30-06 for the hunting market in the US too.

>>31980546
>.30-06
if they're going to go after the meme cartridge market, at least do our meme cartridge too

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/AKG/ you deplorable bastards
I am no where near an expert in firearms and I've been trying to teach myself over the last year how to use my Slr and I am actually very satisfied with it. I know now that I want to go and reach out a little further with the platform but I'm not sure where to start.

This would be a DMR build that I'm going for. And I've narrowed it down to three rifles.. Slr104, Slr105, or 308 Vepr. Planning on using a Trijicon MRO as an optic. Is this a good route of thought? Or should I just put a Trijicon for my 107?

>>31980588
Are you retarded

>>31979489
The difference is that the plastic lug ones are MOE PMAGs, while the metal one is a Gen M3. The Gen M3 is a bit different and much more expensive, but the dimensions should still be the same.

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>>31980483
should it actually exist, yes...

>>31980532
we still have a voluntary trade restriction with Russia that doesn't allow SVDs.. it would have to go along with the sanctions

>>31980600
No, but why would you ask?
>inb4 AKM DMR

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>>31980625
What about the 20 rounder?
I thought it was rarer?

>>31980647
AKs can be used as a DMR fine enough, it's that you seem to have no fucking concept of what a DMR is or is intended to be used as

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>>31980666
yep, the 20 round is even more rare

>>31980679
>>been teaching myself
>>am nowhere near an expert
asking for advice? God, after a decade I still forget where I am sometimes... I am leaning towards the 308 but if Donald drops the 7n6 bans I'm going 545. I have till February and a budget of around 1200$. Which is why I'm considering just getting a Trijicon instead of a new rifle and work with what I got. (Also previously stated..)

>>31980736
A DMR in the American sense is just any rifle with a scope, something an MRO is not. Take M16A4, put midpower scope on it, is now DMR. If you took any AK and grabbed a PSO 4x or 6x scope you can make it a DMR. What is the actual point of the rifle supposed to be?

>>31980772
>Take M16A4, put midpower scope on it, is now DMR.
The Muhreens literally did this with the SAM-R

>>31980788
And the same concept was used with the Mk11, Mk12, DMR, M39, etc...

>>31980561
>old gun nuts with m1 garands plus all of the Remington 700s running around in .30-06 in the US
>meme round

>>31980772
Fuck I meant the TA-50. I am already running a PA Advanced Micro, so I have the reflex/RedDot covered. I want to be able to shoot 600-800meters with moderate precision. 5 moa? What's normally accepted here?

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>>31978841
Yea, I was at my ffl's the other day and he says, get this, Hey.. dude, check that out. I got the mother of all ak's right there. I was like, oh nice what is it a norinco? Lean it back out of the revolving stand and see its a c39v2. I couldn't fucking believe it.

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>>31980845
One of these?

In seriousness though, if you want a 4x grab a PSO. It's mount directly to the AK, and be like 1/3 or maybe even 1/4 the price while having the same exact function. It also won't look like shit like having an ACOG on an AK will.

>order a bake and some other steel surplus magazines on AIM
>haven't been emailed that they have shipped and it's been nearly a week

>>31980891
Someone was trying to tell me at Academy I couldn't shoot accurately with 7.62x39. I told him if you zero that rifle and do your part you should be fine to 400 meters.

>>31980912
Where could I find one somewhere else than Atlantic. I hear there be rustlings of Chinese fakes about those parts a rampant

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>>31980928
AK Files, Kalinka, I'm sure there's some hole in the wall sites that sell the shit. Could always attempt to get right from the source too but my understanding if that's hard as fuck

>>31980946
Ok, looks like it's akfiles time guys.
>>B-but akbro, I don't wanna be broke browsing akfiles
Do it fagget

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Holy shit I could get a new rifle and this optic next February. What do you think I should get for it though? Is the 308 I'm looking at a little too stout?

Are 106crs still shit?

>>31980421
If you actually had one you'd want one in .308.

There is literally no good 54R commercially available right now.

Kek.
>>31978649

>>31978973
The metal tabs = Gen3 PMAG ak mag.
old ones had plastic lugs/tabs, new ones are steel reinforced and steel lugs.

Probably just tight at first like most pmags. try shaving down the sides if you have to.

>>31980666
20 rounds mags are attractive to me. i wish they were more prevalent with ak pattern mags

>>31976505
Speaking of rare green mags, does anyone have the rare translucent green magazine pepe?

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>>31981436

>>31981410
They are, somewhat, but relegated mostly to 7.62x39.
Not so much in 5.45x39

>>31981463
fucking two months past the original release date

Are OKP-7s at all available yet?

>>31981590
Was a guy selling them for $400ish on eBay

>>31980217
>$549

Damn. Those were $499 a couple of weeks ago. Someone needs to tell Ben to drop his prices back down now that the scare is over.

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Finally got an outdoors pic of my WASR from shooting today.

>>31982344
>taking pics of a wasr
>wanting anyone to know you own one
well I guess you have a lot of confidence.

>>31982440
>implying there's anything wrong with his WASR

>>31982493
>century-shit
>no dimples

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>>31982440
It does the job for me anon. It's never malfunctioned, it's fairly accurate, it has completely straight sights, and has very little mag wobble. I love the way it looks and it's not an I.O or RAS-47 even though I paid about the same as one.

>>31982506
not built by century
who the fuck cares it doesn't have dimples? There is zero functional impact. Not everyone gets an AK to make a 1:1 clone of an issued rifle.

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>>31982344
>with dark oil rub, lots of oil

>>31982633
This. I have some spendy AKs and I still want a WASR

>>31982646
Been meaning to see if there's a way to darken the stock a bit, it's not nearly that vibrant in person, my camera just likes to over-saturate a bit. Any brands in mind? Not something I necessarily have experience with.

>>31982662
But you're a dumbass :^)

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>>31982440
Your gay

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>>31982615
I like your wasr looks great.

>>31982692
WASR with surplus furniture is pretty sexy, raw tough ass rifle. Don't be such a hedonist

So are Arsenal's not being imported for the time being? Will they start turning up again on Atlantic and whatnot or will it be a few years?

>>31982771
Thanks anon! Putting AKM furniture on it and getting a bakelite mag really improved the look.

>>31982804
hard to say, read rumors about some hitting the shores in spring/summer 2017

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>>31982815
Always does.

Where is the cheapest place I can get a new WASR or DDI?

>>31977450
>>31977468
I haven't really paid much attention to the M74, what's the deal with them? Just classic Century problems or something else entirely?

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Where do I get 545 mags? I can't find them in stock anywhere at all and I just got my rifle and I'd like more than one mag. I'd like some plums but I'd take anything at this point. I see people here getting them for $15

>>31979992
Aren't these the guys that tried to get the ATF to shut down jemak

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Why would sombody pay to have this done to a slr104 ?
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=286447

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Should I get a side rail for my new build? Going to keep the paint original but not sure if I should go with a side rail.

http://armsofamerica.com/romanianmilitarymodel1975akm47partskitnobarrel.aspx

https://www.desertfoxsales.com/AK_SIDE_RAIL_p/dfs-006r.htm

>>31983087
I'm not quite sure I understand? Are you asking why someone would want the gas block and front sight post combo?

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>>31982933
Someone please help. I had found some for $45 each but they sold before I could get them, and now I can't find shit.

>>31983119
Yes, why would they remove a factory pinned gas block for bolt on garbage. I mean it their rifle, but fuck.

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>>31983133
Isn't that how the AK105 is? Maybe they were going for that look?

>>31983159
Not really, just doesn't make sesne to me. To each his own i guess.

>>31983126
Wait for a group buy or akfiles

>>31983133
Also shorter sight radius

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>>31983203
>Wait for a group buy
Any idea when next one is and how much can I expect them to be/?

>>31983225
Wait around for VAguy and email him. last time 30rd mags were $25 after shipping

>>31982933
AIM has what appear to be NOS Izzy plums for $39.99 right now.

I'm tempted to get a couple but I'm waiting to hear if they're willing to hand pick for a certain mold number range (I want shiny plums and not matte).

>>31979131
>reinforces lugs
>doesnt reinforce area where feed lips split if dropped on ground

is magpul the new crapco

>>31983126
>airsoft

>>31980424
VZ2008 is not a VZ58 just like a RAS47 is not a <any good AK>

are US palm mags shit? the internet says they are good but ive never seen one posted on /k/ and theres a lot of mags in this thread.

>>31983805
For the price just get surplus

>>31980144

saiga's aren't ak100 receivers, ak100 series guns don't have a built in mechanism to prevent the gun from firing when folded, they don't have a huge hole cut in the back with the FCG int he back either.

>>31980168

U.S bound saiga's aren't built on the izhmash factory floor.

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>>31983755
I understand that. He linked to a VZ2008. Even VZ58's aren't as good as a good AK, though. The same thing applies though, with people in restricted areas convincing themselves that VZ58's are better just because they can't have an AK.

>>31983828
Bull there's pictures of the factory with saigas right next to 100 series

If importerbro sees this at any point, I sent you an email. Hopefully some good shit in the future

>>31983831
>Even VZ58's aren't as good as a good AK, though
How so? Both have long service records, both are utterly reliable, and the only things anyone ever have to say that makes the AK better is that it has a bigger and better aftermarket and that the vz gets hot if you magdump. Both are fine rifles, and I don't consider one better than the other. They're combloc workhorses that each have over half a century of a fantastic track record as a service rifle.

>>31975283
I'm not too concerned with how difficult it is or how much I need to invest, I really would prefer to get the means to do this myself rather than just getting a neato ak. You did say that you read up on it, do you have any suggested resources? How similar is building different types of AK? Would I be able to make sense of this build by following the build for something similar?

Sorry for seeming so new to this whole thing, but I am. I would just like to start off strong.

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>>31983831
>Even VZ58's aren't as good as a good AK, though.
Calling bullshit. You don't have to believe it's better like I and plenty of other vz/ak owners do, but it's certainly not worse by any stretch of the imagination.

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>>31984329
>>31984349
VZ58 is a decent alternative to an AK if you can't have one; but it is worse.

The mags are proprietary which is already a huge negative, along with the comparison of parts availability in general which is also a big issue.

The mag release is a pain in the ass compared to an AK, VERY especially with gloves on, and makes it almost impossible for left handed shooters to reload without using their firing hand.

AFAIK it also does a bit worse in function tests like mud test, etc.

It's not a bad gun, but it is worse than an AK, even if you disregard the mags and part availability.

>>31984393
>>31984329
>>31984349
Also as one of you said, it does seriously get hot as shit compared to AK's for sure. Forgot to include that.

>>31984393
>The mags are proprietary
This is the most bullshit argument about any firearm ever. OH IT DOESN'T TAKE GLOCK MAGS OR STANAG MAGS THAN IT'S SHIT!
>The mag release is a pain in the ass compared to an AK
Not really
>it almost impossible for left handed shooters to reload without using their firing hand.
I prefer it as a lefty actually, just use your trigger finger.
>mud test
kek yeah because InRange totally didn't make an entire video explaining mud tests specifically for people like you using them to judge whether or not something is shit depending on how bad it fails when dunked in mud

Literally the only actual negative thing you mentioned is that it gets hot which is literally negligible if you don't magdump, and if you want to magdump wear gloves

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>It's a "ak is better than vz" thread again
Great -_-

>>31984349
I used to believe it was just as good until one anon posted
>And it only jams when I bumpfire it like a jackass

>>31983885

Saiga's go to other countries too,not just america, Arms made in russian military factories are banned per the voluntary restraint agreement,saiga's being sent to the united states are assembled by Legion, the "custom shop" for izhmash, which is really just their civilian sales department.

>>31984420
How is mag/parts availability not a huge negative in a SHTF situation?

>Not really
The VZ has worst mag releases I've ever seen on a weapon. You have to get into a tiny gap between the release and the trigger guard. Why?

>Just use your trigger finger
You must have some long fucking fingers if you can successfully release the mag with your trigger finger. There's a good bit of resistance and releasing that way isn't easy, assuming you can push your finger that far out, and then inside the gap.

The mud test wasn't one of the major points, just a small addition. Excluding that it is still inferior.

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Anyone know about the ak63ds from Century Arms? I'm interested in an underfolder.

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>>31984526
I have one. I find it fun to shoot, but then again It's the only underfolder I have fired. Its a bit heavy being milled, somewhat strange balance to it. Surplus mags fit into it well and the finish seems decent. Only thing I don't really like about it is the button for the folding stock is a bit stiff, and seems to have a sweet spot it likes to be actuated in, and can take a bit of fooling with it to find it. This might just be because it is new, everything feels like a pretty good tight fit to me, the wood is nice. I only have probably 300 rnds through it, as it is one of my newer purchases.

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>>31984566
A few more pictures of it.

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>>31984578

>>31984453
What? haha
Have you ever read the VRA?

>>31978598
P R E S I D E N T T R U M P

>>31984453
Saigas haven't been sent to Legion in years. Stop regurgitating shit you hear on the interwebs.

>>31983087
Because they're fucking restarted.

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>>31983225
>>31983311
I'm here. The next mag order should be soon, RusAnon just had trouble getting a source for mags. The focus of the buy will be NOS 7.62 plums but there will be others left from previous group buys. Shoot me and email and I'll send out the price list once I have it
[email protected]

>>31985749
7.62 plums ? Can it be ?

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>>31985749
>7.62 plums

Wtf these exist?

>>31985749
You know RusAnon is in the US right? You're buying mags from a guy who buys mags from a guy in Russia who probably buys his mags from somebody else in Russia. This is why you have such terrible prices.

>>31985807
>$25
>terrible prices

>>31985827
posting from the front page
>$25
That is fucking inane

>muh ak cheap reliable

fuck outta here you can get magpul gen 3 pmags for $16 brand new

Those mags better give you more rounds or something

>>31985827
Dont worry hes special.

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>>31985839
kek

>>31985827
The first time they change hands they probably are $5 USD at most.

>>31985898
The first time it changes hands, it's in a place where they are oversaturated with mags and it doesn't have to ship across the ocean. If $25 after shipping is so terrible, then feel free to find us a better deal. To prove your point.

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Blaka Blaka

>>31985927
You're making a lot of people richer and all they're doing is acting as the middle man.

I don't owe you anything. I've bought mags from russia for much cheaper than that before.

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>>31985951
Wow, I never would have guessed you'd just post without actually backing up your claims.

>>31985991
How can I? Pictures of magazines that could have just as easily been bought from AIM? Or maybe a 5 year old bank statement showing a wire transfer that easily could have been modified in Photoshop?

Is it really that hard to believe people get mags cheaper than $25? Once again, I don't owe you anything.

>>31986016
>5 years ago
Wow, nothing has changed in 5 years.

>>31986016
It's not hard to believe, you're just being an asshole about it. You can either call them terrible prices and provide a better source or you can stop spewing shit. If you don't like something, then help make it better rather than being useless.

I'm sure I could get them cheaper too but then I'd have to put in the amount of work that I really don't care enough to do to find my own source or risk getting screwed on the transaction with an unknown seller.

>>31985797
>>31985801
Fuck, I meant 7.62 bakes and 5.45 plums.
>>31985807
Gib proofs. Also, I'd he were in the us why not just do what I do and not have to give magazines to a middle man? That's retarded

>>31986169
Wait, you really didn't know he's in the US? Honestly I'm not sure if he ever handles the mags, I think he just arranges the sale and takes some money off the top. You're getting fucked.

>>31976505
best ak 74 for the money?

>>31986219
IO inc.

What's a good rate for 5.45. I recently bought some silver bear for $10/30 rounds was that a good deal?

>>31986201
Are you fucking retarded? I am so called RusAnon and I am Russian. I live in Moscow.

>>31986335
Ah well, there's another poster here that even adopted a tripcode "RusAnon" saying he was you and that he's in the US. Not sure what he was trying to accomplish.

>>31986350
Are you talking about that one guy who wanted to sell the mags for $30? That was weird.

>>31986354
I mean you could search for his posts in the archive, since he was using a trip.

>>31986350
No, he was RusMagAnon.
And he was trying to do what VAFag does.
But he popped up once and hasn't made a peep since.

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C-can my Vz. 2008 play?

>>31984465
>How is mag/parts availability not a huge negative in a SHTF situation?
The most likely of scenarios. Like ammo, unless you keep spare parts on hand, it's unlikely you'd ever find them anyway. IRL, you aren't going to be walking around every day post SHTF looking like a threatening rambo unless you have a death wish anyway. If you look like a threat, don't be surprised if you're proactively treated like one when someone sees you in the distance. Besides, you'll have a lot more urgent worries than your guns.
>The VZ has worst mag releases I've ever seen on a weapon
That's the one thing that could definitely be better on it, but it's not THAT bad.
But it more than makes up for it with ease of access to areas needing cleaning, BHO, a folder that takes a literal second from fold to fire, and I love having comfy stripper clips in my pockets instead of large mags. You can load or top off a 30rd mag insanely fast too.
>>31986293
You overpaid by 2-3 cents/round after you factor in shipping costs of an online purchase. About 5c/r compared to poly coated wolf brand.

>>31986361
Here, did it for you guys.
Didn't know his trip, but here's all his posts.
>All from one day, and nothing since.

https://desuarchive.org/k/search/username/Rusmaganon/

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>>31986169
Lols i know.... but you never know

>>31984465
Ya no, I've got shorter fingers and I found I can release the mag with no issue when fiddling with mine left handed. Even when releasing it as intended the "small" gap isn't a hinderence. I'm not sure how you're having difficulty with it.

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Here´s something that´s probably news to many, the new Finnish RK62M and it´s picatinny rail system.

The company that makes them: http://www.valuemanufacturing.fi/products/

>>31986335
>>31986169
Any chance you guys could source shiny Tulas? Flecks for bonusbux

>>31986565
You mean 5,45 plumazines? Honestly was not going to stock these.

>>31986661
Eh whatever, send me a mail, I'll try to source some for you.
[email protected]

>>31986661
Sorry shitposting while working on a turbofan engine for a military program. It's an ironic feeling buying Cold War military surplus

Yes early 5,45 Tula plums, glossy sometimes with white specks in the polymer

>>31986466
Problem is, how many RK-62s/95s are available at a reasonable amount?

>>31986929
The rail system also fits any stamped or milled AK.

>>31979946
PAPs are a little rough, but reliable, from what I've heard. You should know that standard AK furniture won't fit them, but if you want to, you'll be able to find proprietary furniture that will, so I don't consider that a huge downside.

>>31986466
Wish I could actually buy one of their Galil mounts.

How does /akg/ feel about 5.56 AK74s?

>>31988177
they aight, I'd rather have a 5.56 AK47

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>>31988177
The gun itself is good as any other in the ak74 style, just a caliber choice.
It'll punch through steel far better than the other two calibers, that's for sure.

>>31988319
5.56 penetrating steel better than 7.62.. rrreeeeeeeee

>>31988357
See >>31979604
Holds true on hard steel too, outdoes 54r even.
It's not even remotely close.

>>31988408
And I haven't done a 54r test on soft steel, thatmaybe would outdo 223 easily.

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>>31988177
Good stuff.

>>31988408
The 5.45 looks a little deeper or comparable to me. I imagine if he used steel core 7n6, 5.56 would have been BTFO fatnik on suicide watch

>>31988357
It literally will though. Are you a dummy?

>>31988462
No way, been there done that. I exclusively shot 7n6 for years at steel.

>>31988462
He said he measured them, and the 5.56 was twice as deep as the 5.45. I'd still rather have 7.62x39, but it's good to know its weaknesses.

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>>31988519
Yeah, I love 545. 556 is just far better at wrecking my steel

>>31988462
velocity fucks up the steel, 5.56x45 wins

>MUH STEEL COAR

>>31988658
20% more energy, twice as deep

Kys

>>31988700
I didn't invent physics. I just observe them.

Slow projectiles with small mass are clearly better penetrators than fast projectiles with more mass

physics are for nerds

Why are we arguing about which caliber penetrates steel better if none of them really penetrate steel well in the first place?

5.45 does do pretty well on hard materials it can actually penetrate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=547BKysByqM

>>31981503
It's just that rare

Is west central Ohio lad around?

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>>31989952

New thread

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>>31989986

>>31989986

>>31983891
Sorry about the delay, was out of town. :^)