Century RAS-47 any good? Just want a decent range AK. AK General.

It's shit.

Get a WASR or N-PAP.

>>31975331
no, it's not good.
Go with the WASR

>>31975333
Hail trips. Can anyone elaborate?

>>31975387
the RAS-47 isn't good. It's made poorly.
The WASRs and N-PAPs are around the same price and, while not perfect, are made robustly and wont break after a thousand rounds.
The WASR looks more like a traditional AK.

>>31975387
I've heard that some of the RAS-47's have issues with accepting standard mags. Some modification to the "mag well". Also I've read that they have shitty heat treat QC which leads to rapidly worn parts. I've never owned one, but I did shoot one that seemed fine. I just got an Arsenal 107. Buy once cry once. DDI makes good stuff too.

It's funny because the WASR used to be the equivalent of what the RAS47 is on the market.


WASR or NPAP is the way to go:


WASR

>not as good finish
>Romanian
>will take all standard AKM parts
>goes bang when you put the trigger


NPAP

>a little heavier
>but because they're insanely overbuilt and tough
>did I say overbuilt?
>great finish
>wood stock sucks, cheek weld too damn high, will need to be replaced or carved down
>Can only use Yugo AK parts, but these are becoming more and more available
>overbuilt and sturdy
>no classic "AK rattle" because the clearances are so tight
I have both. I'd vote NPAP and replace the stock.

>>31975331
No, it's made out of aids.

>>31975387
Shitty manufacturing.
Besides many general durability issues (parts breaking sporadically as you shoot it, sights chipping for seemingly no reason, furniture cracking), the trunnion has exploded on a few guns.

Spend a little more to get a WASR or Yugo, avoid anything that Century builds on their own from the ground up.

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>>31975462
>It's funny because the WASR used to be the equivalent of what the RAS47 is on the market.
Partially because they weren't all that well made to begin with, and Century was really bad at modifying them for import.

Since then, the manufacture of the gun has improved, and Century has become adequate at modifying it for import.

Both the WASR and the PAP are pretty decent.

I'd vote replacing the furniture on both, either giving it new wood, something nicer than what you get out of the box, or getting something more modern, like a nice folder (something with a steady lockup and nice cheekweld) then some Hogue furniture. Plastic mags are nice for cutting weight, Tapcos are surprisingly passable, but Bulgarian surplus mags and MagPul mags will be nicer overall.

>>31975462
They finally got their heads out of their asses. N-PAPs now ship with non-retarded warsaw style stocks.

They still aren't compatable with non-yugo furniture, but they are better.

>>31975331
it has a cast trunion, so no its shit

>>31975331
No. You could've just posted this in /akg/ or done a cursory google search and found that. Get a WASR and fuck off.

>>31975610

Oh fuck off. I browse /akg/ daily and it's just a bunch of tripfags posting the same images over and over while calling everyone else a poorfag for not owning an Arsenal.

You can fuck off.

>>31975331
Nope, garbage just above an IO. Go with an AMD 63/65 for less from Classics, WASRs or an NPAP/OPAP from Zastava.

>>31975610
although this is a dumb question i ask not dumb questions in AKG and never get a response

>>31975508

Ace stock is gangster, got one on my SAR-1.

>>31975462
N-PAPs are not built any heavier than a standard AKM
the O-PAP had the thick receiver and bulged trunion

>>31975415
>wasr looks like a more traditional ak
>doesnt even have dimples
hahaha fuck you.

>>31975462
I swear WASRs used to be under $500 about two years ago.

>>31977522
more like 4 or 5

>>31977551
Nah man, I haven't been hasguns that long. I remember considering a WASR for my first gun because it was cheaper than an entry-level AR at the time.

>>31977568
entry level ARs were also more expensive

>>31977551
>>31977568
This is showing ~$500 sometime after June '14, which is about when I started looking at my options.
I checked Century's site a week or so ago and they're over 750.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/11/29/ak-47-rifle-price-drops-is-this-gun-a-good-investm.aspx

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>Thread full of /k/ommandos who've never touched this rifle
>All knowledge of this rifle comes from YouTube
>Muhh Arsenal

Okay so I bought one of these March last year as a fun to fuck with rifle, and I've been really impressed by it. I just hit my 2,500 round mark with it and the thing is a beast. Shoots dead on at 115 yards, which is the furthest range I can find near me, it eats everything I feed it with only a handful of malfunctions since I've bought the damn thing.

I'm never really sure where the criticism comes from. Most people source AK operators and their test but the rifle still passed. Everyone bitches about muhh trunnion and whatever but I've had literally no problems. I've been told it's due to Century's poor quality control, so some rifles are great and other are trash, which is very possible.

Century is doing a good thing by trying to bring in a market for American AK's, and hating on them is just a meme and a shitty one at that.

The RAS is fine, but if you want a rifle that has a better chance of having better quality, the WASR or C39v2 could be your rifle. Also with Trump elected and possibly removing the sanctions between Russia and us, AK's could begin to food the market at really good prices, so it might be better to wait.

>>31975667
hesrightyouknow.jpg

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>>31975667
Yep, sounds about right

Will /ak/s go down in price if Trump removes the russian arms sanctions?

>>31978649
>still passed
nigga the front sight post snapped and the stock cracked so badly it had to be fastened with duct tape.

>>31979411
Front sight post

Stock

Both easily replaceable and non-internal

>>31975387

Look up AK union century ras review

>>31980087
lol please stop. This is literally the only thing anyone ever cites when they hate on the RAS. an anecdote is not evidence that that RAS sucks, kill yourself.

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>>31975785
Looks good on a Galil, looks good on any AK or AKM.

>>31975331
No it's metallurgy is fucking garbage. No one should be buying any AKs right now, wait for the prices to come back down to reality. Get a WASR when they are <$600 in a few months.

>>31975462
>NPAP
>>a little heavier
>>but because they're insanely overbuilt and tough
>>did I say overbuilt?

No, literally everything you just stated is false.

>>31979655
Yeah you can use that logic with all the other parts but for all the cost you might as well buy a better rifle to begin with and save time and money.

>>31975331
WASR and N-PAPs are better. The price is inflated at the moment because of the Hillary panic, but their prices should deflate now that Trump's headed to the White House.

>>31980282
What are you smoking? WASRS cost less than the RAS-47

>>31980305

He said it was inflated, not more than an RAS you fucking retard.

>>31980326
He is implying WASRs and NPAPs cost more than RAS. Which is false. You can buy a WASR for 600.

>>31980378

He said they would be cheaper soon.

>>31980445
which is why he is wrong. They havent been below 600 since sandyhooker. what makes you think they will drop lower now? All that has changed is that we know they wont be banned for a while. They are still only being imported in small amounts and far between.

>>31980305
>>31980378
The only place I could find WASRs in the $600 was Prepper's Gun Shop, which had them at $629 but out of stock. RASes are so shitty their price hasn't inflated, so right now they look cheaper at most online gun stores.

>>31980556
Here you go faggot, $629 with free shipping, they have 30+ in stock.

https://www.tombstonetactical.com/catalog/century-arms/ri1805-n-wasr-10-ak-47-rifle-762x39mm-16.5in-30rd-wood/

>>31980542
I never said below $600 I said AROUND $600.

>>31980603
in which case they already cost that, which is less than RAS.

>>31975462
>wood stock sucks, cheek weld too damn high
>on an AK

How? Every AK I've ever held had a very low cheek weld. My Arsenal is so low, that when I make a proper cheek weld, my right eye is looking at the stock.

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>>31978649
>Okay so I bought one of these March last year as a fun to fuck with rifle, and I've been really impressed by it. I just hit my 2,500 round mark with it and the thing is a beast.
>2,500
>a lot
AKs aren't even broken in until ~1000 rounds in friend

>I'm never really sure where the criticism comes from. Most people source AK operators and their test but the rifle still passed.
>closed on a no-go gauge
>literally unsafe to operate
>shot itself apart
>passed

>>31975331
The C-39 is pretty good. I got one, decently accurate (for an AK) plus milled reciever makes it a bit more solid.

>>31980783
>Most people source AK operators and their test but the rifle still passed.
I'll give a rats ass if you can cite one more RAS 47 that failed like that.
>pro tip, you cant, out of over 20000 rifles only 16 have been returned to the factory for warranty work.

>>31980712
It's a Zastava M70, which is pretty different from an AKM. I don't want to get into the history of relations between Yugoslavia and the USSR but suffice to say that M70s have different ergos than AKMs and the NPAP has different ergos than surplus M70s.

That said, new NPAPs come with a stock now that is almost identical to a Warsaw-pact AKM. The old ones were REALLY bad.

>>31981002
And how many have had more than 2000 rounds through them?

Your 2500 round safequeen is not impressive and I'd bet almost none of those rifles have been run hard enough because people who buy RAS-47s aren't using their guns enough for the lazy corner-cutting to matter.

If you think there's no difference in the build quality of a RAS-47 and an AK built on assembly lines designed to mass-produce AKs for combloc militaries you're either lying or you've never handled an AK other than your Century-made trash.

Aren't current npaps kind of shit

>>31981095
No. Late 2014-early 2015 Zastava QC nosedived and there's at least one spotty batch of NPAPs out there (I own one of those btw and the issues are pretty minor) but current production are g2g.

>>31981083
You ar still defending a sample size of literally 1. Find one more person who had similar issues with a RAS. You honestly believe only AKoperatorfaggot has surpassed 5k rounds out of 20000 rifles?

Kill yourself.

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>>31975667
>/akg/
>bunch of tripfags
There's 3, and 2 of them are usually pretty helpful.

You must be thinking about /arg/.

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>>31975331
Enjoy your broken bolt carrier and headspace tgat walks out after 5k rounds.

Buy a WASR, fag.

>>31977432
WASR looks more like an AK when compared to N-PAP you mouth breather.
no dimples on the WASR, but it does have the correct length hand guards and the right profile stock and the right style dust cover.

>>31981251
..Because anyone was defending NPAPs and their faggoty assed furniture.

Bulgarian, Polish, and East German are the best buys right now.

>>31981238
>>POS47
>>POS
>>47

>>31981273
There are also some Hungarian ones out there that are good too. I'm thinking DDI

>>31981238
>still citing AKOperatorfaggot
Yawn, all you losers have never even held one, the words of one 'youtube star' are irrelevant.

>>31981238
I thought that was real and started reading the features, totally got me

>>31977432
>arsenal autist gets mad at the lack of mag dimples which don't do shit

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>>31980712

New Warsaw Pact stock on the top, old M70 (NPAP) stock on the bottom.

Learn to Google, you fucking mong.

>>31981351
>poor people literally try and delude themselves into believing they matter

>>31981379
What? I just said the dimples don't matter dumbass

>poor

Oh right you're a mentally retarded arsenalfag who paid more for a name

>>31981422
Or I built a polish kit myself. No shitty rivets either, its welded.

>>31978649
>>31978759
Would like to know also. Guess we have to wait and see.

>>31981134
this
current prodution N-PAP is gtg except for shit wood
so just replace the wood later once it breaks

>>31981251
this
N-PAP doesn't even look like a Yugo AKM since it doesn't have the bulged trunion or grenade sight

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What do you guys think of the Draco? I've been looking around and it seems like a pretty good value. Buds has them for $560 with the arm brace, and since it's a pistol it doesn't have to deal with 922r. I believe it's 100% European. Thoughts?

>>31975331
No. Just wait and pray that papa trump opens up imports from russia. Buy a Tula. As god intended.

>>31980783
Never said it was a lot dumbass. Rifle was still functional.

>shot itself apart
>literally still in tact and operational

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>>31981083
Fag thinks less than 16 of all the rifles sold have been shot passed 2000 rounds

>>31981170
>This

>>31982100
If you absolutely positively must have an AK pistol that you can not reasonably sbr without heavily modifying the receiver, then go for it.

As a warning I must tell you that after a week of owning an AK pistol you will wish you just bought a full-size rifle with a folding stock.

t.former m92 pap owner.

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The RAS cast parts including the bolt and carrier, so they wear out much faster than any other ak. Pic related.

>>31982399
sooo... you've never taken a material sciences class, have you?

Don't listen to any of these kids OP. None of them have even actually fucked with one.

Mine was a tack driver right out of the box. Ten times better than my wasr. Hit 3,500 rounds flawlessly. All the bitching and moaning about it doesn't even compare to the issues that you can end up if you buy a pos wasr. Anyone that says otherwise can have fuckin fun with the expensive ass arsenal with canted sights and toilet wood wasr's.

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>an actual, unironic RAS IDF
I've seen it all, this board needs to be fucking nuked.

>>31982511
>still citing AKoperatorfaggot
You literally cant name a single example of someone else having these issues.

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>>31982522
Whatever you rampaging poverty nigger.

newbie here

ive been looking at the c39 v2. Good idea?

>>31982558
Whats it like not having a degree in a stem field, you ignorant fool?

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>>31982584
Cry more, poorfag.

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>>31982441
Agreed

>>31982590
Cry more denialist squatting slav

>>31982573
They're passable. See if you can find one used for a little less.

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>the RAS-47 is perfectly fine
>bolt starts getting peened and worn to shit after less than 300 rounds
http://www.akfiles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=243569&page=2

>>31982415
ok, yes, casting can be perfectly fine or even better than milled or forged parts for many applications
but the AKM was designed to use forged parts in the bolt, bolt carrier, and front trunion
using a casting for these parts results in an inferior product because the dimensions of all the parts are designed for forging

>>31982616
Yet if you take one of their casting, all of the dimensions are in spec. Assuming they heat treat properly, there is nothing wrong with cast parts.

>>31982631
>Assuming they heat treat properly,
They don't.
>>31982606
>>31982590

>>31982631
I'm not suggesting the dimensions are out of spec or even that the heat treat is done improperly
forging aligns grains in ways that, if the part and forging process is properly designed, results in a stronger part
even if it's properly hardened, a cast AKM bolt/whatever will not have this advantageous grain structure

>>31982636
...and once again your sample size is 1. out of 20000 rifles. Come back with at least 20-30 examples.

>>31982573
c39v2 owner here. Id say its a gamble if you do buy one. Ive literally only shot 115 or so rounds through it and one of the locking lugs on the bolt is chipping pretty bad. From my research it seems you either get a shitty one, like myself, or you get lucky and get a good one. At this point i would probably recommend a WASR or an arsenal if you can afford it.

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>>31982654
Those are three separate accounts so far, but I'm sure you'll do all manner of mental gymnastics to justify your deplorable spending habits and sub-par purchasing acumen. A damn shame, but a lesson you have to learn for yourself I'm afraid. Here's a fourth.

>>31982688
Numero Cinco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_1003550325&feature=iv&src_vid=wrooihIcMHM&v=t7AWa7-W3OI

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>>31975477
Holy shit, "spend a little more to get a WASR," this truly is the best AND the worst of all possible timelines, goddam.

>>31982688
So you have 3 out of 20000. Once again, that is virtually irrelevant.

Also, I don't even own one, AKs are for faggots, only ARs are worth owning.

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>>31982713
Seis, 15 rounds made this.

>>31982740
And just like the Glock gen 3 side markings, it will never progress and stay the same

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>>31982606
This is my I.O.
I really like it, but I showed them this photo and they said it is a head space issue..

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>>31978649
>2,500 rounds
>only a handful of malfs

MFW

>>31982658
thank you

>>31975331
It's fine. Fuck these kids.

>>31978649
agree - I own one and it fires fine - decent shot groups too. Only had to adjust front site to lower the rounds for dead center.

>>31982631
>all of the dimensions are in spec
Doesn't fucking matter if the material isn't good enough.

Dimensions are in spec in cheap polymer AR15 lowers, because they're literally injection molded castings of proper aluminum ones, none of this means they don't break horribly on the regular.

You have to account for the material strength, and castings with sloppy heat-treatment is unfit for this.

>assuming they heat treat properly
Yeah, assuming they do, which they seemingly don't

>>31982715
Current WASRs are pretty ok.
With the Trump gravy train we might even see them down at $500 again if we're lucky.

Hell, we might see some import bans lifted.

>>31983205
>N-no! I didn't make a bad purchase, you're wrong :(