/thg/ Treadhead General

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>>31771192
OP: As always, feedback, suggestions wanted and appreciated.
Welcome back to a new thread everyone. I’m thinking of doing another “special” or rather “extended” thread soon, and I’ll probably run a poll of some sort, so keep an eye out for that.
Otherwise, regarding the Type 87, there’s really not too much to say about it. In what seems like a trend in my discussions of JGSDF equipment and experience, what their vehicles lack in combat history or in innovation as such, they make up for in being efficiently designed and capable tools for their specific roles. The modern Japanese military has a history of taking on technology from the west and incorporating it into their domestic designs, from the navy to the ground forces, and the Type 87 was no different as it stuck closely to the tried and tested value of Oerlikon’s 35 mm AA suite. What resulted, as we all know, was an impressive piece of modern battlefield equipment with a mix of indigenous and foreign componentry. Currently around 50 are in service, and will continue to be for the foreseeable future. If anyone has any interesting translated Japanese sources, I would be eager to know.
Finally, I would like some extra, or more obscure suggestions that I haven’t done yet. In the area of SPAAGs and other AA systems, there are always a peculiar bunch of prototypes that never made it to the production line.

Also, I found this on imgur recently, it’s an impressive overview of the equipment in PLA formations on a unit basis, and a partial look at its order of battle. https://imgur.com/a/wk2zo#LMS1lXX

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>>31771198
More tank news, as per the new format.
If you have more queries regarding a news story, just point it out, and I’ll further elaborate and provide links.

The Italian Centauro II was exhibited on the 19th of October at the Checchignola Army Range on the outskirts of Rome to a gathered crowed including the Deputy Chief of the Defence Staff Danilo Errico. The Army is reportedly intending to purchase 150 of the Centauros, a joint venture between Leonardo and Iveco.

The Turkish military and defense officials are currently contemplating whether to upgrade its vast fleet of M60 Pattons and Leopard 2 MBTs. Industry source state that the prospective upgrade of around 100 vehicles would cost Ankara nearly $2-3 million USD per vehicle, with the contract being likely forwarded to the Rheinmettal – BMC – Etika Strategi joint venture group RBSS.

The United States Army’s Combined Arms Centre is currently initiating revisions of the Army Field Manual 3-0, effectively the defining document on the fighting doctrine of the Army in unified operations. The new and updated doctrine will liely debut at AUSA next year, with profound implications for the future of the US Army.

NORINCO is expected to debut the export variant of its ZTQ light tank at the Zhuhai Air Show, designated the VT-5. Furthermore, a successor the ZBL-09 wheeled armoured fighting vehicle is also expected to be unveiled at Zhuhai, with a new chassis based on the VP-10.

The Ukrainian satellite manufacturer Yuzhnoye SDO is collaborating with Rheinmetall to develop a new air defense system with 35 mm autocannons. Based on the chassis of a wheeled APC, it will also equip the common Oerlikon Revolver 35 mm.

And that’s all for now.

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Did someone say JGSDF armor?

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>>31771240

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>>31771264

Why Japanese SPAAG?

Does Japan not trust American Air Dominance?

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>>31771282

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>>31771240
8x8s are boring
6x6 and smaller are cute!!

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The OP needs more links to resources for digging on info and learning, online books, PDFs, yadda tadda

>>31771366
I think OP should include the Dropbox link, and maybe something like a book review or "what I've been reading this week" type thing.
Doesn't necessarily have to be tanks, I really enjoyed the WWI threads.

>>31771366
No, that type of general is cancer.

>>31771472
>Information and references to help people get into tanks
>Bad
Retard alert.

>>31771517
>Encouraging the worst characteristics of generals in one of the few generals that does it right
>Good
Retard alert.

>>31771210
>The Turkish military and defense officials are currently contemplating whether to upgrade its vast fleet of M60 Pattons and Leopard 2 MBTs. Industry source state that the prospective upgrade of around 100 vehicles would cost Ankara nearly $2-3 million USD per vehicle, with the contract being likely forwarded to the Rheinmettal – BMC – Etika Strategi joint venture group RBSS.

100 Leopard 2's and 300 M60's what I read.

>>31771292
would you leave your countries air defense up to someone else? i wouldnt.

>>31771583
Sweet jesus, 300 modern day capable M60s is a lot of hitting power. Turks might be going Desert Storm into Iraq in a few years if ISIS is still around.

>>31771611
It would probably involved upgrading their Sabra Mk2 and additional M60's to Mk3.

>>31771599
Is that the IDF Eitan?

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>>31771979
yes

>>31771198
>Also, I found this on imgur recently, it’s an impressive overview of the equipment in PLA formations on a unit basis, and a partial look at its order of battle. https://imgur.com/a/wk2zo#LMS1lXX
Any more of these?

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A presentation on the Centauro II.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc7xmUGjVQ0

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>>31772262
Regrettably, no. I was hoping the poster had made previous submissions like that in the past, but it appears that's it. However, there may be more in the future.

>>31771210
>>31771583
>>31771611

Etika Strategi is a Malaysian company. Good to see my country's fawning over the counter-coup is paying off.
>$2-3 million USD per vehicle, with the contract being likely forwarded to the Rheinmettal – BMC – Etika Strategi joint venture group RBSS.

>>31772392
I can't read Italian either, but it's pretty obvious that the slide is talking about the communication systems.

>>31772639
What's the special thread you're thinking of doing?

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>>31771317
I never realised how long the MCV was until now.

>>31773474
I've been playing BF 1 so I kinda want a WWI tank thread.

>>31773873
odd, since bf1 has nothing to do with ww1

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>>31771240

JGSDF Armor, you say?

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>>31773984
t-that's lewd as fuck

>>31773984
Pics are from after the third impact. What's pouring out is actually the crew.

amerifants biggest fear is the olifant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0tcsKlZGCg

>>31773984
The good old suspension liquid period...

>>31773970
huh???

>>31774474
its true. call it bf1900 and you would have no problems with that fantasy setting

>>31774121
>america fearing ww2 tanks

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>>31771741

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>>31772875
Is this the proposed ukrainian Varan-30?

Not bad looking

>>31776477

Not really relevant to this thread. The LATV doesn't look so bad from the sides, though. Shame about the front.

>>31776762
I'm pretty sure that's an armored vehicle, so discussion of it is indeed welcome here.

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Indonesian Leopard 2A4 with upgrades.

>>31771357
But thats 4x4...

>>31777199
"And smaller"

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I really like the wiesel mini-tanks, they have a shitload of configerations, from air-defence to mobile mortar

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aa version

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>>31777771
>>31777777

>>31774319
Looks like ATF (automatic transmission fluid).

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>>31777771
Is that a newer Merk? The rounded cheek composite slabs look unfamiliar compared to the normal Merkava III Baz.

>>31773984
What the fuck am I watching here?

Newfag here
I have a few questions about modern Armor

What is the protection against modern shells and missiles on tanks?
How are modern AT shells and missiles designed to penetrate the armor?
Does angled armor still play a role in crew protection?
Can Reactive Armor damage the tank or injure crew?
What material is used to make modern armor?
Is a massive armor thickness still needed to protect the crew and modules?

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I FUCKING LOVE SPAA

>>31779269
1 of 2 things:
1: Tanks have(usually) automatic transmissions. These use ATF oil, which is colored red to seperate a leak from normal engine oil. Tanks also have plugs underneath to drain water/oil/shit from inside, so if these are open and you have leak, shit will flow out
2: Some tanks have adjustable suspension, usually using oil. So if that leaks out, it would also look like this.

My money is on it having a masse gearbox leak though.

>>31779175
Those rounded parts are radar for Trophy.

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>>31779289
Here is the basic for vehicle armor for something with wheels. The level 6 listed should be 3in. of RHA steel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STANAG_4569#Level_6.5B4.5D

Tank armor begins at the point beyond STANAG 4569 VI.

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>>31779974

>>31779905
Please yahweh, don't let this be a LAHAT tier meme round again.

>>31780252
Merkgunner can confirm but IIRC he has actually seen the it, unlike LAHAT.

>>31779289
>Can Reactive Armor damage the tank or injure crew?
>What material is used to make modern armor?

ERA is explosive force that is directed outwards, and as such should have no impact on the integrity of the armor it is placed on. It can, however, injure troops on the outside that are within 5-10 m of the brick, but it shouldn't injure any crew inside the tank as far as I know. The German Puma IFV has a system called Clara that is theoretically infantry-safe, as it uses a fibreglass reactive composition.

Modern armor is invariably made up of tempered and laminated steel, with some lighter vehicles making use of aluminum and fibreglass hulls.
Composite can range from anything to super-secret proprietary materials like nano-tubes or crystallized surfaces etc, to more mundane stuff like rubber, carbon fiber, ceramics, different types of metals, and so on. Apparently some spaced armor compartments use water and gels as well.

>>31773873
>>31773970
>>31774474
>>31774591
I want OP to fully call BF out on its shit.

>>31779641
Not that I know anything about tanks, but dont they normally just have automatic clutches rather than a full auto trans?

>>31779269
that little tank becoming a woman

>>31771192
>Germany was not alone in its belated replacement of M42 Dusters in its arsenal – the Japanese Ground Self-Defense Forces.
What did he mean by this?

>>31780876
>ERA is explosive force that is directed outwards, and as such should have no impact on the integrity of the armor it is placed on
um...how do they direct the force of the ERA explosion outwards only? the armor on which ERA is mounted has to be decently thick or else it will suffer damage

>>31782859
Heh, typos appear from time to time I guess.

>>31782868
>>31780876 here, that was a really shitty way of wording the post. You're absolutely right in saying the armor has to be sufficient to withstand the explosive force in the other direction, but what I meant was that the force (and the plate) in the other direction would be pushed outwards while the armor would have not problem dealing with the other direction of force.

>>31782000
From my experience working with the Leo 2 powerpacks, the info we got was that it was a fully automatic with manual backup, but we never went far into the gearbox so i might be talking out of my ass.

>>31782000
>>31783315
According to Allison, one of the most prominent western makers of AFV transmissions, they offer entirely automatic transmissions not just clutches, so I would conclude that a lot of tanks do have fully automatic transmissions.

Nice trips by the way.

>>31783315
Are you in the Bundeswehr or a KMW mechanic?

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>>31784030

>>31784030
>>31784039
Chinese interior police vehicle?

>>31784315
No. Japs one

>>31779584
I've seen some weird camos, but it genuinely puzzles me why the Germans would use that scheme, unless they were really invested in the whole Cheetah aesthetic.

>>31771555
>one of the few generals that does it right
Would you care to go into detail why? I dont have that much of a good understanding of what is a bad general and whats a good general.

>>31779584
When is SysFla going to be rolled out? It's been ages since I heard anything on it.

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>>31780252
>>31780529
APAM is probably the most common round in the IDF armored corp right now.

By the way, I'm going full civilian in 10 days. Get hype /thg/.

>>31784888
>full civilian
>get hype
But that means no more Merkava pics!

>>31784888
Have you seen any of >>31777771 lately?

>>31784888
Going civilian sucks brother, good luck.

>>31784960
I can upload some merkava pics i took back in my time if you want

>>31785076
We've had two IDF guys in /thg/ all this time?
Sure that would be great.

>>31781867
>on its shit
There isn't any.
It's a World War one themed/flavoured/inspired FPS.
If it promised ultra realism and historical accuracy then fine, crucify it, but it doesn't, so stop bitching.

As it is, it actually has some fairly obscure, real world period firearms in it, which is interesting.

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>>31785083
I've been a civilian since 2012, i don't visit /k/ often

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>>31785093
First time i upload those images any where btw so enjoy

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>>31785100

>>31785105
Why so many guns on the roof?

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>>31785105

>>31785093
Sweet, nice to have you in the thread.

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>>31785111
one for the loader, another one for the commander and a 50 cal for the gunner

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>>31785125
filthy mother fucking cannon

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>>31785127

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>>31785136
Taken from the driver's seat during a drill

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>>31785140

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>>31785151
The commander of this tank (on the left) managed to break a mine sweeper 5 minutes after installing it, it was the 2nd or the 3rd one he broke

Post some pics through optics and sights!

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>>31785159

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>>31785164
gonna finish with this engineering corps pile of shit

>>31784888
שחרור נעים גבר

>>31785159
? זה פרנקל הקצין

>>31785240
yep

>>31785093
Have you got any stories of interest? Maybe a rock thrown by a particularly strong kid that almost penned the front glacis?

>>31785440
Only been a part of one "serious" fight and a bunch of minor shoot outs that resulted in nothing

but basically
>intelligence notifies us that 2 arabs are going to cross the border from gaza to israel
>their plan is to invade one of the little cities near the border and create a hostage situation
>snipers have been dispatched to the anticipated area in the border where theyre anticipated to cross
>they spot the 2 arabs, shoot one dead, other one gets away injured
>engineering corps, armored corps and infantry arrive at the scene
>its late so we wait till morning to cross the border and claim the body
>intelligence notifies us that there's a mobile phone on the body with phone numbers of some higher ups
>its morning, we prepare to cross the border
>120mm (i think) mortar shell hits the tank infront of mine, no serious damage
>2nd mortar shell hits my tank, only damages the equipment baskets at the rear of the tank, shrapnel hits a soldier behind our tank, light injuries
>more mortars start raining down, hitting jack shit
>infantry starts taking sniper fire as they unlock the gate at the border (no injures)
>we cross the border
>establish a front line while taking ak fire while the engineering corps claims the body
>tank commander gets shrapnel to his face from a sniper bullet that hit the turret (his door thingy was slightly open for better sight)
>shoot around a bit
>cross the border back

>>31783794
Did 5 years in Norway working Leo 2 and Cv90

>>31785042
I saw this picture before. I'm pretty sure it's just a tech demonstrator.

>>31785069
Eh, I'll be alright. It can't be too bad.

>>31785228
תודה!

>>31785752
>Eh, I'll be alright. It can't be too bad.
Famous last words there, buddy

Do Russian tanks use DU Sabots?

>>31789895
Yes, most common APFSDS round in Russian stocks is the Soviet-era BM-32, which is DU. The new round, BM-46 is also DU.

Export ammunition is mostly steel (BM-17 sold by Soviets) or steel and tungsten (BM-42 sold by Russia).

>>31790075
The round you refer to as BM46 is actually BM48, and by new you mean from the early 90's.

Russia's 'new round' is the BM59 and BM60, which are too long for old autoloaders and can only be used by the T-90A, T-72B3 and T-14.

>>31785479
So you've never fired the main gun in anger?

>>31789895
My autism force me to point out that the Sabot is made from aluminium/carbon fiber, and is not "the pointy thing that goes hella fast"

>>31785696
Have any neat stories from your time?

>>31779269
Dipshit lube monkey forgot to tighten the drain plug

>>31784539
maybe they are shipping it out to another NATO country for desert training...i know the german air force does that in california i think.

>>31784539
The system is called Gepard so a bunch of guys jusd had fun with a bucket of paint for the lulz

>>31779905
What are the submunitions? Shaped charges a la CBU-97?

I have to admit a tank-fired version of SFW makes me feel funny in my special places

>>31791235
I always thought they just painted vehicles they intended to show off like that because LOL LEOPARD

>>31791262
Given that you can choose to not eject them they are likely HE with enhanced fragmentation.

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Bump.

Strykers.

reeeeeeeeeee

>>31793022
Please enlighten us with your insights into the apparently myriad deficiencies of the Stryker. Or not, since there very few of them are valid.

>>31790616
I was a tank driver so..

>>31793734
the one I had in 2005 in Iraq was unreliable shit.

wasn't as good at being a CnC vehicle as my M1068.

they can't climb hills off road like a tracked vehicle.

>>31794635
tl:dr your opinion is dated and largely irrelevant

>>31794654
To elaborate, the DVH upgrades have addressed both the reliability, transmission and powerpack output.

>>31794199
Any real advantages to a 10x10 design?

>>31795029
Upper weight limit (weight per axle).

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>>31795117
>this just in from japan

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/10/bring-back-artillery-submunitions-russian-threat-too-great/
What does /thg/ think of this perspective that we lack submunitions in a future face off with Russia or China? I think it's pretty convincing, considering the success forces in Ukraine have had in thermobaric weapons and also with conventional artillery in places like Georgia and Chechnya. We might have been conditioned after Iraq 1 and 2 to reply too much on air delivered precision which won't be enough in a war where the skies are contested.

>>31795255
For the foreseeable future, in any engagement with either China or Russia, the US would dominate the skies. Barring some quantum leap in SAM tech, (and no, the S-400 is not a quantum leap), I don't see a situation where air-launched PGMs being impossibe to deliver exists.

>>31795343
But wouldn't it be better to hedge our bets and not lag behind the capabilities of Russia or China?

>>31795450
I agree, I think restrictions on cluster munitions and submunitions are a mistake. The civilian impact of duds is an issue, sure, but in a war scenario, the US needs to be prepared.

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>>31795255
I just want the US to make one of these:

>>31795255
It's not even about skies contested, its about the planes being busy and their runways being bombed, plus they are a cost inefficient way of delivering ordinance.

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>>31785083
Not even two desu

>>31796150
oh look its a 401 ass eater

>>31795620
tbf, the civilian impact was made a lot worse by indiscriminate use of "dum" types. The new sensor-fused stuff that becomes inert after the battery dies and so on have like a 99% non-dud rate

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bump

>>31795620
Keep in mind that the 99% reliability rate still allows the newer DPICM bomblets.

As it were the Alternative Warhead for GMLRS is more effective.

>>31800592
that shot really brings out how alike t-55 and t-62 look

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>>31771192
I've always wondered: are the main guns on armor such as the M728 Combat Engineering Vehicle effective against infantry/light armor on the open battlefield, or are they pretty much restricted to obliterating fortifications?

Also, does the US military/NATO operate any modern equivalents (in front line service), or are most CEVs unarmed nowadays?

>>31800652
Reminder that the roadwheel spacings are the main way to distinguish them, as well as their turret shapes.

>>31800813
Some carry MICLIC.

>>31800813

I think most CEVs these days are armed with M2s on the commander's hatch, but their job isn't to get involved in combat.

Any armament is pretty much just for defense and to check a tickbox on a requirements list.

>>31800883
no reminder needed, that's how i told them apart. but thanks

>>31771198
>https://imgur.com/a/wk2zo#LMS1lXX
I had no idea how the PLA unit designations worked before this, so thanks.

>>31801438
Just Googled what that is, holy shit that's cool.

>>31801477
Yeah, I know the M1 Abrams CEV variant is like that (along with most others around the globe). Any thoughts on why we don't see these multi-purpose breaching types any more?

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By the way, totally forgot to post this pic in the Gepard thread. Anti Air Leclerc evaluation prototype.

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>>31802563
Perhaps soon to follow in the footsteps of this beautiful machine?

>>31802563
Daily reminder France will never get this kind of beauty because of the Wheel Mafia.

I know the jews have those tanks with the fake turret, that shoot missiles out the back.

I was thinking about something like the Namer APC. 3 crew. rest of the space in the middle and rear is full of vertical launch tubes.

infrared sensors all around and a CROWS turret and laser designator. can also get targetign data from remote sources.

>>31784888
Cool, you gonna go to India, or travel through Thailand?

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>>31803607
>I know the jews have those tanks with the fake turret, that shoot missiles out the back.
You mean the Pereh in pic related.

>rear is full of vertical launch tubes.
...oh, it's you again.

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>>31803829
Look at how huge that thing is.

You could put dozens of anti armor and anti air missiles in it.

>>31803584
Yup. Fucking French man.

>>31803778
Holy shit, what is that? Why does it look so familiar...

>>31804077
South Korean K30 SPAAG.

>>31803584
Considering the low chance of seeing columns of Leclercs performing drive-by over the rear echelons of Soviet formations on their own, the need for organic close air defense is admitely pretty low today, and the wheel mafia doesn't have much to do with this (no matter how cool it is).

>>31779175
>Dat gun depression and armor slope tho

>>31804170
It only look like 6 - 8° depression

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>>31804219
depression is not necessary. the conscript crew will drive the front end off a cliff soon enough.

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>>31802563
wow the gepard turret makes the leclerc look tiny

>>31804922
If you want a better name for your photo, this tesbed was named "Mulet Système Complet"

>>31803790
> 9 km range
Not bad at all.

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>>31804922
I think the Marksman Leopard takes the cake.

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>>31806235
Chieftain best version.

>>31804003
What's the point of having one of these VLS tanks when there are theatre level AA, MLRS and artillery assets that can do the job with less complexity, armor and at a longer range?
Short range AT and AA vehicles already exist, mind you, without needing VLS tubes.

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Does anyone know what Frenchfag is doing these days?

>>31807207
vls means your missiles are all ready to fire, they are protected by your front/side armor, have more flexibility in what missiles you load, and can fire indirectly.

those short range AT/AA vehicles would be replaced by VLS carrying tanks.

>>31807483
But wouldn't dedicated AA or AT be more useful in the end, able to carry more missiles and be more plentiful?

>>31807470
I bet he's in the UAE doing "training" with Leclerc tankers that are heading across the border to do "friendly" exercises with the local Saudi neighbors, that somehow drifts into Yemeni territory.

>>31807783
Well no, because decentralization & flexibility is the way to go.

>>31808019
Fair enough. I can see where you're coming from, although I'm not personally taken with it. Any examples where the whole VLS thing has been made a reality?

>>31771210
Is the Centauro a better option than sticking with the Ariete?

>>31808282
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM501_Non-Line-of-Sight_Launch_System

>>31795255
I think that the lack of cluster munitions is a HUGE disadvantage. Cluster munitions are by far the best tool artillery has to take out armored vehicles. Cluster bombs dropped from aircraft are an incredibly good as well. The fact that we don't have them anymore is an insanely huge negative, one that needs to be fixed ASAP.

>>31809934
tactical nukes are more useful than cluster munitions
maybe we should bring those back too?

>>31809971
>tactical nukes
>useful
Not really, PGMs are about as effective according to the USAF.

>>31809934
What country are you from? If you are from the US, yes we do still have them.

>>31809971
They're completely different. Still, tactical use of nuclear weapons should never be completely out of the question, and are something one should consider, should the necessity arise.

>>31810107
They're getting rid of most CBUs and a huge portion of the DPICM stock at the very least.

>>31810149
>They're getting rid of most CBUs and a huge portion of the DPICM stock at the very least.

The only ones that have been disposed of are the ones past their shelf life.

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>>31771192
Now let's talk about the most superior SPAAG known to man...

>>31784888
So in 8 days you'll be a Civilian..

Do you get an IDF pension?

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>>31811722
Sure

>>31803829

Definitely not made to counter hordes of Egyptian abrams in the Sinaï :^)

>>31811722
Nice meme buddy.

Spoonfeed me pls

What is;
>the best wheeled IFV
>the best tracked IFV

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>>31812845
I can tell you my favorite wheeled IFV, which is the Patria AMV.

>>31812845
A lot of them is comparable today but Id say Patria AMV and CV9035 Mk III

>>31812145
Given when they were first made and when Egypt got Abrams, it wasn't.

>>31812845
Of vehicles in service?

The Namer and M1256.

>>31813396
>namer
>IFV

>>31813419
>my personal classification overrides the builder/user

>>31813580
I think that applies to you.

>>31813580
I can invent a microwave and call it a nuke if I want to. But that will not make it a nuke.

If its armed with anything less than a 20mm autocannon its not considered an IFV.

>>31813716
"No U" isn't an argument.

>>31813808
Having a 20mm or larger gun isn't the definition of an IFV.

>>31802563

R A R E

>>31813877
Correct, some other factors also has to be met.

>The Treaty on Conventional Armed Forces in Europe defines an infantry fighting vehicle as "an armoured combat vehicle which is designed and equipped primarily to transport a combat infantry squad, which is armed with an integral or organic cannon of at least 20 millimeters calibre and sometimes an antitank missile launcher."

>>31813906
Congrats, you evidenced that the users classification defines what an IFV is.

>>31813877
The Namer isn't called an IFV by the Israelis.

>>31813936
So there should be no universal definition of anything?

By that logic my microwave example applies to.

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post special snowflake tanks

>>31813967
Excellent strawman. The topic is your black and white personal classification, not whether there is a universal concert.

>>31814059
>concert

consensus

>>31814059
Its the generally accepted view of an IFV. Much like beeing able to heat things with microwaves is the generally accepted view of a microwave.

What the fuck is going on? The IDF explicitly calls the Namer an APC. There's no reason for argument you tards.

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>>31814025
The Soviets, I swear to god.

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>>31814025

That's not an IT-1, but what is it?

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>>31815053

Nevermind, I have answered the question for myself. It's Object 287, a T-64 variant like the IT-1 but with two BMP-1 guns as well.

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>>31812845
best tracked?

Stupid Sexy Puma

>>31814636
much vodka

>>31815204
I really want the Kurg to be exhibited more openly so we can figure out how it compares to the Puma.

Why does America have the ugliest AFV's :^(

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>>31815204
So..........what's this from again

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>>31816025
A Korean webcomic, the author usually sticks to aircraft.

>>31816211
>dat XB-70
where's F-104chan?

>>31816211
i wanna see the episode when B-1 gets upset that Tu-160 shows up to the party in the same clothes

>>31808005
This. Considering how rare are his appearances since this summer, i'd give my left ball he's with the 5th Cuirassier.

>>31817131
Though I myself wouldn't pretend to know what they're actually up with there besides showing their skills and the gear off to the usual buyers of frogtech.

>>31817131
>tfw the fact that he is in the UAE is supposed to be OPSEC

>>31817171
He never ever stated anything, though we have functional brains to make guesses.

>>31814636
Slavs are actually orks.

Looks like rumors of the UK buying Boxers will not go away.

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/britains-soft-spot-for-germanys-boxer-vehicle-raises-eyebrows-in-industry

>>31818023
Is Defense News bandwagoning off RT or is this an actual industry rumor?

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>>31785140
>>31785136
>>31785112
>>31784888
These are amazing Anon, always loved the IDF armor. And small arms for that matter. Cheers

>>31818023
>>31818310
The MoD is not helping things with not being transparent to all the other contractors.

>>31818650
Is there any context behind the image or your posting of it? Just curious.

>>31818023
This actually triggers me, since if this is true, the whole bidding process was just plain dishonesty covering some politician's ass. First the whole strike brigade bullshittery, now this, the UK's procurement and military organisation is fucked.

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>>31777771

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>>31807470

>>31820565
Merci Frenchfag

>>31820565
Thanks for posting it anon, I was looking to complete my thg memes folder.

>>31820565

Merci Frenchfag

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>>31820340
I remember that thread.

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>>31812845

>wheeled
Patria AMV with Lockheed WCSP Turret

>tracked
Puma

Hello /k/; I'm fine, just loads of work, it ain't easy being a platoon leader.
Obviously I would not disclose whether or not I'm overseas publicly on the internet.

>>31817162
We're in the UAE for several reasons, defense agreement, prepositionned forces for the whole region, cooperation with the Emiratis and other Gulf countries, and obviously we deploy the latest stuff to showcase it.

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ZTZ-96B with RWS

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>>31822735
>Not BAE Systems 35mm turret

>>31785100
Hnnngggg

>>31785125
What are the hanging chains for?

>>31803829
big. BIG!

The Merkava pics are pretty sweet thanks. Can't wait for the next time I'm in Israel!

http://www.janes.com/article/64957/qatar-takes-delivery-of-leopard-2a7-mbts

Qatar has recieved its first delivery of Leopard 2A7+

>>31823731
They're designed to counter RPGs.

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>soon

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>>31823517

I like em big. And I cannot lie.

>>31825150
Are we going to see them in Yemen now?

>>31825593
http://breakingdefense.com/2016/10/army-rolls-out-upgunned-stryker-30m-autocannon-vs-russians/

M1296 Dragoon

>>31826189
Qatar doesn't have troops in Yemen.

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>>31826654
>>31825593
https://twitter.com/SharkParsons/status/791660311321387009

>>31826901
> "Col. William Rockefeller could already see the vehicle as it would be used on similar cold, dreary days in Eastern Europe"
Like pottery.

>>31827933
Setting aside the vehicle is intended for the permanently stationed SBCT in Europe.

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>>31828245
M48 Merkava because why not?

Now, here's the question: Is this an M48 or a M60 hull?

>>31828260

I think the front has a little bit of a forward bulge to it, which is on the M48 hull front but not the M60 hull front (that one is straight across).

>>31828260
>Is this an M48 or a M60 hull?
neither

>>31828260
U L T R A L E W D

>>31826901
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvtYoh7ckDM

>>31829976
I am really excited, since it means that our European units have something to counter vehicles, and doesn't have to run away from BMPs.

>>31814636
yuo see Ivan, when your infantery support is drunk and is of shoting at you, is good to be able to kill them all quicking

>>31828260

Swiss Pz 68

Another M1A1M hit by ATGM:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsjWOx7wGSw

>>31831555
>another
>it's literally the same video that's been shown off the entire week

>>>/out/

>>31779289
I'm late to the thread
>Protection
Various types of armour. Good old fashioned composite armours. Spaced armour (a sheet of armour put a certain distance off from the main armour) works well against HEAT. Can be plates or caged armour, it creates standoff to trigger the HEAT fuse and makes the molten jet ineffective. There's reactive armour, small blocks that detonate when hit by a round. They're supposed to destroy or minimize damage done by a round. Find them all over Slav vehiclds. There's Active armour - which can be lasers that fuck up missile trackings, aerosols that trigger fuses, mini-projectiles that shoot out and destroy missiles.
>Shell types
Sabot which is purely kinetic force that drives through the armour.
HE that creates a massive fucking explosion to crumble armour and/or concuss the crew
HEAT fires a molten jet of liquid metal that will pierce through armour.
Tandem type warheads, where the first warhead will destroy armour, the second one finishes the job
>Angled armour
Worms well against AP/solis shot rounds like Sabot. Can richochet other rounds completely or cause the munition to glance off.
>Reactive armour
Explosion is outwards. No injury to crew but might scratch the paint, or a fragment from the resulting explosion might damage optics, lights, other shit.
>What makes up armour
Composites and compounds of super sekrit materials))). Kevlar, steel and other stuff.
>Massive armour required
There's so much armour you can use before you need stronger engine, stronger transmission, stronger electronics for the turret, etc and shit gets impractical.

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>>31831571
>molten jet of liquid meta

>>31822836
How long were you at Regiment for? I'm only halfway trade qualified, so I get to sit around until next summer. One day, some day I'll be doing the same job.

>>31831579
>superplastic jet
You got me senpai.

>>31833982
Is this some kind of haji MGS?

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>>31774005

http://breakingdefense.com/2016/10/army-atacms-missile-will-kill-ships-secdef-carter/

Attackems are going to get an anti-ship upgrade.

>>31835297
My dick cannot get any more erect.

>>31835297
>implying I don't already do that in Wargame

Ay
Anyone got some Webms of Kursk? Need some help
thanks in advance

>>31834902
It's a T-62 turret on a towed AAA platform.

Waste not I guess.

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>>31837097

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>>31836514
Not a webm, but kind of relevant

>>31837476

Any other images like this one?

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>>31837706
Found this from the same collection I think, but nothing else.

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>>31839541

>>31837476
>no Pz IV
I wonder why.

>>31771979
>>31772231
>>31771599
So Israel as no gorund assets with 20+mm autocannons ? Why ?

>>31773018
Lol malaysia.

>>31840899
The moment you start maneuvre warfare in Israel, you are already in Syria.
The enemy warrants no use of vulnerable ans expensive IFV's.

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>ctrl f "t-28"
Son I am disappoint.
It's sexy as fuck.

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>>31841247

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>>31841279
Look at that ass.
>Hnnnggg

>>31817762
t. amerigrunt with iq of 85

>>31842372
t. asshurt

>>31808677
The Centauro is designed for use in southern Italy where roads and landscape make the use of regular tanks difficult.
Practically the same reasoning as Japan with the MCV.

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>>31841247
T-28 is the Soviet medium
T28 is the American superheavy