Can we get an optics thread going? I've been reading hundreds

What range, budget(important), and intended use? Do you definitely want magnification?

>>31497727
Budget: $1200
Range: 0-250yds, emphasis on 0-10
Intended use: Home defense, range plinking, SHTFantasy peace of mind, maybe some classes since I just did an Appleseed found it a lot of fun (got Rifleman patched too)
Weight: going on a 6lb AR build so I would like to not add more than 16oz if possible
Magnification is not a MUST but is appreciated so long as it isn't hindering up-close use.
Always-on or motion-sensor illumination is more appreciated yet for home defense.
Special: I have astigmatism, all red dots and holographics are fuzzy/starbursting

Currently list, very open to other ideas:
- Leupold VXR Patrol (1.25-4x)
- ACOG TA-44SG (1.5x green circle-dot)
- ACOG TA-33HG (3x green horseshoe)
- Vortex Spitfire (1x prismatic)
- Trijicon Accupoint (1-4x fiber/tritium)

>>31497807
>SHTFantasy peace of mind
Not that anon but at least you're being honest with yourself.

>>31497807
red dot

>>31497850
I'm not Rambo. My first and foremost prep against a societal breakdown disaster is having passports for every family member and enough money on hand to buy a same-day plane ticket out of the country for each of us, and enough gas in each car at all times to get to the airport. Barring that I would be sitting tight if possible, or driving several states over to a longterm-stay hotel. It all depends on what exactly is going on, whether the dindus are restless or a train derails and leaking heavy toxic gas or the blizzard from hell or a civil war.

Most of those won't involve needing magnification on a rifle, in fact for the most likely occurrence of something that could fuck my world up--Cletus or Tyreese deciding to come on into my home--I would prefer to have none at all. But JUST IN CASE of that situation where I need to spot and id things a short ways out... it would be nice to have the option of magnification. And I'd like to keep training consistent instead of swapping out optics for different purposes. I hit the range as able and do dry fire but as said, I'm not Rambo, I need to make sure my training time is optimally used.

>>31497714
Jamal sees you trying to operate on your front porch

>>31497889
>Special: I have astigmatism, all red dots and holographics are fuzzy/starbursting
I wish I could, believe me. They're only useful at point-blank where the blur doesn't matter because precision doesn't (usually) matter.

Glasses and Lasik aren't on the table for me, the astigmatism doesn't hinder me outside of this so I won't wear the glasses (can't stand wearing sunglasses even) and won't risk the Lasik side-effects.

>>31497889
Found the illiterate.

>>31497913
I think that's out through a window actually.

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>>31497807
if your budget is 1200 you could probably even grab a vortex Razor, I nabbed mine for about 1200. 1-6x, 1x is beautiful on it and 6x makes ringing steel at 250 a piece of cake.

>>31497714
What's a good optic for a 10/22?

>>31498170
The weight is a killer for me with it. If I wasn't trying to keep things lightweight I'd be all over it, but it's over 1.5 pounds even before the mount. Oof. Other than that it looks amazing.

>>31498184
I like my Nikon P22

If you have that much money to burn get an ACOG.

>>31498294
Two of them are on my list! But I have reservations on account of them supposedly having a lot of trouble in low light conditions and close up (like one might expect to find in a home defense situation).

>>31498314
Go 1.5x magnification. And what low light issue? It has tritium illumination.

>>31497714

That nigger has a spherical weapon. Better end that dindu.

>>31498366
Tritium doesn't glow all that brightly, even the green hue which glows brighter than the rest can basically get washed out in dim light that isn't pitch black, and then you have a black etched reticle that can't be seen because it's too dim to make it out and too dim for fiber optic assistance to the brightness.

>>31498377
>ban assault basketballs
>it will reduce crime
>do it for the children

>>31498419
And my decision to.by an Aimpoint Comp M2 feels better every day.

>>31498577
Yeah, I'm a bit jealous of all you folks with normal eyes. Wish I could just get an Aimpoint Micro and call it a day.

>>31497807
aimpoint type red dot sight. get whatever brand is affordable

>>31498377
the ball is already in his hand. it's too late for OP, hes dead.

>>31498618
See >>31497807 and >>31497919
>Special: I have astigmatism, all red dots and holographics are fuzzy/starbursting

>>31498366
ACOGs don't do well looking into a bright place from a dark place, and they don't do so hot in certain levels of low lighting either.

>>31498618
>>31497889
>>>/k/ - kant read

>>31497807
accupoint

>>31498170
>build
>DD complete rifle
m8.

>>31498665
You guys do know that battery powered ACOGs and the accupower lineup exists???
?

>>31498866
battery powered acogs are trash

you dont really need the illumination anyways, its not like the reticle disappears

Who makes the best prism scope? ( that isnt acog)

>>31499148
You've only got like 3 options.
1. Vortex Spitfire
2. Burris AR-1X
3. Leupold something-or-another-that-was-discontinued

>>31499932
Er, and well there is Primary Arms. But I think they can safely be disregarded from any question of "who is best".

>>31498866
They only made the least useful ACOG (the 4x) into a battery powered version.

>>31498170
>someone else who likes DD furniture

I thought I was alone

>>31498186
Try the Leupold VX-6 1-6x then. Almost the same FOV, almost half the weight. The illumination isn't as good, and the good reticles are a little overly thick, but the glass and eye box/eye relief are similarly good. It has an auto-on motion sensor function too.

>>31500392
Hey, that looks like a pretty solid option, for another 2oz over the Leupold VX-R being able to zoom up to 6x and down to true 1x seems like a worthwhile trade. I'll look into it, thanks anon.

>>31497919
then use holographic sight

>>31500512
He literally just said that holographic sights aren't clear in that post you replied to. Holy shit this thread is making me depressed, how the hell can people be this bad at reading comprehension and still manage to use a computer? How are you so dumb?

>>31500556
Because people who don't own guns post on /k/.

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>>31500590
This.
>If only we had a way of vetting posters

>>31500625
>imagine a /k/ where instead of flags we had models of guns owned listed with each post
>imagine for this hypothetical that the ATF couldn't see it
>all the children and Brits would be hounded out and it would be glorious

>>31500625
or tripfagging could be a requirement on /k/

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>>31500650
>A /k/ where only firearm owner posters got attention
>Glorious?
FUCK YEAH IT WOULD BE!

>>31500655
Trips always seem to become holier than thou assholes. I like the idea of anonymous posting with a simple check mark and dick symbol to show weve posted a time-stamped pic of at least one gun.

>>31500650
>all the dumbfucks with 20 nuggets and 15 Hi-Points are suddenly gods of the board

>>31500556
>not realizing the joke

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ACOG
C
O
G

>>31500556
Fine, fine.

Get a shortdot scope.

>>31500655
Whoa now if I wanted that I could go to arfcom

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TA33HG here; it's pretty great.

>>31500811
How is it for indoor use, evening use, and night use?

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Viper PST 2.5-10x32 FFP Here. Only 18 ounces but the illuminated reticle at 2.5x makes a VERY GOOD red Dot and the eye relief is fantastic. Downside $750 dollars but it makes my AR a 800 Yard Gun with 77gr TMK's.

>>31500940
>Only 18 ounces
With or without the mount? I'm putting it on a lightweight AR build.

>>31501082
With out. I put a Burris PEPR and its another 8 Ounces but the combo never looses it's zero.

Just got

https://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/1248/

for my recent pistol build. I have severe astigmatism and this sight rocks. I also like that it takes common AAA batteries and that even if I have no batteries I still have a reticle. They run out of stock combo pretty quick but their QD mount is solid as hell and the price with the mount is what most places charge for the optic alone.

>>31501429
How is the battery life? Does it have any auto-off or auto-on features so that a guy can leave it on a setting useful for a bump in the night?

>>31501529
Per the mfg site:

" Typical battery life is 250 hours at maximum brightness and 3,000 hours at minimum brightness setting."

It has an auto shut off at 12 hrs. All you have to do to turn it on at the last brightness setting is push either button so even if you left it off at night you could get it on pretty damn quick.

>>31501598
So which of those settings do you need in a dark house?

>>31501623
The two lowest settings are supposedly for use with night vision, but the second lowest is visible to the naked eye in pitch blackness. I leave it on the third lowest because my house isn't pitch black everywhere due to street lights.

>>31501671
Thanks, that's good to know. So basically if I turned it on each night before bed I'd get realistically 2 months between battery changes.

...Not an ideal setup but I suppose I could live with that.

>>31501736
I also have a white light on my gun so that even if the illumination fails I can just fire up the light. but like I said it takes a second to turn on the illumination so it's not a huge deal either way.

>>31501736
or if you buy this >>31501125 and leave it on the 6th setting it will be ready for low-light, naked-eye, 24/7, for two years. you don't need the first 5 settings unless you have NVGs.

>>31501775
What part of "I have astigmatism so red dots look like fucking starbursts" don't you get? Might not be an issue if all you ever do with it is shoot at 25yds, but it's nice to be able to reach out farther with some precision even at 1x when needed.

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>>31497714
I've got a Hawke Optics Sidewinder 6-24x56 mil dot on my custom 20" AR. Probably overkill but a buddy is a dealer and sold it to me at his cost of $300, retail is $530 last I checked. Has 5 brightness levels of red and green illumination and the focus adjustment knob acts as an approximate rangefinder which is nice.

>>31501775
And it will be a fuzzy star to my eye. Believe me I wish I could.

>>31501763
I like to minimize Murphy. It's enough steps while sleepy to sling up, slap the bolt release, and flick the safety. The more steps I add the more Murphy can poke his nose into my business.

>>31501822
I keep a round chambered safety on but I live alone so I don't have to worry about kids or anything.

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That reticule tho

>>31501866
For me it's that I use top-quality ammo that even on sale is 1.5-2x as expensive as normal brass. My home defense rifle is also my range rifle so I don't want to be either burning up my supply of good ammo or be rechambering it repeatedly every time I go shoot or do some dryfire.

>>31500841
It's good for all three of those uses; though tritium will never substitute having a flashlight or night vision.

>>31501909
Can you use it WITH night vision or is the tritium too bright?

>>31501906
I worried about that at first to, but I haven't had any measurable bullet setback in my HD ammo from multiple re-chamberings like some see in their CCW pistols.

I use Federal HSTs in my G19 for CCW and they don't seem to suffer setback either.

I used to measure my frequently chambered rounds often but after a while it became apparent I wasn't having an issue during the 12 months before I cycled in new ammo anyway.

>>31502004
>I worried about that at first to, but I haven't had any measurable bullet setback in my HD ammo from multiple re-chamberings like some see in their CCW pistols.
Well shoot in that case I guess I can relax. That's just with your handgun, or also with an AR? I remember reading something about the AR being particularly forceful with chambering a new round but I couldn't tell you where I saw that.

>Federal HSTs in my G19 for CCW
My carry brother.

>>31500698
>>31500776
>we should have a way to specifically ID posters, with some sort of ID by the post
>fuck tripfags tho
lmao

>>31502043
There's a difference between "oh that guy is confirmed hasguns" and "oh it's [random tripshit501]

>>31498497
it has already started in MA & CA

>>31502027
In my AR as well. What I'd do if I were you is to measure an unchambered round from the same lot as the one you will be rechambering and then remeasure the chambered round periodically to see how your particular round/gun combo behaves over time.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/1458630852/rcbs-dial-caliper-6

>>31502088
Sure, I've been meaning to pick up a set of calipers anyways, thanks a ton for the heads up. Will be really nice to take one step out of my rifle's get-ready process.

>>31502081
What

>>31502081
Banning Basketball Americans? Do tell.

>>31502394
>>31502451

I fucked, I didnt read the basketball part, although that would just make things worse. they need to all be deported. america isnt the melting pot of the world

Steiner makes a great 3x and 5x prism scope . With either 556 or 308 BDC for about $500

>>31497902
dont you need a visa for every other country first ?

>>31502563
Nope, there's a lot of countries where we have travel agreements requiring no visa at all as far as visiting. If things are going truly tits up, I'll go there and then claim refugee status. It helps that the wife is foreign and while her home country wouldn't be optimal if the US is severely screwed up, it IS an option for her to sponsor me there. I do also have a visa for China that's good for another 3 years, as much as they gouge us to get it (other countries pay like $30, we pay over $250).

The big thing is having the passport, without it nobody is letting you into their country.

>>31497714
With the requirements you mention, eotech with a magnifier is what I'd suggest.

ACOGs are the tits, but 0-250 there's no point.

>>31502657
>sigh

EOTechs are fuzzy and unclear to use.

As far as the basic concept goes though, I've tried a friend's Primary Arms micro dot and magnifier before and found it to be a lot of extra weight for really bad quality of magnification compared to other options.

>>31497807
Dont get the spitfire 1x. Its good for what its worth (came free with my upper). If you want a spitfire get a 3x. The 1x makes thing look (surprisingly) farther away

>>31502719
How is the 3x at spitting distances? Since prismatics don't let you cowitness irons, this actually is really important to me.

>>31502719
That hasn't been my experience with the 1x. It is true that this is a prismatic sight and not a red dot so its not true 1x. It's more like 1.01x. If anything you will notice a barely perceptiple magnification at super close range. Out past 5-7yds it is effectively 1x. You might have improperly adjusted the reticle focus if you're seeing anything funky like things looking farther away.

And I don't care about co-witness with my irons because if the illumination fails the reticle still works and if the whole optic falls to pieces it's on a QD mount and off the gun in a few seconds.

>>31502743
Should have added this to my last post...no sweat if you do decide to go 3x...BINDON AIMING CONCEPT lol

https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/company/unique_to_trijicon.php

>>31502890
If a guy is doing BAC why not use the superb ACOG glass that makes it so worthwhile?

>>31502077
it would produce literally the same shit

>>31503365
OP has ACOG on his list of potentials...

>>31503482
That's what I mean. Why bother with the Spitfire 3x when the ACOG's glass is going to be top-tier?

>>31502088
>>31502004
Dude that's some good shit to know.

>>31497889
>>31498618
>>31500512
>>31501775
This is fucking embarrassing you guys.

>>31498866
>suggesting garbage

Anyone used anything by DI Optical?

Been looking at the FC1.

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>>31504995
Oops, meant to post this with that.

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Are they kill? Aimpoints dot seems too small and I'm cross eye dominant Eotech seems easier to see.

>>31505055
Have you tried a single dot optic, or is that just from checking online? Just curious, because personally the smallness of an Aimpoint or other single-dot red dot never has posed me a problem.

EOTechs come with a host of other problems but no they are still sold.

>>31505134
I looked at the T1 at my LGS
>EOTechs come with a host of other problems but no they are still sold.
Is there anything else similar I can check out? If they're offering full rebates if theres issues I may take the gamble on one if there isn't many alternatives

>>31505183
Okay, just as long as you've seen it firsthand.

Vortex Spitfire and Burris AR-1X are both 1x red-dot type optics that have a lot more stuff to their reticle. 3 rings for the Spitfire and a big ring with ranging info in it for the AR-1X. Both are way cheaper than the EOTechs.

There are some other alternatives too like ACOGs but those are expensive.

>>31505255
I have. I'd like to see an Eotech first hand to be able to really compare, the pics i've seen of them online, seems a lot bigger than what I saw from the T1 in person. Thanks for the list of alternatives, anon. And an ACOG is on the list just way further down the road,

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Viper HS 4-16x44. Smoked a coyote at 375 yards and another at 300 with 53gr V-Max.Good enough for me.

>>31505824
Which rail is that?

>have c93
>seems like only optic that looks right on it is the Ziess/hensoldt scope
>cant find them for less than 700 bucks

>>31505971
ALG Defense V1 M-LOK 13"

>>31506808
Oh cool, I thought that one looked familiar--it's the one I've got slated to go on the AR I'm researching parts for. How do you like it?

>>31506962
>>31506808
>>31505824
And while I'm at it, what rail covers are those? They look comfy.

>>31506983
Love the rail. The barrel nut wrench that comes with it is slick. Covers are Strike Industries V2 M-LOK snap-in covers. Very low profile and comfortable.

>>31507210
Thanks a lot, I'll have to pick some of those up to go with it then!

Really nice looking rifle, man.

>>31500811
Is it just the way you're taking the picture, or does the optic housing vs display size really that bad?

>>31501813
>human
>covenant
>flood
I like it!

>>31507245
Thanks man. Yeah those covers are nice. They come in 5 packs and are like $7 or $8 bucks.

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>>31504995
>FC1
Have one on hand, going to test it this weekend.

>>31507305
DUDE. Would you post a writeup somewhere? I'm really interested in picking one up but there's like no reviews out there about them.

>>31507341
I'll probably post about it in /akg/ a little bit. If someone brings it up again I definitely will.

You're making me want to revive my worklog/blog thing. Gotta find a new host.

>>31501813
I need that lower

Has anyone owned the Primary Arms 2.5x or 3x. If so can you state any pros/cons to it?

>>31507373
Thanks for letting me know where to look for it man.

Thanks for the advice so far /k/.

I've got my list revised thanks to this thread. In no order:

- ACOG TA-44SG (1.5x green circle-dot)
- ACOG TA-33HG (3x green horseshoe)
- Vortex Spitfire (1x prismatic)
- DI Optics FC1 (1x prismatic)

It's really going to depend on if occluded eye is worth a darn for either ACOG.

>>31498170
>6x makes ringing steel at 250 a piece of cake.
Ringing steel with irons at 250 is a piece of cake

>>31508858
This.

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Anyone use the Primary Arms 2.5X Compact with the ACSS reticle? Looking at it because:
> poor
> doesn't need batteries
> ready to attach to carry handle
> Is $200
> multi-range calibrated

Really i just need something to help me pop groundhogs and yotes at 100 yards - 300 yards (rarely). That fits on a carry handle, doesn't break the bank and doesn't break easy. And that i can shoot up close while I wear a plate carrier and pretend im an operator.

>>31501125
did you deep fry that weapon?

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I bought pic related for probalby too much.
Schmidt & Bender Klassik 3-12x50 WITH some kind of rail directly on the scope, preventing usage of normal rings. Now I have to get a 200-300€ mount for it.

Anyone know just how old these are? Mine has "West Germany" writen on it, but that just means it was made before 1990.
Any downsides to old optics?

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Zeiss #60 reticle best reticle

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>>31510523
I'm curious about this as well.

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Does anyone have hands on time with the Burris AR-332? If so thoughts, pros/cons?

>>31510523
>ACSS reticle

The reticle that is SO sex, that even Trijicon licensed it for their ACOGs.

>>31510957
That reticle is also really nice looking. Reminds me of a video game reticle in a good way.

>>31511005
Slightly different but same general concept.

>>31511035
http://www.guns.com/2015/08/03/trijicon-and-primary-arms-give-the-acog-the-acss-treatment-video/

>>31511011

It does the only review cons I've been able to find say it is kind of small to see. There is a retired SF guy near me that does course that recommends it. I don't know if he gets paid to say that so I figured i'd ask since this thread is up.

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>>31510761
>not using OG reticles and potato cameras

>>31511200
I find that for getting lots of reviews about things gun related, try googling the item in quotes along with either of the following:

>site:ar15.com
>site:m4carbine.net

So you'd put down
>"AR-332" site:m4carbine.net

You'll get a lot more hits that are relevant that way. If you want to then pare them down to more relevant stuff, toss in the word "review" somewhere, but sometimes you'll miss out on info that way too.

>>31510761
That red dot looks off center.

>>31507305
What is the difference between the fc1 and the eg1?

>>31511251

I've read those site reviews. Spent a Saturday going through both sites a few weeks ago. Not on their forums as a member.

Thanks for the input though.

>>31511493
If it makes you feel better, I was trying to find info about the Burris AR-1X and there is JACK SHIT out there about it.

>>31511543

I believe you man optic reviews are shit online. This ar-1x looks nice.

I have a a2 style upper so limited options.

If it makes you feel better your wpnsys is probably nicer than mine.

>>31511637
>If it makes you feel better your wpnsys is probably nicer than mine.
I have a PSA carbine with FSB and a PA micro red dot. Don't be so sure about that!

You know what though, it's enough to get the job done if I do my part. My weakest link is still me.

>>31511704

Kek right on man

bushmaster xm15 e2s

>>31511742
above me

It isn't the gun that does the work it is the man behind the gun. Just practice. You can do it anon. You can do it.

>>31511704
>>31511742
>>31511759
No kidding. Who would you rather have at your back? Your choice of Jerry Miculek or Hickok45 armed with a stock High Point Carbine loaded with steelcased FMJ, or a random tripfag in /arg/ with their decked out $3500 AR-15 loaded with top-shelf BTJHP?

If the eotech is 'fuzzy', and you need magnification below 250 yards, maybe you should skip the optic and see an optometrist.

>>31511835
I can shoot with irons to 300yds no problem, to 400yds less well but doable. Just because I can get hits out to there doesn't mean I can identify what I'm hitting.

An optometrist would give glasses/contacts that I wouldn't wear since astigmatism isn't affecting me in my day to day life, or suggest Lasik that comes with a whole bunch of side effects. Better I just buy a useful optic that does what I need it to.

>>31511801

PatMac he would probably choke me out to take my bushie for its old aesthetic look I'd wake up tto him cooking up some random animal he nailed in the firefight I missed telling me "evac is on the way".

idk much about the other two tripfags are cancer

>>31511259
Just me struggling to aling my fuckhuge phone's camera with the scope.

>>31510608
S&B

Good quality, that company.

Downsides to old optics are that newer ones will be using newer techniques to make better glass.

>>31511637
>I believe you man optic reviews are shit online
Depends, some companies like Vortex send their shit for T&E to a bunch of people so you get a lot of youtubers reviewing it.

Other people like DI Optical tell NOBODY.

>>31511005
Only for the 4x version though, which annoys me because I'd totally pick up a 3x with it.

>>31512390
Yeah the coatings companies use nowadays are really cool stuff.

>>31507250
I tried out that exact scope mounted on a 5.45 AK, it was nice. The glass was crystal clear and looks much nicer in person.

Hey guys, looking for a decent red dot and absolute cowitness mount for my first ar, i have 800 but I'd like to avoid spending it all if possible. Any suggestions? Also, are "reflex" type sights any good?

>>31514775
/Aimpoint PRO

>>31497714
Steiner makes a good prism 3x or 5x scopes that are about half the price of acogs

>>31514804
Where's a good place to pick one up?

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>>31507250
No, it's just him. He took the pic with the camera extremely close to the optic.

The TA33's claim to fame is "long" eye relief. You should be shooting through it with your head as far away as possible.

Here, have a comparison between TA33 and Aimpoint PRO at the same distance from camera. Without the RMR on top, outside the tube is very open, BUT, the field of view through the tube is somewhat restricted compared to the 4x ACOGs.

Anyone have experience with the leupold lco or deltapoint reflex?

>>31514893
slickguns.com and search for it. Or primaryarms.com

>>31514893
Scheels probably has them in stock.

>>31517390
>>31518121
Do they come with mounts by chance?

>>31518599
Oftentimes yes, but it depends on the exact offer. I can't answer that unless you post a specific link.

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O B Z O R

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>>31519478
But what is it actually DOING?

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Sold the MRO and PA 1-6.

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>>31520308
Being ugly and not using batteries

>>31520512
I have the chance to get an unused MRO for about $100. I've seen reviews saying positive things about it. Should I get it?

>>31521814
Nope. Dont wastr your time

So maybe I'm just retarded but at 25 yards I'm shooting 2 inches low and 1 inch right. My scope has 1/4" adjustment increments per 100 yards and has an arrow for Left and arrow for UP.

How many clicks and in what direction do I adjust to get on target at 100 yards?

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>>31519478
I want this so bad, but the only place I can find them online is atlantic firearms, and they've been sold out for almost 2 months now.

>>31498170
>all that DD furniture, especially the handguard

I'm fucking rock hard rn