/barg/ - Bolt Action Rifle General

>>30960353
>I like the tikka t3 but I'd prefer something with a wooden stock if I can get it, reliably getting a hold of a good mauser action surplus rifle is becoming difficult in my area.
Suggestions?

I stopped reading there

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>>30960410

Well good thing it was the last sentence then m8

>I stopped reading there
ISRT

>>30960353
>I like the tikka t3 but I'd prefer something with a wooden stock if I can get it, reliably getting a hold of a good mauser action
The Tikka T3 is a modernized Mauser action and comes in several wooden stock variants. Git gud.

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>>30960419
Thanks, didn't see any on the couple of websites I checked

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.308 vs .270?
the .308 is $50 more, primarily going to be hunting deer, occasional boar/hog, goat or paper.

>>30960419
Interesting the Finns would use Mauser when they were experienced with the Mosin

>>30961387
You'll make that cost up within half a dozen boxes if you buy ammo in bulk. .308 is cheap.

>>30960410
It's pretty easy to get a wood stock made, or make it yourself if you are handy. The tikka t3 has an aluminum beading block too, so you would want to rebed it anyway

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Just got this bad boy the other day. Zeroed it and ready to see how far 6.5 creedmoor can go

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>>30960353
Tikka makes a pretty alright rifle.

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I really wanna git good with common rifle rounds at respectable distances. Does anyone have a good source of information on the art of the boltgun? I've reason to believe that a good R700 can go a long way with proper optics and ammunition.

http://www.eurooptic.com/tikka-t3-rifles.aspx

EuroOptic is doing a liquidation of all their T3 rifles

Most going for 499.95
just bought myself a Hunter T3 .308 for $575 shipped

It's happening boys, about to order an Aimpoint Accupoint 3-9X40 green triangle reticle to slap on it

>>30962610
Nice hexnugget.

>>30962627
>good
>R700

>>30960353
I'm pretty much you except my optic budget is smaller and it isn't my first rifle. My deer gun now is a 30-30 which is really nice, but I want something with a bit more range.

Noob question can someone explain to me why bolt actions are generally more accurate than semi auto DMRs?

>>30962841
theoretically it's because there are fewer moving parts, but that's a common misconception.

A decent AR with a 20" barrel and a good trigger will be equally accurate as a 20" barrel .223 bolt-gun in the same shooter's hands.

>>30962841
It's all about accuracy at a certain price point. A sub-MOA bolt action rifle is a hell of a lot cheaper than a sub-MOA semi auto rifle. Even the $5000 SVDs people jerk off about are 1.75MOA at best, but a $500 Tikka is guaranteed 1MOA out the door.

>>30962671
ZERO
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laminate stocks with left handed bolts. Life is suffering.

>>30963056
Being a lefty must be 100% awful

>>30963162
I'm ambidextrous in most things but writing, but left eye dominant. I look like a fucking retard trying to use a right handed bolt action rifle with irons. Either I shoot righty and miss everything, or I shoot lefty and have to juggle the damn rifle to cycle the bolt.

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>>30960353
Well, an older used R700 short action rebarreled (Douglass/Shilen/Hart) in cal .308 with a trued action would work for the casual target shooter and hunter. Barrel contour for target makes for a heavy to lug about hunter.

>>30962599
I think you need to raise your scope a little more...

>>30960353
I'm in the process of building a bolt action rifle, except not a neckbeard version like OP's.

AX AICS Chassis
Still haven't decided on a receiver, want to either accurize a R700, or get something beefy like a Surgeon or Defiance.
6.5 x 47
pac nor SS super match barrel, 24 inches. threaded muzzle, polygonal rifling
Huber 2 stage trigger 2#

Flame me plz

>>30963381
Tell me about it! That picture was taken right when I got the thing. It came with super highs for free, so I decided to throw them on to see how they fit. They were free, after all. Now I have lows and it fits much better

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>>30963596
>2 stage trigger
>polygonal rifling

Fucking why? Also, SS looks like complete shit but that's just my opinion

>>30960418
>tfw I missed out on a sportirized Kragen for 140 bucks ato my gun store a year ago

>>30963636
have you ever shot a crisp 2 stage on a bolt action? If so, you'd know why. You know EXACTLY when it's going to break... extremely predictable and repeatable...

polygonal just for something different... i still might do the 5 groove 1:8... but I kinda like the idea of the polygonal rifling..

I agree I don't like the look of SS, but it's not for looks after all...

>>30960353
Tika t3 in 7-08 or 308 is goi g to be bretty tough to beat for an accurate hunting rifle. Synthetic is better than wood btw, it's not nearly as pretty, but it's much more dimensionally stable and your poi t of impact wont shift with the weather.

Greetings.

Are there any bolt rifles that meet the following criteria?

Mauser action
20in barrel (chf preferred)
.308 caliber
10 round detachable box magazine
...
Left handed

Listen anon.

If your budget is under a thousand and you want a good bolt gun, there's only a couple ways to go.

Remington 700, Tikka T3, Savage 10 or 11. Basically anything in .308 Winchester.

This gives you a good starting gun and you can expand because these guns have huge aftermarket.

If you are getting a bolt gun don't get a 1-4 power scope. 3-9x minimum. This allows your to reliably reach out to 700-800 meters. And you can spend less than 1500 for both.

Do NOT skimp on rings. This will fuck you.

My setup though: Leupold Mark 8 3.5-25, LaRue 104 rings, Accuracy International AT.

>>30963596
I waffled back and forth on Rem 700 vs custom action. Just get the custom action. Plus, Surgeon is supposedly taking a while, whereas Defiance actions have a quick turn around and is dominating the pro competitions right now.

>>30961888
The Fins would use Sako or Tikka since they make them.

>>30962627
The R700 is the recommended starter gun by all my friends who shoot: Marine Corps scout snipers and SOF a sniper instructors. Namely the AAC SD. Huge aftermarket. Huge.

Then you can have it accursed when you want to move up. Get a new stock or chassis. New trigger by jewel or timney. Boom, .5 MOA gun to 1000 meters.

Savage is another. Tikka is a third.

The linchpin: good glass.

As for the art of the gun, this is free, there's 100 in depth parts, on YouTube. TibosaurusRex.

There's also a magpul video with Todd Hodnett, but there's a lot of corporate promo in it

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pwG-D0HjCBQ

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It's a S4 AP5 .75 Cal Diamond Tipped Automatic RPG Launcher, and the holy tool of the Adeptus Astartes

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WTB straight-pull bolt action rifle in 6.5CM that takes SR-25 or AICS magazines.

But of course, this is a niche that has gone unfilled for years.

The exception of course being absurdly expensive boutique euro rifles that use fucking ball bearings as locking lugs.

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Suppressed Mosin count at all???? New project gun on the way in.

>>30963862
if it's not for looks what is it for? The myth of less maintenance is, after all, a myth. Unless youre talking about blue, which is also a pain to maintain. As far as the trigger goes, a nice two stage is delicious and all, but an adjustable standard is ultimately better imo. Although provided the trigger is good, I think two or single stage comes down to personal preference and both are great. Just don't be one of those half wits that spends 6 grand on a setup then cheap out on a trigger group

>>30962599
how is the chassis? I've been thinking of getting one for my savage hog hunter

>>30965139
So far so good. I got it as a complete rifle but as far as the chassis goes I've found it to be very rigid and the stock adjustments give you plenty of play

>>30960419
You're wrong.

The Tikka t3 is a push feed. The Mauser m98 is a controlled round feed, whereas the M03 and M12 are push feed

The Sako 85 is a bit of a hybrid Mauser m98 bolt face, and the Winchester model 70 is copied from the Mauser m98

If anything, the Tikka t3 is closer to a Remington 700 than a Mauser m98

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Poorfag boltgun for a new shooter.

It's a fuck of a lot of fun to shoot.

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>>30965933
Ruger makes great rifles. I would also suggest a Howa for OP as an option.

I prefer box mag fed bolt rifles when I can get away with it, I just picked up pic related this evening. Going to pick some good glass for it, QD sling, and probably an Accu-Tac bipod.

>>30964923
>ball bearings as locking lugs
that's fucking terrifying. is the safety lug fuck huge at least?
>there is a safety lug isn't there anon?

>>30964106

Savage 10 FLCP-SR? Closest thing I could find.

>>30966102
My gun boner is confused by the RPR. On one hand, it is a $1700 bolt gun with no wood. On the other hand, I don't have a good bolt gun, and for under $3000 I could turn it into a supremely evil looking suppressed 6.5mm Creedmoor baby killing sniper murder rifle.

>>30966257
savage doesn't use Mauser actions

>>30964106
Ruger gunsight scout fits

>>30966976
I thought scouts were a meme

>>30967061
just take off the rear peep sight and move the rail to put a normal scope on it. the only thing wrong with scout rifles is the forward optic placement.

be sure to get the longer barrel version, it's about 19 inches plus muzzle device

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Just got one of those bipod adapters that attaches to the rifle with just one screw.

It works quite well with those Harris bipods.n

>>30967087
Oh I didnt realize the rail could be moved that easily, thanks anon.

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I'm not entirely satisfied with my Roedale RH50 F/T R bipod.
So I'm contemplating getting something else. An Atlas maybe?

>>30962627

Sorry for being an elitist prick, but Remington has horrendous quality control issues. And sadly not only on their entry level guns like the SPS Tactical (bolt handles falling off, being advertised as free floated while stocks touch the barrel when you put it on a bipod). I've heard of chipped chambers on 5R guns for fucks sake. That should be pretty fucking obvious in QC.

A Tikka T3, Howa 1500, Savage, etc would be a better start if you want to get into precision shooting. Some choices obviously limit your aftermarket, but most of them have a decent support structure behind them. Manners, KRG, etc have started to support many options.
RPR is also very decent to start off with, but might be hard to find cheaply in many locations.

>>30965106
huber makes one of the absolute best triggers for the R700....

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>>30967661
To me, you come off less like an elitist prick and more like a simpleton with good intentions. :)

The SPS line starting around $700 is not exactly what most people in the industry would refer to as entry level.

I'm sure a lot of bolt gunners on this form have seen my pictures get posted, but this is the only gun forum on the internet that constantly bashes on Remingtons. I get triggered easily, I guess.

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>>30969026
Here's some proof of Remingtons "Quality Control Issues" as of late.

They really need to get their shit together!

>>30969026
>rem shit would be good if it wasn't remshit.jpeg
seriously?

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>>30969038
Here's some FACTORY ammo. No snowflake hand loading trickery! BTW... the Remington Accutips are actually made by Hornady. They're match grade hunting bullets, and very very accurate. I'd put them in line with black hills or FGMM.

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>>30969060
forgot to mention they're also expensive...

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>>30969040
"This place is a special kind of stupid"

Thanks for making my point. Seriously.

>>30962841
>TL;DR version
Basically barrel harmonics

>>30966109
It's apparently pretty strong. Official tests put it at 110k psi, unofficial ones clocked 155k psi. The problem I have with it comes from the same thing plaguing all ball bearing systems: dust and grit.

It was apparently derived from some kind of locking joint used in the oil industry.

>>30969026
>I get triggered easily, I guess.
just like remingtons amirite?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oS_GDpZM3ak

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>>30969026
>more like a simpleton with good intentions. :)

Says the guy posting pics of cherry picked targets without indication of distance.

I didn't say R700 was inaccurate. I said they had plenty of lemons due to shoddy QC.

You have people whose bolt fall off because of shitty brazing.

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>>30969148

And you have people whose R770 pisses itself and spontaneously disassembles the magazine when fired.

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>>30969103
lol... if only there was actually a problem with the triggers and the libtards weren't grasping at straws just to attack one of the largest US firearms companies.

Don't take the libtard bait, bro.

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>>30969156

And you have "free floated" SPS Tacticals which are not free floating at all when rested on a bipod.
And you have chipped barrels making it through QC on R5 rifles.
And you have burrs left in the barrel.

Yes, Rem700 is the industry standard. But Remington has a fuckton of QC issues.

I find it pretty hilarious that you say we're the only negative "forum" towards remingtons, when actual remington forums have plenty of these complaints.

You'll also need to explain to me how a $700 SPS Tactical isn't entrylevel when it comes to precision shooting. Maybe it's because I'm euroPEON, but I don't quite understand that part.

>>30966109
>that's fucking terrifying. is the safety lug fuck huge at least?

The balls are pushed out & held in place by serious locking pieces. The bolt aint going nowhere.

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>>30967661
If you go with an atlas don't buy the spigot mount. I can never get the spigot tight enough and yet it feels stupid sloppy in the side to side movement. Either buy the underside pic rail or look here: http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/forums/5555-group-buys/14680849-custom-aiat-aw-ae-mki-ii-iii-aics-bipod-mount?s=541&page=2

These are worth, I have one and use it. I have a underside pic rail on my AT and prefer the bipod being out further and I don't have any side to side movement on the spigot area because you completely remove it. The install/removal is super easy as well if you need to send your rifle back in factory condition.

But in regards to the rest of your post I must agree with >>30969026 and say I have had nothing but success with the r700s whether it was a SPS in 223 or a 700p in 308 both have shot decently well. Both shoot sub moa, the 700p out of the box and my 223 sps was moved directly to a chassis, MDT LSS. I bought the 223 sps for around 600, no more than 650 and it has been fun to shoot. My 700p is what I learned to shoot on, and even though it is almost unsafe to shoot, I need to rebarrel, it can still print sub minute groups.

also, before anyone asks, I have changed the scope on that 223sps but even with that 1-4 bushy it would still shoot under an inch at 100m using AO 69smk match.

>>30969148
They were at 100 yards. Sorry thought that would have been obvious for an elitist shooter like you. :)

If you mean cherry picked by not posting all the .75-1moa groups from regular shitty factory ammo, then yeah you're right. You got me.

When you make the most rifles, if you have the EXACT same failure rates as everyone else, you're going to have more failures. The more failures... means more "ammo" for mouth breathing autists like nutnfancy to sperg over.

>>30969214
>european

Spotted your problem.

>>30969148
Why does the bolt body look like he took a dremel to it?

>>30969214
Can you call yourself european, I mean yall did vote brexit

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>>30969229
>If you go with an atlas don't buy the spigot mount. I can never get the spigot tight enough and yet it feels stupid sloppy in the side to side movement.

Isn't that the reason why the spigot mount has the screw top in it? To be able to tighten it to remove the sloppy play?
Also, do you have the V8? or the PSR V10? Because the latter was meant to remove certain play and cant.

As for Remingtons, again, I never said they shot bad. I said that many crappy examples make it through QC with defects which simply should not happen.
I've shot an SPS Tactical myself to great success at short and medium range, but I've also personally seen horrendous shit and have friends who totally got shafted by remington. Way too many to feel comfortable suggesting a Rem700 to anyone.

If you do get a Rem700, at least get it a gun shop where you know they stand behind their product and will fight for you. Don't get it at some box mover lowest price style store.

>>30969234
>When you make the most rifles, if you have the EXACT same failure rates as everyone else, you're going to have more failures.

It's about the type of failures. Not the fact something goes wrong. Most of the time the failures are obvious and should have been caught by QC.
It's not restricted to Rem700s obviously. Same thing with the Rem870 which was the shotgun gold standard. But there's plenty of complaints of 870's coming out of the box rusted to shit.

>>30969299
>Can you call yourself european, I mean yall did vote brexit

My AI AT might be English, but I'm not.

>>30969291
>Why does the bolt body look like he took a dremel to it?

Because that's not one piece. It's assembled and the rear part if part of the firing pin.
At least if you talk about the gap in the bolt body. If you're talking about the shoddy finish, well that's just Remington. :)

>>30969341
post some pictures from personal experience and not shit you grabbed off google.

Oh wait....

>>30969341
v8.1

But I've never personally come across an r700 that couldn't shoot. I'm not saying its impossible, but at the public range I go to in all of the years I've seen people shooting I've yet to come across one that couldn't .

I thought you were the british guy who would shoot with his brother, my bad.

And whether the bolt body is 1 piece or 85, I've never seen a bolt body with that 'jeweling'. It looks like someone took a normal bolt body and tried to smooth it out or fancy it up with their shitty dremel job.

>>30961907
>buying shitty bulk ammo for hunting
Yeah, no. If you want to save money, reload.

>>30962671
I have an accupoint and it's alright but the green kinda gets lost in the brush when you're hunting. I think it cost me $900 and really don't think I would pay it again.

>>30963596
If you're doing all that just get a custom action.

>>30967087
>longer barrel
Either one would be good. >20" barrels are a meme anyways.

>>30967661
>all this negativity
>i own mutiple rifles of different brands
>favorites are winchesters
>still own 4 r700s
>none have any of those problems
Idk what people are bitching about, but I guess.

People need to stop memeing with these huge ass spotting scopes they're strapping onto hunting rifles too. All you need is a x4 or x6 fixed in most situations. They're lighter and gather way more light due to less lenses not to mention they're cheaper.

If you're target shooting or prairie dogging or something, I can see that being viable. Otherwise you're wasting money a

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>>30969451
>post some pictures from personal experience and not shit you grabbed off google.
>Oh wait....

I don't own a Remington 700. And I pretty much never take pictures at the range, especially not of other people's issues. That's rubbing it in and sticking your nose into other people's misery. I go to the range to shoot, not take selfies.

That said, I do have experiences with weird failure ratios. Say for example the HK MR223 (MR556 in the USA). They have a good reputation here, but the first three MR223s I've seen here, all shit the bed. As did the first MR308 that I saw at the range. All four had severe stoppages. One of which had to be resolved by a gunsmith.

Since then, never seen an MR223 or MR308 fail. Ever.

So fine, maybe my Remington experiences are flukes, but I can only relate my own experiences and those of the people around me.

>>30969491
>And whether the bolt body is 1 piece or 85, I've never seen a bolt body with that 'jeweling'. It looks like someone took a normal bolt body and tried to smooth it out or fancy it up with their shitty dremel job.

Ah, you meant the left part. I just assume it's a home jeweling attempt on some shitty harbor freight drill press after watching Larry Potterfield do it.
Still shouldn't affect the brazing at all.

>>30964643
Howa 1500 also fits.

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>>30962928
I need to know more about this rifleplease

I want a new Mauser in [spoiler].308 Win or .30-06 Sprg[/spoiler] with a full walnut stock.

I wonder how much will this cost me, the Mauser brochures say prices are available on request. I don't wanna be that guy who just asks then leaves

>>30969693
new full walnut stock mauser m98 in .308 or .30-06 that also accepts stripper clips i mean

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I'm largely fine just shooting my Mosin, and to a lesser extent my M48.

Going to pick up a Tikka T3 Lite though. The price is very affordable, and Finland seems to produce great rifles.

>>30969738

Actual modern production from the company named Mauser? They mostly make boutique guns now. So for a basic version, think they start around 3000-3500 euros?

>>30969738
1903 Springfield is what you're looking for.

>>30969824
Yeah, the m98 guns produced in the current year. They look pretty shiny.


>>30969832
1903 is not the current year

>>30969858
The new production Mauser rifles are a complete waste of money. You would be better off getting a like new 1903.

>>30969883
1903 models are still produced in the current year? Didn't know that

>>30969919
http://www.gibbsrifle.com/index.html

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>>30969645
Winchester Model 70 Safari Express in .357 H&H
Leupold FX-II Ultralight 2.5x 20mm scope, on super low quick release rings
CDI bottom metal and AI .300 WM magazines
Sinclair Montana Sling

>>30969980
meant to say
>.375 H&H

>>30969980

Do you think the new model 70s are worth the money?

>>30969980
Is this yours? It's beautiful!

>>30969936
>a copy of a copy
baka
still might get one tho
and a new mauser as well, in the far future

>>30970004
it is, and thanks
>>30969998
fuck yes.
I mean, don't ever pay MSRP for anything on principle, but the bolt is the smoothest to cock and work of any rifle I've handled, it's got the same mauser style claw extractor and blade ejector action as the pre-64 rifles, and their new trigger design is absolutely incredible.

the only thing I wish they did differently was having iron sights as an option on all models, and not just the Safari Express and Alaskan.

>>30970073

Model 70's always had the reputation for being the smoothest bolts to cycle.

Biggest problem is that the aftermarket is not huge atm.

>>30969645
I want to like this, but I've been on /k/ long enough to know it's probably a trap.

>>30970073

If you had to choose between the .270 and .30-06 what would you choose for general long range target shooting?

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>>30970760
It's not, it's some instagram chick, xo_breanne_xo

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you guys think a steyr scout without a retarded scout scope is good?

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/k/, nogunz here

What is the pros and cons between the different barrels in the picture?

>>30970782
well my only other bolt gun is a sporterized M1903.
I like .30-06, there's a better variety of ammo and bullets, and cheap surplus too.
.270 is apparently flatter shooting, but I hear reloading-wise there are more 6.5mm bullets designed specifically for long range target shooting.
one other thing to note about .270 though, at least in my area it along with 12ga birdshot were the only ammo that was never out of stock in the months after Sandy Hook.

>>30962599
>super extra tall rings
Get a set of medium or low rings nigger

>>30960353
Thinking about getting a decent bolt gun.

Budget would be around $1200.

What's a good action and tacticool chassis?

>>30970831
Pros
>heavy barrels are stiffer and take longer to heat up
>longer barrels give marginally more velocity, extending the supersonic range of any given round and making corrections for wind drift marginally easier due to less wind drift at any given range compared to a shorter barrel
Cons
>heavy barrels are fucking heavy and take longer to cool down
>longer barrels are less mechanically accurate

Palma is a very specific form of competition that has very specific rules (namely, requires a 155gr Palma bullet and open sights). The long barrel found on Palma guns compared to, say, the M24 is a result of:
-not needing to carry the gun further than from your car to the firing line
-extra sight radius for your open sights
-extra muzzle velocity so you're having to make fewer corrections at the set distance of your targets

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>>30970889
Thanks.

I shall now post another one of my shitty drawings on here as a reward.

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>>30970820

For hunting? Maybe.
For target use? Meh, barrel too thin, heats up quickly.

If you want a Steyr that can shoot more than a few rounds before stringing, get an SSG.

I've been looking at getting the Sako 85 Hunter but I can't find the damn thing online or in store anywhere. Advice??

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>>30970831

Not that these barrel lengths are way overkill if your intended range is say 600m.

Be sure to tailor your barrel to your intended usage. A thick shorter barrel can often times be better than a longer thinner one when shooting intermediate ranges.

>>30971982
Sweet mother of recoil pads

What's that thing chambered in?

>>30965088
You're my hero anon

>>30961387
why no .300 win mag?

>>30970850
See
>>30963602

>>30972071
I want a round I can get other guns chambered in, I'm not hunting anything that requires .300 win mag and there isn't anything else that uses it really other than marksman and hunting rifles

>>30969573
>Ah, you meant the left part. I just assume it's a home jeweling attempt on some shitty harbor freight drill press after watching Larry Potterfield do it.Still shouldn't affect the brazing at all.

unless the bolt was overheated.

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Any objections /k/? Want to get these two to get into a bit of longer range hunting and paper punching. LA101 for plinking and small game and LA102 for anything bigger than a small Wallaby (Kanagroo, Emu, Deer, Pig etc.)

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>>30973056
>$1049 for a .22lr

>>30973071
>Straya
Yep.

Daily reminder that Remington 700s are fine guns.

>>30973056
at least get it in 22 mag or .17hmr if you are spending that much.

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>>30973129
The old ones, anyway.

>>30974955
Did you ever move to Austin?

Say no.

Planning to pick up a good long rifle at the orlando gunshow next week to add some variety to my range time.
Budget's around $1000 or so, got a few on my list:
R700
Tikka
Ruger Precision Rifle

Anything else I should be on the lookout for or avoid?

Are bolt action shotguns allowed?
I have a 20 & 12. Both from the 50s


But, I have the opportunity to buy another 20 and 12ga bolt action shotgun for $110. Yes?

>>30975229
Shit $110 is chump change if you want it and it's interesting enough go for it

>>30975134
Keep an eye out for SAKO as well, but look up further in the thread there's a website selling Tikka t3s for $500 on liquidation, eurooptic.com

>>30974955
Tell me, tripfag, what ails the R700 so these days.

>>30963205
This guy does it pretty smoothly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj1NyPvb1Lw

>>30969883
>complete waste of money
Found the tasteless poorfag retard.

>>30969824
>3000-3500 euros
$10k+ for a brand new mauser. They're among the finest hunting rifles made, period.

You don't buy one for a tacticool range rifle either, before someone starts sperging. You buy them because they're an heirloom to be used for what they were intended, whether that be a safari in africa or hunting grizzlies in alaska. The wood and steel used in them is second to none and the craftsmanship is a work of art. Same can be said for anything like a rigby, h&h, westley richards, or other bespoke rifle makers.

>b-b-but muh 1000 yard x56 magnification wildcat barrel burner!
If you want some .01 MOA autist bench rifle, there are better companies.

I've never seen a genuine rigby in person, probably never will. Doubt I'll ever see one of the classless faggots on here that might be able to afford it buy one either. They're all too busy building the same AR everyone else has or some other tax stamp horse shit they'll never even use.

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>>30971982
Thanks for the information.

You win the a e s t h e t i c version

>>30971982
Length and thickness give better harmonics and less whip. Extremely long barrels are memes for higher fps.

>>30962627
What chassis is that or is it a not like a r700 or savage 111/11 in a chassis

>>30962627
1. Buy rifle with factory <=1MOA guarantee.
2. Get good optic.
3. Practice.

So I want a rifle that can easily switch barrels to shoot .338 lapua or .300 win mag.
Should I get a FN ballista or an AXMC?

>>30976376
You should get two guns.

>>30971982
What did you do to that poor AWP!?

>>30976387
What advantage does that yield over one gun that can switch calibers with a barrel change?

>>30976439
Barrel changes can fuck with your zero a lot and .338 Lapua tells me you want to shoot long range.

>>30976457
Well, I cant argue with that. Seems to be a well known problem from what I've heard from other people.
There's also the price issue....
Suppose I wanted a Sako TRG42. That's $4000 less AND it looks like the AWP, which is nice because AI discontinued their AW line.

Alright fellow /k/ommandos. Lurked this board for years and years and have watched fads come and go. I just got a call from my lgs tonight about the ruger precision rifles they have in Stock. Great prices on them, right around 1200 put the door. Now, I have no .308 or 6.5 experience, my life has been firmly planted between .223 and .270 for most of my rifle life. They have 1 of each available, 18005 and 18008 skus. My question is this, which would you get, and why? I will use it for hunting amd target, but it is definitely not going to be my go to gun immediately for walking into my blind. I'm so torn on the caliber, I've seen pros and cons for each.

Tl;dr RPR in what caliber?

>>30976403
>AWP
Kill yourself. 2/10 for making me respond.

>>30976804
.308. It's a NATO standard caliber and is relatively cheap and plentiful. And in the post Sandy Vagina world, that's all that counts.

I just bought a rifle chambered in 25-06. Im looking to get into reloading more.

Any one have stories for a guy that mostly shoots .308?

>>30976804
6.5CM
>factory match ammo is the same price as factory .308 match ammo
>has about 300m further effective range than .308
>isn't a NATO spec caliber and isn't factory-chambered in any semi-auto mag-fed rifles, so is somewhat more panic-proof
>less recoil than .308
>better barrel life than .308
>generally as good as or better accuracy than .308 through the same platform (RPR vs. RPR, the 6.5 will shoot about 1/10th MOA tighter with the same brand of ammo)
>cheaper to reload (match ammo) than .308 due to less powder and cheaper bullets

>>30977187
Enjoy a comparatively short barrel life and low maximum range compared to .30-06 (due to crappy BC's in .257" bullets) with a round that while isn't severe on recoil is very abrupt and can still be unpleasant (especially with light-for-caliber bullets at max pressure).

One of the GOAT antelope and mule deer rounds though.

>>30977377
As an example of the difference in effective range:
>6.5CM, 142gr SMK, 24" barrel (approximately right for a "tactical" rifle)
Producing around 2800fps depending on powder used (2797 with CFE223). This gives it a max supersonic range of 1400 yards (1183fps@1400y).
>.308, 175gr TMK, 24" barrel (approximately right for a "tactical" rifle)
Producing around 2775 fps depending on powder (2776 with CFE223). This gives it a max supersonic range of 1200 yards (1186fps @1200y)

So, with significantly less powder (41.2gr vs. 47.8gr of same powder) it produces more MV (granted, with a lighter bullet) with a higher BC bullet (.611 vs. .530), giving it 200 yards further range.

Now. This was a quick hack-together, I did not spend any time searching for an "ideal" powder or load for MV in either caliber, and I stuck to bullets that I know can be loaded to mag length in AI .308 mags (following the idea of "tactical" rifles).

I am curious what I can do with Sierra's relatively new 6.5mm 130gr TMK or Nosler's 142gr Accubond-LR. I am relatively certain I can extend the supersonic range of 6.5CM to around 1600 yards without changing to a longer barrel.

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Recently became aware of the destroyer carbine.

Mauser action, but chambered in 9x23 Largo. It's beautiful, why did /k/ not tell me about this before?

>>30972673
>unless the bolt was overheated.

To overheat the bolt while jeweling it, would require retarded amounts of pressure and you'd have a deep indent into the bolt at that point. So nope.

>>30976403
>What did you do to that poor AWP!?

Stock pic, it's a 16". Which is plenty for medium to short range.

>>30976804

6.5CM unless you already have reloading supplies or match grade ammo for .308Win.

>>30978189

Because there is no ammo for them.

>>30963596
Consider the Timney Calvin Elite Two stage trigger as the Huber cannot be adjusted by the user if you want different pound trigger pull.

I'd reccomend the custom action if you can afford it, but make sure it has the same dimensions as the remington receiver so that you don't limit yourself an stock choice.

I have a 6.5x47 which is a great round. If you are considering long range then a 26 inch plus barrel would be the minimum. I use a 27" barrel and the velocity is subsonic around 1,300m. Good luck to ya!

>>30976134
>"Extremely long barrels are memes for higher fps"
>doesn't get higher fps = flatter trajectory = easier to shoot at different ranges
I guess it doesn't matter if you only shoot at paper an exact distance away from you.

>>30980488
The whip on a longer barrel actually lends itself to poorer accuracy, otherwise everyone would be slapping 40" barrels on their range guns.

More fps doesn't equal more accuracy either, not to mention you only pick up maybe 10-15 fps per barrel inch at most.

A 20" barrel is maybe 60-100 fps slower than a 26" barrel and will be lighter and more accurate. The only real benefit from the 26" is less muzzleblast and recoil but it's still a trivial amount in smaller calibers like .308.

You should research it some before trying to condescend to someone you don't know. You're going to get laughed at.

>>30980405
Thanks. What are your thoughts on the polygonal rifling? Meme? Should I stay with the tried and true 5 groove 1:8?

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on a flight to alaska right now with my belgian browning 300winmag checked in. the leupold scope that came with the rifle was damaged so i got a 4-14x56 svh with MOAR reticle to replace it. i love this setup

>>30982026
So you're saying a slower moving bullet doesn't have more time to be impacted by wind?

How exactly does that work?

>>30982718
The increased accuracy you gain from reduced barrel whip is far more noticeable than the decreased accuracy from wind drift when theres less than a 100fps difference. A bullet moving marginally faster isnt inherantly more accrate. A rigid barrel is.

>>30982909
>A bullet moving marginally faster isnt "inherantly" more "accrate." A rigid barrel is.
That's why they make barrels out of metal, anon.

>>30983119
Im not sure if youre making a joke or if youre an actual retard.

I bought a .300 win mag Savage 111 Long Range Hunter, but I'm having some buyer's remorse. First off, the aftermarket doesn't seem too great. Also, the .300 just doesn't seem like an economical or practical round. I don't really have any ranges near me to shoot it the way it deserves, and .300 is by no means cheap. I was thinking of selling it to get a Remi 700 so I'll have something in .308. Also, I really want to get an Accuracy International stock in the future. Would this be a good or bad move?

>>30983143
Says the man who can't spell "accurate" or use apostrophes.

>>30983250
>b-but you made a typo on a rhodesian rhinoplasty forum
Retarded. Gotcha.

>>30983332
>who cares that I can't spell a 4th grade vocab word, YOUR RETARD

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>>30983250
Not even him, but ...

>>30965088
BUBBA NO

>>30983439
Feel free to post proof of a heavy metal barrel "whipping" like a wet noodle.

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Are there any quality, modern bolt guns with iron sights?

>>30983735
I like this one >>30962928

>>30983735
Might as well put those prius low rolling resistance tires on your ferrari... seems legit.

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>>30960353
Alright goys, I bought a Howa 1500 with a Nikko Stirling scope and a bi-pod for 650, I'm in college right now and was wondering if i should sell it or accurize it and put it into a new chassis. I only want to sell it to give me more of an edge saving up for a new DSA SA58 Para, because election season is coming up and my rights aren't looking too protected in the near future. any advice?
pic related is what the rifle is

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Anyone ever seen one of those?

>>30983816
Keep the Howa. Buy a bunch of .308 and an AR-10 lower.

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Magpul PRS soon

>>30961387
.270 has a particularly nasty kick that makes .308 feel modest. It's not overwhelming but it won't be pleasant to shoot, at all.

>>30983513

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEBMlfhlxYg


Happens several times in this video.

Remember that as metal heats up it becomes more flexible. A hot barrel is more flexible and is affected by barrel whip much more dramatically than a cold barrel.

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>>30969079

i dont want to be a dick because he was killed in combat and he's sf + ranger but how the fuck do you make it to Captain and the god damn NDSM is your highest award?

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>>30984376
I don't think you understood what I said, I want to buy and FAL, not a ptr, not an AR-10

where's even the point of bolt guns?

>>30983197
It sounds like you bought it before doing any kind of research or forethought. But for your purposes a Remington 700 in .308 would be a pretty good way to go

>>30984776
It's a bit like the difference between fixed and variable magnification scopes.

If you pay the same amount for both, the fixed will have a clearer picture and sturdier construction than the variable.

>>30984776
You can shoot bullets out of them.

>>30962841

Fewer moving parts

>>30984776
Shoots better
Doesn't molest brass
Arguably more reliable

>>30984672
>starts after bullet leaves
>ends before brass is even out of the chamber of an autoloader
So completely irrelevant for any firearm you can own, especially since we're talking about bolt action. Go it.

>>30963205

I'm left handed and shoot right handed bolt gats as such;

>keep left hand on pistol grip but push it hard into shoulder so I'M holding rifle with one hand
>work da bolt with right hand
>shooting eye is still focused on target, not necessarily the front sight (I had a nugget and currently own a marlin xt 22 so I shoot with iron sights (
>close da bolt
>focus on front sight
>repeat

Or

>fire
>bring rifle to hip
>hold forearm with left hand and cycle da bolt with right hand while looking at target
>hold rifle with left hand to bring it up to left eye
>slide left hand toward trigger while simultaneously grabbing forearm with right hand
>fire

First technique works with the marlin because it's lighter and has no recoil


Second technique worked well with the nugget

>>30985052
You're retarded.

>>30984952
>Shoots better
If you only have $300 to spend on a gun, sure. If you plan on getting an AR anyways, just spend the extra money on it instead.
>Doesn't molest brass
Doesn't make a bit of difference to most people. Brass is easily malleable for the people it does.
>Arguably more reliable
You can just as easily cycle an AR manually if anything happens to your """unreliable""" gas system.

>>30985063
That second one is what I do with my nugget and it feels dumb.

>>30985052
Okay you're intentionally missing the point or just retarded.

The barrel whip isn't caused by the motion of the bullet through the barrel, it's caused by the explosion of the round in the chamber. The moment the round goes off and all of the energy is transferred to the brass of the case and then to the chamber, that energy begins to travel in all directions. While the bullet may not still be in the barrel when the most dramatic whipping effect is taking place it is in the barrel long enough to experience the explosion's effect on the barrel.

If I were to hold out a pool noodle and wave it up and down you would see that energy transferred to the entire noodle, yes? It's safe to assume, then, that the more the tip of the noodle shakes, the harder or faster I'm waving it. If the pool noodle was stiffer, the same amount of energy would make it flex less.

All barrels start about the same at cold temperatures but thinner barrels heat up faster than thicker ones and, so, are more flexible (Our limp pool noodle)

This energy affects the whole noodle, which includes the bullet the moment after the round is fired, since the bullet isn't like dropping a pebble down a well, it's in contact with the barrel until it leaves.

>>30985205
>explosions aren't supersonic
>bullets are
>magic noodle shockwave somehow effects barrel before bullet gets there
No.

>>30985302
At this point it's pretty obvious you have absolutely no clue what the fuck you are talking about.

Does Sako make the 85 hunter in a right handed version? I would think so but everywhere I've seen it, its always left handed.

Also how much of a difference will I see between 7mm rem mag, and 7mm-08?

>>30985302
http://www.stocks-rifle.com/harmonics.htm

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>>30985439
Muh rifles


Guess the models successfully or I vote for Hillary.

>>30985302
>implying the medium's density doesn't affect the speed of sound

>>30985585
You're bluffing.

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>>30985585
you're bluffing

>>30984776
There isn't any. That's why they represent a significant portion of the market and still see substantial use in militaries across the globe, retard

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Post your favorite fudd gun?

Just ordered a Trijicon 3-9x40 Accupoint with the red triangle optic($665 shipped) for my t3 .308 and my next AR build (Figured I can always rezero when I switch as I plan to mainly use this hunting or 3 gun)

suggestions for mounts? I'm thinking Larue QD

>>30985951
>>30985998
This is the accupoint you just ordered on leupold lows. I had to get some others later because the eye relief wasn't comfortable. Make sure it works for you, don't want to be having to lean into it too much.

>>30986052
Thanks, will do, appreciate the help.

I hate spending so much money on something like this but I'd rather buy one nice scope than spend less on something I end up feeling "meh" on.

How do you like yours for hunting?
Same reticle?

>>30973056
>>30973056
Yea, get something cheaper.
Cleaver have some Marlin XT-22's for 4 - $500, plus 10rnd mags for $60

Does a rifle exist with the following?
>6.5 CM
>Iron Sights
>Aftermarket

>>30984550
IMO you won't like it. You need the adapter to install the PRS without having it turn all over the place. The adapter adds too much LOP and forces your wrist to be out of a natural state. I'd look at one that uses a riser while being on a carbine buffer tube. you have these options:
http://cdn3.volusion.com/vasum.vqaxy/v/vspfiles/photos/ABAUSS-5.jpg
https://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/880x660/Primary/886/886169.jpg
http://www.missionfirsttactical.com/core/media/media.nl?id=444&c=4020115&h=ce277675e5d512278073

Or just keep your current setup which is what I'd do since I went back to that setup after being dissatisfied with the PRS setup. If you want to use a PRS stock look at MDT's other chassis options.

>>30985585
With that much wood you must already have a dick up your ass so you'll be voting for her anyways.

>>30986092
Mine is the mil-dot in green, not the triangle post.

I mentioned it earlier, but the main issue besides the relief was that the green doesn't contrast enough in the brush (mostly light green down here). It's a great scope, but I'll probably be switching to a fixed power for more comfortable eye relief and a brighter sight picture.

I paid $900 for mine, so I think you got a great deal. The glass quality is great and the windage adjustments are solid. If I had to do it over I would stick with amber and probably go with a non-mil cross hair. I don't use mine enough to justify the busy reticle.

Compared to some of my nicer zeiss or swaros, it's not quite there but it's good.

>>30976171
KRG Whiskey chassis

>>30985106
>Has a semi auto ever won an ibs title?
No

>The thing that automatically starts to move 15 parts before the bullets even left the barrel most be more accurate
Makes sense

>If anything happens
You mean when, I'd rather never have a click instead of a bang.

>There's a reason they're still upgrading the m24 despite the M110

>>30986248
What kind of iron's?
If you want match irons just have irons put on a factory rifle. Nothing fit my criteria for a bolt action heavy barrel .223 with diopters so I had a set installed on my xr100.

>>30986291
Whats it like only having injection molded poor fag guns?

What's a good plinking/ squirrel massacring bolt gun?

>>30986601
i just want something serviceable.

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>>30986821
You

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>>30986821
>>30987119
were

>>30987039
http://www.accuracyinternational.com/ax50-rifle-systems/

>>30975614
Those 10k USD ones are just the m98 rifles, right? Not the m03 and m12?
Also those meisterklasse rifles look real nice.

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>>30986821
>>30987119
>>30987157
saying?

>>30987105
Savage hog rifle is going to be your best bet.
Factory irons on something more substantial than a safari rifle are tough to find.

>>30987157
>>30987178
>two rifles and a wannabe helmet
try again m8.

>>30985439
People trying to sell rifles try to upsell you based off stupid Fudd science? No way!

>>30987262
>Physics
>Fudd science

>>30987225
yeah 10 large on the AI and 5 on the 17s, but the helmet photo wasn't for the helmet it was showcasing the injection molded housing for the pvs14.

2/10 bait

>>30987541

How's the AI shoot?

And does anyone have experience with Weatherby?

>>30987875
Weatherby's are almost exclusively dressed up hunting rifles offered in some of the most pointless snowflake rounds to have ever existed.
Unless you're a 45-80 year old man whos going on his guided hunt of a lifetime you'd be better served with many other companies.
>Savage
>Sako
>Kimber rifles

>>30987875
Weatherbies are pretty notorious for being clunky and having nasty felt recoil.

>>30962841
They can be truly free-floated. No pistons, gas blocks, or other stuff affecting its vibration.

An AR's "freefloated" barrel is closer to the real thing than, say, an AK with its piston, but that gas block and tube is still affecting how it vibrates in a slightly different way every shot because of the gasses being redirected from the barrel.

>>30987935
>>30987989

How about Browning and Winchester?

>>30988017
Model 70 is a classic

X-bolt is cool too

>>30969491
>but I've never personally come across an r700 that couldn't shoot.

I have. First one I ever owned.
>buy R700 Sendero SFII .300wm NIB
>everything looks good as I'm picking it up from transfer dealer
>go to put bolt in
>bolt will not fully go into battery
>I sit there tinkering with it, gunstore employee sweating bullets
>finally stick finger in action, front action screw is a solid 1/4" into bolt track
>"m-maybe they just overtorqued it a little...." from employee
>By a fucking quarter inch? On a $1200 rifle they advertise as "their most accurate rifle"?
>"...let me go get our gunsmith..."
>gunsmith comes out, disassembles gun
>The front action screw is about an eighth of an inch too long and they'd torqued it to ungodly levels and cracked the aluminum bedding block
>keep in mind this is a $1200 precision rifle with their much-touted 5R barrel
>they send it back, I get new one a week and some change later
>it appears to be GTG out of the box, everything works
>the X-mark Pro trigger, which supposedly adjusts from 3-5lbs, won't go below 6lbs 2oz and goes all the way up to 17lbs. But hey, there's no creep or overtravel!
>Shoot it bone-stock for a week, best group is 5" 3-shot with Hornady American Whitetail 150gr, most are 7"+ groups
>figure it's me and that god-awful trigger, buy a Timney, set Timney to 1.5lbs
>groups don't shrink any, buy several boxes of FGMM 175gr
>9" groups with FGMM, figure "oh wait it's a 1:10 barrel, lemme try the 190gr"
>6" groups with FGMM 190gr
>end up borrowing bore scope
>chatter, chatter everywhere
>giant fucking hole in one of the lands where their ultra-dull cutter tore through the land entirely, entire bore looks like it was finished with 40 grit sandpaper
>send it back (under warranty, MOA or better guarantee), get same gun with same barrel back 3 months later with a note that says "meets our accuracy standards" and a bill for $250
>call and complain, they agree to void the bill but say they won't replace the barrel

>>30970820
Depends entirely on your usage.

It's a little heavy for a hunting rifle if you're carrying it, the barrel's a lot too thin and the availability of mounts capable of doing 34/35mm tubes with 50mm+ objectives is a lot too nonexistent for it to be a target or tactical rifle.

>>30988017
Browning X-Bolt is awesome for a mountain rifle (dat ultra low bolt throw=low/UL lightweight scope mounts, driving total rifle weight even further down), and a decent varmint gun (fairly large capacity flush-fit detachable mags compared to other companies, and they're generally easier to swap than most--plus low bolt throw to clear fuckhuge varmint scopes without having to deal with chinweld or needing aftermarket cheekpiece).

A-Bolt III is a generally solid general purpose hunting rifle but tends to run at a premium compared to similar rifles from Tikka and Howa.

Model 70's are fucking awesome but extremely overpriced, you can get a CZ550 (which is only marginally overpriced) for a lot less and it's the same action and roughly the same quality barrel.

Winchester's XPR is actually pretty fucking nice for its price point. Winchester currently makes the absolute best (non-set) factory trigger for boltguns.

I need a target 22 to get ~moa with. Any recommendations

>>30988070
Jesus creeping Christ.

When the mighty fall, they fall hard.

>>30988275
>destitute tier
Savage MkII scoped combo (should run $175-200 depending on location and sales)
>poor tier
Save monies
>blue-collar tier
CZ 452 Trainer or Varmint
>middle-class tier
Save monies
>white collar tier
Anschutz anything

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>>30988070

k e k

Tikka CTR reporting

>>30988340
So I can get moa with a savage mk2

>>30988070
Wow, if I had your experience I'd prolly steer clear of 700s. What did you end up doing with yours, sell it or get it blueprinted and a new barrel spun on?

Also, did your dealer not do anything to help you out with the shit bag that remington left in your hands?

>>30987875
I'm not using the stock Lothar Walther bbl, but it shoots amazingly well. Barrel I'm currently using is a EO 1x10 26" Bartlein, which is supposedly chambered by Stuteville Precision. I'm not sure what the chamber dimensions are, but for factory ammo it can shoot Remington Premier 175SMKs extremely well. On great days sub .3" ctc, but most days are around .5-.6"

For handloaded ammo I've noticed it has a short throat so I'm getting a bit of a crunch when I load 208amaxs to speed (2.95 COAL seating .020 off lands). I can get those 208s out to 2600fps on an ave day (80*) with very minor pressure signs (very very slight primer flow). The pressure signs don't become really noticeable until I'm shooting that same load in 100 degree temps then I get noticeable primer flow, but that is it. Primer pockets still look good, no ejector swipes or anything, but I use RL17 so it has a large window before seeing serious pressure issues.
I'm able to shoot this ammo and get sub 2" groups at 300yds even on bad days. The recoil impulse even on this heavy rifle is noticeably different when shooting that load, but it's not terrible though.

>>30988310
I kept it for nearly a year as a lesson in "when nearly everyone in the local shooting community across 3 different disciplines tells you to avoid Remington, don't ignore them"

I ended up taking a summer gunsmithing class at MCC in NC, the focus of which was accurizing R700's, and while it's a damn good shooter *now* I found even more problems
>front of receiver was out of square by nearly 0.007"
>barrel shank was out of round (barrel was oval in shape), bore was not even remotely concentric to outside
>shoulder where action meets barrel was out of square by 0.004"
>less than 10% lug contact
>excessive headspace (would fully close on a no-go gauge with moderate effort, approximately 0.0085" headspace where max allowed is 0.007")
>rear action screw hole in the receiver tang was bored significantly crooked, no pillar-bedding for me (unfixable)
Ended up completely redoing the factory barrel. Reprofiled it, set it back a quarter inch and rechambered it, and recrowned it. Fully blueprinted and trued the action. Had to shim the bolt due to excess bolt slop. It's now a 1/4MOA gun with handload 208 Amax's and generally-better-than-half-MOA with FGMM 190's. It'll shoot American Whitetail into 3/4" groups.

>>30988393
Absolutely. They're every bit as accurate as the CZ, but much much uglier and clunkier. And the packaged scope is dogshit bad (Tasco), but you have a ready-to-shoot rifle capable of sub-MOA for under $200 OTD.

yugo 8mm mauser surplus ammo. is it corrosive?

I don't want to shoot corrosive through my k98. thing is pristine and has all the nazi markings. communists did a wonderful job refurbishing it and storing it.

>>30988412
Awesome

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>>30988275
Not >>30988275
but you can get ~moa with a savage mk2, with the right ammo of course. If you don't feel like spending dosh on the right ammo then it won't make any difference.

Pic related is a savage mk2 fvsr, and the 3 types of ammo used were Target, Club, and Match. I don't think I need to tell you which type shot the best.

>>30988395
See
>>30988404
but yeah, basically rebuilt every aspect of the rifle.

I have since purchased 2 other R700's, but both of them were manufactured in the early 90's. One of them isn't "right" but still shoots extremely well.
>buy 1993 manuf. R700 BDL in .243win
>it is chambered visibly crooked
>still shoots 1/2 MOA with handload 70gr SMK's
Only complaint about that rifle is it's short-throated and I can't shoot target bullets heavier than about 85gr, I end up cramming them into the lands. But it's okay, it's a hunting rifle through and through (22" lightweight/sporter barrel, turn-in mounts in 2-piece bases) and loves 85gr Gamekings.

>>30988460
I like savages. Ugly as fuck but good shooters. I love my model 11 scout. Any bolt guns I should try to get? I have a few milsurps, and a scout

>>30988460
fuck, meant to say

not >>30988340

is .416 Rigby good for whitetail deer?

>>30988498
Yus

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Who else /.243/ in here?

>>30988404
Good info anon. That sounds like a wonderful class.

Remington really screwed the pooch and it seems to me that they suffered from the corporate disease of bottom lines being more important than quality.

This is on reason why Ruger refuses to grow into a huge company.

It's a bummer when some big company makes a decent product for the most part, but then starts making garbage and they just coast on their name for years until people finally start realizing their rifle wasn't just an odd dud... it is a symptom of a company going bad. Yeah, you can pay $3k for a Remington and maybe it'll be put together better, but who wants to give them money when they are screwing the middle class consumer that hard.

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>>30988553
Yeah. I will buy stripped 40X actions for anything I want to build, and stick with Savage rifles (which can be trued up with R700 tooling, literally the only difference is floating bolt head) for any prebuilts from here on out.

Just in case anybody wants to call bullshit on Remington's advertisement about "most accurate rifle" here's a screenshot I just took from their website.
>https://www.remington.com/rifles/bolt-action/model-700/model-700-sendero-sf-ii
>Remington Sendero rifles are the most accurate we produce for over-the-counter sale.

>>30988480
Since it's a 93' how much life does the barrel have left?


>>30988489
If you're wanting a 22 I'd suggest getting a savage mk2 any variant since they are decent guns, or save up and get a cz455.

I figure my next 22lr with be a cz455, and I'll just go down that rabbit hole with getting a chassis and a lilja bbl for it.

Outside of their mk2 and a model 10PC, I don't have much experience with the savage line of rifles.

>>30988621
Fair amount, I picked it up at an estate sale and previous owner didn't shoot it much. I'd say the barrel's 85-90%. It's a hunting gun, and those typically have pretty low round counts.

Will definitely rebarrel it when the time's right though. The pre X-Mark Pro triggers were actually good, mine has no creep or overtravel, almost no takeup, and breaks at about 2lb3oz (which is fine for a hunting rifle).

>>30988663
Wow, that's a pretty nice buy then with that much life in the factory barrel. I don't shoot 243 but I know that they don't have a ton of life on their barrels, was just curious is all.

That trigger at just above 2lbs is imo a perfect target trigger too. I'm not one that likes to have super light triggers, but to each their own.

>>30988747
I used to shoot a lot of F/TR. I got used to/spoiled by 2oz Jewels so to me a 2lb trigger is pretty fucking heavy and anything over 3lbs is an affront to nature.

But I do realize that, of almost every aspect of a rifle, the trigger is the most influenced by personal preference and I don't give people shit about their choice in trigger
>except people who like 2-stage triggers, fuck those freaks

>>30988747
Oh, and on the "nice buy" part...I paid a fair price that might have tickled the high side of "good" but it's a gorgeous rifle.

I think I paid $775 for the BDL, Weaver turn-in bases, and a Leupold VX-2 3-9x40.

>>30988275
I can vouch for the CZ 452/455. I got a 455 trainer and it shot just over 1 moa out of the box. After finding its favourite food it was shooting moa consistently. They are really dam solid rifles and the best you can get short of 1k+ anshutz and stuff

>>30988275
CZ452/455 trainers.

CZ bolt guns are overbuilt monsters, in the good way. A bipod and good glass will net you a tack driver, once you figure out the ammo it likes. A few hundred bucks and a good gun smith can have you nearly in comp rifle territory,

>>30987190
I pretty much wanted a safari rifle but in 6.5. I'll have to settle for .308

>>30986249
Good to know, thanks

>>30987160
Preferably in .22, or something that won't take the tree with the squirrel.

>>30966257
>savage
>mauser action

o i am laffin

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>>30977608
It makes me wonder if the 6.5 cm is just a fad paper puncher round that really isn't good for anything else. I mean come on what are your expectations for performance at 1400 yards on a target with the 6.5cm

Depending on what ballistics calculator you used I think your 142 cm numbers are about 100 fps to fast. And the ballistic numbers for the 130 gr TMK are quite terrible (https://www.sierrabullets.com/store/product.cfm/sn/7430/264-dia-130-gr-Tipped-MatchKing-TMK)

Just saying, stick with the .30 and shoot 212 gr eld. They have a ballistic coefficient of .673 (http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-212-GR-ELD-X/) this is something that the 6.5 cm can't touch when compared with the 30-06 to maintain similar velocities between the cartridges. On game performance will be significantly greater while 30-06 is also cheaper to shoot.

Shooting 30-06 from the ruger guide gun has less recoil than a .243

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>>30965933

my only bolts

I might be able to get a used S&B for a good price, but it has a hunting reticle with illuminated dot in the middle (L3).
Would that be viable for medium distance (100-300 m) paper punching?

>>30988765
tfw I'm a 2 stage trigger freak

My first non22lr gun was a rock river ar with a nm 2stage, so I became used to shooting it. Now on my ai even with how heavy the trigger is from the factory, I love it. 1st stage is like 2-2.5lbs and 2nd is right at 2lbs.

>>30991326
How much are they asking for, what model is the scope, and how old is the scope?

Also I assume you'll be doing the transaction f2f so if it is a good buy check the illum to make sure it is in good working order, and if you can test it at a firing range check the tracking.

If you are doing this transaction online unless it is someone you know quite well, or that you can have plenty of others verify it is legit I'd suspect this good priced S&B might be a scam.

>>30991737
It's an online auction. Seller is relatively well known, small shop, so he's legit.
According to the ad it's a "Schmidt & Bender 3-12x50", which would translate to their classic line. 350€ right now but still days to go.
I am less concerned about being scammed and more about being to shoot tight groups. The reticle has a gap with a dot in the middle.

>tfw a Holland & Holland Royal sxs went for 7700 yesterday

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>>30991737
Pic here

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>>30992159

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BUMPING FOR THE PUREST CLICKITY CLACKITY SOUNDS OF RACKING A BOLT ACTION RIFLE

>>30992129
Well I had a long thing typed out for ya but it got lost.

Anyways, if the info I came across is still correct the 3-12 classic only has 4 mils of total elevation. So unless you have a perfect zero at 100yds you'll have to zero it, and then install a canted rail. Since it is using the LMS rail, I don't know if you can add base cant or not. If not then you are shit out of luck. If you can I'm unsure how much it will cost you to get however much you need to add to the base.

Now on to the reticle design. The L3 reticle reticle has the dot being .9 inches at 100yds. If that is small enough for you to be sufficiently precise is up to you.

IMO I wouldn't buy it just for the lack of total elevation adjustment but that is me.

So I have an original FCP SR, I want to replace the Savage Accu-stock. Problem is, I have the bottom metal that accepts the AICS mags. Are there any aftermarket stocks that my rifle will fit out of the box? Also, someone recommend me a muzzle brake.

>>30992587
Found the manual. Dot is .9 moa, adjustment range is 15 moa.
Not a lot, but sufficient for my needs. Probably gonna bid on it to 6-800€
Thanks for your help.

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>>30987177
Theyre the m98, yeah. Meisters are even more expensive. Something like 25-40k.

>>30987935
>>30987989
>ive never owned a weatherby: the post
The mark V series is one of the strongest and smoothest shooting rifles on the market.

.257 weatherby magnum
.240 weatherby magnum
.30-378 weatherby magnum
6.5-284 weatherby magnum

All of those are amazing calibers, the .257 being one of the finest sheep cartridges ever made.

They've pandered more to the poorfags with their vanguards lately, but anyone who wants a real deal no bullshit weatherby should be buying the mark V. The action is completely different and it's a whole other animal.

I've been shooting a .30-06 weatherby since I was 10 years old. I never had any recoil issues and I probably weighed 90-100 lbs when I started using it so I'm not sure where your recoil statement comes from. Maybe large calibers in the ultralight models.

>>30964106
Probably something made by ruger.

Pic related: my fancy old man weatherby "safe queen" thats been my go-to rifle for 18 years now and has taken more animals than I can fit on my walls.

>>30992750
pretty much any aftermarket chassis will be using AICS mags in their system because of popularity. There are plenty that work with side bolt lock Savages, but if you want one that will work with side or trigger bolt locks, look at the MDT HS3.

For a muzzle brake look at precision armament m11.

>>30992941
Welcome
What cartridge are you planning on using for 1-300yds btw?

>>30989919
Fuck yes that is what I want my American to look like eventually. What sight do you have on there? is that a Savage Axis? what calibers?

>>30993318
Don't have a fun license yet, but either bolt gun in 308 or a nice AR-15.

do .22 bolt guns count?

>>30993468
Of course, .22 bolt is a great gun

>>30966300
I paid 1099 for mine =^_^=

If you shop around you can find one for under 1200. it is worth every penny imo.

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>>30993481
Good, here is my CZ 455 .22lr in full stock
kind of a bad picture though

>>30993520
How do you like it? How do you like the sights on it? Anything you don't like about it?

>>30993520
10/10 .22lr

That's going to be my next bolt rifle purchase.

>>30989668
>performance at 1400 yards on a target with the 6.5CM
Better than it'll be with anything else that isn't a magnum or ultramag? Considering neither .308 nor .30-06 have any load capable of staying supersonic that far. Pretty much the only other calibers capable of going to 1400m while not being an ultramag are other 6.5's (6.5x47Lap, 6.5x284, .26 Nosler).

>142 load about 100fps too fast
I used Quickload 3.6 with CFE223 to calculate those numbers on the 142SMK. It has historically proven to be quite accurate on its calculations. Since the 130TMK isn't in QL3.6's database I used calculations for a 90% pressure load with the 130gr Gameking. I did not play with other powders, and depending on powder used there could be as much as a 300fps total variance in MV (for example H322 gives low MV's while stuff like Alliant MR2000 or RL15/17 give extremely high MV's for any given max pressure). And yes, those were at Pmax, and yes I am aware the accuracy loads are usually a bit below that.

Ballistic coefficients came directly off the manufacturer's websites, and I used Hornady's online drop chart generator to get ranges at which they dropped below 1175fps (start of trans-sonic region at sane altitudes)

>just stick with .30 and shoot 212 ELD's
And without stepping up to .300wm or higher you still won't get to 1400m.

>now comparing to .30-06
Still won't get to 1400m and has twice the recoil of 6.5CM. Literally why other than being a .30cal shill.

>.30-06 from Ruger guide gun less recoil than *a* .243
Because the Guide Gun weighs 3lbs more than the .243 you shot. It's a heavy bastard.

>>30961600
Used to set up on the 600 yard line at Camp Perry with my spotting scope to watch the junior girls shoot 300 rapid for this exact effect.

Bout to get a 455 varmint. Any sight recommendations? 12-16 magnification is preferred. Are mueller scopes as good as the reviews they get on every website? Seems to good to be true for their prices. I don't mind spending a little for a 22 this nice.

>>30993582
>supersonic
>blahblahblah
Effective energy will be shit at 1400m. It'll reach and ping the gong, but real world usefulness will be gone past 1000m easily.

Idk why you people even argue about fps so much. Fps doesn't kill, kinetic energy does. Fps is directly correlated to that, yes, but so is bulletweight. There are some other real zingers out there that still won't be worth a shit beyond anything but gophers and paper.

So I'm a precision shooting newbie. I'm looking at a .308 because I already have a semiauto and ammo stockpile. I'm avoiding remingtons at this point because of horror stories here and with RL friends. I really love the tikka action.

Would it be better for me to buy a stock lighter profile barrel and shoot the hell out of it or just cry once and step up to the T3x CTR? And is the 200 dollar step from the t3 to the t3x line worth it?

>>30993718
T3X has, over the T3, the following features

Stock metal recoil lug (T3 comes with plastic, aftermarket options exist)
Changeable pistol grips on the stock
Wider ejection port so you can load rounds one at a time more easily through the top of the rifle, if you're into that

That's about it.

If that sounds like it's worth $200 worth of range time or ammo go ahead and get it.

>>30989668
Well, let me work up a .30-06 load with the 212 ELD-X.
>powder
53.1gr RL17 (Pmax)
>primer
FGMM LR
>case
Winchester
>bullet/seating info
Seating depth .636", COAL 3.360" (would require single-loading even in a long-action rifle)
>MV from 24" barrel
2619fps @ 0ft ASL, 59*F, 50% humidity (default/ideal settings)
>max supersonic range (threshold 1175fps)
~1410 yards. 1188fps at 1400 yards according to Hornady's ballistic calculator

So you gain NO distance for a rifle that:
>recoils twice as hard
>is long-action instead of short action
>must be single-loaded, can't be mag-fed
>costs significantly more to reload

>>30993712
Okay, lemme put it this way:
>no non-ultramag load will have the velocity necessary to expand *any* expanding bullet on the market regardless of bore diameter past 1000m
Not .308, not *any* of the various 6.5's, not any of the 6mms, not .30-06, not .300wm, not .300RM, not any of the short mags, not even 26/27/28 Nosler.
>kinetic energy at impact is irrelevant if you icepick the target with a non-expanded bullet

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So I got my first gun a couple weeks ago, and it's freakin fun. Now I'm bit by a gun-bug, and want a bolt-action rifle next. I'm thinking an older looking wooden furniture one, I hear the Nagants are a meme, but they look pretty cool and they're fairly priced from what I've researched.

What do you guys recommend for a wooden bolt-action rifle? preferably not .22, I want something that I can hunt with

>>30993763
What's your budget?

>>30993763
>thinks Mosins are fairly priced
Mossberg Patriot. Wood stock, same price as a Mosin these days (~$240USD), comes with a cheap but usable 3-9x scope, will outshoot any mosin ever made, has Accutrigger knockoff that while isn't great is head and shoulders better than any milsurp trigger.

>>30993718
All the remington horror stories are memes. If you're going to be precision shooting you should be redoing the bedding and reseating the actions anyways.

>>30993730
>muh recoil
It's a bunch gun, retard. You're not rapid firing it and if you can't take a hot .30-06 you'll never handle any real long range round that's actually useful.

>>30993758
>implying the bullet expands mid air
>implying calibers with >500 ft/lbs won't expand a fucking bullet when it impacts a target
You're fucking stupid, just stop posting. You have no clue what you're talking about.

I'm not even the .30-06 guy you're having your lovers quarrel with but a 300WM, 7MM RM, etc. will all expand bullets at 1000m.

>>30993785
tons of different manufacturers make decent cheap hunting bolts these days. Check out which of these come in wooden stock varieties: mossberg patriot, ruger american, savage axis, howa 1500, etc.

I know I'm missing some there through. Tons of options for a few hundred bucks and MUCH more accurate than a poor old mosin.

>>30993806
>it's a bench gun
So why do literally every single competitor in F/TR, 600m benchrest, 1000m benchrest, and basically every other fucking long-range precision competition shoot short-action cartridges?

Why does 6mmbr.com specifically state that 6.5x284 is pretty much the upper threshold for recoil in a competition gun?

IT'S NOT THE RECOIL'S EFFECT ON THE SHOOTER. IT IS THE ABILITY TO KEEP THE GODDAMN TARGET IN VIEW DURING RECOIL SO YOU CAN SPOT YOUR OWN DICK-SHITTING SHOTS. Magnum calibers recoil too much to be able to do this.

>hurr energy is the only metric for expanding bullets
No, it's velocity, literally every single manufacturer of expanding bullets in THE ENTIRE GODDAMN WORLD states this openly.

>>30993763
I just dropped $500 on a glock 19, but I'd probably be willing to spend that or less on a bolt action if it's good enough
>>30993785
awesome, I'll look into it. I know nothing about caliber either, so what do you recommend? I've only shot .22 rifles, 9mm handguns, and 12ga shotguns

>>30993833
I honestly haven't seen a Patriot chambered in anything other than .30-06, but for a first boltgun I would recommend basically any other caliber *besides* .30-06.

I like .243, it can be a good LR gun (1000m+) with something like 107gr SMK's, it can be a good varmint gun with <70gr varmint bullets, and it can be a very good deer gun with 90-110gr softpoints. Plus it recoils quite mildly.

Otherwise, I'd recommend .308 due to the widespread availability of cheap (50-60cpr) M80 clone ammo for plinking and practice.

>>30993387

ruger american ranch in 300 blk. Primary arms microdot, it now has a nikon p-300, which im not a huge fan of, kinda meh glass clarity. Silencerco omega 30 cal can. Voodoo tactical cheekrest.

Savage mk ii fvsr in .22lr. Silencerco sparrow. Nikon prostaff rimfire 3-9x40. little much for a 22, but tis fun and stupid quiet with subs.

>>30993806
I'm >>30993718

Exactly the point of my question. What gives me a better result: getting a standard t3/t3x and a good optic and a pile of rounds to practice with...knowing a later date will be a rebarrel/chassis stock upgrade.

OR

Do I just jump up to a nicer heavy barrel varmint/CTR and good optic and shoot more slowly?

I'm leaning to a standard t3x and a decent optic and just learning on that. By the time I get to the point I'm comfortable and feel like the gun isn't outshooting me I'll rebarrel and toss on one of those sweet mdt chassis systems.

>>30993873
If you're going to get into target shooting you'll be reloading, too, so factor that price into things and the T3/T3X for a few years makes great sense.

Reloading will get you better quality ammo than boxed cartridges and you can tailor your loads to your individual rifle which is important. It costs $3-500 to get into reloading and it'll take you a few years to earn that money back on your savings but you'll be shooting much much better ammo and practicing a skill that will transfer over to any other rifle.

>>30993873
Both the varmint and sporter factory barrels will be basically the same quality.

The main points of a heavy barrel are:
>you can shoot more/more rapidly before the barrel heats up enough to cause vertical stringing
Simply pace your shots and a sporter barrel can be just as accurate as a heavy barrel.
>heavy barrels make the gun front-heavy, adding stability to a bagged/bipod'd gun and reducing muzzle jump
This makes spotting your own shots somewhat easier but does nothing for the mechanical accuracy of the gun.

Buy the T3, a good optic, and ammo. Shoot a lot, but slowly, git gud. Shoot out the factory barrel and stick a better aftermarket barrel on it then.

>>30993860
>3-9x
>little much for a .22
Jesus, and here I am with a fixed 10x on my .22.

What ranges do you normally shoot at? I stretch out to 150 yards quite frequently as I shoot a lot of silhouette competitions with mine.

>>30993833


I'm gonna shill something I've posted several times this thread but eurooptic.com is liquidating their T3 rifles for $500 for most calibers, I ordered a .308 hunter (wood stock) for $575 shipped.

>>30993658

Rimfire central is your friend but yeah, I've heard good things about them.

>>30993901
>>30993902
Thanks guys. I'm getting out of some other hobbies and I guess I know where that money will go...t3 and reloading supplies here I come. The scope will be nice and easy too...loved my friends SWFA fixed 10x .

>>30993955
>>30993955
>>30993955


New thread for when we hit bump limit

Please post submissions for OP links in the next thread, useful resources or links ETC and I'll do my best to curate them

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>>30966102
Would a 308 of this be worth it? Or should I just get a 700 and call it a day? I really like its ability to accept Magpul shit. Also how is the trigger OTB?

>>30970804
>tattoos
Degenerate

>>30994085
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/78075/Savage+10+PRECISION+308

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/96858/TIKKA+JRTC316+T3+CTR+308+WIN+20IN

700s are shit

>>30993825
>velocity
So how is it that shit like a .45 acp expands when it's moving so slow? Bullet design and kinetic energy are what help expansion, it's not universal at a set velocity.

>muh short action
Literally a non-factor in a bench gun.

>muh spotting shots
Comp shooters have spotters, dumb ass.

>why is it that 6mm fags yatayata
Gee, I wonder why 6mm guys would say 6.5-284 (a fucking magnum) is the highest tier. 6.5-284 is also a fucking bear to shoot, retard. It's not like you're shooting .223. The thing muzzleblasts like crazy and burns barrels in 300-400 rounds.

You're a moron and probably don't even shoot or own more than a couple of rifles. Show me your awards and comp trophies and I'll consider what you're saying, otherwise you're just some faggot spouting "facts" off a forum you read.

>>30993873
A good rifle is nice to shoot, but it's not going to turn you into an amazing shot. Start with a light caliber that's easy to shoot and accurate like a .243 or a 7mm-08 in a solid rifle and get yourself a good scope. Most hunting rifles have lighter contour barrels so you can't just rattle rounds off, but you should take your time anyways.