/barg/ - Bolt Action Rifle General

The savage axis is the best budget rifle in the world.

>>30993987
I would argue that point. the cheapest one is the non-accutrigger, which is nothing special.

the accutrigger elevates it above other budget rifles, but the Model 11 also comes with it, and if you get the trophy hunter package with the nikon optic, you have a complete budget hunting package for much better value than an axis, even if you get an axis package with a cheapo scope attached. and if you are looking for something other than hunting, you should probably be seeking a heavier barrel profile than the axis offers anyway

I'm buying a Tikka T3 for hunting and general sharpshooting; I have a nice long range I want to try out. Should I get it in .300 WM or 7mm Rem Mag?

>>30994091
Neither. DO NOT start with a magnum caliber.

What is your idea of long range? 300m? 500m? 700m? 1000+m?

>>30994091
300 Win mag was used by a real life American superhero so use that.

>>30993987
no, the rem 700 is.

>>30994120
Except for the whole
>budget
part.

Y'know, since its cheapest model is $200-300 more than other companies.

>>30994091
go 6.5x55 noob
t3s suck for l/a magnums, due to short magazines

I feel like the old 30-06 is still better than the 308 when it comes to hunting. Soft point hunting ammo seems to cost the same for either caliber and you are getting 500 more joules of energy for a 180 grain bullet.

>>30994091
Try a .308. Stay away from the big magnums.

>>30994136
rem 700 is the original budget rifle. it was specifically designed to be mass produced cheaply. savage 10 even moreso.

Not the other guy but should I care about the longer barrel on the T3 Tac over the CTR?
Will be for shooting rested 100 or 300 meters.

>>30994167
It was also designed to fire when you activate the safety so you can safely fucking kill yourself trying to be safe.

>>30994192
I tend to like longer barrels because I use a lot of slow burning powders. It is more convenient for me.

For your purposes, it might make no difference at all.

>>30994091
Supply more info plz.

Just a quick reminder here, we have no OP links, if you think of something useful for anything pertaining to this thread please post it I'm putting together the OP pastebin etc over the next week

How much is a Sako 85 generally? Their 85 bavarian carbine fullstock looks so nice.

>>30994296
6br.com comes to mind.
Also fudd stuff about hunting calibers maybe.
Pastebin FAQ.

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>>30994324
On that subject, what are everyone's preferring hunting calibers for varmint, medium game, and large game?

For me, it is as follows.
Varmint: 22-250
Medium: 35 Rem
Large: 45-70

>>30994312
I can only really find them for $2000-2400

Would a couple of reference images be a good idea? It seems a little complex, what with how many calibers these guns are chambered in and how many uses there are.

Maybe pull inspiration from /dbt/'s "wut bike is gud?" image?
The /o/ "wut car is gud" is good too for dealing with subjects with lots of options.

>>30994348
>varmint
Highly depends. I shoot a lot of .204 Ruger and .223 for prairie dogs, but if they're particularly spooky or if it's exceptionally windy I'll shoot a .243. Coyotes and feral hogs I shoot "deer loads" in a .223 exclusively.
>medium game
7mm-08 has proven quite effective on deer while being mild enough my nieces can shoot it.
>large game
.300wm or .405win

>>30993987
Picked up a savage axis at my lgs, crosshairs in scope canted 45* to the right. Asked for a similar gun in caliber, and price. Left with a Mossberg Patriot Vortex.

>>30994516
...you do know that those rifles don't ship with the scope mounted on them, and that the LGS is the one that mounts the optic, right?

>>30994489
405win? That's an interesting one. Out of what, if I may ask?

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>>30994516

Wait, so the scope was definitely mounted correctly but the crosshairs were canted?

That's not the savage's fault, that's whatever shit cheap optic you bought with it.

>>30994106
Not same guy, but my idea of long range is 100 yds

t. ironsights

where's even the point of bolt guns?

>>30994536
Winchester m1895 current production

>>30994585
they offer a lighter, more affordable, more reliable package to deliver small objects to a target. They have downsides too (less volume of fire, less magazine capacity) but, as a poster said last thread, there's a reason the military still develops the m24 line along with the others.

>>30994585
Because not everyone has the delusion that they are John Rambo and that a semi auto rifle makes them an operator.

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>>30994569

>TFW you shoot 600yrds with irons

>>30994588
Really cool. How do you like it? Does it have the semi-circular steel buttplate? I've heard that can be a kicker on the 405s.

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Is this rifle any good for 900 USD?

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I'm making a /barg/ buyer's guide

So far my thoughts were to break it up into two main categories, rifles and scopes.
Initially I was going to break it up into hunting and target with scope options for both at each price level but I want to hear what you guys think.


So far the plan would have the sheet look something like the attached image

>>30993987
Yugo mauser.

>>30994825
As far as naming the thread goes I would say /brg/ but battle rifle general has been around quite a while so it's either stick to /barg/ or come up with something else.

No current producton boltgun accepts stripper clips out the box/factory right? [spoiler];_;[/spoiler]
When will they be put back?

>>30994695
>When someone remembers what you posted
>Priceless
The M24 & M40 are perfect examples of why bolt guns just work. Hell the m24 was developed solely because the m21 was severely lacking as a long range precision rifle that was comparatively useless outside of a jungle.

>>30994585
They're both fun and cool

>>30994804
It's pretty badass. Semi-crescent butt (nowhere near as deep as original, those fucking hurt). I put a repro Lyman 21 receiver sight on it and it's extremely accurate.

Recoil is extremely stout though.

>>30994817
Not in x39 it's not.
>take really nice rifle with a history of durability and accuracy
>chamber it in a low pressure round with scarce and expensive brass-cased ammo that's still at best 1.5 MOA ammo
Get it in .223 and yes.

>>30994979
I bet. 405 is a pretty stout cartridge.

The only 1895 I've ever shot was a 303 brit carbine, and that was pretty fantastic.

>>30994999
>what is reloading?

>inb4 weak excuses.

>>30994834
Yugo Mausers are trash

>>30994999
Why anyone would shoot anything smaller than 7.62 in a bolt gun is beyond me

>>30995004
I love the model. I have 3 originals (including 2 that are pre-1898 first model slabsides) and the repro.

Yeah, .405 without a shotgun butt and recoil pad requires one of the worn recoil pads. I have a PAST shoulder pad I use with it.

My originals are .30-40 Krag, .40-72, and .30-03 (predecessor to .30-06).

>>30995032
Then you are a very narrow-minded fool.

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Here's my savage model 11, rebarreled with a stainless steel varmint E.R. Shaw. Chambered in .243 winchester. I shoot paper with this gun. Running a Burris 3200 Elite 5-15×40. Gonna swap the scope out with a SWFA SS 10×. Assemblin this week and going to shoot on Saturday. Waiting on the barrel nut and recoil lug. Pretty excited to get this rifle back up after being down for almost 8 months. Original barrel was fouled out after 6-8000 rounds.

>>30995041
Damn now there is competition on my what lever action I get next list. I was pretty sold on the new Pedersoli 1886. They came out with a model that has a 26in barrel and a full length tube mag.

But, one of the LGS does have an 1895 in 30-40 krag.

Such is life.

>>30995106
Any reason you like the low mag somuch?
Nice savage, looks almost identical to my custom M10 308/choate stock/ Krieger ss barrel

>>30995123
I'm not sure what you mean by low mag.

And thank you man. This was actually my first I ever purchased when I was 20 and I absolutely shot the hell out of it. My friend has a M10 in 308. Got any pictures of yours??

>>30995114
I would recommend against .30-40, ammo is basically nonexistant for it.

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This

>>30994525
The scope was mounted perfectly, it was the crosshairs inside that were canted.
>>30994553
It was the default scope that came with the rifle.

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>>30995261
Plus this

>>30995271
Then the LGS dicked up in a big way because that's not how you fucking mount scopes?

Do you even know how boresighting works?

I mean, even if the scope was defective from Savage, the LGS still fucked up by not catching it despite significant interaction with it before putting it on the show floor.

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>>30995261
>>30995283
hot

>>30995271
savage didn't make the scope you dingus. buy a real scope. don't buy package rifles unless it's a package with reputable makers

>>30995287
Oh well, i like the Mossberg Patriot Vortex.

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>>30995261
>>30995283
Equals this
https://youtu.be/AbmmqgQ0y8E

>>30995327
Okay.

>>30995293
This guy knows

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>>30995220
Low magnification lol

Heres my model 10, before I put the new stock on our rifles were identical lol. I got this rifle for $400 from a friend who put over 5000 rounds through it, had it rebarrled and generally worked over and now it's one of my favorite rifles. Had the chamber reamed for a .308 Palma load so it's picky with ammo but fun as hell.

>>30993955

Any Eurofags in here?

Currently visiting on the continent,

>>30995231
I can't say that has ever stopped me before. At this point, reloading weird old rounds is a hobby.

>>30994216
Nice meme

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Here's what I have so far, looking for suggestions for each price category and, if you really love me, you'll post a picture of your suggested rifle I don't care if it's your rifle or a google image but a decent quality photo is best.

>>30995327
Sleep well knowing you changed out one of the best budget rifles available for whats arguably a sub par rifle from a manufacturer that's widely recognized as making horrible rifles.

Google "Mossberg rifle problems" then Google "savage rifle problems".
Then consider the number of savages sold compared to Mossberg...

>>30995369
Didn't stop me either.

Glad you reload, you pretty much have to for .30-40.
>tfw paid nearly $300 for 120 rounds of factory .30-40 this summer
On the plus side, even with stout loads the brass lasts forever.

>>30995411
The Patriot isn't terrible though. Maybe a little worse than an Axis II, definitely better than an Axis, cheaper than either, and available with a wood stock.

>>30995345
Haha duh.

I've honestly just heard great reviews on fixed 10× optics, and I just want some change. Its not limiting, and I also like the idea of the optic being more rigid, im planning on taking this thing in the woods to shoot 500+ yards.

Awesome looking rifle, similar story to mine. And nice optic,How do you like it? I don't think I could justify dropping the cash for a NF just yet. One day tho.

>>30995412
I used to reload 50-70 govt for a friend with a gatling gun. It cannot be as hard to find as 50-70 brass.

>>30995621
No, brass isn't too hard to find.
>.50-70
>hard to find
They haven't produced .38-72 brass since 1914. I have to make my own.

>>30995636
38-72?

Never even heard of it m80. You win this obscure caliber epeen contest. My worst ones at the moment are 22 Hi-power and 40-90.

>>30995412
>>30995621
>>30995636
>>30995662
you people are all crazy. glad to know where my new reloading hobby may take me....

Don't change.

Thinking of getting a vz. 24 soon. Is it a good rifle?

>>30995682
Couldn't even if we wanted to friend. Its only a matter of time before you wake up one morning and think "Hmm, maybe I should buy a rifle in 300 Sherwood." or "Re-barreling an R700 action to 8x63 Swedish MG can't be that hard. "

>>30995662
I have a .40-90. I simply shoot .40-65 in it because fuck trying to find brass when Starline still makes .40-65 brass :P.

.38-72 had issues and was short-lived (it was supplanted by .40-72). Originally it had a 1:26 rifling rate, but the original 277gr bullet wouldn't fully stabilize due to a lot of nose in front of the driving bands. They increased the twist to 1:18 in 1903, then again to 1:16 in 1904, before discontinuing the caliber later that year.

I ended up having Accurate Molds custom-make me a 275gr bullet mold with a bore-rider section that seems to help, my .38-72 has the original 1:26 twist rate and if I try to drive the original Lyman-mould OEM bullets faster than about 1500fps they keyhole. I can get upwards of 1750fps with the Accurate Mold bullets before they run into stability issues.

>>30995718
>tempted to build a .14 Squirrel because I hate my wallet and it looks fun AF
Because on top of having to make my brass I'll have to custom-swage my own bullets and fabricate a cleaning rod too :P

>>30994348
6.5x55
6.5x55
6.5x55

>>30995726
Starline really is the savior of cowboy calibers. Them and Norma, anyways. Where would we be without someone to make 45-120 brass?

How much did the custom job from accurate run? Did you have to get custom dies too? If yes, from where? CH4D?

>>30995749
I think the mould ran me about $160, but it's a 4-cavity.

I use original Winchester hand dies, they work and I was gonna buy them anyway to "complete the set". I think RCBS actually makes dies for it though.

>>30995739

Hey, don't let that stop you my man. I have a friend who has been working on a wildcat for a year or two now. He calls it the 26-70. It is a 45-70 case necked down to 6.5. Last time I was over there he was using a mosin as the base, due to the rim of 7.62x54 and the rim of 45-70 being very similar.

>>30995745
I do like to see all the love for 6.5 swede, and shooting my M96 is always a pleasure, but it is firmly a medium game caliber to me.

>>30995766
RCBS does, but they are the 150$ custom jobs.

>>30995789
I have been a part of developing 3 wildcats, one of which is commercially successful
>take gunsmithing course from Mike Bellm
>turn out to have an affinity for the Contender
>he asks for my help with a wildcat project
>suddenly, .300 whisp-r improved

>>30995411
Google "Mossberg patriot problems" then Google "savage axis problems".
>Then consider the number of savages sold compared to Mossberg...
See, when you search for the exact gun and not just the whole, axis has way more problems.

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next fun im going to buy is a ruger american

so 30-06 or 308

>>30996049
What range do you intend to shoot at?
Big game hunting or just paper slaying?

>>30996106
sub 500 yards pavement apes

>>30996158
243. 100 grain softpoints.

>>30994804
This. Although at 1000 with irons... SO satisfying when the target goes into the pits on your first round.

>>30996049

This being those single shot falling breech types?

If you can shoot 30-06 do it, plenty of it can be had.

Either that or .270 because I always see that on the shelf, its a necked down 30-06 anyway.

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There's got to be a quicker, cleaner and easier way to do this

Also holy shit Tikka has a million options for caliber.

Still need suggestions for the other two price ranges and alternatives

>>30996412
is axis good?

>>30996530
It's a good low-budget new production rifle.

I'm not including surplus because prices aren't fixed

>>30995390

Are we doing rimfire too? Also we should call this /BAG/, sounds better than /BARG/

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I need it

>Took several decades just for them to add a fucking detachable magazine

The Few...

The Stupid...

>>30996620
I kind of like /BARG/ tbhfam

>>30996620
/bag/ is fine, just leaves me high and dry for the /barg/ain pun.

>>30996620
Rimfire is a different chart.

I'm thinking I may make this into a sophisticated google sheets page where you can pick a category and then a rifle and have a whole data sheet and I'm happy to do the work but I need assistance sourcing rifles and suggestions.

Anyone here ever fired a CZ 527? I love the idea of a mini Mauser I can use for cheap plinking that will still remove Bambi within a couple hundred yards, but I want to make sure it's not a lemon. My Nugget has many advantages but reliability and ease of optic mounting are not among them. Damn thing gets overheated and the bolt sticks firing more than 40 rounds an hour.

>>30996705
CZ is a great purchase, they make some of the better non fudd-specific rifles out there and they have some beautiful mannlicher style full stock options.

>>30996548
aight, gonna pick it up soon. always wanted to get a bolt rifle.

How do you guys rate glass?

>>30996737
The 550FS in .30-06 and 527 in 7.62x39 are both on my list. Why can't American companies make nice rifles like that anymore?

>>30995293
>that scope
I have a weaver k4 that would look a thousand times better.

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>>30995293
>drilling a milsurp gun

>>30996308
30-06 is much more flexible than the .270, the .270 however is a much flatter shooting caliber.

Having both, I'd say if you ever want to shoot elk/moose/etc. you should be going for the 30-06. If you want something that packs a punch and is not as harsh as a belted magnum but shoots flatter than the fuddsix, 7x64 brenneke.

>>30996951
Fuddy old sex is also compatible with 51 years worth of service rifles (M1903A[1-4] Springfield, Garand) and is nearly impossible to ban because so many people already own weapons chambered in it.

As someone who can get 40% off MSRP for beretta imports (Tikka/Sako) what should I be looking at? I'm more of a semi auto guy, and I don't really hunt..

>>30997058
If you're just punching paper or ringing steel all day, go with a T3x (T3 is out of production now) in .223 and buy a bunch of AR food.

>>30997166
I already have an AR, I wanted to branch out a little caliber wise. Was looking at .243 or something varmint/medium game sized

>>30997176
There's literally no reason you need to do so unless you're hunting something bigger than coyotes. If you just want to do it for the lulz, go with whatever tickles your fancy.

What do you guys think of the Map Patrol by Mossberg?

Also would you guys generally consider Mossberg products to be of good quality?

>>30997285
>Also would you guys generally consider Mossberg products to be of good quality?
Shotguns yes, bolt action rifles maybe, lever action guns hell no.

>>30997285
>Mossberg products
shotguns good
22lrs shit really cheap quality bare minimum piles of crap but hey its cheap probably the cheapest
rifles functional but why would you bother when there are so many other companies producing better guns that cost the same

>>30996972
It's just a really good caliber. The fucking thing can be loaded up with 120-220g bullets and it moves some serious ass when loaded hot.

Really under-rated by those who have never shot it. It's not my favorite, but it's up there. When I'm tired of fucking around and just need something dead, I grab my fudd. Shit is just dead on at almost any realistic hunting range and the Hornady 165g Superformance rounds are wicked. Fucking things absolutely demolish deer.

Does a 30-06 loaded down to 120 grains recoil the same or less than 7mm-08 / 270 with a 120 grain bullet ?

>>30997670
Top kek.

>>30997670
We need on with .45 AUTO vs 10mm

How about we call these threads bgg
Boltgun General?

>>30996855

527 in 7.62x39 or .223? I hear you can make some spicy and accurate 7.62x39 loads for it.

>>30997484
Depends on the gr of the powder charge really.

A 7mm-08 has very little recoil so that wouldn't be a good comparison. Keep in mind that lighter bullets will need a faster twist and vice versa, so not just one rifle will accept all of the loads.

.270 has a bite to it.

>>30997766
With 10mm on the left, right?

Swedish M38, worth $450? Its in really nice shape

>>30997908
That is a pretty good price for the M38. Nothing to write home about, but you aren't getting ripped off.

>>30996794
First priority is passing the box test.

Second priority is glass clarity (color resolution, lack of edge distortion)

Third priority is durability.

Fourth priority is eye relief

Fifth priority is reticle (its personal preference)

First focal plane vs. Second focal plane is a hotly debated topic and down to specific usage.

>>30997484
Not if you're at anywhere close to a full power load with that 120. It will be hauling serious ass and burning somewhere around 65gr of powder.

>>30997850
Unless you're already set up to reload and are willing to drop a buck per case for Lapua x39 brass, I'd go with the 527 in either .300blk or .223. There simply isnt any truly accurate x39 ammo out there to do that rifle justice.

>>30998590
527 doesn't come in .300AAC.

>>30998628
Ive seen them in it, must've been rebarrels.

Oh well. One of those would be sweet.

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>>30996919
i know. but its not a Norwegian Krag

>don't rage on the pic

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>>30993955
>General bolt gun thread

OK, here's my bolt shotgun.

whats /k/s opinion on the Browning X-bolt? my friend has one and also a tikka t3 both in 30-06 (i want a rifle in 30-06) and i loved the x-bolt, tikka was nice too but the x-bolt was better IMHO, just a poorer after marker, but rifle is fine.

>>30995327
i like the wood one, its got a sexy stock

>>30998726
sbs that thing. is it a marlin?

>>30999142
Glenfield. Made by Marlin.

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Question for you knowledgeable bolt action riflers:

I'm looking into getting a bolt-action as my next gun, and because of price constraints and what I want in aesthetics, I'm really wanting a Mossberg Patriot Hunter with the wood stock. You guys have told me they are pretty good rifles and they are reasonably priced.

However, I would look into maybe putting a bipod on it, but I don't think it has "swivel studs" which I think are required for bipods (correct me if I'm wrong)

Is it pretty easy to DIY and install swivel studs so I could attach a bipod on it? Or should I not even think of putting a bipod on at all?

>>30996842
is that a ruger hawkeye?

>>31000165
The Patriot comes with swivel studs. It's the little black button-looking things at the front of the forend and the toe of the stock in your pic.

They're normally used for slings. Depending on which manufacturer of bipod you get, you can still use a sling (connected to the bipod, which is connected to the sling stud).

Generally, installing sling studs is quite simple and they come with instructions.

Ordered the Sako 85 Bavarian in 7mm rem mag today. Excited

>>31000285
Thanks for the clarification, I was thinking those were the swivel studs, but the online retailer I was looking at said it didn't come with them, which I thought was weird since the picture had those in the spot where they would go. Anyway thanks for the help!

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What do you guys think of Fullstock bolt actions?
While I get semi hard from the aesthetics I figure there has to be some sort of drawback. Can you guys enlighten me?

>>30994348
Varmint: .223 Rem
Medium: 6.5 Creedmoor
Large: .300 WM

I reload with Barnes TSX

>>31000464
>pros:
They're sexy AF
They protect the majority of the barrel from incidental damage
>cons:
Cannot be freefloated
Heavier than a traditional sporter wood stock

>>31000487
wrong
>>31000464
useful for short barrel bolt action carbines to counter balance the stock.

>>30995032
subsonic .22lr with a suppressor on a bolt gun is too much fun

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>>30993987
Does this count as a budget rifle?

>>31000537
>it's a rebranded Howa 1500
>it's $300 more than a Howa 1500
No

>>31000464
You can't freefloat them and they're a wee bit heavier. Totally worth it to have the full stock imo.

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>>30994861
/mag/
manual action general
>covers bolt, breech, lever and slide

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My favorite bolt action I own.

I inherited it from my uncle and I un-fudded it.

How are the Howa rifles? First time I've seen a modern production Japanese firearm in the US

>>31000605
Absolutely amazing for the money, until you want to rebarrel one
>fucking pinned/welded recoil lug
It can still be done but it's harder.

>>30996951
>>30996972
>>30997454
It's stupid easy to load for. 46gr of IMR 4895 behind a 150gr Hornady Interlock BTFMJ for military rifles. 46gr of IMR 4895 behind a 150gr Hornady interlock BTSP for deer, coyote, gophers, whatever. Sight in for one, shoot the other in the same spot.

>>30997484
I use the Barnes 130gr TTSX for little kids with daddies 06. Even at 2600 fps it's like shooting a bolt 223.

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>>31000587
/barge/ Bolt Action Rifle GEneral
/large/ Lever Action Rifle GEneral

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Would you buy one?

>>30994348
I have never hunted varmint and have no desire to. For medium game, ie hogs, whitetail, and I guess turkeys count? I have used a .223, .308, and recently a 30-06 to great effect. They are still running for a bit when I shoot a whitetail, so I am shamed, but I am working to be better.
Large game? I live where larger game doesn't.

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So I am looking at my first bolt rifle and I have $600-800 to spend on just the rifle itself.

I was trying to find anyone around my area who are able to order a Tikka T3X in .,308, but no luck, just the regular T3.
Now I am eyeing the Winchester M70 featherlight.

I've read quite a bit of accounts regarding the tikka, but not so much the m70, especially the newer rifles.
Anyone who owns one can chime in on it? The good and bad?

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Hey guys, I just had a flashback to my childhood, and my very first gun at the age of five was one of those .410 and .22 interchangable barrel single shot rifles. I loved it. I got older and went bird hunting with a single shot 20 guage. I love the look of those simple single shot guns, and I would love to buy one in a rifle. .308, 30-06, I don't care, just something I can shoot whitetail with sometimes. What I want most of all is for it to not look like fucking pic related. The shape around the hand grip disgusts me for some reason.

Also, captcha turned on us. I had to select street signs and one was a firearms banned in area sign.

are howa's any good for a budget bolt action?

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>>31001150
This is what I desperately want a rifle to look like. I would be more than pleased. I assume they are out there, and if they are, I trust /k/ to help me pick a good one. For some reason.

>>31001165
>I feel your plight m8
I want:
Single shot
7.62x39
16"
Break action
Wood
Light weight
Auto ejector for pooping steel shells over your shoulder
Cheap
Cheap to feed
Optic rail for cheap RDS
Duct Tape on moist nugget bayonet

Anyone know of something related?

Should I sell my Savage 111 .300 win mag to get a .308 Savage 10 or Remi 700? Or, should I just keep it?

/mage/ manual actions

>>31001385
Bajkal makes a kipplauf like that

>>30995032
Because 6.5 ballistics

>>31001161
howas are quite nice for a budget bolt.

Pros: cheap, reasonably accurate out of the box, inexpensive box magazine kit

Cons: harder to swap barrels, smaller aftermarket than r700.

I put them somewhere between a remington 700 and a tikka in quality...not bad for something that can be had in the 400s retail.

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527 Varmint in .223.
Zeiss Conquest DL 2-8x42 w/ illuminated #60 reticle

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>>31002528
Love this scope, clear as day.

>>30995355
from the UK, want a SMLE but no shooting clubs anywhere near so I don't have a good enough reason. It's fucking shit.

>>31002539
>>31002528
I actually really like that reticle.

Is that eye relief actually correct for you? Looks like it's pretty far back on the gun.

>>31002555

I know there's a Czech guy in the AR threads from time to time, and I've seen several Finns.

Yeah, the UK gun culture is trash though. I have an Ishapore 2A Lee-Enfield chambered in 7.62 NATO. It's a lot of fun to shoot, but the accuracy is far from amazing.

>>31002625
It's been moved a bit further ahead since then. The scope is really iffy about eye relief.. to the degree that I'm wondering whether I should get one of the really ugly picatinny rails and put new rings on it. Sucks to waste the 110 dollar Leupold 16mm rail rings by not using them then.. and it'd look pretty ugly on an otherwise sleek gun.

Mounting options sucks on CZ rifles, really sad. On this one I have maxed the forward adjustment of the scope since the rings can only be mounted that far forward on the receiver. It's kind of in a weird position which feels good when shooting standing/sitting but gets uncomfortable prone.

The turret being that far forward on the scope body really fucks things up.

Reticle is non-magnifying btw, just like I like it. Friend's 3-12x56-Zeiss has a magnifying reticle #6 (60 without illuminating), the bigger bars on the 3, 6, and 9 o'clock reticle threads get really annoyingly huge on anything beyond 6x magnification.

>>31002707
I'm this guy:
>>31002528
>>31002539
>>31002709
And I'm Norwegian. Own 5 guns (1 rimfire rifle, 3 centrefire rifles, 1 pump shotgun)

>>31002539
My god dat chromatic aberration... How much does that shit cost and why is it so much?

>>31002749
It's actually my phone camera sucking at taking photos like that. I have to manually focus and adjust light so it gets pretty wavy and colours start to blend.

To the eye it looks very clear, no chromatic aberration whatsoever.
I paid the equivalent of $890 for it, nowadays it costs more like $1050
The version with the regular (non-illuminated) reticle is a couple hundred bucks cheaper.

Question: all the sako rifles I've looked at use dovetails to mount scopes, are dovetails better then being drilled and tapped for scope mounts? Are there benefits to either?

>>31002864
Sako/Tikka Optilock is probably one of the most stable scope mounting options available. Good repeatability and they are just rock solid. Unless you HAVE to use Picatinny/Weaver rings, a good Optilock ring is better in most cases.

Optilock is expensive but it will last much longer than cheapo picatinny rings. Think about it like getting good solid rims for your car instead of cheaper cooler looking ones

>>31002864
There are both advantages and disadvantage to both.
>benefits of dovetail
Reduces total weight of rifle by deleting the scope bases
Cleaner, sleeker look
Allows mounting scopes lower to the top of the receiver (provided the objective lens still clears the barrel)
Stronger to lateral impact vs. screwed-on scope bases
>disadvantages of dovetail
Without specialty mounts that encompass the entire dovetail, repeatability on mounting and remounting scopes is nonexistent as you have no reference marks
Good scope mounts are hellaciously expensive
No cross slot=no recoil lug, you're relying 100% on friction to keep your scope from moving front or back under recoil or impact

>>31002884
So I'm building out a tikka t3x with a 30mm SWFA SS 10x scope. Would I be better off grabbing the tikka base and 30mm blued medium rings or just going for a one piece solution that ties into their dovetails?

My normal solution for these things is just go picatinny and forget about it.

>>31003049
hmm. may need a low mount, actually

>>31000647
Is it safe to say that if you could only pick a single caliber to handle every potential type of game in north America that this would be it?

>>31003099
Not that guy, but it's pretty fucking close. .30-06 is extremely versatile.
>something like a 125gr Nosler BT or 130gr TTSX for antelope and other small shit (coyotes, hogs, etc)
>a whole slew of 150-165gr bullets for deer and elk
>180's for elk and moose
>Hornady makes a very good 220gr RN that's an excellent bearstopper

My uninformed opinion incoming:

it's too big for vamint size things and its a touch light for moose (and too light for grizzly), but it probably covers the most broad types of game you'll see in North America.

Help me out /k/, I want a boltfun but I need it to meet this criteria or I can't consider it worth my money.

>shoots .308 or bigger
>10+ round detachable mag
>$800 or less

Is this doable?

>>31003187
Mossberg MVP.

Yes, it's shit.

>>30994348
bullets matter more than headstamps
>>31001161
yeah they're fine. people say 'less aftermarket than rem700s' which is true but dont let that turn you off - most of the stuff that's actually good quality & worth using is made for the other popular actions. as with AR15s, 90% of the aftermarket stuff is gimmicky junk or poor imitations of higher quality gear.

>>31003187
Ruger american, savage axis, tikka, etc. + aftermarket mag with some money left over for a decent scope.

>>31003215
>$400 rifle
>$250+ DBM
>$75-100 AICS mags
>"some money left over for a decent scope"
no

>>31003187
I've been looking at similar options and here's what I've found:

A. Mossberg mvp in 308 ($400-600). Takes magpul ar10 mags, m1a, etc. Has quality concerns.
B. Howa 1500 with Howa Detachable Box Mag (DBM) kit (500-700). Proprietary and plastic mags and floorplate. Better quality? on the rifle at least.
C. Rem 700 varient with metal DBM kit ($900+). Remington concerns, high cost of DBM kit, and custom stock inletting costs. Eww.
D. Howa/Tikka/rem 700/Ruger/Savage etc mounted in chassis ($1000+). You get what you pay for.

I'm going D after I just shoot the damn gun and get precision rifle basics down. You dont need anything more than the gun, a mounted scope, and ammo to learn how to shoot well. If you just want to play rifle dress up, why do you even need to shoot it?

>>31003297
oh, and just to add: Tikka does make CTR 10 round mags for 308 that fit the standard tikka but....at 150+ dollars per mag you're probably better off with other options.

>>31003309
>$150+ per mag
I remember when you could get entire nuggets for less than that.

>>31003357
And I remember when nobody made AI mag knockoffs and AI mags were $210 and only available directly through AI.

And that was on top of the $320 Badger Ordnance detachable bottom metal. Since nobody else made one.

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Picked this up for relatively few bongbucks, came in a heavy, oldschool laminate stock which I've stripped, added 3/4" to the LOP and am busy drilling out and plugging old swivel stud holes.

It's got a pretty shootable military barrel on it, a little frosting and moderate throat wear, cut down to about 20" and re-crowned. It's a Remington from February 1918, really nice machining on the receiver. The bolt is a Winchester. I'm going to have it re-barreled, maybe with a Criterion M1917 repro 26 incher; probably the cheapest option. Aside from that I think I'll float the new barrel and have it glass and pillar bedded, then I just need to either find some old Parker Hale RALS rings or see if I can just replace the mounts altogether.

Will probably cost me about the same as a lower cost new bolt action does here, like a Howa 1500, but it's kinda cool and I get pleasure from the overbuilt old actions. Just feeling the massive, forged bolt handle with tinges of colour from when it was bent makes me happier than a new action's cast handle would.

>>31003297
>R700 plus DBM plus 1 mag
>$900
lolno.

The cheapest model they make with a hinged floorplate starts at $700 (unless you're willing to buy a $500 rifle with a blind mag and buy a $250+ aftermarket stock with a magwell cutout, which isn't a bad option if you were gonna replace the stock eventually anyway) plus a $150+ DBM plus a $50-80 magazine plus at least $50 to get it properly inletted by a gunsmith. Which puts you solidly over a grand.

The only reason to go with a DBM in a regular stock these days over a chassis is weight--the chassis is going to weigh more but be about the same price.

Varmint: 22-250
Medium: 7x57
Large: 300 RUM

>>30994192
Do you value the 10rd magazine over the long barrel? Also TAC is phosphated and CTR is blued or stainless if that matters to you.

>>31003537
Notice the plus symbol next to the 900? I looked down that path only until I realized the same thing as you: the chassis is a better option. If you'll notice the paragraph I even spell my choice out there. I do appreciate the greater detail on the Remington DBM option though...thank you.

>>31003468
Sweet. I'm strongly tempted to just do this myself: buy a used quality civvie bolt and shoot then rehab it to modern features

Bolt Action Rifle General is too clunky, just call it Bolt Action General.

/bag/

>>31003757
Anyone that wants a seriously accurate competition or precision shooting rifle should be building like that. You'll never buy a gun that shoots 1/4" moa right out of the box 100% of the time, but you can build one and it'll be better than any factory gun almost always.

People bitching about it not happening fail to consider this and the fact that certain guns don't like certain ammo.

>wahhhh my remington shot 6" groups at 100 yards out of the box with my favorite ammo
>never try different loads
>never bed the action
>never take into consideration the scope could be shit
>they might be fucking awful at shooting it

>>30996842
Is that some .577 Fuckoff?

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Just picked up this Savage MkII for 148$ out the door. No accutrigger, but it's all good. Threw a BSA sweet22 scope on it, with some Millet rings. It's all ready for squirrel season.

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>>31004015
Here's my Savage Axis .308 too

>>31003946
mmmmmmuh bolt action shottie general doe

>>31004026
tupperware on a pistol is one thing but it is just hideous on a rifle

>>31004015
squirrels are such niggers

death to all squirrels

>>31004105
It's good that you have opinions. It's a cheap .308, it was also a christmas gift. I like it because it's lightweight.

>>31004114
death to the squirrels my friend

>>30995345

>pistol grip on a bolt action


Absolutely heretical

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>>30994216

Is this the /barg/ equivalent of glocknade?

>>31003099
Pretty much. It's a do-all cartridge that I can always find in either loaded ammo or reloading components.

And like >>31003115
You can load it up or down depending on the application an the shooter and still have excellent energy on impact. And for the reloader, you can do all kinds of stupid shit with it, like use 170gr Sierra flat nose soft points that are made specifically for 30-30 and put IMR 4064 behind them. Then you get a round that blows a basketball size exit hole in deer and blows coyotes in half.

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>>31004150
guess I don't get the reference. Should we hate a semi auto 10/22 because we discuss bolt actions? Or because the 10/22 is massively popular? It's still completely moot because this is "BOLT ACTION GENERAL!!!111!!1!" ? Bit of a fail there, bud.

Have some tactical rifle porn.

>>31004346

???

I was referring to the guy who said rem 700s discharge with the safety on

Pic was just a random file

>>30993955

Is it possible to get a bolt-action full power rifle, preferably in .30-06, with iron sights and still mount a scope?

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Savage axis > any other cheap rifle

>>30993955
Thinking about buying a Model 70, is there are particular model that's the golden standard?

>>31004376
Yes. You just need high scope rings made for looking through the bottom to see the iron sights. I never understood why people want to tho, looks uncomfy for irons or the scope.

so for a new precision shooter or hunter...which crosshair? mildot or mrad? It seems mildot is better for on-the-fly adjustments and mrad is more precise.

Which should the new shooter learn on?

>>30993955
Should I get a rifle in .30-06 or .308?

If I am primarily target shooting with a chance of coyote should I go for .308 or something smaller?

>>31004614
.308 seems hardcore for Coyote, I usually take care of them with .223.

Why the FUCK are CZ 527 .223 5rnd mags 50 euro a pop? For god's sake I have to eat too

>>31004626
I am a beginner. .223 is common and cheap,right?

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>>30994585
what's the point of revolvers?

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>>31004420
What caliber?

>>31004626
.243 is the ideal coyote popper. .308 is a bit much and .223 will still give you spinners.

>>31004015
You're gonna love it, but the accutrigger is seriously one of the nicest things I've ever had on any rimfire. Here's my savage in .17 HMR. Have a couple .22s that never see the light of day now because of it.

Need a better scope, but the crappy simmons works well for how ridiculously cheap it is.

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This is probably a dumb question but when people quote the barrel length do they mean the length of the bore, including the leade and rifling, or do they mean the overall length of the barrel including the barrel shank? Or do they measure from where the barrel meets the receiver ring?

>>31004150
I almost got one of those. The bolt release lever was the deal breaker. Other than that it's a great rifle that's a joy to shoot. I'll probably buy one so I have something to take to pistol ranges. What's the hate about?

>>31004973
They measure from bolt face to muzzle.

>>31004657
Yep. Great caliber to start with

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>>31004841

.243 is an awesome cartridge, but barrel life is an issue. Definitely worth considering a Savage or a Remage conversion for DIY barrel swaps if one intends to shoot a lot of .243.

>>30996919
Many rifles have been after war. We have 8x54R mosins in Funland due to "ban military calibers from civvies"

>>30997843
Nope!
>WH40K

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scout rifle best rifle

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got my first 7/10 at 800 meters with one of these at infantry brecon. might not be that great by some standard but this gun made me feel like i was cheating. love them always will

>>31005120
I think it depends a lot on your loads. My grandfather's .243 was bought in the 50's and probably has more deer and coyotes taken than my newer rifles put together. Older 3-9x40 leupold, etc.

Doesn't seem to have any problem shooting MOA, but I'm not autistic about groups either. If I point it at shit and the fucking things die I'm good. Shoots simple corelokt loads, 50-300 yards. Nothing fancy.

A hot .243 handload I'm sure would have more wear and I'm sure some people use theirs for much more precise things. Just giving my experience with it, most of us won't do much different.

>>31005521
It does have a lot to do with loads.

The .243 is very very tolerant of high pressures, and functionally resembles a lot of the "overbore" magnums in its lighter loads. As a result, if you're shooting 60gr coyote grenades at max pressure at 3400fps (doable with room to spare), yeah your throat isn't gonna last for shit.

But if you're moving 107gr SMK's at a relatively sedate 3050fps (roughly a 90% Pmax load depending on powder, also typically your best accuracy node) the barrels last a long damn time because you're not getting as hot or abrupt a pressure spike. Mainly because you're using a slower powder and a lot less of it.

I've been shooting a .243 since the late 70's, and when I was younger I was of the opinion faster was always better. I was in Arizona turning antelope and Cou's whitetail inside out with (long since discontinued) 70gr Sierra softpoint (from before they made the gameking distinction) at ridiculous velocities, and I'd go through a barrel every few thousand rounds because I was practicing a lot, not letting the rifle cool down, and it was fucking Arizona and frequently 90-110* out when I was doing it.

I've since switched hunting loads, and my current rifle (despite an unlined stainless barrel) has 6000ish rounds through it with no discernible throat erosion. I know people who have 12,000 or more rounds through long-range target rifles in .243 but because they're shooting sedate loads with very slow powders in 30" barrels at a relatively slow pace, the barrels are in good shape.

So...depends on a lot of factors. .243 can be a HELL of a barrel burner, or it can last quite well.

Just ran across a CZ 550 FS in 6.5x55 for $760, is that a fair deal for them? I'm gonna try and get him closer to $700 on it.
It would pair so nicely with my 455 .22 FS

>>31005665
Yeah, it's a smaller .30-06 I feel. Versatile and can do quite a number on medium sized game.

Beautiful, the damage a well designed bullet can do to a deer. Pinhole entrances, 1-2" exits. Inside the vitals have all but liquified from the hit. Love it.

Best medium sized light deer calibers for me are in no particular order;
>.243/6mm
>.25-06
>.240/.257 weatherby magnum
>7x57

Makes my dick hard just thinking of all the beautiful rifles out there chambered in these. Each of these in a <7lb rigby design with crf mauser actions and sets of quick disconneted fixed power schmidt & benders are what I'd buy if I had 300k and didn't know what to do with it.

>>30994091

In my experience 300 win mag is a bit pointless. Get a .308 or get a .338 Lapua. The extra performance you get with 300wm is not really worth it.

There are some wonderful rifles chambered in it and it does perform well, but .338 performs better and .308 is much less of a hassle.

Those magnum cartridges will fry your barrels.

I WOULD recommend getting a .300 win mag can for your .308 though. Put my 300 can on my 308 savage as an experiment, and it turned into my favorite rifle.

>>31005978
>300 wm can on my .308 as an experiment
You put a .30 caliber suppressor on another .30 caliber? Wow so progressive, lmfao.

You do realize that you can interchange suppressors, right? Only thing that matters is the MAXIMUM caliber, anything below it will work fine. Gemtech, etc. all sell them designed as a one size fits all.

Buying something like a .22 sized suppressor is stupid and a waste.

>>31006125

That was kinda my point.

A .22 can is lightweight, great for making quiet plinking pistols. Generally I agree though.

>>31005881
Great rifle, great round.

>>31006125
what 22 suppressors have you used to make you come up with this conclusion?

>>31006216
>>31006153
>that was kinda my point
You were referring to it as a "300 can" as if what you did was ground breaking or amazing. There is no such thing as a ".300 win mag can", it's a .30 caliber suppressor. You can use it on anything below .30 caliber with no issues.

>what 22 suppressors have you used
What a shitty question. What are you trying to do, dismantle my credibility in order to win an argument? This isn't politics, these are facts.

>weight
Gemtech tracker is 11.2 oz. 7.9" long
Gemtech GM-22 (.22LR/.22WMR/.17HMR rimfire ONLY) is 2.5 oz. 5" long

So if 8.7 oz (roughly 1/2 lb) and 3" is something that affects you that much, then by all means buy one. Otherwise, in most practical situations there is absolutely no reason to.

>>31006962

>There is no such thing as a ".300 win mag can"

Look up the Omega 300. It's a can designed specifically for 300 win mag. If you put an HVT on a 300 win mag you run the risk of damaging the can. Stop starting shit over semantics, this is /k/ not /autism/.

Do you have anything of value to contribute?

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>>31005665

Thanks for the info. I guess it really depends on your accuracy standards too. I'm sure a .243 barrel can be hunting accurate for many thousands of rounds. Especially with the lighter loads you described.

>>31007113
>ITS A CAN DESIGNED FOR 300 WIN MAG!!!!
It's a fucking suppressor design and rated for high velocity loads up to 300 winchester magnum. It's not a fucking unique unicorn piece of equipment unusable for anything else, retard.

I'm sorry that I pissed on your amazing "experiment", einstein. You're a fuckin genius, I take it back.

>>31000464
Don't believe the "not free floated" may may.

>have cz 550 FS
>is floated
>shoots penny sized groups
>dat sweet 6.5x55

>>31006962
No, I don't need to dismantle it. I know you have none from the 'facts' you just gave.

You are literally telling people to go out and form 4 a sealed aluminum baffled centerfire suppressor for 22lr use.

That alone screams out to anyone who has experience with suppressors that you have none.

In addition to that depending on the host weapon the heavier suppressors can cause damage to the host. SS had been informed that individuals were experiencing frame cracks on Walther P22s from having heavier suppressors on the end. As a result of them telling me that I saved almost 400$ when I purchased 2 sco warlock IIs instead of 2 sco spectre 2s.

POI shift is also less as a result of a lighter suppressor too.

>>31007544
$700 flat sound good for a used one of those?

>>31007915
Yeah that's a good price

>>30995307

This is a good warning. If you buy a $400 rifle you're buying $400 worth of rifle in most cases. If you buy a $400 rifle and scope package you're paying for an undisclosed amount of not-rifle that is certainly cutting into the quality of your purchase.

>>31007891
You're discussing pistol supressors on light duty practice guns, moron.

None of that applies to a .308 vs .300 WM application, it's literally the same fucking thing besides velocity. It's not a modern feat of engineering to screw a suppressor from one .30 cal to another.

A .243 can use that same piece of equipment and have literally no negative side effect.

I used .22 LR as an obviously extreme example and it still stands when discussing rifles since this is a fucking general about that and not shitty .22 LR plinking pistols that surprisingly enough can't handle the extra weight like a full size duty pistol can (wow who would have guessed!?) I don't own a specific .22 LR suppressor, no, you're right about that. I don't fucking need one. I'm glad you use yours often enough to justify all the paperwork and expense just to play operator with sodacans.

>>31003210
>caliber isn't a good standard way to talk about cartridges/bullets at the same time

You are a contrarian asshole mang.

>>31008789
Also:
>implying a bullet doesn't do substantially different things with different loads which depend on those aforementioned headstamps

Anyone make 30-40 anymore? Or is it just a loaders cartrige? Alternately any 30.06 or 308 barrels for a Krag I can buy? It's already a sporter

>>31009614
I think remington might still make a 30-40 load.

I have a sporterized (shit) krag myself and it's a nice looking gun. Someone fucked up the trigger though, so it's kind of unsafe.

>>30994968
Care to post it again? For me?

>>31008757
DA there are two different anons you were talking to in regards to the suppressor comments. The first was the 300wm anon and me, the dedicated 22lr suppressor isn't stupid anon. Now that that is out of the way

So have you even shot a 22lr can or were you just talking out of your ass this whole time?

I don't need to pretend anything, and I have enough disposable income to get items I deem necessary for my shooting sports equipment.

Can you shoot 22lr thru most centerfire cans, yes. Do you want to give it a steady diet for the life of the can, no. So if you shoot 50 rounds of 22lr a year then sure put them thru your normal rifle can. If you put bricks of 22lr down range then you want something you can clean the lead out of and I wouldn't want to potentially keep lead acetate in my sealed centerfire cans if I used the dip to get the lead out from shooting too much 22lr.

Furthermore I have a trust and bought all my cans thru good dealers (SS & CA) so its been me paying for my can, sending the dealer a copy of my trust online and that is it. From the time I purchased the suppressors, the form 4s were sent to the NFA branch within 24hrs.

>>30994999
its designed for russian steel case, read its specs

>>31009816
I was addressing the guy that was saying you should go out and buy a dedicated suppressor for your first can, which I said was a bad idea.

As I said, if you use yours enough to justify the cost and to have negative affects with a larger one then go ahead and buy it. Otherwise for your average guy that might plink a brick of .22 every once in a while a super lightweight specialty silencer isn't what he needs.

I have shot a .22LR with a .30 caliber supp on it, I have never shot with a specialty one no. I never felt the need to. I don't shoot .22LR enough and the smallest gun I own is a .204 ruger that moves too fast for a rimfire suppressor and uses a gemtech one like the one I referred to.

http://www.gem-tech.com/store/pc/ONE-10p1146.htm

why would someone make 8mm mauser ammo and then label it "do not use in ww2 Mausers"?

>>31009977
Weak actions could lead to possible lawsuits, same thing with 7x57.

>>31009977
I've heard of that with WW1 model 89/98s, but not with the WW2 era guns.

Interesting.

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This is my introduction to precision shooting and 200+ yard hunting rifle. Before this I used iron sights or a fixed 5x optic on my PTR for deer hunting.

Opinions on the Rem 700 AAC-SD?

Prostaff 4-12, leupold one piece base, cheap bipod and cheap cheek rest.

>>31009614
Not really.

RWS does a limited run that's only sold in Europe every couple of years, and Remington seems to be batching out new-old-stock on occasion but isn't currently producing it (as of 2015).

Expect to pay around $2 a round when you can find it.

>>31010025
It's probably one of the better out of the box guns and nikon is pretty solid for the budget scope market. I got a couple of their prostaffs last year for some cheaper guns and was amazed at the clarity of the glass.

I like it.

>>31010025
The -AAC branded Remingtons get a little special attention for a lot of monies compared to a standard SPS, but seem to not have as many factory defects as main-production R700's. It's a fairly safe bet.

The Hogue stock is one of the best budget precision stocks going.

I'm not a huge fan of Nikon scopes. The glass quality is quite high for their price point, but their reticles are fucking retarded and I've had too many fail the box test even in their higher lines (Monarch 5, Monarch 7).

Personal preference here, but I'd put a second sling stud behind your bipod. I absolutely hate the feel of a slung rifle when it's slung off the bipod.

>>31010241
The bipod is uncomfortable when using the sling. I sort of ended up with the prostaff after a couple trades and figured it would be good enough for a start. I have a Primary Arms 4-16 on my AR-10 that I prefer but I would have to swap out the rings. Kind of an odd story. I had a Rem 700 30-06 sps in synthetic that had the Nikon on it. Some guy traded me the AAC for that sps bare rifles straight across. I just bought a short base and kept the rings and optic. I think he was retarded or something.

>>31010208
I had a 3-9 prostaff that the rubber power ring tore off of. I contacted Nikon and got a brand new scope without hassle. Good optics and good prices. I haven't gotten a mildot optic from Nikon but a mildot scope will happen some time. I'm pleased with this setup. I got a 3 shot group with holes touching last weekend.

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I took my rifle to the range again on my day off. 1st pic is 50 yards, second is 100 yards

After a week of dryfire practice I was able to tighten up my groupings at 50yds quite a bit (I don't even want to show you what they looked like last week) but at 100 yds I struggled a bit, part of it was that I couldn't really even see the bullseye, so I was just aiming for the middle of the black square. My question is

1.How much do I suck?

2.Given that I have a red dot sight on my rifle (basically I didn't have enough money for a good optic, so I figured I'd get a red dot sight that works, so i can have something to transfer over to a shotgun or something else once I do save up enough for a really nice scope. I wish this rifle came with irons, it is a ranch rifle after all.), How much tighter will I be able to get my groupings if I work more on my trigger pull, breath control, adjust my trigger (right now it's 6 pounds and pretty stiff) and maybe find the perfect ammo (60-70 grain seems to be that sweet spot) for my rifle?

Picking up a Swede M38 carbine in 6.5 swede this friday, should I just use irons and enjoy it or scope it? I feel like scoping it would heavily detract its value/appeal

>>31004841
I want a .17 but ammo is hard to find. Really wanted the accutrigger but the deal was there.

>>31010494
Assuming those are 1 inch grids, your groups are pretty poor, but you can do a lot better with that setup. Don't get discouraged by bad results, it takes time. If you're trying to practice precision shooting or anything like what PRS events do, get a bag rest for your rifle's rear end. Just having one up front isn't ideal. Aside from that, breath control and fixing your trigger would be my top recommendations. And shoot more. A lot more. Always practice.

>>30994145
I would agree mostly because 30-06 can be loaded hotter for more power at more range. Still for most fudd tasks the 308 is just fine for taking game even elk out to 300-350 yards. Plus if I were going for moose I would go with 300win mag anyhow even if it is doable with an 06 I would want to be able to get that moose even if I had to reach out to get it. 30-06 however does have the advantage of being more panic buy resistant while 308 on average is sliggtly cheaper. I perefer 30-06 but honestly 308 is fine for most stuff.

>>31010603
Once I move to a spot where I can do it I'm mostly going to use this rifle for plinking and casual shooting, maybe coyote or small hog hunting if I ever get the chance. Currently though the range closest to my place only allows bench shooting. I'm just generally trying to become a better shot.

>>31010575
the various .17's are a lot of fun but have some significant drawbacks.
>the cheapest ammo is still more expensive than steel-cased .223/5.56
>until you're upwards of the 25gr bullet in the .17wsm they all get completely BTFO by light wind
>.17hm2 ammo is fucking unobtainium
>no good hunting bullets in the .17's, they all explode violently (only important if you want to eat what you shoot), ruining any meat even with headshots on relatively large animals like jackrabbits
The last one is the reason my .17hmr has sat untouched in my safe for 2 years. Even the 20gr XTP's were taking the entire front half off jackrabbits at 50 yards with eye shots (which the rifle is more than capable of). The 15.5gr NTX's will literally vaporize squirrels and cottontails too, due to a combination of explosive fragmentation and significant kinetic energy due to very high velocity (2940fps @ muzzle).

>>30994145
This is true with handloads, but due to the prevalence of old rifles still in use, factory ammo is cold-loaded to approximately .308 levels (+/- 5%). Particularly the 150 and 165gr loads. The 180gr factory loads give about 10% more energy, but all of them recoil significantly harder than very comparable .308 loads.

>>31010494
Assuming that's a 2MOA dot in that red dot, you're not doing horrible but there is significant room for improvement.
>for that matter, why do you have a red dot on a boltgun?
In theory, you should be able to hold an approximately 2" group at 100 yards with that optic, and anything tighter than that is luck. That's due to inherent aiming error in an optic that covers a 2" circle on the target.

The horizontal dispersion of the shots speaks of trigger control issues (namely, too little finger on trigger). Maybe some breathing issues as well, with the 2 shots low right on the right-hand target.

If that's the rest you're using, IMO it's too tall. I like to practically lay out across the bench (which requires wide benches). 5-8" off the top of the bench seems to be a sweet spot for me, but this is personal preference. Seems to approximate a bipod from prone, which is what I'm most used to shooting.

Definitely get yourself a rear bag (rabbit-ear bag), Caldwell makes an okay one for like $12.

>>30994018
I got that Model 11 package recently and absolutly adore it. Reasonable cost and great performance for entry level, large caliber, bolt action.

>>31011103
The benches are very narrow there. The sandbag setup I had this week was definitely not the most comfortable. I pretty much use what's there. i could get myself a nice set of sandbags or a bench rest but I am moving soon so I don't want to buy myself too much shit until I move to Philly.

>for that matter, why do you have a red dot on a boltgun?

I wanted a scout rifle, but I also wanted something that fires cheap, readily available ammo so I could practice as much as possible.

>>31011321
>wanted scout gun
That's what low-power variables are for though.

Hell, there's some decent 1-4x's in the sub-$200 range even.

I dunno, you do you, just be aware that you're never gonna be able to shoot bugholes when your optic obstructs a 2" spot on the target.

>>31011362
>you're never gonna be able to shoot bugholes when your optic obstructs a 2" spot on the target.

I'm Ok with that for now. Eventually I'll save up and get a nice low power scope for it, or at least something with a 2X starting point. I just wanted something that would get me the same results as irons to start out with.

>>31007544
Oh man, I'm genuinely am very interested in the 550 FS in 6.5x55 SE.
What glass you use with it?

Looking at getting an optic for my Remington 700 AAC .308

> SWFA SS 10x42 Tactical Side Focus
> Vortex Viper HS 4-16x44 or 50 Deadhold BDC
> Vortex Viper 6-20x50 PA Mil Dot

>>31013007

My recommendation it to get something with a tree reticle, as you'll be doing a lot of wind holds with a 308 at long range.

A Vortex EBR-2 reticle, or Bushnell Elite with a G2DMR reticle will serve you well in the 6-24x50 magnification range. Paying extra for a FFP reticle is advised as well.

>>31002716

Norway is a bit too far, I'm in Central Europe.

Do you know how I could obtain a European Firearms card to bring a rifle from the US?

>>31013007
I'd avoid the Viper with the deadhold BDC. Seems like you're after something for tactical shooting, in which case a first focal plane scope with either an mrad or tree reticle will serve you best.

I like Vortex's mid-high end optics, and you've got some options.
>Vortex Viper HS LR 4-16x50 FFP
>Vortex Viper PST 4-16x50 FFP
>Vortex Viper HS LR 6-24x50 FFP
>Vortex Viper PST 6-24x50 FFP

While I like fixed power scopes for some forms of shooting, I think they're a handicap when doing tactical stuff. Takes me too long to find the target in the scope compared to dialing down, finding it, and using a throw lever to crank the magnification.

>>31009977
strange

WWII and post-war Mausers should be able to handle full power 8mm loads

>>31011049
God damn that was some explainin' I'll stick to my .22

>>31013049
Not the first anon but thx for the recommendations. I've got a tikka on the way and was looking for a good midrange scope to strap to it.

>>31011049
I've never used my .17hmr for rabbits, but the 20 gr xtps are awesome on javelina and bobcats. Drops them like rocks.

Not on the open plains so I've never had issues with wind like that either, but I've heard the same from others about shooting past 100 yards.

Ammo is plentiful here and about the same price as quality .22 is.

should I go for howa mini action .223 or mossberg mvp in .223? This is a plinking rifle...anyone handle either?

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>>30996902
ZRAK ON-76 is better scope.

>>30996919
Balkan War sniper; not bubba.

Working on the OP for the next thread.

Still need suggestions for links

>>31016347
>Balkan War sniper; not bubba.
Oh, I guess that's different.

https://www.classicfirearms.com/m98swedishmauser

go get em faggots, the sale goes live tomorrow at 2pm EST

>>31019112
>that price

lower by 200$ and I'll think about it. M96s go for around 400 on GB, and I don't think the m38 is worth 300-400 more than that.

>>31019148
i see you are pretty on the ball, the ones i am looking at on gunbroker right now dont seem to be in as nice condition though. still i think you are right they are overpriced

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>>30993955
Does anyone here have a Marlin XT-22? I love mine.

>>31019274
I just bought one just a couple weeks ago. Took it to the range and had some fun. I'm looking for an optic to put on it.

>>31019148
WTf theses fags will buy anything in this environment

>>31019274
The yugo-style semi-bent-but-not-really bolt handle bugs me, but they're accurate and cheap.
>tfw work for FFL
>tfw they go on sale for $119 around Black Friday and Christmas and I still won't buy one

>>31011049
My dad hunted prarie dogs with the .17 and he also said that was happening.

>>31013812
>javelina
And to think I've been shooting them with a .270...

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>>31019274
Got an XT22TSR. Currently just have a cheap 3-9x Bushnell on it. I use some 10mm irrigation tubing cut to length with end caps to make speed-loaders for the 17rnd 22lr magazine.

>>31007544
post your 550 pls

>>31021819
>>31021819
New

Trying out /mag/ - Manual Action General

Feel free to hate on the name, we're a pretty young general so we have time to change.

>>31016347
It looks like dogshit compared to a k4. Kill yourself, mall ninja.

>>31021484
>.270
Oh man, lol. That is way too much gun, takes all the fun out of it.

Javelina have shitty eyesight but great noses so the most challenging and fun way to hunt them is with hot rimfires like the .17hmr or a .22WMR and get in close (<50 yards) spot and stalk style. Hard mode would be using a handgun with open sights or a .410 with heavy shot.

Truth be told I only hunted the ones on my farm where I have my dogs and son running around all the time. They're dangerous, but really good looking creatures, IMO. They're amazingly fun to stalk and observe and have funny social exchanges that make it entertaining even just to watch. I won't shoot them out on bigger places that I use for hunting or grazing. I have a deep rooted passion for them even though I've shot the bag limit for the past 20 years.