Privat Bunker Thread

>>30915508
http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/

Hand tunneling and land you can dig on.

get to it

https://youtu.be/Q5-xnJCFgzY

http://www.ki4u.com/nwss.pdf

>buy plastic septic tank
>bury it
>install overpressure ventilation system
>make the entrance look like a regular septic tank entrance so you don't get too many prowlers

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>tfw no comfy bunker to crawl into when Armageddon is around the corner or just when you feel like being underground

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>>30917374

>>30917382
That seems quite cramped but I imagine with that you would stay in there for maybe a day or two

>>30917421
If the alternative is puking out your lungs, then typically you would.

But yeah, at the minimum bring one of those camping toilets that actually flushes.

quick question. how much do septic tanks go for? I would imagine using two with one as living space and the other as storage, then have something made from concrete at the entrance for the ladder and as a second layer of security between me and the mutants.

I've alwayd wondered, are the people on Doomsday Preppers /k/ommandos and /pol/acks? Striking similarities

>>30917421
Not if it's a fallout shelter. The rule is 2 weeks before the fallout has decayed to somewhat acceptable levels to resume normal outside activities.

>>30917466
The transportation costs are probably going to be high enough that it would depend on what part of the country you're in and what your local suppliers are like.

I would be at least a little spooked about pouring concrete onto something designed to have dirt on it, but I guess it'd weigh about the same.

You could probably pour in installments to reduce the pressure on the tank.

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>>30915530
They look comfy as fuck

http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/roc/db/988289358.037003.html

This is going for £30k in the UK

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muh dick

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432120/Cold-War-bunker-space-200-beds-goes-sale-575-000.html

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God help me but I want to do this someday with a sunken culvert shooting range vented into the chimney.

>>30917536
Steel tank into concrete

>>30917550
>god, you know what would be great in this confined space
>lead azide primers exploding

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>>30917553

Have you guys heard of the bunker in Irwinville Georgia? http://wnep.com/2015/11/24/take-a-look-inside-a-17-5m-massive-underground-bunker-in-georgia/

I always heard that you only need 18in of soil to survive the radiation, can anyone confirm?

>>30917562
It will need a hood fan for the cigar smoke and whiskey farts any way.

>>30915508
I'd rather die the quicker death of a nuclear bomb
Than dying the slowest death in a shoddy bunker that won't last a year

>>30917627
Most radiation is stopped by air.

>>30917686
yes, if you're just talking about energetic particles.

Problem is you'll have a layer of fallout which will be emitting all sorts of crap for about 2 weeks.

This is where the 18 in & stay indoors for 2 weeks figure comes from.

>>30917627
That kind of depends on where the nuke is, and what kind of nuke it is.

>>30917605
Bumping bc overlooked

>>30917718
only 2 weeks? why is anyone afraid of nukes?

The whole idea behind a backyard bunker was to keep u unexposed for about 2 weeks. Give or take. Then SUPPOSEDLY you are able to reemerge after fallout has disapated to manageable levels. There are DEFINITELY more than one variable in that stat that is completely subject to change

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>>30915508
It should be hidden in plain sight

>>30917766
good luck building and installing something, in plain sight

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>>30917748

>>30917748
It is a bit more involved than that to be fair. 2 weeks is when it's safe to go out for short periods of time.

It's tied to the specific half lives of the radioisotopes. Think about it, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were getting repopulated just a year or two after the bombs were dropped.

The hysteria comes about from the sheer volume that would be dropped if the cold war went hot and the associated destruction.

Would you want to have rebuild your house and bury a couple of your relatives just because some fuck in govt. decided the Russians have REALLY GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME GODSARNIT.

>>30917748
because depending on the kind of nuclear material used, it can stay radioactive for years.

dirty bombs are the worst

So, how long would you realistically be stuck underground?

>>30917882
>dirty bombs
They don't spread radioactive material further than the initial blast radius.

It's no more of a hassle to clean up after than it would be to rebuild everything in the blast radius if they spent their time getting more fertilizer instead of putting themselves on watch lists trying to get radioactive material.

They're fucking useless.

>>30917605
Bump for attention

>>30915508
if you are a religious man obsessing about end of days then by logic you would be a complete retard to even try since the bible did pretty much say your fucked even when you think you are safe.

>>30918324
Comfy

>>30915508
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO25JYAaJC0

this guy made a pretty fun one, even has 4-5 videos of the build process.

>>30917893
Reallisticley?...guys, can anyone say reallistic without getting fucked off by the truth that no one have or will have a nuclear shelter?

>>30918021
Some materials as that are forbidden, would me pretty much the same shit

>>30916433
I like how rounded out and homey feels cos pic relateds hanging on walls of pic related

wat is material of walls? some type of limestone perhaps...

>>30915508
The most tedious process is to make the pit, coul one make a shelter that is outside?

>>30917562
What is negative ventilation for $100, Mony?

>>30917470
sc/out/s

>>30918488
pretty sure thats the underground town of coober pedy in australia

>>30918524
What are you going to do until that kicks in.

>shoot
>oh well, if I breathe in the next 2 minutes or so I'll probably sustain mild brain damage
>smoke clears
>shoot another round

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1 word Dual use.

>>30918655
what do you mean kicks in, nagative pressure ventilation is always on....you fucking idiot.

>>30917848
Yes

>>30918655
Mild brain damage? Explain yourselve

I want one to keep an extremely young blonde man would she be safe and sound

https://youtu.be/7WTcc3XuLEM

>>30918952
I mean woman.....damn it.

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>>30917491
I meant doing something like putting in a manhole junction to serve as an entrance area.

Lay it in the order of:
>first layer: airtight hatch disguised as a septic tank opening
>second layer: manhole junction box with a basic decontamination shower and a place for clothes to be disposed of
>third layer: another hatch leading into tank one
>tank one with living areas, bed, and kitchen
>fourth layer: another hatch between tanks, would stay open for convenience but if there is a second wave of SHTF I will hole up in the store room.
>fifth layer
>section of concrete layed between tanks incase some one wants to bypass the tanks
>the section between tanks will have two hatches with locks for them on the store room side. if I am stupid enough to lock myself out of my supplies I deserve to starve
>second tank has food water(both bottled and from my houses well, diverted) has BOB if I need to leave, air filtration system piped in from an intake hidden in my crawlspace. Battery bank and inverter coming from solar and wind near my barn


The dream

>>30918324
>no shower
>no bed
maybe when I was in my teens I could still sleep on a love seat after binging on tv and video games, but now? fuck no.

>>30918500
I'm sure a reinforced concrete building can be built to withstand you habbening of choice.

>>30918966
Freudian slip?

>>30915508
I know only non bunker having faggots talk about bunkers onlne. Real bunker owners hide their power level, we all saw that one episode of twilight zone.

I enjoy the concept of underground living to a certain extent. I'd like to create a dugout or other sort of standard shelter one of these days if I can find an ample area of land and the proper soil for it.

>>30919038
I assume shower is part of bathroom. I've seen those before in RV's (combined shitter/shower).

At the very least need a murphy bed or something.

>>30915508
Are there any affordable pre-made solutions?
Most of the ones that I found were $20k + starting.

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>>30915508
completely useless as every prepper shit is

>>30915508
>> What does /k/ know or think about privat bunkers
Ive been inside a couple of the multi million dollar ones prepared for the elites. What would you like to know?

>>30919640
Seen any kinky sex rooms in them?

>>30919652
No but one did have a 100yd indoor range

Is it possible to build a bunker capable of sustaining yourself for the rest of your life? What would it need?

Water recycling system
Radioisotope thermoelectric generator for power
Underground greenhouse for air and food

>>30916109
pretty sure majority of people dont know what a septic tank looks like.

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why not dig deep and stack these bad boys?

>>30919865
that seems like a very good idea actually.

>>30919865
>>>/diy/

>>30919935
Except they arent rated to be buried, and will likely collapse.

>>30920019
then build a concrete roof slab over them and leave space between walls.

>>30919865
rust, mostly

>>30919865
the issue is not the weight from the top. they can take tons and tons on them with no issues. the issue is that the sides cannot take pressure at all. the sides will buckle in and then the top goes out without having proper support. you would have the sides go out on you then the roof fall in. bad way to die.

get a septic tank. built to be buried with decent space.

>>30920040
At that point you have invested as much as building the entire thing out of concrete

>>30920095
It's more than that. They can take the weight at the corners not uniformly on the top. To bury one you really have to put concrete and rebar over it that distributes the weight to the corners.

>>30920095
reinforce the sides then? chinese steel is cheap, just buy rebar and concrete. stop saying it cant be done, you're just not thinking outside the box.

>>30919702
>Water recycling system
no, you need a fresh water source. saw a video about the one that was an old missile silo converted into apartments, they had access to a natural underground spring or aquifer with several large holding tanks

>>30917787
Why would my neighbors care if I put in a septic tank?
/spoiler/ No one around me knows what one looks like /spoiler/

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>>30920019
i was thinking more like this.
depth of containers would only be about 50cm or so.
they'd sit on a foundation as well.

>>30920146
>reinforce the sides then? chinese steel is cheap, just buy rebar and concrete. stop saying it cant be done, you're just not thinking outside the box.

...shipping containers are like $2k a pop. They're cost effective if you're shipping things in them. They're not cost effective as a building material.

>>30920218
This really depends on your location.
Heavy soils that suck up a lot of water will crush this
Sand and lighter soils with little rain will survive this just fine.

I suggest a perimeter of French drains -> Polyethylene Sheeting -> treated post palisade. This will retain most soil and keep your container dry, bonus is that you could potentially expand the size of your area and resort to the container for just sleeping.

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>>30920218
>>30920290
>>30920307

>>30920218
They aren't rated for the weight of being buried.
They would rust out eventually too.
Dig a hole, build a form, pour a real basement.

>>30920218
>shipping containers collapse hard well before 16 inches
>lets throw 19 inches on top...

>>30920333

if you dig a big hole and reinforce the sides, you're 90% of the way towards building an actual bunker. why would you buy 6k worth of rusty boxes and rent a crane and an 18-wheeler to move them to your property when you could just build a proper ceiling?

>>30920333
You're missing the point. Unless you live basically in the same city as a a shipping yard, you're going to be paying more traditional building methods, usually twice as much

>>30920404
this. so much this. They aren't all that much cheaper. and if you really want to be a freak, make it your house. Just do it nice and do it right and live down there with a nice barn or something with solar, wind, and a filtered water supply. Keep an area you live in(nice apartment size) with a sizeable(not excessive) area for storage and the power/utility equipment.

>>30917470
Nothing like us. They half way through the first season they started cherry picking the most extreme mentally challenged preppers they could find.
Then there is the contract they make the preppers sign. I could type out two or three posts over what I know about that. Disgusting and wrong.

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>>30919038
Unlike me, the couch pulls out.

>>30920466
>just live in the bunker

I really like this idea.

>>30919865
Could drop a camping trailer in there while your at it. all you will need is something to support the walls

>>30920537
>Could drop a camping trailer in there while your at it. all you will need is something to support the walls

just build a big culvert in the side of a hill and drive the trailer into it

>>30918368
When he was talking about defense, I honestly expected an 870 or a 500 hung on the wall

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>>30920471
Please do.

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>>30915508
I love these threads.

If only I had the money I'd get one of these bad boys.

>>30918324
I understand it's mostly artistic but I like to nitpick. Bathroom should go in the corner to give more usable space. The desk lamp should be wall or ceiling mounted to save space. Preferably the build in ceiling lights would be enough. Put the ceiling lights in the center and diffuse them for better lighting. Paint the walls weight to reflect light better and reduce electrical usage.

Also I don't see shoes anywhere so that means that scrub has his dog-poop-stepping shoes on the couch.

>>30919038
>>30919407
I assume the couch folds out into a bed.

>>30920471
>>30917470
It's been proven that they manipulate what the people on Doomsday Preppers say, to make them sound exceptionally paranoid and mentally unstable and some other fucked up shit.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rockbeyondbelief/2012/02/08/how-nat-geo-misrepresented-the-foxhole-atheist-doomsday-prepper-megan-hurwitt/

>And something that Nat Geo didn’t mention? The producer offered me $1,000 to shoot my cat on camera.

>>30920668
not surprising at all, all "relaity shows" are scripted to a degree.

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>>30920645
mfw that is better than my house

>>30920681
Yeah, Sootch actually got invited to be the first Pilot Episode of Doomsday Preppers but he didn't like the thought of someone twisting his words and portraying his family in a poor light.

https://www.youtube.com/user/SensiblePrepper

>>30915508
If they're done right, great! But honestly most of these fucker are shooting themselves in the foot by making their LONG TERM living space mentally torturous by making it too small, or not making it 'homey' enough

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>>30920690
Dude, we have only begun to envy.

>>30920725
>>30920690
>>30920645


guise check out Rimworld on Steam if you're into games.
Looks like it could be your thing.

building survival shelters n hunting n shit and much more, great game

>build above ground structure in woods.
>turn it into hill by covering with dirt.
>become hobbit.

Feasible idea?

>>30920818
yes. people have done it, except in the woods part.

>>30920818
from what I've heard: actually is. just use concrete walls with a metal lining and you should be set. Frankly, I'm the paranoid sort and would probably want the metal layer to be lead.

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>>30920744
That's pretty neat.

>We Vault Tec now
>pic related

>>30920903
>>30920910

Sounds a lot cheaper than getting a digger to create a giant hole.

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>>30921022
Well, to be fair, you're still going to be using a digger, or rather scooper to get all that dirt, rocks, and gravel to cover your shelter.

Which is partially why my (realistic) shelter concept would be partially buried.

Plus, when it's time to rebuild my society, I can use the hill the bunker forms to make a keep for the village! (not really)

>>30916068
what song is that?

>>30919618
>useless
Remains to be seen anon.

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post your shelters

>>30919618
wouldn't say useless since you can live in a bunker or just use it as an extra room for your house.

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>>30917528
cooooool..
imagining rows of guns and ammo
and racks stacked with water food supplies

>>30920982
I'm currently drawing up plans to make a vault-like bunker. Currently for shits n gigs. But optimistically in 10ish years time, I think I may build it. There's a couple logistical things I'm trying to work out, but other that those things the idea is 100% plausible, and couple potentially allow multiple people to live in there for years.

>>30921183
haven't played since my vault maxed out, hows the questing system?

>>30915508
Most people seem to make them too small, too shallow, and with too little extra survival resources.

There's a chance you're going to be stuck in this thing for a very long time with exit meaning death. You should probably at least have multiple larger rooms so you don't go completely stir crazy in a month in your very own personal jail cell. Always stock more than you think you'd need, you'll probably need it.

>>30921365
pretty cool. almost got everyone decked out in blue gear. if you want a real challenge, play survival mode. also, this is on pc now.

>>30916433
averagegreekhome.jpg

>>30920725
wow
its literally an entire house square-footage-wise

>>30921365
not him, but I find it decently enjoyable. Only problem is the time gates. And the limit to how many dwellers you can have questing at a time. (I think three max with a maxed out overseer's office)

Dwellers you have just exploring the wasteland have a chance to come across a place for a solo mission, but it's like once per-day. Period. (no multiple solo quests from multiple dwellers)

Something to note is that on quests, Agility probably becomes second most important stat after Endurance (and that's mostly for when you level) since Agility will dictate how often you can attack with a weapon.

>>30921183
>tfw my vault's currently a fucking mess in rooms
>been saving up to reorganize that shit but also waiting to finish building stats of my dwellers
>now have over 120k caps

I think maybe I should just bite it and start my remodeling.

>>30920404
>>30920466
I think it's mostly just for having the soundness of mind of knowing you have metal walls. Though I'm pretty sure you could just line your normal walls with some sheet metal and that would do it.

i've heard from some folks on /diy/ that you honestly don't even need metal, even in the case of a nuclear attack or anything like that.

>>30915508
I suppose that leads into the big question: what would you be building for, /k/?

Me? I'm nearly schizophrenic levels of paranoid. So my dream shelter would be designed for the works.

But it's not nuclear radiation from bombs I'm worried about, it's that in any nigh end-game scenario, there's going to be not that many people around to maintain nuclear power plants. Without people to maintain them or shut them down, they're going to melt down, right? And once they melt down, that's gonna be a lot of radioactive material getting it's way around.

And then afterwards I'd like my bunker to be stocked so I'm not just safe, but can help set up the corner stones of a survivor community.

But realistically, my concern is a big earthquake.

>>30921451
well, it's as >>30921392 said: with an apocalypse shelter, you want to build and stock for far more than you'll need, even at a minimum, you're going to be stuck down there for 3 weeks, if it's the Wyoming Super Volcano Scenario (look up Yellostone Super Volcano) then you're looking at at least three months (because while you might be prepared for the ashfall, the ensuing 'nuclear' winter is going to hell), depending on your region of the world.

So, like the Akula submarine, you want to basically stock at least a year's worth of food and water per-person you plan to have in the shelter, and have plenty of space to move around in and keep entertained.

Though ideally, one should probably stock up on how-to books and put in a gym to spend their free time in their shelter preparing to rebuild.

(Sources: my fucking ass. sorry. I'm running on Greek Philosopher information)

>>30921476
Unless they're build by Russians with 1980s quality control, the reactors should shut down automatically in the event of an emergency.

>>30921328
aawwwwwyeaaah
do it

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>>30917595
That TP storage

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>ITT beep

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>>30921144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3CNA8dZiEA

>>30922081
you're nothing short of an angel, mate.

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I'm wondering if it would be possible to make a bunker out of one of these water tanks,(Preferably the widest one in the middle)? It wouldn't be stronger or anything. But it would be readily available I think in terms of instalation? And If it wasn't strong enough you could just pour cement around it and extend the hatch.

>>30920645
What is the point of having two bathrooms and two kitchens down there?

>>30922866
There's two pairs of bunks near the entrance and assuming the Queen Sized bed isn't purely an exercise in excess, then you're looking at six people living in there.

>>30921561
I'd ask about potential damage to those but I feel it's safe to assume those reactor fail-safes would not be built delicately.

That is one more peace of mind.

>>30922585
Well concretes density is the same as aluminium. So that should be fine. I would still put a layer of concrete then some thick plastic foil and then again a laywr of concrete. If you buy led lamps you can di pretty fine.

>>30920668
>patheos

I'll take your word for it.

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>>30921328
When I get a working schematic up (this weekend project) I'll post it to both here and /diy/ and get some inputs. As >>30921392 mentioned, most people make them too small. That's one of the big issues. This will not be small. Minimal, but will have all of the essentials, excess power back, water and food storage, etc. I think the biggest issues to overcome are things not many people will think about; where do you plan on putting waste water? If people are shower, how will the water be pressurized?

>>30922039
I'm surprised any of the Fallouts haven't had a parody / reference to that, as that could really make for an interesting vault experiment in-game.

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What about vehicles for after you survive the fallout?

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>>30925036

>>30925008
Either some oil diesel vehicle. Or if you have solar panels or something an electric vehicle might be a good option. But it's probably a few years until electric is reliable enough.

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Personally I would pick something with more comfort.

>>30925008
Anything that is reliable and can carry alot of stuff. And gas. You have to take every drop of gas you can. Withour gas your car is useless. So a big reservoir for all gas you can collect. A ford galaxy or similar is a good start. I got an peugeot 5008 and its a great car with enough space for 4 people to sleep in. Evrathing else can be drawn in a cart behind

>>30920663
>Also I don't see shoes anywhere so that means that scrub has his dog-poop-stepping shoes on the couch.
Yeah, americans do that.

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Assuming the world hasn't fallen into chaos and people aren't fighting for the remaining resources after everything got destroid.
But rather most people are working together to rebuild.
Still think fuel will be a limited resouce that people will horde first.

>>30920681
Only clapistanian ones.

>>30916109
>be me, septic survivor
>base at the ready, comfy and well ventilated
>hear ominous scraping at door
>everyoneelsegonewithblastwave.avi
>hesitantly turn on CCTV monitor while mixing some tangy tangerine
>it's him
>the shit spewer
>the rumors about a septic tank terrorizer are true
>stories of a man that digs up septic tanks to Feed on the desiccated doodoo of the dead, all true
>with a mighty squeal the septic tank door opens and the slaughter commences.

>>30919702

Fresh water on top of the water recycling

Waste management
>inb4 "fertilizer"
>realistically speaking that's a fantastic way to sick yourself to death

Some form of protein source that's not plant based

Some proper light for dat Vitamin D

Space, lots of it. Cabin fever is a consequence of understimulation. The best solution would be an interconnected underground network of bunkers, at least the size of a village

That would solve the next issue: socialization. Whatever spergs try to claim, it's as much a human need as food and air

Space to expand, bc at some point your underground villagers are going to start reproducing

Constantly checked and mantained sealing so water can't filter in. Ask anyone who works on underground anythings; water ruins your shit

Redundant safety systems for the food/water/energy production

Anti seismic protection. Fire extinguishers. Containment methods for disease/noxious elements. Basically every anti catastrophe protocol under the sun and then some to account for limited space

Probably a shitload more, but that's just the basics

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>>30925250

I fucking lol'd :D

>>30920818

Not only feasible, you'd save a fuckload of cash on insulation, heating, cooling, and you could filter rain water directly into your house

>>30917742
>>30918275
Kill yourself

>>30919618
Dumb AR poster.

>>30920645
>Corner shlef

>>30919865

much easier to just use steel corrugated culvert that's cheaper and was designed to be underground.

>>30925250
underated

>>30916433
Nice ISIL apartment

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Realistically you have a couple options:
0. Septic tank. Issues include size and anchoring. You generally wouldnt want to be inside a septic tank for more than a couple days. It is probably pretty cheap but you sacrifice space and durability
1. PSP construction out of the $50 underground home book. Issues include longterm durability, fire and being 100% sealed. It is the cheapest and easiest method
2. Steel Culvert . Issues include longterm durability, water and fabrication/installation. It is the cheapest traditional design
3. Self poured concrete slabs. Issues include you (you probably dont understand concrete), concrete delivery and cost. This will get you a decently durable bunker at a decent price, it can also fuck up horribly.
4. Self poured ICF Concrete. Issues include cost of the forms, delivery of the concrete and cost of the concrete. This removes a lot of the guesswork from concrete and you are less likely to have an ICF wall blow out
5. Professionally poured concrete. Primary issue is cost, secondarily you have to deal with the fact that you just told everyone at the concrete company that you have a bunker with the hatch located here. Upside of things is that this is nearly foolproof and you can easily configure it to your design
6. Prefabricated concrete/concrete culverts. Issues include installation, water and cost. This method provides rapid installation with fewer contractors than a traditional pour, you also get the advantage of a seriously modular design
7. Utility Vaults. Problems are: Cost, size and installation. Advantages come mainly from the fact that nobody looks twice at a utility vault being installed and most companies will bring one out and install it without issue
8. Block wall construction. Issues: leaks, strength and roof construction. Block walls provide the advantage of easy individual construction and very few questions when materials are sourced.
9. Bermed aboveground buildings might also work but you can imagine the issues

>>30918929
The side effect of Pb poisoning is brain damage. When you fire your raifu indoors its releasing Pb into the air. This is not harmful if you are outside, or in a ventilated shooting range, but in a small box you'd be fucked after a while.

This is why you are supposed to wash your hands after shooting/before eating.

>>30917656
You actually don't need your bunker to last a year. Just three to four weeks for the worst of it to go away.

At least assuming you're at least a mile or three from the blast radius.

>>30917848
quite honestly, half of my concern would be more those same governments that got everyone else blown up would still be power and ready to do it again.

>>30926081
valuable information, man. You're not that guy from /diy/ who has been working on their own bunker, are you?

>>30925304
>Space, lots of it.
Not him, and not intending to live underground forever, but I am curious about how much space you would recommend for maintaining about a month long-lock down period per-person?

I feel like building maybe 16 square meters per-person would give each occupant enough elbow room in the shelter to breath. (oddly though, I imagine in single-person scenarios, more space would actually be needed because, like you said, socialization)

>>30926287
>. You're not that guy from /diy/ who has been working on their own bunker, are you?
No

>>30915530
Wow, this is amazing.

>We Ship worldwide
perfection, my tin foil hat got 10 centimeters bigger

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>>30919865
oh boy here we go again

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>>30919618
Looking at this pic makes me realize I haven't gotten action since February. I was into the topic too, but that ass done fucked me up. I'm going to have to pound one out before I can continue on here.

>>30920706
didn't our fav autist Nutin get an invite to one of those shows? or was it when the shooting shows were all the rage?

I wonder how deep area 51 is.
Hangar S4 was built into a mountain
Inb4 HANDS!!! HANDS!!

>>30921115
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_castle

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hate to shit rain on your parades but concrete is a no go unless you got a shit load of money. Average cost of crete is about $100/ yard (in wisconsin, contractors rate, will cost an individual more) next your gonna have to have steel rebar to reinforce it. Sure you can pour your footings and floor by yourself pretty easy, tricky part is walls. The main reason we have pre made wall forms is the pressure that builds up while the concrete is being poured and cures. Ive seen guys get messed up because someone forgot 1 tie and a whole wall blows out. (this usually wastes all your concrete too) You will need to use a vibrator (yes its exactly like it sounds but with a 1.5 horse motor instead of AA's) to ensure that your concrete spreads even in the wall or you will get holes and air pockets (this weakens the concrete). The roof is gonna be a real bitch because again, you will need to reinforce the forms to prevent Blowoutsoonstalker.webm.
Unless you have the excavation tools, forms, know how and drive, have a contractor build it, chances are they're gonna think your crazy but as long as the check clears we dont give a fuck.

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>>30928578
I guess I'm talking to myself then just like when I relax on chaturbate.
Inb4 my employee application is rejected indefiently

Yeah I don't get it there are dulce archuleta mesa deep underground military base then Nevada air base area 51 wright Patterson has some publicity but that's amounting to a lot of interest generated by what I suspect is advanced weapons systems and experimental aerial deployments

Inb4 my lack of melanin and mutated baby blues catch up with me

I know a guy, nice guy. He owns a shelter made for short term use for his family. When the time comes I am taking my rifle and locking him out. He is anti gun/anti hunting so it will be both easy and he will only have himself to blame.

Cost of this? Not anywhere near the cost he paid lol.

>>30928732
When I meant generated I mean why am I so broke besides having no education and no job

>>30926287

Well, how much space exactly is necessary is actually a hotly contested debate in architecture. If you're looking at long term habitation - which anything more than a week or so certainly is - then you'll need to turn to architectural philosophies in military and civilian housing.

When designing a sub, for example, the living space is diminutive, but the large working areas make up for it. In civilian utilitarian housing, you could do worse than reading up on Le Corbusier and what he thought about functional abodes that still managed to be pleasant to live in. He's the guy that famously said "a house is a machine for living".

What everyone seems to agree in, though, is that necessary living space doesn't scale proportionally with the number of inhabitants. Given that you're already assigning space for storage, hygiene and other essentials, something like 20 sq metres might do well for small groups, like a family. Smaller still is indeed possible, a couple could live in 16sq metres, but within a month you'll kiss the ground when you get to go out.

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>>30925008
>open air van
>after nuclear fallout
Not the best idea. Something like
>>30925072
or pic related would be better.

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>>30925072
that would be an absurdly wide van. It does look livable though

I would get swivel seats in the front and sit there instead of on a floor chair.

>>30929170
fortunately nuclear fallout isn't as big a deal as movies/games make it. A couple weeks and it'd be safe to venture outside. Much of the fallout is washed away by rain

>>30929191
Not much, but most. And that's the key word. You're still going to have radioactive rain, vapor, debris, dust, pollen, aerosol, etc.

And it's still enough to mutate your sperm cells. You gotta protect your balls, man.

>>30918324
Dat Fallout Vault aesthetic

>>30928812
thank you, that's really insightful to know. I do know that, in a weird way, part of why you'd want a bunker larger than a normal house is because, with a normal house, you can always step outside to get space. While in a post-apocalyptic scenario, you might not always have that luxury and even if you do, it might still involve a lot of hassel. (hazmat wear, decontamination, probably want to keep check books so people inside will notice you've been gone for a little too long, other gear, etc.)

>>30925008
I'd probably use something like >>30925018

Except a bit less loaded down unless I was packing up.

Gasoline will be in short supply, even if you do find some it's might have 'gone bad' unless stabilizer was mixed in before shit hit the fan.

>>30925250
Reminds me of that Fallout Vault /v/ or /vg/ made.

>>30929249
I'd ask if a lead cup would be necessary but I don't think that will actually help.

So, about how long before things like radioactive rain and shit die out? Doesn't sound like it should last more than a year.

>>30928659
I feel like you need to keep the experimental shit further away from the regular populous to keep them from catching on.

>>30928659
An issue with that would be parking, if you see 50+ cars parked outside a cabin in the mountains, then you know something is up. It would be smart to pose the cabin as a junk yard but then scavangers would find the base out while looking to scavange

>yfw you dont give a shit about shtf but want a gamer station to be left alone so you can shitpost and play your pirated vgames, read mangos, and watch moey animus.

Would be useful for tornado types though.

Watch movies while sirens go off.

The battlestation/bunker threads would be cool.

What do you do with all the pee bottles and soda bottle? Will my Super speed internet slow down underground?

You might want a human powered dynamo because

>cheap energy
>gives people something to do

Especially if it's a treadmill or something.

>>30929249
>>30929723
>So, about how long before things like radioactive rain and shit die out? Doesn't sound like it should last more than a year.
Civil Defense says 2 weeks
https://youtu.be/pFddUOg4gQg?t=813

>>30915508
what stops the heat and pressure from coming down the air vents? or melting everything shut?

>>30930687
Right angles

>>30930687
If you're close enough for the bomb to cook you, a home shelter probably isn't going to save your ass.

A shelter can survive blast wave pretty well though.

>>30930382
I have some rather bad news.

If it's bad enough that you need to hide underground, the power is probably going out, and your ISP is probably going to lose the ability to provide service.

>>30916433
Is that Coober Pedy?

>>30926495
I have a sudden urge to reinstall gmod.

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>>30919702
>Radioisotope thermoelectric generator for power

Wait for them to go on sale.

>>30928631
That's a good no-bullshit setup right there.

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>>30920404
>>30920419

I'm no expert on shipping containers but there's a local bar & grill that expanded into smoked meat meals and they run it out of three 40' shipping containers in the parking lot (one is converted into the smoke house / kitchen and the other two for firewood storage) and the owner told me they cost him $800 each (metro Detroit here).

I've been trying to convince my buddy, who leases a 40 acre hunting property to get a 10' shipping container (not common but available) to use as a secure shed for his tree stands, picnic table, lawnmower and all the other stuff you don't want to haul back and forth.

>>30931267
yeah they can be a great deal if you get them at the right time, but you're looking at $2k a container normal price

I don't have the spreadsheet anymore but I did the research into all of it + shipping and found the break-even for my area was about $1400 per container

desu if you're going for it just go for refrigerated or insulated containers to shortcut your finishing work

but it's just way too easy to do a stick built structure and pour concrete. or get those concrete-mold legos (Insulating Concrete Form)

>>30920818
Urfship?

>>30919702
>>30925304
Start by looking at naval ships. Subs, in particular. They've already solved a lot of the issues you're talking about. Hellishly expensive, but solved nontheless. NASA is working on the same issues against the day we send a manned expedition to Mars.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2

Will give you an overview of some of the issues and pitfalls you'll be dealing with. Also gives a good estimation of space needed.

It's not totally impossible, expense is the biggest hurdle. At a guess, I'd say start with a basic modular shelter. Couple of sections of box culvert, maybe. Outfit it as a 1 month shelter. Then, as time and money allow, add more modules. Each module adds another function to the overall complex until you have a working closed system. And you'd better have redundancy out the ass.

Do all of the research before you ever stick a shovel in the dirt. Mistakes are easier to fix on paper than they are when they're 15 feet below grade.

>>30920040
Or you could just cut to the chase and use sections of box culvert, which is actually designed to be buried. It'll be cheaper, too.

>>30922866

2 is 1, 1 is none.

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I always wondered about one thing: how do bunkers deal with getting oxygen in and CO2 out? I mean, what kind of a filter can clean irradiated particles out of air? how would you set it up and how would you change that filter? what if the motor or anything else in that chain dies, do you suffocate down there? what if the intake gets clogged by debris? what if raiders or muties come and see your poorly masked intake/exhaust and oxygen-starve you out of your bunker?
>tl;dr: walls and supplies are fine and all, but air seems to be the priority and also the weakest link in the system, how to secure lung-food?

>>30932084
that's really depressing
>if 2 = 1 and 1 = none, that means 2 = none
>redundancy is futile :'(

>>30930948
>he doesn't have IP over HF connection to Canada
Just kidding. Most servers and websites are in the US, and so are the fiber backbones to other continents. Everything would be fucked

>>30932606
Literally just a typical particle filter, it's stupid easy

>>30919865
Only meant to bear weight on the 4 corners. Put dirt on it, and it will collapse.

Definitely get a stationary bike hooked up to a power crank though so you can get exercise while building up power. And make it a habit to go to the book store and pick out two or three used books to not read and set them aside in the bunker.

You'll need exercise and novelty.

>>30933038
A well/ spring independent source of water can turn a water wheel. You'll probably need a hydroponic growing room too, ideally something you keep and practice for years before permanently moving innabunker.

Maybe a computer program that weighs and tests your feces and body mass every week, tells you when to plant things, when to eat things, when to clean things, how much to pedal the power bike, something that monitors water quality before every day, busy yourself with the chores of maintenance. Cycle your hydroponic crops, it'd be hard finding new soil. Use clover on and off, maybe keep bees in a module near your hydroponic garden. Maybe have some access to open earth you can dig in and test to be sure it's not contaminated before potting each new "season."

To me survival will depend on maintaining routine and cleanliness, discipline, and finding something positive to do every day. Plant new seeds, experiment with filtration methods or use a drone to explore the outside world. Maybe grow some strains of weed down there and try to make super bunker weed strains idk.

>>30933148
You had me at post-apocalyptic hotboxing.

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In hindsight fallout shelters were more peace of mind then survival.

If the environment outside the fallout shelter was so toxic no living thing can survive then being stuck in a shelter the size of a jail cell isn't much better. Most people would slowly starve to death or kill themselves out of boredom/depression.

Most anyone ever needs today is a SHTF hideout. The cheapest way to achieve that is buying a cargo container and modify it into a liveable shelter.

Find a secluded piece of land with tree thickets and hide it there.

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>>30933249
Live in shelter for a year then...

>>30933237
Could be bad for filtration systems, and a fire would be so so so bad. Use edibles instead!

>>30915530
Holy moley that looks more comfy then my current house layout.

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>>30933282
banner ad on site.

>>30933260

Government bunkers maybe but an average job citizen couldn't live years in a 500 square foot bunker.

Just imagine how it would be like living in an apartment with no windows, no cable TV or internet. All you have is a few books, DVDs, and some board games.

You'd got insane from boredom and want to kill yourself from depression.

>>30933341
You are posting this on 4 chan it's not that big of a change for most.

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>>30925008
>vehicles
Ausfag here, can't speak for the rest of the world's market but we get a pretty big variety of cars.
>european cars
German reliability is a meme and French/Italian cars are garbage.
>exceptions?
Land Rover Defenders do live up to the hype

>american iron
American cars have a pretty bad reputation for reliability here as well, but we only really have post-2000 models.
>exceptions
The Jeep Wrangler is a car I'd happily rely on as long as I can stock up on a few spare parts and the fluids for it

>'strayan cars
Commodores and Falcons are a diamond dozen, but I'd take any Commodore over the best Falcon in the country if society went sideways. VN to VY model Commies in particular, all the engines are solid and the trans is decent. VE-onwards is garbage, and do not think for one second of getting an Astra, Vectra, Fiesta, Focus, or any of those horrible euro-rebranded small cars. Utter trash.
>exceptions
XF Falcon for Mad Max shenanigans, and some Holdens are rebadged Isuzus, so they're okay

>nippon steel folded 1000 times
Jap cars are great until you have to fix them, then they're usually cunts to do anything major on in regards to engine bay work. In terms of reliability, parts availability, and ease of working on: Toyota>Honda>Mitsubishi>Nissan>Mazda>Suzuki
Jap cars are best from 1985 until ~2005, then they start getting crammed with unnecessary electronics and engine bay design goes to hell
>exceptions
COMMON RAIL/DIRECT INJECTED DIESEL IS A BAD MEME. Do not buy or consider stealing any new 4x4 or pickup truck that has DI if you intend it to last.

>>30933443

Most people on 4chan would kill themselves without Internet access

>>30933620
BRB gonna chop some fiber optic

>>30933620
Connect cables with other bunkers and make a new internet.

If the Cubans can do it, why can't we?

>>30931132
>>30919702
you have to tell /r9k/ about this.

>>30933697

>fucking raiders are shitposting all over prepchan again.

>>30922959
Those are plastic tanks, bud...

>>30929171
>Swivel seat
>Remove passenger seat
>Install computer desk where passenger seat was
>Don't even have to get up.

>>30933292
kek own undeground gas chamber

>>30926081
Mate concrete elements are nowhere near as modular as in-situ concrete and you will get a much better seal when using in-situ concrete. Concrete elements are only really usefull and cheaper used in large quantities, meaning noone hete is gonna benefit from that

>>30920019
you just turn them upside down and have less earth on top than the weight the container was rated for.

>>30936282
>Mate concrete elements are nowhere near as modular as in-situ concrete
I said traditional pours as in standard plywood forms that are removed after setting

>>30926081
What do you mean by durability?

Like, a septic tank is designed to be buried for decades at a time without leaking shit everywhere.

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>>30925250
Capped

>>30932606
>what kind of a filter can clean irradiated particles out of air?
A u-bend and mass.

>>30936493
>Like, a septic tank is designed to be buried for decades at a time without leaking shit everywhere.
Septic tanks have ballast issues and they are usually designed to contain poop and not people/fire and protect the people/stuff inside from bad dudes

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Schoolbus. $.10/lbs. Dont need to run, domed roof, solid steel. Rolls into your trench, installs with a pickup truck and tow chain. Sits on wheels in hole creates instant sump/storage.

>>30932606
>how do bunkers deal with getting oxygen in and CO2 out?
Chemical and/or biological scrubbers.
Chemical for when you lack power, biological for when you don't. (photosynth needs light)

> mean, what kind of a filter can clean irradiated particles out of air?
Please understand radiation... Just watch a few videos and read an paper or two.

>what if the motor or anything else in that chain dies, do you suffocate down there?
What if your food spoils, do you die? Only if you were stupid and didn't plan properly.

>what if the intake gets clogged by debris?
You clear it. Radiation doesn't instantly kill you. If it clogs immediately because the designer was a complete idiot, then you ideally wait a few hours or so for the radiation for drop to somewhere between 0.5x and 0.05x of what it was and then quickly clear the issue. Worst case scenario in about 20-40 years you will have a mild to moderate increased risk of cancer.
Ideally you would just use scrubbers inside the bunker and wait 2 weeks and then just wash away any particles around the bunker for about an hour a day before going back inside.

Radiation is really not an issue if you are already properly prepared for a natural disaster other than a fire.

>what if raiders or muties come and see your poorly masked intake/exhaust and oxygen-starve you out of your bunker?
Don't rely on one... Let them die from not even bothering to minimize exposure.
In the event of a nuclear event, most niggers in america will be dead soon after. They wouldn't be able to suppress their looting urges for even an half an hour, so they would get somewhere between thousands and millions times more doses than you or I.

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>>30933581
Well, noting this input for the future. I'm still conscious of gas mileage since I think common gasoline will deteriorate after like three weeks unless burned or stabilizer is used. If not less time.

>>30933038
Solid ideas, especially using the bikes to generate extra power, though I'm not sure you could use it as a permanent source without cutting into your necessary caloric upkeep.

But, hey, I'm an Amerifat so I could probably spend a few weeks doing the exercycle power thing if it helps my shelter buddies. All I have to lose is... about ninety pounds.

>>30931816
>look into subs

I so wanted to do this myself.

My dream fallout shelter would have basically just been burying an Akula sub after removing the missile launchers and such from it to make more room for living and life support.

I mean I'd consider just keeping the damn thing active and wait out the apocalypse in the water, but I don't know how to operate a nuclear sub (and I don't know anyone who does) and I was thinking of using the ballasts as extra rooms.

>>30917480
Rule of Sevens nigga.

90% of radiation will dispate in the first seven hours.

99% of radiation will dispate in the first 49 hours.

99.9% of radiation will dissipate within the first 343 hours (2 weeks).

Depending on location and severity of the blast, you may need to only take shelter for a day or two, two weeks is the max (unless you live in target rich area, like Washington DC or the Dakotas, in which case you are completely fucked).

>>30937730
> I think common gasoline will deteriorate after like three weeks unless burned or stabilizer is used. If not less time.
Unless it's in the tank of a car that's been sitting exposed to the elements for 6+ months, gas will typically be 'okay' for use in EFI cars for 1-2 years. Diesel will last even longer if stored in a properly sealed tank.

>>30933620
>implying I wouldn't just play dwarf fortress and read survival PDFs for a couple months to plan out the post-apocalyptia city I'm going to build
There's more electronic entertainment than just the internet, you know.

>>30938136
What's out in the Dakotas?

>>30933734
Good idea. If SHFT I'd have to cram another person in there, so I was thinking that a laptop would mount on the ceiling and the monitor would swing down. Keyboard/mouse are stashed elsewhere

>>30937066
The best protection is looking like a septic tank.

People don't tend to run around digging up septic tanks during natural disasters.

And I think poop is actually a bigger structural load.

>>30917627
1" of lead
12" of reinforced concrete
36" of tightly-packed soil
~8' of water

>>30917718
You don't need 18" for fallout. Loose clothes are good enough.

The threat from fallout is breathing it in; it can do a heck of a lot of damage from the inside. So, masks, filters, safety glasses, etc., for yourself, and duct tape and plastic sheeting for your windows and doors.

>>30938605
A large number of Minuteman Silos.

>>30917748
Because the KGB spent decades giving money to just about any group in the US that would spout anti-nuclear memes. Seriously, this really was a huge part of it.

>>30938893
>The best protection is looking like a septic tank.
Maybe in your usecase but I would consider a block wall or culvert if you want actual bunker tier
>People don't tend to run around digging up septic tanks during natural disasters.
No but you bet your ass people are going to run around digging up sprinkler hatches because they think they are bunkers if you live anywhere that has a population
>And I think poop is actually a bigger structural load.
Im not indian so im not 100% sure but septic tanks tend to level out and distribute the pressure as opposed to your stack of tendies in one corner and your fat ass in the other

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>>30915530
Damn.
MFW, Mormons are gonna make it through the BBQ aren't they?

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>>30931132
if your in the east and are lucky you maybe can get one.
in the old soviet territory are thousands of them still missing
but i wouldn't put pic related in my fallout shelter this thing is probably worser than the fallout

>>30939196
for mostly unmanned stations that need low wattage power.

>>30921476
In the US, reactors are designed, if absolutely everything goes wrong, to melt downwards into a large, open, cement chamber, where the material can spread out enough to essentially snuff out the reaction.

This is basically what happened at TMI. One reactor melted into its containment room. The rest were just fine. A sensor outside of the building gave a single (possibly false) measurement of very slightly elevated radiation... and that was it.

The US also doesn't store spent rods in a bathtub upstairs from the reactor, that is so small that it requires active pumping in order to keep the used rods from boiling the bathtub dry and causing a steam explosion. The US stores spent rods in small lakes located near the reactor buildings.

China Syndrome, my foot.

what I have been considering:
>build a house on a hillside: one floor half-dug into the hill, another on top of it at the level of the hilltop
>an entrance, garage and a storage space in the 'basement' floor
>wait, what's that closet?
>the back of the closet is actually a sliding door that slides inside the wall
>there's a staircase leading underground
>at the bottom there's a heavy-duty, air-tight door
>behind it there's a vestibule and another air-tight door
>behind that a living room with couches, TV, bar, billiards
>another three rooms: a cold storage, a warm storage and a bathroom & sauna
>literally everything I need is there & the two-story house above is just camouflage so that people don't know I like to live underground.

>>30939742
I like it.

>>literally everything I need is there & the two-story house above is just camouflage so that people don't know I like to live underground.
I however recommend a sacrificial bunker that is less well hid. People wouldn't suspect that you actually have two bunkers.

>>30939742
all you really need is an excavator, concrete, and city permit.

The biggest issue is keeping it secret

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What ever happened to the idea of burying a submarine?

>>30939809
You don't bury a submarine, you scuttle one.

>>30915508
It's not cheap, but Monolithic claims they have buried their homes up to 28' deep.

>>30917536
>those paving stones
>making the bed
the 50s sure knew their priorities

>>30939809
rust / transportation of submarine / cost of submarine / why not have it function out at a dock where you can go into the oceans if shit hits the fan

>>30939777
Rent an excavator and dump truck and learn to dig I guess. It would take ten fucking forevers but with a little help from someone you plan to bunk with it could work. Maybe?

>>30925008
>make sharp turn
>???????

>>30939844
I really dislike the open ocean...nor do I have a crew or the fuel it would take to make it seaworthy for anything longterm.

>>30917605
>3 foot thick reinforced concrete walls
>decontamination showers
>updated air filtration system
>12 bedrooms
>12 bathrooms
>gym
>media room
>recreation room
>workshops


Was the builder Vault-Tec??

>>30939603
>to essentially snuff out the reaction.

The reaction will have stopped long before that. It needs a moderator to happen, and these reactors use the cooling water as the moderator. If you have coolant, no meltdown.

What gives you a meltdown in these cases is the heat generated by the fuel's inherent radioactivity.

>This is basically what happened at TMI. One reactor melted into its containment room.

That melt never penetrated the reactor vessel. The radiological materials that escaped there did so followed the coolant water out through a faulty valve.

>boiling the bathtub dry and causing a steam explosion

A dry steam explosion? Now that'd be an achievement.

>>30939851
Totally, I'm not saying you can't. Also if your in rural, you can just put the dirt else where on your property and not have to rent a dump truck.

The main issue I wanted to bring up was getting concrete. you can hire a company to come out and dump concrete in missive loads, but then you give up your bunkers location. Or you can buy bags and mix it there but then you're more likely to mess up.


But if you have a excavator. might as well make it a two story bunker instead of a one story bunker.

>>30939882
Better, United States Government

>>30926495
Kek sum moar.

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>>30939196
Aside from the radiation they produce a lot of heat. It would need a lot of ventilation. If I had one I'd put it in the yard inside a fake stone grill with a low-noise fan

>>30917550
Might have to do this ... just for a wine cellar though.

>>30915530
Looks comfy. I kinda want to just live in one, no house, just the shelter on a plot of land.

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>>30939919
Also depends on geography. If you are boring into rock concrete would be the least of your concerns. You could rent a large on sight mixer and buy pallets of mix, but you are right about the likely hood of fucking up. I also have a feeling that not all of us are heavy equipment operators or any form of qualified to lay concrete in mass quantities. I would say for a /diy/ bunker to do something like >>30919015
and do it with septic tanks and lay concrete around the junctions as a good seal.

>>30917491
Contractor here. Many modern tanks are plastic shit.

the concrete chambers however are retardedly over-engineered. They can handle extra concrete as long as you dont go overboard.

>>30940044
As a contractor, what would be the best way to utilize the plastic shit ones, as I assume that would be cheaper, and what is the average cost of both?

>>30940009
location is prime and it changes a lot of factors about the type of bunker you can do and what preparations you need to do with it to make sure it will last.

Some areas, you will need to place loose gravel around your bunker so water will run around it it and not push it.
Some areas, you need to put springs in so it can withstand a earthquake.
Some areas, will need you to bring in tougher dirt so you can bring your equipment in without rain destroying your project and road

>>30918324
>that xbox controller with a wire that wont reach the couch
>a truly tragic apocalypse

>>30929170
fuck just build the equivalent of a concrete boxed KOA kamp hookup and just seal it off in there, you can drive it out once all the radiation dissipates and still have everything be safe.
>>30925008
actually have one of those so thanks for the template

>>30933292
Is that thing under the entrance an AR15?

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>>30929191
>aka: Lakes & Oceans = stupidly radioactive.
DO NOT FISH!

>>30929249
>Protect your balls
Will do

>>30930450
>two weeks

Well, if it's stocked for a year+, then you and your companions are in great shape for the future.

>>30920573
He may have a neat bunker but he's still eurocuck. No guns allowed

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>>30940131
TFW in my area 5 hours of just me digging will hit water. TFW all inground pools in out area start reverse leaking. TFW I will never have awesome bunker. TFW I live near a major AFB.

>>30939858
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TqHv9BM39A

>>30940190
you can surround your bunker with gravel and loose dirt. You'll just need a good water pump to keep the work site dry while you build

>>30940190
>>30940220
Or you could build above ground and cover it in dirt

>>30940044
I was planning on the plastic shit.

Is that not a good idea?

>>30933341
I'll have my console, PC, and a few HD's of movies.

I'll play the whole Fallout series first for shits & giggles.

Also going to move my Encyclopedia collections down there, that way I can help lead people back to current standards with education.

>>30933734
Don't forget, make it a swivel toilet seat.

>>30940301
I think you're underestimating the amount of social interactions you have on a daily basis and how much you'll miss it when it is gone.

>>30939937
The "USA Government" doesn't build things, they hire others to build things.

Probably Haliburton

>>30940334

What, are you just going into this thing alone?

I'll have at least 3 other people with me & a Cockatiel. There will be plentiful social interaction.


Don't forget to bring your favorite fuck anon.

>>30940468
cool and sorry, I thought you were talking about doing it all alone.

>>30918324
They need to change out the monitor in the living room for that TV in the computer room.

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>>30919865
>>30920019
>>30920290
>>30932828
You can solve the cave-in issue with some minor modifications. Heck, even wood would be good. I think i will conside burying a container just to make more space at my backyard.
>>30925859
this guy has a good idea also

>>30940526
Naw bud.

Out in the rural part of Alberta, shared property farmstead.

I've discussed this before with other family members & friends.

My uncle wanted to build one for a grow op... but now that "Le Weed Man" has arrived, he don't give a shit.

We (as in people who live here) want one for tornadoes.. as are farm has been hit by one every generation.

But if we're building it, I'm going further than just severe weather protection.

>>30939994
Wondered about this myself. It would be kind of a bitch to get furniture in/out of it and unless you could hook it up to city power then it would be too expensive to constantly buy the gasoline to power it. But if you could do those two things, then that would be a pretty cool home.

>>30918324
reminds me of the one from LOST

>>30940733
just have a small shed or barn and rig it with solar and have a nice high quality battery bank in the bunker.

>>30916042
/thread

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>>30918318

>>30922866
Two bathrooms is self explanatory, but two kitchens does seem odd.

>>30918318
funny part is, I sort of agree with you. In any SHTF scenarios I've contemplated, I've expressly checked off Revelations as "Not gonna bother with because I honestly can't do shit about it."

Still, the bottom line with bunkers tends to assume that it's not truly "the end of the world" as that would mean nothing would survive in the long run. They're built under the notion it is something theoretically survivable. Strangely, nuclear holocaust is probably one of the most survivable scenarios for humanity, since I think even if every nation in the world launched all their nukes and coordinated to cover every inch of a place, it would still only be enough to cover the entire Eastern Seaboard of the United States. Maybe a bit of the Appalachians.

Shit, I think even the Tsar Bomba would have only been big enough to JUST takeout NYC, right?

And technically catch Jersey City too but who cares about Jersey?

>>30940190
Ohio?

>>30940248
Most houses are built for 50 years. Plastic is built to be replaced by then

>>30940067
Depends on where you live honestly. My state (ohio) doesnt let you do concrete pour innastate, so we import from indiana.

plastic CAN be cheaper, but it isnt as sturdy. I am hesitant to give average prices due to the cost my business would have to pay for importing and contractor discount. Call around, and have a county soil scientist come out and confirm you wont have water issues. 1 inch/100 foot fall is what you want to carry water reliably away from the house according to ohio, but that will be determined by your soil and county

>>30933292
Nado blows car on its side, covering the only entrance with several thousand lbs of metal.

Steel construction prevents cellphone usage while underground.

>Later homeowners find the remains of the family after the dad ate the mom and fucked his daughter to death before blowing his brains out.

>>30915530
If you like these, then you'll fucking love these.

http://www.ultimatebunker.com/underground-gun-vaults/

>tfw subterranean bliss
>tfw I might never be able to afford one

>>30929171
It looks like a delivery truck not a van

>>30939898
Where do you think the water went after it boiled out of the stagnant bathtub?

Hint: it went through the roof.

>>30940177
Stocking for a year or more is actually more important than building the bunker itself, unless you live right next to a strategic target.

>>30940190
As long as it isn't Offut, Cheyenne Mountain (now that it may be coming back online), Barksdale, or whatever that one is in MO where we keep the B-2s, you'll be fine.

Oh, wait, add Edwards to that list, of course.

>>30941392
This. If the End Times hit, we've got what, 7 years of plagues, famine, and wars, ending in the final conflict, right? And something like 90% death rates along the way, with the handful of survivors being Judged on the spot.

In that scenario, you should be focusing all of your efforts on prepping for Judgement, not for survival (see: the parable of the farmer with his silos).

Now, as far as scenarios that are worth prepping material items and skills for, even Global Thermonuclear War is unlikely to kill a hundred million globally (probably not even ten million). The real threat to individuals is the breakdown in the socio-economic system, and covering that means securing food, water, shelter, the basics. Having a bomb-proof shelter is far, far less important than having a bullet-resistant (or at least defensible) one with enough supplies for a year or two (and backup plans beyond that).

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>>30941392

Anybody got a general cost per sq. foot for this kind of stuff?

Not thinking bunker, so much as extended housing. If I could drop in a couple "dormitories" and rent them as rooms to college students, it might pay for itself.

>>30943509
>Anybody got a general cost per sq. foot for this kind of stuff?
Underground monolithic domes cost about 30% extra compared to an above ground dome. So you can expect something on par or slightly more expensive than a nice house, that is without adding anything like blast doors

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This thread makes me want to start with a deck in the back yard. Use it to hide the dig. Use dirt for strategic raised garden beds. The bbq deck acts as a work site roof letting me build from bottom to top through winter.

But learning proper tunneling techniques and starting in the large utility closet in my basement seem promising too.

New property owner with a world of exciting options here. No longer having a landlord makes threads like this interest me more than ever.

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>>30915508
How private?

>>30944047
Fuck Pulowski's! They don't save you from shit!

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I wonder if this can be applied unnaground?

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>>30942972
I kek'd.

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>>30944585
it's been mentioned quite a few times actually as pretty viable. A rough price estimate is even given here: >>30943603

Also in the link here >>30915530 monolithic domes are one of the structures you can purchase.

Really, as I understand, as long as you're a good five miles from any of the major target sites (see: >>30943502 for an idea), you really don't need to go unnaground. Hell, even being a mile out of the blast zone and you should be fine in a regular sturdy home.

That said, I would say your best bet would be to go Hobbit-style and basically build a Monolithic dome house on the surface, then cover it with dirt, gravel, rocks, etc.

Though since the dirt, gravel, etc. has to come from somewhere... Might as well have the structure be half buried. also helps it blend into the surroundings a bit more.

Also as a lovely bonus: if your half-buried dome house is big enough: after the initial two to three weeks, you can then turn it into the foundation for a Motte-and-Bailey keep mentioned up thread.

>>30944585
Most likely, spheres are pretty damn good at distributing weight.

>>30943064
well shit I could throw a party in something that size. They're so roomy.

But for real, I would worry about thieves in a delivery truck. They're prime targets for theft because they're often carrying expensive or pawnable loot. I think a smaller, less conspicuous vehicle would be better for SHTF

>>30916433
How is this comfy? Are you a caveman?