Congress is Attempting to Ban Body Armor

Why not ban trigger fingers while you're at it?

Buy empty plate carrier
Insert steel
????????
Profit!

>>30790922
REV UP THOSE TWITTER ACCOUNTS

>introduced January 2015
>last action in February 2015

Little late there bud.

>>30790922
I thought a civvie could only own type III already?

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It's a dead bill, we say it everytime you faggots post it

>>30790964

You can buy whatever you want for body armor as long as they'll sell it to you. Some online retailers won't sell rifle plates without credentials, but those are usually LE/Mil supply primarily so they're most likely just trying to hold on to limited stock. Some states regulate body armor for some absurd reason, so not having to deal with that headache is another reason.

>>30790964
That's what I thought never heard of a level four helmet a civilian could buy

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>>30790922
Can't wait until they start to ban helmets, kneepads, road flares, reflective clothing, steel toed boots, and all other safety equipment in existence

>>30791066
Now that sounds like the UK

bin that flare, save the air
bin those boots, save your toots
bin that fork, don't be a dork

before long they will get to sit in a corner with a crayon and safety scissors

>>30790981
what is this thing anon?

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>>30790922

FUCKING HELL I AM SO GODDAMNED SICK OF FAKE GEORGE WASHINGTON QUOTES BY 2A PEOPLE. JUST PICK SOMETHING REAL OUT OF THE FEDERALIST PAPERS INSTEAD OF COUNTERFEITING HISTORY.

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>>30791018
>>30791043
MAXIMUM SLAV
Type 6A

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>>30792102
congress must be afraid of citizens having to much money and knowledge on there hands to quire more of these

>>30790951
Doesn't steel need to be carburized and face hardended to efficiently resist ballistic threats?

>>30792145
I was there for that post, never knew anyone made level four plates for helmets

>bin that flare, save the air
>bin those boots, save your toots
>bin that fork, don't be a dork


Kek

>>30790922
>banning metal
Are these retards fucking serious?

>>30792149
AR500 is just a trademark of a specific kind of steel. You can buy it by the sheet and torch cut it.

>>30791300
unironic upvote.

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>>30791300
this to be honest family

Looks more and more like America isn't the land of the free....

We were pretty strongly indoctrinated I guess.

>>30792279

Torch cutting can effect the temper negatively, right?

>>30792448
Actually yeah. You'd want to use a water cutter, ideally.

>>30792448
That guy doesn't know what he's talking about. There's a wide variety of steels, and temper plays a large role in the toughness of steel, otherwise they would make tank armor from cheap structural mild steel

>>30792479

Never going to happen with the average amateur metalworker.

Running a garden hose over the piece while you use a saw will work fine.

A bigger question, is how the fuck will you curve it?

>>30792102
Where can I get this? Then I can walk around like Superman. Just really slowly. I doubt it offers much mobility. But if it is truly lvl 6 then it should offer really good protection.

>Is such a thing actually available?

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>>30790922
Fuck this shit.

>>30792577
>A bigger question, is how the fuck will you curve it?
make a jig and run over it with a semi?

>>30792577
>>30792643

Most people probably won't even bother to curve it.

>>30791239

>Your serious aren't you?

So, does anyone in here have any ideas on what a civil war would look like. And do you think one would ever start over something like this?

I always kinda wondered if it would end like the Yugoslav wars with somewhat functional breakaway states. I would have a hard time believing that we could remain a whole union. Also there is the chance that we become some shithole like Somalia or Syria.

>I just joined the Army Infantry and ship in Sept. I am willing to fight, could there be a military style coup like the one in Turkey?

>>30792677
There will never be a civil war. The vast majority of this country is made up of bootlickers, government apologists and people who are "comfortable". There will be people who will refuse to comply but they won't be the majority.

>>30792728
I agree. The majority isn't willing to do shit. But they would just stay out of the way right? I mean a majority of Syrians didn't fight, they just left and went to other places in the country or left the country totally. But you really don't think there could not be any sort of "Civil War" ?

>>30790922
>https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/378/text
>last action in February 2015
Did it died?

RIP in piece tyranny

>>30790922
About OP's pic: Who gave the crazy lady a gun?

>>30792926
At least she isn't brandishing it with her booger crook on the bang switch this time.

>>30792820
I think that the power of the media being able to successfully demonize any group opposition group coupled with the FBI (which are really just federal coppers) being the usual agency that takes care of "uprisings" means that the kinds of people who would say "Hey wait a second..." are very small. If the military was sent to quell uprisings there might be another civil war, but G-Men are different.

>>30792728
Has there ever been a civil or revolutionary war that even involved the "vast majority" of a population? My guess is no.

>>30792985
No, but I don't think even 5% of the population is willing to go to war with Uncle Sam right now, homie. Partially because they might miss American Idol, but mostly because "the time isn't right" and they don't want to die.

>>30792999
They don't need to all be there at the beginning. I agree that we are, by and large, too comfortable to think that starting shit is a good idea, but if shit got started by the people who did think it was a good idea, more would join.

>>30790922
There is some rough areas in America were you do need body armor, usually the problem is gangs who use illegal means of harassing and extorting money from small businesses in places like Detroit and other ghettos. Self defense militias might not be needed now, but sometimes they really are needed when gangs get out of control, usually when the cops and local government fail to do their job.

>>30793067
>places like Detroit
keep talking out your ass homie

>>30793092
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqfAzpTGPGo

Detroit is fucking scary, and it's borderline anarchy.

>>30792577
Honestly, I'd just add a formed pad to the backside to give it a comfort profile

>>30792982
Interesting.

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>>30793108
Post all the youtube videos you want, I live in Detroit. It does have some shitty areas, but all big cities do. Detroit is not really as bad as it's made out to be.

>>30792624
Is there an nij certification level above 4? I always thought the "level v" meme was literally anything that can stand up to .50bmg, what the fuck would you even rate level six protection for?

>>30793092
>when police have flyers saying, "Enter City At Your Own Risk." you can't say the place doesn't need nuked and rebuilt.

>>30792999
The time only isn't right because nobody has bothered to act or foment support, the time has otherwise been right for generations

>>30793208
Detroit's land area is big enough to fit Manhattan, San Francisco, and Boston inside it's city limits. Again, there are some some shitty areas like any other major city, but it is way overblown.

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>>30793208
>rebuilt
And by the way, it is pretty much being rebuilt.

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>>30793251
Now imagine if it were populated to la/manhat densities.

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>>30791300

>>30793310
Yeah, It would thrive.

http://www.businessinsider.com/the-13-hottest-us-cities-for-2016-2015-12

>>30793338
>Oakland, California, is the new hipster hotspot in the Bay Area.

>Portland, Oregon, will be popular with techies wanting to escape expensive housing in the Bay Area.

Thanks for the cancer.

>>30793400
Nice strawman faggot. Please, by all means, keep telling me about the city I live in. A city I'd be willing to bet you've never stepped foot in. Your right though a pussy like your self probably wouldn't fare too well in Detroit.

>>30793400
>Portland, Oregon, will be popular with techies wanting to escape expensive housing in the Bay Area.
THESE FUCKS. KILL THESE FUCKS. I WAS BORN IN AND HAVE LIVED IN PORTLAND FOR 31 YEARS ALONG WITH MY PARENTS AND GRANDPARENTS AND I CAN'T BUY A HOUSE IN PORTLAND FOR UNDER $300,000 UNLESS I LIVE IN NIGGER CENTRAL ANYMORE AND THEN THE HOUSES COST $250,000. THESE FUCKS. KILL THESE FUCKS. BURN IT ALL DOWN. WHO IS RESPONSIBLE

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>>30793200
There was a trial to determine What nij level V consisted ( dragon skin scandal ). But due to vast required expenses, additional weight needed and armor thickness there was simply no reliable way to stop .50 bmg lead core or its lesser 40 cal brothers at the time. The armor industry is a very slow beast with new innovations being rather costly and lack the market force to drive a vast change I have noticed.

>>30793251
>Detroit isn't as shitty as everyone says it is guis!
>We aren't even the murder capital of the US anymore!
>We're just 2nd place behind St. Louis now!
>See? So safe!

>>30792279
>AR500 is just a trademark of a specific kind of steel
it also can't stop a rifle round so it's worhless

>>30793600
No it can stop some rifles rounds rather badly. However it is worthless in stopping a lesser 55 grain .223 rem or 5.56 nato round.

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>>30793281
That ain't gonna mean shit if the same lawmakers have the same jobs.
>The new buildings will taxes will be huge.
>The business will move out.
>The price of the building and its taxes will be too high for any business to thrive.
>It will be so long before somebody buys it, the crackheads will move in and start tearing down the drywall and leaving needles on the floor.
>Building will need demo'd again.
>Process recycles itself with Democratic laws in place there.

Actually, just nuke it and leave it lay.

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>>30793317

I can see banning guns. For them, it's a logical step to dealing with the dangers of firearms in the wrong hands. I don't agree with it, but I can understand their logic.

But banning body armor? Actively preventing people from passively defending themselves against guns? I sincerely do not get it.

>>30793738
because gun control is inherently about people control. has nothing to do with the guns themself.

>ban armor
>why? It's passive defense against harm
>IT'S SCARY AND BLACK JUST SHUTUP AND BAN IT
If only we had this logic after the Civil War

>>30793573
>>30793667
Eh, whatever man. Detroit is actually a pretty cool place. Think whatever you want but it is on a comeback trail.

>>30793787

I don't really agree with that. I legitimately believe that most people who want gun control are sincerely concerned with the safety of the people. I think they're misguided and focusing on the wrong issues, but the average person on the street is voting with good intentions. I think that holds true for most representatives as well.

Dismissing their arguments as invalid because they're part of some big conspiratorial agenda is the exact reason our country is so deeply entrenched in partisan warfare.

That doesn't make them any less wrong, but at least treat them like rational people. And I can't imagine anyone rationally supporting a fringe position like "Body armor is dangerous." This can't, and won't, pass.

>>30793738
It's partially >>30793787 and partially because mass shooters use body armor too because they think it will protect them from getting killed.

If I was forced to write body armor legislation what makes the most sense in my opinion would be to consider the scenarios the average person would need body armor meaning against pistol fire. Therefore you'd need an FFL to purchase anything what... level III and higher? But then what stops people from buying carriers and buying plates that are level III equivalent and popping them into the carriers.

I get what you mean. It makes sense in the worst way possible, but it also doesn't. Either way, straight up banning shit is not the answer.

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>>30792102
THIS ACTUALLY EXISTS FOR RETAIL!?!?

>>30793849

True. Detroit and Chicago definitely have violence problems but they're recovering economically at a pretty impressive rate. It has nothing to do with their gun laws, obviously, but I don't get all the hate for them. You think we'd be happy to see American cities recovering after the past two decades of wtf levels of decline.

>>30792102

That man needs roller blades

>>30793881
Yeah I mean we were dogshit for a number of years, but we finally got a rid of the corrupt as fuck [black] mayors and counsel and shit is turning around at a rapid rate. Detroit has a pretty huge metro area and the region wants the city to come back.

tl;dr white people are taking back Detroit

>>30793787
California figured out that by banning everything Republicans like, they get rid of the Republican voter base, and give themselves a huge advantage in elections despite doing a consecutively bad job.

>>30793853
>I legitimately believe that most people who want gun control
i dont care about the people who buy into the propaganda I'm talking about the people shaping and creating the narrative.

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>>30793935
>white people are taking back Detroit

that's nice

now they can shoot us like pieces of shit when they start sucking money right out of our bank account

this country is so fucked, lol.

the crash can't come soon enough.

>>30793317
My god that's artful. Silent tears were shed.

>>30794049
All desirable areas of Detroit. Brush Park, Boston-Edison, Indian Village, downtown, midtown are all taken back. The nig nogs can have the shitty outer neiborhood ghettos. Its like driving through the desert to get to Vegas.

>>30792102
its rated to stop repeated hits from 7.62x54R AP at 10 meters

>>30792624
>>30793200
>>30793526
>>30793878
slav level 6 is amazing
>>30794349

>>30791152
>safety scissors
Not on my watch.

>>30790922
>thing George Washington Never Said
-George Washington

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>>30792349
What are you talking about that's as real as fucking can be, hell if it wasn't it wouldn't be on the internet.

This shit is old. Bill was from 2012 and died. Fuck op.

>>30790922
Maybe if a countries citizens could stop acting like retarded chimps on crack we wouldn't need to take away your tiny dick compensators. I mean if gun nuts mainly just shot each other it wouldn't be a problem, just natural selection cleaning the gene pool.

First off old stuff OP
Secondly did these retards who wrote it ever heard of Ned Kelly? Just a thought but replace iron with steel

>>30793187
I feel like i should go up there and buy a whole block just outside of the city, demolish any buildings, and just sit on the property for 10 years...dumb?

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>>30791239
4 u

>>30795626
It depends on demographic trends. US population is still growing slowly, still urbanizing a little. But people are also moving to the sunbelt. So whether it will appreciate any faster than just putting your money in ETFs is a toss-up. Plus property taxes might eat you in the mean time.

>>30790922
>ban armor that can protect against standard government equipment
>ban ammunition that can defeat standard government equipment
>pretend that you're not violating the spirit of the 2nd amendment

Christ, they'll try everything.

>>>/pol/
KEEP YOUR GUN POLITICS IN /pol/ YOU FAGGOTS
>>>/pol/
KEEP YOUR GUN POLITICS IN /pol/ YOU FAGGOTS
>>>/pol/
KEEP YOUR GUN POLITICS IN /pol/ YOU FAGGOTS

>>30790922
Is your pic a ruse? George Washington never said that.

>>30792577
You could always re-harden the piece. It isn't too hard to make an oven that could harden torso-sized armor plates. You just need fire brick, a fuel source, and a tank of oil.

>>30793630
I've seen multiple 3rd party videos that show otherwise.

>>30794212
Except you know....the road runner and coyote don't steal your car and cell phone then 8 of them beat you up

>>30793526
Why does that have to be pol/milsup only? I don't even have a helmet, mind you, but dammit if I don't want the option to put a rifle plate on it.

>>30793858
There is no lawful item in the constitution that says any element of governance can rule on my level of dress in public or at home, the natural state of undress and exposure withstanding as a longtime common exception.

>>30795979
OP didn't say shit about guns or politics.

we are discussing ballistic armor

>>30799996
To continue the discussions of ballistic armor, do these bathroom tile and layered denim DIY builds have actual merit to them? The performance vids seem persuasive, but, y'know, it's all custom garage engineering so every single unit has a large potential for deviation.

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>>30793667

>>30793853
>That doesn't make them any less wrong, but at least treat them like rational people.

Nope. Most of them are just parroting the party line without understanding the issues or technology. But they still speak. Worse yet, they vote.

Voters are supposed to take some responsibility for being informed. That they don't loses them any respect for their rationality.

The people behind the scenes making this crap up: I could sit down and talk with them. I my not agree with their politics, but at least they have the smarts to manipulate large groups of people.

What will type 3 soft armor and type 3+ hard armor (or whatever is commonly used in plate carriers) stop anyways?

>>30792577
You see those warriors from Hammerfell? They’ve got curved armor. Curved. Armor.

>>30803102
Type 3 with stop intermediate rifle calibers
Type 3a will stop pistol rounds better than type2 but is not as good as normal type 3
Type 4 will stop 3 round of armor piercing 30-06

>>30803102
Slightly more than type 3 as a stand alone for slightly longer

>>30793400
>Nice Strawman on Detroit.

>Post is clearly talking about California and Oregon.

Reading comprehension levels low.

>>30795979
Keep your faggotry in /lgbt/ you swedeish meatball
>>>/lgbt/

>>30793526
Would placing a layer of softer material or semisolid ahead of the place absorb some of the impact of an incoming round and decrease it's penetrative power?

>>30791043
...That's because there aren't level IV helmets dude

>>30793817
Top kek

>>30792728
>>30792820
Only 3% of the colonists actively fought against the British in the American revolution.

The people in the DoD who spend their time creating action plans for every possible contingency expect 13% to 18% of the population to support a revolution if the fed gov ever trys to confiscate weapons. That around 43 million people. Now tell me how a civil war would never accomplish anything in this day and age.

>>30806676
I think you'd want the reverse. Hard material first to maximize velocity loss, followed by soft material to further it.

>>30793630
But that's bullshit.

The only round that can penetrate level III is an M193 at close range and their (unofficial) III+ stops that. A year or 2 ago you would probably be right, but the increased demand has sparked a massive acceleration in the quality of their products.

>>30793738
Oppressing citizens is difficult when they can get things that improve their chances of survival in a firefight.

Governments like easy kills.

>>30803102
Type IIIA soft will stop all pistol calibers except 5.7 ss190

III+ Will stop just about all 7.62/5.56

IV will break but will stop a few rounds of just about anything short of 50bmg or some fringe AP round.

Did I get it right /k/?

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>>30807554
Loyalty to the government is also at an all time low. Over 2 decades of Bush Obama and Clinton makes soldiers very unhappy with the elite ruling class.