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How do I fix my ejector?

>>30437148
I love AK's

What stock adapter should i get? been looking at krebs kustom for my npap.

also whats a decent side folding stock?

Where can I get better wood furniture for my wasr?

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who makes good 74 flats? is there much of a difference between suppliers? it seems like the only two are 4130 steel or whatever bulgarian ones are made out of.

>>30437171
Are you the guy from the last thread? 5.45 rifle built on a 7.62 receiver?

The reliability problems are because the ejector is too short. You can have it welded out a hair and then ground to shape, but I never really like the idea of welding on a piece of the receiver that takes that much stress from the impact of the empty cartridges. It doesn't help that the 7.62 mag well is slightly wider which can cause slop in the mag fitment which can lead to further feed issues. So either weld up the extractor or rebuild the kit on a new receiver. Rebuilding the kit would be a pretty big pain though.

>>30437350
not that guy but would it be easier to make a 7.62 out of a 5,45 receiver? just curious

What does /k/ think about the midwest industries ak mount? I know the RS Regulate is better quality but i don't wanna spend 200 right now

>>30437387
Yes because any modifications you make would be removing metal as opposed to adding metal, which is always easier.

>>30437446
so all the pin holes, trunnion, rail uhh spots, are in the same place?

>>30437171
whats wrong with it?

>>30437207
>serbshit
>wants new furniture
that boat never even came to port......

>>30437325
Childers and NoDak are top notch. That recreatorblanks guy's product is supposed to be the most accurate, but who knows...... fuck AKbuilder.

>>30437350
welding isnt the problem, its how he's gonna get the 'globe' shaped correctly with a dremel or file. And btw, its prolly better, cause it'll be heattreated already.

>>30437472
why not use the correct receiver, and not have to do shit?

>>30437563
>>30437472
because, curiousgeorge. see >>30437387

>>30437419
the full length one is super heavy
just my .02

>>30437472
Basically yes except the 7.62 ejector is positioned slightly further rearward

But really just get the right damn receiver to begin with

Does anybody here own one of those Interarms Hungarian AKMS's?

>>30437171
kegle exercises

>>30437563
>Krebs adapter
>Furniture not possible
Ok no

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My pair of horrible Frankenstein AK and 'Assault Rifle' The 7.62x39 rifle started as an EAA low cap, ban era Z-PAP rifle. When I bought it the previous owner had halfway converted it but as I have learned it shits the bed with anything but Pmags. The .223 is just an M90NP with a pile of Magpul thrown on it. The last rifle is the ShitStick.

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>>30437737
This whole picture is just fucking crazy. Bravo anon

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For those of you with Russian optics, do you zero them the same that you'd zero any other optic or do you do the whole Russian 400 meter belt buckle zero?

I've got mine zeroed out to 100 yards and I'm considering fooling around with the belt buckle zero just to see how it goes, but this this was a bitch to zero and I don't really want to do it all over again.

>>30437825
I tried to put a red dot on my AK, I still regret doing it because I'm so much better with irons still. I actually prefer shooting beltbuckle style with my guns now, I just can't aim directly at something anymore.

>>30437207
Get the Krebs. It's leagues better than any other options (usually ACE).
As for stocks, I have Manticore Arms triangle and Stormwerkz hinge but the CNC Warrior triangle has been getting pretty good reviews.
>Would still get the Stormwerkz over the ACE hinge though, as it has dual locking lugs unlike the ACE's single lug.

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the mag shilling is getting out of hand

>>30437891
>>30437898
Bitch!!!

Give me some of those!

>>30437891
>>30437898
nigga you coulda bought a car with that money

>>30437891
anyone know where to buy cheap ak mag guts

some romanian mags from apex are garbage teir

With DDI-74s being out of stock what are my options for a "new" AK-74 that isn't a hunk of century shit, and isn't an Arsenal? Should I just wait and see if anything new comes up?

>>30438021
Parts kits are drying up, I would search gunbroker for kit builds or deals on tantals or converted saigas

>>30437915
>>30437916
>Implying those are his
Settle down.
They're a guy's from the AKFiles.

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>>30437958

His next package from Russia/latvia/ukraine/ or that german guy, or whoever he bought these from overseas will contain the internals.

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what's a good price for an arsenal side folder that has a triangle stock on it already? I own a 7.62x39 but want a 5.45 for November.

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>>30437207
Krebs is the better option.

Stormwerkz hinge and a manticore arms triangle

Hey guys, kind of a noob. How exactly do I refinish wooden AK furniture? A lot of the tutorials are kinda complex or not very well explained. Is there a specific type/mixture of stain to use?

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Super unicorn status prototype AK-74

Notice the polygonal trigger guard which carried on as far as 1974 before it was replace with the rounded trigger guard

AKM style mag catch

Early AK-74 style gas block and FSB

Plus the super rare (aluminum?) 5.45 mag, probably some of the rarest magazines in existence, the 1488 guy owns one, super fucking jealous

>>30438197
Around $1k is normal

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>>30438219
the stain part is where you get creative, but for the most part the wood refinishing is

1 stripping what's on there
2 sanding a lot
3 stain and seal with polycyrillic, a lot of people say use tung oil ( havent used but probably is worth doing for a good finish)

this is what I did, using a red mahogany stain from a hardware store. Cost me about $60 to do it all, and I have plenty leftover to refinish if I need to.

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>>30438224

How much would it cost to get an sgl31 converted to an ak105 with a real russian 105 fsb? This is without the folding stock.

>>30438224
I always thought those were 74 rifles with the green furniture presented to border guards. Guess not.

You forgot to mention the muzzle device tho.

>>30438224
>I wish I had not seen that magazine....

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>>30438219
Strip the wood with citristrip or something and scrub off all the bullshit. Then sand it down with 100 grit sandpaper, then 220 grit. Now, you can use a stain, but I think shellac looks better.

Buy amber or ruby shellac flakes and mix with denatured alcohol. Mix it and let it sit for a day, and then put 2-3 coats on your stock over the course of a day or two and let dry.

Pic related is amber shellac.

>>30438276
If you're going to go as far as to buy a real Russian FSGB for use on an SGL-31, I'd strongly suggest going all the way and getting the folding stock too. I mean you're so close to a perfect clone, but keeping it fixed stock really kills it IMO.

But what you're talking about is fairly basic. The FSB and GB will have to be removed (make sure you get these back they're valuable) and the gas port will have to be slightly modified to work with the Russian FSGB, then the FSGB pinned (or fake dimpled, which would increase cost) and the barrel cut and crowned and finished. It really depends on the builder, but I wouldn't expect it to be more than $250, but don't forget the $200 tax stamp. Plus you'll have to buy the muzzle booster or some other muzzle device.

But pls, get the stock too, I can understand skipping a minor, mostly cosmetic detail like the PG reinforcement plate, but the stock is like, essential.

>>30438021
DDI is supposed to make an arsenal clone ak 100 ish model soon

>>30438281
Yes that is true for the most part, but this rifle was no such presentation rifle and was made specifically for testing and then retired. I guess they considered going for green furniture on the AK-74 but decided to stick with wood instead.

And I guess you mean the lack thereof? It's disappointing, I'd really like to see what the prototype muzzle device would have looked like, or if it would have been the same as the half moon brake.

>>30437148
how good are the Bulgarian AKs?

found that and a Maadi about the same price, same condition, which is better?

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>>30437737
I fucking like them a lot. How's that M90 to shoot, been thinking about getting one used the next time one pops up on BP since production's ceased.

>>30438197

>want a 5.45 before november

horrible choice if your trying to buy another in case you know who wins, 5.45 is all imported ammo, can imports can be banned without congress, so now you are stuck with a paperweight you can't buy ammo for.

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>>30437891
I don't know what I would do if I had all of those magazines. Probably stack them all up as pictured and just stare at them.

>>30438484

"Bulgaria makes the best AK's"

Mikhail Kalashnikov

>>30438224
tell me about this 1488 guy

>>30438571
He hates niggers, as has an affinity for rare mags and railed dust covers.
>his aesthetic is tuff tho gotta admit

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>>30438535
Probably kill yourself out of frustration when the springs came

Even dealing in much smaller quantities than pictured there it's a total bitch to get those springs separated. They get wrapped around each other in ways you can't even imagine and they're all covered in either rust or grease or gunshot residue and trying to get them untangled just gets them more tangled than before. I'm jealous of that stack but I pity the man who is going to have to deal with the absolute clusterfuck of springs. I got so frustrated one time I said fuck it and threw them in a box and didn't even touch $500 worth of mags for months because I couldn't be arsed.

>>30438571
Some Instagram dude that came out of nowhere with the biggest collection of rare AK mags I've ever seen stateside

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>>30438507
Is there any good lightweight muzzle devices for the 5.45? Next time I take mine out to the range, I'm going to see how it shoots without the brake. Quite frankly like the look of the 74 without a muzzle device tbqhh

>>30438525
So should I get one in 5.56 because 5.45 is going to disappear suddenly?

>>30437593
Don't listen to this sperglord, the MI full length rail is light for its size

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posting my small collection again

>>30438252
>>30438416
I've seen mention of iodine. What kind of iodine? What effect does it have? What do I do?

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>>30438224
These mags? They're steel.

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>>30438972
and my WASR that didn't fit on the table

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I also have some special chink ammo i bought for $10 at a yard sale

>>30438972
>no 5.45 ?

>>30438507
The M90NP is a really smooth shooting rifle, although it can be painfully overgassed. Mine was built really haphazard but it was also No.16 off the line, be warned that furniture is even more 'special' than the normal M70 OPAP because the M90NP has a gas tube about an inch longer than normal.

>>30438975
Hence the question mark, wasn't sure. I thought maybe they were aluminum because of how similar in shape they are to the aluminum waffle mags.

I'd love to have one of those. Shits not even fair

>>30439047
havent found a good one for good enough of a deal yet I havent payed market value for any of those most expensive one was the Valmet and i only payed 1700 for it with all the original paperwork an extra magazine and a second dust cover with a scope mount and rings

also just bought a Norinco underfolder today for $1200 should have pictures up tomorrow after work

>>30439022
Well let's see the actual rounds.

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>>30438622
Never considered the springs, fuck that would be a nightmare. Just added that dude on instagram, FUCK his collection is insane. Seems that he goes to Russia to get the shit direct, but I want to know about the dude who robbed the museum or w/e. How the fuck does one person get their hands on that shit and walk off?

>>30438984
Loving that wear senpai

>>30437255
pretty sure the whole finish story was just one batch of rifles, not all. that should be fixed

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>>30439073
>Hence the question mark, wasn't sure.
Thus the answer, now you can be :^

There's one for sale now
>It's only $2k

Don't get me started on all the rare mags I can't afford or even find.
>I just want a pair of black castle Finns, honestly

>>30439134
It's even worse than you're probably imagining. You know those metal logic puzzles that librarians and shit have sometimes? That you're supposed to fiddle with and figure out how to take it apart? They're like those, except all rolled up into a big greasy ball of fuck you.

I've never heard about any museums being robbed or whatever, did you read that from that guy's insta? I don't use Instagram so I don't really check up on stuff like that much. If you're talking about the clear plastic mags, I don't think it's that big of a spooky scary deal, but from the guy I'm getting mine from I have the impression that these are indeed prototype magazines that are not necessarily supposed to be leaving the factory. He sent me a picture of something that he actually asked me not to circulate because the person who took the picture doesn't really want the contents of the picture being common knowledge. Fun stuff

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>>30437825
>>30437825
If it's a red dot I zero at 100 meters, otherwise if it's a scope with the 5.45 BDC I use the 400 meter method.

Triangle tip is zeroed @ 100 meters, bottom of the triangle impacts around 700

>>30439211
Yeah that figures. The Facebook group or the forums? This is part of the reason why I don't even check this shit anymore, it's all just heartache seeing stuff I can't afford.

There's a $20k rug that I'm supposed to be selling that I'll get 10% commission on. It would be reckless and stupid but I'm not going to lie and say it's completely out of the realm of possibilities that I would buy that mag if I got the rug sold soon.

>>30439267
>There's a $20k rug
What kind of rug costs 20k?

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>>30439267
The forums.
Yeah, I don't know why I go there either it's always a "Fuck I need this mag or that rifle, but I really have to be a responsible adult" situation.
Shit sucks.

So you're getting a clear green from our russian friend? That's neat.

Wonder if he can turn me up a molot shield mold RPK47 mag or 2.
>Might have to shoot him an email and see.
But I'm blowing a couple hundred on fireworks, so it'll have to wait.

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>>30439219
I read from his Instagram that he goes to Russia, not that a dude smoked them from a Museum. An anon in the last general mentioned that part, that someone had lifted a bunch of this shit out of a special collection and started selling them. I inquired about it further but nobody posted a response, so maybe it's a rumor or that anon can pipe in and add some details.

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>>30439267
This is precisely why I'm not a part of any AK facebook groups and why I rarely check the AKfiles marketplace anymore. I blow all my money on useless shit I don't need simply because it's rare and it's for sale or I get really upset that I don't buy it and it's gone forever.

>>30439410
The very, very, VERY comfy kind

gibbs matra mags are garbage
jam all the time and the useless bho "feature" overcomplicates the mag

>>30439434
Hell, for me it isn't even rare stuff, it's more like "Oh neat there's a mint plum mag that would normally be $40 for sale for only $25" or "hey there's a Russian zigzag brake for only $35" and stuff like that

>>30439475
Yeah I do that too and it adds up very, very quickly

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>>30439410
$20k was the price of it new, it's been used for years now and has probably depreciated greatly in value, I need to get it cleaned and appraised. Home furnishings for the fabulously wealthy get disgusting expensive, basically a money spending contest.

>>30439427
Yep, clear green and more to come hopefully.

>>30439434
Yeah I was doing pretty good with my money until I became acquainted with the Russian anon

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>>30439434
related, I bought 4 more Beryl mags off the Polish dude from Files. That will make 8 total Beryl mags, 4 of the 2nd gen black circle 10 waffles, and 3 of the clear smoke, 1 of which is fucking toast because of a cracked feed lip, though I'm considering JBweld and just using it as a range mag until it breaks or something. How many mags is good for long term? I figured 10-20.

>>30438702

7.62 or 5.56, 5.45 is probably the worst caliber to get started in right now, unless you can afford to buy 10k rounds.

>>30439505
Did you get that plum working ?

>>30439505
>How many mags is good for long term?
I have ~100 and I still "need" more.

>Just got 8 hungarian tankers in the mail today.

You can never have too many, but 20-30 is a good number.

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>>30439535
Not yet, I'm gonna get some JB weld in the next day or two and use another mag's follower to build up some material to try to get it to feed. I don't want to use the 5.45 follower in case it's an abortion and then it's a worthless mag for anyone. The next question after that is whether or not to file the inside of the front part of the mag to be able to have it be able to run 30rds or just leave it a 10-15rd mag as to not cut it up for use as a 5.45 mag again. I honestly should just buy a damn regular mag to try this shit first and not waste a Tula Plum.

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>>30437891
Total cost?
And are those green plums??

>>30438484
If the maddi comes with the original Steyr, I'd prolly sway that way. They have all but dried up. IIRC, its easy to tell if its the CHFCL Steyr barrel, cause it has the hammered look of Steyr's other barrels.

>>30438507
>Blacksmith hammer
>anywhere near a SVD
1MOA with 7n1, ehhh?

>>30438984
wait a second.... I just seen this rifle.....

>>30439219
Dmi says he coming to US to rape your fuckin gabber with the next bulk sale's funds come through, Chimps.....

>>30439410
>What kind of rug costs 20k?
ones made from queen elizabeth the IV's cunthair.

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>>30439543
>20-30
Fuck I was hoping someone would say 10 but yeah, something tells me the more the better. Problem is the Beryl mags are the only ones that feed both of my 5.56 rifles properly and they are the most difficult to get. And all of them are expensive, but I'm willing to pay the cash, I just wish this wasn't an election year so I could feel better about buying a few every few months or so. I really need to make some 5.45 mags work properly as that will help with the cost, but fuck it's a PITA so far and I don't know if they will feed my Norinco and Arsenal both.

>>30439575
I'll trade you ((10)) for the plum ?

>>30439475
>hey there's a Russian zigzag brake for only $35
I fell for this once. fucker didnt say it had a bafflechip/flaw.

>>30439505
you the guy that said "Poland makes some ugly shit" and almost got b&?

>>30439575
>IMIshillMAC here, you guys gotta chek out these new ACE's, they promised me 25% comission on anyone who buys one in the first month of this video, so GO get one NOW!
I didnt know you browsed this Panda-Care exchange club.

>>30439631
Hahaha, we can figure something out. I won't cut anything on it and we'll work something out. How many Izzy plums do you have?

>>30439635
I remember that guy, no that wasn't me. I sweat Beryls and Tantals so I wouldn't open my mouth to spew such fuckery. But dude, why does nobody like ACEs? I don't care about >muh polymer, I'd totally get one in .308.

>>30439678
One atm still waiting on the group buy. Yours is a Tula right ?

>>30437737
What is that first rifle? Or "shitstick"

>>30439678
No one likes ACEs cause the kikes didnt make the one everyone asked for, and want to charge a fuckboat for 80% plastic, 20% recycled M16A1 parts

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>>30439598
Oh hey its the retard from last night, nice to know that the only AK you own is a shitty wasr that you used steel wool on to make it look like you actually have money to shoot it.

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>>30439705
Yeah, it's a Tula. I never compared the color of the two side by side. How much did you pay for the others you have?

>>30439721
holy hot damn you must be drool-on-yourself tier retarded IRL, eh?

Its not mine, I thought it was his>>30438984
hence the whole
>wait a second.... I just seen this rifle.....

and do tell: how do you think that rifle you thought was mine has been steelwooled and not naturally worn in finish?

>>30439731
40$ a mag basically bought most from bear firearms in Scottsdale

>>30439721
>to make it look like you actually have money to shoot it.
says the guy living in an RV sending your food money to some guy in russia for boxes and boxes of BFPU condition mags.

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>>30439721
damn, not even that anon but thats brutal. What if it's just his first one, anon?

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>>30439598
>Real Field Wear.jpg
>wear is on bottom of gas tube

>>30439735
Ah I see its not yours, so you don't actually own any aks? as predicted.

>>30439749
Yeah that's not me? Not my post or photos, those photos are from some guy on AKfiles

>>30439759
Wasrs are fine, but wearing the finish down like that is retarded.

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>>30437898

I count 200 mags just from this pile, he's selling them for $34 on akfiles, if he bought them from the russian guy for $7 each.


Got damn, $5400 in profit, I need to start arms dealing in mags.

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>>30439740
Damn I thought they were cheaper. I bought that Tula online for 30 bones. You need some orange bakelite or some east german or something for when you dress it for a night on the town. That's the one thing I love about the 74 is the sheer amount of choice you have for magazines. My 7,62 is just a WASR but even if I had an SLR-107 I don't think I'd get any snowflake mags, but for the 104 I'd def buy all the different ones.

>>30439721

Hey look a retard who payed some idiot on akfiles to cut down mags, you really can't do that urself?

yikes,takes about 40 seconds,

>>30439838
>I love about the 74 is the sheer amount of choice you have for magazines
>Irregular availability

>overpriced

>bakelite,plum,black, or bulgarian mags.


wew what a variety.

>>30439841
You're not to bright are you? When did I say those mags were mine? They are the 1488 guys from instagram, see
>>30438622
and
>>30438975

Also its not cut down
https://www.instagram.com/p/BCY4nEJNHXI/?taken-by=justinsimmons1488

Its a legit 20rd early bakelite it seems

Also please show me how to cut them down in 40 seconds than mold the plastic for new bottom lips so that the floor plate which is wider than the bag body without the lips will attach.

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>>30439851
Maybe it's just me, but I only ever see steel croatian or korean, or magpul 7.62 mags. Bakelite mags are always expensive but only have ever seen the regular Izhmash bakelites. I don't ever see the 74 guys with cheap bullshit mags online, I guess because there are no Magpul, Tapco, Promag etc options for 74s. And compared to 5.56 mags, 5.45 has ridiculous amount of choice.

>>30439886
>Also please show me how to cut them down in 40 seconds than mold the plastic for new bottom lips so that the floor plate which is wider than the bag body without the lips will attach.
If you take a slice out of a pizza pie, do you end up with 2 two pizzas?

And thats not me guy, that is someone else who also thinks youre retarded. Noticing a pattern...?

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>>30439851
You forget polish buddy

>>30439921

>>30439886 (You)
If you take a slice out of a pizza pie, do you end up with 2 two pizzas?

What did he mean by this?

When did I say there was no less than 1 retard? All in all you are a noguns, no ak faggot, please head over to ARG if you want to go grab yourself a trip and act like a retard please. Also more people think you are a retard the those who think I am, just look at how Chimps owned you last night.

>>30439886
>cut them down in 40 seconds than mold the plastic for new bottom lips so that the floor plate which is wider than the bag body without the lips will attach.


Jesus use you're head,I'll give you a hint, You wont have to change tools.

>>30439980
Sure you could grind the mag down with a dremel no shit but how the fuck are you going to replicate the bottom of an ak74 mag with the protruding lips so that a floor plate will actually stay on? Do all that in 40 seconds please and you will then have a valid point, until then please post your ak.

>>30437891
Are you the guy from the forum? If you are, would you be willing to work out a deal in person. I'm from the nashville area, would like to not pay shipping lol

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Rate my finish.

>>30440009

Post your'res then.

>>30440085

to shiny.

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>>30440089
Here's 1 of them senpai.

>>30440089
the nigger is just dumb. He doesnt know the tool is 'hacksaw' and necessary components is 'superglue'

he thinks its 'dremel grind wheel' and 'bakelite growing soil'

funny, cause its that ban-evading shitposting skellington that lives in TX yet has a fullauto FAL.

>>30439963
>just look at how Chimps owned you last night.
was no where on the scale as the time I anally ravaged your 2x4 butthole in the /brg/ thread when you claimed the FAiL was superior to the G3 because the G3 has a non-adjustable gas system.

>>30440160
But the FAL is superior to the G3.

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Thanks for reminding me that I need to sand down and refinish my wooden furniture.

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Looking for first AK pattern.

I know I want:
>7.62x39
>akm or akms pattern
>Wood or underfolder stock
>bayonet lug

I don't care as much about:
>stamped or milled
>side mounts, rails, optics
>budget (within reason)
>country of origin (including US) as long as it isn't shit tier

What do?

>pic related

>>30440513
Don't buy an underfolder for your first AK pattern rifle.

>>30440513
go to local shop
buy RAS47 with full stock

>>30440533

What's the rationale?

>>30440513
avoid I.O. avoid the c39, avoid the RAS-47. Other than that it's whatever you want.

>>30440533
Y tho?

>>30440563

I'm not seeing any RAS47's with bayo lugs. To me, it's a must have.

>>30440567
They're uncomfortable to shoot as the cheekweld is hard to manage on an underfolder.

A fixed stock or even a triangle stock is much more comfortable for cheekweld.

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What about the High Standard? Says it's a 922r compliant Hungarian build. CL American barrel.

Thoughts?

>>30440630

unknown builder, mis match of parts, ugly non matching finish out of the box.

run away.

>>30437563
What's the problem with AKbuilder?

>>30439501
Hey Chimps, that's me, confirming that the greeny is stateside. And the other one i'm about to pick up from the post office.

>>30440592
dont EVER buy a c39, a RAS or any IO

>>30440727
Just to confirm, you are the russian anon that got Zasta and I the PUD cases, yes?

I'd hate to send an email to the wrong guy.

>>30440775
Yep that's me.

>>30440789
Cool.
Email incoming, friend.

Looking to get an AK, not looking to spend a lot of money. Recommendations?

>>30440812
What's "not a lot of money"?

>blanket answer before you reply
WASR

>>30440817
Would prefer 800 or less.

>>30440812
N-PAP. It has it's pros and cons but it's solid as fuck. Sure the furniture is special snowflake but if you really want a rifle for not a lot of money it's not like you'll be changing it soon anyways. WASRs are good for the money but for the same price the NPAP will last 3x longer (if you take care of both equally). Also if you buy a new-er one the problem with the stock and cheek slap are gone as well.

>>30438667
Might affect accuracy bruh. I've seen it open up without anything on the muzzle.

Is it hard to get 7.62x39 in America ?? What about the bigger NATO round that the newer ones shoot?

>>30441004
7.62x39 isnt that hard to get and .308win/7.62x51 is pretty common

Anyone own a PK belomo sight? What are your impressions?

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>>30440085
Not green out of 10

>>30440830
Yes that's a wasr. 650

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>>30441409
To be fair, your's isn't green either.
Needs about 10 more coats of the trans-tint to make it not baby shit green.

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>>30441475
Nah it was the clear coat i put on it.Really drew out the grains color for some fucking reason.Still looks good when its in non shit lighting.Heres a pic of a Romanian stock i did for a friend.

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>>30441504
Again, I have to disagree.
Has nothing to do with the "grain" nor the clear coat and everything to do with you didn't stain/dye it enough.
>You can clearly see the wood grain here >>30441475 and in this pic

But it's clearly your first try, and for that, it's not terrible.
Keep trying, you'll get it figured out.

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>>30440630
I bought the close out on scratch and dent. It shoots so far (150 rounds) the bolt carrier is near impossible to get out to clean it but possible

>>30439410

If it's new it better be hand knotted wool, custom, and even then it's still overpriced by about 20x.

If it's an antique, then it better have Henry VIII's dandruff in it or something.

how to fix a tilting 7.62 follower?
do i just scrap it
>tilts and shits itself at 20 rounds loaded, its a 30 rounder

Would a type 3 dust cover fit an AKM?

Is there any way AK's are better than AR's, ferreal.

The only real advantage I can think of is that they are made of more durable materials.

>>30440596
>t. I've never shot an underfolder

When will this meme die?

>>30440160
Please go cut down a bakelite mag than superglue the lips back on and see how well that holds up please. Also I don't live in Texas and don't have a full auto FAL, I wish my FAL was full auto however, I have posted about once in BRG ever and did not have to argue with a retard whom thinks the G3 is better than the FAL, if the G3 was better than why did more countries use the FAL? Also I see you never posted your AK.

>>30442297
You should buy an 2 ARs hen, right?

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>>30442297
There isn't a definitive answer to that question. It's all preference.

>durability
That's a meme. Lately ARs seem to be able to take a heavier beating than AKs. I picked an AK because the 7.62x39 round doesn't fuck around. Also they look cool.

>>30442320
What does that have to do with what I'm saying?

>There isn't a definitive answer to that question. It's all preference
It really isn't, like you said about AR's being more durable now.

> 7.62x39 round doesn't fuck around
5.56 does proportionately more damage to the human body when you consider its size and weight

>>30440630
I have one. It's been excellent so far, though I have only fired it a limited amount. Posted a review on the last thread.

A lot of people seem to hate the gray parkerized finish but personally I really like the light gray color. It's darker in person. Also, the finish matches across the whole rifle in person; I guess it's just the lighting on the picture.

>>30441949
That's odd. Mine comes out just fine.

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>>30441949

>the bolt carrier is near impossible to get out to clean it but possible

fucking what? it shouldn't be difficult at all to remove the bolt carrier.

>>30442370
That reminds me of when I was checking out a Zhukov RAS at my lgs, I popped the dust cover and move the bolt carrier all the way back to check the action, when it popped out of the receiver. With the guide spring still in mind you. Not really sure if that's normal. My WASR doesn't do that

Does anyone have a link for a good manual on building an AK from scratch?

Thanks in advance.

>>30442354
https://youtu.be/synlZgnTnXg
ARs are more reliable and durable. Ammo is more common, as well as parts. AKs have a reputation for being tanks however they really are fragile in some areas.

Also, the. 223 is the tumble round that was designed to incapacitate the target. The 7.62x39 has much more knock down power, and will do much more damage after it leaves a hole in your ass.

>>30442576
so this whole post backs my point about AR's being better, right?

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>>30440105
>.. But.. But I've changed

>>30442585
I'm trying to say it's preference. ARs have a slightly higher base cost.

Do you want an AR? Cool, get one. Do you want an AK? Cool. Get one. If you're looking for someone to say one is better than the other, good luck finding an answer.

Just Google-ing/YouTube-ing 'AR vs AK will send you down a rabbit hole of opinions which all center around what I'm trying to tell you: PREFERENCE

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>>30442618
Your post proves it isn't preference though and that the AR is categorically superior

Can you build your own ak? Also is vepr master ak race?

>>30442342
>using PS

Stop this shit.

>>30442624
not him but how is this post proof

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>>30442626
Yeah, but it's not like building an AR-15

Also, VEPR/SLR's are about as cream of the crop as you can go

>>30442635
>AR's are more reliable and durable
>.223 round designed to incapacitate target
which is the important part

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>>30442624
If you say so m8.

>>30442653

lol?

spot the summerfag

>>30442663
Get rid of that pmag

>>30442653
>what do you prefer: the post

>>30442671
I'm trying. :( they work fine for the mean time

What's the concensus on Croatian BHO mags? Also CTD has Gibbs steel mags for $12. Are they any good?

>inb4 buying from CTD

>>30442699
Oh I know they work fine, I just hate to see a otherwise decent photo ruined by Magpul.

All these AR AK memes fml
>take it to thehighroad faggot

>>30442699
Just get some like this from apex
http://www.apexgunparts.com/ak47-30rd-steel-magazine-7-62x39-hungarian-excellent-5940.html

Quick question. Will a VEPR-12 gas block/FSB fit on a VEPR in 7.62x39?

>>30442624
12.5" barrel 2250fps 124gr hollowpoint on a folding stock AK that I can fit in a backpack.

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>>30442653
All military ammunition is designed to wound as well as kill. That's why we don't use hollow point rounds or any other expanding ammunition.
That being said, it does still VERY easily kill

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>>30442624
>>30442831
Maybe bring 75 round neverfailstofeed.gif drum, and couple mags of reloaded steel core for chopping up cover/cars

>>30440683
They dont stand behind their product. I bought a 14LH to 22mm adapter, and the threads are cut oversized, and any 74 brake you put on it has significant wobble. Their email fix was 'just tighten it down against the FSB, except it is impossible to do that because the detent just slips under the brake's threads. I asked for him to measure some of the ones he has there to see if mine is out of spec.... No response yet, so fuckem, they are shitlisted.

>>30441982
lemme ask you this: is it magpul/aftermarket shit? or milsurp?

>>30441993
all dust covers fit all ak's, just like recoil rods, trigger groups, etc etc.

>>30442297
try getting a stuck case out of an AR when you cannot get the bolt to reclose over the case.

>>30442699
>What's the concensus on Croatian BHO mags? Gibbs steel mags
Never buy Serbshit

>>30442927
Have you tried some lock tire on it? It sucks that you have to resort to it, but better than nothing
>>30442937
Why is there so much hate for yugo/serb shit? I thought they were supposed to be pretty quality compared to say Romanian surp

Ok guys,

i'm the guy with the chewed up saiga bolt.
>see pic.

Now i found the problem!

When the bolt is cycled it rubs against the bullet head and the steel casing. this causes the chipping.

How can i prevent this?

I just filed my magazine catch down so it can accept regulat ak mags.

Never heard of such an issue before desu.

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>>30443156

meh...pic:

>>30443156

to be clear....it rubs against the bullets in the magazine.

>>30442830

No, way too big.

>>30442927
>all dust covers fit all ak's
For the most part this is true but not entirely. For example a polish smooth topcover will have fitment issues if used with a Russian safety lever.

>>30443156
Wish I could help you but I've never heard of such a thing before. The only advice I can give is to keep an eye on it and see if it gets any worse. Sometimes things like this only get so bad before they just stop.

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Just picked this up from my FFL.
Puppers is pleased.

/akg/ was wondering what your thoughts are on what you all believe to be the best iterations of the ak platform? Not necessarily the cheapest, but if you were allowed to own only 1 civilian allowable ak platform gun, what would it be and why?

>>30438972
Real galil or Tenngalil build?

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>>30443580
>what would it be and why?

AK105, no question.

>still keep all the benefits of a 74 and the 5.45 round
>shorter with no real performance drawbacks
>lighter out in the front
>able to mount lights closer to the front end without causing too much shadowing

>>30443637
I agree, tho any Russian or Bulgarian ak74 rifle variant would do me fine.

>>30437419
Like the other guy said it's heavy as balls I have one and it is very solid just heavy. If weights a concern I would go ultimak or rs regulate I can not justify the price point for the rs rail though

>>30437419
i had the MI mount, sold it for the rs mount. dont go cheap, save up and get the rs mount. its worth it. you can get gently used ones from ar15.com's EE.
i bought both my like new rs components for $130ish total

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>>30443696
Arsenal sm-13 mount is solid and light weight.
>~$120

>>30443696
>I would go ultimak

This. Though, there is a caveat as it does put more weight out in the front end of your rifle.

But an ultimak is easily the most cost effective mounting solution if you think about it. This is assuming that anon wants to mount a dot instead of glass.

>enough to mount a red dot, qd point for a sling and a flashlight+mount

I'm thinking of selling my rs 301/AKML. Don't really like red dots on my ak.

>>30443165
>>30443156
Maybe you got a non heat-treated part. Mistakes like this happen. Worst case scenario you order another bolt from Apex. Always check headspace when dicking with bolt or trunnion.

>>30443747
i had an ultimak and would agree about it being the best cost per performance option
i hated the extra weight out front and heat going to the optic was always a concern of mine.

>>30443445
Thanks chimps. I will have an eye on it.

>>30442591
good choice of ak my friend, i have the same one. friendly advice: fucking don't touch the shepards hook

>>30443165
That bolt looks strange, I've never seen one with that bump on the bottom.

Look at some pictures online, personally long as it functions fine I wouldn't worry about it, or file it smooth

>>30444234
Yeah, i will shoot it. Since the locking lugs seem to be ok. :)

>>30444014
What's the Shepard hook?

>>30443580
I'd keep my fixed SA-85M
>classic, classic AKM
>elegant, you have to hold to appreciate
>Beautiful machining and assembly
Doesn't get much better in the States for a factory built rifle that delivers a tactile sense of the cold war.

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>>30444286
its a spring that holds the trigger and hammer pins in.
the hook can be a pain to get back in, most people replace them with a retaining plate, which works and is much easier to install

>>30443733
Huh I didn't even know they made mounts thanks man

15% off vickers slings at blueforcegear if you guys haven't seen, promo code is AR15EMAIL. Coupon for $20 should also be included with your package.
>inb4 shill, just saw it this morning and thought I'd put it out there for anyone considering one in the faggotgenerals

What's the best way to mount an optic for those of us with aks with no side mount? Railed dust cover or railed gas tube?

>>30444502
Check out the Attero mount as well

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>>30444502
>>30444517
I've got the Attero Arms B mount. Works well and is really solid. I've got no problems with it after several hundred rounds.
I'd like a TWS gen 3 but it costs more than I'd like. This was it.

>>30444565
Sweet. I'm surprised more people haven't given it a run, especially on side folders.
>light
>cowitness
>absolutely minimalist and clean
From all accounts as rugged or more so than a reflex sight

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>>30444565
Here's an attempt at the sight picture. It's a weird angle to take but it has a built in rear iron. It's a rough sight since it's a good deal wider than factory but it works.

>>30444444
Doing this to see the get

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>>30444399
Check out akou they have a video for it.
> more than pleased with mine

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>>30444595
Mounts to the rear sight block through a roll pin where the rear sight hinges, and it's clamped down by a replacement to the leaf spring that's threaded to receive the clamp down bolt.

>>30444593
It's ok for any red dot really.

I only did it to keep weight down by not adding parts, just replacing. I don't expect to make 300yds shots, and it works well enough for me.
With money I'd have gotten the TWS. This keeps me from taking off the top cover quickly. It's still removable, it just takes a bit of finessing.
After seeing that combat footage of some guy clearing an AK after a series of malfunctions, the next AK is the TWS

>>30444593
>given it a run
>run
oh fuck no

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>just picked this up
>looks and feels better than my old WASR ever did
Couldn't be happier. Debating on get an ALG AKT for it.

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>>30444679

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>>30444769

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>>30444679
>>30444741
>>30444769
Pretty.

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>local range allows 3 inch magnum slugs in bays but not 7.62x39

That settled my debate on whenever I'm getting an AKM or Ak74 next pretty quickly.

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>>30444798
Yeah, I'm not 100% sure on the quality of the wood though but it's thick enough that it should hold up

>>30439706
It's the remains of a Bushmaster Assault Rifle from the early 1980's I picked one up really cheap and had kept it stock until I found a cracked rear takedown pin mount and a broken handguard retainer. So it got a handguard built from two Mossberg 500 pumps and a modified VLTOR ARM stock that was cracked in shipping. It fits in well with my Mossberg shotgun made from Maverick 88, 590, 835, and 500 parts.

>>30444807
Probably because steel casings are a fire hazard.

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Holy fucking shit, I keep racking my brain over this and can't come to a conclusive decision /akg/.

I can't decide if I want to get this Kit Build Pretronov made from Polish parts with already attached (nice looking at that) wood furniture

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/petronov-arms-polish-ak47-rifle-detail.html?Itemid=0

vs an Arsenal SLR-104 (since 107's are about as available as a grandmother's tit milk), where I would purchase aftermarket furniture for extra.

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/component/virtuemart/shipping-rifles/arsenal-ak74-rifle-slr-104-33-detail.html?Itemid=0

I can't decide, I've been reading through forum after forum and reviews comparing both and I just can't come to a head. I don't know which one I want. If I could get both I probably would, but I can only get one. For what possible reason should I get or not get the Petronov Kit Build as opposed to the SLR?

What get?

>>30444914
>implying this hard
wew

>>30444931
Why not both? Personally I'd take the 7.62x39 option for a first AK although Im not 100% on the Petronov Arms build quality although all the parts are quality.

>>30444914
>what the casing is made of
>mattering at all

The only reason ranges disallow steel cased ammo is because they're jew.

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>>30443733
You really should take more photos like this it makes me feel things i dont understand and makes me want to buy an arsenal

>>30444945
This.

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>>30444959
You like Arsenals?

>>30444943
Well like I said, I can only get one, because that's all the money I have to afford.

I'm really leaning partial towards the Petronov cause boy does it look fucking beautiful to me, but the flip side of this is that I don't have an accurate gauge of Build Quality and Control as opposed to the time tested Arsenals quality.

I only have the word of Atlantic and Petronov to go off of and that's not a very promising metric.

I was hoping somebody else with more knowledge and experience would be able to help me out here.

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>>30444990
Arsenals yes i had a 106 for the longest time in my collection and loved it to death but bills had to be paid

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>>30445035
Well I only have a lowly SLR-104.

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>>30445063
How do you like it ? Im thinking about picking up a SLR-107FR with the plum stock but the guy wont answer my hails

>>30445102
It's pretty alright, personally I'm not a fan of the aesthetic of the SLR-107fr which is why I went with the SLR-104fr. It's not a real AK-100 series rifle and it never will be, so why pretend, y' know? I'd go with something thats a regular AKM or a milled AK if I were going .7.62x39.

>>30444679
Mah nigga. Is that from Atlantic?

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>>30445129

>>30444931
They're both solid choices in my opinion so it really just comes down to personal preference from your perspective.

The only thing that would really change my mind is if there were a lot of bad reports about Petronov Arms. I've never heard of them before, maybe they're the latest rebranding of Lancaster or something. I can almost guarantee that the Arsenal will be functionally solid, even if it has canted sights and a bubbly finish, but I would do some research on Petronov if I were you and factor that into your decision.

That's a really cool Polish kit build, to even have a Polish barrel and originally Polish receiver.

>>30445162
Petranov Arms bought Lancaster's equipment kinda like DDI did with Waffen Werks.
No "rebranding" fortunately.

Atlantic's post about Petranov
>Lancaster was forced to sell their parts and tools at auction and this was purchased by Anthony Petrone and he then formed Petranov Armament . The former Owner Chet Durda and other workers were long gone before the auction took place and they have nothing to do with the current business . Petranov has built rifles for Atlantic for 2 plus years and this far we are pleased with their builds and the customer service.

But they are selling something, so I take that with a grain of salt.

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>>30437891
>all dat bakelite
>all dat plum

>>30445217
Well fuck, I was throwing out Lancaster as a worst case scenario sort of thing. Now if what Atlantic is saying is true, and NONE of the Lancaster employees or affiliates have anything to do with Petronov at all, then that would put me mostly at ease. But I'd like it a whole lot better if they weren't associated with Lancaster in any way.

>>30445162
Basically >>30445217

Is the same research I've come across, and I mentioned it >>30444991

I only primarily have the word of Atlantic and Petronov to go off of, but it's like >>30445217
said, they're selling something, so it's not exactly the most reliable metric.

But on the other hand, I haven't heard any explicitly negative things about them either.

>>30445141
Yup

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>>30444959
That I can, I need to get a pc so I can make some sweet fps .gif

>>30445270
>But I'd like it a whole lot better if they weren't associated with Lancaster in any way
Very true, but it is what it is.
Petranov seems to be doing ok work, but until someone like RobSki puts one through the ringer, nobody will readily throw money at a relatively unknown builder.
Especially at their asking prices, people don't want to be the proverbial guinea pig to find out.

>>30445275
Well if you get it, inspect it thoroughly before you ever shoot it. Check for canted sights first and foremost. Check to make sure the receiver rails are welded in perfectly parallel to the receiver. Check all the rivets, inside and out, and make sure they all have nice looking heads and none of them look fucked up. Check the rivets and make sure none are loose. You want them all to be tight and flush against the receiver. It would be nice if you had headspace gauges to check the headspace but most people don't. You might find a gunsmith willing to lend you one for a minute.

Only other thing would be the gas port size. I'm pretty sure those polish barrels are imported virgin without the gas port drilled, which if true, would mean that Petronov is the one who drilled the gas port. Obviously you can't check that though. You'd just have to go off of how the rifle felt when shooting it. If there's entirely too much recoil then the gas port is oversized and the rifle is going to destroy itself.

>>30445270
>>30445326
I suppose I'm missing a bit of history here. Wouldn't mind being filled in.

Also, Atlantic doesn't specify what caliber the barrels are rifled for. Would you know by chance?

>>30445396
Right, will do in that case. And in any bad case scenario, I have 1 year to send it back. I know a shop in town that has a gun smith, I'll ask him to check it out in that case (of course I'll buy something as well, want to keep em happy).

>>30445413
Lancaster is a dangerously sketchy gun manufacturer that evidently went out of business. Problem is with sketchy, fraudulent companies like this is often times they will restructure and change names to try and get a clean slate before they pull the same shit again. I'm not sure if Lancaster has ever done that but I know Hesse/Vulcan has. I dunno, Lancaster might be another iteration of Hesse. I don't really keep up with these fucked up companies except to know to avoid them.

In any case Lancaster is bad bad news, and would not be above renaming themselves as Petronov Arms. Petronov Arms is a completely independent company operating Lancaster's old equipment, if Atlantic is to be believed.

>>30445413
Also, 7.62x39 of course. Did you mean the twist rate?

>>30445593
Sorry, misterminology on my part, didn't mean rifled, meant what caliber are the barrels chambered in?

Apparently 7.62. Thanks.

>>30445613
Underage or just summer newfag?

>>30445682
Fuck off.

>>30445690
Sorry, guess I shouldn't have repeated myself :^)

Just passing through, but is a Mak 90 good for $900?

>>30445697
Depends on the rifle and condition but it's not a great price by any means.

>>30438525
Hornady and Monarch do manufacture 5.45 in the US you imbecile

>>30445729
Not sure about Monarch but I'm pretty sure Hornady uses imported cases to make their 5.45.

>>30445727
It looked pretty nice and it is an earlier production, according to the seller. If I jewed him down to $600 would that be a fair price? I offered $500 and he flatly said no.

>>30445775
600 would not be bad? Is it all original?
Slant or flat back ?
>if it's slant I'd pass

>>30445775
>asking $900
>offer $500
>surprised when he said no
Have you never haggled in your life?

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>>30445785
Sorry I'm not sure, but I think it's slant. That mean's it'll probably be harder to put a different stock on right?

>>30445837
Sorry I'm not very good at being jewish. I figured that if I started at somewhere like $700 I'd never get a fair price since I can seem to find it for $650 on gun broker. This will be a better deal though since I don't have to bother with FFL and shipping.

>>30445956
>sending him links
>being this autistic

>>30445956
>that link
>current bid is $671
Are you retarded? That thing is going to explode to $800

>>30446045
>>30445956
Yeah I'm not taking the time to copy down that link but unless you're looking at Buy it Now values, it's irrelevant because the auction could go as high as people are willing to pay.

The guy took your lowball offer with superhuman politeness

>>30446073
It's just this: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/567840348

>>30446073
No shit I would not even dignify that with a response.

>>30446018
>>30446045
>>30446073
Ok, I guess I just don't understand how things work. I'm just used to my hunting rifles costing $350. I guess if he tells me to fuck off I'll have to take it and thank him for the time he put up with communicating with me.

I thought my edge would be that he may not have an FFL and he won't have to deal with shipping so I can just show up to his front door and hand him cash.

>>30446147
Maybe that kind of convenience has a dollar value, too.

>>30446147
>Ok, I guess I just don't understand how things work.
Did you not realize that Gunbroker is an auction site?
>I'm just used to my hunting rifles costing $350.
Well a semi-auto AK that has't been imported since the mid-90's isn't really your $350 hunting rifle. Also, genuine question, are you underage?

>>30446147
Bolt action rifles like that are usually much less industrially intensive to manufacture, since they have a much simpler action. Also the Chinese AKs are banned from import, so any Chinese AK in the United States has at least a little bit of collector appeal.

And yeah, not having to ship or go through an FFL is an appeal to both of you. Actually it's probably more appealing to you than it is to him.

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>>30445129
Yeah but for right now the plum is calling me to it more then the caliber is im in a hilly/mtn area so 350yrds is the farthest ive seen a field stretch before dipping or rising 100ft

>>30446154
Yeah, I don't know though, he probably is set for life and his old lady is bitching at him for not ever using it.

>>30446198
I knew it was an auction site. I've used this tactic of linking cheaper prices online to get pistols for a reasonable price too.

Usually hunting rifles are usually cheaper, yet have a round that can travel farther. I know you already know that, but what I'm saying is I value range over rate of fire. I'd probably be dead if I ever had to fight with that AK because that means I'm already too close. I'm not saying my way of thinking is the only way of thinking, but it's how I value things.

I'm not underage, I just don't like to buy under FFL. I just think it's unjust and I don't have any felonies over my head either.

>>30446281
I know, I guess it just isn't worth that much to me.

>>30446881
>I knew it was an auction site. I've used this tactic of linking cheaper prices online to get pistols for a reasonable price too.
If I were him I'd almost being insulted that you'd think I was that stupid to fall for the price in an auction before the bidding was even over.
>Usually hunting rifles are usually cheaper, yet have a round that can travel farther. I know you already know that, but what I'm saying is I value range over rate of fire. I'd probably be dead if I ever had to fight with that AK because that means I'm already too close. I'm not saying my way of thinking is the only way of thinking, but it's how I value things.
Seem that be one of the reasons I figured you're underage because that's fucking retarded.
>I'm not underage, I just don't like to buy under FFL. I just think it's unjust and I don't have any felonies over my head either.
Yeah, uh no

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>>30446881
>Have a round that can travel farther
>I value range over rate of fire
You are a colossal faggot. Literally the biggest faggot I have ever seen in my life. I cannot express how stupid you are.

Please, sell all your guns and just pick up a hobby.

What is the benefit of this over the ar 15?

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According to the guy selling this mag, it's 20-30 years old

Because I (and most other people) had never seen these before, I assumed that these were relatively new prototype magazines that Izhmash was just now pushing out

All these new mags coming out of nowhere is making my head spin
>desiretoknowmoreintensifies.Jpg

>>30446985
Aesthetic and they don't feel like toys.

>>30446985
.30 blows limbs off, .22 just maims
>nuff said

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>>30446974
>>30446983
lol, AK worshipers can't take my pleb tastes. I guess you guys wanna someday be in a big city with your AKs and get killed by grenade shrapnel and not even get a single shot off.

>>30446974
Most of what you're saying is right though except how rate of fire is better than range. Btw, 223 is dog shit.

Now if I could buy a 7.62X54r, I would pay more than $1200 If I didn't have to go through FFL.

>>30447089
>1st type of cool
>guess he's being snubbed on this forum

>>30447089
Please post your guns unarged noguns or just leave, this is AKG not ARG.

>>30447089
>lol, AK worshipers can't take my pleb tastes.
It's just an odd way to put it and it's pretty fucking try hard.
>I guess you guys wanna someday be in a big city with your AKs and get killed by grenade shrapnel and not even get a single shot off.
You realize AKs in 7.62x39 have no problem tagging people out to 450 yards or so, right? If you're shooting people at that distance and you didn't shoot first, you should consider offing yourself.
>Most of what you're saying is right though except how rate of fire is better than range. Btw, 223 is dog shit.
Just stop... Seriously...
>Now if I could buy a 7.62X54r, I would pay more than $1200 If I didn't have to go through FFL.
You can pick up a x54r VEPR for pretty about $800-900, I'm not sure your objection to filling out a 4473 and doing a background check is for one rifle though. I mean I don't agree with that we have to but unless you're a felon or underage theres really no reason to have it prevent you from making one purchase.

>>30447089
When shit goes down he will be perched up on the town's water tower taking 500 yard potshots at looting dindus and UN """peacekeepers"""

>>30447138
Thanks for taking the time for respond though.

>>30447151
I don't have any AKs, only hunting rifles and pistols. Unarged noguns?

I'd have the same arguments against ARG too. Retards who want a high rate of fire rather than a round that you can use from farther away.

7.62x39 < 7.62x54r also, 5.56x45 < .308

I believe that when the US changed over from the the larger 30-06, they wanted to cull the fighting forces of the US, just like how Russians sent soldiers to the front without ammo

>>30447246
That's what I'm saying, 450 yards isn't very far away. I think you're underestimating how much of a bitch I am.

223 as well as the 7.62x39. I only want to get into these rounds because of how cheap the ammo is. I don't know how to cast my own rifle bullets.

As for your last statement, I think it's morally wrong. I think that way about loans too so I've never taken a loan from the back. Whole nations like Greece go bankrupt because of mannerism of individuals like taking out debts. The same will go for us by abiding by unjust laws.

>>30447363
I'm gonna try to be innawoods, but let's be honest, I'll probably die within a month. At least I realize there's nothing to fight for in the city when I tell my "red neck" co-workers that muslims are evil and that governments actually push them into our countries and my co-workers say that's bullshit.

Shit, they don't even accept the idea that muslims are evil.

>>30447680
If your not talking about aks than leave akg. Also your logic is you want a round that you can use from farther away rather than something that's lighter thus letting you carry more of it and has less recoil than your stuck in WWII or pre-WWII logic. Warfares changed get over it.

>>30447680
>I believe that when the US changed over from the the larger 30-06, they wanted to cull the fighting forces of the US, just like how Russians sent soldiers to the front without ammo
Do not breed

>>30447753
This.

>>30446988
Neat. How much did it cost you?

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>>30447151
>>30447680
Fuck off "TheRussian" you were banned for a reason.

>>30438416
........dave?

>>30447748
That's silly. Why aren't MBTs full automatic yet then?

>>30447753
>>30447763
So send your men 2000 miles over a sea (when speaking about the US) and giving them a smaller round in a shit platform isn't sending your men to be killed?

Russians had more soldiers than rifles though.

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>>30447680

>>30448002
We basically have those, their called IFV's its the same reason we have M110s with M16/4s, not every fucking soldier needs a 308 when 5.56 has the same effect on people, marksman's doctrine for every single soldier is retarded.

M16/4
>shit platform
Ok please take your durr rifle and 1911 and leave now.

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looking to get my first ak before november.

thoughts on the ras47?

>>30448086
>every thread
Here's the answer: "No"

>>30448009
Ford was a eugenics, socialist faggot who supported Hitler, scum of the earth.

>>30448049
>marksman's doctrine for ever single soldier is retarded

So then the rest must be cannon fodder then who should equip bayonets and charge at the enemy.

I'm sure a lot of us has seen in city fighting with the russians and isis. I don't wanna be there.

I think you guys are just too confident in yourselves.

>>30448086

U.S made AK's are junk.

>>30448086
ras stands for Really ass shooter

>>30448201
Run Away Scared 47

>>30448147
>>30448165
But why? even at $590?
how does it compare to the n-pap?

>>30448233
It doesn't, the RAS is shit. Get a WASR.

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>>30438219
I pretty much did the same. Stripped, sanded. But instead of going straight to oil stain or shellac. I used Rit scarlet fabric dye to give the wood a deep Russian red color. Being careful to not let the dye dry (if you do it will crystallize). Apply, let it sit for 5 or so mins to absorb in, the wipe off. I probably did 5 coats or so. I steel wooled between coats.
After the dyeing was finished I applied a few coats of red mahogany stain and then a few coats of clear satin poly to seal things up. Pic related is the result.

>>30448233
RAS-47s have this funny tendency to walk out headspace and explode on people. Plus they use shitting castings in precisely all the wrong parts.

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>>30448275
Mind you this is cheap chink wood, so it didn't have the best grain to work with. But for my first refinish I couldn't be happier.

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>>30448275

>>30448149
>So then the rest must be cannon fodder
not him but haven't you ever read what makes up 100 men?
90 are cannonfodder
9 are competent
1 is the warrior who tries to bring them all back alive.

>>30448275
>>30448292
>>30448310
you did pretty good.... until you choose to use Minwax polyurethane

>>30448086
I've always felt that these would be good as bulk buy's for like a middle school or high school summer camp, but not something you would buy for personal reliability and taste.

Like a intro gun for the young minds of our generation.