AR Thread/AR General/ARG

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>>30140279
also post your edc

13 or 15 inch rail?

I was thinking 15 for extra grabby/mount space and barrel protection

>>30140306
Are you planning on needing a tourniquet every day famalamadingdong?

>>30140378
15 for aesthetics

>>30140306
why a pencil and not a pen?
stop fucking up and you dont need an eraser

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>>30140338
Suppose you're gonna say these are bullshit too?

Why so salty?

>>30140378
16.5 for maximum grabbage

>>30140388
>being prepared to put holes in people
>not being prepared to stop yourself from bleeding out

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>>30140279
won't argue with that

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>>30140338
>he can't shoot
top kek

>>30140279
didnt see you made a thread too

>>30140306
Where is the diaper to keep your destroyed sphincter from leaking down your leg?

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>>30140409
i forgive you

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>>30140279
>guysnamedlee triggers go on sale
>every faggot in arg has one now.

Real milspec has been killing spooks and gooks for 50 years and you fairies need a handicap to hit anything at 100yds.

Let that sink in

>>30140378

15" for that arg shitposting aesthetic.

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>>30140279
I have the best trigger on the market though

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>>30140427

>>30140422
>>every faggot in arg has one now.
thats how i feel about acogs. the new plebs choice

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Here we are again. In another /arg/. When will it end?

>>30140468
IN 60 MORE DAYS

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>>30140446
Here's your (you)

Post your rifle anon.

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>>30140446
its the one optic that'll really stand the test of time though.

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>>30140478
What is in 60 days? WHAT?

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who /opr8swithpupper/ here

>>30140509
your denied form 4, jk

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In case anyone is interested and didn't already know

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>>30140406
RIP
AR Gold confirmed best.

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>>30140511
>no pupper hearing protection

>>30140539
>he doesnt have home made suppressors
l m a o

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Why is this so cheap?
http://www.tacticalassaultgearstore.com/gdi-r-com-e-model-combat-optic-mount.html

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In

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>>30140511
Me >>30140509

>>30140539
Mutt muffs are the way to go for puppers

>>30140553
>home made suppressors
>All the suppression of a real can with 5x the weight and size!

>>30140521
I might have agreed if I filled it out myself, by Capitol Armory did it. Those guys are gr10.

>>30140571
thats not a pupper, thats a rat

anyone know a company that makes a lightweight, like pencil profile 11.5" barrel for reasonable?

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>>30140557
Because it's fake as fuck.

>>30140422

>>30140557
Because you touch yourself at night

>>30140441
I had that exact knife and if completely fell apart on me after a year and a half. The spring assisted opening jumped out of it's groove and fucked up the internals too.

>>30140587
I've got a BCM lighteight 11.5" barrel, but I bought it as part of a complete upper.

>>30140557
the site does look legit, even though ive never heard of them.

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>>30140580
Wow wrong again, you're on a hot streak tonight!
>doesn't even keep a subcompact pupper
I bet you don't even have emergency backup pocket pupper either. Good job being prepared, loser!

>>30140587
No.

>>30140607
I know i'm supposed to be king cheapo but I broke down and bought a benchmade knife a few months back. How did I ever get along with my kershaws and CRKTs before?

>>30140439
How are you liking that trigger? I'm thinking about getting it for $125 and waiting a couple of months.

>>30140629
kys kek

>>30140635
better than my SSA-E tbhwyj, cant beat the price either

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>>30140587
If you are willing to go shorter, the Ballistic Advantage 10.3" Hanson works well for me. Their 11.5" is gov profile sadly.

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Now I just need to get rid of this BCM stock and replace it with a SOPMOD or Vltor stock

>>30140638
It's two stage right? Are they planning a flat one?

So school me /ARG/, if I'm looking to go ultimate poorfag on a budget 5.56 suppressor, what do I get and why?

Seriously debating some Form 1 paperwork at the moment

>>30140629
At least you replaced yours with something. When mine exploded in my pocket and stabbed me in the leg for the second time I just put it in a drawer and forgot about it when I moved. Now I just have this tiny spyderco folding knife I found in the woods.

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>>30140655
If you want a rear hook I like the EMod, but for just general use the Sopmod gets my vote.

If you do go VLTOR, electricians tape is the #1 mod.

>>30140664

a gatorade bottle stuffed full of steel wool taped over the end of your barrel

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>>30140664
>if I'm looking to go ultimate poorfag on a budget 5.56 suppressor, what do I get and why?

Fram

>>30140649

must be 11.5".

because reasons.

>>30140657
yes and i have no idea, i would guess no

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>>30140667
Nothing wrong with free knife, my friend. Also there was nothing wrong with my kershaws, I just wanted to buy something for myself that day.

>>30140664
Hello friendo, I am pixel; The Poor Man's Champion (tm). As king of the cheapskates, I am here to tell you that suppressors are not the place to cheap out.

However, there are good deals to be had! You should consider the Specwar K, which might very well be the best bang for buck can on the market. See, even a broke fellow such as yourself can life the high life!

>>30140681
How do you like the battlecomp?

>>30140688
kek

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Tomorrow.

http://palmettostatearmory.com/16-mid-length-5-56-nato-1-7-a2-profile-without-bcg-or-charging-handle.html

Can't wait niggas

>>30140716
Do not buy, that rifle is a relic of the past for me before all the testing on the Battlecomp actually came out.

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You had one job, Brownells.
One. Job.

Oh well, let's hope against hope it works better in the A1.

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>>30140732

>>30140727
care to go into further detail? i ask because i just got a BC but havnet fired it yet. its unfired so ive been thinking of reselling it. the reason i got it was because i wanted performance in an a2 flashhider size

>>30140407
The ironing

>>30140593
Everything else on the site is appropriately priced.

Why would just this one thing be fake, and have a fake-item price?

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>>30140681
I had a rifle mod stock on my first build circa 07/07 time frame, I really liked it. I also have had a sopmod(b5 and LMT) on all my personal and work rifles since 2010. It all comes down to which one I can find on jewbay when I'm ready to buy.

Pic related is my first abortion.

>>30140446
Acogs are like $1000 bare minimum. Calling them plebs choice is a bit much.

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>>30140726
cool

>>30140732
>that dust cover, kys

>>30140707
Hey pixel, I hollered at you a few days ago about suppressors. I got the specwar k 556. Feelsgoodman

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>>30140749
fuck finally, i've been sitting here holding my breath, waiting for a reply.

>>30140707

hmmmmm...what about legit solvent trap builds that you get serialized and Form 1'd?

I really just want that suppressor aesthetic while being able to get that decibel reduction

>>30140571
>Capitol Armory did it
Wait wut?? They will do all that shit for you????

Never even heard of this. Whats the process? I have been eyeballing suppressors for a while but always thought it would be a huge pain in the ass.

>>30140747
It doesn't compensate very well, especially for the price. If you wanted flash hiding, the A2 is markedly better at the job. Up to you since you already have it, but I would steer people away from it considering the purchase.

>>30140760
It is a good stock, and great to shoot with a rear bag, it just tugs on my whiskers something fierce without the tape.

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>>30140800
nice air shit

>>30140787
It only counts if it hits the target.

You scored 1 out of 10.

:^

>>30140787
that wasnt me, i honestly was just fuckin with him, he seems kind of arrogant, came off as an asshole.

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>>30140768

You kys, pinko fgt. :^)

>>30140787
Nice 25 yard group there, skidmark.

>>30140808
Capitol Armory are great guys, although I am now concerned that there is a trip so close to me.

Most good dealers will help/do all your filing for you.

>>30140818
no, i dont need a flash hider, i just wanted something that size, no bigger ie surefires.
>It doesn't compensate very well
you might be the only one ive heard say that. i think the biggest complaint about the BC is it works too well, that is to say it makes the front dip a bit after each shot.
i think ill just have to shoot it and see for myself.

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>>30140758
Look at the emblem they use and tell me that fly by night airsoft shit is legit. This one is real.

If they're real, I'll buy 3 of them right now.

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>>30140834
MSD is the one that shoots under 100y and thinks hes good shit

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>>30140779
Good to hear, buddy.

>>30140804
If you get quality parts, you're going to spend some money. If you pay to use a machine shop to properly finish it, that's more money. Any in the end, IF you have a suppressor that brings the noise down, it's going to weigh 2-3x as much as a manufactured can. The only reason to Form 1 a suppressor is if you're a professional machinist AND just want to screw around. Both conditions must apply. Otherwise you are always better off buying a manufactured suppressor.

>>30140808
Yes, you pay money and they do the rest. Literally. If you're in Texas and have a CHL, they will ship it straight to your door when it is approved.

>>30140842
Perhaps thats what I felt with it, but all I knew is that it didn't keep recoil inline like my more standard brakes do.

>>30140818
Yeah I have to be clean shaven for work so facial hair getting caught is a non issue for me.

>>30140852
Well fuck me. I need to move to Texas.

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>>30140821
Anderson AR, with a RFB 37mm? Are you retarded?

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>>30140758
>hurr why is this $200 mount $39.95 guize?

LMAO kys faggot.

>>30140818
>it just tugs on my whiskers something fierce without the tape.
Lol I have the same problem. I like my beard too much to shave it though.

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>>30140906
oh ok so its just actual shit

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>>30140536
in it's defense that was damn near 15000 rounds. still need to send em an email and let em know

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>>30140846
>logo printing never changes
Why wouldn't they be real? Everything else on the site is real. If they were trying to pass off a fake, why would they price it so low?

>>30140924
>implying noveske, PSA, Anderson, and DD parts don't come out of the same facilities
Oh wait they do

>>30140557
Because it's clearance

>>30140846
It looks like they just changed their logo

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/R-COM-E-Model-Combat-Optic-Mount-p/gdi-rcme.htm

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How does /arg/ store their funs in their vehicles?

>>30140939
m8, did you fuck up you BAD screw?

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>>30140980
I had to take it off to install the KAC ambi mag release a year ago and it stripped so I dremeled that bitch into a flat head. are you proud of me?

>>30140974
By putting them in a case and stuffing them in.

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>>30140974

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>>30140999
>are you proud of me?
yes, and not just because of the trips.

>>30140974
pic

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>>30140942
Buy one then. What's the worst that could happen?

>>30140607
> had the tanto version for 6 years before the spring assist failed on me, weird

>>30141029
I'm not seeing a cogent counter-argument here. More like defensive behavior to protect your purchase.

I sold my ar so I can stay in Europe for another month
Goodbye forever you tripfag shitposters

>>30141087
Unless you're in Poland you're wasting your time.

>>30141087
Bye bye cucky

>>30141104
Germany

>>30141087
I hope you are teletubbie anon.

>>30141108
>he actually spent money to stay in Germany for any length of time

I would tell you to kys but your life must suck so bad it would probably be an overall improvement.

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>>30141108
Enjoy it while it still exists.

>>30141108
convert to islam, they will pay you to stay.

The police here carry mp5s and hk53s
the beer is cheaper than the water
And the girls want American sick so bad

>>30141108
Do you regret losing the war? How many of your female family members have been raped?

>>30141133
Rhe Muslims are no worse than the Christians in the US
Some are hardcore and some are cool
Fuck spellcheck

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>falls asleep for 300 posts

So someone talk me out of the UBR.
>$220
>one pound
>fixed cheek weld, 7 pos. Adjustable
>storage pocket is removable
>included buffer tube

It seems hated but it feels like a really good stock

>>30141155
I'm from Tennessee anon, my grandpa didn't lose the war

>>30141162
>Rhe Muslims are no worse than the Christians in the US

Where are christians crashing passenger airliners and decapitating people in the US?

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kinda random but i decided to wrap some athletic tape around my trigger. very minimal difference but it has a better feel then with just metal on skin

>>30141168
Sopmod or die

>>30141147
You don't even know how to reply to posts, be gone forever and avoid le friendly brown men.

>>30141162
Oh fuck and he's an athiest liberal too. Another reason to filter anon

>>30141062
I've been doing this long enough that if it sounds to good to be true, it usually is.

Like I said, if you want to buy one for $39.88 then by all means, go for it. Mine came with my used ACOG, so I'm not financially invested in them whatsoever.

>>30141183
are you Indian?

>>30140852
Yup. Thanks for all your help man.

>helpful trip is helpful

>>30141179
When was the last time you saw that in Germany? Someone has been on /pol/ to much, it's not like you cucks would know anything about the world outside your moms basement anyways lol

>>30141183
>>30141192

Poo
In
Trigger guard

>>30141192

no i just lived with my rifle 24/7 in the middle of nowhere for the weekend

>>30141185
>filter both trips and anon
>/arg/ is at its absolute best

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>>30141203
They're too focused on little girls and boys to worry about german numales and faggot politicians.

>>30141203
>When was the last time you saw that in Germany?
Soon enough

Can anyone comment on/compare the MBT, SSA-E, and HSNM triggers? Or are they all "close enough" to each other?

>>30141236
Just get the AR Gold

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>>30140726

Wait a little longer. I got the same upper for $200 and it was a blem. Couldn't find the blem. You should be able to get it for about $230.

The only benefit yours has depending on what you like is it is Chromed. Mine is melonited and it's great.

>>30141203
It was in Russia but I guess that doesn't count.

When I get back I have to drop 1k into my ar so it's not so ugly and basic
Are DBALs fun to use? Doesn't seem like It would get much use

>>30141263
There was also decapitation in england, and the france attacks and the airliner that just departed from france that went down.

brussels


>hurr well germany did not have any yet but we are importing millions of the people doing it and it wont happen here!

>>30141147
>The police here carry mp5s and hk53s

In non-shit countries the civilians can carry these, too.

>And the girls want American sick so bad

There's a reason for that.
There are two kinds of people who will touch most German grills:
1.) muslims after 6+ months of goat pussy deprivation
2.) you

>the beer is cheaper than the water

Because the water generally tastes better.

>>30141289
>>30141213
kek

>>30141263
Where did that happen in Russia?

>>30141284
Don't bite the hand that grants you unlimited citizenship I guess.

>>30141304
Just molest the hands in public pools until you are the majority, then start knocking airplanes out of the sky and decapitating.

>>30141301
Look up the video of the religion of peace advocate holding a severed 9 year Olds head at the subway

>>30140279

>railz 4 dayz
>no optic

laughingirls.mp5

If u guys don't want to go to Germany don't go, but you are missing out

>>30141334
I still like the look of just irons over any optic desu familia.

>>30140407
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

>>30141342
No we aren't, please stay there.

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>>30141342
Missing out on..? Getting raped and / or murdered by some "refugee"?

>>30141347
KAC sights are the most sexy

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>>30141334
>rail that weighs less then a carbine length milspec hand guards

>saving up for an accupower

kys

>>30141353
My AR is calling my name, I can't stay here
It says it needs its t-2

>>30141371
>saving up for an accupower
i thought you were pinching pennies or some shit to get by in life

>>30141368
I just got the mbus pros. Should be here tomorrow.

>>30141371
What handguard?

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>>30140539
>30140539

>MFW I see a service dog with no pet sign and I pet anyways

>>30141355
Lol like niggers don't do that in the US

>>30141386
OPs pic- bcm kmr

>>30141381
My rifle came with the KAC, people are missing out on that front sight, it's expensive as fuck tho so maybe not

>>30141397
Guess you better let that happen to tour country too then hanz.

>>30141380
ya i am

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AR pile made me pretty happy guize.

>>30141409
All irons are too expensive in my opinion.
Jelly over KAC though

>>30141410
>I am from Germany

>>30140279
>he didn't buy a Daniel Defense
>laughing girls.bin

>>30141423
I know but 300 dollars for tiny pieces of machined metal? Fuck

>>30141433
>buying pleb guns like Daniel defense
Lol

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>>30141397
Yeah just in most places you fucking shoot them for it.

I'd much prefer niggers over Muslims any fucking day of the week

>>30141403
Thanks anon

So these are apparently a thing

https://www.etsy.com/listing/292948363/metallic-series-battle-worn-hexmag-5?

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No irons are the way to go

>>30141342

Went to Berlin and Dresden last year, was glad to be back home afterwards.
Thank god the employer paid for the trip and allowance.

Even German servicemen are so cucked they can't wrap their heads around the concept of private gun ownership, let alone any form of carry.
The least pussified and politically correct person in there was some young fatass US Army captain there on joint exercise.

>>30141455
There are mostly Tunisians here, who like weed and alcohol but also don't act like they are niggers, I'd much prefer a Muslim over a nigger
How many Muslims have you met? None?
I am in no way defending what the terrorists do, and Islam defninatky has issues, but you are just showing your ignorance by spewing shit from /pol/

>>30141479
Berlin is shit, no wonder you hated it
That's like taking a vacation to New York lawl, I'm sure you are glad your employee laid for it
I'm just north of Stuttgart

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>>30141480
Yeah, you're right, I shouldn't generalize all the sand niggers into one.

But regardless of the people their religion seems pretty fucked

>>30141477

Nice paint.

>>30141480
>How many Muslims have you met? None?

hopefully keep it to a minimum

>you don't like the people that subscribe to the ideology that wants to murder you
>how ignorant

Fuck off libshit

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>>30141477
i didnt have irons on this because the mount isnt qd. plus the optic is plenty durable. things have been swapped around since this pic

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AR newbie, I apologize for anything ignorant I might say. My brother is gifting me a PSA stripped lower. I wanted to build something like an M16A4. Non-retractable buttstock with a 20 inch barrel. Can anyone point me in the right direction for affordable kits?
If anything, I might just get this for now.

>>30141168
I like my gen1 pretty well. Only complaint is it isn't quite long enough (my ACS-L is a full inch longer at full extension, and yeah I removed that screw in the UBR). I have it on an SPR-style rifle so the weight of the gen1 helps balance it out.

It is expensive though.

>>30141515
No more fucked yah southern baptists (unless terrorists)
I'm from eastern TN , when they say hellfire they mean hellfire

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>>30141528
You can get the stocks for like $40-60 online, dunno bout the upper though m80

Sorry

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>>30141477
agreed

>>30141523

Thanks bro

>>30141371

>Buying a magnified optic that is not an ACOG
>2011+5
>ISHYGDDT

>>30141528

Look into PSA for complete uppers. I would advise not getting a separate barrel and bolt from different manufacturers, they may not headspace correctly, creating a world of headaches. Buying a complete upper will ensure this doesn't happen.

>>30141538
And that would be the stock itself? No buffer tube or anything?

>>30141528
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M16-Government-20-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-gov-20.htm

Get this and a handguard+BCG and you're set.

DO NOT BUY PTAC, PSA is fine, but PTAC is garbage

>>30141528
Don't cheap out and don't impulse buy, I did that with my colt and thankfully I got a good price out of it (what I paid)
DONT IMPULSE BUY

>>30141560
I'll definitely keep this in mind, thank you, I dont want unnecessary headaches. I rather not get any headaches at all, but since this will be my first build, it will be inevitable.

>>30141547
>2016
>actually buying into the ACOG meme

>>30141560
while this can happen, chances are slim. so slim in fact, i wouldnt worry about this unless it was from a really shit company

>>30141236
Haven't shot the MBT, but I've shot the SSA, SSA-E, SSF, SD-C, SD-E, HSNM-M, HSNM-DMR, and HSNM-SR.

Of them, the HSNM-M has the lightest pull at a measured 2.9lbs total (it's a 2-stage) but the SD-E had the best feel for me (I don't like 2-stages and do like flat triggers) and a pretty good measured pull of 3.2lbs. The HSNM-DMR actually feels heavier than the SD-C. It's similar to the SSF but has a much shorter reset. The HSNM-SR is very niche, has zero overtravel but a ton of takeup in the first stage.

I know triggers are heavily personal preference, but I'd rank them SD-E, HSNM-M, SD-C, SSA-E, HSNM-DMR, SSA, SSF with the HSNM-SR in its own niche category.

>>30141572
>>30141573
Its gonna be pretty hard lol, I'm gonna have to save some serious cash for a few weeks.

>>30141600
It's not worth it dude, don't be a teenager
You will have a hard time selling that for a pod turnaround

>>30141589
ACOG is literally the best magnified optic ever made.

>>30141618
Dat eye relief doe

>>30141528

Get this
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M16-Government-20-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-gov-20.htm

Then get an LPK and A2 rifle stock kit from PSA.
If you want an actual A4 clone, track down some PS Products M5 RAS handguards, or seconds KAC M5 RAS and a Matech or KAC rear BUIS from eBay.

>>30141600
do your future self a favor and really try to research your options. youll be much happier making an informed decision, instead of having instant gratification

>>30141600
>>30141614
>its not worth it dude

But it totally is though. Start saving a bit of money every paycheck for the AR build. It should take about 600 to be set with a quality rifle and a mag or two

>>30141474
>Duracoat
>30 bux a mag
Not for long

>>30141618
That's a good joke m8. Find me all the top 3 gunners who still use ACOGs. Oh wait, you can't because the low power variable is king.

>>30141526
w2c gucciflage B5?

>>30141618
Ya in 2001

>>30141623
depends on the model. the ta31s have the least eye relief

>>30141645
Lmt best sopmod

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>>30141645
i painted it. too much tacticool IMO though so its been stripped since

>>30141669
You did a damn good job. Stencil kit I assume?

>>30141669
Noveske barrel too? I've heard those are more accurate than mine but I haven't shot much through noveske
Next time I go to the range I'll grab some gold medal or something and test

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>>30141566
You can usually find combos. Give me about 15 min and I'll look for you if you want anon

Can I buy a multical lower and use it for 300 memeout build? Also whats a good lower parts kit for a first time ar builder?

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>>30141688
thanks. yes, a stencil kit. i wanted to do the whole gun but its bitch trying to get that flimsy web stencils to stick to uneven surfaces.
>>30141689
its a 14.5" noveske skinny barrel. its their SS barrels that have a good accuracy reputation. the rest of their barrels are just name brand gucci. i really overpaid- it shoots about as good as any other chf pencil barrel. live and learn

>>30141756
PSA moe / standard lpk

>>30141756
300 AAC will fit in 556 mags, you could use an Anderson (correct me if I'm wrong guys)

>>30141715
I would appreciate that, thanks m8

>>30141771
>>30141756
>>30141762

yes

>>30141760
I love name brand Gucci
My KAC is pretty accurate

>>30141669
Details on dat handguard?

>>30141816
Different guy, but it's a Geissele Mk4 rail in "desert dirt color" which is their version of FN's 50 shades of FDE.

>>30141643

>3gun
>analogous to real life

nigga are you even trying?

>>30141870
3gun is real life, that shit is actually going on, unlike the shit preppers think will happen.

you're never gonna fight the blue helmets or fend off the tyrannical government, but you might just end up being at a 3gun match.

>>30141774
>everything everywhere is too expensive and out of stock

This is one of the places I found:

https://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=296

And other places like BCM do carry them but nobody has jack shit in stock right now

pb where did you get your a2 stock at?

>>30141890

ask those guys in three gun if they would rather use a rifle, pistol and shotgun or run those stages all with an AR and ACOG.

Ill bet you near 100% chose the latter.

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>>30141870
Yeah, shooting quickly and accurately has nothing to do with real life, that's why SF soldiers shoot 3gun in their spare time and why SOF units are issuing variable power scopes instead of fixed x4 optics. Heck, there are SF guys going out and buying their own variable power scopes. You think a guy who gets paid $80k annually would spend $2500 on an optic that will get beat to shit for work, for no reason?

Not to mention that most of the triptards here will never need to fire a shot in anger, and that a red dot would be a lot better in a home defense scenario anyways.

pic related, it's a SF guy's gun with personally owned optic. Note 3 gun fuckery including Arredondo magwell.

>>30141919
>an acog on your AR is better than a pistol or a shotgun
Nigga, I would rather shoot an AR with irons rather than fuck around reloading a shotgun or shooting a pistol. That's totally irrelevant and you're retarded.

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>>30141919
they use what the stage calls for

>>30141929
here's a few more that differ from that one

we can both play that game

>>30141952
>all variable power scopes, not ACOGs
Not sure what the disconnect is here, I thought someone said the ACOG was the best optic ever made?

>>30141941

ACOG confirmed for master race.

It is literally the best of all worlds. Can use it from 0-800 meters.

>implying 5.56 is effective past 500m

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>>30141870
3 gun is great training tool

>>30141919

Then ask them if they would rather use an AR and ACOG or AR and a low power variable scope, you mong.

>>30141969
>implying you can't do that with a variable power scope
You realize the eyebox on a good 1-6x optic is so big you can shoot it on 1x as fast as a red dot, right? And you have just as much optical clarity and actually more magnification than an ACOG on the top end. Seriously anyone who pays variable power money for an ACOG in 2016 is retarded.

>>30141979

I want to get into some 2 gun type stuff because I feel like the shotgun draws focus away from the parts of 3-gun that I am interested in.

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>>30141967
i was just showing that because one person does it, doesn't mean it's the best

>>30141984

you really gonna fumble with dials and use the 2x 3x 4x 5x?

fuck no you arent

you will either use the 1x or the 6x

get an ACOG and lrn 2 BAC

https://www.trijicon.com/na_en/company/unique_to_trijicon.php

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>mfw sitting here and think the arguments for all the optics talked about have merits and it comes down to personal preference if you liked fixed mag, dual magnification, or adjustable

>>30142010
>you will either use the 1x or the 6x

And what is wrong with that?

>lrn 2 BAC

BAC is neither exclusive to ACOGs, nor really very useful. If it were, Trijicon wouldn't have made a habit of slapping MRDS on top of ACOGs.

>>30141997
Doesn't make ACOGs good. The reality is that many SOF units are getting away from them so long as budgets allow.

>>30142010
Where did I say I would mess around with the 2x, 3x, etc. powers? You shoot 1x up close, any distant targets (past 200-250, size dependent) just slam that bitch to 6x and you're fine. And if you really think BAC is as effective as a proper 1x you're smoking crack. It's been tried over and over and it just isn't as effective as seeing the target and reticle with the same eye. There's a reason they sell the versions with piggyback MRDS.

Also, does Trijicon's website tell you about phoria?

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?34549-The-Effects-of-Phoria-When-Using-the-ACOG-as-an-Occluded-Eye-Gunsight

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>>30142048

I use the BAC and it works great with my optic and I don't feel like I need a red dot on top. Once again it's preference, although I have an inkling that many people who want the MRDS on top never learned to shoot a magnified with both eyes open.

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>>30141993
I couldn't find any 2 gun in ohio. The shotgun stages are fun atleast.

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>>30142073
>Doesn't make ACOGs good.
nah, the nearly 30yr track record does that

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>>30142095

That does look fun at least. It looks like a fun stage to blow off steam and not take your score too seriously if you don't care about actually winning.

Because typically when being competitive, I try to beat the last score I had. Because the best way to be the best is to improve yourself in my opinion, rather than beat everyone else.

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>>30142113
>if you don't care about actually winning.
winning is fun

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>>30142113
The sheriff star is fun for shotgun but a bitch for pistol
>>30142123
>competitive OPERATIONS group
kek
that rifle was hot as hell when it was black.

>>30142123
What other guns do you have giddy?
You never post other shit

>>30142048

MRDS is for the genetically inferior who fail at BAC

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>>30142154
nothing, i don't own any guns, am i being detained?

>>30142148
it's too bad the guy who ran it died, they put on great matches.

>>30142102
That's a totally illogical argument. You realize that 30 years ago your only options were the ACOG and the Aimpoint, because even the Bushnell holosight had yet to be invented? Of course they were used, nobody knew how to make a variable power rugged enough for military use at that time. That being said, by the late 90s Delta had already started doing T&E on variable power scopes. It's not the 80s anymore, why use ACOG when much better value is to be had?

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>>30142176
>why use ACOG when much better value is to be had?
why don't you ask the sf guys that still use them, since you seem to be in love with sf

>>30142148
Texas stars can suck a dick

>>30142203
You realize he's a Ranger and they don't allow personally owned optics, right? It's an issued scope.

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>>30142222
i don't know shit about oper8rs other than some of you guys take what they say and do as gospel.

>>30142222

Army allows personal optics that are .mil approved.

So basically ACOGs, EOTechs, and Aimpoints. Probably Elcans too.

Really the only reason to do this is if your unit has fucked you sideways without an optic, or they give you an optic that does not suit your role.

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>>30140279

just put this together, need to get an optic still

>pls no bully

>>30142274

Functional/10. You're doing fine.

>>30142274
suprisinglygoodforbeinganon/10

>>30142247
I actually don't. To be honest, if all the competitive shooters thought ACOGs were the heat, and the SF guys thought variable power scopes were best, I would side with the top competitors every single day of the week. When the vast majority of both fields like variable power scopes and the few people who like ACOGs are tripfags, I think it's an open-and-shut case.

>>30142254
That's just not true in every unit, depends on your leadership to decide. Ragnars are notoriously oppressive about following unit SOPs in gear setup, as well. If you are a cherry batt boy and you show up with a personal optic they will laugh you out and your TL will tell you what the fuck to draw from the armory and put on your gun.

>>30142274
What do the safe/fire/auto engravings say on the lower receiver?

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>>30142274
surprisingly good/10

>>30142287

That's true. Aside from stickler units though, if you have a good relationship with your leadership and have an approved optic, all you have to do is ask and they will probably get the go ahead. I know a few people who bought ACOGs for Afghanistan because they were getting issued M68s.

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>>30142274
IF THOSE MARKING ARE ANY THING OTHER THAN

>SAFE/FIRE
>SAFE/FIRE PICTO
>OR SAFE/FIRE/BINARY

KYS 0/10

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After a quick Google search, I discovered the Spikes Crusader triggers the fuck out of liberals extra hard.
Makes me want five

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>>30142341

>>30142341

I almost bought one myself last week, for whatever reason the translated text on the other side of the lower ruined it for me. Found a gen 1 chainsaw noveske instead.

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>>30142341

>>30142341
does it have the double dicks logo on the other side?

>>30142361

No, but it has the english translation for latin words on the other side of the safety. Blank magwell.

>>30142287
>I think it's an open-and-shut case.
agreed, acogs are for the cool guys and variable is for mainstream dorks

>>30142376

ACOG = no moving parts, no batteries. Master race for fighting rifles confirmed.

How is this even a discussion

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>>30142376
wut about red dots?
pleb tier?

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Uh oh. Can I play guys?

>>30142408
cool ak-47 bro

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>>30142403
red dots are cool but only on barrels <13.7"

>>30142399
I think that's a conclusive argument for factory attached iron sights, welded directly to the barrel, with no adjustments for zeroing. After all, the only thing that matters is durability, right?

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>>30142408

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>>30142416
works for me

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>>30142421

Good argument, autismo, that's definitely exactly the same.

I've never seen or heard of SF units running variable power.

>>30142474
well you dont hear a lot

>>30140403

Wear a ducking belt.

My grandfather got his leg stuck and mangled in a machine when he was younger.
Used his belt to tie his leg off and step from bleeding out.

One of my wifes coworkers was also hot by a vehicle while waiting sitting on a metal bench waiting for a bus. Chopped her leg off, a bystander took his belt off and similarly used it to stop the bleeding.

>>30142485
I feel like you think I have an opinion in the argument. I don't. This is just news to me.

>>30142123
what brand 1911?

>>30142469
>implying the exact same variable power scopes people have been taking to war for years are somehow insufficiently durable, with no evidence.

>muh no batteries
Enjoy your tritium illumination always being at the wrong amount for the situation, washing out under weaponslights, or washing out while looking from a dark room into a bright street.

>muh no moving parts
Yup, those awful moving parts are so terrible, why even shoot autoloading firearms. Let's go back to the muzzleloader days. You realize that the only additional moving parts a variable scope has are the ones for the actual variable power, right? AKA the parts that are under no real stress 99% of the time.

>>30142474
>literally pictures in this exact thread
You don't hear much but you also don't see very well.

>>30142486
>[bleeding intensifies]
>im here with my ducking belt!
>QUACK QUACK QUACK
>thank you ducking belt man!
>no mam, thank you!
>*runs away* QUACK QUACK QUACK

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>>30142474
operators love variables

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>>30142511

>>30142513
P aesthetic. I can see the logic behind it.
>>30142509
Sorry I don't look up pictures of operators anon. I'll try better

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Good ight ARG, this ACOG vs Variable Power because muh speshul forces and competition shooting has been one of the better circles jerks I've seen in a while. Enjoy yourself faggots.

>>30142595
Night bud.

>>30142148
>>30142095
>>30142220

I got a star, next up is one of these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FNDCL6Bpqs

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>>30142595
You're welcome for the massive shitposting.

>>30142610
Oh god why.

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>>30142610
>mfw i had to shoot a couple of those at a match

>>30142613
In addition to the plate rack, I wanna get one of these too.

It gives you a nice go-nogo target where you can either shoot all of them at one or one the white or the orange.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImAVxdHI0ww

http://mgmtargets.com/gravity-moving/double-whirly-gig-sup-reg-sup

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>>30142610
might be easier then the star.. seems to be a lil slower. does it come with the over weight wanna be swat guy? if so I'm sold!

>>30142613
>>30142634
I want the MGM spinning plate rack because it's 3/8s ar500, so you could do something sadistic like put it at 150-200 yards and do AR-15 standing speed trials.

You fags bitch about groups, lets see you do that shit!

>>30142640
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81gLoMt4g9A

It would be fun to take one of those polish plate racks, paint one side's plates a different color, and shoot it like a dueling tree. So as you knock off your targets you fuck with the spin and throw off the other guy.

>>30142474
The Elcan SpectreDR and VCOG have been staple optics since at least 2006. The Millett 1-4x saw limited use from 2001-2004, though they were purchased at the unit level. The Leupold Mk8 1-8x is now widely issued and in general SOF inventory, complete with NSN. S&B Short Dots were what the Mk8 replaced, in service from ~1995-2010ish.

>>30142705
I wasn't really speaking to the elcan. Although I'm not sure why. I was talking about the ol walk it in variable. I would really like it if elcan would lower their goddamn prices

>>30142717
I personally don't like the Elcan. Too bulky, too heavy, nowhere close to a true 1x, the whole "any little thing in the exposed adjustment carriage fucks zero" thing. I mean, I certainly wouldn't turn down a <$500 one in good shape, but that's pretty much the limit of what I'd pay for one.
>ACOG has better glass anyway
My unit got issued a whopping total of 4 of them (they probably ran out of ACOGs during the transition from the CompM2 to the CompM4+ACOG) and I was horribly disappointed in the glass quality. Everything was washed out and the edge distortion was fucking Barska-tier bad. And that was before I knew they were a $2500+ optic.

>>30142634
How would you do if your paper target was attacking you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxI9Gbhwba0

>>30142739
What's you're go to optic or what would have been on deployment?

>>30140629
A Pupper is a puppet even when not a pupper.

Back on my parents farm, we had Barn cats that out operater'd both me and my old man on a daily basis, killed rabbits, skunks, raccoons, hell, even had a cat kill one of the neighbors dashound pups And drag it across the lawn, and across a hayfield to under our porch.

#teambattlecat

My forest station in Yellowstone has a bobcat that frequently will have her kits near the building during the summer. Usually we hear them and sometimes see them out playing near the buildings and if a tourist makes their way out to the building we start yelling at them to get the fuck back.

>>30142744
That's p. cool. I want one now.

Old range that I used to go to had a shoot house stage for their 3gun/2gun/combat carbine matches, and some of the doors would have target stands on screen door springs mounted to the wall behind them.
>open door
>target stand to the face
Bloodied more than one person's nose when they didn't react well/fast enough.

>>30142751
Currently? Of the ones I own it's a tie between my Strike Eagle and my Leupold Mk4 1.5-5x.
>Leupold is smaller and lighter, has slightly better glass
>SE does significantly better in low light (30mm vs 1" tube, 24mm vs. 20mm objective) and is probably more durable due to 30mm tube.
>SE has the better reticle, plus daylight-bright illumination (mk4 is unlit)

Of the ones I wish I could afford but have some experience with, the Mk8 1.1-8x or the March 1-10x SFP.

For what I had/wished I had on deployment, for the role I was in and where I was deployed, I was pretty happy with my CompM2 and later my CompM4. I didn't need a magnified optic and kinda had to throw a fit to keep my CompM4, since I had one of the highest qual scores in the battalion and they wanted to give me an ACOG.

>>30142790
They're 1500, and can be used from both an attacking point to a sideways dash.

>>30142172
SIR PUT THE GUN DOWN. PUT IT DOWN NOW

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>>30142806
(Reaches for pocket constitution)
DROP THE GUN
(gun fire)

>>30142860
>pocket constitution
>not having it tattooed on your forehead

It's the current year, get with it. Jesus

I think I'm gonna get the second amendment tattooed on my body somewhere

>>30142946
Penis or go home

>>30142946
Have it mirrored on both arms.

Make sure they put "RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS" in capital and bold.

Bonus points if you're a hairy motherfucker.

>>30142951
Why would I get a tattoo on my penis?

>>30142954
Was thinking "the second amendment" and "shall not be infringed" in red and have the text I between black. No cringy artwork or anything though

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>>30141760
Glad I bought their stainless barrel for my accurate build.