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>>30135204
>precision shooting
>posted by Giddy
something seems fishy about this thread

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>>30135204
In for fluffy is the new CG

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>>30135204
In

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>>30135219
A man can dream

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I used to do competitive precision smallbore.

Honestly don't think I want to get back into it. I want to do some 2-gun type stuff.

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In. Preci-what ?

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>>30135255
i have been told that my handguard paintjob looks halfway decent

and that I should paint my stock as well

suggestions ?

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>>30134581
>obviously presents a safety issue if you ever attend force on force training

Wow. Could you even have come up with a more outlandish issue than that?

>>30134646
>>30134554

What's all the fuss about 3rd pins?
I have one and I can promise you with absolute honesty no one in the ATF gives a shit. :^

>>30135214
>I'm getting a hard on everytime I think of the CZ BREN 805 11"

Go ahead and rent one for an afternoon, it'll cure the hard on and save you quite a lot of money.

>>30135285
>A1
did you finally find one ?

>>30135285
For real ? Also can't find one to try it out.

>>30135280
Kys?

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In - for I should've built my Ar a long time ago.

>>30135333
that seems rather permanent
anything less kys-y ?

>>30135375
Paint the whole thing like the rail

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>>30135375
Make love & life

>>30135375
>Erase paint of handguard.
>Paint it all pink and red.
>Call your AR the Bloody Pussy.

>>30135295

Yep. It was right under my nose the whole time, in a LGS that has a worthless webpage that doesn't list shit.

>>30135301

For real. I've served with the BREN for some time (fortunately not anymore), even took a small arms instructor course and an armorer's course for it during that time.
It started out as complete garbage, got the living shit hotfixed out of it which pushed it into mediocre tier, but it's still absolutely not worth the price. New issues keep surfacing and it doesn't matter whether it's the rifles manufactured in 2012 or 2016.
>broken bolts, carriers, stocks, receivers, charging handles
>misfeeds that require sending the gun to the armorers' workshop, where half a dozen armorers end up standing around the rifle and shake their heads in quiet amazement
>worst behaving 5.56 gun I've ever shot by far, despite being front heavy as shit

>LPK finally shipped

YES

>>30135280

Do it. Paint the MRDS, too.

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Whats the best AR multi tool to get and why does every multi tool on Primary Arms have reviews that says it sucks and to get a better one? Do I need to spend the 60 bucks for the one at Brownells?

>>30135491
get the Magpul wrench

>>30135375
Leaving /arg/ forever?

>>30135460
Shit. I really loved my VZ 58. Thought I would get somehow a modernized version and a cheaper and better looking SCAR for half the price.

>got more stuff in to do AR steel challenge and light 2-gun
>supposed to thunderstorm all weekend

Fuck

>>30135204
You won't get your sled by friday

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Colt 14.5" heavy socom barrel, bcm a2x flash hider(pinned and welded by ccs), 6 position mil-spec receiver extension(buffer tube), Colt butt stock, matech buis, Cardinal upper receiver, smith enterprise bcg, New Frontier Armory alum lower

Any reason not to trade a barebones WASR for this AR?

I was looking for either a 14.5 or 20 inch, and this rifle seems very practical. He's going to substitute the BUIS for the carry handle, it also just has milspec carbine handguards on right now.

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>>30135545
>supposed to thunderstorm all weekend.
and?

>>30135527
>showpiece 805 brought to a meetup by CZUB representatives
>shooters aren't exactly excited, CZ reps get touchy and start pulling the hater card and waving muh standard issue around
>FCG shits itself in the middle of the session, refuses to reset itself, has to be reset by pushing the trigger forward after each shot
>cue 50 flavors of buttmad

There still might be some hope for the 806, but the 805 is kill.

>>30135591

Sounds like a decent enough deal to me.

>>30135604
>expecting the supreme gentlemen of /arg/ to take their toys out in the rain
Also I'm not hanging around a field of steel targets when it's lightning out. Kills the use of paper targets too.

>>30135491

Spent $15 for mine on Amazon. It works fine.

>>30135637
I'll wait for the 806 then. That's a shame.

The only other brand I would go to for handguns is CZ. And they killed that loved with the P07 duty. Talk about a piece of shit. Though I still really love the CZ 75 in general. And those idiots still don't make a CZ 97 with a rail.

Gnnn. Oh and I only have HKs now. And they still don't want to sell me parts. Fuck my life.

>>30135280
Shit, didn't see in the old post. Yeah I was talking about my ARS one.
>inb4 "it's not flutted mate"
it is. May not be on every single one of them though. I've seen another one that didn't have the 60degree safety, different stock and different barrel profile. Also the barrel twist is 1/8 and not 1/7 like the new ones.

>>30135697
go buy a sphinx for a handgun

>>30135204
>giddy
>precision

>>30135794
Your late >>30135219

>>30135697
Get a Sphinx fullsize or compact. They're really good.

>>30135788
Nearly did. But I have two USPs and a HK45CT on his way. And a KSG. I think I exploded the gun budget, spent something like 4k €in a month.

>>30135804
I just got here don't bully ;_;

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Lmao @california residents that are about to get blown the fuck out by EVEN MORE gun control

How far can you accurately shoot 55gr with a 1/7?

>>30135952
Literally depends more on barrel quality than twist

>>30135952
whats "accurate" to you and what are your trying to do to the target? just hit it?

>>30135933
Now what

>>30135992
Shooting at UCLA

>>30135933
Kek, i'm sure more gun control will prevent another school shooting

>>30135968
Hopefully killing chest sized targets at 300yz with stockpile ammo.

Is that asking too much of 55gr?

>>30135966
Do we base that solely on barrel material or are there manufacturers pushing out shitty barrels with good specs?

Is there an approved barrel manufacturer list?

how about a nogo list?

>>30136007
how many ded I'm at work and can't look

>>30136068
2 I believe

So /k/ is fine at work, but news websites aren't?

>>30136028
>Hopefully killing chest sized targets at 300yz with stockpile ammo

Perfectly capable. I spend most of my time at the 500y line with Wolf Gold on torso steel.

>>30136085
I would have to read a lot of bullshit to find out two ded when it takes one second to read your post. Thanks btw bb

>>30135933
>>30136007
>>30136068
>>30136085
God fucking damnit

>>30136109
Actually it sounds like a targeted thing and being it is a college they are probably white so maybe the media will leave it alone...unless shooter used an AR but it doesn't seem like it

>>30136109
l m a o. Turn in your 80% goy

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>>30136028
Difficult to say, but yes, there are companies that put out what should be VERY accurate barrels just by internet conventional wisdom, but are actually putting out paper tigers.

(Low quality SS barrels)

Then there are companies that put out Chrome lined barrels that should, by conventional logic, be less accurate than an SS barrel that end up outshooting them by a mile.

Take giddy for example: he had(s) a Noveske barrel that was generally regarded as high quality and had great specs, but it shot like garbage.

At 300 its a literal nonissue to shoot 55g ammo out of a 1/7

I think the negative effects only come out at MUCH farther, as overstabilization is IMO largely overblown in ARs

>>30136095
Cool, I have not done much shooting past 100 yards but I am planning on getting some property and want to build a rifle for property defense and learn how to shoot it well.

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>>30135933
im ready

Just bought my first nfa item for my AR. Sico specwar k. Opinions?

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>>30136133
>At 300 its a literal nonissue to shoot 55g ammo out of a 1/7
>
>I think the negative effects only come out at MUCH farther, as overstabilization is IMO largely overblown in ARs


In that case I might as well get the 1/7 so I can shoot heavier stuff if I ever come into a windfall and decide I want to shoot it farther.

>>30136144

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>>30136144
I'll admit I keked.

But still kill yourself

Anybody have experience with Aero or Faxon barrels?


Also, if anyone is thinking of buying anything from Aero, make an account and put the item in your cart then close the tab and let it sit for a couple days, you will abandon the cart and Aero will email you a 5% off coupon code.

>>30136151
The Specwars are great for the price, and the ASR mounting system is certainly one of the better ones on the market.

Does your dealer have a range where you can pay it some visits, or are you stuck waiting until next April to shoot it?

>>30136213
IIRC Aero has barrels made for them by Ballistic Advantage (also supplies Spikes and other companies).

I have a couple BA barrels, both of which perform well.

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>>30136213
Forgot picture

>>30136133
This, the difference between a 55 and 62 grain round out of a 1/7 is only noticeable once you start getting further out than 300.

>>30136007
That can't be. California has the best gun control around. And UCLA is a huge safe space

>>30136321
Gun free zone sign was not big enough, couldn't see it

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>>30136317
While it prints worse groups for me at 100y, M855 past transonic deviates far less than M193 for me and is reasonably "combat" accurate (maybe 6 in 10 hits) at 750y out of the 16" gun.

>>30136222
Better not take a fuckin year to get hahaha. No range. They said I could go there and mount it but that's it

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>>30136426
Last I checked, wait times are 9+ months with the 41F rush. Best of luck to you!

>>30136439
Where'd you check? You're the only person I've heard that from

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I'm looking for a gr8 red dot sight that won't break the bank. I plink at the range, but my AR isn't doing three gun stuff, so I don't need a $600 Trijicon on my $600 AR. Does /ARG/ have any suggestions for a good cheap red dot?

I was thinking one of these would suffice.
http://www.opticsplanet.com/bushnell-ar-optics-1x25mm-trs-25-hirise-3-moa-red-dot-sight.html

Or even
http://www.opticsplanet.com/vortex-vortex-strikefire-ii-red-dot-4-moa.html

>>30136472
red dots r dumb

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>add gas block (includes gas block)

Do they mean gas tube or is it only the block?

It's an extra $40 for their $30 block so I am assuming they include the 15$ tube in that.

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>>30136508
ty v helpful, good effort.

>>30136471
Keep in mind any dates for received approvals you'll want to add weeks or months to due to the 41F rush.

User submitted dates
http://nfatracker.com/

Dates from SS who is one of if not the largest dealer in the US
http://www.silencershop.com/atf-wait-times

>>30136508
So r ur doggers

>>30136472
$169.99 Primary Arms Advanced Micro Dot

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>>30135204

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>>30136639

Although I had the gunsmith give this one a makeover, it looks like this now.

>>30136639
The rear mount PVS-14 always makes me look twice. Work with what ya got though.

>>30136028

No problem, I was shooting m193 and m855 at paper plates I set up out innnadesert just yesterday's it to around 300 yards from prone with an ACOG and a 1:7 Twist of my 16" Daniel Defense barrel.

On a related note, I realized something yesterday when I was shooting circular saw blades at 200 yards. M855 has the advantage, not in raw penetration, at that range m193 punches right through that steel too. The advantage is in ricochet lethality. If I were to bounce a round of m193 short of the target it would knock it down and leave peppered marks on it but if I bounced a round of m855 short the steel penetrator would stay intact and punch through the steel.

Left little triangular holes.

>>30136658

Yeah, a clip on front mount would be nice, but they go for used car prices (for a decent Gen 3 version).

>>30136544
7 months isn't 9+ months so I'm feeling alright. Two sbr stamps being sent off in 2 weeks.

>>30136007

It's clear to me that it was a self defense shooting stemming from the Milo protests.

What they are not (yet) reporting is that Milo was there this morning, protestors tried to shut down the even (again) and when that flailed to stop the even from going forward they called in a bomb threat.

After that I speculate they were still uppity and tried attaching someone that was armed, got blasted and that is that.

What the media is reporting is 'OMG MASS PREE KILLING WHITE SUPREMIST MASSACRES BABBIES WITH MILITARY STYLE ASSAULT GUNS OMG EVERYTHING IS ON LOCK DOWN SHELTER IN PLACE GOVERNMENT PLEASE SAVE US NO BULLY!!1"

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>>30136727
The new face of white supremacy

>>30136707
For you I hope it is only that long. I saw wait times blossom from ~30 days to 90 days when my friend and I filed our Form 1s 3 weeks apart and the current rush is far larger.

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In for bergers bullets blow
>>30136008
it's almost like they're trying to restrict people not save lives.....

>>30136549
ree

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Whats the point of guuci AR15s when the military and real operators get by more than fine with standard M4A1s?

>>30136803
Sure giddy jr, blame the bullets.

>>30137000
It's barbie for manchildren

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>>30137000
Whats the point of eating nice food when the military and real operators get by more than fine with standard MREs?

>>30137000
>lost every major conflict since adopting AR15 type rifles
>getting by more than fine

>>30137000

What's the point of decent boots when the military gets by more than fine with the trash that is the ACB?

>>30137000
>this is America and I can do what I want

>>30136803
Try some 62gr hornady fmj.

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>>30137000
What is point of buying flashy car from American imperialists when can get by with Lada just fine?

>>30137000
So the baseline of what a basic rifle should include is the following?

LMT Sopmod $199.00
Daniel Defense RIS II $445
L3 ATIPAL $1329
Insight M3x Long Gun $345
Insight Dual button remote $235
KAC 99051 $190
KAC Micro 200-600 $154

Your choice of sight from
Elcan SpecterDR $2300
Aimpoint Comp M4/CCO $958
Trijicon TA31RCO $1724

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>>30137002
It is the bullets, sierra is 2-3 times more consistent
>>30137077
I haven't messed around with an 62grs. out fo the 14.5bcm 60gr sierra soft point is giving me about 1 moa.

>>30137187
I always thought softpoints were shit for accuracy

>>30137187
The 62s are about 10 bucks cheaper per 100 deliver really good performance for the price. I use Hornadys 150gr fmj for my garand and 1903, and the 62s for cheaper accurate 223.

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>>30137218
me too. and it's a flat base not a boat tail. the mk12 barrel doesn't like em as much as the 14.5 but they still do about 1moa
>>30137310
maybe some day.. I came across a box in my basement while cleaning that has about 4000 62gr ss109 projectiles so I'll have to burn through those first

>>30137218
Sierra Gamekings are the cat's pajamas. Solid reliable expansion with match like accuracy at an affordable price you can plink with.

165gr spitzer boat tail for 30-06
100gr spitzer boat tail for 243
65gr spitzer boat tail for 223

>>30136007
>>Murder Suicide
your'e still fucked

>>30137337
>not listening to anon and buying some Hornady 62gr fmj
Besides I hate SS109 because I can't shoot my steel with it

I hate all of you

>>30137424
I said I will after I burn through the ss109 which will take less then a month or two

Looks like they declared it a murder suicide so it will be irrelevant in a day or two

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>>30136395
Yes but 750 yards is more than double the distance I used as an example. Once the round starts pushing that distance it's dumping a lot of engery and will feeling the effects of cross/head/and tail wind. If you have the ability to shoot that far, and the interest to shoot that far and are not using the right ammo for your twist rate then you should accept the results you get. But for 300m and in grain weight isn't as big of an issue.

Like I tell most people shooting that far is a humbling experience because you learn exactly where you need to improve as a shooter.

Do you own personal land that allows you to shoot that or do you have a range that long?

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I've got an M16A4 clone with a carry handle, but want to put an optic on it. Is it pretty much ACOG or bust?

I can get Comp M2's for $290 all day long but outside of "I heard some had those" I haven't seen any evidence they were ever used on A4's.

Anyone know the dealer price on the TA31F or the updated one (RCO or something) that the Muhreens switched to?

Pic unrelated.

>>30137718
The army had Comp m2's on their M16 A4's. But the USMC has always been very exclusive with the TA31.

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im just going to leave this here

>>30137704
You're still fucked

>>30137813
poor britbongs.

>>30137821
What's going on?

>>30137758

Matech rear sight then?

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>>30137705
My local range goes out to 1000y. Of course, the heavyweight high bc loads do far better than the various ball rounds, but you can have a lot of fun for cheaper with factory ammo launching shitty projectiles.

Unless we walk out and put clays on the berms, the smallest targets from 500y+ are 10" rounds so absolute razor's edge accuracy to just ring steel is really not a concern.

Paper at 50, 100, 250
Steel at 250, 500, 600, 750, 1000

>>30137831
He is a calicuck and they are passing laws to ban all guns and ammo.

>>30137813
>not a trigger release
Lantac is behind the times!

>>30137858
Yea, it's hilarious he bought two 80% lowers and now he's gonna have to put serial numbers on them.

That UCLA shooting is going to cuck his shit up bad

>>30137835
Earlier Iraq ones had no fear from what I've seen but the newer ones use the KAC

>>30137839
Nice the only range I've ever used that went past 100m was on fort Campbell and it went out to 8 or 900meters. At every 100 they had steel man sized targets. If you wanted to walk it out to put paper you could but no body ever did.

>>30135249

I couldn't out-meme that AR even if I tried.

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>>30137960
I should have kept that huge bushnell for more lulz pics, but the moa turrets were killing me.

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>>30137960
Try harder then

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shopping for a barrel. is wylde worth it? looking for something under $200.

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>>30137986

>EOTech on top of the carry handle

>>30137997
Ballistic Advantage for $230. You're are welcome

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>>30138029

>VFG
>magwell hold

>>30137034
>Not posting buffalo chicken
What's wrong with you man

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>>30135204
on a scale of "I'd maybe fuck a really feminine trap if I was super drunk and only had to do it doggy style" to "The mountain from game of thrones would feel small in my asshole"

How gay would it be to do a pseudo A1 retro build with a basic modern lower and put wood furniture on it ala NCR Service rifle?

>>30137997
do you need a wylde chamber or do you want one ?

what ammo are you currently stocked on ?

>>30137839
where do you live?

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>>30138136
People build video game clones of the metal gear M4, considering how horrible bethesda is at making weapons you can hardly make a worse rifle than they do.

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>>30138152
Central Texas. Range is Best of the West in Liberty Hill.

>>30138214
I am debating moving to Texas. I just need to find a job there. Unfortunately as an Electrical/Computer Engineer, most of the jobs for my field are in commiefornia.

>>30138136

The service rifle actually has an A2 upper (deflector+round FA+A2 delta ring), just with an A1 carry handle and a weird ass right side charging setup.
The lower is all kinds of fucked, too, no fencing but the vertical reinforcement that is usually just on the left side at the mag catch.

So just do whatever you like, you're not going to appease any autists unless you spend incredible amounts of money on the rifle.

>>30138252
Big Oil is hurting for EEs right now in Texas. If you are interested in supporting an industrial environment you could stand to do very well.

If software is more your bag, you can suffer life in Austin or the surrounding area, but there are some decent ranges if you aren't planning to purchase land.

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>>30135204
Oh boy, my kind of thread!
>>30135223
Implying you're any better

>>30135259
>air rifle
>10m
bitch plz

You're all my little bitches.

To that guy who posted yesterday about his Aero order not shipping, has yours shipped yet? By this point tomorrow they'll have had a week to ship and it still says "processing." By Friday I'll have every other part for my build here except the lower, and there's a 5-8 business day shipping time once they get it out.

This blows.

>>30138061
which one? the spr profile or hanson?

>>30138387
Depends on if you want a heavier profile aimed more at target shooting or a reasonably lightweight tapered profile for off-hand shooting that will swing well.

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I'm going to be ordering a handguard for my 8" pistol build in about a week. At the moment I'm looking at the 7" Geissele MK8, as I like the way it mounts to the barrel nut and the fact it comes with a gas block.

I've looked around for other rails that I like but haven't really come up with anything, I was wondering if anyone else had any suggestions? The slimmer, the better.

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The Brownells 20 rounders look somewhat less shitty than I expected for $14 a piece.
Now if they feed okay that will be just great.

>>30138387
I have hanson but they should both have a sub moa guarantee

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this shit worth it or just a gimmick? who makes the best reasonably price bcg?

>>30138438
you gotta get at least one real vintage 20 rounder

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>>30138456
I think they're easier to clean

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>>30138431
A 7" Noveske NSR if you can find one, or an NSR clone like MAS Defense's rail will be mighty slim.

http://www.shop.masdefense.com/GTLKM-72-KEYMOD-FREE-FLOAT-RAIL-CARBINE-GTLKMC.htm

I went the opposite direction on my 8" 300Blk. Extra girthy.

>>30138175
>F:NV
>Bethesda
LUL

>>30138431
too bad you just missed the memorial day sales. geissele had 15% off i think and PA had 15or 20% G stuff as well.
but the G rails are very nice- i wouldnt call them slim, maybe average to slightly slimmer than average

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>>30138214
Tfw ranges within 1 hour of my house are only 100 yds.

>>30138469

Definitely, but I couldn't find any, all of the offers were expired.
I'll snatch one once it'll pop up again.

>>30138175
>>30138513
i have old snake mod and he's op except when it comes to deathclaws. dumb you cant change out his weapon to a h&k m23

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>>30138497
I was looking at a rail pretty similar to the NSR, it's a handguard sold by Rousch Sports. The only thing that turned me off was the fact that it doesn't have any anti-rotation mechanism, I don't know how necessary they are, but it kinda bothered me. Does the NSR have one, it doesn't look like it from the picture.

>>30138529
I didn't actually know about the sale until just after I ordered my barrel and few other things. If I would have noticed it a before I ordered that stuff, I would have been all over it.

I know geisseles handguards aren't super slim, but I really like the way they look. I would really like to get a Daniel Defense Slim rail if they sold 7" ones.

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>>30138713
NSR anti-rotation is done with a pin that locates in the receiver. Noveske branded MURs are drilled for it, or you can measure your upper yourself and drill it.

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>>30138713
they are nice. i have 3 (sold one to get another one, so 4 total).
i kind of want to pick up another 13" mlok one but the last thing i need is more AR shit

I've been so tempted to do a 14.5 with a surefire muzzle break

>>30138766
>break

>>30138742
I should add that furthermore the handguard mounting screws thread into the barrel nut itself so unless you are worried about torquing the nut off as well the anti-rotation pin is likely non-essential.

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LPK installed. That bolt catch roll pin gave me a hard time so I'm gonna order a few more of those little bastards. I thought a normal roll pin punch would work but apparently you need a flat faced punch for that pin.

>>30138775
I'll brake your anus, pussyboi

>>30138792
go slow pls

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>>30138786
Smooth jaw knipex or some channel locks with tape around the jaws will make installing your pins far easier than a punch and hammer.

>>30138814
/thread

Knipex materrace

>>30138814
>>30138835
>unless you bought the roll pins off some chinkshit seller on Amazon, then they just smash them flat with like zero force

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BCM memefighter grip is coming off when I get home

>>30138835
*masterrace

>>30138849
>>30138835
>>30138775
You should leave /arg/ forever.

>>30138849
>battlegrip
>not Ergogrip
You fucked u-
>$10
Carry on.

>>30138849
the 16 was too slim up top for me. never got to try the 17.
>MIAD GEN 1.0 FO LYFE

>>30138849
I never had the AR version, but I did have the US Palm branded TD grip on my Vepr and I disliked how the hump forced such a high grip.

Probably not as much of an issue on an AR though since a high grip doesn't force the web of your hand into a square receiver.

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>>30138814
I'll give that a shot next time

Also, saw pic related in an AR15.com thread. Gonna try that if your way doesn't work out for me.

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>>30138835
>>30138855
Dude just get the fuck out of here

>>30138742
>>30138776
I suppose the chances of accidentally torquing off a 50ft/lb barrel nut with less than 1 inch of leverage makes anti-rotation measures kind of redundant.

As nice as the NSR looks, I feel like it's priced a bit too high for what it is, I guess you're paying for the Noveske name too.

I might try my luck with the Rousch Sports handguard, it looks quite similar to the NSR but it might be a piece of junk at $45.

I'm 50/50 with paying more for a nicer (although thicker) Geissele, or paying less for the slimmer (maybe junk) Rousch Sports handguard.

>>30138571
>>30138571
This fucking thread

>>30138927
ill have to steal that idea, i like it.

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>>30138935
I used to like you but now I see what everyone else was talking about

>>30138942
geissle for sure. i think i mentioned slr to you in another thread

>>30138950
>>30138855
>>30138835
>>30137813
This fucking faggot

>>30138963
You were fine until the shitty meme posting
If you stopped the shitty meme posting you'd be shocked by the results

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>>30139003
O SHIT

But seriously at least qb actually has non shit guns

>>30139003
>>30139049
Got heem

>>30139049
What kind of chicken do you have

>>30138964
I'll more than likely go with the Geissele, as much as I like saving money, I'd hate to cheap out on something and have to buy it again.

I think you did recommend the SLR to a post I made a while back, I just don't care too much for clamp on type handguards and the clamping protrusions they have on the bottom. I was looking at Midwest industries a while back and that ultimately put me off them.

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>>30139081
Orangish yellow and ones black

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>>30139111
do it. this ones a 9.5" mk4 and a 14.5" barrel

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anyone know if removing an A2 FSB is not a permanent thing?

in other words, can i remove it and then re-install it later with no real problems? or are taper pinned sights a "one-time-thing" deal and once you remove them they can't be put back on?

i'm assuming as long as i keep the clocking of the taper pins right and keep them in order it should be okay?

another question, is leaving the A2 FSB uninstalled bad for an m4 gov't profile barrel? i know there are 2 huge grooves drilled thru the bottom of the barrel to hold it in place and without the taper pins in the holes would this encourage the barrel to "lobster bend" in the direction of the cuts over time? pic related: lobster cuts in a piece of pipe used to help create a custom bend.

obviously i know the barrel is not going to bend to this extreme but the same concept is in play here, to a much lesser degree.

anyone who actually has info about this or experience or both lemme know.

>>30139112
And you choke the poor fuckers every night too

>>30138456
I bought a M&P sport 2 a while back, and one of the little things that always bugs the shit out of me is the fact that the bcg isn't smooth and always collects little fibers when I try to wipe oil off the exterior.

I bought a NiB bcg for my current build just for when I clean it, and I would do it again too, I can't comment on any other properties. Although cleaning it is much easier than a normal phosphated one.

>>30138713
>>30138742
adco will drill any upper to accept the NSR index pin for like 50 bucks

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This shit look okay?

>>30139141
yeah, you can install it back on as long as it's the same FSB you took off, you can't drill a new one

the cuts for the pins aren't an issue
they won't do anything to the integrity of the barrel.

>>30139141
You can remove it and reinstall it later. The issue people run into is if they try to install a different fsb then you need to drill the barrel and new sight to match which usually means going to a straight pin instead of a taper pin.

As long as you hold onto the original sight that was on the barrel you are fine even with new pins.

As for the unsupported area of the previously pinned recesses, I have no idea. Enough people have gone low profile and freefloated barrels that previously had fsbs on them though over the past few decades I wouldn't worry.

has anyone shot the imi 69 gr match rounds?

>>30139141
Yes, as long as you're putting the same A2 back on it's able to be put back on. At least on the 2 I've taken off, pin order doesn't matter.

I've shot extensively with the taper pin divots not filled on a barrel that had an A2 removed, have had no issues with it. But then again it's not a select-fire rifle and I don't just dump hundreds of rounds mindlessly, so the barrel never gets cherry red.

>>30138935

...oh wait it's just GC. I thought it was a new trip that popped up while I wasn't here.
I feel like it should have clicked sooner. What with the whole calicuck terminal poorfag shitposter with a fetish for side charging uppers and two pics of an unfinished 80% he keeps posting all the time.

>>30139141
>can i remove it and then re-install it later with no real problems?

Yes, unless you hacked it off of course.

>is leaving the A2 FSB uninstalled bad for an m4 gov't profile barrel?

Nope.

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>>30139146
No they can warp time space and have telekinetic powers

>>30139194
If it performs anything like their 77gr and 55gr, "match" is not nomenclature I'd use to describe it.

>>30139183
If you're getting the cantilever mount, I'd rather have something like a G2X or 6PX plus the ST07 (or XT07 or whichever one fits the G2X) endcap and just use a ring mount on the cantilever. Will give the same profile, functionality, and brightness of the Scout while being about $150 cheaper.

>>30139183
im pretty sure youll also need a pressure switch tail cap for the surefire
>http://www.surefire.com/ue.html

>>30139230
That's what the ST07 is.

>>30139230
its also cheaper here
>https://www.amazon.com/Remote-Tape-Switch-SureFire-WeaponLights/dp/B001V2XA94?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

>>30139240
this?
>http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/flashlights-accessories/flashlight-accessories/st07-remote-tail-switch-prod27619.aspx
is so, then no, the tail cap is sold separate, thats just for the pressure switch

>>30139222

hmmm i see. the stronger US dollar is making a lot of this foreign made ammo more appealing

>>30139141
Mechanical engineer reporting in- don't worry about it bending, if anything, there is LESS force acting to bend the barrel with the pins removed, since the pins themselves will be acting to pry open the hole when they are installed. in order for you to actually suffer permanent deformation of the barrel you'd need to repeatedly exceed ~70% of yield stress of AISI4140 which isn't even close to happening.

>>30139253
ah, well fuck. The tailcap assembly is also called somethingsomething-07. Thought he'd had "tailcap" in that pic.

>>30139193
>>30139200
>>30139212

thanks bros, i'm still on the fence about whether i'll remove the A2 FSB, i really like barrel mounted sights for reliability, consistency, ease of sighting in reasons. Rail mounted sights are the norm these days but they just don't seem like the best solution.

any insight on that? rail vs barrel front sights?

>>30139258
thank you, this is more along what i was looking for. I forgot that the taper pins are actually pushing out on the cuts. i don't think there's less force though, when you consider the barrel whips when fired, those taper pins support that area during the whipping... unless you know something i don't? spill ur brains 2 me engineer guy.

>>30139273
All of my ARs have optics on them and bracing my rifles on barricades is far less intensive than the rigors of combat or even patrol so I don't really worry about my optics going down much less my irons being shifted.

>>30139273
I've had both rail and barrel mounted sights.

Both work, and as long as you're not buying airshit-tier sights (or rails) you'll never have a problem.

I will say I generally prefer rail-mounted sights, since unless you're willing to drop almost a grand just on irons for one rifle to get the good clamp-on sight tower used for 600m/1000m prone shooting that goes at the very end of the barrel, you'll generally get more sight radius with a freefloat rail.

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Am I the only one that thinks these giant, older, night vision scopes look great? Are they actually worth the ~$1,500 they go for?

Also, what's the post limit now?

>>30139273
gotta keep in mind the EVERYTHING is flexible, even seemingly solid metal bits, and that simply bending a piece of metal (due to barrel whip, or a slight outward bulge during firing) will not damage it in any way provided that all strain remains in the elastic deformation range. a typical barrel will be designed so that you would never come close to hitting halfway to the point of plastic deformation (permanent damage) under normal conditions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deformation_(engineering)

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>>30139341

>>30139273
>i really like barrel mounted sights for reliability

If you plan on smashing the front sight against the wall for fun until one of the two gives in, or if you want a clone build, stay with the A2 FSP.
Otherwise move on to FF and rail mounted folding BUIS.

>consistency

You won't see any difference.

>ease of sighting in

Some front BUIS like the PROs are actually easier to zero than the A2 FSP, with no tools required, and the rest is usually the same as the A2.

>>30138862
Oh look he posted it again

>>30138864
>implying ergo grip is anything other than a piece of shit

>>30138889
That's what I like about it

>>30138870
It fit my hands perfectly

>>30139341
Same reason you can get computers for 50 bucks on ebay

>>30139365
Hey now. I had an Ergo Grip for years and loved it.

>>30139350
Since the PVS4 is Gen 2, I assume you're saying it is worth it?

>>30139377
Am I missing something or are you replying to the wrong post? Are you saying the $50 computers aren't worth shit and neither are Gen 2 scopes?

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>AK owner who's never owned an AR in his life
>on a whim bought a forged Aero receiver for 75 bucks

Oh god what the fuck have I gotten myself into?

>>30139329
thanks man

>>30139334
>you'll generally get more sight radius with a freefloat rail.
actually i have a carbine length system so i'm gaining a little sight radius keeping the A2. i don't care about the difference between the two though, but it's true that i'm actually losing radius when going to a rail mounted sight in my particular situation.

>>30139348
yeah but in the case of these lobster cuts, it is infinitely easier to bend it in one direction than the other. the bias being towards the cuts... so while taper pins are exerting a force on the barrel, they're pushing in the direction that is the most difficult to bend it. takes way more force to bend it backwards (away from the cuts) right? thanks for the link, i'll definitely read about that. elastic deformation range is definitely new stuff to me (terminologywise) and like you said everything has flex, as long as the flex doesn't supercede the EDR i'm okay. that's my concern though, with the cuts being there.... is the EDR much lower now. there's a lot less material and there's not one but TWO cuts there.

>>30139352
well what i meant about ease of sighting in, if your barrel isn't true you're going to have to do a lot of adjusting and it may be so bad that you have your windage almost maxed out, or your elevation...

another thing i've read, barrel mounted front sights help with barrel droop when they heat up? it just seems like a smarter system to put at least one of the sights on the barrel i think.

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>>30139392
If you like it cool, but to me it's a piece of shit. It truly is shaped like a turd.

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>>30139395
Same thing I got myself into yesterday?

>>30139394
I am saying that the first gen stuff is cheap because its out dated, it will work like a 50 dollar eBay laptop but it's obsolete

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>>30139417
>carbine length
>gaining sight radius
No, no nono. You can put a 15" handguard on a 14.5" barrel and gain nearly 9" of sight radius with a rail-mounted sight.

Pic related.

>>30139444
Ah, but I didn't ask about Gen 1. I asked about the AN PVS 4. Which is Gen 2.

>>30139423

I dunno, I've been wanting to get something in 5.56 with a 20 inch barrel length.

What's generally the next step after getting a stripped lower?

>>30139422
Not saying there isn't better now (though I will say the Battle Grip is a step down IMO), but the Ergo Grip is pretty good.

Yeah, totally looks like a turd though. Especially after mine accumulated about 4 layers of various brown and tan paints.

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>skd order shipped
pls usps dont fuck up

>>30139467
Where from?

And you probably won't get it by Friday

>>30139467
Bought my suppressor today. Now I'm looking to acogs or other fixed/variable powers. Shot 200 yards with red dot and although it got the job done it wasn't ideal.

>>30139467
They're gonna fuck up.
They wear brown because they're a shit-tier company.

>>30139458
A2's are pretty cool to play with, especially if you're one of those RIFLE IS FINE guys. Otherwise, SPR's are the tits.

Next step would be to get a LPK and finish out the lower.

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>>30139458
lower parts kit, buffer kit and stock
here's a pro tip
you can cheap the fuck out on everything except the BCG, barrel, and to some degree the handguard, and have a perfectly fine rifle.

>>30139395
When did you order it? How long did it take those fuckers to ship your order?

>>30139458
Don't listen to
>>30139500
Expensive=better

>>30139448
yes, i'm not sure if you're aware maybe i didn't state it clearly but i'm keeping the carbine length handguards, at most i'll go to 9 or 9.5 inches. i don't like long ass honking rails. plus putting a sight out there at the end of the rail like that gives it way more possibility of being off due to flex on the handguard being amplified at the end there.

so to clarify, within a carbine length handguard setup. the A2 FSB resides AHEAD of the handguard in both cases. whether you've got the plain old handguards+cap or a 7" rail. the FSB is ahead of the end of the handguards.

so you can deduce what that means for sight radius when you put a rail-mounted front sight on the 7" handguard.

it's not much and i literally don't care about the 2 inches or so of lost radius desu but it's still fact. rail of same length will have less radius than A2 FSB.

>>30139461
>IMO

Thanks for being honest. Yeah they definitely collect a lot of shit.

>>30139467
They will

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>>30139486
shipped from Missouri with a expected date of friday but i doubt itll get here by then

>>30139491
niice, what suppressor? acogs are fun

>>30139495
usps not ups

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>>30139500
>and to some degree the handguard
You can really cheap out on the handguard, and as long as you're careful you'll be fine. The MOE, MOE-SL, and a few other cheap drop-in handguards are decent and there's about a dozen sub-$100 freefloats that are solid.
>loving my Matrix Charlie

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>>30139529
i cant opr8 without my mag pouch

>>30139511

They had a whole lineup of them at the shop.

They were a few dollars more than the ones online, and I wouldn't have to bother with an FFL fee, so I bought one.

>>30139458
i agree with
>>30139516

ignore
>>30139500

DO NOT CHEAP OUT ON YOUR TRIGGER. it's far more important then this asshat is letting on. if anything focus on the trigger the most...

>>30139544
Do you (your parents) own a bunch of wooded lands or something? What state are you in?

>>30139545
Ah, alright. Thanks. If I don't see any change in the order status by Friday I'm just going to call them.

>>30139519
Yeah you didn't say shit about your handguard (or desire to stick with carbine-length), just said you had a carbine-gassed rifle.
>actually I have a carbine length system
>system

>>30139532
Specwar k 556. Just debating which optic to get now. Is that acog aiming concept legitimate or is it a fluke?

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>>30135637
CZ 805 = slimline SCAR

this is bad news :(

>>30139532
>USPS, not UPS
Whoops.

>>30136544
What is 41f and why do I care?

Did king nigger do it, or congress?

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>>30139562
>Do you (your parents) own a bunch of wooded lands or something?
no. glorious WA belongs to the public and i am free to go innawoods whenever i want. i do want some land though so i can make a cool range

>>30139569
neat. not sure what you mean by the "acog aiming concept"

>>30139568
that's fine, like i said i wasn't sure if i mentioned it or not.

i like to keep all the weight towards the center of a rifle, do you own any m4geries? they're so fucking handy and easy to move around. i'm not trying to add 400 feet of tube to my gun desu

>>30139552

What would generally be considered the gold standard for triggers to throw in an AR? I would like something at least as good as the ALG AKT in my Arsenal.

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>>30139593

pb do you still want my Larue hat

>>30139600
4free? eventually im going to buy an acog and light mount and in the comment box i will say gib hat

>>30139532
>Missouri to Washington
>by Friday
>usps

Nope. UPS maybe, but not snail.

>>30139593
>neat. not sure what you mean by the "acog aiming concept"

I think he means the concept of using the scope with both eyes open at all times.

What scope are you using?

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>>30139516
>Expensive=better
only in optics
i've been down that road many times

a $400 receiver set isn't going to do fuck all for accuracy or reliability compared to a blemished cheap set

>>30139552
not for a general purpose rifle
i have a lot of triggers, and most of the LPK crap is perfectly adequate
if you can't shoot well with a milspec trigger, you're pretty worthless

>>30139598
Giselle SSA
if you can afford to buy it, cool, whatever

>>30139458
Parts to go full gucci on = Trigger, Barrel, BCG. Everything else is just the cheapest you can get and still be quality enough to not break (6061 or 7075, forged).

>>30139593
>>30139593

I think he means the BAC.
It's a makeshift option and it won't really make up for having a RDS, which is why the ECOS is a thing (a thing you should get).

>>30139596
Used an actual M4 innaArmy. There's a reason I'm putting "400 feet" of tube on my personal rifles.

Some of it's personal preference, but honestly my 14.5" with 15" handguard and folding BUIS balances much better than my issued M4 with the KAC drop-in and a PEQ-2A. Now THAT was a front-heavy pig.

>>30139598
>gold standard for triggers to throw in an AR?
Geissele or bust. Some of the drop-in cassette-style units feel pretty good but they're nowhere near as durable and some of them require E-clips to retain the trigger and hammer pins.

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>>30139609
rip

>>30139612
TA01, i shoot with both open and one closed

>>30139621
TA31ecos is what i would have got if i didnt get a deal on a TA01

>>30139607

I'll send for cost of shipping

>>30139607
You're like my retarded little nephew that I want to beat with a large stick but also hug.

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>>30139643
nah thansk though

>>30139648
why?

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>>30139544
No you can't

>>30139612
With a TA01 it's harder to do, with the TA31 if you use both your eyes and focus your eye not looking through the optic it it can work as a sort of bastard abortion of a sight. Ive done this a few times in shoot houses and it works good enough. Not great, just good enough.

>>30135204
Guys I really under estimated the viciousness of the ar-15 cycle....

Started with 1 basic bitch. Decided to swap a few parts here and there. Now I have 2 and spare parts. Already planning on a 3rd and a 4th (I want a longer rifle style build that is modernized and one that is retro). Possibly a 5th (or at least a completed upper) depending on how my next upgrade to the first one goes.

Seriously guys wtf.... This is like an addiction now.

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>>30139671
it only gets better

>>30139589
>What is 41f and why do I care?
Adds passport photo, fingerprint, and background check requirements for all trustees if you have an NFA trust.

If you don't purchase a new NFA item 2 years after submitting that information, you will need to resubmit the next time you purchase.

>Did king nigger do it, or congress?
Neither, ATF did it all on their own since despite not being able to legislate they do get to regulate as they desire until legislation tells them otherwise.

>>30139671
Tell me about it.
>4 AR15's
>1 AR10
>1 AR pistol
>spare complete upper
>spare AR10 upper/lower receiver set
>enough parts to build another AR15 plus leftovers

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>>30139616
>>30139613

It's a little premature to ask this, but what are generally considered good mags?

I know everyone goes on about PMAGs, and I think I can get a pack of 10 Gen2 mags for 11 bucks apiece.

>>30139598
Geisselle G2S, SSA or SSA-E. Memorial day sales might still be going on at primary arms. Can get and SSA-E for $20 more than a G2S usually goes for.

>>30135643
you gey

>>30139702
gen 2s are great

i think the m3s are garbage

>>30139702
Pmags are fine but this is sort of an opinion on this. Lots of anons swear by old tin can style mags. Surplus Ammo sells a pack of 10 pmags for $99.

>>30139613
>most of the LPK crap is perfectly adequate

New GI triggers can be pretty fucking terrible sometimes.
Still, ten minutes with a felt wheel on a dremel and some polishing compound and you have a decent trigger out of anything.

So which acog should I get with the rds? Is the chevron easiest to shoot off of? Sorry for my limited handling of acogs :(

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>>30139719
sometimes you get lucky
the crap lpk trigger in my A4 has a bump in it, almost feels like a 2 stage

i tell you though, the absolute worst trigger i have ever had on a rifle was my stock scar trigger
not even polishing could fix that
but the gizzle super scar is probably the best trigger i have ever used :^

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>>30139748
ecos and chevron are best imo

>>30139702
http://www.surplusammo.com/magpul-pmag-m2-moe-30-round-5-56x45-ar15-m16-magazine-black-mag571-blk-in-package-10-pack/

>>30139702
Of the PMAGs I prefer Gen 2s since the Gen 3s had some teething issues early on that to me it seemed they shouldn't have had.

I just use them for ammo identification though, 300BLK in the PMAGs, 5.56 in aluminum mags.

>>30139759
Do they both have rds options? It'll be weird having all the head movement coming off my aimpoint to that

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>>30139784
are you talking about an rmr? if so yes

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get a hipertouch 24c

https://www.hiperfire.com/product/hipertouch24c/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAoEqCnXFas

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>>30139671
Welcome to hell.

I'll be your hellmate.

>>30139748
Chevrons are sweet. I have always been back and forth on Acogs overall though. They are sweet as fuck dont get me wrong but it is the utility that gets me. You can get a red dot with a flippable magnifier that allows you to easily switch between a close range optic and a mid range to long range optic. Acogs try to do the same by putting a small red dot on top but I never really like using it. Always felt like it was up too high and fucked up my firing position.

>>30139793
Those aren't very reliable

>>30139820
Why?

>>30139793
The 24c is pretty good, it lives on my recce. I still prefer the Timney in my spr though when it comes to single stage match triggers.

If you want high hammer speed for hard primers with a light pull though, the Hiperfire triggers are probably still the best around.

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>>30139671
try to slow down if you can. it gets out of hand really easily.
>mfw 14 ARs
which reminds me, i should unsubscribe from PSA's email flyer

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>>30139804
magnifiers are gross

r8 my pupper.png, thinking of re doing the ol dust cover

>>30139804
Weight though.

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>>30139826
Cause this

>>30139820
Neither are you.

>>30139833
7/8 can you do a doberman one?

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>>30139840
Dosen't even make sense

>>30139833
That would look awesome

>>30139833
Shit

>>30139837
Not an argument.

>>30138305
you obviously have never shot competativly lol thats not as easy at it looks senpai. those targets are silver dollar size.

>not him btw

>>30139854
You still haven't kys, so you aren't reliable

>>30139793
>https://www.hiperfire.com/product/hipertouch24c/
Only reason I didnt get it was price tag and the SSA-E was on sale for memorial day. This is easily top 5 of all triggers on the market.

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>>30139866
They do have more potential for failure than a standard trigger, but I haven't had any issues with mine.

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>>30139850
just a head?

>>30139855
>>30139857
or this

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>>30139867
Ok. Sure thing bud.

Here's a 5-shot, 100 yard group that's smaller than his 5-shot, 10 yard group.

>>30139714

My M3s work great.

>>30139756

I keep hearing these are terrible. Dick move at that price point.
Same with the DD trigger I got with the M4V11, it was horrid. A sticky, gritty piece of shit, there were like four stages in that thing you had to drag your finger between before it broke.
You'd think if someone advertises these rifles as the "MilSpec+" line, it would at least have something that feels closer to a $40 ALG QMS than a 50 year old surplus L1A1 (just kidding, the L1 trigger was actually better, by a long shot).

>>30139882
first one was better. second one is the comic sans of dog head designs

>>30139882
Head or full body. I have had 3 doberman and they are the love of my life. Head would be great.

>>30139882
Double shit