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"We have to rebuild our military"

Can someone elaborate on this? Isn't the US military the most powerful one around?
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>>29280681

He's just saying whatever the fuck he thinks will make people like him. Only thing he actually wants to do is cut taxes for himself.
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It's weak
A lot of doctrinal/political decisions have left it fully incapable of a ground war or amphibious invasion.

And theres rampant collusion/money wasting going on with certain defense contractors, need to get that fixed
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>>29280726
Nice meme, the US military is the greatest force of destruction ever to grace the face of the earth.
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>>29280681
Maintenance is a hell of a thing. The US Army missed out on an entire modernization cycle in the 70's because of funds being diverted from maintenance and procurement into Vietnam during the 60's and most of the 70's that had to be made up after the fact after '75.
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>>29280737
the US would lose a land war in china
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>>29280751

and China would lose a land war in the US, how is that relevant
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>>29280747

So the US forces doesn't have the capacity to even keep its vehicles going over a longer period of time?
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Make America Great Again
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>>29280681
>Seriously go away Soros.

The US Military is still the biggest kid on the block BUUUUUUUT you dont stay the biggest kid on the block eating white bread and water. Every once in awhile you need a good meal, full of meat and fat and calories to help you stay big and strong.

Trump just wants to make sure we are eating well.
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>>29280726

But does those issues make the US military weak?
How many other military powers possess the means for a full on ground and/or amphibious invasion??
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>>29280751
>+.05 yuan deposited to your account
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>>29280773
Hate Trump, love that gif.
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>>29280793
If the military cannot do what the president orders them to do, due to decades of bad procurement & bad doctrinal decisions, then that is weakness.
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Recently I watched some mini-docu about US Navy. The captain of battleship was interviewed.
All he was saying was:
- our great diverse crew, wombyns, multicultural and sheeit...
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idk how anyone could say our military is already strong when they have a VA that fails them

part of rebuilding our military means rebuilding the VA.
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>>29280705
I believe he may be implying the return of a modern Glider program.
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>>29280822

What cant the US military do that the president wants them to do as of today?
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>>29280768
Only if we put the Chinese Americans in internment camps just to be safe.
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>>29280681
weve reduced the amount of money we mindlessly pour into our military but its k bc we still have the mightiest military to ever exist. No other country can even think about threatening us. This comment is just absolutely fucking retarded and helps set back republicans 8 years just like everythingelse trump says. Reminder supporting trump is the truest and most unforgivable degeneracy.
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>>29281769
Who are you voting for then, smart guy?
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decisions at the Pentagon during the Bush and Obama years has turned the army into a light expeditionary force. removing the heavy mechanized divisions for light units and Strykers.

also until recently. all the training was COIN focused. thankfully someone at the top in the army decided we need to start training to fight other armies.


Army is is still full of broke dicks, fatties, pregnancy malingerers, etc.
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>>29280850
>watched documentary on US Navy
>captain of battleship was interviewed
>captain of battleship
>battleship
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>>29281794

Probably a Bernie Sanders commie fuck.
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>>29281802
>until recently. all the training was COIN focused. thankfully someone at the top in the army decided we need to start training to fight other armies
US forces in Gookland have been back on a real-war footing since at least 2008, FWIW
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>>29280917
Wouldn't work.

Our allies are freedom chinks and a host of other asians.

Also most chinese here aren't commies BECAUSE they don't want to get camped like the Japs and also because China can't do shit about them from across the pacific.

If the Chicoms tried anything, we'd just send millions of them back to China to form some really successful Sino-American puppet democracy guarded by American and local troops and watch the chinamen tear themselves apart once they realize how shitty the commie party really is.
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>>29282487
Voting Gary Johnson you nigger.
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>>29282525

>guy with face tattoo
>looks like a college-aged stoner
>what I assume is his gf has shitty hair in a shitty, messy bun and those godawful pseudo-hipster glasses

>typical trump degenerates

They look more like liberals, if anything. Anyways, the Libertarian party never wins, so it's pointless to vote for them.
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>>29282525
>throwing away your vote
i guess i can't talk too much, i voted for gary johnson in 2012 with hopes that every little vote the libertarians got, it might increase their viability and standing

after seeing how much they suck at staying unified as a party and an ideology, perhaps worse than the major parties, i realized it truly was a wasted vote.

trump 2016 mofucker, we'll vote for liberty candidates after we remove the illegals and shrink the ever-expanding democrat vote grab. we don't build that wall, and you might as well say goodbye to ever having a liberty candidate again
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>>29282506
US forces in Gookland were gutted and most rebased in the states. They allow dependents now too.

Korea isn't the 1 to 2 years of hard drinking, hard training, like it was before 9/11.

Soldiers these days will never know what is like to be standing in a PT formation on a monday in Korea. Where everyone stinks of the alcohol they are still sweating and breathing out. Company PT motto is "sober by noon!"

No one gave a shit if you were drunk or hung over at work. So long as you were not drinking while on duty, and work still got done.
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Government defense contractors need to be reigned in. Too many insider deals, ex generals become consultants for 3rd party sub contractors to avoid anti corruption regulations. Rich investors hiring Indians and vets to be the "Owner" of contracting companies to get preferred bidding status.

Bring them back as fed jobs.
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>>29282817
Blame Clinton.

Before him all the work was done by federal employees or service members.

Clinton "reformed" things by slashing military federal civilian employees and getting rid of a lot of military positions.
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>>29280681
Lol it would take 2 weeks for France to take on the US military
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>>29280737

Ill remember that next time my unit spends 6k on a white privilege expert for our next SARC briefing
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>>29280681
We have been closing down bases and cutting training programs ever since the 90's
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>>29282838
>be elected by college liberals and lower class schlubs
>be hated by the GOP as a godless, communist liberal
>spend almost all of your time in office privatizing government functions and removing regulations

Carter did this too.
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>>29280705

> Increasingly nervous George Soros detected
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>>29280681

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DS2wXSKF5k
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>>29282874
It's a waste of time, but does it make you less combat ready than doing banal shit to take up your time/peeling potatoes?
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>>29282580
I'm assuming you've never actually been to or seen a trump rally. It's the largest gathering of methheads, degenerates, and weirdos you'll ever see.
https://youtu.be/Mx7mYuZHAjY?t=1m40s

>>29282690
> muh wasted vote
If the republican party wants my vote, they can't be running authoritarian retards.

And I couldn't give a two fuck about illegals or walls. Seriously, if the only job you can do is landscaping or construction just pick up a fucking science book or learn a real trade faggot. I swear Trumptards are just like Hernie niggers thinking the world OWES your talentless-ass a good paying job.
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>>29280681
one example : opportunities are so shit in the USAF it currently lacks 200 fighter pilots.
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>>29280681
>tfw americans get cucked by their deputies and get kasich instead
>tfw americucks are living in a pseudo democracy and get cucked by the establishment
I had hope with drumpf...
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>>29282890
We're not good. Despite everything you may no, we're not good. Irrelevant comparison to China. But don't worry, because if I'm president we're gonna do the thing, and it's gonna be great. Donald Trump 2016.
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>>29282888

There is a long standing tradition of fucking over the US military but contractors. I see it everyday as a former contractor gone fed.
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>>29280681
Obama installed his faggy new leaders that are making our military weak as fuck.
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>>29282903

It does when that 6k could buy us better equipment and that time being spent on how all men are rapists and whites are the devil could be spent on the range or in MOUT village.
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>>29282904
rofl, the world doesn't owe the illegals shit either. that's why we're kicking them out, dumbshit.

>hurr everyone can be a scientist
>construction isn't a real trade
>the only downside to illegal immigration is jobs
dumb fucking mexican spotted
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>>29280681
Daily reminder that Trump is a Draft Dodger.
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>>29280865
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>4chan unironically supports Donald Trump
>believes his rhetoric when he tells them what they want to hear
>unsure of what he means so they fill in the blanks on their own
>love Donald Trump even more because they project their desires on his empty speech


Go fuck yourselves. All of you.
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>>29283117

Go away bernie cuck.
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>>29283117
Psssst. You have to go back.
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>>29283127
>implying I like grandpa socialist
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>>29283075

Hes also white and makes your wife's son upset.
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>>29283129
Have fun handing Hillary a victory. That's exactly what every Trump supporter is doing.

America will never elect Donald Trump.
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>>29280705
>not realizing he's putting his brand on the line and already sunk 25+million into campaign
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>>29283117

>I get all my opinions from the media
lol
People like you are rapidly becoming obsolete, can't understand why, and are getting pissed.
It's actually really funny.
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>>29283146
If you say so.

Btw. I just sent in $200. Match my donation? We can still win this.
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>>29283148
>he's putting his brand on the line

Yeah, because caring about his brand ever stopped him from putting his name on all of his failed ventures over the decades...
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>>29283075

>draft dodger
>draft number was never called
???
Which media shill did you get that from?
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>>29283007
No one said a damn thing about giving illegals anything you fucking retard.

Illegals supply dirt cheap labor, and this is good because unskilled laborers SHOULD be paid dirt cheap wages. Short of removing the minimum wage, it's a good economic decision to use them, and just institute consumption/sales taxes to recoup money for public services they use.

> hurr not everyone can be a scientist
Yes, you can faggot. Just sit down and read a fucking book. It's not difficult at all. Almost everyone I met in engineering is only doing it for the money, no one actually gives a fuck about it.

> hurr construction is a real trade
It isn't. Anyone can dig a ditch or hammer a nail. If an illiterate spic can do your job, it's not a real trade.

> hurr illegals are ruining muh neighborhood
Then move to a better neighborhood.
Oh wait you can't because you probably spend all your savings on trucks and guns.
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>>29280681
Well the Navy is trying to go for "optimal manning" which is Pentagon speak for "minimal manning." They want all their ships to be like LCS eventually with its comparatively small crew.
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>>29283153
>i get all of my opinions from 4chan

kys
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>>29283158

I just donated 200 brother! It was from my student loans, but fuck it, Bernie will cancel my debt anyways.
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>>29283158
You sad stupid mother fucker
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>>29283158
I can't do $200 but I can throw in $50 for Bernie
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>>29283164

Was going to reply seriously until I saw this.
>Yes, you can faggot.
Mexico has an average IQ of like 87.
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>>29283187
What's the collective IQ of rural America?
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>>29283160

Yeah, all 4 of them out of over 100 ventures. Get out Soros lapdog.
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>>29283178
>>29283158
Interesting samefagging
>>29283164
>Then move to a better neighborhood.
What the fuck?
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>>29283160
>on all of his failed ventures over the decades...
You mean four of them compared to how many that did amazing?
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>>29283170

You can't imagine a reality in which you have to form your own opinions, can you?

I didn't even like trump at first, but the more I looked into him, the better he seemed.
And that was by finding actual facts, btw. Not biased media slurs, which are all you can bother to look at.
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>>29283164

> just move faggot! Use your daddy's credit card like I did!

> anyone can be a scientist! Just stack INT like in fallout 4!
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Hopefully it includes sending all of our broken ass Humvee and Humvee series vehicles to the fucking mortar range and we spend a few days receiving and dispatching MATVs, JLTVs and new vehicles.

I hope a fucking nuke strikes the Humvee factory. FUCK OFF. STOP MAKING THOSE.
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>>29283194

About 100, depending on the concentration of minorities.
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>>29283212
I'm not a fan either. But he certainly does seem to be pissing off all the right people -- including the Quisling faggots running the Republican Party. And the alternative has already declared me a terrorist on live TV, and gotten applauded for it. This is not a contest.
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>>29283222

Oh god yes! There is a factory a few miles from my base that still makes the unarmored canvas tops.
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>>29283222
Humvees are fine for back end use and will continue to be used as such.

The up armored humvee is completely dead, being directly replaced by the JLTV.

This has been Army agenda for a while now and has absolutely nothing to do with Meme Man Donald Trump.
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>There won't be a wall
>Mexico will never pay for a wall
>Trump is just more corporate elite
>He doesn't really give a shit about you
>He doesn't really care about anyone but him
>He doesn't care about the economy if it doesn't benefit him
>He's not going to deport anyone
>He's not going to stop ISIS
>He's not going bring manufacturing back
>He's not going to do anything about China's currency manipulation or dumping
>He's not going to make America great again

Enjoy your disappointment on the extremely low chance he beats Hillary.

When Hillary wins, you're all to blame.
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>>29280681
Shit wears out when you use it hard.
Replace with new and better.
Ask Joe what he needs, don't force some congressional pork project on them.

Institutional rot takes more effort.
Change the command climate to one which encourages NCOs to take care of business on the lowest level, instead of becoming EO rangers.
Push Green to Gold harder.
Promote officers who can lead, not those with shiny OERs.

Oh, and while we're at it, I want a million dollars in small, unmarked bills, a non-descript, fully fueled getaway moped, and the letter M stricken from the English language.
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>>29283235

This.
I didn't even start out liking Trump at all, and I still kind of don't like him.
And I don't agree with Trump on everything, but voting for him seems to be the best strategic move.
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>>29283241

Anything humvees are doing for REMFs can be replaced with civilian trucks. Just because some pogs want to play warrior when they are deployed to UAE or Saudi Arabia, doesn't justify keeping a pos with proprietary hardware like the jumper cables, faggot.
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>>29283187
They do have a low IQ, but YOU don't.
That's my whole point.
If spics are taking your jobs, you are literally retarded and helpless.

Failing basic reading comprehension isn't helping your case.

>>29283196
Unless you live in public housing you'll hardly ever see any mexicans or blacks. I live in a majority-minority city and I still rarely see them.

>>29283218
Nice try, but my dad died when I was 16 cocksucker, and I didn't get a small 1 million dollar loan either. Engineering jobs don't require any special intelligence, literally anyone can do it.
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>>29283258
Thankfully, it's looking more and more like a contested convention, in which case Cruz will easily win because the RNC themselves would overwhelmingly prefer Cruz.
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>>29283148
>implying any idea he has ever come up with has made money to begin with

he'll make the 25 mil back in a month on daddys businesses
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>>29283259
Fucking this. EO and SHARP bullshit is out of control. It's so insane that I shit you not, SHARP briefings count as continuing education hours for my EMT cert.
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>ITT - Germany circa 1932
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>>29283286
Cruz is almost worse than Trump
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>>29283271
>but voting for him seems to be the best strategic move.
Good thing you're not a general, is all I'm saying.
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>>29283285

>If spics are taking your jobs, you are literally retarded and helpless.

If spics take the jobs of other Americans, that increases unemployment.
Which also increases the amount of people using government benefits.
Not only due to the increased unemployment, but due to the fact that Mexican immigrants use welfare at far higher rates than natives.

These are just some of the reasons that it is NOT a good economic idea to use them.
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>>29283285

> nice try faggot I solely inherited daddies money!

> anyone can become a billionare with 1 million! They just like go buy more money!
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>>29283308
Unlike Trump, he's a Harvard Law School graduate with real political experience.

He may have similar policies but he's vastly more competent and much less of a joke.
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>>29283286

Nope. GOPe hates Cruz. They will pick Kasich or Romney and throw the election away!
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>>29283303
>Le president/presidential candidate is Hitler maymay

You wanna know how I know you're 12? Because that's been the line in every single election for the last 20 years.

Bush was Hitler, Obama was Hitler, Romney was Hitler, McCain was Hitler.

Everyone who has ever run for president is fucking Hitler, and the only reason to fall into that hype is because you're not old enough to remember any other elections that were exactly the same way.
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>>29283341
sup r/the_donald
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>>29283241
Shut the fuck up right fucking now. Don't you ever speak to me or my wife's son ever again.
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>>29283312

Yeah all the good Generals think like you, you narsistsitic faggot.
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>>29282487
This guy was right. I do want Bernie Sanders to be president. I realize guns are cool and everyone should own a gun, but I also think the government shouldn't interfere with a woman's right to choice and faggots are entitled to equal treatment. And citizens united should be overturned. And more federal programs targeted at relieving the impoverished would be good. And more progressive taxes are demonstrably better for the economy and saying otherwise is fucking stupid.
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>>29283308
>Cruz is worse than Trump
>FIFY
Cruz is a fucking false prophet, man.
Not only is he trying to destroy my country, he is also destroying my religion.
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>>29283355

Sup r/politics
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>>29283312

>huehuehue ppl that support trump are all idiots!

Protip: if you have to dismiss massive groups of people as idiots in order to avoid giving their opinions any merit, you're probably the idiot.

Take a lot of atheists for example.
They simply look at religious people and go "huehue ur dumb, and that means I'm smart!!", and don't even listen to their point of view.

I am an Atheist.
But I don't go around dismissing religious people as retards.
I've probably listened to more pro-religion rhetoric than anti-religion rhetoric.

And if you can't do the same, then YOU are the retard, not them.

>me trying to give people life lessons on 4chan
Not sure why I bother, you'll probably just reply with another shitpost.
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>>29283375
Are you me, comrade?
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>>29283294
Oh, SHARP has its uses. Gives the lying cunts career progression maps to weasel their way into a desk job at BN.

Glad you're at least getting something positive from this, though. Done combat lightsaber yet?
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>>29283375

Make sure those programs aren't open to whites. Those faggots like to pretend to be poor and without privilege all the time
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>>29282580
>They look more like liberals
I suppose you missed the nametag the guy was wearing that says "Clark County Republican Party"?
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>>29282690
>we'll vote for liberty candidates after we remove the illegals and shrink the ever-expanding democrat vote grab.
Those who trade freedom for security deserve neither, you statist cuck.
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>>29283324
Illegals taking up federal benefits is a problem inherit to the welfare state. If it's not them, it'll just be lazy blacks, or old people, or whatever. Fighting the people taking the benefits instead of the out of control benefits themselves is like trying to push a water up waterfall.

>>29283327
I inherited exactly zero dollars, and in fact ended up having to pay his funeral expenses with student loans.

And, yes, access to large sums of capital makes it ridiculously easy to make money.

Have any of you faggots ever taken an economics class?
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>>29283410
Thank you, Stormfront.
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>>29283375
THIS
The future of this nation is more important than gun rights.
If I would have to give them up to secure a better future, then I would in a second. If you wouldn't, then you are whats wrong with the nation.
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>>29283439

>Illegals taking up federal benefits is a problem inherit to the welfare state. If it's not them, it'll just be lazy blacks, or old people, or whatever. Fighting the people taking the benefits instead of the out of control benefits themselves is like trying to push a water up waterfall.

And how exactly do you think you'll eliminate the welfare state when you do nothing but import millions of people who consistently vote for a bigger and bigger welfare state?
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>>29283450
>>29283375
Holy Hell.
Is it true?
Is /k/ secretly leftist?
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>>29283471
/k/ - Weapons
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>>29282863
Nice b8 m8
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>>29283443

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-ghetto_us_56dce712e4b03a405679062b
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>>29281794
Libertarian.
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>>29283443

> everyone who doesn't think what I want them to think is a KKK nazi
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>>29283482
Guns are great.
I love them.
But I love my country more. Greater good, anon.
I'd rather Bernie and no more outrageous student debt than have guns in a Somali-like shithole.
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>>29283450

Go to Europe if you want to live there so bad, cuck. Enjoy being raped by a dirty arab during his next sexual emergency.

>>29283482

No, it liberals from reddit butthurt that bernie lost every state last night.
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>>29283498
So... He was quoting some BLM chick?
Rather inoffensive.
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>>29283517
>no more outrageous student debt

And just where do you think that debt will go? You'll still be paying for it in taxes.
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>>29283517

> Guns are great.
I love them.
But I love my country more. Greater good, anon.
I'd rather Bernie and no more outrageous student debt than have guns in a Somali-like shithole.

Okay, when will you buy your one way ticket to the EU?
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>>29283516
>Let me just make a strawman argument and post an image macro, thatll teach him
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>>29283536
>Go to Europe if you want to live there so bad
I want to live in America, but I want it to be a fair America.
If you wouldn't give up your guns along with me, you are part of the problem.
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>>29283471
> illegals are rigging the elections
kek
even if this were true, you just start enforcing voter id laws.
the supreme court upheld that this is fine and dandy.
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>>29283542

Uhh... no.
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>>29283516
On 4chan? Yes actually. This whole place is a cesspit afterall.
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>>29283553

Don't like guns? Leave, cuck. Willing to trade guns for a free arts degree? Then get out or eat a bullet.
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>>29283498
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>all of these sanders cunts

Holy shit, I'm glad I haven't been on this board for a while. This whole place has gone even further into shit. I didn't realize I was on Tumblr or Reddit
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>>29283563

>most illegals voting the same way on an issue = rigging the elections
Can you please make a single post without making such obvious and childish falsehoods?

>just do voter ID laws!
That only stops generation 1 from voting.
And often times not even generation 1.
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>>29283516
He was referring to Stormfront's infiltration of /pol/, you autist.
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>>29283548
>EU?
I don't love the EU. I love the US.

>>29283546
Everyone will pay a fair amount of it. It will be spread to all citizens. Again. Greater good.

>>29283584
I said I love guns, but if you wouldn't be willing to give them up for a better world, then you are living in the past.
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>>29280751
One of the classic blunders.
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>>29283616
>Everyone will pay a fair amount of it. It will be spread to all citizens. Again. Greater good.

I don't want to pay for your ceramics degree you piece of shit.
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>>29283553

Bernie shill please. Next time tell bernie to attack Hillary on her criminal record and not spend his donation money on finding illegals to plea for voter rights on CNN and attacking Trump as if he had a chance face him in the general election.
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>>29283599

Total lie you just posted there, friend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6IlGoeDIUQ
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>>29283553

No you see, when you come to OUR house you play by OUR rules.

We don't come to your country and bitch about how we wish your laws weren't so oppressive. We just don't live there because of it.

Let's say you came here, and we did get rid of guns, yay now you have the America you love but with no scary guns.

One problem, in a few decades of using the same logic that got guns banned, America will be indistinguishable from your home country and you moving over here will have been pointless.
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>>29283605
le nugget le epic communism maymay did this
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>>29283633
You already pay for all kinds of things for the greater good.
This will help keep the US education level competitive with the rest of the world. Don't you see how that helps us all?
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>>29283633
You already pay for black people's food stamps, dude.
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>>29283513
You're gonna get President Clinton, and you'll deserve it.
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>>29283643
Im an american born and raised.
I just want a fair america. Why is that bad?
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>>29283616

I'm not from /k/ and am a shill: the post.

Realty check. You hate America. You want to destroy it and replace it with a neo socialist fantasy so you can evade paying for a degree. If I could legally I would shoot you myself, traitor.
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>>29283516

Acting like the US didn't sponsor terrorism...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_state-sponsored_terrorism#The_Contras
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>>29283168
And this is bad how exactly?
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>>29283605
>If you dislike Trump you're from Tumblr or Reddit
Wanna know how I know what your home board is
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>>29280681
Idk maybe he means kicking out the gays and women

It's politics man its all bullshit and lies
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>>29283517
This, man. Plus, Bernie won't even touch our guns. He certainly hasn't here in VT.
He is the most based candidate we have had for president in a long, long time.
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>>29283681
No Im from /k/. I'm hasguns and all.
I just am willing to look at the bigger picture.
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>>29283697
Yeah because a federal senator has power over a state. You're the typical uninformed voter. Please, kill yourself. He's not a state senator. You don't know shit and that's exactly what's wrong with this country.
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>>29283665
How do liberal arts and shitty social science degrees that aren't law or economics degrees helping our education be competitive?

The problem with education in our country isn't college. It starts all the way back in kindergarten. You're just an entitled prick who wants to justify your desire for something you percieve as free by claiming it's for the greater good.

How the fuck is your art history, ceramics degree, women's studies, or philosophy degree contributing to the greater good in a way that's worth paying your $50,000 tuition? Fuck off.

You want to go to school, you pay for it. Dude I'm working full time and going to school because I want to be there. I'm making sacrifices now and working my ass off for it to pay off in the long run. I'm not asking other people to do it for me.
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>>29283370
>complains about someone else being narcissistic
>while saying he wants to vote for someone who's narcissistic
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>>29283714
this fucking straw man
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>>29283679

Where are your guns? Mr I'm from /k/ and not raiding.
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>>29283697
>He is the most based candidate we have had for president in a long, long time.

kys
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>>29283706

sure bernie cuck.

> fuck my rights just give me some free shit guys!

Scum
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>>29283410
Post the same meme but of Jewish people in German Ghettoes in WW2.
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>>29283722
bernie cuck, pls
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>>29283715
>implying all politicians aren't narcissistic
>but muh free college
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>>29283450
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>>29283714
>I'm making sacrifices now
The fact that you are ok with this is the problem.
You shouldnt have to do that.
There are enough overly rich people in the US that you shouldnt have to.
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>>29283610

> That only stops generation 1 from voting.
What makes you think they'll stay and breed without a welfare state to leech off of? That's literally the only reason they come here and not the other richer Latin American countries.

> And often times not even generation 1.
Because voter id laws were seen as iffy, but now the Supreme Court upheld it.
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>>29280681
MAGA
A
G
A

Also I think it would be nice if we had our pride rebuilt. Its fucking disgraceful when every title with the word man is being taken out.
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>>29283730
If I take pics, I want you to tell me how much you love bernie sanders.
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>>29283750
The fact that you don't believe you should have to make sacrifices in life sure is telling...
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>>29283616
>but if you wouldn't be willing to give them up for a better world, then you are living in the past.

>wanting me to give up my god given right to bear arms for a country that won't even recognize my god given right to own guns

You're fucking kidding me dude, also if you expect people in this country to be okay with paying higher taxes for anything you'll be in for a surprise, this country fucking HATES taxes

The only way the healthcare and high education systems will get fixed in this country is with government regulation making sure these institutions aren't gouging the customers, but I don't see that happening either because fuck big government

I also don't see giving up guns for the greater good, this country was founded on freedom, losing freedom isn't great or good

>>29283697
He wants to ban assault rifles ya dunce
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>>29283747
It is a complete strawman and calling me a cuck does not change that
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>>29283750
>There are enough overly rich people in the US that you shouldnt have to.

They aren't responsible for taking care of you you piece of shit.
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>>29283776
They should be shared sacrifices.
Everyone should pay a fair share for the advancement of the nation.

>>29283779
You lose the freedom to own guns but you gain in freedom to not be burdened in this oppressive cycle of student debt.
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>>29283750
Millenial scum pls go
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>>29283790
They owe society. They wouldnt be rich if it werent for the workers in this system. They owe them.
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>>29283792
Why are you even on /k/?
>>>/lgbt/
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>>29283792
College is a choice you idiot. There are plenty of good jobs that don't require a degree. It shouldn't be everyone else's problem you fell into your guidance counselor's spiel about college.
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>>29283814
What an argument
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>>29283805
Why don't you go join the military if you want free college?
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>>29283750

> you're such an asshole for making me want to pay my student loans! I don't even like even!

>>29283773

> so despite for a Bernie vote, willing to buy a rifle at the LGS and post it here

Whats the matter? To many "fuck you" replies at the phone bank? Post your airshit or daddy's rifles, boy. Bernie can't even beat Hillary, You think he had a chance against Trump?
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>>29283713
>>29283779
As a Vermonter, I think you seriously underestimate the power Bernie has here. Literally everyone in the state legislature is a Sanderite. What he wants, he gets.

>>29283790
>They aren't responsible for taking care of you you piece of shit.
But we are responsible for paying for their tax breaks?
Why is welfare for the rich good, but welfare for the poor evil?
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>>29283825
Why bother arguing with someone who comes to a weapons board preaching about how we should give up our guns for a socialist president so you can have "free" shit?
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>>29283843
>you
when did I say that
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Hey, why don't liberals understand that you don't have to live in the US if you want free shit? Go to Germany or some other Muslim filled Hellhole and get all your free shit there. Leave us in peace. We don't want your commie bullshit.
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>>29282367
You... You do realize that battleships do have a skipper, right?
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>>29283835
>so despite for a Bernie vote, willing to buy a rifle at the LGS and post it here

Its "Desperate", and I have more than one firearm.
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>>29280681
guy i met who is in the army said that he hasn't trained with live rounds since 2009, he said all the 'training' you do is how to respect peoples gender and sexual identity and how to respect women
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Please guys, give up the guns and they promise to give us free college and shower us with as many Muslim immigrants we could ever need! Think of all the interesting food they can sell out of carts if you just let go of the second amendment!
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>>29283792
>but you gain in freedom to not be burdened in this oppressive cycle of student debt.

I already have that freedom because I chose not to go to college, you dumb commie, I tried not to resort to name calling but you're too fucking dense to realize giving up a RIGHT that EVERY citizen gets for SOME people to go to college for free

College is an investment, you chose to take those student loans to get a higher education, its just most people ending up getting a degree that doesn't return the amount of money you put it and cry that they have student loans they cant pay because instead of getting a good degree and gaining job experience by doing internships, they chose to pursue art and smoke dicks all day
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>>29283835
Let's see your guns now ;^)
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>>29283848
I'm just trying to realize the American Promise.
You can go to Russia or China with your fascist shit.
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>>29283873
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>>29283904

Oh fuck its a jihadist. Reported. Get fucked Allah faggot.
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>>29283912
Russia and China have "free" college and coercive policies just like your Jewish Messiah
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>>29283395
>>29283450
What the actual fuck. The only other two liberal on /k/ showed the fuck up. This is fucking cool.
>>29283410
You right nigga, that was probably the most stupid thing he's said in 40 years and it was mainly because he wanted the blacks in the south to switch allegiance. He said something without really thinking imo. And also his problem isn't with blacks its with the entire south being fucking retarded. And I'm not like a new england fuckboi saying this shit I've lived in SC for 15 years and its just undeniable that most of us are fucking stupid. Like really fucking dumb.
>>29283443
Stop mindlessly defending Bernie. He said some stupid shit and its better to just own it. Also no one with a brain gives a fuck about reddit or /pol/
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>>29283792
>Everyone should pay a fair share for the advancement of the nation.

>communist faghole Bernie Shitberg
>advancement

Pick fucking one. Advance us faster to third world status I guess. Can we raise the voting age to 30 to stop these retarded college fucks from voting like jackasses every four years?
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>>29283892
And you give people the FREEDOM to choose to go to college even if they cant afford it.

This makes the US a better place for all. I would give up my guns for that. and you should too.

>>29283944
Higher education is dragging the nation down? Thats a new one.
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>>29283341
>implying someone sane and moderate like Kasich wouldn't be the best choice to beat Shillary or Bernie
Why people think that the key to a GOP victory requires someone bat shit insane and "eXtreme!", I'll never understand.
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>>29280681
this guy is just riding on the US image
im fucken bats
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>>29283553
Or we could have both cause they arent mutually exclusive issues.
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>>29283950
>Higher education is dragging the nation down?

Free higher education actually does. It becomes the equivalent of high school as it's no longer the cream of the crop, it's just the same old crop, with the dumbfucks dragging everyone down to their level.
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>>29283963
No, but with the candidates we have now it is.
Bernie would make the nation a lot better and a lot more fair.
But he would probably pass gun control legislations.

>>29283972
/k/ thinks college grads are morons.
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>>29283951

Kasish can't even beat Trump, but I'm sure he can beat Hillary while getting his anus prolapsed during the general debates.
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>>29283981

No I'm sure a liberal arts degree enhances your brain power.
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>>29280681
he is a liberal
get out of here /pol/
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>>29283697
VT here.
I'm guessing that you're from Burlington or Brattleboro or some other similarly NY infested shithole. You do realize that he doesn't create state laws, right? That's the job of the state government.
If you're old enough to vote, please educate yourself on the American system of government before voting.
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>>29283984

You think diploma mills churn out geniuses
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>>29283992
It doesnt have to be a liberal arts degree. It can be anything
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>>29283992
Forgot those are the only degrees you could get
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>that feeling of depression when your "peers" the dude weed lmao XD have the same voting power as you
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>>29280681
He's right

We need to dramatically increase the size and strength of our navy to deal with the chinks

NATO needs to be stepped up to let the russians know we mean business

fags and women need to be purged
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>>29283450
>The future of this nation is more important than gun rights.
If you abrogate the 2nd Amendment, the Bill of Rights ceases to be. Which unmakes the country at its source. Which is the idea, you fucking child.
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>>29283950
Fuck it dude, there's no reasoning with you, Bernie isn't going to be in the primary anyway, and even if he did good luck getting your free college pass congress

In fact, good luck any candidate getting anything through congress these 4 years
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>>29284009

How about you can't get a free bullshit like Womens history or African heritage? Or you can get a free degree with military service? Sound fair?
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>>29284012
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>>29283950
>I would give up my guns for that. and you should too.

Fuck off
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>>29284018
He doesn't seem to understand and keeps spouting
>muh greater good
like he's batman or some shit
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>>29284018
Is that what happened in your home state of Cali, Phil?

Why do you willingly submit to having your rights violated while proclaiming that others should never submit to having their rights violated?
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>>29283842
Then why didn't we get an AWB?
You are old enough to remember three years back, when he went fucknuts in the senate in support of it, then when shumlin said that we didn't need gun control here, despite apparently obeying sander's every word, right?
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>>29283981
what I actually said was two things. 1.) college students vote like fucking retards, because they're naive tools and none of them actually have a job or pay taxes. And 2.) free college for everyone actually DOES devalue it. Remember when a high school education was the equivalent of a college education today? Then they gave everyone 'free high school!' and a high school education is now basically about as good as a primary school education used to be.

Why are liberal turds incapable of learning from history?
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>>29280900
a ground war or an amphibious invasion
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>>29284063
This is a new world.
European nations seem to be doing fine with their higher education system.
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>>29284070
no they're not you dumbass, that's why they come here for college if they can. Their 'free college' is shitty.
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>>29284070

This nigger here doesn't know whats happening in Europe
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>>29282922
>That blatant Clinton/Trump mancrush
You just know they've spitroasted some hot 20 something while Hillary was doing less important things.
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>>29284070
>European nations seem to be doing fine
jej

How old are you?
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>>29283117
The butthurt when he said he supported H1B visas was amazing.

Apparently, many a /pol/tard thought that Trump saying 'make america great again' was meaning 'make America white again' when he has was saying from the beginning that he supported legal immigration.
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>>29280705
>Sanders got hammered.
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>Bernie cuck comes to a pro-gun board and can't understand why he doesn't get any support when he tells other people that he'd give up his right to own guns for free shit and that they should too
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>>29284139
What did his post have to do with sanders
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>>29283117
Who cares. He pisses off the liberal shitbags, and they're my enemy. I don't give a fuck if he ruins the country as long as they're unhappy.
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Just to show Im hasgunz.

Fuck off. Id give them all up to free this nation from the Republicans and their fascist policies.
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>>29284192
He's not going to win.
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>>29284196
Why do you expect a board of pro-gun people to agree with you and then get pissy when they don't? Go fist your asshole, douche bag.
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>>29284196

Don't let daddy catch you with his guns, bro.

> I want to give up my rights for gibsmedats and you should too!

Dude like find out where your dad keeps his ammo and kill yourself.
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i'm still waiting for that bill to ccw on base dammit
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>>29284196
Get used to disappointment.
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>>29284196
No one's stopping you from selling your guns to help pay for you college. Or do you really not want to do it on your own, do you really want the government to force it upon you? That sounds more like a submission fetish.
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>>29284196
I'd give up all my guns for a time machine so I can go back in time to when you were a child and force feed you bleach
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>>29284238
>Don't let daddy catch you with his guns, bro.
Yeah, I'd run like a bitch too if I got proven wrong.

>>29284240
I would ask to see yours, but you gave them all up to the California State Government, right Phil?
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>>29283869
There aren't any battleships left in service, anon.
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>>29283517
>>29283546
>>29283553
>>29284196


Red Blooded American here born and raised. Dont let these trolls get to you /k/omrade. I am a gun owner and I would gladly give it up to have my student debt forgiven and to see others get free college. We have to build a nation. Without free education equal rights, equal pay, economic freedom, and just basically making sure everyone gets a slice, WE HAVE NOTHING.
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>>29284133
It's like most people don't listen to him when he's not shouting angrily.

If they did they'd find he's far more reasonable and moderate than he sounds when he's yelling.
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>>29284196
>Id give them all up

Then do it now you faggot
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>>29284269
Not unless I have to.
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>>29284063
>giving everyone free highschool devalued highschool
kek
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>>29284196

> Bernie
> Attacks Trump daily
> too much of a pussy to ever ever criticize Hillary during the debates or release attack ads
> Bernie shills wonder why he loses in the primaries

Pawn your guns and donate the money to Bernie. Don't forget to post it to r/sandersforpresident.
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>>29284265
No one is stopping you from giving up your guns now.
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>>29284265
Thanks man. Glad there are some level headed people here who see the big picture.

Single issue voters are the worst.
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>>29284273
But it's for the greater good of society that you don't own guns.
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Cars kill way more people than guns do. think about it. car crashes, carbon monoxide poisoning. i and the carbon foot print on our virgin planet. i think we should give up our cars because CARS KILL PEOPLE
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>>29284284
I have given money already.

You guys act like I don't love guns. I do. But there is more to life than that, and if it takes voting for someone who will correct centuries of injustice but take my guns, he can have them.
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>>29284288
I doubt most of these so called "trump supporting Gun owners" are even old enough to vote, much less own firearms. They will become wise with age hopefully
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>>29284265
why not both? why do we have to lose guns to gain college? the problem with the system is that college simply costs too damn much.
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>>29284265

> rusted hooker gun

Might as well give up that piece of shit. No wonder you want the tax payers to give you free shit, poorfag. Get a real job, faggot.
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>>29284295
Why? I don't do anything wrong with them. Im responsible.
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>>29284302
Hahahahahahahaha you think Bernie is actually going to beat Hillary.
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>>29284302
Okay, look... are you a faggot or a nigger or both? Pardon my being so blunt, but *somebody* has to ask.
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>>29284287
yes there is
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>>29284305
>trump supporter
K A S I C H
A
S
I
C
H
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>>29284320
Oh look.
Racism. Shocking.
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>>29284203
The guy who ran the Obama campaigns thinks it's a very real possibility and he ran the most successful campaigns in recent memory

Not to mention that a lot of older democrats are being alienated by the modern democratic party's rabid sjw-ism, I'm from a big hardcore democrat family and everyone over 20 would vote for Trump over Hillary.
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>>29284325
What's stopping you from getting rid of your guns?

Lead by example if you want others to follow.
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>>29284302

You're already willing to give up the guns. Do it now and give the money to your precious bernie. Come on, faggot. Your cool commie grandpa needs your donation!
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>>29284320
Why do you claim that people would fight for their rights but you don't?

Why did you roll over and take that statist cock?
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>>29284310
I do have a job, annon. I also volunteer my time occasionally to help those in need? What do you do to better this country other than call people names from the safety of your computer?
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>>29284343
>You're already willing to give up the guns.
Only if needed.
I wouldn't want to, but if its a choice between keeping them and seeing Bernie fix this nation, I'm giving them up.

Somethings are more important.
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>>29284344
Because muh free stuff
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Today i will remind them
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>>29284330

> wah racism on 4chan!

Deal with it, you kike loving commie nigger.
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>>29284359
How is Bernie going to fix this nation by spending $19 trillion over the next 10 years?
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>>29284302
what injustice are you talking about exactly?
does the world owe you a living?
go out and fucking work for it you lazy bastard.
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>>29284359
>Bernie fix this nation
lol you sandersfront faggots are delusional
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>>29283805

not him but nobody owes anybody anything
>>
I voted for Kasich in Ohio yesterday. Never have I really considered voting for Trump, but if these Sanders fans keep this shit up, I'll vote for Trump in a heart beat over having to listen to them tell me how I should live my life.
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>>29284284
You don't get it. the democrats are forging a party of unity thingy.

Its what the republicans used to have since Reagan. But then Ron Paul and then libertarians and the Tea party and then Trump came along

Now the republicans are about as united as the Syrians right now.
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>>29284383
By elevating the living standards of the US. Making sure the poor arent taken advantage of by the rich.

>>29284385
The way the rich plunder and victimize the poor in this nation.
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>ITT literal communists spouting that their bad choices need to be undone for them to truly be free, and that giving up basic human rights is what they and everyone else should do to accomplish it

Holy shit, drink bleach you retarded fucking leeches.

>literally willingly giving up basic human rights for some feeling of security financially

>literally giving away their freedom for slavery and questioning why they've become slaves

The cognitive dissonance is real

Your being alive right now is a miracle of our age of decadence only made possible due to capitalism.
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>Isn't the US military the most powerful one around?

On paper it is, in the same sense that the French Army was the most "powerful" in the world in 1940. If the amount of money thrown at a project directly correlated to success, the US education system would be the best in the world.
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>>29284353

I'm a cop. Go fuck yourself. I also make it a point to give a citation to as many faggots with Bernie stickers as I can and call K9 to sniff for drugs at ever stop. Better drive that speed limit, faggot.
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>>29284336
same story here my parents are what you'd call moderate democrats and they refuse to vote for either of the democratic candidates
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>>29284344
Because Phil is a statist too. He's mentioned on numerous occasions that he thinks 'quaint' ideas like freedom and rights should only be granted to certain groups of people.
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>>29284421
> highschool drop pursues government funded job solely to abuse his power against people he disagrees with
I'm not even that guy, but I seriously hope you get shot by a nigger fucking pig.
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>>29284421
A fucking cop.
Shot any unarmed kids for being black lately?

>>29284402
The rich who stand on the shoulders of the poor do.
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>>29284421
Do you like being a cop? About to finish my two year degree and not sure if I want to keep going for a 4 year or just see if being a cop is a good career start for me
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>>29284413
>By elevating the living standards of the US.
How is he going to do that?

>Making sure the poor arent taken advantage of by the rich.
DC is run by the elite and those with money, how do you think he's actually going to get anything done when Obama who is far more moderate can't get shit done? Bernie would be fighting his own party on that.

>The way the rich plunder and victimize the poor in this nation.
You got any actual proof of this?
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>>29284265

What good does a university education even provide at this point that EVERYONE needs to go? I've got a double major in philosophy and poli science, in highschool I had the highest SAT score at my school and I'm unemployed.

And you just arbitrarily think that everyone needs to go to college including the fucking D students when we've already got an economy where college graduates can't find work. Seriously at this point I wish I'd gone to a fucking trade school and learned welding because as much as I like analyzing Immanuel Kant's categorical imperatives it doesn't pay the fucking bills.

The only reason that Bernie and the Dems want everyone to go to college is so more people can be indoctrinated with "progressive" neoliberal social justice bullshit.

Our university system is a broken ineffectual mess that has abandoned free expression in the name of social justice mandated conformity. If you think throwing everyone into that system is going to fix this society's problems then you need to pull your head out of your ass.
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>>29284421
You consider performing illegal searches and murdering young unarmed black men contributing to society? Fucking disgusting pig, you all deserve to burn.
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>>29284458
>How is he going to do that?
Making sure everyone has the option for an education.
Read his platform.

>how do you think he's actually going to get anything done when Obama who is far more moderate can't get shit done?
The will of the people.

>You got any actual proof of this?
Have you seen CEO pay compared to workers wages?
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>>29284452

Oh look a BLM cuck, nice job outing yourself, raidfag.
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>>29284452

you owe me 25 dollars
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>>29284457
apparently he does, hes bragging about illegal searches and he probably cant wait to kill his first black teenager.
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>>29284480
No, I support Cliven Bundy. I think the BLM was in the wrong. That land should be for the people.

>>29284481
For?
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>>29280865

Underrated post
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>>29284477
>Making sure everyone has the option for an education.
>Read his platform.
That's going to elevate the standards of the US how? Especially when we add $19 trillion in debt?

>The will of the people.
Too bad we aren't a direct democracy, and thank god for that.

>Have you seen CEO pay compared to workers wages?
Kek, muh wage gap fallacies
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>>29284413
being poor and being a victim are a mindset.
unless someone in particular is doing this to you, you don't have a case outside of sounding like a butthurt marxist.
>b-but the system man
grow a fuckin spine. quit trying to make the system more powerful than it is.
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>>29284421
>abusing your authority because people don't think the same as you
I hope you get cornered in an alley by 15 angry niggers.
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>>29284509
>strawmaning this hard
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>>29282888
And Reagan
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>>29284473
Don't try to explain complex ideas like market saturation to these idiots if they could understand these concepts they wouldn't be voting for bernout
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>>29284515
Being poor is just in your mind?
Good to know. Ill tell all the homeless that they can think their way into a new house.
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>>29284308
fucking seriously, there is no reason to go after guns other than a grab for power. As much as they want you to think gun control is a fundamental part of the left, the're simply lying.
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>>29284457

Its fun, it really depends on the location. Big city cops like LAPD and NYPD have to deal with a lot of bullshit from state officials. Try to go to a small town if you can and you can always transfer to a larger department if you want.
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>>29284519
You don't even understand what a straw argument is, do you?
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>>29284196
Hello bait old friend. You truly are a ruser of rusers.
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>>29283164
>> hurr construction is a real trade
>It isn't. Anyone can dig a ditch or hammer a nail. If an illiterate spic can do your job, it's not a real trade.

My fucking sides. You realize becoming an electrician, welder, plumber or HVAC is extremely difficult and make as much as a scientist, right?
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>>29284500

because you make more money than me, its only fair
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>>29284516

Good thing nogs can't aim, cuckfag.
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>>29284421
i've been thinking about being a copfag as well. there aren't many hometown residents in the OPD's force.
I see the billboards all over the city and stuff, i dunno
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>>29282874
Is this cuckery a real thing?
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>>29283375
>>29283395
These I agree with, this not so much >>29283450
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>>29284549
>Being mad for being called out for running from the point.
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>>29284557
Trump is literally invested in the market and comes from a corporate background it's common fucking sense that he's not going to do anything to upset it. The economy will be fine under Trump only an idiot would think otherwise.

It's his stance on other issues that bear considering
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>>29284569
Ok.

>>29284579
They are all the same position.
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>>29284585
semper sic tyrannis
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>>29284585
Who's running from the point? You. I'm attempting to hold you to your points and provide the information that you can't back up.
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>>29284604
I have backed up every point.
It's not my fault you can't read.
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>>29284473
The reason the college system is failing is because its not diverse enough. People are becoming set in their old fashion ways which wont work in todays fast paced world. More diversity in the colleges will give people a 360 degree view of the world, create more jobs and ultimately a prosperous america. Bernie can make this happen, all you have to do to help is pay an almost unnoticeable amount from your check each week and let the system do the rest.
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>>29284548
Small fucking town north of Seattle. What are the career advancements like?
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>>29284598

actually, you know what i demand 52% of your income, its only fair.
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>>29284603
virginiafag?
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>>29284516
this
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>>29284611
No you haven't. You've just spouted more rhetoric

"The will of the people"
What does that do? We aren't a direct democracy. Bernie isn't going to have the support of his own party.

Me calling you out isn't a straw argument.

And the wage gap numbers doesn't tell the whole story. You post two numbers and compare them solely on that and you have the gall to accuse me of presenting a faulty argument?

The truth is Bernie Sanders supporters can't back up anything they spout with actual information.
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>>29284611
i agree with you because if we gave up our guns then no one could ever kill anyone illegally
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>>29284473
>>29284613

5/10, decent attempt. I'd fall for it if I were a chump.
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>>29284540
it's simple. don't spend money you don't have. always plan a safety net. be resourceful. you can escape poverty or even homelessness if you are resourceful.
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>>29283141
I probably shouldn't have laughed at that but it actually does make my son(so also my wifes son) upset. We watched one of the last GOP debates and my 2 year old got freaked out at all the yelling. Wanted to know why they were so angry and mean.
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>>29284634
Keep running.
If you want to understand his platform, educate yourself.

>>29284642
THIS
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>>29284644
If you cant see how free college, equal pay, and equal rights are the most important thing for the prosperity if the country, then you are a chump
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>>29284613
fuck others I want to keep as much money as I can from my already raped paycheck

fuck the poor
fuck college students
fuck minorities
fuck immigrants
figure it out on your own and if you're not smart enough to do it fucking die and let evolution take it's course
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>>29283148
he loaned that money to the campain. He gets a nice tax write off no matter what. Shiit it's like you don't even know how people with lots of money make more money.
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>>29284592
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Trump made his money through real estate, he has no idea how the market or greater economy works. The official wallstreet candidate is probably Shillary. Trump's protectionist and anti-Free Trade policies would cost almost every corporation millions.
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>>29284652
I'm not running. You won't answer anything or stay on topic. You're deflecting and attempting to change the subject.

I'm holding you too this. How is the will of the people going to help Bernie?

How do the number differences between CEO and business owners and their employees proof that they are plundering and victimizing their employees?

Don't make claims you can't back up.
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>>29284673
>How is the will of the people going to help Bernie?

When the politicians see how vocal the people are, they will back down.
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>>29284659
>>29284473
>>29284644

This is exactly the type of racist, closed minded thinking that is tearing our country apart. If we diversified colleges by giving free tuition to all Americans this problem would be solved in less than 4 years.
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>>29284694
HAHAHAHA.... History says otherwise
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>>29284701
This too.
By educating ALL of us, ALL of us will rise.
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>>29284718
No we won't.
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>>29284694
>When the politicians see how vocal the people are, they will back down.

Like the Dems when it came to guns? They sure are backing down.
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>>29283195
I noticed the fag wouldn't reply to your post. It's because your post is the truth.
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>>29284701
6/10 for persistence. Now for the bonus round, explain to me how "diversity" benefits anything.
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on the one hand... people who think rich folks don't owe the government anything are hilariously retarded.

On the other hand, even though I fucking hate trump right now and I'm still butthurt that it looks like I'm going to have to choose between hilary/trump instead of bernie/trump (which would be a far more interesting debate at the very least), I will force myself to pay close attention to trump as the general candidate, and if he says the right things I will simply elect not to vote. I do hate hilary as well, after all; but Trump could potentially earn my lack of spite.

If you've paid attention to american presidential races at all, you know that the candidate you see in a primary is a totally different candidate from what you get in the general. This was true for bush (I voted for him), Obama (I voted for him too, both times), and it will also be true for Trump, Clinton, and whoever else shoehorns their way into the general election. Everybody goes populist/moderate and then fights the gallant fight of redefining their earlier extremism through deft semantic tapdancing.
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>>29284756
I already explained it here, genius
>>29284613
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>>29284770
> I will elect not to vote
Just vote third party; it's effectively the same thing.
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>>29284770
Trump is pandering pure and simple, I guarantee a change of gears if he makes it to the general.

He's not an ideal candidate but national elections never have an ideal candidate.

A supreme court justice is on the line and as gun rights advocates we cannot afford to have a liberal justice set us back 20 years
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>>29284659
this
I don't like Trump but I'll vote for him out of spite
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>>29284790
go home bernie, youre drunk and on the wrong board.
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>>29284790
No you just keep saying diversity is our savior but you don't explain WHY that is, or HOW it creates jobs and makes us better.
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>>29284903
Can you read you fucking sperg?
>>29284613
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>>29284903
how do you guys not realize these supposedly "pro-bernie" guys on this board are posting this shit because they're actually anti-bernie? Like, they're literally saying shit that is precisely calculated to make you mad, and still you fall for it. They don't even sound like real people.

"all you need to do is contribute an almost unnoticeable amount"

like who the fuck says that?

I'm a bernie supporter and I can tell you these guys are not actually "pro-bernie"

he's far from a perfect candidate, but he's also the only one that will appease the full-on libtards while keeping my gun relatively safe.
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>>29284961
I can, but a better question is can you think? I can read that drivel you call an opinion, it doesn't make any sense.

Let's take this section by section.
>The reason the college system is failing is because its not diverse enough.
You have yet to explain how this is a problem and how affirmative action changes this 'problem'.

>People are becoming set in their old fashion ways which wont work in todays fast paced world.
Specifically what old ways are problematic that are a result of college not being diverse enough?

>More diversity in the colleges will give people a 360 degree view of the world, create more jobs and ultimately a prosperous america.
What does a "360 degree view of the world" do exactly? More importantly, how does it create even a single job?

>Bernie can make this happen, all you have to do to help is pay an almost unnoticeable amount from your check each week and let the system do the rest.
Bernie can't do shit because of congress, if there's anything republicans hare more than democrats, it's more taxes on their shit.

So 10/10 troll you got me to go full autist.
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>>29285002
You know hes pro AWB, right?
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>>29285004
>You have yet to explain how this is a problem and how affirmative action changes this 'problem'.
I never said anything about affirmative action. Free tuition would be for all Americans. Do you even know what affirmative action is?
Free Tuition for all would ensure that everyone is educated and qualified, making our GDP stronger, and DECREASING the need for welfare; the people can get jobs now because they are actually qualified. Less money goes to welfare, more goes to education,science and infrastructure.... BOOM! You're living In a futuristic paradise in less than 10 years.
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>>29284659
>figure it out on your own and if you're not smart enough to do it fucking die and let evolution take it's course

wow, you sound like real charmer, if I was in a desperate situation and at risk of starving, and I had some smarmy fuck telling me I should just die, I'd just kill him and take what I need from his rotting corpse.I mean why the fuck not in that situation? It's not like he can really claim that I was the one being uncivil in the first place. The social contract of civilization is only worth abiding by if it benefits you in some way.
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>>29285067
Ok at least now we're getting somewhere. You're still leaving out the part where you can't force people to go to college. There is no incentive even if it's free, for people to put the effort in when they can continue living off welfare. Saying you'll decrease welfare is a nice thought, but when Jamal and Tyrone and burning down the city because the food stamps ran out nice thoughts won't do much for you.
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>>29285071
>if I was in a desperate situation and at risk of starving, and I had some smarmy fuck telling me I should just die, I'd just kill him and take what I need from his rotting corpse
and you'll get killed or imprisoned in the process like every other shit with that mindset who tried to take something from people with my mindset
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Jesus Christ. All these fucking Bernie dipshits flooding into /k/ recently. Don't these cucks know this is a trump board?

>but muh free college
>muh free healthcare
>muh socialism/communism

Fuck off.
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>>29285133
Jamal and Tyrone have been being told they are worthless their entire lives. They know no matter how much they try, they can never escape the endless cycle of poverty and systematic racism. Would would you do, annon?
Free tuition gives them hope for the future, knowing that they will get the same opportunity as privileged folks like you and me. We cant uplift ourselves without uplifting them
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>>29285142
>and you'll get killed or imprisoned in the process like every other shit with that mindset who tried to take something from people with my mindset

Lol, at least one option would give me chance, if we are talking about the difference between living and starving to death. Do you wanna guess how many unsolved murders there are? Besides, I'm not talking about violence on just the individual, interpersonal level, if a society has whole were to adopt your attitude, we would quickly slide back into a hobbesian state of nature state of nature, your not strong enough to resist every poor and desperate person in society, you cant be on guard 24/7, so certain guarantees between the haves and have not must exist for pragmatic reasons.
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>>29285186
>We cant uplift ourselves without uplifting them
This is patently false. I can study, get good grades, work a god awful job to mildly off set the cost, then get a degree and look for a job that doesn't exist because it was out sourced without having to help anyone else. No matter how much you want to, you can't will jobs into existence. Say you fill every college to capacity, what do you tell the vast majority of them who can't get a job when they graduate because there is no job?
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>>29285234
Having an educated populous creates new jobs

Also, If we have enough educated people that arent crippled by student debt or out outrageous healthcare costs, they can afford to make less money and we wont have to outscource as many jobs. Hell, We would probably get jobs outscourced to us!
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>>29284408
>what the republicans used to have since Reagan.
>then Ron Paul and then libertarians and the Tea party and then Trump came along
Republican party unity lasted all of 4 years after Reagan, when Ross Perot split the party.

The Democrats have always been the unity party. Starting with the political machines and then into the unions. Right now they're actually the least cohesive they've been in ages and they've been cracking more and more as the progressives have gotten further and further outside the norm and increasingly balkanized themselves.

But you can bet your ass that come election day all the Bernie supporting union workers are still going to march into the booth and pull Hillary's lever like good little party members.
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>>29285309
>Having an educated populous creates new jobs
No it does not. Simply educating people does not create things for them to do. It makes them good at things, but it does not provide them things to do.
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>>29285186
Ship them back to Africa along with their worthless single mom.
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>>29283972
This. There is a difference between the education received at country vs. city universities. If you make it free then people start going there just because they don't know what else to do with their lives. To accomodate, the standard of education is lowered significantly.

To keep high standards of education as well as making it free, the government must increase taxes heavily. This, aside from exponentially increasing the cost of living, potentially cuts funding in areas such as healthcare and defence. You then must also deal with the issue of massive amounts of foreigners trying to come to your country for free higher education, and then leaving so they don't end up paying the government back (see Norway). This must be combatted by tightening regulations as far as immigration and education visas go, which is something leftists are against, but if it is not done the government ends up paying international students' education fees and getting no productivity in return, as well as paying them out in welfare and healthcare.

It would be great to have free education, but it really isn't that simple, or worth it. We need cogs in the machine to grind away at unskilled labour to keep the country going. If everyone becomes a doctor, then who would work in factories or enlist in the military?

Tl;dr you can have everything, sacrifices must be made and nobody owes you your education. You must work and pay for everything that you have. It sucks, but communism is the alternative, and if you want that, go to China.
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>>29285186
You realize that if you're a nigger named Jamal and not 100% retarded. Like, all you have to do is actually show up to class in high school and be able to B average your way through some retard level classes with the other chimps. . . . you get a full ride scholarship already.
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>>29285400
There is a very common misconception (usually among racists) that you automatically get to go to college if you are black. To some actual research instead of just repeating bullshit your toothless uncle Henry told you after he got done molesting you behind the barn
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>>29285205
oh you just got out of philosophy 101 you can't get upvotes for referencing Hobbes here

Haves look out for each other and let the havenots eat each other.

see: human history, or go to your nearest ghetto.
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>>29285435
>that you automatically get to go to college if you are black

If you actually read my statement, I said if you were black and not 100% retarded you'd get scholarships. You obviously didn't qualify, sorry about that.
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>>29285435
oh, also:

http://www.tuskegee.edu/academics/academic_services/career_development/list_of_scholarships_for_african_american_students.aspx

The best part on that huge list of scholarships for nig is:
>We were told that not enough African American students are applying for these scholarships. There are a number of companies and organizations who have donated money for scholarships to African Americans, but a great deal of the money is being returned because of a lack of awareness or lack of interest.
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>>29285500
>Like, all you have to do is actually show up to class in high school and be able to B average your way through some retard level classes with the other chimps. . . . you get a full ride scholarship already.
Completely untrue - a gross exaggeration at a minimum
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>>29285520
>http://www.tuskegee.edu/academics/academic_services/career_development/list_of_scholarships_for_african_american_students.aspx
Inventor's scholarships and fellowships NOT EQUAL TO
"dont be a total retard and get a free ride"
I can see that you are a closed minded racist and there is nothing i can do to change that. You are cutting in to my yoga time and I wont let you take that from me.

Goodnight annon
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>>29285360
>Simply educating people does not create things for them to do
Yeah it does.
Fostering a creative spirit and encouraging innovation creates jobs.
Hell, it can even create new industries, it's really what America was founded on. Grumpy jobless college grads.
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>>29285574
This
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>>29285520
>We were told that not enough African American students are applying for these scholarships.
Most scholarships don't have enough applicants anyhow. I work at a high school. We have a fuck ton of scholarships that no one ever applies for.
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>>29285574
>Fostering a creative spirit and encouraging innovation creates jobs.
>Hell, it can even create new industries, it's really what America was founded on. Grumpy jobless college grads.

one in a million, the ones with a marketable skills get jobs and the others move back in with their parents and raid 4chan to drum up support for a commie presidential candidate and complain about their job at McDonalds
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>>29285652
>marketable skills
Every skill is marketable, if you care enough.
I was a philosophy major. I now work as a "business philosopher". Shit's cash.
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Do you have any idea where prices come from and why education is expensive? The reason is because for many, higher education already is subsidized through taxation i.e. government student loans, and financial aid. None of this actually drives down the price of higher education but artificially increases the consumption of higher education. This increased consumption leads to higher tuition costs. Bernie’s plan would actually make this worse. Fully funding every college student through taxation would drastically increase consumption and prices of education. It also makes a college degree less valuable, because more people have them. Parallels with Europe don't really compare because their enrollment rates per capita are about half what the US has. Fuck socialism.
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>>29284330
Two things:
>1
Phil is actually retarded, and he loves to remind us of that every time he posts
>2
You're complaining about racism on 4chan. Go fuck yourself you wop loving spicniggerkikemick.
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>>29285996
Under this logic, subsidized food should cost more. As would public roads. And public water, electricity, and gas.
It doesn't. This post is dumb.
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>>29286131
It does cost more. Supply and demand is real.
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>>29286131
Where do those subsidies come from?
Have you seen the costs for solar and wind, which are both heavily subsidized?
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>>29286157
>Supply and demand is real
Yeah. Subsidizing college increases the SUPPLY.

>>29286168
I believe Sanders wants to tax speculation.
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>>29285469


>oh you just got out of philosophy 101 you can't get upvotes for referencing Hobbes here

You don't get any upvotes for failing to refute him either.


>Haves look out for each other and let the havenots eat each other.

Lol, you flat out said you wouldn't care if someone else starved to death, in fact you said you hoped they starved to death. So apparently, you wouldn't even help a "have" if he momentarily became a "have-not". Don't try to backtrack and claim that you have empathy now.

Your position is the sort I would invent if I wanted to argue against strawman libertarian, it's that fucking nihilistic. If I want to make libertarianism look like just a thin excuse for narcissism and socio-pathology, I would the make the sort of argument you are making. It's not that you just think current welfare programs are bad, or are against proposed extension to social safety net, you would give the poor the literal crumbs off the table even if it was even a minor inconvenience for you. You're like some character in Les Miserable who would toss a guy in jail for stealing a loaf of bread, only to be torn apart by an angry mob several chapters later. But naw man, you'e the ubermench, john galt, and fucking superman, no one can touch you right?
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>>29286189
>Subsidizing college increases the SUPPLY.
This.
We already have an imbalance on the demand side
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>>29286189
Building Colleges and staffing them would increase supply not Subsidizing the cost of education. This should be self evident. Subsidies leads to more consumption. More consumption leads to higher demand. Higher demand leads to higher prices. Without a free market force to give incentive to expand services the market stagnates and prices remain high, which is why prices are higher now than they were when there were less subsidies for education. You have no fucking idea what you are talking about and it is obvious. Turn your zeal for theft from the producers pocketbook to giving people a service and or product they want and you too can be a wealthy producer instead of leech.
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>>29286263
>prices are higher now than they were when there were less subsidies for education
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
Schools are way less subsidized now than they were pre-Reaganomics. Your "Free Market" has made the education system parasitic, leeching not only off of you while you are in school, but for years afterward. Your fallacy riddled argument is made more blatantly wrong by the fact that other countries already subsidize college, and they have seen the price of tuition go down. So, while your capitalistic dreams may work in theory, they do not translate well to the real world.
Furthermore, you don't need to build more colleges to increase supply, just expand the preexisting ones. Allowing for federal grants that encourage college expansion is one way to go about this.
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>>29284265
>>29286131
>free college education
>building a nation
>and yet, economic freedom

Kek. The University of San Carlos of Guatemala is one of the oldest universities in the Americas (1670s), and has free enrollment for its 150,000 students. The graduation rate is in the single digits. This is because people only give a shit about something when their own money is involved.

Please realize that socialism is not any more "equitable" than capitalism; it can only be less. Notice that the underlying principal of socialism specifically holds people to different standards, yet expects everyone to have the same goals in life. The underprivileged people are entitled to the same social outcome as everyone else, even if they did no work to earn it, and anyone that strives to improve themselves pays for it. This is the antithesis of the American way, and the negative law system. This also violates everyone's property rights.
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>>29286189
>>29286224
>Subsidizing college increases the SUPPLY.

Oh really? Making college free for the student (consumer, demand side) means there are more teachers (supply side) to teach the classes? Your public school education is showing.
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>>29286510
The problem isn't in subsidizing schools, it's in subsidizing students. More specifically it's in subsidizing students and continually increasing the subsidies when the costs to the students increase. It's a perverse incentive if you give a consumer more money to spend on X then sellers of X will increase its cost. It's a problem because it's not a gift it's a fucking loan, if you never had to pay it back nobody would give a shit. And the government probably wouldn't be so keen to keep increasing the limit. We don't talk about that one enough, but it's another perverse incentive.

The other problem is that governing power in colleges has increasingly been stripped from faculty and appropriated by administrative bureaucrats, who go on to do as they do and create reasons to expand themselves to justify their existence. This is why every college suddenly has a dozen assistant deans of multicultural expression that need to be paid.
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>>29286621
Yes there is a demand increase but without incentive to compete and expand for a discerning consumer there is little progress made to addressing the problems from a massive increase in demand. (crowding, less staff availability, housing issues, tutoring options, etc ) Freer markets could address all these problems and not cost us our economic freedom.
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