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Pentagon Will Open All Combat Roles to Women

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Pentagon Will Open All Combat Roles to Women

>In a historic transformation of the American military, Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter said on Thursday that the Pentagon will open all combat jobs to women.

>“There will be no exceptions,” Mr. Carter said at a news conference.

>The groundbreaking decision overturns a 1994 Pentagon rule that restricts women from artillery, armor, infantry and other such combat roles, even though in reality women often found themselves in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 14 years.

>The military faced a deadline set by the Obama administration three years ago to integrate women into all combat jobs by 2016 or ask for specific exemptions. The Navy and Air Force have already opened almost all combat positions to women, and the Army has also increasingly integrated its forces.

>The only exemptions were requested by the Marine Corps, which has a 93 percent male force dominated by infantry and a culture that still segregates recruits by gender for basic training. But Mr. Carter said he overruled the Marines because the military should operate under a common set of standards.
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>muh gender equality
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LETS SE THEM STANDARDS DROP

if dubs we are fucked
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>>28077324
This is the peacetime military. Once something major happens and we get innawar again this shit won't stand as soon as females fail to preform combat duties and die in mass numbers compared to male troops. Then they'll be begging not to be in combat roles. However, standards will unfortunately be lowered, and more betas and females will benefit from muh feelins and the overall pussification of 'Murica.
In short, some men just want to watch the world burn.
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Very simple solution:
raise the standards so that even roided up 'women' can't pass, guaranteeing no women can serve in combat roles and making all of the military better off.
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>>28077782
And just how are you gonna do that with the current state of things?
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>>28077822
"Oiy, how would like a military the preforms better and costs the same or less money?"

That sounds pretty good.

"We raise the standards, it doesn't cost money to reject someone (relative to the cost in money and lives of having to train inferior soldiers)"

Fair point. Sorry women, you can try but you are pretty much guaranteed to not be able to serve.
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>>28077367
We were already fucked. Our marines are like Britain's boy scouts
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Mark my words: There will never be a female member of Delta or DEVGRU\ ST6. They might shove a few through army SF or BUD/S just to shut up the SJWs, but they will never see operational deployment.
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America you are fucked so lay down already spread your ass cheeks and prepare to enjoy the White Gorilla AIDS Spetznas will pound into you good.
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>>28077927
Of course they will anon, they'll just lower the entry requirements to 3 push ups and a 100 meter run in 20 minutes.
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I'm probably stupid but the pussification of any military has always puzzled me. These people kill other people for a living. Literally paid to end lives. What part of that tells other people "let's make them shit so they can't do their job properly/anymore"? It's the last place you want to disrupt since it's the last line of defence for your nation and people.
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>>28078050
The people calling the shots will gladly fuck over the people the front lines if it benefits their careers and towing the feminist line is currently very politically savvy for high ranking military officers.
Then when a real war comes along again and people die because of this bullshit, other high ranking military officers will capitalize career-wise by making a big show of protecting women from combat.
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>>28078050
There comes a point when your warhorse has beat the shit out of all the other horses and now only functions as a showpony. So people think it's ok to put bows in his hair, cut off his testicles, and parade him around. Which is ok. Until you need a warhorse again.
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>>28078117
>>28078141
So it's a lions being led by donkeys type of thing? Or maybe led by snakes?
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>>28078181
Snaked headed donkeys.
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The solution is so fucking simple, don't change the standards for women! It shouldn't be "female soldiers" and "male soldiers" with different requirements, it should just be "soldiers" and a single set of requirements. Why is this such a hard thing for the military to implement?
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>>28078222
Even for the SJWs, isn't this insulting? The inherent implication that even the most qualified females couldn't meet the base standards for scrawny teen guys straight out of high school?
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>>28078141
>>28078181
>>28078192
Topest of keks.
/k/ a magical place.
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>>28077324
>brits policing an empire
>not wearing red coats

What is this world coming to?
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>>28077324
Female draft registration when?

We need true eqaulity. Can I hit women back now without people making something of it?
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>>28077324
Fish here.

I'm going to enlist in the us army with the intention of eventually going special forces. A lot of you say "that would stress logistics" or "the standards will end up lowered" but this is just the pathetic lashing out of anti-ichthites who couldn't even get a nibble despite investing in a new Panther Martin. I can breathe air and operate a rifle too. I totally know a shark that once bit a kid that got whisked away by a rip tide, which means I have a good chance at fighting enemy soldiers. It's time to embrace a new progressive era, people. Check your mammalian privilege.
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>>28078285
All good points
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>>28077324
>in reality women often found themselves in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 14 years
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>>28078285
So I can enter the female lockerroom at the gym? And female soldiers will be required to get the same haircuts as men, right?
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Shit Americans, you need to do something about your PC politicians.

The horrors of a female soldier or marine getting captured, especially by Ahmed and friends...
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>>28078320

No, but you can enter the women's locker room at planet fitness.
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>>28077324
>even though in reality women often found themselves in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 14 years.
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>>28078312
Insurgents may not be comparable to an actual army, but yes, being shot at and shelled by poppy farmers instead of soldiers still counts as combat.
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>>28078366
You can?
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>>28077324

>conduct test to see the effectiveness of female soldiers
>female soldiers empirically proven to be much less effective than male soldiers
>being good doesn't matter, looking good does

This a sad day in human history, sexist ideologies like feminism will see this as a victory but in the long run I believe history will see it as the sad patronising act that it is

You aren't equal when people prop you up, you are equal when you can stand on your own, the men will still have to work and the women will be given a free ride without putting in any effort because it wins votes and increases approval ratings

It would be different if there weren't studies proving that it's pointless and even detrimental but oh well
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>>28078386
I don't understand their point.

Real active combat isn't just being shot at. If that was the only barrier for women in combat roles then most of our black population would be fit for duty.
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>>28077324
THANK GOD 7 MONTHS UNTIL ETS
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>>28078392
Got a source on said test? I don't disbelieve you; rather, I want it on hand for when I discuss this with other people.

Also, and this ties into the above, but aren't the PT standards for men and women different? Aren't the minimums for women well below a failing score for men?
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fuck it...more people for if we ever need to go to war with china or some shit...some one do the math as 2 how many soldiers that would add.
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>>28078389

Yep, the whole SJW thing is imploding on itself.

You simply say you identify as a woman and waltz on in.

Their offical policy is they can't question your gender identify.
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>>28078499
about twice as many
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>>28078386

False. Circumstantial exposure to direct fire and reactionary firing back is not combat.

Combat is waking up and exiting friendly lines explicitly with the purpose to seek and violently kill the opposing force trying to kill you. Combat is an all encompassing endeavour where every movement you make is intended to place yourself in a more advantageous posture or position to kill. Combat is moving towards the machine gun lighting you up before your last mortar round has exited the tube.

Getting shot at diving through a mountain pass, and blindly firing into the sky while moving is not "lol combat"
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>>28078472
>aren't the PT standards for men and women different?

YES.
The bare minimum amount needed for males to pass is the female's max score.
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A good day for the military
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>>28078472
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/11/04/454672813/controversial-marine-corps-study-on-gender-integration-published-in-full

And yes, female PT standards are a joke. As a male, if I was to run a "C group" standard, I'd be failing my PT test of 15:54. Females are praised if they maintain a "C group" standard. A 15:54 scoring is a 96% on their test. Male standards for pushups is 42 minimum. If a female gets 42 pushups, everybody shits their pants and she gets an award.
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>>28078549
Hue
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>>28078550
Just want to lean on this guys point some more.

Most of the "combat" females have seen are the truck drivers getting hit by IEDs (which counts as a combat action). Or taking indirect fire while on a FOB. That being said, yes, a select few females have been in protracted firefights, but generally in a stationary position, unless they were gunning from a truck.

We had a female medic who'd ride with us when we went on mounted patrols. She saw combat when we got into several small firefights. Largely, she stayed by the trucks, or in the truck.

When we went on dismounted patrols, they always switched her out to a male medic. She knew, and our higher ups knew, that she'd never be able to keep up with us. Hiking those mountains sucked.
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Are you guys ready to learn more about female hygiene and cater to the girls in your unit?
Coz it's gonna happen!

http://www.stripes.com/news/task-force-aims-to-reduce-urinary-tract-infections-among-deployed-women-1.193088
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Women are totally fit for any role in the military.
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>>28077324
>Pentagon disbands US military as a pointless relic
>"We'd be fucked by russkies anyway" Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter was heard to remark
>Money in the defense budget still poured into a burning pit as tradition demands
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So, here's what I think. You have 2 options here, really 3 but #3 is "men only" so here we go. Keep in mind that failure is NOT an option.
#1- Roll out the sweet new BigDog logistics aid and exoskeleton tech. Equalizers, far more so than the firearms that females can use effectively already (most of 'em anyways). Tech does the heavy lifting saving all soldiers, male and female, from the more intense physical labor.

#2- Female soldiers need to take specific roles that minimize their weaknesses. Like not fighting.

Let's be honest, men and women ARE different. Women are built to carry babies and not die and men are built to do all the dangerous crap without a baby in them. Hence, we are not all 7' hermaphrodite amazons (wouldn't be too bad though). Men are far more disposable than women due to the way we reproduce.
Hell, it's 2015, you could probably take every man and put him in a coma and just wake him up for sex, world would be fine. Any of the old threats that men protected against could just be shot with a gun.
Of course, it is not only men with a desire to fight and be violent, the human body is a strange thing. Males and females can exhibit characteristics of their opposite.
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>>28078386

Let me know when they strap a hundred pounds of crap on and climb over some mountains to close with other killers and take their lives.

Pulling the trigger is the easy part.
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>>28077782
The military already gives female recruits a much easier time than men when they can't complete the same courses. Raising the standards isn't going to do anything of value except make the standards higher for men which may not actually be a bad idea. So in a way you're on to something but not for the right reasons.
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>>28078905

Option 3 is the sneaky route: Say publicly that of course we welcome all people among the few and the proud, but simply apply equal physical standards to everyone - standards that women cannot meet. Equal treatment, you see.
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>>28078973
>The military already gives female recruits a much easier time than men when they can't complete the same courses

So stop doing that.

Directly order no one to ever help a woman, no matter what. Let them fail, then kick them out when they inevitably do. And if some genetic freak actually does pull it off without needing a man to carry him, fuck, welcome aboard.
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>>28079070
You and I both know that won't happen. We have it too ingrained in our culture and psyche as humans that women are the weaker sex, that they need help and protection. Science does back that up to some extent. It'd be great if we could just toughen up and say "This is how it's going to be. If you can't complete the same requirements as the men then we don't want you because you'll be a liability." It's not going to happen today or tomorrow.
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>>28079070
This
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>women often found themselves in combat in Iraq and Afghanistan over the past 14 years.

ohohohoho
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>>28078266
Simply ebin XDDD :^)
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>>28078559
Of the SJWs want gender equality and believe women have the same physical capabilities as men, let's throw those shit standard and give the female standards that of males. Let's give them a taste of true equality
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>>28077324
>the military should operate under a common set of standards.
That already isn't the case really. Carter should go spend a month in a Marine company and then a month in a Air Force office job.
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>>28079233
>The world works on the premise of specialization
>So let's abandon that in favor of an objectively worse alternative
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>>28079257
that looks like a sci-fi movie
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>I see no problem with this as long as women meet the same physical standard!

What are the chances of this actually happening?
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>>28079258
But muh feelings...
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Sergeant Hester's squad of two women and eight men in three Humvees were shadowing a 30-truck supply convoy when approximately 50 insurgent fighters ambushed the convoy with AK-47 and RPK machine gun fire, and with rocket propelled grenades (RPG). The squad moved to the side of the road, flanking the insurgents and cutting off their escape route. Sergeant Hester maneuvered her team through the kill zone and into a flanking position, where she and her squad leader, Staff Sergeant Timothy F. Nein, assaulted a trench line with hand grenades and M203 grenade launcher rounds. Hester and Nein assaulted and cleared two trenches. During the 25-minute firefight, Hester killed 3 insurgents.

When the battle was over, 27 insurgents were dead, six were wounded, and one captured. Sergeants Hester and Nein were both awarded the Silver Star. Nein's was later upgraded to the Distinguished Service Cross.

Also awarded the Silver Star in this ambush was platoon combat medic Specialist Jason Mike, who took up and simultaneously fired an M4 carbine and M249 SAW light machine gun in defense of his comrades.
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>>28079307
>who took up and simultaneously fired an M4 carbine and M249 SAW
Dual-wield works mother fuckers.
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>G.I. go home!
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>hey anon I brought some ammo for the assault on the gun grabbers! Where do you want me for the firefight? I can lay down cover fire or spot for you.
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>>28079357
>Rambo, you're not expendable
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>Hi anon mind if I take point on the patrol? After we setup an LP/OP maybe we can share the same foxhole together and get each others back ʕ·͡ᴥ·ʔ
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ʕ·͡ᴥ·ʔ FIND A FLAW ʕ·͡ᴥ·ʔ
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>Hey anon want to go indawoods with me?
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>>28078296
Good post.
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OPERATE HER
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>>28079284

Zero, that's why it doesn't happen in any military that didn't already lower the men's standard

If women were capable of doing it they would have already, instead they have to be forced through
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>>28079428
That's great, you should start posting all the pictures of child soldiers too
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>'skeet'
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>2 years until ETS

Jesus Fuck.
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>>28077324

No big deal. Let them put women in the front lines. Let them get wiped out by some Russians or Chinese and all this progressivism will reverse right quick
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>>28079535
What's the over under on a woman infantry getting raped in the showers while deployed?
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>>28079284
It's already not happened. Remember those two female that made it through Ranger school? They were tested softer than the men out of fear of political backlash after all the other women dropped.
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>>28079454

>Faggot detected, fire up the DShK
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>Get in AnonKun!
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>>28079217
So proud, so strong!
Thank you for your service!
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>>28078312

Lol stop talking out your ass. And stay in your lane. I spent 2 years Iraq as a 0311 grunt. And 6 months in Afghanistan.

Females being in convoy security and civilian contact teams is hardly fighting your way house to house.


Nor is it carrying a sustainment load + fighting load while humping the Hindu Kush up and down mountians chasing Taliban Hillfighter.

The most bad ass rate female will suffer terrible Muscle and skeletal injuries from prolonged carrying heavy loads with their lighter weaker bones. And lastly and most importantly it will destroy the cohesion of all male infantry platoons which operate like a modern day Gladiator school. People who work in offices like to pretend they know what the fuck they are talking about when it comes to gender integration of combat arms. Next time you have to shit in the MRE bag you just finished eating from and carry your wounded 220 pound squad leader 1000 meters under fire to a waiting track then come talk to me.

Mixed units are a leadership nightmare. Everyone is fucking each other and it is still 3 to 1 or more make to female. I pitty pogue NCOs.

The poor bloody infantry has one mission. That is to close with and destroy the event by fire and maneuver. It sure as fuck isn't to serve as a gender intergration lab for sjw fucks.good men will die because of this and it isn't necessary.
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All right, listen up. You people will not die on me in combat. You fucking new guys will do everything you can to prove me wrong. You'll walk on trails, kick cans, sleep on guard, smoke dope and diddely-bop through the bush like you were back on the block. Or on guard at night you'll write letters, play with your organ, and think of your girl back home. Forget her. Right now, some hair head has her on her back and is telling her to fuck for peace. This is Han. Those of you who are foolish will think of him as 'gook,' 'slope,' 'slant' or 'dink.' He is your enemy. He came over on the Chieu Hoi programme, and after he fattens himself on C-rations he will be hunting your young asses in the Ashau Valley. Now forget about this Viet Cong shit. What you'll encounter out there is hard core NVA, North Vietnamese. Highly motivated, highly trained and well equipped. If you meet Han or his cousins, you will give him respect and refer to those little bastards as 'Nathanial Victor.' Meet him twice, and survive, and you will refer to him as 'MISTER Nathanial Victor.' Now people, I am sick and tired of filling body bags with your dumb fucking mistakes.
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Han is closing in on your position. It's night... Look at me! I'm gonna save your life and your gonna save mine. It's night, it's raining. While your thinking about peace, love and whether or not we should be in Vietnam, Han is going to cut your fucking throat. And your sleeping. You've been humping the boonies for months. It's your turn to sleep, you're allowed to sleep. What do you think Han is going to do? Is he going to wake you up, Alphabet? And smile? And talk about women? Mister Nathanial Victor gets his rocks off watching you die. Some of you think you have problems because you're against the war. You demonstrated in school... you wear peace symbols on your steel, and you have attitudes. I'm orphan, my brother's queer, the city of Chicago got the clap from my sister, Mom drinks, Dad coughs blood, I have ringworm, imersion foot, the incurable crud and the draft ruined my chances of being a brain surgeon. People, you are in Vietnam. You have no problems. Except me.

And Han.
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I'm fine with it on a case by case basis. After all, I'd rather have the right chick watching my back than the wrong dude. There are some pretty stone cold chicas out there after all.
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>>28079357
>>28079388
>Comparing peasant farmers with American sows
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>>28079738
check out this faggot
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>>28078905
What about option 4, segregated combat units so the myriad problems they'd cause for men are averted and they can tailor their load to be more manageable for a woman.
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>>28079753

I think those fucking peasant farmers were some pretty hard tough mother fucking fighters. I have a lot of respect for them. You do not have to support a a nations political ideologies to respect it's soldiers and warriors. I seem to recall some colonist peasant farmers kicking the SPEC OPS BritBongs asses.

I dread the day when our military turns around to look at what they are protecting and defending and decide to walk away, fed up and done with the degeneracy and liberalism.

Sometime soon the 9/11 support the troops yellow ribbons will get set on fire and trampled into the dirty and the FEEL THE BERN socialists will start to throw the dog shit at the baby killers once again.
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>>28077324
Doesn't this mean women can join the military, get pregnant and then get all the benefits of it without any work?
Not sure how this stuff works for women.
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Don't most women get pregnant before deployment anyway?
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>>28079994
>women in the military
>gaming the system
never
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A lot of you in this thread do not understand that our government uppers are complete traitors to this nation. This idiotic decision was not about inclusiveness or equality; it's solely to destroy our military. I'm going to stop my pol level rant, but there is some serious sabotage going on against the USA by our "leaders".
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>>28080145
>solely to destroy our military

How does this benefit the upper echelons of american society exactly?
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>>28079070
>simply do something that won't happen
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>>28079573
How did they see our planes?
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>>28080069
Something like 40-50% either say they are or are about to be.
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>>28080176
They rule in socialized hell. That's the Cloward-Piven strategy, that's the Alinsky strategy, and so far, it's working. No tin foil hate required; they've always been quite open about this. Google Rules For Radicals to know more. And do bear in mind both Chocolate Nixon and Shrillary are Alinsky-trained activists.
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>>28080176
Why regulate guns?
Why make the military worse off?
My guess would be: To cause a state of emergency and vie for a dictatorship.
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>>28080176
The military is the most powerful barrier to their takeover. Soldiers swore an oath to uphold the Constitution not the politicians. The traitors recognize this and are out to destroy it along. It's also why they're out to silence opponents, destroy the 2nd and 4th amendments.
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>>28079815

Segregated units would help a little bit, but would invariably lead to male units having to handle all the real war (with fewer resources) and female units doing parade formations in the safe corner of the map.

Also somebody would call the segregation evil sexism that must not stand, just because.
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>>28080270
What if... We tried to make the military as efficient and effective as possible?
I mean its only American values and the life of every American that are at stake...
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>>28080342
Maybe you didn't hear that trannies are next in the inclusivity line. Next to giving suicidal doped up people who chopped their own junk off access to heavy weapons, giving them to normal healthy *women* is pretty small beer.
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>>28080342
It has never been that way, and it will only continue getting worse.

Ideology trumps reality, especially in Democracy.
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>>28080357
Now what is your problem with trans people in the military? They tend to join anyway, would you rather them be suicidal while hiding it? Or be treated for it properly and have vastly improved mental health.
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>>28080523
I respectfully submit that any guy who has himself surgically mutilated, cons his boyfriend into doing the same, and keeps said boyfriends balls IN A FUCKING JAR is not necessarily an unbiased observer.

I won't go into the various considerations of logistics, group morale, the hypocrisy of bouncing somebody who took a but let the crazies who cut off their junk in, etc.
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>>28080523
I like my squad mates to be healthy mentally, and I've never met a Trans person who isn't a complete nutjob
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>>28080567
>>28080569
Case in point
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>>28080567
>took a
Toke. Took a toke. We'll disbar anyone with THC in their system or any depressive who is okay (?) while medicated, but let in people who want to sexually mutilate themselves surgically who need constant special treatment lest they flip their shit.

I'm sorry, I know it's happening anyway and the bobblehead media will happily gloss over the mass desertions from the officer corps who are fed the fuck up with their career being social engineered to death, but there are certain kinds of shit I won't eat. Sorry. Not even for a /k/ommando.
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>>28080523
I'm surprised you would want transsexuals in the military. The most famous example we have of one, Manning, was a mentally unstable traitor; furthermore, unlike previous proscribed groups like Blacks or Japanese who belonged to segregated units that were some of the most decorated in U.S. military history, it's not as though there is an argument to be made for utility in favor of transsexual soldiers.

Putting aside the obvious damage it would do to unit cohesion, has there been even a single transsexual who has earned a Distinguished Service Cross or equivalent/better decoration?
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>>28077927
They could be admitted to those groups because of muh equality but the govt would just create new "secret" big boy clubs to do their door kicking and hvt kidnapping.
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>>28080567
She was trans since before i met her. She had talked about getting an orchiectomy before we even met in person. I didn't "con" her into getting them removed. When she had the surgery, they put them in jars and let her keep them. I really don't fuck with her balls.

But yes, true. I have a trans gf and I am not unbiased on that subject.

>>28080612
Manning was a piece of shit and is not a good example of trans in the military. I know a few, and they are some of the most hard working, dedicated individuals i have ever seen.
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>>28080698
>I really don't fuck with her balls.
>her balls
>her
>balls
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>>28080612
Bronze Star with Combat Distinguishing Device, Purple Heart, 2x Defense Meritorious Service Medal
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>>28080698
>"con her into getting them removed"
>her
>them removed
>balls
>her

>her
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>>28079307

Niiiiice.
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>>28080612
>it's not as though there is an argument to be made for utility in favor of transsexual soldiers
Boy do I have bad news for you.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-us-army-is-retreating-from-its-prohibitive-policies-on-transgender-soldiers
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>>28079257
>empty mag pouches
>one womyn doesn't even have mag pouches
these cunts are there to talk to the village women and that's it.
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>>28080750

I would breach her butthole with my shaped charge cock.
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>>28080750
i'd hit it
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>>28080750
>went into service to "fix" dysphoria
>left service and became a tranny
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I have no idea how this will turn out.

But to those women who intend to join, I wish them luck. And I ask them to prove wrong those in this thread that say they will amount to nothing but a hindrance.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJCTi9LakuU
yeah theres vidya in the background but I respect this guys opinion, he was a sniper in the marines and went through MARSOC indoc
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>>28078530
>>28078530
most states allow you to change your legal status, they could simply check your ID
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>>28080879
>And I ask them to prove wrong those in this thread that say they will amount to nothing but a hindrance.
>please become wizards and magically change reality because muh feels.
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>>28080821
Yeah, I heard about this. I would have less of a problem with it if, regardless of what the actual policy said, the military exercised it with extreme discretion and only allowed in transsexuals who were low-key and had no potential to cause disruption, but the reality of how it will likely play out is that it will be opening the floodgates to every narcissistic and incapable Bradley Manning-type out there.

>>28080750
Not a Distinguished Service Cross, but decent decorations nevertheless. My question is whether this guy turned into a woman during or after his service. Do you know?
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>>28080750
Must be Army.
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>>28077324
fucking stupid

anyone who supports this is a fucking idiot

RIP American military
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>>28080821
>>28080612
I thought MtF trannies were part of the selective service and the draft anyhow
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>>28080879
Let's shoot you and leave you in a screaming heap and select any random woman in good physical shape to drag you to safety while both you and she are wearing rucks and body armor and receiving fire.

Better yet, let's shoot *her* and see how well you function under fire while listening to a woman scream. We are biologically geared to flip our shit at that point. Which, when you are taking fire, is not good.
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>>28080821
>requires hormone therapy and special medical care
>belongs anywhere in the military

only one
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>>28078572
that sent me into an autistic rage when i saw that
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>>28080942

Seriously unethical, but sure. Any women around here want to get shot for me? Any volunteers?
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>>28080915
they still could check your penis status fucking FAGGOT
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>>28080567
is ivy actually trans tho? I mean, i have seen enough of the shit she or he has posted to confirm they are a securityforcesfag, but i can't imagine security forces being friendly to a tranny in their midst. I was one of them for a while and they are like an island in the sea of PC bullshit that is the air force.

Has anyone actually seen what ivy looks like? Or the boyfriend, for that matter?
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>>28078050
>Implying that the people who are pushing this agenda want America to win.

If you are trying to bring a nation down corrupt it's education system, social structures, and military.
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Guys what if this is a ploy to make the combat forces stronger?

Like, if women start making it into the infrantry without any help it will be a huge flag saying the training is too easy. What if training starts getting incrementally harder over time until girls stop making it in?
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>>28080927
>My question is whether this guy turned into a woman during or after his service. Do you know?
Transitioned after leaving the Navy in 2011.

>>28080932
>implying Army could write a tell-all memoir like this
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>>28080963
that wouldnt be "tolerant" you porchmonkey
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>>28080889

This fucker never even deployed. He claims "his supervisors prevented them from taking any pictures of any deployments".

What a lying sack of shit.

Never saw any combat, never fought, stayed back stateside like a bitch.

INTO THE TRASH HE GOES.
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>>28077324

if a 5 foot 94 pound woman can carry a 6 foot 5, 230 pound man with his gear, ill be amazed.

hell, if a woman can carry a 240 with all the ammunition etc ill be amazed.

women will be a burden in combat
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>>28080966
Ivy is trans as well, but they are still on record as 'still liking guys.'

The only picture we've ever seen is the jar with the balls in it, which I didn't save because I had no desire to ever see it again.
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>>28080958

No one? Come on, ladies, it's for SCIENCE!
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>>28077324

Don't they DARE drop the standards an inch for a glorified PR stunt. I want these women to be as ever bit as tough as the men, carrying the same loads of weight on their backs, with the same expectations of conduct. If they can nail that down, then said women are 100% qualified to do what they do.

Equality, /real/ equality or bust.
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>>28080993
>Ivy confirmed trap

Shit now i am wondering what they look like, for um, no reason really
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>>28081023

Damn right.

If they're good enough to do the job, excellent. If they can't, too bad. Combat isn't a game.

Seems fair to me.
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>>28081023
That ship has sailed and you know it.
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>>28077324
Oh boy I can't wait to see how all these strong womyn complain about how the modern battlefield is sexist or unfair, and the resulting shitstorm + damage control
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>>28081027
I am too tall ;-;

>>28081023
Agreed. i do believe they should allow women into combat jobs, as long as they maintain the same high standards they have for the men. There will be very few females for that reason, but that's fine.
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>>28079638
>this is why you are in the infantry

Protip: greentext usually implies sarcasm or mocking of the text posted
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Should we get rid of all manlets under 6' from serving as well?
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>tfw people are going to die unnecessarily for this
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>>28081132
Most men can be forged into soldiers. Most women cannot.
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>>28081138
Well at least it's consistent with most other military policies in that regard
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>>28081132
Those manlets can still get strong enough to carry another soldier.
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>>28077324
>Defense Secretary Ashton B. Carter
This is probably the most emotive United States Defense Secretary I've ever seen. More to follow.
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>>28081161
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>>28081175
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>>28081144
>most women

But not all women. Don't you think the physically exceptional females should be allowed to serve in that capacity?

Anyway, just think about it.

The top performers selected from the most physically able women will be in a unit with the most able men.

That means a high chance for super athlete operator babies
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>>28081193
Men and women mixing erodes discipline, you can slice it anyway you want, but that's the real world works.
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>>28081213
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>>28081144
>Most men can be forged into soldiers. Most women cannot.
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>>28081228
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>>28081243
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>>28081205
But not mixing normal guys with guys who want to fuck them up the ass or chop their junk off, I assume. We can be sexist but not homophobic. Or is it the other way around? Or does it vary according to which politician is trying to appeal to any given target audience....?

I am confuse.
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>>28081264
I wonder if he has guns at the house.
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>>28081233

Reminds me of the story of how Sun Tzu got some palace concubines to do military drill.
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>>28081233
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>>28081277
Oh come on. There really hasn't been any problems with gays in the military. They have been getting along with everyone just fine. To be complerely honest, the straight ones act waaaayyyy gayer than the actual gay ones.
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>>28081193
>Don't you think the physically exceptional females should be allowed to serve in that capacity?
No. Their body degrades much more dramatically than men, unless you lower their burden at the expense of men.
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>>28081277
Gays cause a problem as well, I'm not denying that, but it's limited because the sexual tension won't go both ways in most cases. Trannies obviously can't serve because they're mentally unwell.
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>>28081233
>Kurds are "most women"
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>>28081193
Also, the most able women would only ever be on par with lackluster men from a conscript army. I know you're a mentally deranged freak so you probably won't get it, but this way you can't say you weren't told.
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Even the POGest MOS is still male dominated. Very few females will even want to join the infantry. The ones that do are going to be less girl power "we can do it" and more pic related.
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>>28079194
SHUT UP YOU MISOGYNIST!
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>>28081319

First stfu, what do you know about the straight ones faggot.

second gays are another forced pentagon action, the politicians should stay out of military affairs in general (commander in chief excluded as he is the top honcho).

Have you seen this feminazi shit!

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-pentagon-women-combat-20151203-story.html

>"military combat may be the last totem of male superiority to topple"
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>>28077782
>>28078973
quotas
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>>28078266
Faggot.
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I support giving people in wheelchairs rifles and tossing them a uniform if they want to serve their country and fight.

I would be fucking proud to fight with anyone who volunteers to deploy and fight and can pull a trigger. If I were Leonidas I would give Ephialtes some spears and say "Hang out in back and toss these at the enemy for us little buddy!"

I can tell you that 90% plus of the men I served with did everything they could to get out of deployments, and then once deployed did everything to get out of missions.

They were only there for a job, or for school, or because they had no where else to go.

They cared very little about guns, tactics, learning, training. They had no love for the military, only what they could get out of it.

So yeah, if the women are volunteering to go into combat? Please let them come.

It can not possibly be any worse than the majority of the military that we have who are dead weight.
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Oh, quit fucking whining. Canada's had this policy for two fucking decades and their infantry are still just fine (and 98% male, I might add).
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>>28078444
ABD IVE ONLY GOT 3 YEARS AND 4 MONTHS LEFT SEMPER FUCKING FI
fuck me
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>>28081405

Thank you. Nice to hear some sense.
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Dead fucking weight.
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>>28081429

>Canada
>Military
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>>28081435
*and fuck I'm dumb
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>>28077324
HOLY SHIT, FUCKING WHY?!?!?!?!?!
Does the SecDef just want to kuk the US military to death? I mean, if they can fit the male standards for serving, I don't really care. But no, their standards will be less than half of what the standards are for men. Either the PT standards I have to meet are the standard, or they're not. Women don't get 50% less incoming fire in a firefight. They don't have to carry 50% less injured squadmate. I've only met one fucking female that could come close to the Male standard and I beat her in runs and situps and I'm completely average
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>>28081429

/k/ is full of whining hypocrites. Nothing new, really.
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>>28081435
fucking boot....
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>>28081435

Err'ahh, semper fi

REENLIST!
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>>28081405
>who are dead weight.
And that's exactly what women will be trying to keep up with male standards.
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>>28081405
So what happens when the soldiers see their brethren going trans and turning into much prettier girls than the fat beasts they are married to?
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>>28077853
It costs somewhere in the neighborhood of $120,000 dollars to train a soldier, whether they make it or not. And that's just basic training. You could save money by just not letting them in. 3/4 people who dropped out in my battery during basic were females. That's like a million dollars wasted
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>>28079217
double action breast feeding?!

you're pretty good
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>>28077958
>3 pushups and a 100 meter run in 20 minutes
It's only funny because in reality that's really close to their standards already. 13 pushups and 19 minute 2 mile run
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>>28081467
Prepare my anus lancecooly
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http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pentagon-nbc-news-all-combat-roles-now-open-women-n473581

At least NBC wasn't bs'ing around about equality and showed the hard facts of the MC's report on females in combat.
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>>28077324
>implying women will gravitate towards these roles without policymakers dangling carrots to create a false sense of equality
>except the latter will inevitably happen
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>>28078266
Fucking fag
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>>28079333
>>28079357
>>28079388
>>28079405
>>28079412
>>28079428
>>28079573
>>28079592
>>28079902
>>28080982
>>28081233

there is a difference between having a military that is desperate for personnel and a military, like that of the US, which has more volunteers than it needs
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>>28081551

This guy gets it.
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>>28079039
That would imply that the highest levels of the US military are not willingly acquiescing the policymaker demands. The case seems to be that the higher ups are in line with policymakers on this subject
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>>28078386
Being shelled isn't even enough to get a CAB. You need to be engaged by the enemy and engage them back.
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>>28079357
>I'd like a combat jack if isn't too much trouble
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Maybe we need to look at what we have currently before we start worrying about those who are fighting to get into combat roles.
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>>28078853
Underrated post
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Because we could probably drop some of these worthless piles of shit and replace them with gung ho soldiers who are itching to get into the fight.
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>>28081233
You want militia? Sure.
You want operational professional military force that deploy at a moments notice and do back to back missions on a vomit inducing pace for weeks on end? I'm not so sure about that.
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>>28081644

Bro do you even operate?
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>>28080224
Phil, you so crazy.

Please tell us more of your 'wisdom'.
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>>28080698
Daily reminder that you and your "girlfriend" are both monsters and should have been culled from the general population when you admitted that you have a severe mental illness and wish to mutilate your genitals
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>>28080953
Is it really that offensive that the white guy is standing slightly behind the front row?
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>>28080224
Go stuff a dildo up your ass and fap to some Poju, Phil
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>>28080991
>I can't carry the 240, anon, gimme your SAW please? :)
Every fucking female had to carry a 240 in our platoon because someone made a joke about it. It was fucking hell hearing them bitch for 10 miles
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Daily reminder that currently 10% of the entire U.S. military is unable to deploy and is combat ineffective.
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do you have to be that strong to shoot a gun?
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>>28081193
I'm completely average in PT, and I still destroy the most high-speed PT stud female in my company. The best PT in the batallion is about equal with me, and the best in the brigage is about 5% better than me. Show me this huge group of females who can do the job effectively and I'll be happy to have them. Until then, fuck off with this PR bullshit
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>>28078296
>Fish here.
i thought this was some kind of asian slur until i got over halfway through your post
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>>28081834

I'll refer you to >>28079638
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>>28079638
The only answer now is to get out. If your family or kids ever think about going in, steer them away from combat arms. Take your GI bill and run.
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>>28081838
Nowhere did he say "huge group." Why does it need to be a large number?
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>>28081723
There is no fucking way that's real. I had to get out for my leg getting fucked by a ied (I can still run and ruck) but this asshole gets to keep fighting?
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>>28081723

Fun fact: This female marine gets a 90 on her "Female" PT Test.
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>>28081870
Because to get that small number, you have to turn away a lot of failures, who cost money to train. $120,000 per soldier, and when you have to turn away 3/4 soldiers because they can't meet the standards, and they all have one thing in common, they probably shouldn't let that group in.
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>>28081296
Sun Tsu knew how shit worked.

Armies aren't built entirely out of this hoo-rahh 6'6" g.i.joe bullsiht that everyone seems to use as the reason for why women soldiers can't possibly work. Armies work on discipline. It's something the American military could use more of.

So how did Sun Tzu turn a bunch of professional royal whores into an army? He started cutting their fucking heads off until they obeyed orders! Discipline.
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An OHG-92 lands next to you and fragments into your leg.

You turn around and see these two people.

Which one do you ask to pick you up and take you to the medic?
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>>28077324
I don't get why everyone is so butthurt...simply tell your sons that serving with females in the infantry is unacceptably risky, then form a fraternal militant order funded, armed and trained through private means. Then, when the Pentagon inevitably comes to the conclusion that a private contractor is more cost-effective than their now all-female army, you'll become a state-funded Diamond Dogs. Problem solved in one generation.

You niggas need to learn to see every crisis as an opportunity.
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>>28080942
>We are biologically geared to flip our shit at that point. Which, when you are taking fire, is not good.
Shut your mouth Phil, you fucking feminist!

Most men aren't complete fucking children who fall apart every time their instincts kick in a little. And to expect that professional soldiers, from a disciplined fighting force would do so is even more insulting to every male everywhere.

>inb4 the Isrealis...
The Isrealis are a shitty conscript army that can't even beat a bunch of half-starved arabs without destroying entire buildings at a time.
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>>28081926
I've still got one good leg.
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>>28077367
>67
Dodged a fucking bullet there. Dubs/quads etc confirm grillz will never opr8
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>>28081914

More discipline, yes.too many pork chops arn't feeling the grind and continue on their merry way.

But I doubt most whores make for great combatants.
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On your left you see America's first lady Michelle Obama offer to throw you onto her back and run you to safety.

Which hand do you take?
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>>28079307
Why is that female wearing soft shoes?
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>>28081980

"I choose you Mr President!"

*We go get a drink at the local pub as the Grads position is bombed back to the fucking stone age by 1000 tons of high explosive laser guided 'murican airpower.*

*Michelle lectures the dead ISIS corpses on the wonders of nutrition*
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>>28079307

Why does google not bring up ant of this?
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>>28079412
>Dat nugget
>Dat booty
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>>28081980
>Which hand do you take?
Have you seen Obama lately? He's looking pretty rough. The way being President sucks the life out of someone, you'd think the 2-term limit was to protect them, and not the country.
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>>28082026

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leigh_Ann_Hester

not bad actually.
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>>28080145
I will never look at loli the same again...
Fuck you for that.
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>>28080523
^^Get a load of this nigger.
>Improved mental health.
>In the motherfucking military.

Top fucking kek.
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>>28081293
kek
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>>28081888
the only fighting that nigga was doin was fighting for air in his sleep
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>>28080932
Navy, you faggot. Read the goddamn filename. Or, you know, leave your fucking basement every now and then.
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>>28082129
>>28080932
Or for that matter, LOOK AT THE GOD DAMN UNIFORM!!!!!
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>>28081023
It's already too late. They need batted ranger school for some diversity cunt LT's a few months ago. Directly on orders from the white house.
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>>28082200
Fucking phone changed nerf to need.
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It really sucks all the land is claimed on this earth, this country is going to shit with these liberal fucks.
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>>28081132
A 135# man can do everything a soldier needs to do. A 135# female cannot.
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>>28082022
Alcohol is haram, familio
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>>28078848
I did a google image search of "SSTO pump" because I have no idea what that is and wanted to see what this task was that every man succeeded at but almost no women did... all I got were pictures of rocket ships.
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>>28077324
Does this mean there will be females in Arma 4?
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>>28082259
Ain't PROGRESS grand?
When people die due to this liberal insanity, including the women themselves, we'll blame some meaningless unrelated thing, maybe climate change.
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>>28078254
Who gives a fuck what it implies, fact is the military is an age old system, with a proven track record. This decision will cost young men lives.
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>>28081603
You do know what the story behind that picture is right?

Because it's depressing.
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>>28081510
I've gained sixty pounds in the decade I've been out and I can still CRUSH the female or test and can only barely pass the male test.
T. B. H. I would fail the run. Can still do my age bracket pushups and situps though.
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>>28082081
>>28081888
>>28081723
>First deployment
>Buddies die
>Get home
>Become obese by drowning depression in food and beer
>Get called on another deployment
That's that guy's story. Now don't you feel like shit?
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>>28081895

>Stolen squalor

Why doesn't that bitch have a name tag?
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>>28081405
Women can't perform at the same level.
Plain and simple. If I'm incapacitated, dying on the side of a road taking machine gun fire, you think Jessica Sanchez will be able to drag my 350lb loaded self to evac, let alone a ditch? I know this concept is hard to digest.

>Complains about useless pussies in the military(you didn't specify where/when you deployed, so i can't say infantry) while simultaneously defends adding more useless pussies quoting "what could go wrong"
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>>28078382
>MFW you post an Aie-Aie.
>MFW it's so good they named it twice.
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>>28081277
Someone got touched in the hotel room the night before MEPS.
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>>28082390
99% of them don't have the mental ability to handle it either

But the issue of women in the military has less to do with combat, more about the general dysfunction & resentment caused in the entire military by em.
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>>28077958
>>28081510
U W0T M8?

Holy shit, I'm fucking fat and can do that.
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>>28082390
As long as women are tested by the same physical standards as men there's no issue, right?
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>>28078905
>Hell, it's 2015, you could probably take every man and put him in a coma and just wake him up for sex, world would be fine.

The only problem with this is that the entirety of our infrastructure is built and maintained by men. Every brick, every mile of asphalt was likely laid by a man. All the electrical lines, every one of the sewers and water mains were put in place and maintained by men. The number of women in construction makes the number of women in the military look huge by comparison.

We've already diverted tons of cash away from maintaining our infrastructure for bullshit programs. Pull men out of society, and the whole fucking thing would start to crumble. Civilisation would fall apart within months as water stopped running, electricity stopped flowing and the internet died along with the telecommunications network that supports it.

Which would be the end of Feminism and the Social Justice...

Never mind. This is an excellent plan. Carry on.
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>>28078382
Then what are they complaining about?
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>>28082362
Not at all, fatass. I guess when he took the TAPAS his question was like

Would I rather:

A. Watch a friend die

B. Commit suicide by eating mcdonalds

C. Both A and B
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>>28081493
the way she twists her elbow is more of a single child technique, though.
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>>28081926
>>28081405
Was that bitch dying or some shit like that? Why would that dude marry that thing? I have seen some dependopottami in my time but damn that's fugly.

That goofy bastard could be elbow deep in some Filipino pussy right now. Third world broads don't care about looks. But no, he had to go and marry the ugliest landwhale in Alabama.
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>>28082425
That's only 1 issue tho

As other anons mentioned, cohesion and efficiency goes to hell

You are making a really complicated issue seem simple by just saying 'its just a matter of x and x' which is ignorant.
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>>28077324
>>Open up all combat roles to women
>>All combat roles to women
>>Combat roles
>>Wimminz

Kek
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>>28081980
Allegedly, Michelle has the bigger dick, so...
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>>28082437
Any job that involves actually doing shit, will always involve physical work
Which means no women.

You look at these women, even in big companies
Vast majority of them are in more or less makework positions.

Imagine the literally TRILLIONS of dollars we would save, if we eradicated this progressive fetish.
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>>28079257
'Lets go hand out chocolate bars'

'Hold on jessica, put on your shemagh and oakleys, we SOF now'

'Yea bitch'
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>>28079780
Yeah we wouldn't want a women stroking our cocks would we.

Personally I dont give a fuck either way, war these days are won as much be handingnof guns and cash to the right brown people as with bewts-on-dah-ground.

I swear every time we get involved one of these cluster fucks we do it just to prove that our infantry is better trained than Russia's.
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>>28082487
How do those whacky Israelis handle it?

Also while I the Arabs and Palestinians can be shits, they certainly aren't helping. It's also true that they didn't HAVE to move to Palestine.
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>>28082437
Reminds me of the Mad Max movie.

>town run by fat, white men
>replete with water, industry, food, government, religion, laws, and achievement-based hierarchy in which men and women can excel -- civilization.

>town run by stronk, independent womyn
>SOMEONE'S POISONED THE WATER HOLE!
>Guess we'd better take up highway banditry until our numbers dwindle to zero 'cause none of us know how to make a basic pump or carbon filter

and you faggots were telling me how SJW it was.
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>>28082340

Yeah I know the story.

http://www.pizzahut.com/ourstory.html
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>>28082362
i dont feel bad for welfare queens ever
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>>28082524
those whacky israelis have segregated units and dont have to foot the bill as the greastest goy nations pay for their military
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>>28082641
Nor have they fought a war since they started really integrating stuff
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My wife is a black woman, ostensibly one of the most oppressed demographics in our society. When we started talking about it, she came out as opposed to women in combat roles. Her initial reaction to this topic was "Who the fuck asked for this?" followed by "I believe in fairness, not equality, because equal don't make no kind of god damn sense."
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>Soviets use female conscripts
>Vietnamese women fight with VC forces
>Israeli women required to serve
Seemed to work pretty well...

Here's the thing; Putting feelings above the calculated truths of combat is a stupid idea. In fact, it may be one of the worst ideas ever. That being said, to bash ALL female soldiers is simply stupid. To say that ONLY female soldiers will turn tail at the first sign that things are getting real, and to suggest that ALL female soldiers would be cowards is simply ignorant. Will some of these GI-SJWs cry for mercy when the artillery starts falling? Of course. But you can be sure that those who stay will be among your finest fighters.

Now, the obvious issue here is the relaxation of standards. As >>28078141 so eloquently put it, once your pony is all prettied up, you may stop caring about how fast it can run as long as it looks good in the act. It seems clear that anyone who can make the grade should be allowed to defend their country. However, the individual must always meet the standard; The standard can never be brought to the individual.

This is the silver medal.
This is your runner-up prize.

>THIS
>IS
>FAILURE
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>>28082683
your wife suffers from severe retardation
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>>28082684
Giving local women guns and using them in defensive roles is different than sending them over to another country where they don't need to be.
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>>28082524
How is that even related to the discussion, we are talking about integration not segregation.

All women squads? Hahahaha

>>28079307

Exceptions don't make rules.

"Three members of Hester's team were shot and wounded. Dozens of insurgents were firing on them. Hester's squad leader, Staff Sgt. Timothy Nein, GRABBED HER AND TOLD HER TO FOLLOW HIM. They ran toward the insurgents' trench line, took up position and started firing."

Your story is a little misleading. She is an admirable soldier and an exemplary fighter, and fulfilled her role as MP to the highest order. But she is not infantry, nor combat-ready, and is absolutely an exception concerning integrity morality and ability.
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>>28082700
>sending them over to another country where they don't need to be

but the men do need to be there?
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>>28082744
Someone does, if you're planning on winning the war.
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>>28077324
The Marines are still the only ones in the armed forces with a shred of intelligence.
>Combat effectiveness is the utmost and only concern when considering recruits.
>Men are just far better at fucking killing people, simple as that.
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>>28082265

Probably not. There aren't even female CIVs in 3. And it's not like women in combat doesn't happen, especially as bystanders or reserves. It's just that they're not as effective as men.

I'm still pissed at BI for that bullshit.
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ok

could literally not give less of a shit

branches will be so buttblasted that they will intentionally be super strict about meeting standards if not raise them in response to this

if women meet them, cool. the unit cohesion arguments were always bullshit, anyway. said the same thing about black people.
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>>28079307

Great example of someone who can meet standards and execute the mission.

Which is all I ask for.
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>actually its about ethics in combat
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its funny how women in military threads just drag the mysogony out of /k/. If a woman can reach the same standards as a man (and thats the big one) i don't see the problem, having worked with women that had their shit together a lot better than some of my male colleagues. Women should also have to have their heads shaved too, right along with the men, but that's just my opinion
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>>28082859

Unfortunately you and my ideal model of how things ought to work is far divorced from how reality works. A lot of /k/ agrees, they just don't know how to articulate both at once.
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>>28082719
whoa! wher'ed those goal posts go?!?
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Better invest in exosuits.
The military is going to be needing a lot of them.
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>>28082889
i think the hair cut is the big issue. every male that goes to boot camp is shaved bald so that their is a drastic reduction in 'identity.' For a women especially to want to strip away what's usually considered one of her most important aspects of beauty and identity, she has to genuinely really want to be there. in addition, uniform and unisex grooming standards and clothing i think would do a lot show that the woman are just as much a part of the force as the men are
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>>28081161
>>28081175
>>28081187
>>28081213
>>28081228
>>28081243
>>28081264
>>28081293
Why is a guy able to make drastic changes to a military that hes never served in
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>>28082859
50% higher casualty rates in mixed units. How is that not a problem? Huh, faggot? How is MORE DEAD SOLDIERS not a problem?
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>>28083067
and were the female standards of those units the same as the males?
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>>28082859
If they were subject to the same standards as men there wouldn't be a problem.
But a year or so after this goes into effect, when they haven't met whatever quota the Obama/Hillary administration deems necessary, they WILL lower the standards.
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>>28083100

It's Israel. I have dated an Israeli. They are pretty kickass... but not kickass enough.
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>>28078351
jessica lynch breh

>>28081491
thats not true at all mate. it's not like those drill sergeants wouldn't be there if there weren't any women. someone needs to train them. and its not like the army hadn't budgeted to pay drill sergeants to train soldiers; they were going to be at sill or jackson or wherever regardless.


and you cant tell me their gear "costs" 120k. per soldier, their gear and the cost of paying a couple of e-6 women to be there because they have to be there is nowhere close to 120k.


BREAK

Look, who gives a shit if a girl can actually do a job men have been doing since this country was founded. There will always be exceptions to the rule. You don't have to hit me with the studies that everyone has reposted over and over again about how women have less upper body strength, their hips are shitty for rucking/running blah blah blah. Everyone knows that.

What you faggots DONT seem to talk about, which leads me to believe few, if any, of you have served in the military in the past 10 years, is what a fucking cancer women are to the culture of the U.S. armed forces. Being in the army, you see what a fucking problem it is just having them around. I don't give a fuck if they can do their job.

They get special fucking treatment literally wherever they go. You have these fucking fatbody divorced E-6's all trying to get their fucking dicks wet and treating all women like little princesses, leading to a degradation of morale in an active duty unit. I wanted to fucking kill my squad leader and platoon sergeant when I was active. Half of my platoon felt the same way. They let shit slide, they walk all over the rules and regulations and when you correct them they cry about it to drill. That shit is a joke. And no one ever says anything about it for fear of them complaining to IG or whatever the fuck it is that women do.

List all the studies you want joe, no one is talking about the real problem
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>>28083124
and i concede i'd rather have male-only than the scenario you predict
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>>28083142
>What you faggots DONT seem to talk about, which leads me to believe few, if any, of you have served in the military in the past 10 years, is what a fucking cancer women are to the culture of the U.S. armed forces. Being in the army, you see what a fucking problem it is just having them around. I don't give a fuck if they can do their job.
>They get special fucking treatment literally wherever they go. You have these fucking fatbody divorced E-6's all trying to get their fucking dicks wet and treating all women like little princesses, leading to a degradation of morale in an active duty unit. I wanted to fucking kill my squad leader and platoon sergeant when I was active. Half of my platoon felt the same way. They let shit slide, they walk all over the rules and regulations and when you correct them they cry about it to drill. That shit is a joke. And no one ever says anything about it for fear of them complaining to IG or whatever the fuck it is that women do.

that's why this >>28082980
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>>28083179

not who you replied to but you're an idiot if you think shaving their heads will stop them from having a vagina
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>>28083228
and having worked with a lot of women, saying all women are dumb cunts is like saying all black people are niggers or all men are fratboys. believe me i can't stand the cunts either but their are ways of discouraging them
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>>28077324
If you're not serving in the armed forces, you don't get to bitch about the people that are and the standards they set. Don't like women in combat? Grab a rifle and enlist.

If you're in the armed forces, you follow the orders of your civilian leadership, and they say let women in combat. You get your fucking green book out, you think for a second, write for a second, and figure out how to enact the plan.
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>>28082794
Virgin kuk detected
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>>28082795
Don't be a homo, cuz I don't plan on sticking my dick in another man. If there are women in a unit that look damn fine after not seeing real women for 18 weeks, you bet ima swiggity swooty dat booty.
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>>28083298
>if you are not in the military you have no right to complain

>if you are in the military you have no right to complain
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>>28082918
wtf u talking about mane
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>>28083100
That wasn't the problem. The problem was that white knights take unnecessary risks when girls are involved.

Gunfire comes in and everybody hits the deck. Dude thinks to himself "Oh shit, they're shooting at the girls! I'd better [run to save them/ draw fire away from them] and gets himself killed rather than just saying "Oh shit, they're shooting at Steve. Hope he's alright by the time the drones bomb the shit out of these guys."

It had nothing to do with standards and everything to do with bad decisions made for the sake of unnecessarily protecting the females.
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>>28083430
then that sounds liek shitty training. just about every other facet of psychology tells us that when people are in life or death situation 'fight or flight' and even 'feed' kick in well before 'fuck' does
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>>28082683

MUP DA DOO DIDDA PO MO GUB BIDDA BE DAT TUM MUHFUGEN BIX NOOD COF BIN DUB HO MUHFUGGA
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>>28082719

She has more confirmed kills than you do you faget.

She probably gets more pussy than you do too.
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>>28082918
>>28082918
Up your ass
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>>28081723
Ex airborne with fucked up back from that and a failing thyroid iirc. 2 combat tours. He used to be a /k/ommando posting here a while back.
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>>28083600
Sorry for triggering you. Girl can shoot, she can move, but she ain't infantry. She got some good for her, you wanna give her a freakin' medal too? Even she says she doesn't deserve all this hype but you can get on that SJW dick and ride it to missouri and blow all them dindu's on your way to the capital so you can get pegged by hillary while gobbling up obama's taint stank
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>>28077324
If the women enlisting can get their femininity pounded away from training and become obedient, capable to carrying out orders to the letter, doesn't engage in conversation unless needed, i don't see a problem... Sure they are weaker than men, doesn't mean they cant fight in a war. Just don't put them in mixed platoons. Women are lighter, I'm sure a fit woman can carry another fit woman. The army can always come up with an excuse that says "it distracts the men" to shut the SJWs up.
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>>28082531
Geez, that comparison is a failure even for an anti-SJW faggot like you.

>Town
>ran by a dictator who wants to establish a fuedal lineage
>and uses slaves

>'town' run by women
>wasn't a town, was a tribe
>noone poisoned the water, it went bad because muh toxic wasteland
>guess we better take up highway banditry
>highway banditry
You must have missed the part where the War Boyz run Max down and take him prisoner... ya know, banditry.
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>>28082753
>if you're planning on winning the war
>wars always involve massive invasions
>you always need to conquer the enemy to 'win'
Americans have such a fucking retarded understanding of war.
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>>28084382
>fucking feminist
>calls someone else triggered
>while desperately trying to prove this gurl can't cut it

>come up with an excuse that says "it distracts the men"
So once again, the excuse against women in the military will come down to "men are fucking children who can't handle their shit", just like with the claim that we'll turn retarded and run out into enemy fire because we hear a wounded woman screaming for help?

This is what I was talking about before, with Sun Tsu and fucking DISCIPLINE. Discipline is the thing that keeps you from freaking out when bullets and bombs are going off near you, when your best friend has his face turned to mush. Professional western militaries have it in spades, even America who probably has the least disciplined army out of the entire West (still more than most of the world though). Those men

But we're supposed to believe these highly trained and motivated individuals are just going to forget everything and drop what they're doing for the first 'damsel in distress'? Because 'muh instincts' override everything they've learned, not to mention the entire reason our species evolved our brain so much.

Am I the only person who realizes just how fucking INSULTING this concept is to all men everywhere?
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ITT: fat obese begrudged shitlords that are too bootyblasted over the fact that there are women operating while they plink squirrels with their costco AR15s

top kek mate
top kek
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>>28085378
Hello tumblr, good to see you again
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>>28082684
>Volksturm used child soldiers
let's allow children into army too. It's been done before.
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>>28085038
Nice sideswipe there faggot.
I can't wait till you get killed because you were too busy defending our strong "female warriors" while they sit at medic with their 8th kid.
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>>28077324
>>28077324
Wait a minute...

>weapons and military equipment.

>Discussions about politics or current events belong on /pol/.

>girls given the right to die and possibly raped in sandniggerville

How is this weapons related and why is it pinned?
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Why the fuck is this an actually sticky?
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>>28085038
I second this.
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>>28078853
I for one welcome the grand opening of the Burning Pit of Money Eternal Flame on the National Mall
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>>28085492
Because active shootouts with police is /pol/, but women in male dominated professions is totally sticky worthy.

>Fucking slant eyed nip mod faggots
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Why don't you allow it and just use them as bait or human shield if necessary?
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>>28085492
>>28085489
Because if it involves women busting into a male job it's relevent because feels

>Now stop posting active shooter situations and gun control, current events belong on /pol/

>Responsible gun owners dont post about gun control, only /pol/ neo nazis
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What's the fuzz all about?

Women will still be incapable of passing certain tests for certain jobs.

Everything will be the same.
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>>28085532
Will it? Or will they lower standard because they were sexist?
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>>28082776

The Marines are being forced to bring females in as well, poolee
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>>28082776
I don't know why Marines love FMJ so much. Are they unable to realize the meaning and shit?
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Posting in muh epic totally weapon-related sticky.
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>>28081443
Can someone explain how that person would be able to stay in the military? You can only a fail a handful of PT tests before getting kicked out, right? So how did this happen?
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>>28077367
>female infantry start dying in droves
>media spins it as the military giving women inferior training
There is no upside. The only winning move was not to play, and the ball is already on the court.
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>>28082340
Share?
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>>28077324
As a tanker, I don't know what kind of female would want to be in such close proximity to 3 dudes in a hot, cramped, rank ass sweat box. I honestly forget why I want to be in that environment sometimes too...
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>>28077324
>Thread that would be considered /pol/ on /k/ is stickied by the mods even though it violates sticky no. 2 even though threads a day or two ago about a shooting (Which is terminology for firearms being used to harm) is not /k/ related and is instead /pol/

The fuck.
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Go fuck yourself kikemod.
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>>28078254
Who cares if it's insulting? Peoples lives are at stake. If you can't do the same as the soldier next to you, there's an issue.
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>>28085609
we only like it for the first half with the bootcamp scene. Based Gunny Ermey.
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>>28085677
But that's like, the whole crux of the movie. That's the part where Kubrick says "The Marines are bad and you should feel bad".
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>>28077854
Yep totally
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>>28081233
He said most you stupid faggot.
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We need to hit up all our senators to make them pass a law requiring women register for the draft.
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>>28081510
>13 pushups
>thirteen push ups
>THIR
>TEEN
>PUSH
>UPS

No fucking way. I refuse to believe this is actually the minimum standard.

I'm joining the Air Force, arguably the least physically intensive branch, and my absolute bare minimum to enter is 45. Jesus.
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>>28085681
Your not supposed to read that into it. the movie itself is a mediocre war film, that is in many ways unrealistic. the story behind R Lee Emery is that he was an advisor for the actor playing the Gunny/DI in the bootcamp scene but the actor wasn't picking up on the SNCO nuances and ancient mindfuckery mystics that Ermey had in his experience as an actual Gunny and DI. The reason why the initial boot camp scene is so beloved by Marines is because it is one of the only real impressions of boot camp in film; this was achieved by accident. In order to show the actor how to mindfuck some people DI style Ermey went on and preformed the scene without the actors playing the recruits knowing that he was going to replace the regular actor. Hence why they are all truly surprised. None of the lines where on script and Emery just did his DI thing, as it should be.
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>>28085731
Bruh, it's Kubrick. You're missing half the movie if you don't read into it.
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>>28085738
>Marines
>Reading into movies' inner statements

pick one, I just like it for Ermey.
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>>28085753
Hey, I ain't saying I don't love R. Lee Ermey, I was just saying the movie's statements doesn't seem like something that many Marines would enjoy. But maybe I'm expecting too much from Jarheads.
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>>28085753
gunny wasnt actually a gunny, he was awarded the rank because of the movie.
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ETS'd hard as fuck last year solely because of this. I would have loved to have stayed in the NG and milked them fucking benefits, but this shit was just utterly demoralizing to me when they announced it a couple years ago. They had 2 women per platoon in my infantry company when we deployed to Iraq and it was a fucking mess. Women that didn't know basic IMT's let alone how to operate at the fire team, squad, or platoon level. Women that didn't want to know how. Women that literally didn't know how to operate their M4. Women fucking other Joes in the company. One chick fucking her SL. One chick that had to sit on a fucking pillow with blocks taped to the pedals of the Cayman just to drive the fucking thing. Had to constantly watch what you said around them. Chicks batting their eyelashes and saying "B-but Specialist Sempai, the .50 cal barrel is heavy....can you carry it from the truck to the tent?" and grunts fucking doing it out of fear of EO complaints and desire for a blowjob never to come. It was such a fucking joke.
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>>28085789
>i quit being a welfare queen because women could welfare queen with me
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>>28085814
Good job showing everybody that you don't know how to read
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>>28077324
You're running a gigantic military and are worried about there being a surplus of eligible volunteers? Really?
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>>28079217
Fap material fukken saved
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>>28085836
>im not a welfare queen i swear
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>>28077324
I suppose this is a symptom of being so militarily untouchable that even letting women fight wouldn't give the US's adversaries an advantage.

On the flip side, this is definitely the rot setting in.
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>>28085882
Im not even the same person you stupid fuck
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>>28085903
That's exactly what a welfare queen would claim
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>>28085921
this desu senpai
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>>28077324
Enjoy the increased rapes during combat Operations. The baby poopers cant defend themselves in hand-to-hand combat, so they get raped.
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>>28085609
they love the ride of the valcory scene and when it plays it ain't me
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>>28079815
All-women units are placed in a special regiment assigned to Operation Human Shield
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>>28080993
yeah we know you prefer traps over trannies
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>>28081095
so woman will be better casualties?
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>>28082259
SSTO also means Single Stage To Orbit
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>>28085010
Did you actually watch the movie?
>b-but he w-was a dictator!
That's not a bad thing in survival situations where you get to choose between "Everybody is starving to death or dying of dehydration" vs. "Hey faggots, I'm in charge here. Who wants some fucking food and water? Come get it!"

Meanwhile, "duh watr just wnet bad!" is a shitty excuse to up and be useless for the rest of your life. It WAS a town before the water went bad. The difference is -- men would have applied themselves towards fixing the poisoned water problem rather than just saying "Water's bad. Guess we're all fucked. Let's see what we can poach from the men that come out here by stripping down naked and luring them in!"
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>>28085017
>this whole post
I wonder what country you're from. Whatever it is has a fucked-up history program if they're churning out retards like you.
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>>28077324
Just wait. The same feminists that screamed for equality will say it's too hard and making a woman do that is somehow mysoginistic.
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>>28086051
Selective service is now a go for women.
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Wow I try to have this same discussion regarding the policy about allowing transgender soilders in the US military, and mods delete it within a few posts. Yet this thread gets almost 400 replies in a day. Can we say "transmisogyny"?

If anyone cares to chime in on that conversation I had to move it to autism that is /lgbt/ and, big surprise, it's gone nowhere.
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>>28086093
no one gives a fuck about the mentally disturbed
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Woman drivers!
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>>28086027
It seemed to me that they were pretty fucked as they had immortan Joe's guys on one side, the random biker gangs on another and the big ass salt flats on the last.

Plus Joe was a pretty dumb leader during the movie.
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>>28086119
He was mere flawed.

The proof was in the pudding. If he's running the most successful society in the "world" at the time, he's got shit figured out. He took nothing and made something of it. The stronk womyn took a town and let it rot because instead of fixing problems, they let them compound.
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>>28086103
The Pentagon disagrees with you anon.

Times are changing. Whether /k/ can handle talking about it or not, transgender soilders will officially be allowed to serve (unofficially, thousands already are).
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>>28086146
no one cares about welfare queens either
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>>28077324
>Pentagon Will Open All Combat Roles to Women

Good. Now draft all the feminist SWJ and drop them in raqqah.
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>>28078472http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/09/10/marine-study-finds-all-male-infantry-units-outperformed-teams-women/71971416/?AID=10709313&PID=6158957&SID=iewc3isqug00zhvm00dth
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What the FUCK?! Why is this thread sticky? Why I can't report it? What the fuck is wrong with you mods? I know you are retarded but this is unbelievable, one sticky is saying that discussion about current events/politics is forbidden and the other is discussion about exactly that. What the hell?
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>>28081551
But then what would we do with our bazillion dollar budget?
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>>28079307
The problem is that not all women are the special snowflake that she is. It is costly to let them all in to get a handful of snowflakes.
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>>28082437
the crux of the issue.
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>>28086027
>Meanwhile, "duh watr just wnet bad!" is a shitty excuse to up and be useless for the rest of your life. It WAS a town before the water went bad. The difference is -- men would have applied themselves towards fixing the poisoned water problem rather than just saying "Water's bad. Guess we're all fucked. Let's see what we can poach from the men that come out here by stripping down naked and luring them in!"
>implying SO much
Fixing the water sounds so simple, but between radiation and the myriad of other possible forms of contamination, "fixing" the water may literally be impossible without an industrial base at your disposal.

>Men
If this was a town, they certainly had more than half a dozen women living there. And since we know that Furiosa was taken as a young child, along with her mother, we know that this tribe was raided by their neighbors on at least one occasion, likely more. After the collapse of their water source, and ability to grow food, raiders and starvation would have taken a heavy toll on their men-folk, who would have been the best choice to go look for another place to live.

>vs. ""Hey faggots, I'm in charge here. Who wants some fucking food and water? Come get it!"
Immortan Joe was a great general, but a shitty king.

>If he's running the most successful society in the "world" at the time
>The stronk womyn took a town and let it rot because instead of fixing problems, they let them compound.
>implying again
We don't know enough of either group's past to assume any of this.

>he took nothing and made something of it
Does Immortan Joe strike you as someone who knows how to locate and drill down to an aquafer and set up a huge pumping mechanism?

For all we know, he's The Lord Humungous, if he'd captured that oil derrick before meeting Mad Max, that's all. Between him, the Bullet Farmer, and the People Eater, he's got an empire about as stable and likely to advance as Atilla the Hun.
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>>28078559
You're forgetting a lot of the time women are allowed to get away with doing kneeling pushups too...
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great, more nation wrecking social engineering from the mulatto in chief

http://nypost.com/2015/11/22/struggling-firefighter-injured-after-just-10-days-into-new-job/

as if we didn't spend enough on defense already
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>>28086384

390+ posts. I'm surprised too but wtf do you mean report it? It's /k/ related.

Mods must want a containment thread.
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>>28077324
> women allowed in combat roles
> 99% mysteriously get pregnant and are given non-deployable status
> unit is now massively under manned
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>>28086384
>What the FUCK?! Why is this thread sticky?
>tfw I just realized this is a containment thread
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>>28083288
Its not that theyre dumb cunts, its the FACT that most women arent as strong, aggressive, or effectives as male soldiers.
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>first sticky says "No political discusssions"
>second stocky is a political discussion
oh the ironing
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>>28078050
Blame America's infatuation with military service. People want the bullshit prestige.
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FINALLY
A REAL LIFE MOTOKO KUSANAGI WAIFU
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>>28086464
Seriously FUCK the mods, you know this is just stickied as a 'fuck you' to us.
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>>28079039
That isn't the sneaky route, that's just the sensible route. Keep standards the same and happily admit women who meet them. It's not about keeping women out and shouldn't be about keeping women out, it's about not compromising effectiveness for the sake of equality.

Soldiers are basically machines made out of meat. Human dignity becomes an afterthought when you're talking about sending people into places to be blown up and to blow others up. There is nothing shameful about women not being built as strong as men, any more than there's something shameful about a screwdriver not being able to knock nails in.

Should go the Soviet route and make tanks for manlets and women.
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>>28079902
Socialism and military effectiveness aren't incompatible. People can fight and die for your values whether they're free market capitalism or redistributivist social justice.
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>>28086401
>Fixing the water sounds so simple, but between radiation and the myriad of other possible forms of contamination
Yeah, filtering it through sand and then filtering it through activated charcoal requires some sort of... I dunno... MAGICAL MODERN INVENTION, right!? Like.... SAND!.... and... uh... FIRE!!!
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>>28080968
Load them up with guns and ignorance while destroying them with paperwork?
Thats not how it works, each equal army lines up and takes turns duh.
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>>28081405
>I support giving people in wheelchairs rifles and tossing them a uniform if they want to serve their country and fight.
>I would be fucking proud to fight with anyone who volunteers to deploy and fight and can pull a trigger. If I were Leonidas I would give Ephialtes some spears and say "Hang out in back and toss these at the enemy for us little buddy!"

Okay, but if there's only room in the Bradley for six, do you take Ephialtes or Hardpecs Gruntface?
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>>28086618
>charcoal
Just how many fucking trees did you see out in the landscape in that movie? Because I didn't see a whole lot.

Also charcoal does not remove all types of radioactive contamination, nor does it remove it all in the cases where it does work. Not to mention the other possibilities where just filtering the water isn't enough.

>filter it through sand
The same sand that's probably full of just as much radioactivity or other contaminants?
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>>28082022
I like it.
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>>28081980

Shit, Michelle looks pretty fuckin' ripped.
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>>28086681
>how many trees did you see in that movie?
Uh, hello, faggot.

>I eat shit
http://modernsurvivalblog.com/nuclear/an-earthen-filter-for-radioactive-water/
Stop eating shit.
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>>28086146
And they'll be disgusting and reviled as they are anywhere else. Can't wait for Trump.

Fuck 'em all to death.
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>Discussions about politics or current events belong on /pol/.
>threads about current events deleted
>this thread is stickied
seriously fuck the mods, remove your garbage rules if you can't even follow them.
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>>28078848
How the fuck do you fuck up carrying a stretcher? I'm a lard ass that lives a sedentary life and I can carry a stretcher.
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>>28077324
"common set of standards"

yeah ok
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>mfw I posted this to bait replies
>415 replies and stickied
Shitposter of the year comin' thru
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>>28086821

Lol they made this thread even stickied above the other one.

Definitely fucking with us.
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>>28086821
>"Discussions about politics belong on /pol/"
>As if to say that all politics are innately politically incorrect
The rules were always a crock of shit desu, it was only ever enforced when a mod personally disagreed with the topic.
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>>28085890
Holy shit. I think you're on to something. The American people are so tired of absolutely blowing the fuck out of everyone they face, they are subconsciously trying to make it fair because it's just no fun stomping the shit out of everyone.
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>I know there's only one week left in BUDS but I'm on my period so I'm juts going to sit it out and you have to auto pass me or you're a sexist.
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>>28086711
>a handful of dead trees, soaking up the same toxins that are in the water
Yeah, that's going to work real well.

Also, if it really was a "town" as in your earlier assertion, then getting enough water for about 100 people, by filtering it from a toxic source, is going to pretty much require all their effort, assuming there's enough of the right resources for filtering it.
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>>28077324
just tell them they have to adhere to the same grooming standards.
Only the bulliest bull dykes will want to join a military with 100% shaved heads.
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>>28086711
Also, you're pretty damn salty about the movie, and trying WAY too hard to demonize the 'stronk wimmen' who end up needing Mad Max and a random War Boy to save them from all their problems.
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>>28086885
>just now figuring this out.
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>>28085853
There is already a massive surplus of volunteers that, at their worst, are nearly equal to the absolute best female soldiers
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>>28085724
This
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>>28085609
Gives probably the most realistic look at Marine training and the experience of combat/being in country for a war.
Pretty badass movie on all levels as well.
Not a Marine but I love it for its connotations of dehumanization and dark humor.
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So do they have to enroll in selective service as well?
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>>28086922
I'm not demonizing them, bro. Stating the facts. The society that evil white, fat men were in charge of thrived. The society that women were in charge of declined to nothing but naked highway banditry. When you look at the evidence (as a manly man would do) you can see where they went wrong -- not fixing their shit. This starts with not building basic, primitive water purifiers.

>>28086904
>b-but the trees r tocksic!
Who the fuck cares? You're burning them in a kiln for charcoal, you dumb fucker.
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>>28085038
Men trying to protect women isn't the problem

The problem is that this is inarguably a massive waste of money on all levels that will actively lower the efficiency of the military
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>>28077324
>Stickied
>>27429060
Remember guys, no politics or current events allowed! :^)
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>>28087016
It's a containment thread, you idiot. Before it was stickied, there were 2-3 threads on the front page at any time.
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>>28086963
>burning them in a kiln
That they made out of all the clay they had, I suppose?

>Stating the facts. The society that evil white, fat men were in charge of thrived.
I think you need to re-read the definition of facts.

They were warlords and bandits themselves, they were just more successful than the men on dirtbikes and the Russians(?) with spikes on everything.
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Why the fuck is this pinned?

Seriously, what the fuck. I don't care if mods keep pruning San B. shooting threads, but if they're going to draw a fucking line in the sand about what's /k/ related and what's not, then why the fuck is this thread still up let alone pinned?
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>>28086886
This. It's kind of weird, as an ex-Syrup Infantryman to think of women doing such a role. Up here they can, if they can meet the standards, but no women want to. They tend to gravitate towards things like Navy, Air Force, the Medical branch, Intel, or MPs. Which is fine, nobody judges if someone wants to be a Pharmaceutical Tech over a dumb grunt. But if you want to go and be a real SF Operator, everybody passes the same Olympic athlete standards.
>Tfw in basic the short midget girl doesn't wanna cas drag after a ruck, it's to haaaard
>Everybody pairs up, she gets stuck with the hardass frenchie MCpl who only knows two words of English, his favorite being "shit".
>Watching her struggle to drag this angry, red-faced MCpl as he screams in broken French and English down the hanger length
>THIS IS SHIT
>SACRE BLU
>YOU ARE SHIT
>YOU DRAG LIKE SHIT
>POUTINE
>PICK UP YOUR FEET YOU BITCH
>ALL YOUR FRIENDS ARE DEAD BECAUSE YOU ARE SHIT HON HON
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>>28077324
>deletes threads about politics
>pins thread about politics
Pick one mang
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>>28086982
I'm fine with people making that argument.

I'm insulted by the one that people always make, that men can't control themselves either because we're horny rape machines, or retarded white knights.
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>>28087132

I would say a thread that critiques a military reform is way more /k/ related than any individual random shooting by lunatics.
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>>28087161
That's not an argument, it's a fact
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>>28087112
>where would they get clay?
from the ground under their feet.

Are you going to ask where they're going to get the air to breathe while the dig up clay? Where they're going to get fingers to use to dig the clay? Where they're going to get people to drink the fresh water once it's purified?
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>>28087166
It's /pol/, not /k/. Hell, it's even >>>/news/ before it's /k/.

>Welcome to /k/, 4chan's weapons board. Our board centers around weapons, armor, and other myriad military technology. While guns are the primary topic, threads involving any other sort of weapons, from swords and knives to tanks and jet fighters, come up frequently as well
>military technologies
>not military politics
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>>28087112
Do you not know how clay works?
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>>28086108
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>>28087161
Are you saying that out of an entire platoon, it's unrealistic to assume that at least one or two idiots are going to play the part of a white knight?

They tried to train that shit out in Israel for decades and they eventually settled with segregation.

If you can't handle that reality, please go live with your friends in Balaamb Garden forever.
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>>28087082
It's too bad they couldn't think of a way to just prune the threads that don't belong...
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>>28083298
Civilian leadership is the problem. Has fucking been since nam'.
Take away the power of the executive to regulate the armed services
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>>28087216
containment threads are 100x more effective. When you've spent more than a few weeks on 4chan, you'll understand.
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>>28085609

Artfags are pathetic. All anti-war movies have lead to higher volunteer numbers. It doesn't matter what the intent of the movie is/was, it's the perception and interpretation of everyone else. If you make an anti-war movie and all it is remembered for is glorifying war, then you failed in your attempt. (I'm not saying that FMJ glorifies war. I'm saying that people tend to only remember the drill instructor part of the movie.)
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>>28087242
No they aren't, banning people who create off topic threads is

>I'm not a newfag because I called you new
Kek
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>>28078222
It works in English, but not in French or German. Have to invent a gender neutral noun. And what about transgenders? Are they also allowed in the military? Why don't we see ladyboys drill sergeants?
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>>28078222
Because that would exclude women and as has been shown women will be forced in no matter how badly they fit

Or you simply lower the overall standard to something pathetic that even women can do
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>>28078853
Kek
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>>28087327
I can't imagine many tranny's are interested in combat roles.
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>women
>combat
L M A O
M
A
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>>28087082
>This is the first time anything's happened a lot of /k/ wants to talk about
>They haven't just purged all related threads in the past anyways

This current iteration of their
>no politik, no habbenin
sticky is the Nth time it's been made after being removed, and it's always been right after mass deletions, without forced containment threads.

>>28087242
>When you've spent more than a few weeks on 4chan, you'll act like me, and people will think you've only been on 4chan for a few weeks!

Top kek.
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>>28087396

it is a genius idea

we put them into combat roles and they kill themselves

many birds with one stone
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>>28086146
>thousands

I don't believe this.
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tactical call of booty :DDDDDDDD
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holy shit a sticky

When was the last time /k/ has something stickied (other than the new top sticky and >>>/pol/ sticky)? I can't even remember.
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>>28087413
>Giving combat training and access to weapons to "women" who are being introduced to estrogen for the first time.

Yeah that's gonna work out well.
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>>28087421
Kalashnikov's death?
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>>28078296
I read this as "Finish here" at first for some reason and this got confusing by the end.
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>>28087421

there was a glock image about firearm safety

but the mods cuucked that one away as usual
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>>28087443

also pic related performing ethnic cleansing in a shitty video game
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>>28080915
>implying the government will allow me to put transgendered microwavekin that identifies as a 650 pound independent black woman with a Turkish 140 pound post-op male transvestite as one of my 12 headmates
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>>28087435
Ah, yes forgot about that one

>>28087443
I was more referring to "habbenig" type stickies about an important news story. Having a wiki sticky'd is better because the community can change it to their needs without needing to make a new sticky. it's more democratic in general.
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>>28078222
>The solution is so fucking simple, don't change the standards for women! It shouldn't be "female soldiers" and "male soldiers" with different requirements, it should just be "soldiers" and a single set of requirements. Why is this such a hard thing for the military to implement?

Because it would cause most/all women to fail.

Understand that the whole idea behind this debacle is to FORCE military to include and support X amount of women for various PC ideological reasons. The people behind this do not care one iota whether it's good for the military, or the country, or even the women in question. They just want it done because their ideology demands it.
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>>28078222
>don't change the standards for women

The "standards" today are not there to promote performance, they are there to facilitative looting the taxpayer. Soldiers weighed down with their body weight in useless expensive equipment, moving slower than a snail, waiting to get blown up.

The future cannot be like that.
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>>28087210
The Isrealis are a conscript army, not a volunteer force that can afford to be choosy. They're also not one of the best examples of a Western military, they just happen to be leagues ahead of all of their neighbors.

Secondly, if we can train men to ignore bombs and bullets going off around them, and to ignore the calls for help from their wounded comrades (who may be close friends) because it's not a tactically sound idea to charge out of cover and rescue them at the moment, we can certainly do so regarding various types of 'white knight' behavior.

>if you can't handle reality
Do you even hear yourself? The "reality" is that men can't control their emotions? In any other thread people would be calling you a man-hating feminist.
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>>28085724
Holy shit yes.
On the downside our population would implode after a future high intensity war or worse world war w/o even taking into account nukes
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>>28087546
Oh... so you're saying that every soldier goes into bootcamp a human and comes out a robot!

Good thing, too. I mean, what kind of fucking hell would it wreak if even 10% of soldiers didn't actually end up shooting at the enemy? Just imagine that!
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>>28087282
>bans are effective
Assuming you were here for a few weeks seems to have been a little too generous. Days maybe more like it.
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>>28087581
If political correctness is ever defeated, those women can just go to the factories to build the guns and bombs while the men fight. And they should stay on the home front. If someone smart was in charge of military training, he'd make the standards so high no woman trying to enter could join. A lot of men might fail, but there'd be no women, as is right. Oh, and I'd apply it across all services and unkuck the air force and navy. We need men, not cunts.
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>>28078266
Epic screen cap r/4chan will love this
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>>28087660
It wony be defeated without a war in the first place
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>>28081435
I HAVE 2 FUCKING YEARS LEFT
I DON'T WANT FUCKING STACIES IN MY MEU
THEY'LL PROBABLY DROP THE FUCKING SYRINGE
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>>28087615
If you don't expect 100% success when weeding out things like "not actually shooting the enemy" and other bad behavior, why the hell do you demand 100% elimination of 'white knighting'? Which is, as I said, just as likely to happen between men, when friendships are factored in.
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Test
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>>28087783

Your not banned anymore. Welcome back.
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>>28077927
It would actually make sense for something like devgru to have female operators. They go undercover doing shit they're not supposed to be doing a lot, not necessarily just in a traditional, hot warzone. Mind you they wouldn't let them have any slack in selection or training.
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>>28078591
I could do 42 pushups when I was 13...
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>>28087802
I was testing the capatcha on mobile, but thanks
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>>28087327
>>28087396
It will come.
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>>28081738
We should cull all the mentally ill. Especially those unstable psychopaths with PTSD. They've proven themselves dangerous and completely unpredictable.
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>>28085643
Strongfat
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>>28077324
>Leave to Ft. Benning in a month
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>>28077324
Why is this a bad thing? Submarines can have gender-free bathing areas like Starship troopers.

Also we can have all female squads, like how the wnba and nba are separate.
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>>28081193
Why do you care so much about what real women are allowed to do?
It's not like you will have daughters affected by this policy or anything.
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>>28088123
that's segregation
the military was desegregated in 1948
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>>28086415
Yeah no shit, this fucking bitch at my DEP meetings did that. But on top of kneeling she also spread her arms out wide and went down not even a full inch. Then when I called her out on it she just fucking flips me off, and acts like shes tough shit. Makes me fucking sick.
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>>28087770
because 50% higher casualties, dumbass.
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>>28087443
is that sum dayzg operating? i miss stream sniping with those guys
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THE IRONY
>THE IRONY
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>>28082795
>race has the same social effect as biologically different sex
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>Discussions about politics

Looks like this is a discussion about the politics of allowing females in combat roles.

Mods are breaking their own rules and have this sticky as well
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>>28077324
do women have to do as much running around and pushups and carrying as much weight & shit in the first place? you need huge strength for artillery & armor.
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>>28088234
Maybe JapMoot got a few angry emails after the repeated deletion of our delicious nutritious up-to-the-second high-infor low-BS ratio threads during San Berdoo.

Maybe we have more than one mod.

Maybe there's a janitor and a mod and they disagree with each other.

Who the fuck knows. Since Moot sold out this place has been a black box.
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>>28085768
any fucking idiot can pick up the subtext in the movie. the real question is do you give a fuck. the answer is no, just roll out the boot camp scene.
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>>28077324
Arguments against women in combat roles:
1. Much less capable than men in tasks required in combat.
2. Cause a logistics mess.
3. Affect unit cohesion negatively.

All three of these arguments have been proven empirically true. Yet our politicians don't care.
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>>28088254
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>>28088296
Continued*

I keep seeing the argument
>"If they can achieve the standards they should be allowed into combat roles."

The main issue with this is not that no women can achieve these standards, it's that adjusting an entire organization just for the sake of the 1-2% of capable military women is not worth the unit cohesion, logistics cost, and possibility of white knighting.

You should not sacrifice the effectiveness of the vast majority (99%) for the rights of the vast minority (1%).
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>>28087251
they fail because the harder and more brutal they portray war, the more young men want it. because otherwise they get to live in an office in fagsville their whole life and who the fuck wants that shit.
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>>28079902
Don´t fucking underestimate peasants, they actually do shit and grow tough as nails when they become older. Or die. But old peasants gotta be at least army-tier fit.
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>>28088412
Most peasants are physically unfit and die at 55.
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>>28081361
This.
It will be a self-regulating issue, just like the gay thing.
Still, cant wait to chapter my first princess
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>>28077324
Their lives. They can risk them if they please. They probably allowed women in because there aren't enough men taking combat jobs.

One solution would be to overhaul PT curriculum to require THOROUGH AND RIGOROUS strength training and enforce these standards for EVERY MOS, as well as universal combat training. No able-bodied individual should be exempt from combat duty. This is a volunteer force. You are working under contract. You signed a contract. You will fulfill that contract.

Money shouldn't be an object to military effectiveness. Politicians should never have any authority over the military. It's one reason that democracies cannot win conflicts. I sincerely hope this AT LEAST provides an excuse to look into lighter personal armor, among other equipment. Maybe healthier MREs, too? Less empty calories, MORE PROTEIN!

We have to fill in the gaps. This can work if we fill in the gaps.
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>>28088480
> implying Women would be able to survive House to House combat in Fallujah

http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/iraqi-war/savage-hand-to-hand-combat-fallujah/845811420001
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>>28085731
Yep, sounds like something Kubrick would do.
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>>28082794
Yeah. I can understand CSAT and NATO not having women. But the civilians and local guerrillas being utter sausage-fests? WTF?
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>>28088480
>We have to fill in the gaps
>Women are now in combat roles
>Women have fillable gaps
>We have to fuck more women
You got it boss
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>>28082719
>All-Female combat teams.
>Held to high standards.

Would probably be the stuff of nightmares. Not sure what way it would, though.
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>>28086506
That actually is a really good point. You don't see it mentioned too much though. A lot of people want to join just for the atta boys.
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>>28078050
You know what you do when you can't defeat your opponent militarily?
You defeat them by subversion.
Enter the world of:
>Cultural Marxism
>/pol/
>Soros sponsored BLM, Ferguson, Hillary, Obama creating racial division.
>Walk a mile in her shoes, females on the dollar, safe spaces, obfuscation of democracy
>Frankfurt school, feminist teachings.
Especially the Frankfurt school is really interesting. Basically the USA is experiencing what too much freedom is. You give those who hate your freedom the opportunity to take it away, you need a McCarthy if you actually have opponents this powerful.
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>>28081616
THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS!!!

Just pay physically fit personnel more. Simple. Fucking. Solution.
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>>28088663
>implying McCarthy loved freedom
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>>28080982
Really? Spread that shit around.
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>>28082950
Don't forget Graphene and other composites for use in personal armor among other things.
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>>28082340
INFORM US.
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>>28083040
This. DOD personnel (among other agencies) should be required to serve in the military under a combat or technical MOS.
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I am for any endeavor that gives even a one in eight billion chance of obedient Amazon kinky maidens to go to the gym and bench press with.

The military can rot for all I care. Fuck all of you faggots, opining m-muh freedoms and then fetishizing the most political vehicle of removing them. Fuck laws, also. Free yourself of spooks, cowards.
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>>28081510
>13 pushups
>19 miunte 2 mile
Son I am out of shape as all hell and I can fucking destroy that run and do 5 times the pushups.
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>>28087419
>The committee of about 25 senior personnel officials from each service met Wednesday to discuss issues affecting the estimated 12,800 transgender troops who serve in silence because their condition disqualifies them under Pentagon medical regulations.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/08/21/transgender-troops/32019625/
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>>28088210
>pulling numbers out of your ass
Well, I can't beat that!
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>>28077324

LOOKS LIKE WE NEED MORE BODIES FOR THE WAR BOYS

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW
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>>28082794
>>28088578
At least we still have mods.
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>>28082684
>>Soviets use female conscripts
>>Vietnamese women fight with VC forces
>>Israeli women required to serve
>Seemed to work pretty well...

THERE COUNTRIES WERE ON THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION

THEY NEEDED BODIES

>to bash ALL female soldiers is simply stupid.

fair point
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>>28077324
This isn't that big of a deal and I'll explain why.

Since the SecDef stipulated that the females must meet male physical standards the military will use two options.

One, they will demand a waiver for a female to go into a combat speciality. This means they'll have to be vetted. If some freak of nature or somebody like Ronda Rousey wanted to join the infantry, they'd be admitted with a waiver after being vetted. The military wins because the females in the combat units will be so rare as to not even matter at all. The few that make it will probably be so intense and butch and professional the usual barracks gang-bangs and pregnancies will be even rarer.

Two, they will not require waivers, they will put females through Infantry OUST and the vast majority of females will wash-out. Those wash-outs will than be assigned whatever non-combat job the Army requires people in. So the Army wins in that it has this new pool of recruits it can stick into any job it likes.

Also, in either case if they make it to a line unit, the individual units can always stick them in a job out of the way like company clerks, First Sausage driver, endless KP duty, ect, just like any male soldier that is a piece of shit.

The absolute worst idea is all-female combat units. They'd be marginal at best and nobody would have fun waging wars of convenience anymore when it's their daughters and mothers being sent into the meat grinder and coming home in boxes.
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>>28079902
OH brother. Quit yer bitching. You don't think there aren't enough "support our troops" and "thank you for your service" rednecks walking around?

I mean fuck, do you even get on /k/ often?

I hate this mentality that some vets have of "what the hell did you guys let happen while I was gone?"

YOU WERE FUCKING GONE PLAYING HERO IN A WAR THAT WAS UNWINABLE. YOU GET THE GI BILL, MILLIONS IN TRAINING, AND THE BEST COMBINED ARMS SUPPORT OF ANY MILITARY EVER.

What the fuck are you even bitching about?

I swear, even if we got "Starship Troopers" level meritocracy in the US, some vets would still bitch.

No one made you sign up and leave.

If you want shit done politically then get the fuck out of the military and get involved in politics.
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>>28088663
>muh eroding society

Said every close-minded, socially conservative faggot ever.

You lose supremacy when you:

Enter unwinnable wars in landlocked countries

Give millions of people secret and top secret clearances

Trash your economy because of entitlements and unlimited military spending

Vote for neocons and democrats who perpetuate policies that got us into these quagmires in the first place

Your "cultural marxism" critique is straight out of /pol/ numbnuts. How bout you kick bricks back over there and blame the jews for non-issues some more.

Neocons and kekservatives who bitch about social issues are as bad as SJW liberals.

FUCK YOUR OPINIONS. Jesus is dead, Bruce Jenner has a cock and is a man.
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>>28079592
>asian
>women
>car
RUH ROH RAGGY
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>>28089066
That's two of the three O's of bad driving
>Old
>Oriental
>Ovaries
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>>28080069
>women get a complimentary hormonal birth control injection at the Military Entrance Processing Station after their lottery numbers rolled in.
>if they are deemed not suitable, at least they received free birth control curtesy of the selective service system
>if they are deem suitable, then a longer lasting birth control method is used, timed to last through the service period or some other logistically suitable interval.
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>>28077324
So do women have to sign up for the draft or no?
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>>28077324
I support this. It will show empowered womyn that women are not equal in all ways to men through first hand experience.
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ISIS and sandniggers opened up combat roles to women long ago.

ISIS and sandniggers are more pro-SJW and progressive than the US military. So inspirational.
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>>28081277
.mil has been full of homos since forever and it's not a problem

The last few decades of the US Armed Services provide a ton of evidence for faggots and against females
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>>28088480
Civilian control over the military is only correct answer. Otherwise you're country is a 3rd world shithole run by a junta.

Civilian meddling with the military is the absolute wrong answer. The military exists purely to defend against external violence. Once civilians leaders insist they should be police, or palace guards, or helping farmers with the harvest, or guarding toll booths and banks, or it serves a purpose as an ideological petri dish or a crusade to distribute political ideals, or used to help disaster victims, or any other goddamn role other than defending the country from violence beyond that countries borders, it only degrades that military's effectiveness and detracts from it's actual purpose.

Even liberals understand this, that's why they package their propaganda as 'putting the best man to the job, even if it's a woman' bullshit.
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>>28087186
>hurrdurr clay is every where yah just have to dig for it
>it's totally not a geological formation that may or may not actually exist in the region you're in just like any other geological feature

Why not cut out the whole kiln entirely and suggest they just dig for coal to make into activated carbon instead huh smart guy?

Not to mention you've got to be goddamned retarded to not realize that wood that's already saturated with toxic chemicals will produce charcoal that's ALSO saturated with toxic chemicals. Meaning it won't filter for shit since it's already soaked in the exact toxins you expect it to filter out. Seriously you realize you actually have to CHANGE filters because they become saturated and you can't just keep using the same one over again forever right?

Fucking dumbass.
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>>28089319
>Not to mention you've got to be goddamned retarded to not realize that wood that's already saturated with toxic chemicals will produce charcoal that's ALSO saturated with toxic chemicals
No, the vast bulk of everything toxic comes out as volatiles during the charcoaling process. Charcoal is literally carbon with a small amount of mineral impurities
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>>28088663
McCarthy was too weak, and modern society is beyond his witch hunt bullshit. We're going to end up with a Sulla.
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>>28077927
You realize that the Soviet Union employed women in combat roles, right?
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>>28089499
Nice to know we're emulating the behaviors of Communists now.
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http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

Write your Senators using the link and tell them that in the name of equality. They must pass a bill requiring women to register for the draft.
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>>28089499
only as a last ditch to increase the number of warm bodies in the fight.
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>>28077927
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/transgender-army-sergeant-shane-ortega-opens-up-about-his-journey_55b92d0ae4b0074ba5a75074

I know this girl in person, she could very likely graduate Ranger School and perform in any elite unit.

Enough steroids and anything is possible.
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>>28088663

If anything, McCarthy STARTED the very ploy that's being used against his party in this day and age. Just replace "Communist" with "Bigot". This is all his fault.
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>>28085017
You don't win wars by letting the enemy come to your home or by hoping that it will all suddenly be alright.

You defend if you can't attack or if you are preparing to attack
You attack if you want to win

It is you who have a retarded understanding of war. Read anything involving any war in history or right now and you'll understand
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>>28081161
About as expressive as the French President. Looks a lot like Vining, though. Weird.

>Don't barter with Carter.
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>>28088492
Feels pretty weird seeing him trying to kill people in one scene and then in a buisiness attire in the other
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Women in the military is a fine idea if you have a culture of amazonian warrior goddesses and not 500 lb wal mart hambeasts that will scream when they see a spider and get you ambushed.
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>>28083040

That's a very good question.
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>>28088492
>> implying Women would be able to survive House to House combat in Fallujah

The point is that the US should not be engaging in hand to hand combat in the first place. The military actually needs to think more like a woman and less like a brain damaged football player trying to bash everything into submission with their thick skull. A woman would sit in an air conditioned office somewhere and arizona and kill the enemy with flying robots while drinking starbucks and that is exactly the type of mentality the US military needs.

There is a time and a place for hard charging punch people in the face and steal their jacket type shit, but the war on terror is not that.
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>>28089301
Yes. Meddling. They shouldn't be permitted to do that.
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>>28089279
Such a cute image.
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>>28089672
>You don't want a non-fictional woman watching your back?
>I love how fast this woman gave up when a man could have pulled that legless chick out.

Human beings are the most dominant species on the planet because of our brains. If you think wars on war by muscle alone then perhaps you should equip an entire army of war bears and hippos and see what happens.

With that being said women also lack the mental qualities needed for soldiering as evidenced by their complete inability to play highly competitive video games, chess, etc.
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>>28088939
True.
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>>28078853
>Money in the defense budget still poured into a burning pit as tradition demands
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>>28089672
>that woman at the bottom running away when there was no danger to her
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>>28089723
>muscle
That video didn't show a lack of muscle. It showed a lack of resolve which outweighs lack of muscle. She half-assedly grabbed that broad's palm, went "Oh well" and let the bitch experience a very exciting death in total darkness under that escalator.

Muscle can be added. Cowardice can't be taken away.
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>>28089731
She was hunting for the emergency stop.

All three standing around watching were mall employees, getting ready to turn it off because they knew the escalator was dangerous.
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>>28089731
>She runs away onto another fucking escalator
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>>28089731

All of this machismo "Do you want a woman watching your back? How is a woman gonna carry a wounded man?" bullshit is retarded beyond belief. I want someone on my side that is as intelligent as possible while still passing basic physical requirements. The best way to avoid danger is to avoid dangerous situations. Not get your leg blown off then testosterone your way to victory afterwords.
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>>28089755
>She was hunting for the emergency stop.
Sure she was. A true hero. So "inspirational" as you gals say.
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>>28089752
>Muscle can be added. Cowardice can't be taken away.

Cowardice wins wars usually considering that you win by not dying and making the other person die.
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>>28089760
>The best way to avoid danger is to avoid dangerous situations.
I hate to break it to you sport, but a COMBAT ROLE in the MILITARY is in the BUSINESS of going into dangerous situations.
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>>28089760
>The best way to avoid danger is to avoid dangerous situations.
Agreed. Keep women off the battlefield.
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>>28089775
>I hate to break it to you sport, but a COMBAT ROLE in the MILITARY is in the BUSINESS of going into dangerous situations.

When absolutely necessary.

Keep spending 25 million to kill 1 enemy combatant though its working great. Those terrorists sure are running for the hills.
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.....I wish I was gay so I never needed women for anything
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>>28089779
>Agreed. Keep women off the battlefield.

Kangeroos are better boxers than people but kangeroos don't run the world because they are dumb fucking animals. Wars are not won by muscle. Even when they were won by muscle they weren't really won by muscle.
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>>28089804
No one cares. Your pear-shaped estrogen-filled body scares them away.
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>>28089686
The line between proper direction and guidance to give the military purpose and meddling is very fine.

Obama and his ilk are unique for liberals. Most liberals view the military as a sort of unsavory band of welfare recipients with useless jobs. Like Clinton, who gutted the military believing it was a useless, outmoded apparatus of the state.

Obama believes the military is a microcosm of the US population that he has full control over. So it's his petridish and also his implement to enforce politics overseas. Obama loves the military and sees it as a tremendous tool to be applied to everything that's on his mind.

He used the military apparatus to assassinate OBL, that's bold as fuck, but meddling as fuck.

The Military should never be used for political purposes, including the assassination of random asshole Saudis
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>>28088492
Urban combat is a very unique situation. It can't be won cleanly without advanced technology.

Exoskeletons, Graphene, and squad-level drones are the keys. If we build on these technologies in the right manner...

See? Exosuits will improve everything...

>>28088589
KEK. Cheeky motherfucker.
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>>28089845
>Urban combat is a very unique situation. It can't be won cleanly without advanced technology.
>Exoskeletons, Graphene, and squad-level drones are the keys. If we build on these technologies in the right manner...
>See? Exosuits will improve everything...

Urban combat should only exist in total war or near total war scenarios. The US military is a fucking laughingstock that they let the war on terror degrade into what it became.
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>>28087156
Canadians have the right idea.
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>>28077324
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HmT5jqy-iE

Pretty much sums it up.
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>>28079307
>Also awarded the Silver Star in this ambush was platoon combat medic Specialist Jason Mike, who took up and simultaneously fired an M4 carbine and M249 SAW light machine gun in defense of his comrades.

Why is it that medical personnel always seem to be the ones that pull gung-ho stunts in combat and get away with it?
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>>28079307
>30-truck supply convoy

What they don't say is that 29 of those trucks were probably delivering boxes of tampons and makeup to make sure that everyone was just as comfy in a war zone as they are at home.

If people just hardened the fuck up and lived like warriors everything could probably be supplied by the air and ambushes on convoys would not even happen.

But of course how can there be moments of heroism if people are avoiding being in stupid fucking situations in the first fucking place.
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>>28089980
More often than not you are forced to confront death in the medical field. Confront it and accept it. Cowards don't accept it. They find something to hide behind, whether that be a tangible object or an ideal or belief.
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>>28089866
Yeah, if they'd reigned in (read as: killed) the Muslim militia and restored Iraq's infrastructure in a timely manner, they wouldn't've had to deal with nightmares like Fallujah...

You don't invade a nation unless you plan on colonizing it. Bottom goddamn line.
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>>28082684
No one says NO woman could, or that it's IMPOSSIBLE, but having woman in combat arms is extremely IMPRACTICAL. In the absolute best case scenario, you gain nothing over all males, and there is no shortage of males to fill these slots.
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>>28090050
>Yeah, if they'd reigned in (read as: killed) the Muslim militia and restored Iraq's infrastructure in a timely manner, they wouldn't've had to deal with nightmares like Fallujah...
>You don't invade a nation unless you plan on colonizing it. Bottom goddamn line.

It's called a siege. You surround a town or castle and tell them you can wait all fucking decade if you want and eventually the break.

The only times when sieges don't work is when your enemy has reinforcements outside the siege, but that is not really realistic in a counter insurgency.
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>>28090012
If it's not Tampons, it's extra BDU bottoms. Which one fits in the truck better, genius?
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>>28089682
Kek.
>Just let them have Fallujah.
Ground has to be taken and held. You can't clear houses with reapers.
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>>28090089
>Ground has to be taken and held. You can't clear houses with reapers.

I understand what you retards actually believe and I'm telling you it is entirely wrong.

You people really fucking suck at war and you deserve bitches infesting your ranks.

AYY LMAO
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>>28077324
Hey I am new to this place how do you do green text?
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>>28090075
Or they start digging tunnels. Things get really strange, there.
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>>28090104
Nice argument.
>I'm right u r dumb

>Ayy lmao
Nice meme senpai tbqh I'm baka
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>>28090117
>Or they start digging tunnels. Things get really strange, there.

Sieges work amazingly well if they are run properly. It just takes the kind of patience and perseverance that is foreign to the typical American brain.
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>>28090108
You don't.

You have to let the green text come to you, love. You have to feel it. You have to become the green text. Let it leak out from your soul.

You can't control the green text, love.
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>>28089682
The war on terror IS that conflict. It's exactly the kind of conflict that Shock Troops would excel at. Striking the enemy where they congregate and slaughtering them.

Modern technology is the key.
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>>28090140

No you guys really fucking suck at war and it's pretty obvious.

Remember it's just like football.
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>>28090144
Sieges don't work as well in the era of tanks and planes. Too easy to concentrate firepower.
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>>28088480
>They probably allowed women in because there aren't enough men taking combat jobs.
Not at all whatsoever
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>>28090156
>The war on terror IS that conflict. It's exactly the kind of conflict that Shock Troops would excel at. Striking the enemy where they congregate and slaughtering them.
>Modern technology is the key.

Yes modern technology should be used in such a way that avoids engaging in the glorified pistol duels the US and allies have been engaging in the middle east for 15 years.

And they are really fucking afraid of you guys as evidence by the CONTINUAL TERRORIST ATTACKS.
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>>28089760
>I want someone on my side that is as intelligent as possible while still passing basic physical requirements.

Women don't pass the basic physical requirements. That's the main problem.
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>>28090144
Sieges can also be bypasses easily if the occupants persevere.

>>28090108
Use ">" before you start your sentence.

>Like this.
>Now, you try it.
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>>28090159
>Sieges don't work as well in the era of tanks and planes. Too easy to concentrate firepower.

cool opinion bro I'll remember it

not
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>>28089058
Wtf are you even arguing against?
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>>28090197
Fixed fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man.
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>>28078853
>>Money in the defense budget still poured into a burning pit as tradition demands
Nice.
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>>28090200
The Machine, man
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>>28089824
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>>28090170
Elaborate.

>>28090185
Fear is very alien to Jihadists. They saw the refugees marching into Europe. They saw the cracks in the foundation and crawled in.

Now they've got cells everywhere. World had it's chance to preserve their freedom. Instead they sacrificed it to establish and Orwellian Surveillance State.
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>>28090244
Welcome.
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>>28090269
Exactly. Belief in an afterlife defeats the need for fear.

And the libcuucks very fear plays into sandniggers hands. The libcuccks fear being seen an non-progressive.
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>>28090269
And there's a difference between a glorified pistol duel and an offensive or a scouring.
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>>28090269
It's simple, there's no shortage of males wanting to go combat arms. That's why recruiters try to push you into roles like water-maintenance or clothing-repair specialists
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>>28090303
Or they just want an excuse to establish an Orwellian Surveillance State.
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>>28090319
You're speaking from experience?
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>>28090337
That too. Lib women know what is best for you
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>>28090269
>the world we live in
>Orwellian
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Hiro stickied this
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>>28090025
Kind of like Viking Berserkers?
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>>28090366
Not yet, anyways.

Being said, that is the single most badass picture I've ever seen.
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>>28086386

so the smart thing to do is allow combat roles to all women who can pass the man's standards. only the snowflakes will pass
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>>28090360
Communists. They're just Communists.

And as in that picture, they look just like you or me. We have to address this problem discretely and with the utmost cunning.
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>>28087218
That's called a military dictatorship, my friend.
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>>28090396
We're way ahead of you.

>>28090372
Got proof?
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>>28089980
Because you need to have something loose to become a medic.

You do almost everything a standard soldier does, but you also need to dig around in people so they don't die before they get proper treatment
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>>28090428
Can't have a dictatorship and defend The Constitution of the United States at the same time.
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>>28090440
Yeah, it takes a special kind of insane to root around in people's guts. Especially when the Morphine runs out...

I wonder if Engineers do crazy shit and get away with it...
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I've got no problem with it, you still need to be physically able.
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>>28090473
I root up my gf's guts all the time tho
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>>28090450
Can't defend the constitution without civilians being in charge. Pesky commander in chief thing...
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>>28078254
Those scrawny teen guys are stronger and more athletic than the vast majority of women even fit women for example the US women hockey team lost to 5 different male high school teams im sure the same happened in soccer so there you have an example of female olympians losing to high school boys.
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>>28090622
Well, you can when the military is composed of those same citizens who swear an oath to defend said Constitution.

It's intelligence services you really need to worry about.
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>>28090605
But that's natural. Rooting around in someone's Intestines or Torso to remove a bullet isn't.
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>>28080993
I saw the picture, it is real.
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>>28090742
Hey, you don't know what Anon's sex life is.

If he posts on 4chan, "natural" might not be a good word to describe it.
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>>28090742
well technically I am in her intestines
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>>28090848
No, at best you're in her Colon. Big difference.

>>28090768
Point.
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>>28087813
This i can appreciate. Women have "talents" that men dont. I support fully asymmetrical warfare
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>>28090848
You can't half-ass this shit, mate.

This is how its done:

>Detectives said Lopez gave them a graphic description of how he stuck his arm inside her vagina and anus "all the way up to his elbow," causing her to bleed. Lopez admitted to ripping internal tissue out of her, including intestinal matter, detectives said.

http://www.local10.com/news/fidel-lopez-kills-girlfriend-who-screamed-exhusbands-name-during-sex-police-say/35394150

Push that bitch's shit in. She loves it.
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>>28087813
that's why you have the cia.

there is literally nothing that women bring to the table.
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>>28089760
>I want someone on my side that is as intelligent as possible while still passing basic physical requirements.
So you don't want a woman next to you is what you're saying?
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but why?
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>>28086093
Yeah, they really have absolutely no interest in the military. The good news is open trans service is coming, and soon things will be much much better for the ones that are already in.

>>28087396
There actually are some trans people i know that are interested in such a thing.
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>>28089672
Did she died?
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>>28085725
But anon, it's 33 push ups, not 45.
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>>28091033
but... why?
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>>28089682
>The point is that the US should not be engaging in hand to hand combat in the first place.

you're right, you should just use magic to win your fucking wars already. magic flying robots with magic capabilities and magic lines of communication and magic satelite infrastructure that always work because of fucking magic.

back here in the real world though you do the best with what is actually real. you delusional weeaboo fuckpig basement operator cocksucking fuck.
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>>28091087
Are women ever truly alive to begin with?
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>>28089769
>Cowardice wins wars usually considering that you win by not dying and making the other person die.

that's not cowardice you retard, that's knowing how to win wars. at some point you still have to go into harms way.

sounds like you got this shit from watching edgey tv.

>>28089789
>When absolutely necessary.

which is all the time when you have a shooting enemy.

>Keep spending 25 million to kill 1 enemy combatant though its working great. Those terrorists sure are running for the hills.

body count is the most fucking retarded way to gauge success. and yes, during the initial invasion and the surge, when there were a fuck ton of boots on the ground, the terrorists did in fact run for the hills. you dumb fucking 12 year old.
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Why the fuck is this stickied?

>>>28090355

Why not that?
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>>28091124
You have a point there.
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>>28089866
>The US military is a fucking laughingstock

No one is laughing at the US military. How much of a fucking teenager do you have to be to think that? Everyone else in the world has taken a look at the last 13 years and realized they can't do that. No one can do what the US has done. This hasn't been a laughing stock, it's been a wake up call to the rest of the world.
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>>28091033
>>28091092
oh, that's why

ty rules for radicals
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>>28090104
>You people really fucking suck at war and you deserve bitches infesting your ranks.

Compared to who Napoleon? Please, enlighten us with your years of experience, insight and skill.
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>>28091126

this is a good post you should make more
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>>28091163

nah you people really fucking suck at war
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>>28090726
>Well, you can when the military is composed of those same citizens who swear an oath to defend said Constitution.

Who makes sure they keep it if you don't have civillian oversight and the military has all the guns?
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>>28077324
Lawyers are destroying this country.
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>>28091188
We are waiting for your examples of countries who can do it better. Put up or fuck off.

Start with naming a country that can even sustain an occupation that size on the other side of the world without a direct land route. come on. do it.

Funny how you experts always seem to be watching from the sidelines.
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>>28091246
>We are waiting for your examples of countries who can do it better. Put up or fuck off.

polish your own turd bro
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>>28091246
And I'll add for 13 years in two different theatres while still maintaining a deterant prescence in the rest of the world.

>>28091263
>polish your own turd bro

you mean you have no idea what you're talking about, can't back shit up and have been called on it.

thought so. now fuck off back to /hm/ where you belong you bitch assed little faggot cunt.
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>>28090394
I Second that.
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>>28091299

man those terrorists sure are running for the hills

oh wait no they aren't
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>>28091316
>for the hills
Indeed. These are the exact hills they are running to.
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>>28077324
What could possibly go wrong?
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>>28091332
>What could possibly go wrong?

not much more than already has

stop pretending like the modern military is some kind of super elite unstoppable killing machine it can't even win a war against a couple thousand barely armed third worlders
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>>28091359
Meme harder.
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>>28091375

nah
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>>28091208
The volunteers. Who enjoy the same rights as the general population.
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>>28091316
That's the best you got? Fuck you're an idiot. Confirmed for being 12 and having no idea about anything.

The current situation was actually caused by Obama removing combat troops from Iraq during his first term, against all advice. This created a power vacuum which gave ISIS time and space to transform from being dead in the water (AQ in Iraq had been almost completely destroyed by that time) to transform into what we have now. And it only took them 8 years to do so. If your parents had allowed you to watch the news when you were a kid you might have picked up on this.

I remember watching the invasion of Afghanistan and the Taliban were doing literally that, running for the hills. Tora Bora to be exact. That was before you were born of course.

W's surge effectively killed resistance to the US occupation and had done so in the most simple of ways. Enough boots on the ground to smash any heads that pop up, wherever they pop up. Even the British, who invented counter-insurgency, operate on this principle. When they're allowed to that is. The same issues that fucked Iraq in 2008 also affected the UK; idiot civillian leadership that refused to follow the advice of the generals. Hence the clusterfuck in Sangin.

None of this you knew before I told you. Because you know fucking nothing at all, which we can all see but your total refusal to post anything concrete at all. Now fuck off kid. And guess what, you still haven't named any country that could do it better, or even attempt to do it at all. Because these countries don't exist.

Still waiting nigger.
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>>28091455
in that case put up or shut up.

>>28091456
>The volunteers. Who enjoy the same rights as the general population.

except they don't.
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>>28091469
>against all advice

The Iraqis wanted the Americans gone, and the Americans wanted out of Iraq.

Don't try to pin this shit on backsliding Democrats when it was Shia stupidity that led to the current mess.
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>>28091375
He's right, you know.

The US won its last war in 1945. We no longer have the will to win, nor even to defend our civilization. Why not have girl tankers (who can't break track on an M1A2 because they don't have the upper body strength to do basic maintenance)? Why not have Affirmative-Action girl pilots, who will kamikaze their hundred-million-dollar F35s into carrier decks like a drunk housewife trying to back into a parking space at K-Mart, if it'll make the feminists happy? It's not as if any of this matters. It's only a symptom of the rot. You could give all the women in the US military honorable discharges tomorrow, and give all the faggots BCDs and dishonorables. You could put the reincarnations of Curtis LeMay and George S. Patton at the head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and you could tell all the young high-school dropouts joining the peacetime Army for three hots and a cot that we're not fucking around any more, that the Pentagon is no longer a welfare office for Shaneequa and Conchita, and bring training standards back up (yeah, up) to what they were in 1942, complete with WWII-era USMC style boot camp training--"blanket parties," "wall to wall counseling," and all. Make it clear that every post is a hardship post--no women, no kids, no dependents, no exceptions, no kidding, no fucking around. It still doesn't matter if we're not willing to go further than our enemies are to bring about victory. It's all talk if we're not willing to say "fuck you, we demand your unconditional surrender, after which we will subject you to show trials and hang all of you" when we're attacked. It's all for nothing if we're not willing to get out the canned sunshine and turn cities into radioactive slag until they beg for mercy.

If we're going to declare victory then declare a "date certain for withdrawal" a few years after we overthrow a hostile government if the new-and-improved hostile government asks us to leave, it's all for nothing.
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>>28091490
>>28091469

You both seem like you are great at life and have a wonderful world view.
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>>28091469
Exactly why Politicians should never have any say in military affairs under any circumstances.
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>>28091490
The military IS the people. They have the same Constitutional rights. To tarnish them would be counterproductive.
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>>28091510
>the government we put in place in Iraq still has Baghdad
>the government we put in place in Afghanistan still has Kabul
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>>28091521
You seem to have nothing to back your shit up with.
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So, why is this thread Stickied?

Are one of the higher-ups (Hiro, even?) taking a personal interest in what just happened in SoCal?
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>>28091593
Whoops. I've been watching the news too much, and I'm exhausted. GOOD NIGHT!
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>>28091526
And again, that would only lead to military dictatorship.

The actual answer is that the electorate gets off their asses and stays involved in the national discourse. But no one gives a fuck anymore.

>>28091551
You literally volunteer away all your self determination when you sign up. You are not a free person and you must obey orders. While you can technically can refuse unlawful orders, you just removed all oversight as to what is and is not lawful by giving the generals total and unsupervised control of the military.
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>>28091616
You don't volunteer away The Constitution. If your orders violate it, you mutiny. It's that simple.

There is NOTHING stopping The American Soldier from conducting a mutiny against an unconstitutional order.
NOTHING.
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>>28090366
>Quaaaiiidd
>Start the reactor
>freee Mars
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>>28077958
>Of course they will anon, they'll just lower the entry requirements to 3 yoga poses as comfortable to the recruitee and a 100 meter shopping walk in 6 hours.
ftfy
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>>28091469
>The current situation was actually caused by Obama removing combat troops from Iraq during his first term, against all advice.

Iraqis wanted the power to try US troops in the Iraqi justice system. Maliki knew Obama would not go for this, so it was just a way to get US troops out and allow him to consolidate power and re-institute sectarian divides within the Iraqi military.

The "Islamic state" was actually functioning as an Al-qaeda derivative as far back as 2003. It was mostly a smuggling syndicate/organization for various black market goods; oil, guns, people, etc.

Baghdadi was basically forced into creating a caliphate by his colleagues as he gained power and thus formed what ISIS is today.

I know you're just talking to a troll and much of your post is correct in terms of COIN ops in Iraq. Just that ISIS isn't really solely on Obama or the US-- the US definitely had a hand in its creation, but so did the Sauds, Assad, and largely shitty Iraqi leadership.
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>>28077324
ITS ALL OVER
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>>28086093
Last I checked being fucking crazy was grounds for disqualification.
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>>28077854
Have you even worked with RMs?
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>>28091886
>but so did the Sauds

The Saudi family is directly responsible for pretty much all fucking terrorism in the fucking world. EVERY muslim terrorist has been trained in Saudi Arabia and is massively funded by the same. EVERYONE KNOWS THIS. But for some fucking reason they're the only sandpit murrika won't touch.
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>>28091899

Take a good look at that picture. That's how every single one of these "integrated" units will work.
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>>28091929
Oil.

Any kind of fuckery in Saudi Arabia will mess with a lot of proven oil reserves.

Also, Mecca and Medina are there, and like a billion Muslims would freak out.
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>>28082340
Still waiting for the goddamned story.
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>>28091946
Had a buddy in the integrated infantry bn. He said gangbangs were not uncommon. So ti'll be a lot like in the picture, just with more semen.
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>>28091673
>You don't volunteer away The Constitution. If your orders violate it, you mutiny. It's that simple.

you haven't noticed the irony of arguing constitutionality while simultaneously arguing the civilian leadership should not control the military, which in itself is unconstitutional. which is sort of illustrative; which parts of the constitution? if you think you can pick and chose you think the generals won't also?

http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/1/essays/54/military-regulations

check this one out also:

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/law/rights_of_military_mbrs.pdf

>Rights of service members may be abridged to a degree because of the unique nature of military service.

>The proper balancing of a service member’s right to express himself and the
need for operational readiness will depend largely upon the calm and prudent
judgment of the responsible commander

so really, the correct answer is 'no' and that is written into the constitution.
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>>28091976
>Mecca and Medina are there, and like a billion Muslims would freak out.
One of the reasons OBL declared war on America in the first place was because American troops was stationed in Saudi Arabia, right?

If that's reason enough for them to declare war, imagine what flat out invading the place would do.
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>>28092068
Sandniggers already declared war, you subservient faggot. Keep bowing your head.
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>>28077324
>inb4 affirmative action for women
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>>28092068
Precisely.

All we're getting right now is pinpricks from a couple of assholes who inhabit societies too run down and broken to chase them off before they bring more American bombs on their heads.

Going after Saudi Arabia would make it a real, honest to god holy war.
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>>28092111
Its already a holy war. All sandniggers support these attacks. And the refuge movement is essentially a troop movement.

You cuucks are the best at mental gymnastic. Unless you are just a sandnigger yourself.
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>>28091929
this isn't correct. the saudi royal family proper is at war with aq and isis, certainly according to both aq and isis. the former has tried to assassinate members of the saud dynasty before and nearly killed the defense minister; isis has explicitly declared war on saudi and has stated that they will burn down mecca and destroy the terror cube because it is iconoclasm, members of saud royalty certainly give money to both these organizations, but the royal family has over 20 000 princes so that's hardly indicative. qatar is really where the money for isis comes from.

the sauds however promote wahabism. this is a fucking issue
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>>28090986
You are an awful human being. I hope your mother reads what you wrote and realises what she let live
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>>28092127
You say that, but the US has taken like 30 deaths from snackbar related shenanigans in the last ten years.

In the same time frame, like 3 million people died of heart attacks.

If there was an actual, honest to god Kulturkrieg you'd be talking about most of Asia west of the Himalayas and most of Africa north of the Sahara being depopulated.

There are 5 million Muslims in America. If they actually cared about this shit, we'd be putting out fires for years.
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>>28090986
She died as she lived
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>>28092212
Niggers are a significantly deadlier issue for America.
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>>28078444
1st cav is worst cav
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>>28078572
>The one white male waving goodbye behind all the minorities.

Top kek
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>>28081755
It's offensive because the military is predominantly White.
Yes it has a fuck ton of 'minorities' but to have the white guy, in the US military this is, where white blood has predominantly been shed above every other race, is offensive.
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why is this "current event" thread that belongs in /pol/ stickied but all of the "current event" threads about the Californian shooting spree were pruned?
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>>28092356
is this topic conducive to the feel good SJW agenda?
was the cali shooting scary? is that why we weren't allowed to talk about it?

why is this sticky, MODs?
this is /pol/itics and current events...
what the fuck mods?
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>>28077674
so murrican females can't do what kurd females?
seems like you need some fresh blood in your cunt
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This is /k/ related but the shooting in San Bernardino on Wednesday wasn't?
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>>28092155
>the sauds however promote wahabism. this is a fucking issue

Tell the Saud king to declare the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab heresy punishable by death. If he refuses, start bombing SA and don't stop until he does.
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>>28081895

Reminds me of the landwhale that sat next to me in my corporate tax class. She got knocked up so she didn't have to go to Iraq, she apparently ate everything on the base during that time as well. Had no problem telling everyone she had a child to get out it.
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>>28092528
that's what i'm saying
>>28092356
>>28092455

why is this thread sticky but the shooting not even allowed to exist
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>>28085725
It is, I just got out in May and there was a few times I was volunteered to motivate females during their PT exam. Their sit ups are roughly the same or is the same as males though, but push ups are barely 1/4 the male min and their run gets like 4 more mins over males. The thing is nearly all the females are meeting the male min for push ups but since their min is so it low allows them to fucking max the test so easily, which is bullshit. Cause a good score can help you out in certain regards with your career and they get a high score so much easier than their male competition. I still talk to a few females I served with, I've discussed this with them before and they generally agree or don't know what to say about it. Point is everyone in uniform needs to be on a even playing field. Specially when it comes to advancing your career and everyone being able to reliably meet requirements in a line of work where you can die doing it.
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>>28090986

Rather extreme, but at the same time you've got to admit anyone would become murderous if the girl you're fucking started screaming somebody else's name during sex. That's a bit of a faux pas.
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>>28092666
It's the army man. If you can't take arbitrary rules that randomly punish you for things you have no control over you shouldn't have joined.
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>>28092691
So thinking reforming the system to better it for all is paramount to complaining? I already did my time, I don't care what they do anymore. lol
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>>28091088
Really? My thing says 45 for minimum graduation standard.
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War has no sense on social justice.

From my experience, it's only a matter of time until we see one of these new recruits getting beheaded on Al Jazeera.
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>>28092493

Using female combatants in actual war is always a desperation move done as a last resort, no matter who is doing it.

Also I do think Kurdish women have to be tougher than current American women, because current American women confuse obnoxiousness with strength.
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>>28092743
Is that CAG?
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>>28092742
If it's anything like the Army, basic has a lower standard then it goes up to normal to pass AIT. At least I think that's how it works? Don't quote me on that.
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>>28092743
Al Jazeera doesn't show terrorist videos as a matter of policy, other then non-graphic stills.

>>28092747
The US is so far ahead of every other military on earth that nothing it dose can possibility be considered a desperate measure by anyone.

This is less a last resort and more being 99 points ahead with no mercy rule and thirty seconds left in the 4th. Might as well let the bench-warmers, equipment manager and cheerleader get on the field too.
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>>28092759
Not really. It's S.A.S in an undercover raid, using american gear and clothing.
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>>28092815
>SAS
>Undercover
>With American Gear & Clothing
For what purpose unless it's joint operation?
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>>28079456
Hot damn, do I love this picture.
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Actual integration is going to be a lot harder than some General officer or staffer in the Pentagon saying it's going to happen.

Combat units, at the Battalion or Brigade level will continue to fight it. Even if the hypothetical does happen and women are pressed down the pipe to combat units that's not going to prohibit those units from just simply tucking them away by doing things like staffing shops with the incredibly small number of females that are going to make it. Or simply jamming them in TRADOC or cadre roles indefinitely. Congratulations, you have a female with an 11 series CMF code who will never spend a day on the line in a 20 year career.
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>>28079217
>female enlisted

Her twins are probably half-siblings
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>>28079217
>We're shipping out to Afghanistan
>I'm pregnant
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>>28092887
They couldn't oficially be in the specific region, don't remember why.
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>>28091092

>Capt. Sarah Cudd was one of 46 candidates attempting to get the Army's Expert Field Medical Badge in Fort Dix, New Jersey, on April 27. It is one of the hardest decorations to get, with a 17 percent success rate. Cudd had to complete the 12-mile course in under three hours. She fell across the finish line at 2 hours and 46 minutes.

She is a fucking veterinarian and I am willing to bet at least 75% of the men on this board could not complete this hump that an over the hill female veterinarian got.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-K92F7wmB1o

I give her credit for not stopping. She got the fuck back up and kept going. And she is a fucking veterinarian carrying a 35 pound ruck and rifle with loadout.

A fucking veterinarian did this.

Mcnigg is right. Yall degenerates do not train enough.
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>>28091092
source on video
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>>28093183
>35lb ruck
>3 miles in 3 hours

lel! The backpack I wear to college every day weighs between 25-40 pounds depending on which books I need that day, and whether I'm carrying a change of clothes from morning practice.

Walking a mile in an hour with that kind of weight on your back is not hard at all if you are in any kind of decent shape. The fact that people were shouting encouragement at her as she did this is beyond bizarre.

>being so disoriented, and mentally and physically destroyed by a three mile ruck that you ask "did I make it" and "where's my weapon" as you literally crawl, hunched over like a cripple with scoliosis, over the finish line
>being realistically able to operate with any kind of effectiveness in the field

pick one

I'm grateful for the service she provides to the army in her function as a veterinarian medical officer, but she is obviously not cut out for life outside of a comfortable base. Her award of this badge as if it is a major achievement is strange, confusing, and discourages me from having confidence in the institution that awarded it to her.
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>>28093183
35lb ruck is nothing. Would love to see this bitch try even the hills of SOI with a full combat load.
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Are you guys ready for the equivalent of this in the military?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20SrfEtLDZY
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>>28093183
You keep saying she is a vet....she is a fucking soldier first. Thats like what? a 15 minute mile? Its really not that impressive.
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>>28093321
>that laugh
ugh
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>>28093292

12 miles you kuck

>I wear a Backpack to college I am an operatir

Get a load of this goyim cam! Next you will tell me how heavy your airshit is.

Enjoy your student debt when you sling burgers scrub
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>>28093321
they don't let you get that fat in the military dude
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>>28093338
>12 miles you kuck

oh, I misread that.

I never said I was "operator". My main point was that a 35lb pack is next to nothing; something most people carry day to day on their person without even thinking about it. The fact is that she is physically weak.
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>>28089319
>I don't know how activated charcoal works
seriously, fucking dumbass, do ten seconds of research to see that you can actually REACTIVATE charcoal that's clogged with impurities by putting it back in the kiln. DUMB MOTHERFUCKER.

Stop attempting to speak authoritatively on subjects on which you're too fucking retarded to do even the LEAST bit of research, you piece of dog shit.
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Amerifats continue to lead in the most kucked competition
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Previously, a woman would be automatically turned away from any of the roles OP mentioned. No testing, nothing.
All this means is that they just have to give the same testing to women. If they fail, they fail, just like it's always been. I don't see how anyone is upset by this.
Besides, yeah most women couldn't complete a lot of the testing that soldiers are given, but neither could most men. That's the entire point of boot camp. Sure, you won't become SUPER strong but you will become a lot more aware of your body's capabilities and geometry. A large part of military training is teaching determination and perseverance, so maybe more women could pass than you think.
I don't think everyone should be born equal, but I think everyone should have at least some chance to accomplish what they want to accomplish.
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>>28082373
She does, tardo.
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>>28093338
12 miles in 3 hours with a 35lb ruck is the air assault requirement. Thousands pass that every year, it's really not that big of a deal. Almost all male soldiers in the Army can do the ruck without a problem. I don't know anyone that's failed air assault school.
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>>28093414

You are fucking beyond retarded if you think 35 pounds is day to day carry for the average person.

I know you are not in any kind of STEM courses to spout something so idiotic.

Look I am not saying Captain Cudd is operator, I am just commenting on the video. She did not quit, and she kept going.

Pretty god damn impressive for her to accomplish, and I think she should be given credit for it for a medical career.
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>>28093183
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>>28093523

>Almost all male soldiers in the Army can do the ruck without a problem.

>>28081723
>>28081616
>>28081603
>>28081443

Care to revise your statement sir?
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>>28093527
you realize you can keep working out no matter what career you choose right?
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>>28093478
>All this means is that they just have to give the same testing to women. If they fail, they fail, just like it's always been. I don't see how anyone is upset by this.

They're upset because they won't test the women to same standards. They just won't do that. That's the problem.

If they did test women to the same standards as men, the result would be that pretty much all women would fail the tests, and they can't have that happen.
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>>28078444
8 here.

I thought 1 AD was bad now, don't want to imagine it where i can't make dick jokes and can't pull out my penis at a moments notice.
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>>28093611
Yes they can? The navy seals flunk out like 99% of the people who try to. Lots and lots of militaries discriminate the shit out of people based on physical performance.
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>>28080750
Dos hands
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>>28091092
So women like this will be filling the military
Paid the same
We'll call it "equality"?
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>>28093639
>Yes they can?

No they can't. Their GOAL is to get women into every branch of service. Letting women fail, even when they're completely incapable of doing the job, would keep them from reaching that goal. The fact that units and their mission will be adversely affected by the presence of those women does not concern them.
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>>28092289
actually is asian
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>>28093570
>Almost all
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>>28093678

>Equality

Looks like she is setting a better standard than the majority of the men in the medical field considering less than 20% of soldiers who try this ruck can pass it.

I would estimate at least, at a bare minimum 75% of the Indawoods operators on /k/ can not do a 12 mile 35 pound ruck with boots, uniform rifle and ammo.

And some fucking POG REMF officer veterenarian can?

Like I said before, McNigg is right../k/ is filled with slack jawed faggots.
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>"Unnecessary distraction or any dilution of the combat effectiveness puts the mission and lives in jeopardy. Risking the lives of a military unit in combat to provide career opportunities or accommodate the personal desires or interests of an individual, or group of individuals, is more than bad military judgment. It is morally wrong."
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/10/439190586/marine-corps-study-finds-all-male-combat-units-faster-than-mixed-units
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>>28093720
Betcha if they did assessments based on race they would get the same results.
But I guess it's acceptable to be anti-woman in the military!
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>>28093183
protip: the ruck isnt the hard part you stupid fuck
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>>28093781
hiking 12 miles isn't hard
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I did 6 years active duty with three deployments to Iraq.

I served with everything from Mormons to Muslims.

But never once in six years did I ever once serve with a Jew in any branch, in any career field.

Jews do not volunteer to serve in our military. Why is that? Why did I never meet or serve with any Jew in 6 years in the U.S. Military at bases all around the globe?

Maybe that is what we should be more concerned with than a hatchet wound who wants to fight.

Why don't Jews want to serve their country?

http://www.vosizneias.com/43746/2009/11/25/new-yor,-should-more-Jews-join-the-u-s-military/

Yet I can watch nearly any television show, any movie, any branch of U.S. government and find a Jew working their way up the ranks.

Interesting if you think about it.
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>>28093793
yes, thanks for parroting my post. now go to bed
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>>28093794
>their country
Plenty of jews in the israeli military, not sure what you are saying.
Having large fifth columns in your mlitary is not something to brag about.
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>>28078499
soldiers that will literally piss their panties and throw down their weapons the second they get into a serious fight

they're going to be a massive fucking detriment.
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>>28093183
Wow a brisk walk for 3 hours. So strong so powerful
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>>28093527
You're a fucking tumblr faggot who needs to fuck off.

I carry about 30-40 lbs daily in my pack no problem.
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>>28093881

Listen to this lying kike. You carry about 30-40 dragon dildos up your ass you little pissant cock smoker.
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>>28093527
>I know you are not in any kind of STEM courses to spout something so idiotic.

you're right, I'm actually a Gender Studies major with a minor is Feminist Comparative Literature, just like you.
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>>28093413
Women in the military can pass being super overweight especially if you are an officer because the standards are pretty low for them.
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>>28077854
Fuck you bitch.

I mean, maybe the support faggots. I'll concede that.
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>>28085669
>>28085670
>>28085615
>>28085503
>>28085492
>>28085489
>literally all at once after hundreds of replies of relevant discussion

Hello Something Awful!
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The fuck is this shit?
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>>28080978
Met this guy/chick? At a bar in ybor in Tampa, shook her/his hand with a normal amount of force and was met with "ow, I'm a woman you know" it was fuckin weird and off putting having a man who has killed more people than I ever will shrink away from a completely normal handshake
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>>28078973
>>28079070

Being the boot mofo I am, I graduated marine boot in November and the next month at mct the males really got to meet female Marines and their "horror" stories consisted of being called a bitch and having to hike while carrying water in a canteen in their hands without a pack for 5 miles when we did 12-15 miles with 40-50 pound packs and weren't allowed to drink once running the whole time and being physically abused (punched and pushed over and manipulating our packs)
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>>28085038
>YUO NEED DISCIPRINE!

Sure, they can go off to hell on Earth if they'd like, but fuck anyone who says they should have a single fucking standard lowered.

There's potential, sure. Lyudmila Pavlichenko is a prime example.
But Lyudmila Pavlichenko joined for reasons other than >Muh gender equality
If they can cut it, they should go. But if they can't operate effectively and rationally because it's their time of the month or because of some other shit, they should get dropped like any other liability.

Problem is, fucking people like you are going to complain if they ever so much as think about dropping one.
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>>28093794

>But never once in six years did I ever once serve with a Jew in any branch, in any career field.

Kind of hard to believe, considering all the Jews I knew in the Army and Navy. Of course, at least a few I knew didn't want to advertise the fact to avoid being stabbed in the back (figuratively or literally) by mudslime loving assholes like you.

I also knew a few muslims in the service. A few loud mouthed black thugs, and I got to meet Major Hassan just a few days before that "workplace violence" incident at Fort Hood.
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>>28078254
For you can't do 20 push-ups in two minutes or run a 19 minute two mile then you have no place in a military.
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>>28079257
Do they not have to cut their hair?
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>>28094944

Literally how could anybody not do 20 pushups in 2 minutes jesus
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>>28085643
Probably back for a second deployment.
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>>28086681
While I agree with your previous statements, these points are just retarded. If there is so much radiation in the world that it's seeping into the fucking SAND that they live on, then they have more to worry about than ingesting like such as the ambient radiation all around them.
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>>28091329
nigga didn't Ohio not accept them?
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>>28091469
m8 people wanted this because instead of ensuring safety for one's own country and race, they want full equality. Which isn't possible, because of different customs and religions.
>tl;dr ze jewz destroyed patriotism
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>>28095448
That includes them from 2012 on.

Besides, states saying they won't take them doesn't matter, they can't stop anything. Once they are legally in country they go where they want, which is wherever the Federal government puts em up.
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>>28087443
>but the mods cuucked that one away as usual
How does that word work in that context at fucking all? This is where I draw the god damned line! People here use this fucking word like Smurfs use "smurf."
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>>28077324
But will testing requirements be the same?
The weight of the packs they'll be rucking with will.
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>>28085652
I can see it now
>Female infantry more likely to die in the line of duty
>research shows that female testing requirements during different stages of training are substantially lower than that of males
>Is the army intentionally making our woman weaker, easier targets?

Media will look at this from the worst way and the best way, biased media does sell more after all.
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>>28085973
>ride of the valkyrie scene

That's Apocalypse Now, not Full Metal Jacket.

Both great movies.
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>>28092887
>>28093122
Only semi relevant, but in the first episode of "strike back" SAS in US camo are operating in middle east.

In many episodes of "the unit" (namely africa episodes) they are all wearing mixed international camo , most if not all non-US
("The Unit" is a CAG portrayal)
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Can you guys give me info about israel female soldiers distract the men? I can't find shit
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>>28092887
>>28092815
>>28092743

This is a picture of task force black in Iraq.

Guys on the right are definitely SAS, guys on the left I can't remember if they are also SAS or if they are Delta. The Delta counterpart was Task Force Green but I don't think they collaborated at a squad level during raids, so they are probably all SAS.

SAS often used american camouflage by choice or to blend in with american troops as in pic related
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>>28096103
not really sure if this is marpat or not
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>>28080523

Are you fucking serious? Suicide rates amongst post-op trannies is significantly higher than pre-op, suggesting that bodily mutilation exacerbates their mental illness.
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>>28089629
well to be fair, the soviet archives reveild he was right alot of the time, not saying it was the majority of the time but when all you have is a scalpel and no testing equipment you're going to cut out anything that looks like cancer
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>>28086401

Someone didn't read the comics.
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>>28093794
I went through BCT with one of god's chosen people. He was a prior service Marine who reenlisted in the Army for WOFT. You're an incredible retard.
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>>28093611
This is a political point-scoring exercise. They don't care about effectiveness.
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>>28082794

Im sure its some rating system bullshit that would have put them in trouble for including "violence against women." The reason they dont allow you to move dead bodies/casulties is because any game that allows "manipulation of dead bodies" is an instant AO rating in a lot of Yurop countries.

Plus not wanting to bother making new animations and models for all the existing uniforms for female body types to please the bullshit. Especially now that your "uniform" slot swaps out the physical body model, instead of being part of the unit itself like in A2, which means even a civvie "woman" could put on any other uniform. So they'd have to add new variants to EVERY uniform to avoid having women head models putting on every other "man" uniform and looking like unpolished shit. Cost-benefit, I would have liked woman civvies too though.
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>>28091332
I wonder, do manlets have this problem in the military too?

Actual manlets, not 4chan's 5'7" - 5'10" definition. I can see how significant differences in stride lengths could cause issues.
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>>28096878

Less about stride lengths, more about bone structure. Even manlet hips are more centrally positioned and better made for bearing heavy loads/marching.

Not to mention ligament/bone strength.
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