Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1840

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Started reading 3 weeks ago after i was 50% through my grammar guide, completely dropped Anki except for DoJG.
I can now recognize some phrases / words out in the wild.
feels good even though i still can't comprehend 90% of what people say on my own

you can make it anons!

わたしはこのスレを破壊するためにやってきたんでごわす

>>17576296
何故でありんすか

>>17575904
There are a lot of words in even Core2K which really aren't that common because the dataset is based on newspapers from the 1980s or something.

You're better off reading daily for a month without using Anki at all and seeing what you manage to pick up from exposure alone, and after that you can create a mining deck if you want to (this way you save yourself from filling your deck with really common words that you don't need cards for). At first it would be best only to mine words which you know you have already seen before but haven't managed to memorise through exposure, since if you mine every single word you'll inevitably wind up with a bunch of not very useful (i.e. not very common) words in your deck which are of relatively little worth to a beginner.

>>17576331
Also, you've got to ask yourself, is spending over 3 months doing nothing but memorising vocab (most of which is so common that you can easily learn it through reading alone) really worth it?

You will get so much more out of 3 months of reading without using Anki at all than you will get out of spending 3 months on Core2K.

>>17575915
The only way to stop it being difficult is to practice it, same as with anything else.

I'll pitch in. Depending on what your goals with Japanese might be, even a word like 血液製剤 could come in handy one day. I think there's nothing wrong with adding everything to Anki, as long as you keep reading.

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>>17576322

>>17576270
Same, i have a hard time distinguishing between particles and words, not the obvious ones like は,を and から, mostly で、に
i'm dumb

>>17576453
stop thinking of them as separate things the particles are words

>>17576346
Anki takes at most half an hour a day. You can spend the rest of your learning time reading. They're not mutually exclusive.

whats good for listening practice that combines natural speed and slower speed versions and also english translation (to check whether your comprehension was accurate)?

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>tfw started reading oretsuba but it feels too good that you feel like you aren't ready to read it so you drop it
anyone know this feel? it's an amazing game, it really manages to hook you from the start.

>>17576612
>english translation
prepare to be shooed

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So after a bit less than two weeks of doing 40-80 kanji a day with KKLC, I stalled out at the beginning of this week from the sheer tedium of the exercise. I made it to a little less than 1000 characters in. I think what really killed me in this was the flashcard reps--I disabled recognition reviews, and only focused on recall, which really became a pain in the ass as they piled up. I had stalled my core deck studies to focus on this because I had felt that my retention was not strong enough for some words and wanted to focus on kanji. Went back to Core deck last night to get back on track and beat down the 800 reviews I had backlogged. I have to say, it went very well despite not having done reps in a few weeks. I feel like my ability to visually recognize and see distinctions between kanji has dramatically improved.

Now this whole time I've been reading at least an hour a day of VNs/manga, which I feel like has been way more important than either isolated vocab or kanji study. Part of me feels like I should just abandon the core deck and start learning vocab exclusively mined from material I read. I don't really mine words, but I still remember words I look up the next time I see them. I'm sure if I added in a flashcard component that would be the most efficient way of expanding my vocabulary.

Or, if I've learned anything, it's that I should do everything in balance, slowly work through core and KKLC at maybe 10 new items a day each, and then spend the rest of the time reading and expanding a mining deck. Any thoughts?

>>17576690
I'd say drop everything but reading and mining.

>>17576690
I would have dropped 2k by now if i wasn't too lazy to figure out how to add cards.

>>17576612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhLMfvVO0Cs

>>17576708
Haha I thought it was gonna be the guy+girl japanese+english channel that's been shilled here. Guess I spend too much time here.

>>17576735
sorry to disappoint you im only here to help

>>17576612
If that's really what you want, the early Japanese Pod101 lessons do that sort of thing... but to be honest, I hated the slowed the Japanese, even as a beginner -- it doesn't make it any easier to understand; you're just getting used to listening to awkward slowed down Japanese which is not what it really sounds like.

>>17576575
>You can spend the rest of your learning time reading.
The vast majority of people who do Core don't do that.

Just drop Anki altogether once you get up to like 2k words and devote all your studying time to reading/googling what you don't know. It'll just lead to confusion if you keep grinding out japanese words to english meanings and when there comes a point where the word is used in a way you don't understand you're just going to look it up again anyway. Plus anki is quite a headache to do every day, where as reading is alot more fun.

>>17576612
Parallel text readers. To make the audio slower, just slow it down in your media player (the [ key in mpv).

>>17576807
Actually, not even 2k, maybe just do Anki up to like 1k words really. Just stay away from anki as soon as possible, don't fall for the meme and end up fucking doing 10k words on it lmao

>>17576798
Are you sure? The moment I was at ~800 cards in core 2k, I started reading slice-of-life mangas because I was told they all tend to contain simple vocabulary. Once I finished Core 2k, I began mining words from whatever I read. My mining deck at this point is larger than Core 2k, but I still know that reading is important because vocabulary becomes tough to memorize when you only see them as a flashcard for a few seconds.

>>17576831
>Are you sure?
Yes. The DJT even advises people to do it.

>It is commonly used in conjunction with the Core2K/6K vocabulary deck by beginners to build up a basic vocabulary of common words in preparation for reading.
>in preparation for reading.

>As you can expect even Core2K to take about 3 months to complete, some prefer to skip it and begin reading native material immediately.
(implies doing Core2K and reading are mutually exclusive activities)

>Core2K/6K is the generally recommended Anki deck for beginners who want to build up a basic vocabulary before they start reading.
>before they start reading.

>reading will be easier if you have reached 1000–2000 words in Core2K/6K

>>17576852
*The DJT guide

>>17576852
You said "the vast majority of people who do Core don't do that [spending the rest of your learning time reading]," yet people advise to read once you're close to 1k words in Core, if you decided on using Core at all. In fact, you even quoted the 1000 ~ 2000 words mark most people would follow.

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>>17576807
>if you keep grinding out japanese words to english meanings
Who says you need to use English meanings?

>>17576870
Waiting until X words is stupid though. That's the point. You should just read, everything else is an afterthought.

>>17576870
The "1000 words" bit isn't a suggestion, merely a statement. You're ignoring everything else I quoted which directly suggests to people that Core2K is something to be carried out before reading.

Even ignoring the guide, I've seen enough posters in these threads to know what most people who use Core2K do. There's no end of people who post here complaining that they've finished CoreXK and just tried reading Yotsuba but can't understand any of it.

>>17576897
>There's no end of people who post here complaining that they've finished CoreXK and just tried reading Yotsuba but can't understand any of it.
Probably because they've never bothered reading any actual Japanese, let alone, learn grammar

clickがdickにみえた

やんでる

はー
人間たちを食べたい

>>17577049
くらえ！
*チンポをだす*

This is probably one of the worse places to ask for this, but can any of you recommend a detailed academic linguistic approach to study grammar. I am looking for an in-depth review of Japanese grammar, ideally with historical notes, for an English speaker. I do not mean something like Dictionary of Intermediate/Advanced Japanese Grammar by Makino.

>>17577153
Are you expecting a detailed linguistic breakdown of Japanese in English? Come on now.

>>17577153
Imabi is the closest thing to what you're looking for.

Whats the consensus on learning kanji by radicals? Good or bad idea? Do the Japanese even pay attention to the radicals?

>>17577211
makes lookup a lot easier.

>>17576909
How do you even learn grammar though? It's not as easy to grind out as vocal and staring at a grammar guide all day is tedious as fuck.

おはようおにいちゃん

みずー

>>17577211
I think it's a bad idea to focus on the radicals alone, learning vocabulary has the same affect, in that you just learn to pick out different radicals naturally, especially if you make it a habit to practice writing them, I don't know the names of any radicals, but I sure as hell know how many strokes they have and how to seperate a kanji into different parts

like 鬱, I know it's 7 radicals without ever learning them individually


in short, just learn vocab

>>17577211
Personally, I think it's a waste of time and it's better just to learn vocab, but it's up to you.

>>17577153
>academic linguistic approach
Dumb.
You want a Japanese 国文法 approach, but that requires already knowing Japanese to a certain degree.

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>>17577153
Step 1: Learn Japanese the DJT way.
Step 2: Read a Japanese grammar book / language history book.

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Cat's on the roof now eat your meat and stop asking questions.

>>17577260
猫が食卓に登っているだとおもうよ

>>17577260

I laughed audibly at the 2k card which first shows you a black guy with 真っ白 and the sentence card is like "His teeth are really white.".

>>17577128
*お前のチンポをひと口で食べる＊
ぐぐぐお前のおチンポがおいしくない
でも
愛液を飲みたい

Whats the purpose of Anki when JLPT vocabulary and kanji books exist?

>>17577445
Spaced repetition. It's harder to keep track of what you know/recognize without any additional augmentation. A couple of boxes with flashcards will do, but Anki is easier to set up and use in the long run. Nowadays I use it for pretty much anything memory related, have two Japanese decks made from scratch. It's cool.

What's the difference between this one and the one on /int/?

>>17577479
This one doesn't die of inactivity constantly and doesn't have flags

>>17577479
nothing much, this one tends to be more active.

おなかすいた

たまごやきたべたい

>>17577479
This thread has an anon that gets mad every time someone posts something he doesn't like and redirects people to /int/, the other thread doesn't.

>>17577479
Try asking on >>>/int/
??

あさつゆで

さむーい

なつがおわったー

>>17577479
/int/ has people actually learning Japanese. This one has people who argue about study methods.

／ｉｎｔ／は３次
／ｊｐ／は２次

>>17577231
don't do it all day then

>>17577231
You don't learn it. You absorb it. Just start reading/listening.

>>17577231
Watch anime

>>17576239
Felicia is shit.

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what is this character? it looks like the hiragana for shi, but with a single small line above it (note: not "ji" and not "i")

Just want to get everyone's views on this. Do you still do core 2k/6k Anki every day? If not, how long into learning Japanese did you stop doing Anki?

>>17577479
this one is cooler

>>17577994
It's a scribble, where did you find it?

It has to be い

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am i just stupid?

>>17578007
>Do you still do core 2k/6k Anki every day?
No.

>If not, how long into learning Japanese did you stop doing Anki?
I didn't stop doing Anki. I use it with a mining deck which I made after abandoning core 1k words in.

>>17577994
is this bait? get it. because it looks like a hook?

>>17578037
The reading pack would tell you what word that is even if you're struggling with hiragana. Go download it.

>>17578037
yeah, you're pretty dumb, it's いっぱい

Do I need to learn hiragana and katana? Or are kanji enough?

>>17578090
いいえ、かなをわからないのはオーケーだよ！

>>17578115
I'm pretty sure that's hiragana and katana. I can't read them yet.

>>17577128
ボロン is the sound to use here

>>17578115
○ かながわからなくても

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>>17578007
Yes, but only as a change of pace. It's not something I devote much time to.

>>17578141
なるほど
「が」使った方がいいという知るべき
でも
「のは」を使うことが行けない？

だらしなくてごめん

What is the best anki deck for learning romanji?

>>17578153
Naruhodo.

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>>17578007
You stop doing anki when you only mine maybe 1 new word a month from reading and have everything mature with no leeches
depending on what you like to read, it might be around 20 or 35k

>>17578007
I do, but I'm still pretty low tier. I only have around 1100 words, and I spend more of my study time on reading rather than grinding Anki. I'm probably gonna start a mining deck soon, because I want to play super robot wars and the only way I'm gonna learn all the scifi words that are in it is by mining them.

How long has everyone here been studying?

Is there a quick way to make a mining deck?

I've been through core 6k but i'm reading まほろ駅前　and it seems every sentence has words I didn't know like 門柱　軍手　納屋　便利屋　etc. etc. and it sounds like a huge pain in the ass to add them one by one to a deck

is reading through it using rikaikun or looking up the kanji for words I don't know enough?

probably not I'm assuming, but I'd like a second opinion

>>17578304
Read the guide.

>>17578253
There's also http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats

>>17578180
>「が」使った方がいいという知るべき
「が」を使った方がいいというのは知っておくべき（？）
not sure what you meant to say

知っている = to know
知る = to find out

>「のは」を使うことが行けない？
it's grammatically fine but sounds weird. also, should be
「のは」を使うのはいけない？

> だらしなくてごめん
何の問題ですか？何の問題もないね（レ並感

>>17578324

I've read it, i'm asking if there is a quick way to make a mining deck besides adding shit one by one

>>17578333
Oh I should have used 知っている　I just took the plain form before べき too far I guess also I thought "using a word" was abstract enough for こと　

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So, um.

Do you guys think I sound professional?

おなかすいた

うめぼしたべたい

>tfw learning Japanese from soft translated Kancolle comics on danbooru
Why do they have to be so addictive

>>17578367
>こちらの方
I heard that was some fake keigo trying that young people use because they don't know better.
Nah, I'm just messing with you. I don't know anything.

>>17578395
those translations are almost always made by people with very bad japanese

>>17578398
Perhaps, but I just use them as pointers for kanji that I don't recognize, which I then look up myself.

>>17578367
You can't use 検討 here. 確認, maybe?

For the second line, does をご送付ください。 work for what you want to say? It would avoid the したいと思います repetition in the third line, too.

You could up the formality if it's appropriate:
ご連絡いただきありがとうございます。
よろしくお願いいたします。
(I think hiragana here is more proper than 頂き and 致し, but young Japanese people seem to be confused about this themselves.)

眞子殿下がけっこんだって

おしあわせに

>>17578331
>modified Hayashi 2: Same, but ignoring the contribution of katakana sequences entirely.
>fate stay night
>modified
Hayashi: 63.75
>modified
Hayashi 2: 90.06
How much fucking kata is in that VN god damm

>>17578397
I think it's okay, but if you're a company contacting someone outside, you can use 当方 (not the same pitch as 東方, by the way)

>>17578475
The modification is unbalanced anyway, the highest and lowest scores are way different.

佳子殿下どうするんだろう

綺麗すぎてハードル高いとおもう

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Could someone tell me exactly what this artist is saying?

Are they upset that someone scanned their doujin?

>>17578550
Basically they're saying they're pissed off that it was scanned and the uploaders should die, but the fact that it was entirely translated into english (plus sfx etc) impressed them.

>>17578550
They're talking bad about how it got scanned but they're praising the skills of whoever translated it to english because they translated and redrew the sound effects.

>>17576239
how far is one progressed that understands 90% of NHK easy articles?

>>17578550

lol

>>17578007
I spent 3 months doing core2k and dropped it as soon as I saw the last card, so technically finished it but not really

Watching anime is more fun

>>17578550
>でも転載は〇ね
>but Just die warez.

>>17578575
>>17578578
I see. Thank you telling me.

How hard is Mashimaro for someone who is N4-N3 level? I've never read anything harder than slice of life manga but need to start somewhere with VNs.

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>>17578647
try it and find out you big チキン

is だな a different form of です?

>>17578647
>>17578658
後ろのふくろかぶってるの

ちーちゃんだ

ふくがちーちゃん

>>17578672
yes.
だ is colloquial form of です　
な softens the statement

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>>17578683

>>17578672
It can be used as a manlier alternative to ね

>>17578647
It's my 4th untranslated VN and it feels like the most complex to read so far despite being a light-hearted moege. Lots of business talk in it about the shop along with plenty of business vocabulary. Probably not what anyone should consider "hard" but I don't recommend it for a starter. Go for Hoshizora no Memoria or something else written by Nakahiro (like AstralAir) if you really want to start with something easy.

About how long would it take for me to be able to watch anime without subs if I studied Jap for an hour everyday, assuming I'm a newbie at t_0?

>>17578735
>1 hour a day
5 years

>>17578735
>living outside of japan
probably 6-8 years no joke
>living in japan
five weeks tops to understand it, probably about half a year to get some of the more detailed stuff like wordplay

Is there a good resource for looking up character names? When someone's introduced with kanji and their name is never given in any sort of kana, what should I do?

>>17578744
>>17578748
Time to move to Japan, I guess
>hanging out with friends
>watch XRA (American show) with subs on by accident
>realize how much worse the experience is than watching without subs
>realize that all these years I've been watching anime with a serious handicap
But I'm not a NEET so I'm at an impass

>>17578762
its especially bad on content that is tough for even japanese to fully get
subs dont even let you get in the door to play

What are your settings in Anki? I'm currently doing 50 new and 50 review cards a day. Maybe you people have a better method.

>>17578762
I actually like watching shows with subs a lot more than without them.

but I mean I can't really recommend framing your life around television.

But if that was my thing and I had nothing else to do I'd grab ten k and spend half a year in tokyo hanging out at coworking studios and going to meetups

>>17578775
there is a better method and it involves deleting it from your computer and seeking out better input with the time spent on it

>>17578775
Read the anki startup guide

>>17578691
ジャガーさんより

アラフェネがすきです

>>17578774
That's why I would need immersion, I suppose
Like, I spent for example 4 years learning German and it wasn't until I visited Germany that I was able to get all the little idiosyncrasies. Japanese is probably no different.
Add in the fact that HorribleSubs write shit like "for the glory of Satan" for itadakimasu, and I'm certainly in a pickle.

>>17578776
For me it takes away from it so much, it's a completely different experience. I feel like I'm reading a book more than actually watching a show, which in my opinion should have the same feeling as a play, since it's the spiritual successor to the dramatic arts after all.

>>17578796
>HorribleSubs write shit like

>>17578775
>50 new and 50 review cards a day
Your number of review cards should be around 10 times the number of new cards per day. In your case it should average out around 500 and you're only gimping your progress by capping your reviews (which shouldn't be capped at all, set it to 9999 or something).

>>17578796
Maybe that's it. I like books alot and only watch shows when it can't be helped, for example if my friends bully me into it. Unironically consider books to be a superior medium.

Especially if you motivate yourself with girls the language comes very very fast.

Also binge-watch animes when depressed. Pretty sure it doesn't help with the depression but it feels pretty good.

>>17578813
>Pretty sure it doesn't help with the depression but it feels pretty good
Congratulations, you figured out how to beat the immediate symptoms of depression.

>>17578807
You knew what I meant...

>>17578813
This is also something I would hope to get out of learning Japanese, since I love Dazai and Soseki (and will probably like Mishima once I get around to reading Sun and Steel or Forbidden Colors), and reading their novels in Japanese would be amazing.
I just spend much more time watching anime since it's a lot easier and faster, so that's the first thing I think about when it comes to reasons to learn Japanese.

>>17578825
hopefully you have a better reason to learn japanese than access to more entertainment, whether it be novels or shows.

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How often do you guys study?
I'd like to study everyday, but since I'm not a NEET anymore, I can manage to do so.

I just would like to know how your study schedules work.

>>17578835
access to entertainment is quite literally the most important reason to learn a language anon

>>17578837
I read half a scene in whatever VN I'm reading once per hour whenever I'm at the computer. Sometimes I read for longer than half a scene. But I always start it up once an hour and read a little.

I do my mining deck whenever I feel like it. I don't use anki, I made my own SRS program that has different learning queue logic.

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>>17578838
are you trying to be cheeky with me or are unironically serious about this

>>17578844
i'm upselling it but it's the motivation that has the most prediction for future fluency after passing intermediate levels

it's true that a lot of people ~start~ because of entertainment and quit before they get anywhere though

>>17578835
I mean yeah, I'm majoring in linguistics so obviously I'm quite interested in the language (plus I already know a lot of characters since I used to study Chinese), but I'd be lying if I said anime, osu songs, Ai-chan, and novels didn't play a role in my interest.

>>17578735
Depends on how much anime you watch daily

>>17578837
I make it a habit to read a very minimum of 1 day in the VN I'm on every day. When one day passes in the story's universe I'm free to do anything else if I want.

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>>17578793
賛成

>>17578857
Couple hours

I think manually drawing each vocabulary word in google translate and manually making anki cards with them is helping me remember them better. I got really lazy using text hookers and rikaisama and hardly retained any new vocab with those.

>>17578847
>>17578853
I'm totally serious when I say that for entertainment I enjoy translations just fine. Lots of subbed stuff from the spanish (original) pablo escobar to shaolin soccer is more than fine, it's great.

Fansubs can be hit or miss but pro stuff is usually on point.

Then again I don't watch more than a couple hours of shows a month, so maybe if you guys are watching about that much a day you'll run out of quality translations very soon.

But I mean you should probably not be spending hours of your day on entertainment.

I've only ever learned languages for the purpose of talking to girls

>>17578864
Make it 6 hours a day for a couple of years and you will be watching without subs

>>17578869
>But I mean you should probably not be spending hours of your day on entertainment.
What kind of fucked up depressing life do ~you~ live, then? Hobbies are entertainment by the way.

>>17578090
I love you, people.

>>17578874
this is me
>>17578367

>>17578837
Not a NEET, every day after work.

>>17576239
Just read someone explaining how マジヤバイ is has a positive nuance instead of it being something like very bad like I have thought until now. I actually found it very funny for some reason and finally understood why it was used in games like twewy.

>>17578895
Totes wicked

>>17578901
Is this what they say in the english version of the game?

>>17578930
No idea but it would fit

>>17578885
But that's all you do? I have some problems in choosing what to do, because I like to invest some time in my hobbies as well (my Japanese is not good enough to watch animu without subs, for example)

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>>17578952
Make it happen, my man.
Not the guy you were replying to, by the way; just another salaryman doing the grind.

そのリア充の空気はかなり息苦しい

>>17579025
ごめんなさい、何を言ってるのかわからない

>>17579025
にほんごはただしくないけど

あのんのいっていることはただしい

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>>17579175
要旨が通じて自分の本業ですよ

ウーパールーパーおいしいかな

>>17579274
ヘビとかカエルとかカンガルーとかおいしいんでしょ

おいしいとおもうよ

>>17579206
レズは目で食う

If I watch 10 hours of anime a day will I magically learn what the words mean?

>>17579460
いふいふ？

できるかどうか

やってみよー

>>17579512
この間、クリプトダンサーやってみた？

>>17579460
Well it depends on how many days you do that for, but yes to an extent you will be able to pick up on what's being said given enough anime and active listening (as in, actively trying to pick out familiar words and associate them with what's going on in the anime).

The issue is that you'll pick up a subset of the language specific to anime and associate it with normal speech meaning it'll be difficult for you to speak "normal" Japanese.

It's also a lot less efficient than doing some specific study alongside the anime watching. Even if you spent 80% of the time watching and 20% of the time studying you'd likely progress an order of magnitude faster than you would have otherwise.

>>17579460
If you do it for ten years yeah.

>>17579533
>The issue is that you'll pick up a subset of the language specific to anime and associate it with normal speech meaning it'll be difficult for you to speak "normal" Japanese.
このヤロウ、ばかなこと言っていな

>>17579537
いっていなサイ？　いっていンな？　どうなのか、どんなつもりなのかな？

>>17579531
１４８０えんはちょっとおたかいけど

すごいやってみたい

>>17579544
>いっていんな
もうしわけすみませんでした ；＿；

>>17579550
過去の売り出しで３３０えんぐらいあったよ
クリスマス時にまた値下げされてかも
根気の問題です

>>17579581
いねかりでおこづかいでたらかうー

I associate 定まる with Saddam Hussein

>>17579649
孕む

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>>17578867
not that much difference though
up is pre-made deck, down is mining deck

ねさげでかうと

けっきょくやらないきがするから

えくすぺんしぶにかいたいな

>>17579836
そんな気持ちわかるかも
値段がさがったらやる気も下がる(´・ω・｀)

I don't get そんな and こんな and when to use them instead of その and この.

Any tips to get visual novels to keep playing their music/sound when they're not in focus?

The few I've tried keep playing so they're pretty good, but a new one cuts out as soon as I switch windows which is driving me nuts. Setting it as always on top didn't work, and not seeing anything in the configuration menu which works.

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>>17580050
そんな、こんな --> that sort of (noun), this sort of (noun)
その、この --> that (noun), this (noun)

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>patchannel drawing his manga on twitch
i thought they would only go on niconico? if anywhere

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>>17576239
>やだねえ
>一応 毒じゃないものしか
>入れてませんよ

Oh, you! I'll have you know I use only non-poisonous ingredients.

i dont get the やだねえ and 一応 creating this translation.

>>17580175
>やだねえ
No way! (as in a rejection, not an exclamation of shock)

>一応
they basically threw this out even though it's important

>>17576909
Why they can't read is not the topic at hand. We were discussing how people use Core2K, if you recall. The point there is that they do Core prior to reading, not during.

>>17580059
I wish I knew this. I gave up and ended up playing the entire ever17 with the music dropping out every 30 seconds or so when I looked up a word. C'est la vie

>>17577257
>Step 1: Learn Japanese the DJT way.
There is no DJT way.

>>17580059
>>17580201
If im going to read, I don't need music distracting me
especially when im trying to learn

>>17580226
>No background music from the game
Might as well be reading a book then. Music helps set the mood, which helps making things compelling content.

someone
please teach me English
by Japanese

>>17580262
read beginner grammar guide + read stories + listen to youtube/streams/TV + use flashcards when stuck

>>17580226
Music is one of my favourite parts of a VN. If a VN has memorable music, you can just put on the soundtrack months or even years after you've finished playing the game, and re-experience what you felt playing it. Nothing can cause more nostalgia than music.

>>17580267
Thank you

>>17580282
scientifically speaking, rare combinations of scents are better at invoking nostalgia than music

>>17580284
If only VNs have smelltracks like they had soundtracks

So, like, what do you all do here?

>>17580338
We learn Japanese

>>17580282
Thats all well and good, if you already know japanese
I really dont, and I like all my attention focused on the text and there is nothing stopping me from going back and replaying VNs with the music when I'm at a much more comfortable level.

>>17578339
>>17578762
Moving to Japan won't make the process any faster.

>>17578762
Move to Japan and,
>hang out with other foreigners and live your life in an English bubble.
>drink lots of strong zeros
>complain that the konbini lady said, 上手ですね after you said おはようございます
>lose interest in anime as the settings that once seemed magical just look like boring everyday life
>knock up a gaijin hunter in her late 30s desperate to have children
>get married and teach at an eikaiwa to support your kids
>still in an English bubble
>still can't speak enough Japanese to properly talk to your children
>still get told that you're 上手 for saying greetings by the konbini lady
>still stupidly greeting the konbini lady, even though no one else does
>you get a divorce because you can't communicate with your wife
>get depressed and drink more strong zeros
>still can't speak Japanese

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>>17580401
>still get told that you're 上手 for saying greetings by the konbini lady
>still stupidly greeting the konbini lady, even though no one else does

>>17580289
Some VNs absolutely should not have odors.
You know which ones.

>>17580401
having just moved to japan 5 weeks ago, i can already tell this is viciously accurate

>>17580560
> just moved to japan 5 weeks ago
So where was your JET placement?

So when I get a card's meaning wrong and confuse it for another one, am I meant to do "again" on both since I can't differentiate between the two so easily?
What usually happens is that I have 2 cards that are similar to me (often they really aren't similar in meaning but similar in kanji used) so if I'll know one of the meanings well but I'll screw up on the other one because regardless of which I see, the meaning of the card I remember best comes to mind first.

E.g. 指定 / 規定 and 最適 / 指摘 aren't easy. If I see 指定 or 指摘 then I can easily recognize their readings and meanings, but if I see the other 2 (respectively) first then even if I get the reading right I often get the meaning wrong.

Am I meant to hit again on both the cards even if I got one of them right, or should I just give up after the 5th-ish time of getting them wrong and bury the card I can't get right?

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>>17580586
>should I just give up after the 5th-ish time of getting them wrong and bury the card I can't get right?
Your words choice suggests you know exactly how stupid and counter intuitive that would be. I trust you'll make the right choice. We're all gonna make it, anon.

>>17580586
Once you see a leech enough times for the day there's no point seeing it more times until tomorrow.

I put my threshold for burying cards at 8 times lapsed from the very first (<1m lapse) step.

あなたがここにいて天国寂しいね

天使が一人ないから

Will this get me mad japanese pussies?

>>17580819
I think they'd laugh at your shitty Japanese.

Where can I buy/pirate novels in text format? I'm just starting out so navigating Japanese Internet is impossible to me. I bought something before, but it turned out the site only offered images (sic!) of text.
I'm interested in ゴブリンスレイヤー
inb4
>CoR
Not there.

>>17580847
Whatever you say, N5-san.

>>17580860
Amazon (azw3) or Rakuten (Kobo epub). After you buy them remove the DRM with this and share them here. https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/

>>17580819
と外人君が言ったが、女性たちが言ったことを無視して歩いて続けました。
「ねぇねぇ聞いたかそれ久美子ちゃん？めっちゃキモいやろｗｗ」
「めっちゃ聞いたよｗなんやそれｗ必死な道程やんかｗｗｗｗ」
「だろう～ｗ」

>>17580819
キリスト教は邪教

頑張ってみんな
https://youtu.be/zhwLxNjK97A

>>17581149
僕の魂はイエスに救われたよ
君もその永遠の祝福を知るべし

>>17581185
いや全然
でも日本語はちゃんと使いましょうね爆笑

>>17580935
Cheapest VPN with Japanese servers? Or is there some other way to fool them?

>>17580819
和訳せよ

>>17580586
最適 is optimum, and guess what 最 means that 指 doesnt?

>>17578007
I've done it up to N4 and then sorta stopped for a while because I lost interest in learning Japanese. Recently got back into it an I'm redoing n5 and N4 while reading visual novels and talking to japs on periscope. Pretty comfy

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お場があれば、いつでも、どこでも食べられるカップめん。

How would you translate the above sentence, especially the ば part? I get what they're trying to say here, but why the fuck would you do it in such a borderline retarded, context dependant way? "If there's a place?". What the fuck.

>>17581378
Are you sure you didn't misread the kanji? If it's お湯 it makes much more sense.

>>17581378
>お場
Don't you mean お湯?

>>17581378
try not translating it and instead understanding the japanese

>>17581404
>>17581405
Well shit, now I deservedly feel like a retard. I'll just add お湯 to the anki folder I guess.

>>17578007
Yes, but the review counts are low (usually 15 at worst) and the average interval is ~9 months. However, I never did 6K because it felt like a waste of time to not start mining.

I can't stand anime anymore. What do I do?

>>17581463
Keep watching it until you like it again, or at least until you can't imagine life without it.

>>17581463
VNs

>>17581463
How were you ever able to stand anime? Anime is for people too lazy to read the manga or LN

>>17581240
Anyone knows?

>>17581503
softether is slow as fuck but it'll get the job done and won't try and rape you with advertising.

>>17581516
It's just an openVPN alternative.
(I see no severs list anywhere.)

お湯 retard here, めん can be used to refer to the surface of something, like おもて? It's the same kanji, after all.

丼にめんとお湯を入れて作るものです。-> pretty straightforward, but I have no idea why と is there.

>>17581547
麺とお湯

>>17581555
I swear to god, zkanji didn't give me the noodles option when I typed it in. This is probably why they should just include all kanji in a text. Thanks, the retardation continues.

from the grammar reference:
>...However, が is much weaker than 'but' in that it is sometimes used simply to combine two sentences for stylistic reasons even if those two sentences do not represent contrastive ideas...

is this also the case here?:
>「繰り返しますが、これはあなたがやらなければいけないことです」

>>17581562
then wtf did you think カップめん was
is this the power of computer-aided reading?

>>17581567
Shortened らめん。

See, people usually doubt when I tell them that Japanese turns my brain off, but I swear to fuck that I have zero affinity for it.

>>17580401
>complain that the konbini lady said, 上手ですね after you said おはようございます
This doesn't sound too bad. If everyone is impressed easily by a foreigner saying extremely basic phrases in Japanese, it'd at least be a nicer environment than here. And if you're worried about them treating you like a dumb baby, just carry on the conversation normally and they'd see pretty fast that you're actually good at talking.
You ARE good at talking, right?

>>17581576
らめん isn't even a word, it's ラーメン, 拉麺

>>17581542
vpngate

Apart from around 3000 Joyo+Jinmenyo kanji, how many would I need to know to understand proper japanese literature?

People say you shouldn't wait to X words before reading, but I waited until 1k. 今は、読みが楽しです！ まっているは時々よい決定でしょう。

>>17581656
Kanji are symbols. You don't learn to "understand" kanji. You learn words.

>>17581240
You don't need a VPN to use amazon.co.jp. Just add a Japanese address.

>>17581660
That attempt at a sentence is an excellent example of why you shouldn't have waited.

>>17581668
That's true, but apparently the store content is different if you view it from a foreign IP, especially when it comes to digital content.

>>17581669
Did I fuck it up somewhere? Anyway my point isn't that I know Japanese now or something. It's just that comprehension is much easier with some vocab in place.

>>17581669
more like why he is stupid for falling into the isolated vocab study trap lmao

>>17581675
Didn't know that, though it's moot in this case since what the guy wants is visible with a foreign IP.

>>17581697
>moot
Who?

>テンション　が　あがるのは　どっちー！！

I understand that this sentence is about raising someone's spirit, but could someone help me out regarding the role of どっち in this sentence?

>>17581660
文法をもっと練習した方がええで

>>17581661
I see that you're very smart, but that doesn't answer my question.

>>17581708
>Which one excites you more?
I'm a pure ankidrone though so I don't know shit.

>>17581710
Not him but you might want to define what "proper Japanese literature" is before you can get a satisfactory answer.

>>17581682
What are you trying to say anon? 'Sometimes waiting is a good decision'?

>>17581656
Define "proper literature." If you mean classics, then no and, furthermore, you'll have to learn a lot of archaic grammar patterns.

How to type Japanese under Linux? Ideally looking for something like the Windows IME where I can easily switch between English and Japanese, and can select between half-width, full-width, etc.

>>17581716
This makes sense in the context of the situation. Thank you!

>>17581721
Yeah I tried to say "Now, reading is fun! Waiting is sometimes a good decision (moderate uncertainty)".

>>17581722
>>17581717
20th century: Mishima, Natsume Souseki, Dazai

>>17581717
>>17581722
>please define your terms for we are autistic here Got it. I'm gonna assume proper literature is, at the least, anything beyond LN trash and kiddie stuff. Is that not an obvious conclusion to draw from the post?

>>17581729
Pretty sure you need to make まっている into a noun

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それはとってもいい話だ。

>>17581729
今、読むのは楽しいです！時々待ちはいい決定でしょう。
pls rate

>>17581682
>Did I fuck it up somewhere?
楽しです should be 楽しいです, you wrote 待っている without kanji and it should be 待つ anyway, 決定 and 時々 feel awkwardly used but aren't wrong I guess.
I'm not even close to fluency but I'd word it as:
今、読みが楽しいです！たまには待つのはいいことですね。

>>17581737
Nobody here has said that, schizophrenic.

Too stupid to edit the font of the 2k/6k deck. I have the font installed,. but how to edit the template to change to that font?

>>17581682
>Did I fuck it up somewhere?
Yes. 「読みが」 should be something like 「読むのが」

>>17581741
>>17581761
I clearly have a lot of reading to do. I think I'll wait a few more months before trying to write sentences here again...

>>17581779
Knowing how much further you have to go is always a good thing. We will make it!

>>17581761
今は読むのが楽しいです！待った方がいい場合もあります

>>17581779
ganbaru anon chan

>>17581668
I wanted to use rakuten though.
I found a japanese VPN, but still it somehow doesn't want to accept my money.
Do they check if credit card is from japan?

蝶よ花よ

>>17581814
No, but you need to use a fake Japanese address.

>>17581857
Disregard the numbers in first field, trying without them, still no success.
Still getting 'oops, something went wrong'.

>>17581866
>>17581857
Disregard the problem, after entering everything anew (different fake address) it worked.

I've been studying japanese for a week now, but there's something that confuses the heck out of me though, it's the ga and wa particles. I understand what wa is for, and how it establishes the topic, but i cant figure out what ga is for, and no matter how many videos or texts i read, i just cant seem to understand what its for or how it works. I thought someone on djt could give me a black and white explanation of how they work. With that being said, anyone know how the ga particle works?

>>17581923
Read more, you'll pick it up yourself. I still have no idea what the linguistic definition is, I just know where to put it.

Is ものべの good? How hard is it?

>>17581950
Hart wie Kruppstahl.

>>17581923
When you see them used in actual Japanese rather than textbook Japanese, you develop somewhat of an intuition on their differences. It sounds like bullshit but trust me it isn't. For now you can think of が as adding a hint of emphasis. (ex: 私が大将！？)

I think I'll try to find a tomodachi on Hellotalk for future help with difficult parts in my eroge.
Good idea yay or nay?

>>17581995
IF ANATA WERE KILLED ASHITA, I WOULDNT IKU 2 UR
FUNERAL CUZ ID B N JAIL 4 KILLIN DA BAKA THAT KOROSU U!
........, ,
`--/ KAWAII GUN ---] = = = = =(????)?*:???
...../==o;;;;;;;;__.: /
.....), -.(() /
....// (..) ), ----"
...////
..////
.////
WE TRUE TOMODACHI
WE RIDE TOGETHER
WE DIE TOGETHER

>>17581923
There was a very good explanation at the end of the last thread, but you might have to read the rest of your grammar guide before you can understand it.
Practically speaking は and が have a lot of very specific contextual uses so you'll probably end up memorising those instead of making some convoluted overall rule. XはYがZ is probably the sentence type you're most familiar with, there are many more like it each with their own special characteristics.

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>bought a book on Rakuten (money deducted from credit card, got confirmation email)
>it won't sync (tried both Windows (with VPN showing a japanese IP) and android clients, logged out and in multiple times)
>I can't contact the support because I bought it 'illegally'
Chinked.

Anybody knows if amazon is more trustworthy?

>>17582004
shit nigger you made my day

>>17582090
I've bought a couple magazines with bookwalker without issue, using my non-japanese card and not using VPN or anything,

>>17582090
You used this?
http://books.rakuten.co.jp/event/e-book/application/desktop/?scid=wi_kb_top_mainnavi_application_desktop

This guy says it works.
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/72780554/#72803668

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Damn I fucking suck, I sometimes stumble over the simplest sentences there are.
I interpret the sentence wrong and it makes no fucking sense.

Like this sentence for example
「真琴ちゃんは自分のことになると、急に厳しくなるんだもん」

For some reason I thought 自分 is referring to the speaker himself, not makoto the topic, so naturally what comes after it made no fucking sense.

I feel like I'm not making any progress, I read and while I understand whats going on 95% of the time, there is often a sentence where I think I missed a detail or every now and then I completely fail to understand like in my example.
The thing is I don't really notice that I'm improving, I feel like I learn one thing but forgot the other and there are a few words I have to look up every single time, cause I just can't get used to the concept of said word, how it works in what way it can be used.

Was watching episode 2 of Demi-chan wa Kataritai with JP subs and while switching them on and off caught a glimpse of the English ones. Context is the teacher is telling the dullahan girl that if she wants to get along with the other girls, she could try a light joke about her condition to let them know she's okay with them joking around with her and not avoiding talking about her condition.
>そういう仲を望むなら
>これくらいの冗談なら許容できますよと
>お前の方から冗談を言って
>線引きしてやればいい

And then the English:
>If that's the sort of friendship you want,
>you should tell some jokes to set a tone,
>so they'll know what kinds of jokes you can share with them.

"What kinds of jokes you can share with them?" What the fuck? I'm a little bit dumbfounded at this because this is my first time looking at fansubs since starting learning Japanese. All those years of trusting what the fansubs said. I'm actually a little mad because I feel like the English viewers are getting betrayed out of knowing what's actually being said. I thought I was supposed to hate EOPs but I just feel sympathy. Where can I trade in my indignation for a superiority complex?

>>17582004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQL6FMTnuyA

>>17582258
>"What kinds of jokes you can share with them?" What the fuck?
...and what is wrong with the translation?

>>17582258
every kid fresh outta tyler kim technical college thinks they know better than the subbers

>>17582281
>you can share with them
Sorry -- just noticed the English is weird and at first I read it as:
>you can share with each other

>>17578708
Would Primal Hearts be a better first start?

>>17582090
Try it on the Windows client without a VPN.

>>17582238
If you're fucking up and noticing it, of course you're progressing. I'm sure you'll be less likely to misinterpret 自分 in the future or at least quicker to notice your error. It's when you're not fucking up that you should be concerned for your progression.

>>17582358
I solved it already:
Turns out I had to log out of the account, uninstall the client and then use VPN from the very beginning (probably the fact that the very first time I logged in I wasn't using the VPN was fucking everything up). just reinstalling was not enough because they keep some shit in a hidden folder (appdata)
Though honestly, it's ridiculous, imagine a real Jap buying a new laptop and logging in overseas - not only would he be unable to read the books he bought for the whole fucking stay, but he would also have to go through some shenanigans to get his account to work.
Or the program is just extremely buggy and it's pure coincidence that it only now started working. I'm not willing to test it after all the time I've already wasted.

On another note:
Any Firefox epub reader that has vertical text support? (Firefox because Rikaisama).
Or do I have to rein the inner weeb in and settle for horizontal text?

>>17582288
Well, the subs are wrong either way, so my ability isn't too important, my capitally-challenged compadre.

>>17582288
Yeah. The line is not about letting her classmates know how awesome she is at telling jokes, like the English implies, but letting them know to what degree she's comfortable with talking about her condition and whatnot.

>>17582409
I'll tell you if you share the epub.

>>17582426
Ah sorry, forgot about that. Give me a sec.

>>17582419
dont worry we see kids like you a dime a dozen
wont be the first wont be the last
should you really be name calling when you dont actually have a clue

>>17582446
Point out what I said was wrong then. Sorry you can't. If you actually could you would have done it by now. You will either ignore this reply or reply with a stupid one-liner that still doesn't prove me wrong.

>>17582426
>>17582432
Goblin Slayer Volume 1 (RAW)
https://mega.nz/#F!H1FDXIJb!ABJ0P4DN4v_S-tdIIDLriw

>>17582467
Removing in a few hours because I'm a scaredy cat, hopefully someone uploads it to CoR or elsewhere.
Also, I hope >>17582426 will deliver.

>>17582419
Oops. The second reply here was supposed to be addressed to >>17582298

>>72803668
This should be added to CoR there's a lot of very popular stuff that can't be found in a text format.

>>17582494
I mean https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/72780554/#72803668

>>17582467
Thanks. Sadly the answer to your question is no, there is no such reader. Which one are you using for horizontal text?

>>17582516
To be honest, I can't find anything that would work well in non-e10s window (I'm using Firefox 04.08.2017 Nightly because it's faster thanks to multiprocess, but Rikaisama is not e10s compatible as of now so I have to open a new non-e10s window to use it).
Hopefully https://github.com/Anon3/orikaisama will make Rikaisama multiprocess compatible so I can use it in normal e10s. (Rikaisama still won't be webextensions compatible but I'm comfortable not upgrading FF until I learn Japanese).

>>17582537
For normal people I guess the featured epubreader will be enough.

>>17582537
Though I guess uncompressing the .epub and then opening the .xhtml is so easy that an epub reader is not really needed.

>>17582460
i mean whats worse helping a shithead or having him tell me i cant
it doesnt bother me none dude stay in your lane

>>17580525
No. Those are the one that SHOULD have smelltracks.

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>>17582559
You could do that and edit the stylesheet if vertical text is that important.

>>17582711
How exactly did you do it?

>>17582725
Scratch that, I think I get it, I don't need rikaichan, you just keep its text alignment to the normal one.

>>17582711
Do you also have the images inside the text? When I open navigation-documents.xhtml I only get the image that begins every chapter.

Hello I was wondering if somebody could help me understand this bit of Japanese?
私にしか表現できない君を引き出したいんだよ

I'm confused at 表現できない is it attached to しか or 君
私にしか表現できない (I can do nothing but perform,)
or
表現できない君 (you who can't perform)

Does this mean?
I can do nothing but perform, I want you to know this by heart.
or
I want to make you who can't perform learn know by heart, only I can do it.

>>17582751
That's because the art is on separate pages in the xhtml folder. Those links are only the first part of each chapter. If you want, I can merge all of the xhtml files into one big file, though that wouldn't work well with vertical text. (If you try to convert the epub to HTML in Calibre, it'll lose most of the images because of a bug in how Calibre handles svg tags.)

>>17582790
The speaker is a movie director or something? I want to bring out a you that only I can express.

>>17582288
jsyk you are making this post very frequently but I have never seen you contribute to this thread in any meaningful way

>>17582790
I want to bring out the you that you won't show anyone else.
私にしか表現できない
Can express only to me (which describes 君)

しかない or しか(negative verb) is a phrase that you should probably look up but in a sense it means "nothing but".

>>17582802
>Only I can express
>>17582830
>express only to me

I'm getting different answers here.

>The speaker is a movie director or something?
They're a pianist writing a song.

>しかない or しか(negative verb) is a phrase that you should probably look up but in a sense it means "nothing but".
I know that I just don't get the meaning of the sentence.

Also isn't 引き出したいhe second meaning here?
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/183776/meaning/m0u/

>臨機応変に活用できる、隠れ持った多様な知識や豊かな経験のたとえ。「―が多く、どんな役でもこなせる俳優」
To learn by ear,
That's why I put learn by heart.

>>17582419
It's worded a bit weirdly, but the English doesn't necessarily imply that at all. I'd like to see what you would have put.

>>17582852
That's the definition for 引き出し. The word in your sentence is 引き出す in たい form, not 引き出し with a random たい on the end. Have you even got halfway through your grammar guide?

>>17582852
I'm assuming 私に is "to me" unless there is some weird tomfoolery that the other guy noticed.
You looked up the definition of 引き出し when you should be looking at 引き出す
Going by your context, I'd guess that the pianist is attempting to write a song that will move the person he is referring to into showing an emotion or face. He wants to "bring it out". And of course, that expression is something he/she only shows to the pianist.

>>17582852
okay never mind 引き出し is a noun for remembering by ear.
eg;
>引き出し作曲術
>作曲の引き出しを増やすために

引き出したい isn't
>>17582888
yeah just found out overlooked that sorry.

>>17582890
>Going by your context, I'd guess that the pianist is attempting to write a song that will move the person he is referring to into showing an emotion or face. He wants to "bring it out". And of course, that expression is something he/she only shows to the pianist.

Yeah I guess it is that, thanks
I can only express myself, I want to bring you out.

>>17582852
>They're a pianist writing a song.
What are you reading senpai?

>>17582792
I can give up on the vertical text, but is there really no automated way to convert epub to html that doesn't lose images?

>>17582890
>>17582888
>>17582802
>>17582830

But yeah seriously thanks, I've been up the whole night probably just tired but I can't believe I mistook that as a noun. That retarded of me sorry.

>>17582829
whatever you gotta tell yourself jsyk

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So this image describes TE form as a progressive form. I read Sakubi and the explanation was different.
Can someone spoonfeed what Te form is in simple English (my English is not very good)

>>17582924
cont
Is it any better for azw or mobi?

>>17582852
I think it's "only I can express." This usage of に with できる is similar to phrases like
>素人にはとてもできないことです
It is not something of which an amateur would be capable.
It is fairly easy to find example sentences like this where に marks the thing for whom it is or is not possible.

For it to be "express only to me," then 私にしか表現できない would have to be a negative potential version of 私に表現する, and I can't find any example sentences for 表現する that uses に in this way.

>>17582924
I made a script to do so a while ago.
https://mega.nz/#!0YoGEahL!RGoQt5ZhutBKxiaJHJA3nOFqRF0mCSrnsTj1rVJXHwg

>>17583002
I'm not certain, but I think only Rakuten/Bookwalker use SVG tags to embed images, which causes the problem. I've seen it in azw3 and mobi files, but I assume they were converted from epub rather than sold by Amazon.

>>17583039
So in the future I should buy from amazon rather than from rakuten?
Or are there other problems when converting from their version.

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All I wanna do is understand my waifu without having her pure voice and meanings filtered through some grubby subbers fingers -_-

>>17583025
You conveniently left off 君; how would you explain that? Your example has は after the に where the sentence in question doesn't. That changes everything.
>To amateurs (mark as topic)
This doesn't happen here:
>私にしか表現できない君
This is just straight up, "to me" and then the rest modifies 君

What does とは mean

>>17583039
>https://mega.nz/#!0YoGEahL!RGoQt5ZhutBKxiaJHJA3nOFqRF0mCSrnsTj1rVJXHwg
Thanks for that. What's with the ridiculous spacing though?

Also, out of curiosity, is it normal that it has no paragraphs or is it yet another rakuten tomfoolery.

>>17583079
What does "what" mean?

日本酪農共同の乳飲料
Would this be translated as something along the lines of "Japanese Milk Products Association"?

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>>17583080
Most of the paragraphs in this particular book are one sentence long. I guess that's the ridiculous spacing you mention.

By the way, [蝸牛くも] ゴブリンスレイヤー 第05巻 on nyaa is the epub.

>>17583088
it-s not "what" all the time though