Elona

>>17437456
Is Aesthetic Sense actually useful for a food shop? I didn't think much item trading happened when selling food. Do you end up getting herbs or something?

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>>17437485
フゥ～!


>>17437509
I sometimes had seeds and herbs in food shop. And you'll switch to blacksmith later anyway, without being able to change feats.

>>17437572
You can change feats by replacing your shopkeeper. Best to avoid having to do that, of course.
And I'm starting to think you're right about skipping Elegance. Even gear worth ~1m GP sells without it, right? It can't be that big of a boost...

>>17437718
>And I'm starting to think you're right about skipping Elegance. Even gear worth ~1m GP sells without it, right? It can't be that big of a boost...
Probably good only for low ranked shops, but then you could get it only once shop is sufficiently ranked. Maybe its better to peek into source to determine how it works, but i'm afraid that part is especially difficult to decipher (as usual).

I want a lot of scrolls of curse. Is my only option finding them randomly on dungeon floors?

>>17437745
I've seen them in shops, and they are often dropped in puppy cave and such.

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Working moongates when?

>>17437745
Why would you want to curse something anyway?
From an old guide, the best reason I could see is people trying to purposely suppress attribute ups or something, to gain as little EXP as possible, but that doesn't seem to work anymore.

>>17437771
There are many additional effects on cursed consumables. Reduced stats for ini reset, height/weight fiddling, flying scrolls and so on.

>>17437771
Main thing I use them for is cursing flying scrolls. Adds weight to my swords to make them decent for 2 hand and giving extra crit damage.

>>17437788
I think you could use blessed scroll of curse to curse whole stack.

>>17437771
There are a number of rods and potions that have interesting effects when cursed, like cursed rods of speed will age someone when used

>>17437786
>>17437788
>>17437806
Oh I hadn't considered any of that. The Flying Scrolls I had, at least, but the rest... I guess I don't look at a lot of what the Cursed effects of things are, as I just instinctively sell them.

I still have so much to learn...

>>17437757
Yeah I went to the puppy cave in the end. Curse scrolls are low value and that's what mostly generates there, the levels are small, and you can quickly generate a new level. I got ~10 in a couple minutes. This reasoning should apply to other low level items too

I just keep bottles of cursed water that I find. They're not common but I don't need em that often anyway.
Easier to use than curse scrolls too.

>>17438045
And if you did run low, you could use the old Nethack trick of dipping a stack of water into one cursed water to make a stack of cursed water.

>>17438092
Oh, true.
God bless roguelike logic.

>>17438045
>>17438092
Holy shit I hadn't thought of this. I even ascended with the amulet years ago, where did my tricks go

>>17438045
Will the feat that blocks curses prevent you from dipping things in cursed water? Or the cursing itself like scrolls of curse?

>>17438353
I don't think it stops dipping, but curse scrolls may call the same function that having a curse cast at you does which means the feat could block curse scrolls.

how do you farm water bottles with non-combat PCs?

>>17438419
Yep this feat blocks curse scrolls precisely. They still work since its not a 100% chance to resist with thst feat.

>>17438429
Same way you farm them with combat PCs.
Get Pot for Fusion item, use its Distillation recipe.
wood chip + salt solution + rod of fire wall = bottle of water

What the hell is potion of gem?

>>17438454
Buff potion. +Cha and Con(?)

>>17438454
It gives you the Gem spell effect. Which, for some reason, I can't find on the wiki. Maybe its a newer spell and no one added it yet.

>>17438462
And resistance to confusion.
There's a spellbook too. I guess it's a recent addition?

>>17438468
Gem spell and effect was added in 1.70 so yeah, recent.

>>17438440
And how do you farm firewall rods? Endless fields of magic plant farms?

>>17438465
There is a spell info for Gem in spells/technical comment.
A great spell for farming music tickets with dance.

>>17438512
That, plus dungeons and decently ranked "goods" vendors

>>17438512
I often get multiple with every refresh of my goods vendor, they are quite common. Actually goods vendors sell food including herbs, flying/gain material/change/superior material scrolls, rods, deeds, furniture, and random gear too. They're great.

>>17438608
I've got my home right next to Port Kapul
Will general vendor do as well? Cant remember if it sells rods too.

>>17438661
General vendor does not sell rods, only tools, furniture, ammo/cloaks, and ores. But there is a goods vendor in Kapul right next to the general vendor in the main square

>>17438672
Yeah, simply though maybe i could get second source of rods. Thank you.

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Is it a mistake to spread out the damage like this? My reasoning in picking multiple elements is that inflicting a lot of ailments will be helpful for a long time before enemies start becoming immune to everything.

>>17438708
you'll have to spam nightmare first with this. Or get some pet that spams it for you, since spellpower is not that important for nightmare/elemental scar

>>17438708
I'd rather get lightning/ice instead

>>17438718
Ah good, I have multiple pets with nightmare procs on their weapons.

>>17438739
When leveling say a lightning/ice spear, would you put all 10 levels into one element?

>>17438739
You get less damage than other elements if you go for Magic, but at least with that you don't need to worry about debuffing every enemy for maximum efficiency.

>>17438750
The first level of any elemental damage enchantment gets you more damage than the subsequent levels, mind you.

>>17438758
Huh, so if you're going for maximum damage, half ice/half lightning would be better than pure lightning?

>>17438750
I have no data to prove that multi-element weapons deal less total damage. Just focus on getting the same element type for all pets, so that you wont need both debuffs for full damage.
I'd recommend ice/lighting because:
1. megid flame deals max level elemental scar to all enemies
2. wet enemies take much more damage, and bombs don`t explode.

>>17438768
Noone was anal enough about this to check source for actual formula. its all assumptions right now.

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Ehekatl or Lulwy next?

>>17438772
Yeah I'm just fishing for info, I haven't dealt with living weapons before so this is all new to me. Everything about them seems to have been drastically changed in 1.43, then again in 1.67, and the formulas as you say don't seem to have been posted anywhere.

>>17438793
I wonder if wishes are affected by rare drop %% now. Had 3 wishes in one dungeon once, 2 of them from 1 fountain.

>>17438819
I'm inclined to say no, as while unique artifacts drop like candy for me, wishes are still far and few between.
Unless 1.70 changed that or something.

>>17437806
>drop all my shit
>run out of room
>drop the rest someplace else
>read curse scroll to curse a potion for added duration/effect
>belt gets cursed instead
>fuck, unequip and drop gear
>read scrolls
>pick up all my shit
>equip all my shit
such a fucking hassle, and most items affected by this don't have predictable results and require troops to the wiki to verify. cursed acid? more damage. cursed poison? less damage.

>>17438092
I tried that and it didn't work, you can dip water into water.

>>17439074
can't*

>>17439074
Wow what really? That's fucked up. Well if you use the make water recipe, it comes out in various BUC flavors. I get about 10% blessed 10% cursed. If ano ever changed that I don't know what I would do, since I have exorcist feat.

>>17439074
(T)hrowing at stack of items didnt work?

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>>17439074
You're right! I just checked, and water doesn't show up on the target list! Weird, I was sure you could get more cursed water that way... I guess it's more of a rarity than I thought.

>>17439149
Pretty sure that'd just create a puddle without affecting the items.

Can anyone explain how defender's absolute protect works? Does it use defender's or protected char's resistances/damage reductions to calculate damage done? What happens when the protected target got metal bit?

>>17439151
It seems to be a precaution from players just keeping one blessed/cursed bottle and dipping all the rest into it. Prohibiting that is totally unnecessary, since blessing water otherwise is trivially easy and dipping would still cost you one bottle each time.

>>17439306
I think you generally can't dip potions into other bottles of the same potion, and they just didn't go out of their way to make an exception for water.

>>17438708
If all you want is damage, I'd recommend going all-in magic if you're not debuffing, all-in nether if you're debuffing with Nightmare, all-in lightning and ice (mix is fine) if you're debuffing with element scar and/or wet.

So I've come back to Elona after a year or so, and started up a new character recently. I set up an estate and got a maid, and now after meeting with the 3 people waiting for me, I now have a citizen and a guild trainer who are taking up a space each being counted as a servant. Making it so I'm unable to hire anyone else even though I've only hired a maid and two magic shop owners so far. I've tried killing them but they still seem to count towards my servant count, and there's no dialogue option to fire them.

Is there a way to fix this?

>>17439358
Time. Time will fix everything. dont invite until you fill house with traders

>>17439358
They hang around for a long time, but eventually they will disappear. However, it's such a nuisance that I just don't have a maid anymore.

Was cute fairy nerfed to only once/day? I don't want to switch gods unless I need to and I thought I heard this happened

>>17439692
Yep both golden goose and cute fairy give reward only once between sleeping.

>>17439702
Aw, that's way too finicky. Oh well. Thanks!

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>>17439717
Her worth cant be measured by such a useless thing as Utility Value in Elona.

>>17439759
So are you playing a golem, or a fairy?

>>17439765
Everyone is a golem in comparison to cute fairy.

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>>17439829
Uh, about that.
You might want to check their height.

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>>17439834
I didnt try to breed it, ya kno.

But, seriously is it possible to get more than 1 cute fairy/goose? and will they get separate timers, if yes?

>>17439860
It might be doable with an astral light pen?

>>17439860
80cm is small child size. Are you playing a paedohile?

And yes, you can get up to one god pet per ten ranks in faith. Duplicates work fine within this limit.

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>>17439878
>Are you playing a paedohile?
I'm not sure what answer do you expect.

Do i have to abandon god, toss this god's servant in doujou/discarded ranch and then get this servant again?

>>17439899
You don't have to do anything special at all. Just restart your reward progression by reconverting to them and get the first god reward.

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I love my little catsister, but she dies if anything sneezes on her. Any King Hearts easier to get than the one from Frisia?

>>17439927
Tag someone tanky with your catsister. Tag leader protects it's follower from time to time.
And, Frisia is easy, why? Just enhance all armor pieces a bit and its all good.

>>17439908
Neat. Thank you.

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How do you get a full body portrait to work? It just keeps on giving me errors when i try it

>>17439982
You need 300x500 24 bit bmp without any additions.
0.0.0 black is transparent.

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>>17439990
Well it didn't crash but now i'm stuck with just a black picture as the portrait

>>17440041
elona\user\graphic2\face1_B.bmp
face1_E.bmp
face1_F.bmp
face1_H.bmp
For full body portraits, BEFH represent different emotions.

user\graphic\ is for portraits and stuff

>>17440068
Wait, so the full body portrait option is not the same as the normal portrait option in apperance? How the hell do i pick change my pet to use it then? I feel so stupid right now...

I last played elona+ back in 1.3, I think, and am thinking of picking it back up again.

My only question is, how viable is a max DV /min PV build nowadays?

I'm looking to remake my fairy dual wield battlecaster in the lastest version.

>>17440137
>Min PV
In elona+, scrolls of flying no longer decrease dv/pv
so with enough grindan your fairy can deck her self out in a full set of 0.9 stone adamantium plate armor

>>17440215
What if I want to wear the the dangerous swimsuit?

>>17440225
Less grindan necessary.

>The <Argent Snow> (an armor of Mayroon unidentified) is an armor piece exclusive to Elona+. It is obtained as a reward from <Marka> the silver bear after completing the Castle of Ice quest as part of Erystia's quests.



"It speeds up your travel progress [#] (+2)."

? Enchantment power 2? Does this even do anything?

>>17440569
Isn't that the same enchantment as seven league boots? Granted, at a much lower enchant level.

>>17440580
I think enchantment power matters here, people say Dal-I-Thalion is worse than SLB, and SLB is power 500. Dal is power 100. This is power 2. So... it saves me like a minute of travel time?

>>17440591
Oh, that's what you were concerned about. I thought you didn't know what "It speeds up your travel progress" meant.

>>17440600
On second thought maybe whoever did this wiki page has brain problems. It also says
>It makes you a better tailor [#] (+2)
Usually that'd be somewhere around, what, 300? Unless it's serious and it actually just grants negligible bonuses as some kind of a joke, I guess these numbers aren't right. If I ever get this thing I'll post its actual stats and try not to scream

Does the Young Lady's Throw Potion special action depend on throwing skill? Should I take away her melee weapon and give her a panty to kill things with so she stays up to snuff?

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>>17440611

>>17440626
No, it depends on alchemy and magic device. Throwing only increases how far she can throw her potions without missing, but that doesn't matter much because her default AI throws them point-blank.

>>17440634
Looks like someone on the wiki just dropped some 0's and listed the wrong skill.

>>17440634
Okay now that's legitimate. Thanks-

>850 cold resist
Wow.

Anyone have suggestions for a good music pack?
I tried to use the one that comes with Beautify, but while the music is very nice it all seems to somber or serious 100% of the time for a game like elona.

Do any of the music packs catch that weird mix of thrilling adventure and silliness elona has?

>>17440711
I like the Etrian Odyssey music pack, but I admit I'm biased as I like EO's OST in general.

What's the password for the /jp/ music pack?

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I installed the game and get this error, what's going on?

>>17441301
Forgot to mention I get this error after character creation ends, I get some lore wall of text, screen goes black then I get the error..

>>17439860
Yes I have multiple, you can actually put yours on a ranch and they will pop out kids. I used it to get a female cute fairy when I got a male one. Since their breed power is extremely low don't expect a ranch full, but one within a couple months should be likely.

>>17440133
You change full body portraits with the ''change the atmosphere'' option when talking to the pet.

>>17441306
>>17441301
Obviously, you didnt istall it correctly. Unpack elona+ 1.70 and, if you want, extract elona custom 1.70.1 on top of it.

Can I change my shop's category without losing my rank/feats for that shop?

>>17441488
yep, at no cost.

how do i make my loli equip what i want, how do i check her stats, why is she dissapearing sometimes even tho i have her on leash and have cargo food. i told her to eat from my inventory is she starving to death ?

>>17441576
(G)ive her equipment. Go to the informer and pay money to investigate ally to check her stats. She is probably disappearing because she has a cursed piece of equipment. She doesn't actually need to eat, but she will eat items you give her or that she walks over on the ground.

When you find a stethoscope, use it on her to see her health bar and whether she is hungry (blue bar) or full (red bar).

>>17441576
i>select pet>inventory
investigator npc, near the trainer or wizard npc in most towns
cursed equipment makes chara teleport randomly
pets dont eat cargo food

>>17441603
You know that you can press tab when giving with G to go into their inventory right? Beats going through the menu every time

>>17441618
New player may unravel all wonders of interaction with pets this way. Although i do use G instead as well.

>>17441631
Ah good, these things aren't really obvious and took me a long time to stumble across. Other things I only figured out recently like * to keep track of skills, * when dropping to drop continuously, being able to also track spells with *, being able to change your own name by (i)nteracting with yourself, collecting all materials your pets have gathered at once by (i)nteracting with yourself and choosing collect materials. Oh and not being limited to hotkeys 0-9 (press when selecting item or skill to assign it to the key), but you can hold ctrl and press a number to have another set of hotkeys.

>>17441576
If you enabled eating food from inventory with elona custom's menu, they will eat food from THEIR inventory, not player's.
Food is only used for attribute growth for pets, it serve n other purpose, with an exception of Cute Fairy and Golden Goose pets, those drop daily reward for being fed.

>>17441331
Oh it works now, thought that was for something else lel.
Time to try to find a sprite to fit the full body portrait...

>>17441657
Someone mentioned that supposedly pets don't starve because they are magically linked to their owner's life force.

>>17441618
>G to go into inventory
I've been going through that menu every time like a damn chump

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i found a nice thing i think !

not sure what 'maintains' means tho

>>17441733
''It maintains'' means that it protects your stat from being lowered. However because restory body/mind potions are common, lowered stats are easily fixed anyway. That's a pretty good early cloak, you'll be protected from traps and nerve arrow spells.

i was escorting a public performer to a city and he fucking blow up himself...

>>17441838
His performance art is suicide

>>17441838
He creates music via controlled explosions.

what the fuck does evochat do for allies? Is it just for flirting? I didn't even notice an affection change.

>>17441674
Yeah, pretty sure that is mentioned in one of the flavor text books.

>>17440739
Well I do like Etrian Odyssey. I'll give it a shot.

>>17441995
you can give pets 100k gold up to 10 times per day with it.
Aside from allowing players being suga daddy/momma i dont think it gives any other benefits right now. Its a shame, i know.

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New version of the Younger Sister Pack for 1.70. I updated the character and item spritesheet and updated the face sheet for NPCs too.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/t9p0l7l9c5u47kk/Younger+Sister+Pack+9.RAR

>>17441995
>>17442020
If you evochat with a pet, that ''happy'' meter at the bottom fills and stays that way for a while. When filled, it's supposed to make their boost gauge fill faster. Kai, that almost level 7000 player also mentions this in his guide. Honestly I haven't noticed much of a difference but I believe it

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>>17442052
Thank you oniichan for always supplying me with quality imoutos

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>>17442210
Glory to imoutokind.

So I still don't understand this.
If you want a lategame MA build, do you want 10 arms and 2 hands for glove damage and just use twin edge and shoot slot drake rod, or do you go all out with 8 hands, or do you not do any limb adding beyond 13 slots because speed is precious?

>>17442226
I don't know that extra arms give extra MA attacks, like it does for DW.

>>17442239
Oh ok. MA itself is what gives the extra attacks huh. So just add arms/rings until uncomfortable with speed loss?

>>17442248
MA just has an extra attack cap of 8, you still need to provide the extra attacks with gear.
DW gets more [base] attacks per turn (note there's no "furthermore"s without +extra attacks) if you have more arms, each of which can have a set of extra attacks set off of them.

>>17442269
That or I'm grossly misinterpreting what I've seen in the tests, which is a possibility.

>>17442248
riding completely negates speed penalty from extra arms. It even works if you are the one who is ridden.

If you play custom, i could give you a theoretical ideal build for MA PC.

>>17442612
I do, thank you, what is this theoretical build? I just assumed riding was bad because of how easy it is to get high speed, but I guess it's easier for a pet to get high speed.

>>17442679

Ride evolved black angel.

Teach her the following: uncontroll, hero, cure of jure, ligh heal, shield, feather, holy veil, elemental shield, bubble storm

Give her shield and shield tonfa, in hand slots and ranged weapon of choice. Nightmare or yekatect's coin are good choices, another one is to give her extra hand for staff that boosts thrown stones and a good stone.
You need to look for equipment that enhances her spells, reduces physical damage/sometimes nullifies damage.
Her ai should jure heal when she or player is below 80% hp and ligh heal when player got confused status.
Constantly apply buffs: uncontroll when not in fury status > speed > lulwy's trick > boost > hero > other buffs, with bubble storm and then ranged attack being at the end. If you have free ai slot add command to use light heal when player hp>10% or something, or else she'll spam log with errors. Switch defensive buffs depending on what you need, ai slots are limited.

Say 'weee~' and start riding this.

Use uncontroll when necessary, she should heal your confused status after that. Use attribute with ice/lightning element.
Gemini pistols, twin edge, cestus of meteors and other equipment that provides absolute piercing attack, chance of extra attack (no need to have more than 2-3k extra attack rating) and + critical chance. Proximity Assist Weapon is always welcome. Not sure if garok's hamer'ed bullet will give crit chance to melee. Hands should always be empty.
You wont need more than 4 rings for extra attacks, at least 1 or better 2 back slots, 1 amulet, head, rest is arms.
Dragon/fox brother with megid flame is very welcome.

At endgame you'll get around 5k speed in combat with this mount and could spam uncontroll for crazy damage boost.

>>17442857
All this time I didn't even realize heal fixed confusion, due to obviously not wanting to cast anything while confused. This is an incredible sounding build, seems pretty good for a snail run. 5k speed in combat, that's probably faster than light. Could figure it out if we knew how big in miles an overworld tile is. 5k speed and constant uncontroll', with all buffs always active, that's insane.
This is incredibly informative and seems really difficult to beat. Thank you!

>>17442992
And it seems that NPC dont even get confusion after casting. uncontroll. Too bad you'll need your own hero/concentration and so on buffs since only mount's speed is applied to PC.

>>17443022
I mean that's pretty acceptable given the massive power this affords

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>dungeon
>boss monster is a fucking bell
>I figure it'll just disappear
>laughingchimes.jpg
>cast magic for 1 dmg and it goes on an autistic rampage, fleeing and destroying every wall in sight while regenerating
>"i just have to chase it until it leaves right?"
>this keeps up for 300 turns
>it never leaves
>randomly spawned bullshit slowing my pursuit to a crawl
>magic of any kind does nothing at all, cant even debuff the fucker's defense
>basically going through the list of shit i can possibly do to find something that works- gauge release, fire breath, throwing beer and coffee, whatever the fuck i can think of
>accidentally throw a hero potion at it
>super sperg jackhammers through the dungeon
>me and this swole bell are just benny hilling around the dungeon floor
>it gets within one tile of me and i try to put it to sleep
>h y p n o t i s m h u r t s i t
>it gets itself into a dead end and stops ripping and tearing through the walls
>spend the next 20 turns rubbing and cuddling this satanic hell bell to death
>i get absolutely nothing of value for the past 10 minutes of tard wrangling

i want to die

>>17443182
No, you want dye. You could have thrown one poison or dye on it and killed it instantly

>>17443182
Quasi-heroic tard wrangling is pretty much the name of this game

>>17443182
*ring*

>>17443182
Rubbing golden bell to death. Always see something new here.

>>17443209
Platina bell*, sorry.

>>17442857
>Hands should always be empty.
The wiki claims that you can put claws and tonfas in your hands and still use martial arts.
Is it just lying to me?

>>17443326
You can, but having those in your hands lowers the extra attacks you can get.

did i fuck up if i killed a child dragon ? i accidently hit it in dungeon.

>>17443687
Neutrals don't give you any penalty, you are free to attack them. This also goes for beggars and bards in towns, nobody cares if you kill them. It's not against the law, so there is absolutely nothing wrong with shooting a cute baby dragon that follows you around and tries to help you

Of course if you kill them you can't monsterball them.
220 life plus eventual Megid Flame is a nice package.

But you can always find a new one. Puppy cave is infinite.

>>17443693
i feel so guilty after shooting it.

>Feeling guilty about killing dogs/cats/child@dragons
>Proceeds to farm Gwen in Yowyn

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wchih one of those are the strongest ? how do you count it like a machine gun would be 10*2 +12 ?

>>17443765
That (12) is the bonus to accuracy

The average of XdY is X*(Y+1)/2, so the machinegun does an average of 15 damage per hit, the rifle does 12.5, and the repeating bow does 14

Note that you should be putting the ranged weapons in your "shoot" slot, not your hand. You need a bullet or arrow equipped as well, then fire it with 'f'.

>>17443765
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ranged_Weapons#Elona+_changes
Is the main thing you should take account of when looking at ranged weapons.

>>17439358
It's a bug with custom, I experienced this earlier as well

>>17443765
Depends on what you consider "Strongest"; hardest hitting maximum or a more stable damage range?
http://anydice.com/program/c827 Clicking "Graph" shows it in an easy format. Left axis is % chance to hit that damage while bottom is damage.
Machine gun has a more stable range but the rifle can hit the hardest (but also the lowest). Note that this only considers the dice rolls and no other bonuses like to-hit,% piercing, skills etc.

>>17443765
Basically if you're looking for what weapon hits the hardest all the time then look for XdY+Z
Where X is the highest possible number and +Z is as high as possible.

Anyone else's game lag out on the appearance screen? Everything else is fine.

>>17443939
>>17443910
I dunno why you bother with all that dice crap. Its a simple thing:
Machinegun is great for noobs to shoot at 4-6 tile range, it hits really well even with low skills. Its simply the most reliable ranged weapon, together with laser gun.

Sniper is great for highly skilled chars, since you can one-hit kill targets from the other side of the map, but you wont be able to hit even Shena's ass if you try to use it with noob char.

>>17444002
I've had this problem with vanilla elona on some ancient Intel HD graphics video years ago. It goes away if you remove ripple effects in options.

>>17444003
You've never read any of the pages on distance modifiers or how damage works have you. You don't even play this game at all do you. Machine gun is best range 2 or 3, good damage between 1 and 4. Sniper rifle falls off on last tile just like all others. One-hit kill means nothing. No such thing as a weapon that always kills its target from full health no matter what. bait successful, I replied

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>>17444048
Sniper rifle does actually have 2 more range than laser pistol before it drops to 20% damage.
For some reason its falloff is actually worse than the laser pistol at 6-7 range though.

I feel like it should be 10 that whole way, and then only drop to 50% at max range or something.

Anyone has the monster sprite sheet numbered or where to get it? I want to individually change certain mob sprites and so and I am only missing the ids on each mob sprite (Playing on Elona+ Custom 1.70)

>>17444065
Personally I think the sniper rifle is underpowered. I can see why the machine gun would be worse than the laser pistol but there's no such thing as rate of fire intrinsic to the guns themselves, so aside from damage it seems much worse than laser pistol

What is the point of this game

>>17444048
Best range != can shoot only at that range. Its one of the few weapons that can shoot at safe 4-6 range and deal proper damage. Most importantly, noob can actually hit with it, better than with any other weapon. Sniper rifle is horrible at shooting that close for new chars. Range mod is good, but unreliable hitrate bakes it a dangerous weapon, especially once target gets at range of 1-2.

As for one-hit kills, ever heard of burst ammo? Decapitation? Extra ranged attacks? Invokes? 370s ammo crits? Go back to wikia, you didnt get foundation solid enough to argue on that matter.

>>17444073
I think one of the mods> spritepacks from the op paste included it.

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>>17444091
Jerking off at Shena's ass is the main point.
Additionally, adoring little sisters.

>>17444098
And Killing Gwen.

>>17444092
You phrased your whole post like an idiot.
>Sniper is great for highly skilled chars, since you can one-hit kill targets from the other side of the map, but you wont be able to hit even Shena's ass if you try to use it with noob char.

This is some CoD bullshit. You didn't say anything about multipliers or special ammo. I know what those things are you fucking pig retard, but the fact is you're responding to posts that are responding to an actual new player and not offering any info other than "noob char cant hit for shit" End your goddamn life in real life

>>17444091
marrying your pet imouto so you can teach her carpentry and turn her into a sweatshop slave crafting goods to sell in your shop

>>17444112
>Implying we care about insults
kek

>>17444065
Honestly sniper rifle should have 10 from range 6-10, otherwise whats the point of even of it being a sniper rifle if it's shit at long range.

>>17444112
I clearly said 'its great for highly skilled player', are you blind? And dont spew saliva on your screen, thats gross. Be civil, civil.

Noob is a new char, and new char is a noob even if you played elona since before it was even released.

And, as a conclusion, noob should pick machinegun. Once you get skilled enough char, you may consider sniper rifle or simply using railgun like 90% of oher players.

>>17444122
Honestly all that range is kinda pointless with Elona maps, you dont really have LoS at targets at this range.

Is there some way to change the fact that the very top tiles of the map seem to be 'covered' by the game's own title bar? I always notice my pets killing, or shooting at things, at the very top of the map which I literally can't see, because those tiles seem to exist off the screen. And to walk towards them means I can't see myself anymore.

Can you not change the appearance of a pet? Want to edit my little girl but only switching portraits seems to do anything. You can move the hair etc. sliders but appearance doesn't actually change.

>>17444270
Toggle option at the bottom of the appearance window- something something custom.

Also youcould change shape for sprite image taken from user/graphics folder. It will be used in various menus where you select that pet even if you use custom appearance.

>>17444301
Thanks!

new player here. whats the best way to increase hp?

How does the "teach words" function work exactly?
Does it just add a sentence to my pet that it randomly says from time to time?
Also can you delete sentences they have learned or is it permanent?

>>17444589
level up
increase your constitution, e.g. through mining or farming + eating horses from a ranch
take the Ascetic line of feats
str and will also increase hp but to a much smaller degree than con

>>17444605
thanks

>>17442052
The file won't extract in 7-zip for some reason. Can someone upload this as an image?

>>17444589
Mining

please don't break my heart, kumi

How do you save? All S does is search my surroundings

>>17445354
F1.
Its preferrable to avoid save-loading if possible, since enemies will drop rare shit only after 10 real time minutes after game load.

>>17445354
Hitting escape and selecting exit when you're finished playing will save the game and close the game down as well.

>>17445365
Oh is that what people mean by that ten minute rare drop thing? I thought it was people saying if you left the game idle for like ten minutes, you got some kind of boost to rare drop rate.

>>17445365
>>17445534
What the fuck? That's some dumb bullshit and they don't even say this happens?

How do you even know if you have the penalty?

>>17445745
You can't. I thought it was common knowledge that Ano doesn't like fun.

>>17445745
Someone in Japan suggested savescumming and developer had an autistic fit.

>>17445760
>>17445752
After doing a bit of reading, apparently Elona+ Custom's saving function tweak disables the penalty?

>>17445745
Pretty sure it was in the changelogs.

>>17445745
>>17445752
Is it really so hard to not save scum and stay alive for 10 mins? I mean this game is very forgiving to begin with if you're not playing in that mode with perma death.

Non-atistic min-maxer(lol) guys, you can simply elosnack your saave if you want to avoid RNG influence in game which is built entirely on RNG.

>>17445745
And you, in particular, dont go full retard. Ano added _bonus_ drop if you dont savescum. He didnt decide to rape your mom and sell your sis as a punishment for savescumming.

As for the full info about the feature(99% of new features are announced in changelgs explicitly, tho Ano's changelogs are mile-long all the time):

In one of the updates Ano removed quickload feature and added enforced autosave on most important rolls. In exchange for that, there has been the following additions:

- Nefia Fewer event which happens on months when Etherwind dont happen. During this event clock is surrounded by fires, all dungeons get a metric crapton of gathering spots, auto-identified items that spawned on floors and some other additions to make dungeon diving extremely lucrative.

- Rare drop flag which boosts drop of rare items(precious artifacts mostly) by (infinity-1)%.

If you still think its unfair, you can install Custom mod and disable anti-savescumming. Or use cheat engine. Or hack saves with Elo Snack program.

Is there any set guidelines to skill potentials and how to spend bonus skill points? Like what a good percentage to keep them at is?

I started this file not too long ago and I'm bouncing back and force between 50%~100% skill potentials for my cooking/fishing skills. I've been told it's best to learn as many skills as possible first before actually raising potential with coins.

playing latest Elona+

>>17445847
Keep skill potential as high as you can and use bonus points on hard to raise skills or skills that you see yourself using a lot.

>>17445847
If 100% is as good as you can do at the moment so be it but strive for 400% potential if you can swing it.

>>17445847
For actively trained skills keep around 100% until you have a very good plat income. For passively trained skills(riding, weight lifting, meditation, traveling) its better to keep potential as high as you can afford. Sleep recovers some potential, so you can ignore most skills you are not focused on - they'll still grow somehow.

>>17445847
And, yes, its better to learn all new skills first before upgrading potential. Spending plat on potential will increase cost of acquiring new skills, up to 15pp limit.

whats the best way to spend 40k i made ? (level8)

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>>17445819
I am playing in permadeath and even then the game is very forgiving if you survive past the first couple hours. Loss and Natural mode also disincentivize save scumming by giving you a massive stat+speed penalty hex, -100 karma, and *permanent* -5(%) life/mana if you do not save and load normally through exiting the game.

>>17445947
Go to the blacksmith, get your favorite armor pieces and your weapon to +2 or 3. Huge survivability boost.

>>17445947
Get 40k more, buy a deed of ranch, catch a rabbit or putit and breed it here. Get a big brush item and (a)>rub newly bred animals once a day, upon killing they'll give very expensive loot if you rubbed them a few times.

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Rank 107 shop with potion of descent.

wat.

>>17446002
I also got one this way recently, it was a pleasant surprise

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mfw a mad scientist whomst i killed joined my party for some reason

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>>17446021
Some unique enemies join this way.

BTW< apparently its impossible to bless gain material scrolls now. And i prepared a stack of 200 to bless. Evil Ano is Evil.

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Thanks Ehekatl!

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>>17446078
WTB> Coconut Crab

the longest casino session with 5 chips

Wait, I need to pay taxes for fighters gulid ?

>>17446038
>impossible to bless gain material scrolls now
What do you mean, they do not show up when selecting what to bless with holy water? I find this hard to believe, there is absolutely no reason to change that

>>17446368
Yep, neither wonder nor gain material scrolls show up in (B) mix window. Probably made to encourage dungeon diving with nefia fewer, idk.

>>17446375
Nevermind, was a weird glitch while standing on specific spot on my warehouse.
I have no idea how did that happen.

>>17446341
Pretty sure being in the fighters guild just gives you extra money to your no monthly stipend.
That indirectly increases your taxes since it is also based on the gold you have on your person, but I don't think the guild itself adds fees.

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>>17446375
>>17446400
Never alert me or my little girl with a false alarm again

>>17446516
Bi-monthly

looking for info on sub action probability for custom npcs
according to a post linked on the wiki, normal action probability takes 5 parameters, each one has a 20% chance to proc, but I want something like 4%

>>17446526
Dunno about custom npcs, but source tells me that all NPCs got a whole bunch of different classes of AI slots, like

cdata(202, rc) = 1
cdata(207, rc) = 90
cdata(208, rc) = 1
cdata(209, rc) = 5
cdata(215, rc) = 418, 613, 616, -1, -1
cdata(220, rc) = 445
cdata(212, rc) = 15
cdata(211, rc) = 405

For <shell king of vindale>

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>Attempting to acquire fox brother
>Wiki says the only way is to read mysterious diaries
>Have already read four diaries
>Decide to savescum them
>Read diaries for one hour straight
>One hour of open, enter, enter, enter, r, enter, close
>Still no fox brother
WHAT AM I DOING WRONG

>>17446576


1. Actually read wiki, carefully.









1.a. finish related quest first
1.b. make a mysterious diary via pot of fusion

>>17446576
Oh, I'm also level 21 if that helps.

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>>17446583
I like to think I read wiki pages from top to bottom, but just for you, I read it EXTRA CAREFULLY. Even the comments.

I do not see mention of a related quest anywhere.

>>17446576
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.60_-_1.69
>Changed the chance of summoning a fox brother from a mysterious diary from 2% to once every 12 diaries.

>>17446596
Oh, time to take a nap for me. Mixed up with another diary. I'm genuinely sorry.

Welp, anyway, good luck. Chance was impossibly low before >>17446609
update, so your luck is shitty, it seems. Or maybe some Ano's anti-savescumming feature just to annoy you personally.

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>>17446609
That is so unbelievably counterintuitive that I'm at a loss for curse words.
Thank you.

>>17437485
I've been around level 10 for a long time now, i tried doing lesimas but a few floors down the enemies start kicking my ass. all dungeons i can find on the world map are around level 20 or higher, and even the few level 10 ones are quite difficult for my character. what am i doing wrong? do i just have to grind hunting/escort quests until i level up? i only progress very slowly that way

>>17446622
Grind platinum, buy skills. Buy all the skills.

>>17446622
>http://pastebin.com/vmW2qYkD
elona.wikia.com/wiki/Powergamer's_guide#Skills_and_training
And #Gold
Are pretty much the main tools of your growth.

OP Paste got guides listed. Read them.

wchih god is the best for a beginner player ?

>>17446730
Probably Jure. You get an instant healing ability right away, and if you sacrifice several dozen junk stones you'll get a pet that prevents you from dying once per day.

>>17446730
Yacatect(free plat coins)>Lulwy(speed and great battle pet/mount)/Jure(easy heal and defender pet)/Opatos (good offensive pet that could carry heavy furniture)

>>17445877
I've always thought to raise potentials on skills, then squeeze in new ones when I could... I'm always playing my early game of Elona so horribly wrong.

Whom should i soul spindle to loss mutant?
20-hand Garziem
MA Karata
Yandere Sister

>>17446858
Meh, depends on playstyle. I focused solely on farming and got my first new skill only after hitting lv100 gardening. Then i simply converted to yacatect to get enough plat for new skills with the jewelry from robbed elea wizard slaves.

>>17444065
Does it even matter? Isn't the max range you can see ~7?

If I invest in the Jure festival vendors, will they keep their increased ranks next year?

>>17447453
Nope. So you can level investment again next year, pretty nice aint it?

>>17447460
Whew, with the trainer right there that was an easy ~20 levels of investment

>>17446730
Yacatect, no contest
pet that lays platinum eggs every day
amulet that gives you free platinum every month
extra drops
sex appeal

>>17447522
>sex appeal
That's Ehekatl though.

>>17444675
I can reupload it using another format if you want. I use Winrar usually.

>>17447852
>>17444675
Try this one. Maybe it'll work: http://www.mediafire.com/file/dwagv6yh197qrbu/Younger_Sister_Pack_9.zip

Don't forget to make sure you have RAR5 support in whichever you use (Winrar, 7zip, ect), or you'll get corrupt archive errors when extracting RAR5 archives with them.

Can anyone repost that awesome squid-like girl PCC and full body that some anon posted here 5-6 threads ago? related 4chan gallery is already deleted from the archive.

>>17447990
The shrimp with the big black eyes?

>>17446622
Drop Lesimas, hit the Puppy Cave
Get mad loot
Sell that useless junk
Get money
Hit up a blacksmith
+5 EVERYTHING in you wear
Get more money
+5 EVERYTHING your pets wear
Hit Lesimas
Steamroll everything

>>17447990
Deleted from warosu?
You're squidding me? That's not possible.

>>17446622
Do quests, build favor, generally do stuff that'll build up your skills.

>>17448056
Oh, warosu. right.

So wait, according to the wiki, even pets not actively following you around count towards your party limit?

Is the only way to get around having a 15 party size to get the Discarded Ranch? I had thought keeping a pet at town/home wouldn't count towards my party limit, but the wiki says otherwise.

This also seems to confirm that CHA is by far the most important stat to be raising, since aside from MAG, the effect the stats give seem fairly minimal compared to the skills.

>>17448503
It might be the case that pets in the Dojo don't count either.

>>17448503
>This also seems to confirm that CHA is by far the most important stat to be raising
Well, sorta, but the issue is that you will very quickly run into the hard cap.

>>17448503
Only Doujou and Disc. ranch can be used to get pets out of your party roster without losing them forever.

>>17448517
>>17448525
Double-checked the wiki to confirm. I had forgotten about the Dojo, I visited it once but wasn't aware what it was for at that point. Might be a good place to dump the rare pets like <Mad Scientist> or <Wing Snail>, although Wing Snail has a niche use for the Ranch I suppose.

>>17448524
75CHA seems to be the amount you want to shoot for, and I've not yet gotten any stat around that point. I tend to get my potentials in the dirt, and don't have good luck getting herb seeds so they tend to stay pretty trash for a while.

I've also noticed that as you obtain more skills, the potential you gain from sleeping seems to be massively reduced.

>>17448544
>Potentials
do you have pets with cooking? If not, gene engineer a rogue wizard onto somebody ASAP so you can start getting the morning breakfast event (which raises all potentials based on your pet's cooking skill)

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just got this item, it seems pretty strong for a early game weapon or I'm not interpreting the damage formula correctly. This thing should give me + on hit and have a damage of 24-44 right? Am I missing something here, like the poison weakness is bigger drawback than it seems or the damage isn't that good? Also how does the material kit works? would it reroll everything on it?

While on it I have two more questions, what are those thingies to the left side of some properties of some equipment? And is there a way to increase the potential of the attributes (con to be more specific)

>>17448554
>give me + on hit
give me +30 on hit

>>17448550
I've not messed with Gene Engineering much, I feel I really should try to though, and actually get the Gene Machine early on.

It does mean spending a Feat on Knockout, but I suppose its a small price to not worry about instant-gibbing things.

>>17448554
Yes, that is very good for a lv6 character. You are interpreting the damage and to-hit correctly.
The poison weakness is fairly minor.
A material kit would remove any random enchantments and possibly add a new set thereof.

The symbols mean nothing. Attribute potential can be gained by reading the wiki.

anybody know exactly what spact 446 spSpeedUp does? is it different from boost in any way?

>>17448571
Would a poison weakness ever really be that dangerous? I mean, I've died to it before but that's more because my HP was barely above 40 anyway.

>>17448585
nvm, this is just the spell speed
I can delete posts on my phone, why not from desktop?

>>17448589
If you're fighting poisoning things and don't have other resistance gear to cover it. Same as any resist weakness.

>>17448567
You don't need knockout to monsterball things, although it makes it easier.
Other options:
Throw a potion of poison or dye and wait for the enemy's HP to drop low.
Unequip your weapon and punch with fists, especially vs well-armored enemies like hermit crabs.
Use the Drain Blood special action to do some lowish damage and inflict bleeding which deals damage over time. This is a much nicer feat to have than knockout because you can also use it to suck stamina out of your pets when trying to e.g. cook a lot of farm produce at once, complete party time quests, or do anything else with high stamina costs.

>>17448589
well, if you see in that image my hp is barely over 40 too. So I hope it doesn't come back to bite me in the ass.

>>17447522
>sex appeal
FLATTER THAN A PUTIT CRUSHED BY GAROK'S HAMMER

What all needs editing for Evochat? Where do you put the new images and text?

>>17448589
I believe those symbols are indicators for the unimplemented artifact fusion system where equipment of the same type would be fused together and inherit anything with those marks. The artifact fusion system that made it into the game doesn't use them, so just ignore them.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Ivy_Spine
it's dumb that you need an item and a mod to see this, but ivy spine gives -75 poison
the first poison hound you find might kill you unless you have resist from something else, then again everything will kill you pretty easy at level 6

>>17448622
only niggers love megamilk titty monsters

>>17448554
I got that same weapon, except mine doesn't have weaken resistance to poison, it has grants resistance to poison [###]

>>17448599
I've not seemed to notice Poison doing flat damage, like say a Fire Hound breathing Fire Breath on you and roasting you to death.

But maybe I just haven't run into anything that has a direct Poison damage attack yet, or I've simply not realized it.

>>17448604
I had heard about the Vampire bite draining stamina, but I wasn't quite aware it was that useful.

And I know you don't really need Knockout, it's just as you said, much easier and hassle free. Just use it and on a weak monster (say a silver cat...) good to go. Though I guess it is basically a wasted feat slot in the long run.

>>17448633
>Calling Ehekatl (PBUH) a titty monster
MEWMEWMEWMEWMEWMEWMEW

>>17448642
>I had heard about the Vampire bite draining stamina, but I wasn't quite aware it was that useful.
I think it's probably more useful if you give your pet something that grants resistance to nether.

I use it all the time in party time quests, where I wouldn't otherwise have enough stamina to use Ensemble twice without wasting a lot of the time limit resting. You don't get too much stamina back per use but you can spam it.

>>17447522
>>17447625
>>17448633
>>17448643
Can we all just agree that Lulwy is the worst goddess?

>>17448660
I've never been able to use Ensemble more then once, not due to an SP issue, but because it seems to take around 100-110 minutes to finish, meaning the party is over before it even finishes sometimes.

I guess the time it takes to finish scales down with CHA/Performing?

I just want to thank whoever makes the OP images. They cheer me up.

>>17448662
I want to comfort the Lulwy. She has been hurt by Mani enough.

>>17448622
You seem to think DFC isn't sexy. Regardless, Yacatect clearly has a bountiful chest. She's the sexiest either way, even with Lulwy's hot femdom style.

>>17448666
Scales with your speed, more likely.
As a ~120ish speed fairy I always finish the first one but not the second, but you're still earning gold and music tickets as you play even if you don't finish.

>>17448633
Must suck to be Yacatect. Even Jure has some cleavage compared to Yacatect's cutting board.

>>17448725
Flat is justice.

>>17448926
Nay, flat is in fact injustice of the highest order.

Flat is the equivalent of being run over by a drunken drug addict driving a 1995 Mazda, while walking on the pavement, behind a metal fence, only to be arrested yourself for attempted Jaywalking and the person who ran you over getting a deferred sentence because they claimed insanity from drug overuse in addition to them not being liable for your medical fees. Unable to work, you are then set on indefinite leave without pay, which heaps an unbearable burden on your family; financially on your wife, emotionally on your daughter, both of which grow distant from you due to your prolonged absence. You are released from the hospital without receiving proper treatment due to your being unable to make a downpayment to receive medical care and you collapse on the street right outside the hospital, and the last sensation you feel is a warm trickle on your hand as a stray dog pees on you, mistaking your bloodied head for a fire hydrant.

>>17449024
smol and cute aesthetic

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Well, despite my original resolution to be more efficient with my Jure tourist I have instead faffed about even harder than my first character.
My only real accomplishments are getting a castle, doing like 2 static quests, and unlocking the ability to get the keys for lesimas.
Currently just training my party and trying to actually harden equipment until I finally get enough journals for a freaking FoxBrother and then start knocking out all these quests.

I had a couple of questions though. Like do any of the graphics packs in the mod pastebin have a good generic little girl body portrait? And also if this bullet is as good as I believe it is.

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>>17449483
Forgot the bullet image.

>>17449486
its okay. i'd rather aim for burst, though.

>>17448668
You are a true brother

Question regarding living weapons.
Assuming they have the no bonus attributes when acquired, do Godly tier get better attributes than Miracle tier? Or is there any difference between Godly and Miracle living weapons?

>>17448718
thats why fascinating dance is good. with some Gem spell help you could satisfy whole party even with <200 speed.

Does anyone know if there's a way to predict the stats/skills/hp/mp of custom creatures made with a given race, level, and class?

Are any of the shift cores worth it? The concept seems neat at least

>>17450079
all of them, especially speed one for mutant. But they have 1h cd, so 200 turn buff will be less and less useful as your speed grows.

https://github.com/Zostorinqo/EloCusTrans/blob/master/Elona165_UntranslatedLines.txt
I haven't really used GitHub before. If I hit "Fork this project and edit the file" and add machine translations for all the lines (e.g. "Sorry, this is untranslated sentence." -> "This... the sound of the bell... Lancarta...? Why... to here... No, not the same...!"), would that be helpful?

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I've spent half an hour trying to locate the spot on treasure map. Apparently, tiles with random dungeons will show up as empty fields on treasure map, no matter what sort of tile it was before the dungeon appeared.

>>17451020
wtf, no wonder i couldnt find one off the places for a lng time

>>17450763
Its really hard to differntiate between MT and HT lines later, ask in bloodyshade's custom release thread. And its better to edit it even a bit, pure mt is like an alien's language sometimes.

I have an idea that I'd like Kai to test, which might make it possible to surpass the upper limit on AP (which he reached a while back if memory serves).
Specifically, I'd like to know whether it might be possible to continue to gain AP via Tag Organization:
>When one side of the Tag gains AP, the other will also receive some AP (depending on speed, 1/4/7/10/12 for killer, 1/2/3/4/5 for the other, double value for allies)
Give a low-level slave equipment that'd let it survive the first couple levels of the Void, then form a tag team with it and let it kill enemies and gain AP, and see if you gain AP as well.

>>17452031
Judging by the fact that tagget pets can't get moreap than current ap cap this way, i highly doubt it would work for overcoming total ap limitation.

Man, I played this game years and years ago, back when I had no idea about roguelikes, and spent most of my time starving to death. I wonder how much it's changed since then.

>>17452227
Elona is not a roguelike though

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>>17452420

>>17452420
/rlg/ thinks otherwise, and they're (rightly) really anal about what a roguelike is.

>>17452420
I've heard it argued both ways, honestly. I don't care enough to try and disagree with you.

>>17452439
>>17452441
>>17452443
It depends if you play on Inferno or not, if you play on Inferno then it's a roguelike, if you don't then it's not.

>>17452441
It's a vital survival mechanism at this point. If things keep going the way they have been, even visual novels will start being labeled "roguelikes".

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Still alive Loss bros, almost have enough medals for a void license. I made a fortune selling panties in the shop. Thanks to the power of age return lunch+cursed speed rod, PC obaasan is reliving her youth. She's still a weak pissbaby pet master, but gets AP by tag-teaming with the strongest of the bunch. I haven't done any of the act 2 main quest yet. Maybe start powerleveling ranged or spellcasting now that I've got a steady supply of potential pots/AP? I'm still scared of cluster bong rocks

>>17452512
Did you stop whoring yourself out? I wonder if NPCs in adventure seminar are available for a fun activitieswith their id>57 they'll give shitton of cha/con/wil xp apparently.

>>17452585
Never started, the joke was that she was 50yo virgin at the end of act 1 despite the callsign

>>17452598
Thats extremely disappointing.

>>17452472
Hm, that makes me thing, are there any VNs with permadeath? Like, there is only one save, you can only save if you exit the game, and if one of the choices you take ends up in you dying, the savegame gets deleted. Is there any VN like that?

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I love equipment aliases sometimes.

>>17452673
I gave my waifu a diamond engagement ring called <Peerless Virtue>. It's a shame I forgot to enhance it first.

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Worth it with zero ranged pets/fairy mage pc?

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>>17452673
I like when the aliases can actually complement your appearance in some ways.
like some of the adventurers I've seen who've gone through some really rough shit.

>>17453114
Never use Little Sister quest rewards for non-precious items.
That reward could be a hero cheese or a Kumiromi statue/gem

>>17453141
Living ranged weapon tho. You can only craft thrown.

>>17453167
True, but if you have no plans to use it and never do it's essentially throwing away a reward.

>>17453183
Well you can always use any living weapon for craft skill boost, but its really not the best choice for little sisters reward, yeah.

Talk about worth of ranged weapons for casters. Does 'it absorbs mp from an enemy' proc with burst/rapid fire ammo? And do you get extra ranged attacks with burst/rapid fire?

after looking for healmp usage in source, stumbled upon the fact the diffusion wave heals both mp and hp with the same formula
healmp cc, (limit((weap + 1) / 2, 2, 2500) * sqrt(weap) * sqrt(eqlv - 2) + rnd(weap * 2 + 1)) / 5

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I kind of forgot how slow, yet comfy, starting as a Farmer is.

Yowyn's Farmers haven't respawned yet for me to try and get another and see if it'll get me Cooking on Eleanor. First one only got her Negotiation/Anatomy.

>>17453549
Aromageddon restores some mp as well, apparently, formula is healmp tc, cdata(56, tc) / 50 + rnd(5 + sdata(180, cc)) + sdata(180, cc) / 2 * sqrt(sdata(180, cc) + 1)
but it got a bunch of complicated conditions that i dont want to bother deciphering yet.

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>>17448623
The 300x500 .bmp full body portraits go into the graphics 2 folder which is a sub folder of user. You will need 4 full body portraits and they will be labeled facex_B, facex_E, facex_F, and facex_H where x is a number of your choosing. There should be samples already in that folder so just follow the naming convention.

To edit evochat text you will need to access your pet's talk file or make one if it doesn't have one. The talk files are located in the talk folder which is a sub folder of the user folder. There should be a sample talk file in the talk folder. You can copy and paste the contents of sample into a new text file, to use as a framework, and name the file your pet's name. You would then just open up said file and start editing what you want your pet to say.

Using your pet's talk file you will probably need to add entries for evochat. I've highlighted what the entries look like in my pic. Basically you'll need lines for each of your full body portraits. Just copy what the headers look like and add your own lines.

>>17450079
I like the omega one.

>>17452031
Sadly it doesn't work. Cap for AP is still somewhere between 87k and 90k.

>>17449856
I've found some of the more rare enchants a little bit more frequently on godly stuff like time stop. Having said that I've also seen miracle gear have better enchants overall than some godly stuff due to RNG. I would pay attention to what's on the weapon regardless of whether it's miracle or godly. This applies to both regular and living weapons.

>>17453244
You do get extra attacks using burst or rapid. I don't have any range weapons with absorb MP but my pet is using the rainbow which has tons of elemental damage enchants on it and those proc on every additional attack. If using burst the log is flooded with elemental damage.

So, It absorbs MP from an enemy heals mp by

rnd(inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, cw) / 100 + 1) + 20) * limit(orgdmg / 500, 1, 50) - cdata(70, tc))/5

in layman for #### its (21to23)*(damage/500, max 50 at 25k damage) MINUS target's PV/5
the fuck. does it mean its useless unless you got 100% penetration?
>>17453653
Thanks. I assume absorbs mp should have no difference from other onhit types.

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>>17453775
Couldn't find a bow with absorb MP which is what my range pet uses but rummaging through my static artifacts I noticed the static artifact gun the <Griffon> has it. Used rapid ammo and it does seem like absorb MP procs each hit.

>>17453775
Or, it seems that penetration is only used for damage calc. So on voidcapped target you'll get around 500mp recovered per proc.
Or, around 25-30k mp with burst+extra attack

>>17453818
Thanks again!

>>17453114
If the weapon was a machine gun with high X on the dice, would it be pretty fucking OP with mana drain causing backlash on the enemy?
Or does it mana drain/absorption only happen once per attack, and not once per hit?

>>17453882
Number of dices only used to calculate damage number, not number of hits.
You can get more hits only with extra attacks(multiplies number of hits by up to 2 times) and burst(30 hits?) / rapid ammo (3 hits)

>>17453882
All the dice together constitute a single hit. The game does not check to see if every die on a weapon hit or not, it does an accuracy check and, if successful, rolls all the dice.

Number of dice only matters as far as determining the "reliability" of the damage (more dice = more predictable damage).
For example, 1d99 and 10d9 have the same average damage (at 50), but the 10d9 is heavily biased towards the average, while 1d99 is just as likely to roll 99 as 50.

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>>17453775
Meanwhile, over at the absorb stamina function:

p = rnd(inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, cw) / 50 + 1) + 1
healsp cc, rnd(2) + 1
dmgsp tc, p / 2

>healsp cc, rnd(2) + 1
>the player recovers 1d2+1 sp

Well, that explains why I'm not getting a whole lot of stamina out of swinging the Mournblade around...

Kai, how much MP do you level passively at this point? All i see for passive MP regen is 20% chance to recover 1 to (meditation/2) mp each turn.

>>17453977
yah i wrote about sp a while ago. its not that bad since sp doesnt inflate, unlike hp/mp.

>>17454011
damn mobile keyboards. How much MP do you regen* i mean

>>17454020
Yeah, it's fair. It'd be kinda silly if Swarm gave more SP than it used up.

>>17453851
Oh, brainfart. You wont regen shit on voidcapped enemy since your max roll is 1150 has full 2200 PV substracted, and negative value give a whooping 1 mp healed per hit.
Thanks, Noa/Ano.

>>17454011
Yeah it's pretty random what I recover. My meditation is cap and I would say I passively recover around 400 to 1000 MP. One cycle of resting like 3000 to 9000 MP. It's alright.

Once you're really high level though and have tons of MP through levels or magic fruit you don't really have to rest to get MP back because you just have so much of it. Like by the time I actually start getting concerned that my MP is running low my character is starting to feel sleepy and I just sleep to get all that MP back.

>>17454130
I thought spamming levelcapped spells will eat mana sufficiently fast.

>>17453580
Pretty sure nameless farmers and children are the only npcs which don't respawn. So if there aren't any left you might have driven them to extinction.

>>17454070
Would be nice if you got at least half of it back though.

>>17454168
you can, with extra attacks/dw

>>17454162
Yeah that's what I thought would happen but surprisingly things are pretty manageable later on.

my meteor spell level is 1103 and it's saying it takes 7,636 MP. Magic Storm is lv 961 and it takes 1,313 MP. Meteor's MP cost is a bit more than 7,636 if I factor in the fact that my AP barrier is also taking a bunch of damage and in turn slashes my MP. If that's considered my MP cost then is about 150k. Just counting the actual MP cost for firing off spells, about 10k MP cost isn't so bad when your MP is in the millions.

>>17454168
Wait, what the Farmers don't respawn? There was only ever three of them in the entire game?

Damn, I have to find something else to Gene Mod Cooking onto my Pets then since I killed two of them before I could capture one. Really wish I took Knockout.

>>17454237
You can find more in Party Time! quests.

>>17454237
Rogue wizards from slave trader give cooking, if i recall correctly.

>>17454216
140k damage from meteor? Sounds like mp shield is only harmful once you get past 1 mil hp.

does reading a spellbook for a spell you already know train literacy?

>>17454338
Yes.

>>17454338
You can train literacy by reading spellbooks of spells you already know. Just keep in mind that if you find yourself not gaining any literacy to check potential level and if that's all good then the thing you're reading might not be hard enough given your current skill level. I know there's a lot of spellbooks I read with my character that have stopped giving me literacy with only a select few giving me literacy exp. For instance, even at 1080 literacy spellbooks of oracle still give me literacy exp. Also reading certain scrolls can give you literacy exp as well.

>>17445877
Wait, how should I keep potential up if not by spending plat on it?

>>17454403
sleep recovers some potential.

>>17445877
>Spending plat on potential will increase cost of acquiring new skills
That is completely incorrect. Every NEW SKILL you learn increases the cost of learning subsequent skills. Training potential has nothing to do with that.

Blessed versions of deeds don't do anything in Elona+ right? Besides cost more to buy from an NPC, of course.

>>17454983
Nope. Used to in old Elona, but no more.

Can someone explain to me what this money-making method regarding putit corpses I heard about in an earlier thread is?

I've never had a ranch - do I just breed putits, cook their meat, and sell it in my shop?

Are there any mirrors for elona extender? I went to the link in the mod pastebin, went to the download page, and for whatever dumb reason I got the same "does not exist" error I get when trying to download the latest E+ version from the Jap site.

>>17456174
Specifically you use the pot for fusion to craft "putitoro" out of putit meat + fish

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Well that's an artifact I've never heard of before. Had to look it up in the changelog.