Elona

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Now its a <Raphael> appreciation thread.

What would cause the elona custom exe to give a "startup failed" error?
I have been using Windows 7 compatibility.
The elonaplus exe works fine, custom just decided to break today.

Should I just "reinstall" it?

>>17413790
Please do not post raphael in this thread.

PS Ehekatl best girl

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>>17413819
check versions, redownload, reinstall.
>>17413841
I dare to disagree.

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Holy fuck I am not going anywhere near level 50 dungeons again, it's like this shit bypasses magic resist and only rolls against the element

>>17413867
I lost two karatas to this shit just now, had 5 cockatrices in one spot during hunt.

>>17413867
paralysis is nerve damage. Get equip that negates paralysis and/or nerve resist.

>>17413928
I was aware of this, I was surprised the difference between its nerve arrows (almost no damage) and their gaze (almost dead in one hit) was so huge.

>>17413941
Yeah I think eye of stiffen is just a more massive nerve-based attack.

>>17413858
You can't do this

Is there a way to avoid attacking neutrals? Whenever I press F with no enemies nearby it starts shooting at the neutrals.

>>17414213
Don't try to attack when there's no enemies nearby?
You got an option for neutrals in the main menu.

Oh and what's the difference between Abnormal and Essential? Is Abnormal just Essential on Loss steroids?

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>>17414259
Abnormal is Essential on pain in the ass steroids, no death allowed. Its a mode made to break your mind.

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Balance

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How do you guys handle PCCs with different body proportions? Is there a way to shrink sprites without making it look shitty(e.g. suddenly missing one eye)?
Picrelated

>>17414488
I just go around looking like a WoW reject since I have all my gear displayed.

>>17414494
Vanilla clownsuits were pretty endearing.

>>17414289
So basically anything except Loss or Essential is equal to masturbating with a barbed dildo.

>>17414605
I think Natural is just Essential + Loss' save reloading penalty.

Fury + Violent Garden is some good shit.

Would rolling your stats low for ini be worth it? I didn't even think about it at the time.

>>17415055
The difference would be minor. The majority of your INI is going to come from your speed and your Life/Mana stats, none of which you can roll for.

>>17414488
I handle it by not using them and making my own

what's the deal with the moongates? I read about them on the wiki but every time I use one it just gives me a blank menu. Is there even a point visiting other players homes?

>>17415294
Long ago there used to be all sorts of neat homes to visit, a lot having summoning crystals somewhere hidden that added cute grill CNPCs made by the players to your game when interacted with. Some had dungeons with enemies dropping loads of ores and shit, some were just deathtraps filled with splitting monsters back when those were actually dangerous. Then there was the rare home with custom NPCs that were sandbagged and forced to cast wish over and over, doing huge damage to themselves through magic reaction. But because they were sandbagged they couldn't die from it and gave you endless wishes

Now moongates are just dead because the servers are dead. No more weird jap homes full of Shena ass statues, no more Ray of Gay Jay

>>17415323
Damn I wish I tried this game earlier so I could experience the golden era

>>17415346
Most of the time they were just deathtraps.

>>17415346
It would have been neat for you to see but more of a curiosity than anything else, the real golden era is now with the huge amount of content we have by now.

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>>17413790

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>>17415589
>him

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>>17415589
>him

>>17415589
>him
No matter what you do you can't hide from the truth.

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>>17415589

cant hide form the truth

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543/9/19

Today I met with the round table to discuss my report on seeing a Manakei in a skirt, top hat, and wielding a wand in the void. Rumor has gotten around void base camp of mysterious crabs that rival god class monsters causing havoc. Normally dismissed as stories to scare new adventurers, reports have now verified them to really exist.

It has been concluded that our best bet for getting more info on these monsters is to visit normal dungeons as they seem to be new arrivals in the void and rare to find. Scientists suspect that long term exposure in Nefia will lead to crabs of immense power and size. As such, I have been tasked with going into a dungeon and using the black gemstone to elevate the levels of the strange phenomenon known to accelerate monster growth and drive them into a frenzy. Mai had an interesting theory that maybe the crabs got fed up and started to train themselves to deal with their common enemy Ehekatl and her love of eating all sorts of sea life. Mainly fish and crabs such as the coconut crab.

While exploring an awakened dungeon through the black gem it wasn't long before I found one of the rumored crabs. The Atlas Manakei. It seemed to be fighting other monsters around it. The poor yeek got kicked and stomped on. Nobody was able to run or teleport away from it as it would just draw creatures to it and start kicking them to death.

The Atlas Manakei didn't have any problems dispatching the monsters that for some reason got angry with it. Against me the damage it was doing was 600-7k. Although I was able to dispatch the crab quickly, this particular crab could have caused a lot of problems for me earlier in the game and provided a neat challenge.

Maybe if I encountered this or the others in a higher level dungeon then they would be stronger but the void has been my main focus. If at all anything though just the ability to pull you and all monsters to it causing you to be mobbed creates dangerous situations. Even if a single monster can't kill you the next viable strategy that works really well is for a group of monsters to take you apart brick by brick.

>>17415762
The legend is slowly becoming real, our reality is merging with the crab zone

>>17415762
>Maybe if I encountered this or the others in a higher level dungeon
Kai, no. If that atlas manakei has 2k tactics, 2k MA and 2k eye of mind, then there's no more room to grow. No more skills to gain. The only thing an enemy could get from this point is more HP.

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>>17415604
>>17415646
>>17415682
>>17415741
No amount of forbidden meat will ever defeat the final boss, SYSTEM MESSAGE. It just ain't fair, lads.

140+ hours in Act 1 and Gwen still won't drop her treasure. Just kill me.

>>17413819
Ok. Weird story.
I turned my laptop on just to reinstall elona custom, tried to run it once just for the sake of it, and it is fine now.

But when I tried to delete a backup elona save I stored in another folder, my screen flashed for a second, then everything came back but the file explorer...
If elona is the thing that finally kills my laptop then I am going to be a bit frustrated.

>>17415918
Forbidden meat doesn't go far enough since it only changes what is indicated in the character sheet. There is a way to complete the transformation to female and have the game acknowledge your pet is female however. You would need something that opens up the Elona file with the pet gender bitflag. Elosnack should work. Find the bitflag and just change the value (0 or 1) to get the game to recognize the fox as a girl. For some reason forbidden meat skipped changing the bitflag.

what's the utility of the first aid kit? just for selling profit?

>>17416179
Pets will auto use it if they fall to critical HP. Good insurance for tanks/fragile pets, and once revival costs get steeper, 3k is a drop in the bucket. Easy to make too, imo.

>>17416179

Fully restores health and removes status effects from an adjacent target.

pets will use them when low on hp

>>17416215
I take it only pets without custom ai will use them?
Or does it happen automatically like using ranged against acid and bleed enemies?

>>17416232

auto use on both normal ai and custom.

pet will use it when its hp is 20% or lower

is it possible to get rid of bad status in an item? I got a pretty good miracle item but it has the doomed thing. Can I do something about it or it will always be a double edged sword?

>>17416325
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Curse

Is there any way to get a lot of Flour? Trying to find foods that don't rot for raising my pets stats, but while api/chestnuts/acorns are easy to get, candies seem to really only train magic-related stats.

Bread doesn't seem to rot, but as far as I've seen, the only way to get flour is from food merchants, and they rarely seem to sell more then 2 or 3 bags.

>>17416432
Bannou Mugi can be harvested from Unknown seeds at varying +enchant levels. It is light and can be converted into 2 flour and 2 noodles via pot of fusion.

>>17408804
No, the difference is barely relevant.

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>>17413692
Updated pastebins. No one suggested anything to put instead of "*ring* The gold bell vanishes." and the other one, so they stay.

I'll try to add something about AP to the guide next time.

I'm at 33 marksman but haven't gotten rampage yet, any ideas?

>>17416988
Have you leveled up yet? You don't get the new skill special things until a level up happens.

>>17416988
Level up.

>>17416990
>>17416991
I leveled a little earlier and didn't get it, weird.

>>17416432
Or you can harvest veggies. Severl types of vegetables dont spoil.

>>17416432
Feed them any kind of garbage until you can get the herb train going.

Or just invest heavily into bakeries and buy them out whenever you're in town.

>>17416432
Once you try feeding herbed food once, you'll understand that everything else is just for show.
Personally i only share food with single pet and toss stormfilla to fairy and goose once to get daily reward. Candies and fruits dont give enough satiety to trigger daily reward,and fluor needs very high + value too.

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>>17415098
Well, can you give some tips on adjusting sprite size for PCC for existing etc/clothes set? Do you use base body from that set or what?

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>>17417559
You could take the default body from the E+ folder and put it on one layer. Then resize your sprites (remember to not use interpolation) on a different layer and align them with the E+ body in the back so it is the right size.

I think a better option (but more work) is pick a different base, take the clothes you want, and redraw them to fit your new body. On the left is the base made by 陣野雑記 (http://blog.goo.ne.jp/jinnno-cf/c/e05e4fdb971877fb5f977bba53849369/1).

A large number of players use his sprites or ones based on them. You can take vanilla clothes and edit them to fit the base, then add hair/eyes you like, since they can be found as seperate files in e.g. tieba pack. If you don't like a color or something you can take a seperate part on a seperate layer and use colorize option/change contrast/brightness etc.

Time to get creative my brother

>>17417614
Thanks for the advice. I totally forgot about interpolation in regards of pixel art.

Any other technical tips, maybe (eg which editor would be better for this kind of pixel art, how exactly do you resize sprites to maintain uniformity among the 4 in the row)?

I personally like quite a few among those 'new' sprites with booty&rack, but they don't look well with many other original sprites, and i rather like E/E+ original style(like that golden knight PCC >>17417559 ).

>>17417636
Well I use gimp, but I have been told it a shit. I hear aseprite is neat. I'd just take the entire spritesheet and resize it as a whole with locked length/width proportion, dragging it around to see if one sprite is the right size. If it turns out it is, the others should be as well but likely not in the right place. So you cut them out one by one and do a lot of dragging around. Also use a grid for convenience. one spritesheet is 128x192 and one frame 32x48.

The beauty is you can take parts you like, and just make your own parts to fit the style you like. The clothes will probably be the most work because old ones are large and wide for the vanilla body, so you'll need to move shit around, remove parts and touch them up. But it should be a good exercise

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>HspError 13 WinError 0 Ver 2950 Mode 3
>efId 0 efP 0 Area 4/1
>ci 0#978 ti 0#978 cc 0#0 tc 0#0 rc 0#0
>3. ctrlFile:game1:array ct:0
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>* invalid chara position 0#0(29/24) max(0/0)
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>Sorry.

Saving too much crap on flashdrive almost killed my 7th fairy. Elona Extender is officially the absolutely indispensable tool for me from now on.

>>17417663
Been seeing a bit of talk about elona extender lately.
Would you recommend it? What other things does it do besides backup saves?

>>17418198
ctrl+alf+F - find & highlight items in list
ctrl+alt+print screen - screen cap limited to a specific window by default
save back up
alt playlist management (didn't use it)

There is NO drawback to use it.
I'm very glad I found it and posted it a few thread ago. Use it faggot, it will make your elona life much more enjoyable.

>>17418218
Mod pastebin says it's outdated? How do you make it usable with the current version?

1.7 dl? Does it need to be translated or is it fine?

Where do I find some cobras? I need to kill them for a Fighter's Guild quest.

>>17418519
Cobras? Oh, there's a man in the bar near the guild who won't stop talking about his python, ask him.

>>17418431
Its compatible with pretty much any Elona version that doesnt completely break vanilla elements like UI and such(dont think there is any mod that does that). Its a memory hack.
It can extract some log entries in separate window, add fucking comma to 1,000 to make 1mil look like 1,000,000 instead of 1000000, advanced music playlist(not translated) and some other tools, like color coding skills by potency level.
It even has equipment set swapping tool, i never tried it tho.

>>17417380
Vegetables train LER and WIL though. Though looking at the wiki... Imo, Healthy Leaf and Sweet Potato seem to be the only non-rottable veggies. Useful to note that at least.

>>17417463
Not having any luck getting my herb train going this run, keep getting fruit and vegetable seeds, these stingy Yowynians.

I'll try investing in bakeries, but last time I tried this it didn't seem to change their stock at all. Worst case scenario I get some Investing EXP.

>>17417497
If I could ever get a healthy supply of Herb seeds and started Herbing food, I would certainly agree. I just like feeding my pets because I don't want to starve them, and then I'm worried they'll drink an alien or fall in the well and die.

>>17418218
>>17418704
So the one gotten from
http://kusotool.web.fc2.com/eex/index.html
http://wikiwiki.jp/elonaval/?EEx
is compatible with the current E+Custom and you're using it?

>>17418796
Which part of 'its compatible with ANY version' you dont understand?

>>17418704
Alright cool! If nothing else the easy back up saves and comma separated gold amounts make it worth it.
Will start using immediately.

So I upgraded to 1.70 only to find that everything I used to rely on to excel at the game has been nerfed. Is Noa pulling a Sakurai on this community?

The specific things I'm annoyed about are, one, the huge stamina cost of shadow step, and two, the fact that kumiromi statues don't seem to drop herb seeds anymore. How are you guys getting herb seeds now?

Also, are you not allowed to crit during timestop? Was it always that?

>>17418936
What version were you previously using?

>>17417497
>>17418784
I feed my pets Herbed breads using the meal share option, so I can leech the Herb bit.
I just keep a bread rack full of various breads to herb.

>>17418936
What version were you using?
The statue does give herb seeds just only on certain days. There is a chart floating around somewhere.

>>17418952
Herb seeds are on any day containing a 3, 6, or 9.

>>17418942
>>17418952
I think it was either 1.59 or 1.61.

Didn't know about the herbs only spawning on certain days. Thanks.

Does anybody have any good strategies for getting past the final boss's smoke gimmick as a melee character?

>>17419128

use any of the ball type spells to clean the smoke up

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Is there a more efficient training regimen I should be doing? As a magic user, I tend to exercise MAG and LER a lot more than everything else. I read the exp table pdf, which states Houzanha is best for CON, and Pickpocketing is best for DEX, and for STR i should probably gauge-attack with a scythe. Is there something more passive I can do to keep things level? Those Superbs are probably 200-300% potential, since they started at 400. Thanku

are there 2hu custom sprites?

>>17419204
Unfuck your potential.

>>17419208
Right but it feels like a waste to drink 4 more blessed potential potions when I have 200-300% in those other 4 stats

>>17419208
Basically I want advice for the future so I can get more even across-the-board skill gains, rather than just drink 4 more potions and forget about it

>>17419205
Yes

>>17419222
where?

>>17419218
Personally?

Train STR and CON by two-handing the Sasumata and beating the shit out of something beefy but harmless.
Train DEX by stealing trees.
Train WIL with Magic Capacity.

>>17419223
Mod pastebin (tieba pack), uploader, pixiv

>>17419227
Sounds good. I guess I was being too greedy thinking I could train passively while adventuring. Will do!

>>17419205
Jack on pixiv is the master of 2hu spriting.
He stopped doing elona sized sprite recently, though.
That still make around 200 2hu sprite done.
Great for cnpc, not so great to fit in elona, adventurer maybe?

>>17419239
You're actively exercising some stats, if you want the others to keep up you have to actively exercise them too.

>>17419243
Just like real life, gross.

>>17419239
Weight lifting at 400% all day everyday for strength.

>>17419253
Stops working really quickly, since the exp packets are tiny.

>>17419218
>even across-the-board skill gains
Choke down herbs like there's no tomorrow.

Houzanha gives more CON training than weapon gauge skills do for STR. Houzanha is also spammable.
Do they hate STR or something?

>>17419340
Houzanha is nowhere near as spammable as basic attacks are, though.

>>17419349
1 Houzanha = 10 attacks under perfect conditions (evasive enough enemy).
As your weapon skill gets better, the experience gain gets worse even before the usual reduction due to skill level.

>>17419364
what about debuffing strength with touch of weakness to increase xp/level ratio? You can maintain CON level with gem spell now.

>>17419364
Also, 1 houzanha = 80*2 turns to recover sp without regeneration buff.

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How does Attribute stat increase works with eating Raw equipment?
Does it just need "It maintains ...."
Also does negative mods affect you? As in would "It decreases your .... skill" or "It weaken your resistance to ...." lower your skill/resistance?

Would this girdle boost my attributes but cut my performer or fire resistance?

>>17419462
privides flat bonus = gives xp to attribute
maintains = provides 20% bonus xp

>>17419462
"it maintains" gets you "you enter a period of rapid [stat] growth" which doesn't train the stat directly but gives you a boost to training
if it actually has a bonus to the stat, eating it will train the stat. so you can try to turn every engagement ring and pair of shoes you find into raw to get chr and speed

>>17419467
>>17419475
>"you enter a period of rapid [stat] growth"
Is that temporary growth % bonus or is it permanent % bonus(Increases pontential)?

>>17419493
Temporary.
It's the same effect you get from paying a bronze coin at an inn.

>>17419493
same as the bonus from inn's 1 copper coin dinner. temporary.

>>17419499
>>17419500
Checked
Ah thanks, so just save these up and then chug shoes and rings

Could you use a Storage House as a way to store food from a farm, or will things left on the floor of a Storage House still rot?

>>17419526
drop lecho, leave for a couple of hours, return, check food
takes 30rl seconds to test

>>17419526
If you want to keep stuff from rotting you've gotta put it in a freezer or a 9-dimensional pocket.

>>17419545
food doesnt rot in shop as long as you dont stay here. maybe storage house is the same.

>>17419567
Food doesn't rot as long as you're not there, if you come back after 2 years to the shop everything will instant rot, otherwise it's fresh.
Shops are Schrodinger's cats when it comes to food.

Can anyone explain how did big daddy manage to tank ~10k damage in lv11 dungeon?

>>17419643
He's a big guy

Wait you can't read books "Art of" in the overworld anymore? Shit did reading during bad weather get fixed?

>>17419678
oh so thats how you exploited it before.

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>>17413692
i made a shitty megumin hat

>>17419690
YES THANK YOU

>>17419690
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAxPLoFedQo

Actually I'm fine with Art of books not working anymore, because they broke the damn rabbits, got them in a farm and they're dropping their tails every 3rd to 4th kill, my luck is going to hit cap so fast it's not even funny.

So this homeless person and guild trainer refuse to leave my home, they've been in this cave for over 3 months now.

>>17419855
It means they are offering to become your concubines in return for room and board

>>17419678
You don't have to read it in the overworld. Just go to Noyel and read during the snow from the safety of the inn, when snow stops walk in the overworked until it starts again, reenter town, then keep reading.

My elona+ character (default pcc) doesn't display hats, why is that?

>>17419911
You mean you put a hat on and it doesn't show on your character? If so, that's actually the normal behavior.

>>17419931
Oh, I get it. Then is there some way to change that? In the case of the custom hat that >>17419690 posted, I'd prefer abnormal behavior

>>17419911
Item hats never show, you have to pick one from the etc category in character creation

>>17419937
Oh christ so it's too late. Next run i guess

>>17419935
Put it in the graphic/PCCs folder and edit your character

>>17419940
No, you can change appearance at any time. Press p on the character screen.

>>17419940
No, just press C, then P.

>>17419940
You can edit your character after leaving character creation by opening your character menu and pressing p

>>17419947
>>17419949
Oh that's what the Etc category is for fuck i'm a retard thanks

>>17419952
Etc category also covers like tails, back items, or eyewear.

Unrelated, not sure if I want to get a Black Market vendor for my house. Would they be better then an Armory vendor? Judging by the Thief Guild perks, Black Market vendors also seem to have a higher markup on anything they sell.

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>>17419459
Your first mistake was trusting the wiki for anything.

The wiki mentions that it's possible to use drain blood on your pets to quickly recover SP.
But does hurting your pets like this damage your relationship, or can you just spam it forever with no consequences?

>>17420007
Not sure. I went with black market and so far I'm about 4 living weapons/200 visits, on rank 300. And I worship Ehekatl. You'd think it'd be higher!

>>17420013
well, 64 turns to recover sp, it changes everything! ...or not

regeneration's sp regen is somewhat weird tho, i wonder how effective it is at high levels

>>17420179
What difference does it make when all you need to do is 5 to regenerate?
It's dead simple.

Can pets even survive in the void or do you need some op special pet? What's the highest level pet you can capture and couldn't you just capture a high level pet in the void.

>>17420201
Enemies in the void are un-tameable.
And it's not hard in the early levels since it's basically just puppy cave enemies with better stats.

Does anyone like the Magic Eye feat? I've got a chaos serpent pet but also a good equip with high breath enhance, so I'm trying to between Magic Eye and its sub-actions vs Fire Breath (MP breath, etc). If it's even an okay feat at all I'll take both, as long as it's a fun one to have. Thanks

>>17420188
Difference is that it takes rl time which could be used to train several skills at the same time. instead.

>>17420201
Even starter little girl can survive void easily if you give her enough love and care

High level pets are useless, only skills and bitlags matter in elona plus. Training is extremely fast.

>>17419364
Yes, but Houzanha spam requires alternating between your hotkey and long rests, and waiting for the animation to play. Attack spam is just holding a directional button. The real-time EXP gain rate is significantly better until you start getting fairly high.

>>17420216
you need several pets with magic eye for it to be effective. You get party buff akin to cheer that adds additional effects to eye skills, turning it into ok midgame skill. Breath is kinda ok but requires gauge for skill that actually deals damage. You can also erase walls with breath.

>>17420216
Two issues with Magic Eye (and all MP damage, really).
First, it doesn't do ANYTHING until it puts the enemy into negative MP. So you basically need everyone doing MP damage or it's likely to not matter.
Second, Magic Capacity skill on enemies utterly neuters the damage output at higher level. Not everything will have it, but those that do will need alternate methods of killing. And see point one regarding that.

>>17420296
Right, ok. I'll keep an eye out for more pets that have those skills and figure something out. It doesn't say much in the wiki (lol) but I did see that buff. I'll keep your post in mind and continue thinking

>>17420263
>Difference is that it takes rl time
My whole point was that 5ing is fast.

>>17420285
>Attack spam is just holding a directional button.
You need a target for that, you realize.
That isn't sandbagged.

>>17420304
Whoops, missed this one. Yeah, I saw that with Misteltein being completely ineffective. I was gearing more towards the Eye of Illusion and Abyss Eye actions you get with the feat. You're right though, MP damage seems really underwhelming.

>>17420304
Also, not sure about now, but in previous versions mp kill counted as a suicide, thus didnt provide xp.

>>17420285
You can set anime_wait to 0 to remove the animation.
It would be nice if you could do that for individual actions, especially houzanha and dimensional fishing.

>>17420314
Create Wall, man.

>>17420311
you drain satiety and sleep. 64 turns is an ingame hour, and pressing forward is even faster. get a fucking spear with -500 damage, -1,250 tactics armor and start killing a summoned putit for half of an eternity at your home/walled room in town.
With custom ai you could make your pets heal wounded targets with healing touch for even easier grinding.

>>17420316
mp damage is a kind of a slow acting poison that will oneshot target when it finally triggers. too bad the only class of targets that may make this skill useful are completely immune to mp drain and take hp damage instead.
i think its fun to use in pet arena, though.

>>17420359
Funny enough, the best weapon for doing that is the Sasumata.
Which is a polearm, so it trains Con, not Str.

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>>17420201
Off the top of my head the highest level monsters you can capture without astral light pen are around lv 190(Ex: Chaos Serpent, Yomagntho, Cthugha, etc) With ALP then it's probably an inner god at lv 1200ish I think.

While you certainly can capture a high level monster if they interest you it's not really necessary as even low level pets can become deadly and survive anywhere including the void. Special bitflags, quirks, and special actions can be nice to have but isn't really needed either.

My highest level pet and probably the one with the most kills to date in the void is my pet Saya. There isn't really anything innately special about her. She's a lv 5 Elea Warrior I got off a slave trader that I built up. No special bitflags and aside from emergency evasion gained from her evolution, she didn't have any special actions of note. My only real pet that I consider non vanilla is Akeno which I used Karata as a base. The other two pets that compose my party is a witch, evolution path of the little girl, and a mercenary archer, originally lv 20, that I also bought off a slave trader.

So I have three really vanilla like pets that I built up and one special pet and all of them do well in the void. Saya and Akeno have been leading the ways in kills with Mina picking off runners and finishing off enemies. Mina is lower level than the rest of my pets due to being the last pet I decided to build up. Poor Mai though. She doesn't get many opportunities to level up because she's stuck on healing duty for the most part but I've been farming hero cheese for the party so despite her lack of levels her HP is fine.

To help your pets survive in the void I would gene engineer levels into your pets and do panic and challenge quests and let your pets finish off those enemies if they can't hang out in the void yet. Those challenge and panic quests can help build their AP and levels in a less chaotic environment. The enemies in panic and challenge quests are scaled but there's not as many of them that can descend on you compared to when you're in the void making it a bit easier to keep up healing and less stressful in keeping an eye on them. Also look into feeding them herbs, having them learn special actions from Leold, and then if you're using Elona Custom setting up a customized attack AI for them to make them efficient killers and smart in their use of special actions. Like for my pet Saya I have a simple AI routine where she buffs herself, shadow steps to the enemy, and begins her attacks.

On a side note, looking back on my old picture of Saya, boy did I start training my first pet really late in the game but there are perks to holding off for later I guess. Hopefully this demonstrates that no matter where you're at in the game it's never too late to start looking into pets.

>>17420434
Clearly written and well-documented as always. Thank you for your post.

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Man, three thousand hedgehogs! These Fighter's Guild quests don't mess around.

Really should've started this at a much lower level. Took me forever to find 3 blade omegas last time.

>>17420540
Fighters guild really hates Sonic.

>>17420410
skill xp for 2 skills that trains str you mean?

>>17420434
I wonder how well mage pets do at low void/high nefias with their relatively low spellpower.

How do you guys go about adding custom bitflags to pets using elosnack? For example: I wanna add cInvisi bit to my elea wizard, except that I don't know where to look for in cdata, and even after digging the wiki, I don't even understand how the values work.

>>17421232
You don't because the game labels you as a beta bitch property of Raphael.

Ok, so I have been working to update Beautify.
Just like all you anons said opening the 2 character.bmp's in gimp as layers and just copying and pasting rectangles made updating it trivial.

But I realize I can't remember how anyone said you are supposed to export it. If I have been using the original bmp as a base can I just export it with default options?

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>>17421276
In GIMP, export it as a bmp.
When it gives you options, open up Compatibility options and check "Do Not Write Color Space Information"

>>17421289
Many thanks anon. Once I actually get everything squared away I'll likely upload it to mega or something in case anyone wants it.

>>17421276
Don't forget item, interface, map1 and map2.

>>17421309
I know, I've just been making absolutely sure there were not any other actually missing files or images before attempting to edit those.

Turns out there was as Beautify didn't have a bg36 or anime62.

Wait if weaker the pet is, the stronger the breeding power, does that mean that lowering attributes and speed/life/mana with touch of weakness or rotten food would increase the breeding power or does only level of the pet count?

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wiki distracted me while i was trying to learn how to play

>>17421440
Breeding power is only determined by level and race. Weaker races like putits tend to get higher breed power, and more powerful races like gods or bells get very low breed power.

Feeding your pet potions of descent until it hits level 1 will help. The only other way to improve breed power is to pick a bet from a faster-breeding race. Draining its stats will not do anything.

>>17421440
Supposedly, Breed power formula: BP = RaceBreedPower * 100 / (100 + [Level * 5]) . (source: wiki)

For instance, cupids have a RaceBreedPower of 1 naturally, but you'll never get a 1, because 1*100/(100+ 5) = 100/105 which is the minimum, and the game truncates instead of rounding. A Lv100 Dominion breeds as slow as a random cupid from early game. Read the wiki but remember that the wiki is always wrong every time. But read it anyway

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>>17421569
>Read the wiki but remember that the wiki is always wrong every time.
This should be in the OP honestly.

>>17421618
>>17421569

>Wiki is someties outdated.
you mean?
Get your lazy ass and fix it, english Elona community is too small to rely on someone dedicated to maintain it.
Sometimes simple comment is enough.

>>17421656
I tried that once. They reverted it.

>>17421672
I tried this more than once, it was never reverted . I wonder whats the difference.

>>17421687
I have no clue, but it soured me on the prospect.

>>17421704
Probably need to mention that wiki is for vanilla by default, any info for plus should go in separate part of the article.

>>17421704
>>17421704
>>17421721
Anyway if you have no clue/dgaf about guidelines, simply leave comment with the correct info with specified game version.

>>17421276
Alright. I think I have everything up to date, but I noticed some issues.
First off the pcc parts do not mean well with the default bodies. So you would likely want to make a new character because just changing your look (with C then P) seems to do nothing.
Besides that, you will need to empty user graphic folder since it is filled to the brim and automatically takes precedence over the character spritesheet.
Finally the music that comes with it works, but honestly feels a bit too somber for elona though that is likely just a personal opinion.

Will upload once I can get somewhere with half decent internet.

Still trying to figure out how to view the numerical value of equipment attributes, can anyone help?

>>17421935
elona custom + Objet of Heart

How effective is absorb stamina/mp? I can't even tell when it procs

>>17422074
most likely amount depends on weapon skill level. gl checking the code if you want to know for sure

Does anyone know whether mutant can reroll bodyparts gained from levelup after resetting limbs with mad scientist limb reset + potion of descent combo?

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>>17422242

>>17422255
is this an assumption or proved fact?

>>17419231
Where in the tieba pack it's all in moonrunes

>>17422528
You are really helpless aren't you? First folder->third folder->second folder. Next time look through them yourself like a big boy and rename according to content, would take under 5 minutes. I don't know moon either

>>17422304
proven fact

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>>17413790
>>17413841
All your waifus belong to Raphael.

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>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yL2adwGvpzcP-pmz0iPVkzXcb6IiOHVzwnEZnlS0eMg/edit?usp=sharing

Elona+ skill IDs for 1.70, in case if anyone needs to decipher some shit in source

>>17422625
Sorry Raph, but I've gotta keep my marriage counter a solid 1.

>>17422971
Added skills enabled in E+C 1.70.1

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OK, it's time to run some wizard mode tests on the possible number of melee attacks per turn. I wished/savescummed up a L30 Mutant Thief with 11 Hands and some artifact weapons.

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Here's one attack on the bard in Vernis. 11 weapons, 11 attacks.

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>>17423266
Next attack on the same bard. 13 attacks this time. I should note that this character has 13 Dual Wield.

>>17423266
max dw gives pretty neat extra attack rating, +666 or something

>>17423266
In one of these last threads we have the exact extraattacks formula posted

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>>17423275
Next attack. 13 attacks again.

>>17423286
Yes, and if memory serves the conclusion was that multiple Hands actually reduced the number of attacks you get and that it's impossible to get more than 8 attacks per round. I have proven that there is a use for having additional hands and that there is no hard cap of 8 attacks per round.

>>17423303
Do you have an average # of attacks for this setup? We can compare it to avg # of attacks with 2 hands only given max enchantment power available with only two hands and be definitive

>>17423303
No the final conclusion was the opposite, the only limit multihanded chara get is that they have to overcome unfair roll to get maximum number of attacks per weapon. You still get the same chance for 3 extra attacks as 2-handed chara.

Anyway some anon posted exact formula after discussion, it basically involved comparison of extra attack bonus to simple roll 1-99 for success.

>>17423303
What you're doing was already done before, that cap you are speaking of is only for ordinary 2-handed characters

How do make a good fire dragon?

>>17423338
Start with good ingredients

Do not add hand slots at all, Custom AI, teach him attribute, uncontroll, shadow step, speed, hero, defensive buffs, make him pre-buff with boost and spells. then spam megid flame, then uncontroll, then shadow step.
Change party element to ice
Watch your fire dragon shattering everything with ice.

>>17423338
Capture fire dragon child.
Gene Engineer the shit out of it to get it skills/equipment slots.
Train it and evolve it when possible.

Congratulations you now have a berserker packing asskicker of a dragon.

>>17423358
How do I do custom AI's? and how do I teach my pet special abilities?
I'm a bit retarded when it comes to technicalities like this

>>17423479
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:AnnaBannana/New_Features_in_Elona_Custom_1.51.4

>>17423479
You should have tried to search OP pastebin (start here) for Custom AI first, i guess.

>>17423500
>>17423495
Ah I see thank you

>>17423358
Why ice over lightning? I thought lightning was the best base element because it worked with both element scar and with the wet status.

>>17423709
Since some update, ice deals even more damage to wet targets than lightning

>>17423726
>>17423709
Actually it deals exactly the same damage as lightning. Ice deals more damage only for spells since they have bigger damage rolls.
Oh yeah, better teach dragon bubble storm or water bolt at least.

>>17423904
Why the heck don't the elemental trio spells have the same damage?
Makes no sense.

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>>17423904
>>17424166
Ice is the strongest element? I could have told you that!

>>17424166
Ice destroys potions but is amplified by wet status.
Fire got highest base damage and undead monsters got massive weakness to it but it doesnt work well with wet enemies. However you can boost damage with oil/gasoline bottles.
Both fire and ice give minor damage taken/received debuff to the enemies.
Lightning, however, have no downsides and paralyzes target, but spells have deal less base damage.

They are well balanced.

So its like complaining 'why zergs units have less hp than protoss it makes no sense' or similar bullcrap.

You are welcome.

>>17424242
I thought all elements had the potential to destroy potions and other items?

>>17424247
Fire can burn items but it can be avoided completely by putting magatama in inventory. Other elements are safe.

>>17424257
Ice is not safe. Ice can never be made safe.
Lightning is safe.

>>17424265
i said that ice is not safe in previous post. Sometimes imageboards can be slightly confusing,
Yeah ice is the only 'unsafe' element for player's use since magatamas are common.

>>17420890
Pets do lag a bit in damage on the spell casting front. My character has 2017 magic while my witch Mai has 2000 magic and 1037 casting. When using magic storm(lv 961) on the enemies down in the void my character does around 75k while Mai does around 45k. When casting ice ball(lv 865), after wet and element scar is applied, I do around 170k damage and Mai does around 100k damage.

Most but not all of the enemies I'm fighting currently have between 1-6 million HP. Considering the above damage, those spells are mainly used soften a bunch of targets all at once and to destroy weaker enemies. Melee attack styles can hit for millions so they're actually my main source of damage in killing things. Magic can hit for millions too but only one spell does that currently for me and that's meteor. The problem though is despite my pets resist suits they still take a considerable amount of damage if I cast it and all but Akeno with her bitflag will probably die if I spam it. So when my pets are out I rarely cast it because of the damage it does to everything.

As far as I'm aware, meteor is blacklisted from teaching your pet, and the only way to get a meteor casting pet is to find one that already has it. By default those creatures rarely cast meteor so I'm guessing maybe you can change that with a custom AI but then you have to contend with the damage it will do to the player and the rest of your pets as well.

Mai is the only spell caster on my team but an odd one because since she's a witch her AI loves to engage monsters in melee. She alternates between hitting monsters with a weapon and casting spells. The problem I was seeing with her was that she was doing more damage to enemies with hitting them with her two hand weapon than casting and her magic storm was only really useful when we were mobbed by yeeks or something similar. Her damage fluctuated and meanwhile my other dedicated melee pets, Saya and Akeno, consistently put up big numbers and killed things leaving Mai in the dust as far as kills and in turn levels go.

Since Mai was not performing as well as the others on the damage front I had to rethink what her role in the party was. I turned her into a healer/buffer and that has worked out better for the whole team. While Saya and Akeno are good at laying damage they still ended up getting beaten up and needing a heal thrown there way. Saya more than Akeno but even with the damage resistance bitflag Akeno had she still needed to be patched up from time to time. So normally I'd be in the back healing them but now that I've given that role to Mai I can now join in on the attack and speed up clearing void floors.

So in conclusion, if you're going to go the damage route with a mage pet I would probably have it learn ice ball to maximize its damage. Depending on your party makeup and what you're vsing, the damage your mage pet do may be sufficient but if your mage pet ends up struggling maybe consider turning it into a healer/buffer/debuffer. Leold teaches tactical heal and tactical curse and with Elona Custom you can then configure your pet to use healing rain, absorb mana, element scar/nightmare, slow, and silence for instance. You can also with Custom teach your pet cheer to buff your party.

If I want to catch a Cthugha and Oblivion Palace it, what's a good way to keep it alive? Lots of fire res, magaqua in inventory, lots of magic res, what else? I don't want a powerful ally, I basically want Megumin

>>17424314
It's really too bad magic and especially magic pets fall off so much, but I feel like nobody realized this until you got this far. At least for a while, it looks like you are saying a caster pet can be comparable to the PC. Then that casting can roll into healing rain later. Very cool and informative.

>>17424314
Cheer and all other party buffs have relatively weak level of buffs, so if you use custom its better to simply make pets pre-buff themselves.
Have you tried switching to nether element for selfheal? It requires debuffing target with nightmare spell/invoke, though.

Also, how hard it is to apply element-related debuffs(chaos, mind and such) vs capped enemies? I considered the option of making pet spam chaos/darkness/mind ball sequence to apply debuffs, but i have a vague idea that it wont work well for endgame.

>>17424352
Simply seal meteor?

Debuffs are always insanely useful vs hard targets.
I honestly think that silence, slow, weakness, scar and gravity sphere provide a huge damage spike vs targets that require several rounds to kill.

>>17424401
I mean I want meteor, I just also want it to survive meteor. I can probably teach it attribute shield as well

>>17424411
If you give it a magaqua it becomes constantly wet and receives halved fire damage.

>>17424411
Contingency, attribute shield, magaqua, trait barrier.

>>17424411
Also not sure if you can use meteor with custom ai.

>>17424447
Oh, of course they wouldn't randomly try to cast spells I teach if they're using the default AI. Good call.

>>17424443
May not be able to do 1 and 2, 3 - yes definitely, 4 - great idea, no Custom AI = full mana all the time, right? Awesome.

>>17424462
>no Custom AI = full mana all the time, right?
False.

>>17424462
you can throw potions of resistance at her too. also, defender pet may help, dunno if he saves other pets too.

>>17424487
Defenders will save pets, yes.

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>>17424482
Oh no. At least it's more to the spirit of what I wanted.

>>17424487
A defender? Okay, sure, what could go wrong?

Newbie question: What does an earlygame fairy spend small medals on, since all of the equipment Miral and Gorok sell is too heavy to wear?
I kind of want to get a pet Young Lady, since the potion throwing sounds fun, but I don't know how good of an idea it is.

Is it just me or is throwing really weak? My throwing skill is twice as high as my gun skill. I've got a living craft repaired rubynus panty with magic damage and it does less damage than a non-artifact machine gun...

>>17413692
Who is the artist on that girl next to "hoora hoora"?

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>>17424380
That's interesting. Maybe I need to level my buffs more then. When my witch Mai cheers her strength and speed buff for the whole party is stronger than my own buffs. Mai's Cheer(+418 str/+655 speed). My hero buff and speed buff(+403/+596). The duration of cheer is much shorter than the duration of my buffs though so in regards to duration it's weaker. It's cool that the Custom AI lets you program cheer to have it on nearly 24/7 though as long as you're in combat.

I have used nether element and it's a good way to help in healing and would recommend it to help supplement other forms of healing if needed. I used it a bit in the past but now that I have a dedicated healer through Mai I was able to just focus on damage by attuning everything to ice or magic and using wet damage mod to amplify damage.

Even though the enemies in the void are scaled they're still treated as normal enemies. I have no problem applying hexes to 99% of the enemies in the void and landing them 99% of the time on the first cast for very long durations. The only time I may struggle to land a hex is against a void boss where the normal boss hex penalty applies. I may need about 1-5 casts to land the hex but if I land it it stays on for a fairly long amount. While on normal enemies I can get my hexes to last for around 900 turns, boss hexes last only around 200 turns. 200 turns is still a nice amount of turns in my imo though.

>>17424651
''gwayo''

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>>17424662
Thanks Anon.

>>17424279
Don't magatama's reduce damage since they prevent you from inflicting wince?

>>17424629
Can never go wrong with more speed so Hermes blood is a decent choice from Miral and Garok's workshop. Might want to hold on to them instead of use them immediately though. Once you get to South Tyris you can use AP to get more speed but there is a limit to how much you can get through AP. So once you've capped the speed you can get through AP you then would use Hermes Blood. Rod of domination could be useful if you want a pet that you can't normally get through the slave trader.

The weapons and armor you can get off of Miral and Garok could be useable to you once you start getting flying scrolls. You can find them as random loot in dungeons or on heavily invested magic vendors. The tax box can be useful if you're really lazy and just want to pay your taxes in your own home instead of walking all the way to the embassy.

I haven't tried the Mages' Guild yet but, from some tinkering with the Fighter's Guild so far... I'd kind of think the Mages' Guild might be the easiest Guild to rank up in.

While ancient books aren't incredibly common, I haven't had too much difficulty finding a decent number, and the Fighter's Guild quests keep sending me out to kill pretty uncommon/rare monsters.

Admittedly it seems what they send you out to kill is completely random, so maybe it's just you should savescum it a lot.

>>17425051
If you have money to burn, the Thieves' guild can be finished in under an hour.
Trade a potion of cure corruption to somebody, steal it back, sell and rebuy it, repeat until rank up, repeat until rank 1.

>>17424638
just you.
throwing damage very much depends on correct distance and strength. The main benefit of throwing is crazy good synergy between various buffs and stats/skills.
I've posted a bit of research about this 1 or 2 threads ago.

>>17424629
save em for material kits

>>17424939
10% bonus damage for the price of burning all theshit on the map....dunno if its a good tradeoff.

>>17425008
Hermes is useful if you want to save ap for min-maxing purpose. Skill ups are the best to powerlevel spells fast.

>>17424653
Oh, i didnt mean hexes per se, but special effects from spells. Like, i knw that dim from sound spells can be resisted at extremely high sound res, same may or may not be true for other on-hit effects from other elements.

>>17425061
I haven't really considered the Thieves' Guild. For one, I haven't tried playing a real Thief-type yet. Secondly, their joining requirement is stupid. That and the only real benefit from the Thieves' Guild is the fence and the discount at the black market vendor-types...

Fighter's Guild benefits are pretty handy early on, and can be joined pretty fast. I haven't tried Mages' Guild, but I guess its mostly something you'd consider if you are playing a dedicated spellcaster/simply want to collect every single pet.

>>17425142
Now I've only played spellcasters, so don't read this post at all, but I believe anyone can benefit from Mage Guild. You get to reserve great support spells: Speed, 4-D Pocket, Return, Hero, Silence, Slow, Holy Veil, HARVEST, so on. These are spells you probably ought to use no matter what your build is, unless you're roleplaying as a barbarian

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>>17425080
Ah, sorry I misread then. It's been a long day for me but thank god it's Friday. Anyhow, Chaos Ball, Eclipse/Darkness Ball, and Raging Roar/Sound Ball are able to apply most of their status ailments with ease even against enemies deep in the void. Like Chaos ball inflicts all sorts of bad stuff with ease. Eclipse still inflicts darkness and Raging Roar inflicts confusion. Haven't seeen Raging Roar inflict dim on enemies but I've had an easy time inflicting dim through the AP trait charm. Mind bolt also inflicts confusion.

>>17425178
What's the point of reserving spells? Just use Fill Charge on a spellbook so it never falls apart.

>>17425142
Oh yeah, there is indeed basically no reason to join the thieves' guild.
But if you do, you can level it up really fast even though you get jackshit for doing so.

>>17425204
Sometimes recharging blows up what you're charging.

>>17425204
I wish very good fortune on you for recharging one book

>>17425226
Haven't seen it happen myself, but I keep a backup copy of every book anyway. That should be enough, really.

>>17425178
You can't reserve harvest, even though it's offered as an option.

>>17425243
Oh right. I probably associate harvest with that spell writer because I ranked up the downstairs shop early

>>17425192
Wonderful, thank you.

>>17425207
Aah I see your point.
I mean, from what I hear, Black Market vendors can sell some really nice stuff, I've just never invested in them before.

I just kind of thought Fighter's Guild would be easier to rank up in, but I guess nothing is usually too quick and easy in Elona.

>>17425178
I hadn't considered that. I've got a Warmage going, but I haven't even gotten some of those. I have some of the low level ones, like Hero or Holy Veil, but those aren't too hard to stock up on and I haven't had to use them too much yet. 4-D Pocket does sound pretty great though, at least until you get absurd Weight Lifting I'd assume.

I wish Return was better though, but I guess I was hoping it'd be like Return in other RPGs, letting you go to any town of your choosing.

>>17425373
Return... Isn't the worst. You learn to live with it. I do wish it wasn't so restrictive, but in the end it and a pair of SLB gets you where you need to be

>>17425397
Yeah I mean, it isn't useless. I just wish it had a wider variety of locations to go to. But I guess thats part of why SLB are basically staying glued to your feet whenever you travel.

Although I'm lazy and just never remove the boots once I get a pair

I do wonder what the Praise system will be used for in the future. By the changelogs or whatever, it seems it'll be used to add new buildings and stuff to towns.

>>17425192
>>17424653
Talk about debuffs, a while ago i raised a question about megid flame vs element scar spell power.

Megid Flame applies element scar at maximum -150 res magnitude to all, according to source. Minimum for spell is -80.
Op shit, as expected.

>>17424380
nightmare was massively nerfed and remains nerfed for reasons unknown, elemental scar is much better

>>17425516
nightmare got exactly the same -150 res limit as scar according to source.

>>17422074
1-3 sp per hit, enhancement level only affects sp drain

Does anyone have an updated beautify pack from Elona 1.67 for Elona Custom 1.70? I liked the style of the character sprites but the missing sprites when opening a shop is a mini turn-off :c

OK, Opatos grants all followers 10% damage reduction.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Opatos_of_Earth
Also, the Secret Treasure of Opatos gives you a separate, innate damage reduction ability.
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Secret_treasure_of_Opatos
However, the page for the treasure is kind of low-quality. I can't tell whether the treasure effect is different depending on whether you worship Opatos, or if it's just a fixed (tiny) effect and whoever wrote the page just randomly started talking about the standard Opatos damage reduction ability.
Does anyone know exactly what the deal is with the Secret Treasure of Opatos ability? Can you get 20% damage reduction or not?

I think my brain just halted with this hsp math

Game got the following check
>p = cdata(26, 0) \ 10
>if p == 2

cdata 26,0 stores current turn(minute)

how often p == 2 in that case?

Opinion time anons. I feel like doing a Tachibana Hibiki run, probably using Predator or maybe Warmage, and punching things.

Or maybe I should try a run with Velvet Crowe, perhaps using either Thief or Warmage, not too sure on that one. I really do want to try Thief a bit, as Pickpocket is kind of neat, but I also really like using Magic, now that I've gotten a taste for it.

Thoughts?

>>17425829
>Tachibana Hibiki
>Velvet Crowe
who?

>>17425817
Uhhh x \ y means remainder of x divided by y doesn't it? isn't it modulo operation? so cdata(26, 0) \ 10 is "when minutes end in 2" ?

>>17425840
oh, so every 10 minutes starting from 2? i dont understand why its so complicated, sigh.
>>17425863
all skill level-dependent special actions are learned after level ups once you hit required skill level.

>>17425885
Aaaactually, I'm staring at this line
p@m27 = cnvdate_arg1
hour@m27 = cnvdate_arg1 \ 24

and I think it's actually integer division. So like 21 \ 20 = 2. So 2X minute mark I guess. Not sure. It's one of those

>>17425978
i'm inclined towards integer division aswell, but it doesnt make sense this way. gotta check hsp manual later i guess.

So right now I have a small cottage and a museum, I'm thinking I should buy a shop next. With the new shop specialty thing, should I just set it as a general shop for now until I have multiple shops?

>>17425978
\ Remainder of division
from 2.6 hsp manual
welp.

>>17426079
The shop definitely brings in the most money, I think. I'd settle with a general shop until you're rich enough to afford several shops and have those shops specialize in different things.

>>17426079
all shops sell all items, you simple sell more of the specialty items. i'd make food to sell putitoro or blacksmith to sell pet's crafted stuff

Has anyone actually poked inside the code and checked if scarecrows do anything, what their max limit is, etc.? All I see is guessing/hearsay.

>>17427079
Is the code publicly available somewhere or is it sekrit club bullshit?

>>17427124
Most people use a decompiler.

this game dosent let me do anything remotly bad or i loose karma. is there a mod that get rids of this nonsence ?

>>17427079
Check previous thread(s), scarecrows are not used in any calculations. just for show.
>>17427124
Decompiled source is provided with elona custom
GL trying to understand that mes.

>>17427165
Grab the secret treasure of the wicked.
Or stop being a criminal, that solves it too.

>>17427165
just lose this karma why are you actin like a pussy. game provides enough tools for you to maintain karma while freely raping passerby young ladies and stealing last piece of shit from old grandma's house.

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>>17427173
>stop being a criminal
All those little girls won't get force sleep shared, murdered, cooked and eaten by themselves.

my little girl opened door in dungeon while i was resting and i got killed. how do i controll her stupid ass

>>17427355
put her on a leash

>>17427355
1. Put a leash on her neck
3. move away from door
2. Force sleep share her until your bed is covered in her blood

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>>17426079
Always make a blacksmith. They sell all equippable items faster, in larger quantities and for more money than a general shop. Even after the nerf they are great.

After gathering a lot of materials, crafting on lucky days, then putting the crafts in the shop, I went from having a couple 100k to earning 20 million in a couple of in-game weeks.

The innkeeper in Yowyn got nothin personnel'd, will a replacement eventually arrive or not?

>>17427659
Until you get enough material and level crafting high enough selling putitoros is themost lucrative option. They dont rely on skill level and putits breed extremely fast thanks to base putit being lv1.
All you need is to grab some baits, fishing rod and make a water tile on your ranch. By the time you and your pets could craft actually expensive stuff you'll be able to buy a palace and invest in shops for material scrolls.
>>17427670
All towns get few refresh every few days.

>>17427465
That actually raises a good point, where's the option in Master/Servant relationship to just make them more clingy by nature? Like leash but never leaves your side

>>17427841
Ride your little girl, go full dom instead of aiting for their own initiative.

>>17427849
Probably the best option

>>17427797
That's the first time I've heard of anyone doing that. How much does each putitoro roughly sell for in your food shop?

>>17427849
That's no good with Two Hand. Form a Tag Team instead.

>>17427932
~3,5-7k per 1.
Additionally each putit drops leather with 1,5-8k value after rubbing(you can rub once every day, effect stacks), and 1-2 pieces of meat to make putitoro.
You can use those 3-4 putit ranches later to breed rabbits for luck grinding or fairies for secret experience of kumiromi.

Pretty much everything else early on is less reliable than ranch.

>>17428243
You can also Squeeze the putits after rubbing for +milk.

>>17428261
I think you need certain level for squeeze or something, i didnt get it early on. Too lazy to check wiki.

>>17428267
30 STR.

Anyone got elona custom with one of those NPCs as combat pets?
Tezcatlipoca,Fashionable Kunoichi,Renai,Inqtual,space zilla,jellyfish kraken,Regulus,Nine Head Dragon,Rovid,Spaghetti Monster,Super-Grandmaster, Holdgazer, Shadow, Ether Generator, Mobile Communication Equipment, Meshera Alpha, red mushroom, meshera plant, grand ent, vol phantom, Bamboo Sprout, mushroom, spore mushroom, chaos mushroom

I'm curious what works with remote blow. (e.g. extra attacks, unarmed+attribute, invokes, elemental damage on hit)

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>>17428341
Whips' Distant Attack action can be given to any pet through the custom AI system.

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This guy gave me inspiration >>17419690
so I "made" Yunyun's dress.

Any resemblance to Madoka's dress is mere coincidence.

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>>17428799
Thankfully http://www.geocities.jp/kurororo4/looseleaf/ had the right sprites to make her body.

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>>17428799
>>17428807
Here's how she looks ingame.

anyone have a good Marisa sprite set?

>>17428904
There's a pretty good one on pixiv, if I remember correctly.

>>17428904
Look for jack. His touhou sprite are very good.

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>>17428920
I found this one on pixiv but it's too big

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>>17428920
and I know this one exists but I can't find it anywhere

>>17428799
>>17428807
>>17428814
guess i have to make the rest of megumin too now. will post when done

>>17428949
I bet the godless nip who made that sprite didn't even tag it properly.

I've found like 3 Marisa sprites on pixiv + 1 on nico, yet none of them seem to be this one you've just posted.

>>17428994
any of them at least the same size or smaller than player?

>>17429002
Sadly, no.

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Doesn't it sound so charming?

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>>17428980
Good luck

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>>17428980
are you the same one who's teaching a pet cthuga to BAKURETSU

>>17429036
You can write anything in the datan anyway, it's saved as a string.

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50% pierce helps out a lot

>>17428603
Oh shi! Ehekatl bless you, kind Anon.
I should have attempted to do that shit first before lurking for mobs with this skill.

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>>17429126
When I grow up I want to be like metalslug-niichan

>>17429109
no, not me

>>17429126
I'm imagining an armored slug shanking niggas left and right.

>room full of monsters
>teleport away
>someone pull me back to the room
>teleport away
>someone pull me back to the room

SAVE ME!

>>17429512
Read a scroll of escape/return and keep teleporting away.

>>17429512
You sound like you're not used to this happening, so it's probably a hand enemy. I dunno, kill it.
If it's a death maneki and you're not equipped to kill one >>17429521 run, fucking run what the fuck are you doing go get out run

>>17429526
>>17429521

managed to kill the crab, thanks!

Piece of shit got teleported to a empty room

>>17429554
No matter what you're doing, if you see a death maneki always kill it first.

Number one adventurer in my game with shit ton of fame yet nobody recognizes me or my alias. I am sad.

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>>17429632
Maybe having an alias like this might help you.

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>>17429632
Just like how pets can have a talk file NPCs have one as well. While the pet talk file is located in /user/talk the NPC talk file is located in the data folder. Under the personality section in the talk text file you'll see the various lines some NPCs draw from. You can edit those lines to whatever you wish such as the ones that refer to your alias and character.

how do I buy bolts from the blacksmith?

>>17429769
Simply buy bolt as an equipment piece when its available, ammo option only recharges special ammo charges.

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So I rolled a warmage and spent the past few days doing board quests, buying deeds of buildings, and learning skills with platinum.

I haven't done any real quests and I don't know what to do from here since this is where I usually end up quitting from not knowing what to do. What's the standard progression in this game? Is there even one?

>>17429975
Start doing the main story. You can take your time and work through Lesimas a little at a time. Meanwhile, you should be preparing to start doing the fixed quests in every town and gather artifacts. The castle, tower and crypt will be your first challenges. You could also dip your feet in low level random dungeons. After beating the main quest, you're probably strong enoug to do the chaos fortresses. Somewhere around this time you will be able to easily beat panic/challenge quests, relatively high level dungeons, and craft like mad. Then you can move onto the quests and story of the second continent, get proper herb farms going, maybe take a stroll in the Void (can be done earlier too)...

But in the end it's a sandbox, you can do what you want

>>17429975
Maybe do some quests you pick up from NPCs in town. Check your journal for ones you may have already picked up as well. If you die doing them then go and do your own thing for awhile and come back when you're stronger. Also start finding ways to make lots of gold so you can start investing in vendors.

Elona is a sandbox game. You make your own goals and you do things at your own pace. That pace is usually going to be slow as this game is about slowly growing your character to become some unstoppable force of nature. Unlike other RPGs where you're automatically assumed to be this grand hero you start off as a nobody that's barely better than a slime. There's other adventurers doing it better and grander than you and it's fulfilling to eventually reach those levels.

>>17430035
Speaking of the other adventurers, I noticed some of them are even adventuring in South Tyris - even though that is like, a lifeless wasteland in Act I with nothing of value!

Reading up on the Claymore (class) wiki bit, is there actually some kind of penalty to the Evasion/Greater Evasion when you're above Light Armor?

This attempt is really teaching me that DV is not that great early on, PV seems to be better. Except for magic, which just rips your face off regardless at low levels.

>>17430107
You take that back. South Tyris or Act 2 is great and my waifu. Scenic villages and Act 2 has more opportunities to grow your character. Act 1 is slow as shit. Equipment weight doesn't matter with evasion. You either evade or you don't and stronger enemies probably just have higher skills making them hit more.

>>17430107
there is no penalty wiki page was written by delusional roleplayer.
also, both matter. its important to upgrade all armor pieces to some +3 level, join fighters guild and upgrade to +4-+5. if you are riding a mount, mount will intercept some damage for you. for tough situations (room fullof mages) keep a couple of bottles of resistance potions.
>>17429975
Elona is a bit bland if you are not into actual roleplay. Onmy last game i took a goal of making a farming mogul(and failed horribly at achieving that, heh), on next i‘ll probably start as a fisherman/part-time prostitute and make abusive dark engel ride me hard....ahem, well game provides too many tools to create amusing scenarios to take it as a simple grindfest rogue.

>>17429499
scut! is this a reference to existing character or original one?

>>17430159
I'm sorry anon I've never been there, and just some NPC dialogue mentions that South Tyris is some kind of inhospitable wasteland!

>>17430184
I never have tried out Riding still, come to think of it. I should probably give it a try. I know one of the nicer benefits is more Speed, which is nice, but it does also mean eating up a pet slot on something I just ride around...

>>17430219
mount is still a proper pet, it just cant move on it's own. everything else works properly.
most importantly, well equipped mount is your safety wall. There are several other non-obvious benefits like ignoring complicated bpdy penalty, when you or mount heals it recover both character's hp and so on.
You may want to add limbs to mount with gene engineering and take a feat 'become one with mount'.

So there's a bug where if you're making chocolates you're all but guaranteed to have random event happen during every step. Don't do it in town (or your home) especially one with werewolves, because you might lose some shopkeepers.

Also there's an even more massive bug: My character has been in this world for 10 years and has never found a wish rod. Who is responsible?

>>17430243
>'become one with mount'.
You mean "Zin-ba", right?

>>17430288
You got magic seed farms?

>>17430288
Wish rods are REALLY goddamn rare.

>>17430308
I've got about 6 magic seeds. Never worshipped kumiromi. How many farms do I need for 1 rod / year?

>>17430505
I get one every once in a while, but that's with a farm full of magical seeds. If you did regular harvest quests (e.g. at the start of the game) you'd have a nice stack of seeds by now

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>>17430243
>>17430297

>>17430567
If this is a very old feats, then I 'm either clinically blind or Alzheimer claimed a new victim.

>>17430574
It's Zinba, it's been around for a while under a different name.

>>17430574
it might be a translation change in elona+ custom
it also gives an english name to the Kokou feat

I haven't played + in years, I think the Yacatect Glasses were added around then. Are there TLed changelogs anywhere?

>>17430582
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29