Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1809

Can Japanese people look at a Chinese sentence and get the gist of it because of kanji, even if they can't pronounce it?

>>17038449
You can't?

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>>17038335
That's a good OP.
Makes me nostalgic for anki.

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>お姉ちゃんはそうでしょうともよ！
I can't really understand what she is trying to say in this sentence. Is this と and も as in two separate particles or 共 meaning "together with"? I honestly can't make grammatical sense of either of those cases.

I can understand everything else so honestly it wouldn't be such a loss for me to just move on but this sentence is really bothering me.

>>17038586
When did you moon sages completely drop Anki?

>>17038695
Look up とも on Jisho or any Japanese dictionary. It just adds emphasis and is made out of the と + も particles.

>>17038814
Alright, I got this "of course (as a particle used at the end of the sentence, which shows strong assertion)".

Please bear with me a bit if it seems like I'm a complete retard, but doesn't でしょう estate a certain degree of uncertainty, like 多分? If you combine that with とも meaning "certainly/strong assertion" doesn't that sound a bit contradictory?

Is she just trying to say something like that behavior was much expected from her sister/that's just how her sister is?

>>17038883
でしょう is reverse assertion

>>17038335
My IME is fucked up and I dont know what went wrong. One minute its typing fine and now its putting out a kana for every keystroke. What did I fuck up?

>>17038883
>doesn't でしょう estate a certain degree of uncertainty

No, it doesn't always. In a phrase like そうでしょう when said with a rising intonation it's like "right?"

>>17038924
I have a second computer that occasionally does this, never figured it out.

>>17038926
Alright, I got a pretty good picture of what's going on now. Appreciate it.

>>17038924
Lots of info there. Is it displaying the correct settings on the toolbar, etc?

>>17038958
It shows the IME is active and has the symbol for Hiragana up instead of alphanumeric. I swapped to kana but it does the same shit.

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>>17038964
>>17038924
These are the options currently selected. Maybe someone can see something I don't. I've diddled with most of them so far.

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>>17038978

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>>17038979

>>17038924
>its putting out a kana for every keystroke
>>17038978
>Input method: Kana Input

>>17039033
The only other option there is romanji input

>>17039039
that is what you want
use your noggin and test things

>>17039049
And with that, the mystery is solved. glad I could be your resident retard for the day

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Kana is the setting you want when you're used to Japanese keyboards.

Is Japan the best country in the world?

>>17039099
Not the whole country, only one part

>>17039143
Which part?

>>17039066
Not even natives use that shit

>>17039192
埼玉県

>>17039066
kana is the setting you want if youre a giant fucken weeb shit bag as opposed to a regular cool sexy well adjusted person

>>17038814
お姉ちゃんはそうでしょうともよ！（でも私は違う）

>>17039143
hokkaido master race

>>17039210
ネオサイタマになにかうらみが？

>>17039554
ないよ、本当に

>>17038696
Just about one year ago, two years in.

>もうやめとけっての
Can someone help me figure out what it's saying here, in context the person next to them is using abusive language online.　I think やめとけ is just the contracted form やめておけ, but don't really understand what ってのis doing. Is it something like "Hey, didn't I say to cut it out?"

>>17039966
>もうやめておけ（というのに、やめとけやめとけで、もしやめられたらいいのに、そうかんたんにやめられない）の

の略だよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

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>橋を通りかかったところを殺される
>ところを殺される

How does that work? Didn't think you could double up on を's in that manner, not to mention how strange following a verb + ところ with を + potential is.

>>17040041
*を + passive I mean.

>>17040041
>potential
I think you might need to give Tae Kim another read.

>>17040041
意味はわかるし

つかってもいるんだけど

なんでそういう形になるのかはわからないよ

ごめんね

>>17040041
Because 橋を通りかかった is modifying ところ.

>>17040053
see >>17040046

>>17040061
I know how ところ works normally with a verb, but following it with を殺される like that makes no sense.

>>17040057
Yeah, was hoping someone might know if it's some old grammar structure or something.

>>17040070
>like that makes no sense
It does though, hence it is used.
>if it's some old grammar structure or something
Nope, basic everyday Japanese.

Any website where I can get advanced cooking related dictionary without the basic stuff that everyone already knows?

>>17040073
It would make since if it was ところに殺された, how exactly does を make sense there? Unless it's some old and/or rare grammar structure, I've read a decent amount and never seen something like that.

>>17040090
>It would make since if it was ところに殺された
No it wouldn't because that's absolutely and utterly wrong.

>>17040090
>>17040095
「に」でも通じるよ

「を」のほうが古い感じがするとおもうよ

「、」だと意味が強くなるよ

>～ところ、殺された

isn't ところを a bespoke grammatical construction whose meaning can't be inferred from its parts

>>17040085
please stop making drugs

>>17040130
Very funny, what I meant is cooking as in food, you know cuisine or something?

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>>17038335
あ
俺が作った画像だ！うれしい

Is there a guide on how to text hook PCSX2 emulator?

>>17040302
According to some posts in the archive, you can't.
https://warosu.org/jp/last50/11320367

>>17040255
I admit it is a good one in that it is easy to find.

>>17040309
Some guy in that link reckons you can using cheat engine, but it sounds like a giant pain in the ass

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You will never learn Japanese from a 暴走族 while he forces you to smoke シャブ

who else gives up and restarts again every other month

>>17040462
they wouldn't speak the language as much as chew on it and spit it out
but if you're their bitch boy you'd probably excel in 尊敬語 after no time

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>>17040479
yea nah

Do you only need one bag of 麦茶 per litre of water or do people put in multiple to steep? Does anyone know what the standard Japanese method is for drinking it cold?

>>17040671
I don't know a bag which you thinking, but I always use only one mugicha bag.
Putting water and mugicha bag in the kettle.
Boil water. About 10 minitues or so.
Completion.
If you drink cold you could put ice or you could cool in a refrigerator.
The amount of water and the strength of the taste vary from home to home.
My mother likes strong so need 2 bags.

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>>17040762
Boil? If you want to drink cold wouldn't you just put the bag into cold water and wait for an hour or so?

Pic related btw

>>17040767
>カフェインゼロ
チョメチョメ

>>17040792
意味わからん
麦茶にはないだろう、普通に

Want to hear something weird? Whenever I forget a card I hold the replay button so it continuously repeats the audio, close my eyes and draw the Kanji in my head. It works surprisingly well to associate Kanji with readings and remembering how to read certain words. Maybe it's just my imagination but maybe it does help, you can give it a shot.

>>17040803
はい、間抜けです。許してく

>>17040767
The method is all right.
However I like to boil.

How do you stop yourself from microsleeping while doing Anki without overdosing in toxic shit like coffee?
It's so dry and boring that my brain just keeps shutting itself down all the time.

>>17041193
take amphetamines

>>17041193
I do it on mobile away from the computer as early in the day as I can for maximum concentration.

>>17041193
Just let yourself sleep, and then resume again when you wake up. You should really doing your reps as early in the morning as possible though.
If you think your recall rate is suffering from a general "tiredness penalty", then you should probably give yourself more time to remember each card that doesn't come straight away. Overstrict time limits will increase your workload, and the slightly quicker response time won't help you that much in the real world where context and anticipation are what unlocks the highest speeds.

>>17040828
Many times a list of words come to my mind and I immediately start writing them, and then I remember the reading, or even the meaning.
For example: 覚. My first thought is おぼえる, given that I know this kanji for a long time. But then 感覚 pops up into my head and I remember that it's also connected with "sensing" and so the reading かく appears in my head.
Or sometimes it's the opposite, I remember the reading, and only when I'm writing the vocab is when I remember how the kanji is written.

I decided to drop Tae Kim and Anki in favor of Duolingo, for now anyway. What level will I be at if I complete it, you think? N3?

>>17038449
I mean, I can, so I'd assume Japs can do it too.

>>17041389
N5

>>17041389
In case you're not trolling, no, not even close. If you use Duolingo at all it should be a supplement to your real study. Memorizing grammar patterns might make reading a bit easier in the beginning but you're not actually acquiring the language.

>>17041389
N6

>>17039066
Can I use this layout on a 60% keyboard?

What's wrong with Duolingo?

>>17041449
it's a deceptive waste of time

>>17041449
You get what you pay for.

You guys do realize that it's the same guy every day mentioning the service starting with D?

>>17041477
Just like with Anki?

>>17041486
Yes. We do. And we'll keep telling him to fuck off.

>>17041492
Who are you quoting?
>>17041493
With Anki you pay with your brain. Anki drinks your brain fluid. But you still learn japanese. :)

Hello

Where can I find Japanese subtitles for Koe no Katachi movie?

>>17041510
you can't

>>17040654

God damn, son

>>17041389
>What level will I be

Contrary to what everybody else says, I think you'd be sitting at a low N3 level. You're going to need some native reading material to supplement this though.

>>17041541
Why are you responding to yourself?

>>17041541
I'm N4 and the D's level is beneath my skill level in japanese. If you're going to hit N3 you're sure as hell not going to hit it because of the D.

>>17041550
>>17041554

I read that wrong, I though he said "I'm dropping Duolingo for Tae Kim and Anki"

My bad.

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>>17041389
Not even close, they claim to get you to N5, but it explains absolutely nothing. I really doubt anyone who used it as their sole study resource would ever pass N5.

>>17041554
Did you struggle hard when you got your N4? You might actually be better than you think.

>>17041562
あと、Duolingoって何？/r/learnjapaneseで聞いたことあるけど、よくわからん。

>>17041611
Sorry sub-N4. I only passed because I cheated, and I haven't studied since.

>>17041644
ゲーム的な言語勉強のSAS

>>17041647
>Cheating on a language proficiency test

Why the fuck are you even here then?

>>17041657
SAAS*

>>17041659
I dropped out of being a normalfag because of the shame. Now I'm a diligent hikineet. I'm here because I want to stay up to date on the right way to learn japanese for whenever I start again.

>>17041647
How did you cheat?

>>17041657
>>17041663
へぇぇ、キモ

>>17041668
I came up with a way to relay questions to someone else and receive the answer back from them. It was extremely convoluted. Wouldn't recommend.

>>17041676
Why did you cheat? Did you have to pass it for some reason

>>17041664
Learning languages is a cumulative process. The only "right way" is to start right now.

>>17041681
I wanted to see if I could.

>>17041389
at what level will i be if do anki only? i'm really lazy for anything else, i'm too lazy to even learn katakana, i mean it's mostly loanwords so it can wait a bit.

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>>17041707
You might be able to force yourself through something extremely simple like Zettai Reiiki if you ankidrone your way through the most common couple thousand words. It would be like 1k if the frequency list were based on media instead of general japanese, but it's not.

The only way to gain fluency is a language is to consume shittons of it, so since that's your end goal anyway, you should treat it like everything you do is just to make that easier.

>>17041726
>It would be like 1k if the frequency list were based on media instead of general japanese, but it's not.

Basically, each domain of communication in a given language has shittons of nouns that only show up in that domain of communication.

The domain of communication in magazines and newspapers, even for otaku-related news like idol drama, is very consistent, and very different than that of entertainment media (stories).

Stories themselves are very broad as a group, but if you cut it up into demographic niches like "shounen manga", "science fiction", "otaku visual novels", etc, you get a lot of consistency among each demograhpic, and they have a consistent overlap that gives them that "entertainment media" (stories) feeling.

The smallest domain lexically speaking is, ironically, internet communications. You can get the largest lexical coverage of internet communications by knowing the fewest words of any other group. The main problem with internet communications is that the language usage needs you to read between the lines extensively and identify the niche community cultural oddities behind it. It's like those scifi alien languages where the people communicate 50% in references to historic events, except it's with references to shared ideas instead. That said, if you're already on 4chan, you shouldn't have a hard time picking up "board culture" when you go to twitter or 2ch or newsokur or whatever. It's obvious if you know that it's a thing and have the right intuitive idea of how people use it.

>>17041193
It's only dry and boring because you make it so. Use your imagination. Make it exciting.

>>17041726
i've been doing anki for only 10 hours, but i can recognize a lot more words in anime now, too bad i barely watch it these days, the only japanese media i consistently consume are shooting games.
i can understand some things in that page you posted, so i guess it's working.
>>17041832
i once fapped doing anki, imagining words in lewd situations, that didn't help me merorise them more though.

>>17041726
>The only way to gain fluency is a language is to consume shittons of it

I wish I knew this before I consumed a metric shitton of the steaming pile of feces that is Japan. Now I'm fluent in a language that has no use to me, seeing as I have come to hate all forms of Japanese media and my career field makes going to Japan an impossibility.

>>17041955
Why do you still post here?

>>17041955
>my career field makes going to Japan an impossibility
There are ひきこもり in Japan as well, anon.

>>17041707
Your reading speed will be about equivalent to a 5 year old, and any sentence with more than about 2 or 3 clauses will fuck you up.

>>17041964
I don't very often, but I come here out of habit sometimes.

>>17041973
>ひきこもり
Basically most japs.There is also no real party scene in Japan which further turns me off to the country. The ones who do go out are all overly edgy with their "LOOK GUYS I'M SMOKING WEED DESU LOOOOOL".

>>17042174
>There is also no real party scene in Japan which further turns me off to the country. The ones who do go out are all overly edgy with their "LOOK GUYS I'M SMOKING WEED DESU LOOOOOL".
I think this is a you problem. Normal party behavior is exactly as edgy as "look guys I'm smoking weed!!!"

>>17042174
Go back to /int/, faggot.

>>17042174
You don't belong here.

/r/ing the Learn Japanese from Romaji meme - the pic. 宿題のため。

>>17042221
Fuck off, cancer.

>>17042229
Nah

I want to be loved by everyone.
loveをkind toに変えるには？

>>17042337
I want everyone to be kind to me.

>>17042367
おｋさんくｓ

What would it take me to learn to read japanese? Do I have to include grammar in the proccess? I started by learning hiragana and katakana, still not perfect.

>>17042393
You can't just learn to "read", you have to learn to understand the language in general, which, yes, includes grammar.

>>17042384
おくさんおまたくさい

Honestly, I question myself sometimes why I even took up learning this retarded language. When
>multiple translated VNs are released every month
>mangas are scanlated not long after they are released
>lots of fansubbing groups that provide decent subs for anime
>I don't even plan to work in Japan
>nor deem my learning this language useful, in any practical sense, in my life but to brag about it to people that I learned Japanese
Just かける my うんこ up.

>僕は見えない敵と戦っている白羽瀬の頭上に、取り出したリンゴをひとつ置いてやった。
Can someone tell me ンゴをひとつ置いてやった means here, I'm completely stumped. I don't know if ンゴis a contraction of something or just slang from what I found online (which I can't make sense of in context anyways). Any help is appreciated.

>>17042600
Look closer.

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>>17042600
Lel I read that and saw 取り出したり as well. It's actually just リンゴas in apple.

>>17042608
Oh, it's just リンゴ isn't it?

>>17042633
Yeah I think the sentence comes out as meaning "While she didn't notice me as she was arguing online, I got an apple and put in on her head" or something.

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>>17042599
んだべ

I learn it for the cute girls in jdrama like pic related.

>>17042599

At some point you will reach the point where you realize how fucking terrible half the translations are.

>Oh hey this VN looks good
>I wonder if it's translated
>...
>Welp

>>17042675
Who is this semen demon?

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>>17042743
Sumiko (Matsumoto Honoka) from Hiyokko.
Here is Mineko (Arimura Kasumi) from the same show, she is cute too.

Plus you learn cool words like 聖火、基板、抵抗器 and 1960 history from the show.
Much better than the stale uguu VN and anime plots.

>>17042759
Looks garbage.

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>>17042764
Well, no one beats sumiko that's for sure.

Reminder that nihon siki is the superior romanization system and if you use hepburn you're never going to make it.

>>17042849
>romanization system
>superior

They all have their advantages and disagvantages depending to which roman language you are romanizing your Japanese to.

For example chitose would be read as きとせ if you're Italian, but citose would be read correctly as ちとせ

>>17042899
>citose
That's not proper romanization. But hepburn isn't either, so I'll let you off on that one.

>>17042899
>roman language
Also romance language spelling is fucked up big time. Vulgar latin or get out.

>>17042904
Hepburn is a proper romanization by definition. Hepburn is allowed for romanizing japanese place names on signs.

>>17042899
really we should be doing this

しゃ
ca
ちゃ
tca
じゃ
ja
ぢゃ
dja

but because of bad memes, we don't

>>17042912
oh, and
づ
dzu
etc

>>17042909
Sure, the hepburn on japanese signs is a proper romanization. But the retarded modified hepburn which most people use definitely isn't.

>>17042912
None of those but "ja" are actually proper romanizations.

>>17042922
It's literally a hybrid of JSL romanization and hepburn romanization. Nothing wrong with changing between different proper romanization systems between letters!

>>17042928
i don't give a flying fuck about your delusional obsession with what's proper asshole

>>17042904
>That's not proper romanization
If you use titose no native speaker of a roman language can pronounce it correctly, if you use chitose only some will be able to.

My point was there is no correct way to romanize japanese because every language using romaji pronounces them differently.

In German you would have to use Tschitose because they read chi as hi or ki.

>>17042935
That just means that you're retarded.
>>17042929
JSL is a meme romanization that nobody ever uses. Modified hepburn isn't even a mix between normal hepburn and JSL, it's just an abomination. I'm talking about shit like pulling H's out of nowhere.

>>17042947
the only """proper""" romanizations are either neither phonemic nor phonetic, or impossible to type without an ime. nobody gives a flying fuck about your delusional personal opinions.
>Modified hepburn isn't even a mix between normal hepburn and JSL, it's just an abomination. I'm talking about shit like pulling H's out of nowhere.
spoiler: if you're not using macrons it's not hepburn

>>17042947
The only proper romanization is wapuro romanization restricted to the hepburn consonant orthography and with sensible treatment of syllabic Ns.

Why didn't anyone ever tell me I have to be a writter in order to translate?

>>17043143
We did. At least, WE did.

>>17043148
>we

The romanization that is most often used in this thread is the one that makes perfect sense to me.

ん = n, anything that uses 'm' is completely wrong.
No macrons because they don't always convey the exact sound and are basically wrong. 通り = toori. 東京 = toukyou.
しゃ = sha, etc. I don't really care about the romanization of these but this way works fine because it's pronounced the same way it's written with English.

Anything wrong with the above standards?

>>17041493

I payed $25 for Anki, so it works better for me than everyone else.

>>17043240

I generally agree (and christ do I fucking hate macrons) but I couldn't ever see myself taking things like Toukyou or Toosaka seriously.

>>17043240
>it's pronounced the same way it's written with English
Romance language fag here. Works for us too. Simple and efficient.

>>17043265
>paid for the Anki app
I feel for you, anon. That's so sad.

>>17043274
That's because tokyo is a loanword and tohsaka is a name written in not japanese.

>>17043274
Time to go home, EOP-kun.

>>17043265
I know, right. Paid decks are the best.

>>17043277
Speaking of >Buying Japanese learning material, who else here wanikani?
I've been using it for a few months now after switching from Anki, since I was unable to get myself to use it every single day, and it's been working much better for me than Anki did. Having to type in the meanings and readings gives it a better sense of satisfaction when you get it right, I think. I also feel like the subscription is part of what's keeping me active, since I'd just be wasting my money if I weren't using it every day.

>>17043324
The only part of wanikani that isn't pure garbage is its vocab list and you can get that in the CoR for free.

>Having to type in the meanings and readings
Anki can do this.

>>17043327
>Look you can get something similiar for free
I don't think you understand. The fact that it's not free is part of what's making me keep doing reviews every day.

>>17043349
>similiar
exactly the same
>The fact that it's not free is part of what's making me keep doing reviews every day.
this is a "you" problem

>>17043351
>this is a "you" problem
Yeah, I'm literally the only person in existence who's ever struggled with maintaining daily anki reviews.

>>17043377
That's when you start actually learning japanese instead of ankidroning, not switch to an even worse method.

https://youtu.be/3sAsNRDEwG0
Can you understand what he says? At first I thought it was an entirely different language.

>>17043492
I don't think you're supposed to.

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>>17042599
>"""translated""" VNs
>lots of fansubbing groups that provide decent subs for anime

>>17042739
>>17043558
>When you start checking fan translations against the original Japanese and not only find bad translations, but find that that a significant portion of translations are literally rewrites based on google translate

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>>17043725

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>>17043725
>>17043731
holi fuk
after i started i never looked up english translations.. is this what normals find acceptable? well i guess they dont have a choice

>>17043725
>>17043731
I refuse to believe those are real translations. The sentences don't even make sense at all.

>>17043725
>>17043731
Normally I think I don't know enough japanese to do translation but if this is what the people I'd be taking the place of are putting out I can only see it as a net positive.

>>17043731

Oh god that is horrifically bad.

>>17043773

It's really weirding me out. It's either real or a very good troll. You can tell where they fucked up and why and see how the following sentences were mangled to make sense in the context provided by the initial fuck up.

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>>17043725
>>17043731

Can you recommend one of the "writing guidebooks" from the cor?

I'm quitting my job next month and I want to print some stuff out for free until then.

Anything else you can recommend?

>>17041607
that bonus skill is laughable bullshit.

Is anyone using memrise? It seems like it's accomplishing basically the same thing as anki but I'm having more fun with it.

>>17044616
I used memrise with this deck https://www.memrise.com/course/1091255/sgjl-03-remembering-the-kanji-ko2k1-pt-1/.

Then I exported it to anki and I'm happier with it. Your mileage may vary depending on the deck, I guess. But I feel that mixing new cards with reviews is more effective with me than doing them separately, as you do on memrise.

>>17043324
I'm using it, if only because a well-meaning relative gifted me a subscription when they heard I was interested in Japanese study.

If the limits of the system don't bother you, then it works fine. I'll probably switch to Anki when my sub runs out, but in the mean time I'm not having any particular problems. I can definitely understand the motivating factor of not wanting to waste money by skipping reviews.

>>17039066
I think memorizing that will be harder than memorizing hiragana and katakana

Do the arrangement of the kana on the keyboard follow the same reasoning as our QWERTY keyboard? Like, the commonly used letters are far apart so you need both hands to type?

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So this... Is the power of 「DUO LINGUO」

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>>17044681
アカン

>>17044681
さすが

>>17044672
>follow the same reasoning as our QWERTY keyboard? Like, the commonly used letters are far apart so you need both hands to type?
qwerty was designed to reduce jamming while still being easy to learn and making it so that common letter sequences could be typed as strokes instead of needing to be broken up, not to split the common letters into different halves of the keyboard.

>>17044720
So are the kana keyboards designed the same way as those, then?

>>17044731
the only strokes you'd find in them are stuff like Xou, which would be Xo | u, with five possibilities for the first key. general answer is then 'no'

>>17044681
I don't get it. Is it bad or good?

>>17044681
なんだこれ。
学習applicationなのか？
混乱する。

>>17044681
>でんわ
wat

>>17044681
I thought that because of the first option that the words may not necessarily correlate with its accompanying picture, so you can't use purely graphical reasoning to find the answer, but what the actual fuck

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>>17044844
What's the problem?

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>>17044859
Thanks for the info. All I got was pic related.

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>>17044859

アホやろ

I have a more broad question about studying Japanese in general and then a question about a simple sentence which kind of illustrates what i mean. I'm preparing for N2 in July and I'm finding it extremely hard to "let go" of some things I don't know when I run into them.

What I mean is, while doing the mock test for example, there is plenty of vocabulary I don't know. Vocab is always my weak point on the exams. I study grammar first and foremost, kanji w/ WK (I like WK), reading, then vocab, listening but the first 3 I focus on. I wish I had the memory to memorize vocab lists but it doesn't stick so I choose to spend time on the others. I passed N3 but with a low score like this (also think I was lucky).

So during the mock (or real) test there will always be things we don't know. Its timed so I know we have to "let go" of this and continue reading but its difficult and the mental block almost cripples me continuing on in a passage for example.

Last night, I was skyping with a friend and she was asking me to finish some homework. She said 宿題を終わらせてください。I asked her why she didnt just say 終わってください？ She is a native speaker and much like an English native speaker many times I dont know the reason for something. I'm checking here because she didnt have a reason and my 2nd friends reason I didnt understand

Friend 1: "We just use 終わらせる to homework not 終わって"

Friend 2: "Using 終わってください sounds like youre giving respect to the homework, but its homework so you wouldnt do that. So use 終わらせる”

both of these explanations I didnt understand and although its a simple sentence for my level these small things are what I think can really eat time during an exam. Can anyone better explain this sentence and more importantly how to "let go" of certain things you arent sure of and just continue? I think its vital for JP learners and exam takers so we can be time efficient.

>>17044889
Things like that can't be understood. Just treat it like vocabulary and memorize it.

As for "letting go", try reading more without looking anything up until you develop a better tolerance for ambiguity.

>>17043492
doesn't sound that different from how regular japanese sounds to me, i can understand some words but that's about it.

>リンゴを手に、にひひと笑う。
What's is にひひと笑う supposed to mean here?

>>17044946
baboon is laughing?

>>17044955
I think it's "smiling like a baboon", but I have no idea what the に is doing before that.

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Hi guys.
I'm looking for the pdf of this book. Does anyone have it or something else like it?
The name is Read Real Japanese Fiction: Short Stories by Contemporary Writers

Are grammar decks for anki a good idea? How do I go about using one? I assume I can't memorize grammar like vocabulary

My OS drive died today. I have anki installed on another harddrive, but I want to make a backup of my deck and progress. I'm dual booting so I tried to run anki from my other OS, but my deck or my progress wasn't there.

Where does anki actually save this stuff? Is it tied to the windows user somehow? I haven't been able to find it.

>>17044681
キョンくん、でんわ

>>17044994
Just make an ankiweb account. Syncs to and from

>>17044979
Go to cornucopia of resources from the OP, then click the mega link for "Japanese Readers"

>>17045002
The issue is that when I run anki from my other OS it doesn't seem to have my deck or progress. So I don't think syncing it with ankiweb would do much good.

>>17045007
thanks but seems like the mega link in stuck in a loop. I can't access the download link

>>17045009
The other os hasn't saved your ankiweb details. Throw those in and let it sync

>>17045010
Try opening it in another browser.

>>17045014
nvm it worked eventually. Thanks a lot

>>17045011
I haven't used ankiweb before so it has nothing saved.

>>17044955
>>17044975
It's the sound of laughing.

You know, "ni hi hi" - the sound coming out of the person's mouth in that occassion.

You two were overthinking it as shit.

>>17045016
Go to the os where your currently updated anki is. Make an ankiweb account. Sync. You now have a backup that you can access anywhere with Internet. It even saves your media files

>>17045018
Sorry. I should have been clearer. I'm not sure where my updated anki is. I want to know if all my anki progress is saved in C:/Users/Username/Documents/Anki/ or if it's saved wherever I installed anki to. If it's the former I will have lost some progress because of C drive dying.

>>17045023
I believe it's all on the c drive. Depending on the version you have installed it's either in documents\anki or in your users\[name]\appdata\roaming

>>17045017
Yeah I thought it was either of the two (representing laughter or a baboon). The second に is just a continuation from the last break right, or is there a use for it?

>>17045027
Thank you. I lost four or five days worth of progress then. Could have been worse I guess. Good thing I made a backup of the disk before it died. I better set up ankiweb to prevent this from happening again.

>>17045032
There's really no reason not to use ankiweb. It's so convienent for when I use anki on the bus to work

氈鹿は怖いよね

>>17045028
The second に is a part of the sound - "ni hi hi".

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>>17045041
きゃああああああああ

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>>17045051
ち..近付くな！

>>17045050
Man I'm blind, should've looked at your post closer. Thanks anyways.

How much could I read just knowing just hiragana?

Of course I'm going to learn katakana and kanji as well, but I was just wondering what sort of things I could read just knowing hiragana. I feel like I'm getting to a point with hiragana where I could read it almost perfectly.

>>17045081
Nothing. Go study instead.

>>17045081
Nothing, you need to know grammar and vocabulary to read even hiragana-only children's books.

>>17045083
>>17045084
:-(

>>17045081
You could 'read' some children's books, in the sense that some of them are written completely in hiragana.

I can't speak about comprehension, though.

>>17045085
Fuck off back to plebbit, you mouth breather.

>>17045093
Only ear-breathers are allowed in /jp/

>>17045081
next to nothing. the more i learn this language, the more i appreiciate kanji becouse it's nearly impossible to tell words apart otherwise. plus, you'll learn meaning behind chinkrunes(though you won't know how to prounce it), which is really awesome and makes you feel special.

>>17045122
>chinkrunes
I much prefer moonglyphs

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>>17045033
Managed to import the deck and progress from 5 days ago. A made an AnkiWeb account today and I'm in the process of syncing it. Thanks for the help earlier.

>>17045033
Yeah, I lost my laptop and although I can no longer play all my erotic VNs, I can still practice my jap with my phone.

Do people here mine names, place names and other miscelaneous stuff (like period names, paintings, star names etc)?

>>17045387
No. Most people here aren't even learners.

おとこのこがほしい

>>17045387
Not really. I mine period names and astronomy shit like 彗星 (専門は天文学から) but you don't really need to remember names since they tend to have furigana the first time they appear in a work.

>>17045410
Dunno how it is for shounen manga or whatever you read but a lot of stuff I picked up never has any furi for names or places and just assumes you know them.

>>17045417
I see it in novels a lot.

>>17045417
>>17045420
Names for people that is, not for place names.

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>>17045387
stuff like 西暦 was in core so i mine things like 志徳 in some lame hope ill see them
I've just been looking up names on the jap wiki until i get them, slowly increasing my pool of common names without an anki deck

>>17042599
Eventually you're gonna come across a manga you really really like but the scanlators have dropped it long ago.

>>17045387
Anki is more of a daily game for me, like a crossword, so I like adding occasional 漢検1級 中二病 rare plants bullshit for random difficulty spikes

I'd say 1 out of 20 of my cards are words that I would suspend if I valued my time.

この夜にはセックスしました(*¯︶¯*)ｖ

>>17045603
卒業おめでとう

>>17042739
It's actually shocking just how widespread shitty translations are. I'm convinced that most fan translators are just using dictionaries for key words and guesswork the nuance. Don't even get me started on Japanese -> Chinese -> English translations.

>>17045603
手はだめでしょう

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>tfw those random japanese posts you find on most boards make even less sense than they did before you learned japanese

>>17045622
"anime subbed by people who don't know japanese" should be its own sub-genre of entertainment

>>17045667
it is its called subbed anime lol

Can anyone rec me some japanese games for android devices please.

>>17045603
嘘をついてはいけない

>>17045700
犯人は僕です and the 彼女 games by global gear

From Madokami:
>While it's not going to happen right away, we're going allow raw manga uploads again. People keep complaining about it, and (apparently) nobody else wants to run a terrible server themselves. (if you do run a terrible raws server yourself, let me know and I'll link to it). I think the initial decision to disallow raws was right, but that was like a year ago, so rejoice and stuff. I don't have a solid timeframe for when we'll actually do this, but it'll be sometime before, around, or after when I finally merge HTTP credentials with SFTP. Complain at me and it might get done Slightly Faster™
(´・ω・｀)

Additionally:
>If you have any ideas on this front, get in touch on IRC.

So sentences with こそすれ affirm the beginning part right? For example
私は彼に恨まれこそすれ、感謝される人間じゃない
Basically something like: I should be blamed/resented by him since I'm not the kind of person he should be feeling grateful to.

>>17045735
Why would they not allow raws in the first place?

>>17045774
Or rather 'I'm definitely not the kind of person he should be grateful to' the emphasis is on this part right?

>>17045780
"Scope creep".

>>17045774
http://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%93%E3%81%9D%E3%81%99%E3%82%8C

This channel is pretty new, but it has Japanese and English subs and they post near daily.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCYZrt6IwDJziq9uO7RwUOyg/featured

オレはこの文を見た。

お前に感謝されこそすれ、文句を言われる筋合いは無い。

I just got into reading manga lately and the every kanji has furigana thing makes me feel like I'm reading something written for idiots.

I mean I know it's for children but seeing things like 好き with furigana just feels like it crosses the line into mental retardation.

Is it just faggoty pride? Does this feeling ever go away or should I just give up on the shonen stuff I was saving?

>>17045861
Well no one forces you to read the children stuff anon. Try some seinen.
Or just abandon the shitty medium completely and move onto novels.

>>17045861
>Is it just faggoty pride?
yes, furigana is not put there to annoy you specifically

How hard is it to pass the n4 test?

>>17045836
へー

>>17045879
they say only 4 people ever passed it

Why do you think it's called n4

>>17045805
if we talking channels then dont go here
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCniCaPgAJUKUbJKSTbGvp4w/videos
cause shes tapped
stay for the drawing though

>>17045879
Oh, it's plenty hard.
N4 is at the point where they keep a few ambulances waiting outside and place a security guard in the room where testing takes place, to handle all the poor fellows who flunk it lose their sanity along with their registration fee.

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>tfw can't find scans of みくみくパンでミック anywhere
I regret learning this language.

>>17045879
It doesn't matter because no JLPT certificate under N2 has any practical use in real life.

>>17045879
Legend tells that when humanity faces its darkest hour, when the armies of hell rain fire upon the last bastion of hope for mankind, a hero will appear. A hero so strong he can move galaxies with his bare hands, a hero so fast he can destroy the fabric of spacetime itself, a hero so charismatic all beings that breathe life will swear undying loyalty to him, but even more than that, he is said to be so wise, so intelligent, so all-knowing, that he could even pass the n4 test itself.

>>17046105
>N2
>practical use

Has anyone here fully learned Japanese yet?

>>17046202
いもうと殿

>>17046214
Sorry, can't read Kanji yet. Did someone's sister learn it?

>>17046202
そんなやつ全くいねえよ爆笑

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>>17046202

>>17046202
yeah

>>17046202
I've been learning for a bit less than three years, and at the rate I'm going, I should reach an academic level of comprehension somewhere within the next 2-3 years. Only comprehension though, I'd have to go to Japan if I ever want to get good at speaking it.

>>17046319
Wow. Is this what they call a "meme"?

>>17045396
how so?

this entire thread is useless because of duolingo desu

>>17046420
same

>>17044889
終わる is an intransitive verb. You would use it with が instead of を which obviously sounds weird when making a request. You could probably use the transitive verb 終える (though it might sound awkward).

can I just start ankidroning kanji until my japanese book arrives (I like learning from physical)? I am a true beginner but it seems like learning kanji could be something I could get started on right now

you can do whatever you want right now

>>17046449
that's awesome!

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I will shill zettai reiiki to otherwise misguided beginners until someone else learns japanese from it like I did before them, like the last guy who shilled zettai reiiki did before me

>>17046440
I started out with a kanji Anki deck and reading Tae Kim. Deleted it when reviews started to seem lke a waste of time compared to the other decks. No regrets here.
Just make sure you have reasonable expectations from yourself, or else you'll end up with shit retention and spend way too much time on reviews.
For me, an acceptable answer used to be recalling something close to the actual keyword and hitting at least one or two of the onyomi. Kunyomi was optional.

>>17046464
No thanks, I don't want to read something that's cursed.

>>17046537
Cursed to learn japanese is a good curse, anon.

djt is a blessing not a curse

>>17046202

No I'm a lazy faggot.

If you don't cry you don't understand Japanese

2chから持ってきたこぴへ


うちは貧乏な母子家庭で、俺が生まれた時はカメラなんて無かった
だから写真の変わりに母さんが色鉛筆で俺の絵を描いて、アルバムにしてた
絵は上手じゃない
ただ、どうにかして形に残したかったらしい
ほぼ毎日、赤ん坊の俺を一生懸命描いてた
絵の隣に『キゲンが悪いのかな??』とか『すやすや眠ってます？』ってコメント付きで
小学四年生の時、家に遊びに来た友達数人に、そのアルバムを発見された
めちゃくちゃ笑われて、貧乏を馬鹿にされた
友達が帰って直ぐ、俺はアルバム三冊をバラバラに破いてゴミ箱に捨てた
パートから帰って来た母さんがそれを見つけて、泣きだした
破いた理由を言っても、変わらず泣き続けた
翌朝起きると、居間で母さんがゴミ箱から絵の破片を集めてセロハンテープでとめてた
「恥ずかしい思いさせてごめんね。でもね、これ、母さんの宝物なんよ」
申し訳なさそうに優しくそう言われると、涙が溢れ、俺はごめんなさいと謝った

>>17046622
;_;

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>>17046622
Guess I don't know japanese.

https://8020japanese.com/wa-vs-ga/

>>17046622
泣きました

なんてね ーボラット

オナニーやったのに気持ちいいならなかった

どうしてでしょう

>>17046668
Because you can't conjugate.

>>17046668
あなたは日本語授業に行けばなんとかなると思う

>>17046622
>絵は上手じゃない
Sad! Should've just given up right there and there tbqh desu.

〜射精中投稿〜

ホラ吹き術
ってどういう意味ですか

シャクハチを吹き

お前ら人間じゃねぇ！

>>17046740
で？

>だからこそ、私は私が本物だと感じたものを信じる
>私は私が
???

>>17046861
Did you even read the whole phrase?

>>17046861
だからこそ、私は[私が本物だと感じたものを]信じる

Is this
http://www.humanjapanese.com/home
any good?

>>17046998
no
read the guide

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>>17046622

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Is there any way to use steam to learn Japanese?

>>17046622
That's one shitty kid

>>17047348
Yes. Pour some water in a pan, boil it, drink it, exhale the steam and scream 痛っ！
おめでとう, you're now speaking in Japanese.

>>17047348
not until the holy works of romeo tanaker get put on there

>減らす
>減る
What is the difference? Neither the dictionary, nor tatoeba are really helping me on this.

>>17047725
Transitive intransitive resp.

>>17047725
You should be worried.

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>>17047725
減らす
Transitive

減る
Intransitive

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/in-transitive
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/#abbreviations

>>17047729
>>17047744
Screw that transitive/intransitive crap. Thanks, anons.

>>17047348
Basically all the VNs on Steam have Japanese in addition to English text, and some even have the ability to display both at once, I guess.

>>17047962
I didnt even know that they had VNs on there desu
I just started playing games again on there desu

>>17047738
Not him but really what's the point of posting shit like this? You are clearly not interested in helping anyone, you just want to be an ass on the internet.

>>17047995
If you need help with nooby stuff you'd be better off asking on reddit.

>>17047982
yah you can buy alot of trash bag tier games like clannad at bad prices on it

very recommend

>>17048005
I am terribly sorry for hurting your sensibilities by asking a question about Japanese in the DJT. I shan't do it again.

Been too stressed to do Anki. What do?

>>17048075
Read more.

誰もが本当に遠くに行っても、より多くのように見たいと思って使用することを決めた？

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>>17048075
you man up and do it

>>17048075
It's not like you have to it all at once. Do some, take a break, do more, take a break, etc.

>>17048075
Personally I found the best way to do Anki is during free time when I'm doing some of other shit. I do it on mobile all the time in between classes. The more relaxed I am the more distracted I get.

>>17048060
japanese is a language to be learned by yourself in a bubble reading thru hentai porno games

>>17047783
Transitive and intransitive verbs exists in English as well so I'm not sure what the hell you're struggling with.

prolly the whole knowing nerd ass grammar terminology thing

Transitive verbs accept a direct object. Intransitive verbs do not. Note that there are exceptions in all languages where some phrases make intransitive verbs appear to accept an indirect object.

>>17048172
It's in Tae Kim. Why didn't you read it?

What's the actual verdict on the Duolingo course? I read most of TaeKim a few months ago, but I got busy with life and I need to brush up on the basics and start learning vocabulary.

Is it good for the basics? I guess there's a lot of memeing going around and it's seen as the plebs way to start, but I just wanna get really familiar with the basics again.

I thought memrise was a pretty fun way to learn, so if it's better than that. I had a tough time staying motivated to do Aniki back then since it was mostly memorization and I didn't type anything. That's another issue entirely though.

>>17048671
Yes, it's good. Ignore the autists here, I tried it myself and it worked great. It's a fun and innovative way to learn a language. Also available for IOS and android, 100% free of charge!

呑吐

>>17048703
So I take it this thread is in a state of being triggered by all mentions of it. Childish. I was just wondering if it was a good secondary way to learn the basics.

>>17048728
So I take it that you're a retarded newfag who needs to fuck off right fucking now.

>>17048736
I just explained that I've gone through TaeKim before thanks to this thread, but real life issues made me take a break and now I wanted to know if it was a good shortcut to the basics. If by newfag you mean "don't come here every day", then yeah.

This general has always been extremely helpful and kind in the past. You're being very immature because I mentioned something that you apparently do not approve of.

>>17048671
>>17048728
>>17048758

It doesn't bring you anywhere near the N5 level (which is "I almost didn't flunk Japanese 101 in college" level) and it's extremely inefficient because it refuses to actually explain anything ever.

Reading through tae kim once gives you more than duolingo, and if you need help remembering what you learned from tae kim, duolingo is not the way to go, period.

○o。.泡.。o○

>>17048758
If you don't want to seem like a newfag, maybe lurk a bit more before posting dumb shit.

>>17048761
Thank you for that. I had no idea what the course actually was. I just saw people above making jokes about it.

>>17048767
I just explained that I don't come here regularly. I'm not trying to act like I do.

>>17048787
You can read a review about it here https://kumasensei.net/learn-japanese-duolingo-review/ (sorry if have ads, I have adblock disabled). The tl;dr: is that it technically does teach you japanese, but it's plagued with incompetent mistakes (like audio playback using the wrong readings in some places), teaches very little, encourages learners to learn pathetically slowly, and doesn't even teach you useful travel phrases even if you're a filthy normie.

>>17048794
>sorry if have ads, I have adblock disabled
"sorry if they have ads, I have adblock enabled?"

>>17048794
>Apparently, Duolingo considers 20 minutes of studying per day “insane.”