Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1808

>>17019068
How does the に work in 川をきれいにしましょう

Is it the same as in 買いに行く?

Without rikai hovering over it, how many people here know 稈 or 硅石 or 雉? Just kind of wondering as I noticed my mining cards seem to be mostly random specialized stuff now and I'm not even in the five digit range yet.

>>17019123
Can you read a book without hovering over it?

>>17019152
You mean not looking up anything? Far from it. At least talking about the books I'm interested in. Even though I would say I know all the "normal vocabulary" a lot of stuff has random words like the ones above which kind of kills the flow. I predict it will be about 15k~ mined cards before I feel truly comfortable.

>>17019188
And what books are you interested in?

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>>17019188
>I predict it will be about 15k~ mined cards before I feel truly comfortable.
try double that

>熱海湾に面した沿道は白昼の激しい陽射しの名残りを夜気で溶かし、浴衣姿の男女や家族連れの草履に踏ませながら賑わっている。
Can anyone explain the causative usage of the 踏む here? Shouldn't it be passive, since it's being trampled on?

>>17019261
Not really. One only needs ~9.5k words to know 95% of the words that come up in novels.
I'm sure you don't know all of the words in your native language either. But you can derive its meaning by context. Or by looking up in a dictionary.

>>17019272
Personalization of the 沿道? I.e. it's 賑わっている because in a metaphorical sense it's letting people's 草履 踏む on itself?

>>17019315
And by "personalization" I mean "personification".

>>17019272
こった

ごった

にほんごっぽいにほんごだから

英訳はかなりむずかしいよ

とにかく、お祭りの描写なんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>17019272
Road is making the people walk around despite themselves because it's just that nice of road.

>>17019444
>>17019495
Two poles of autism.

>>17019120
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/adverbs

>>17019123
I knew 硅石 and 雉 but I know about 28k words according to online tests

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>>17019261
I feel pretty comfortable at 15K. Not fluent, but for a game like Subahibi I get maybe 5 new words per 1K lines. You could guess or skip those without missing much if you wanted (although looking them up is no problem). The number of cards in your deck is also not a great indicator of its value. I'm generous with adding cards, but I do make the bare minimum effort to not add totally obvious shit. There's one anon here with 3500 kanji spread over 6000 cards, and on the other hand I've seen someone who claimed to have 20K cards while knowing only 2.7K kanji.

>>17019286
>>17019643
Unless you are doing double sided cards you are merely training recognition (i.e. passive vocabulary). A native speaker's passive vocabulary ranges from 25k-50k depending on factors like their education and social circle. Now mining that many cards can be a bit troublesome, in the latter stages of language learning words should be learnt more passively. Mined words therefore seems to be a bad indicator of how good you are or how well you will read.

>>17019643
>but for a game like Subahibi I get maybe 5 new words per 1K lines
I have 7k cards and there's not a single word in Subahibi I don't know heh.

>>17019706
(there are more than 7k words in subahibi)

>>17019715
Does that exclude obvious compound words?

>>17019724
Some but not all.

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What's a nice Japanese font for Word?
I use it for notes, saving song texts and stuff like that.

While I'm at it, I can barely read the entries when using a J-J dictionary with rikaisama, is there a way to increase the size?

>>17019727
fonts section of the cor

>>17019715
I see you are a very smart individual.

>>17019727
Get good.

>>17019733
Some people are really that stupid.

Is there any anki core2k like deck that doesn't (or rarely) us any kanji, but rather hiragana and katakana?
Basically I want to learn vocabulary separately from kanji, as I think that my pace will be much faster that way.
Also listening comprehension is more important than reading for me.

>>17019914
Bad idea no matter what your goal is. You can theoretically simply restructure the existing core decks as they have the Kana information in there but it's simply inadvisable. If you really want to to learn Kanji, do that, but also learn the vocabulary with the Kanji. That way your studies overlap. Trying to categorize and isolate language learning sections only harms you.

>>17019931
How can it harm me if it is the way japanese people learn?
First the words are learned and then the kanji.
I think it will hamper me if I fixate too much on the necessity of reading kanji, as I can learn vocabulary much faster than kanji.
Kanji study is something I will do separately, but at a lower pace.
As for the deck, maybe I will write a script which automates the process.

>>17019966
Whatever works best for you, good luck.

>>17019966
Rule of thumb for all language learning: the more you struggle the more you learn. Go ahead and do whatever you feel will make it easier but you are only burning time on inefficient learning.

As for the cards, you literally only need to change the styling and that's it.

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I'm two-thirds of the way into Core6k and I realized what a mistake I've made by not reading and mining after finishing Core2k. I'm a できない

>>17019966
Do you want to learn Japanese in 10+ years?

>>17019996
Just start reading right now.

>>17019996
It doesn't really matter, core is garbage and distributes common words throughout the entire 6k instead of frontloading them. It's inefficient but you still spent your time learning useful things.

>>17020002
If I am able to learn more vocabulary in a shorter time, I will gain understanding quicker.
Especially since listening comprehension and speaking is high priority for me, as I will spend a lot of time in Japan soon.
Knowing a lot of kanji is not really necessary for day to day life in japan, understanding others, knowing how to form sentences and speak is.
Also I didn't say that I won't learn the kanji writings of vocabulary, but I will do this separately.

>>17019987
>As for the cards, you literally only need to change the styling and that's it.
Thanks, this was quite easy.

Is 名前 a loan word?

>>17020061
Yea, from Chinese.

>>17020080
Well not a loanword but etymological roots. Nothing to do with the English name.

>>17019996
Time spent "studying wrong" is not time wasted. As other anon said, you without a doubt learned something useful in your time spent with Core. There are only two modes to this game: Learning Japanese and Learning Japanese faster. Remember that the only way to actually fail at learning Japanese is to give up. If your methods are horribly inefficient but your resolve is sincere, you will still learn the language, even if it takes twice as long as another guy.

>>17020080
I mean from English.

>>17020136
Are you retarded?

>>17020141
No. I'm just asking if 名前 is a loan word from English.

>>17020148
So you are.

>>17020154
No. I'll repeat my question, is 名前 a loan word from English?

>>17020038
Here's one problem with your idea: Homophones. How are you supposed to know whether かみ is the thing you take notes on, the fuzzy stuff on your head, or the dude in the sky you throw coins at on New Year's? This isn't a problem in spoken Japanese because you have the context clarify. Not so with Anki.

>整理したものを系統別にちゃんとまとめておきました。
I have a hard time coming up with an English word for 系統別, anyone have an idea? I know that it means he tidied up everything into a neat system with differentiation but I can't come up with anything that sounds more eloquent than that

>>17020160
I don't know japanese.

>>17020173
Fuck off, faggot.

>>17020161
In such cases I can just learn the kanji.
It's not like I hate the idea of learning them.

>>17020080
Chinese don't say 名前...

>>17020160
http://gogen-allguide.com/na/namae.html

>>17020182
Can you tell me if 名前 is a lone world from English?

>>17020216
I too would like to know this.

>>17019580
that's not how adverbs work

t. not bothering reading the chapter to see if it actually covers more than adverbs

>>17019120
let's make the river きれい

>>17020184
The language is full of them. You can do whatever you want but you'll probably end up confused.

>>17019987
>the more you struggle the more you learn
W R O N G
HOLY SHIT

This is absolutely retarded, never even attempt to spread this bullshit again.
Struggling can mean so much more than "challenging yourself in a worthwhile way."

>>17020281
t. babby who can't read more than Yotsubato and moege after a year still

>>17020166
"by {group, class, order, et.c.}"?

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Are any of you guys good enough to understand the news? It took me like 3 years to get to 80-90% anime comprehension, and watching the news (or really any kind depiction of normal Japanese people speaking) I'm only getting like 20-30% comprehension. I guess I just realized it's gonna take me another three years to understand normal Japs and I've come here to complain about it. I hate waiting. Any listening comprehension advice?

>>17020286
You sound like the kind of faggot to defend pressing again on new cards because "it makes my stats worse, which means my training regime is harsher, which means my gains are greater"

Being autistic =/= making progress. At least study for half a year before infesting the thread with your bullshit.

>>17020312
Listen to massive quantities of comprehensible material. If it took you 3 years then you did something really wrong or didn't spend much time.

>>17020323
You can't learn Japanese.

>>17020286
t. N2-kun

>>17020332
Too late.

>>17020323
>defend pressing again on new cards
What? Are you supposed to press pass despite not knowing the card?

>>17020265
The pattern is adverbial form + する・なる regardless of whether it's still considered an adverb. That's why it's in that section.

>>17020342
You're supposed to press the 10 minute button. It makes literally no difference in the long run (read: 1 week, seriously) other than skewing your statistics. The "pressing again" statistic is for cards you forgot, to track your retention. What do you achieve by including 20 cards you have not yet learned into your retention statistic?

>>17020330
Well, maybe I'm exaggerating a bit. I didn't even bother mining words in anki until about six months ago, so if we're being liberal here I could say I didn't start REALLY learning japanese until about a year ago.

Have any recommendations for real people speaking Japanese at a fast pace besides the news though? All I know about is the news and anime.

I don't understand the dictionary's definition of 同居人.
>一緒に住んでいる家族以外の人。
A family you that you live with the exception of people? The main thing that's confusing me is 以外.

>>17020367
[一緒に住んでいる] [家族以外] の人。

>>17020367
People you live with except family.

>>17020342
Of course not. Pressing "Good" on a card you don't know doesn't make much sense does it?

>>17020357
Have you ever taken a look at the statistics screen or are you just retarded?

>>17020367

It can also mean "other than" or "outside of".

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can one of you type this captcha for me please? thanks.

>>17020404
問根堀

So I was reading this Chiebukuro post to understand better the difference between 中味 and 中身, and as general practice.

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1142504986

The difference proved not hard to grasp, but I came upon this phrase.
>「ミカンの中味」と言えば
>皮を剥いた真ん中の《だいだい色の球体の可食部分》に、
>その実の詰まり具合や味などの内容を含んだもの。

Am I correct in understanding that 実 is 「み」, and that the meaning of その実詰まり具合 is to the extent of "The consistency of the fruit body"?

>>17020423
>その実詰まり具合
Missed a の here, but it's in the quoted text.

>>17020404

といねほり

>>17020433
thanks so much, worked perfectly. you're the man.

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https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4874246788/

How's this compared to DoJG?
Seems like very little learners actually own it and no pages online for me to check the quality.

>>17020508
Probably better since it's more modern but nobody's ripped it yet and I'd only buy it to do so if it were available on .com.

>>17020508
>>17020510
Also, the japanese version is in the CoR, IIRC, but I don't know whether it's an old revision or not.

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>>17020508
The Japanese version is pretty good. Better than DoJG in a lot of ways, although the focus is different so the comparison isn't straight-forward. Here, I had this excerpt.

>>17020511
>>17020584
Are you sure the Japanese version of this is in the CoR? I've searched through the files containing "handbook" but didn't find it.

>>17020508
Someone posted some photos of the English version a while ago.
http://imgur.com/a/TNJ8J

>>17020632
日本語文型辞典

>>17020642
>http://imgur.com/a/TNJ8J
Looks good. Hope scans appear eventually.

>>17020312
>Are any of you guys good enough to understand the news?
Nope. I'm not even a learner to be entirely honest with you.

>>17020734
Then what the hell are you doing here!

>>17020759
Trying to become a learner.

>>17020760
You can do it.

When are two kanjis equal?

真面目の一歩はいいアニメです！！！

>>17020508
>>17020584

I have the english version (and all the DOJGs). This one is basically all example sentences for grammar points, while the DOJGs focus more on detailed explanations.

Both are useful.

>>17020809
When they share the same unicode codepoint

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Han_unification

>>17020642
>日本語文型辞典
Thanks mate (really should've been able to find that on my own, though).

>>17020812
I bet you think you did something smart.

what's the name of the jap font used in Persona 5?

>>17020812
>真面目
Wrong letter, buddy. It's はじめ, not まじめ.

>>17020827
Them's fighting words, senpai.

Ok, I'm retarded and tech illiterate. I downloaded the Core 2k/6k anki deck from https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html but now I don't know if I'm being shown cards from 2k or 6k. There are 6k cards in total but do the cards go from easy to hard or are they just shown randomly? Do I need to make a selection to learn the simpler cards first?

>>17021267
Every card has a number. Cards with smaller numbers are shown first. 2k is simply the first 2k cards. 6k is both 2k plus an additional 4000 cards for a total of 6000 cards.

>>17021267
>>17021269
Also anki has an option for showing new cards in random order, make sure it's disabled.

>>17021269
>>17021272
Thank you, that's exactly the explanation I needed.

I'm getting back into Anki but I can't find the optimized core10k anymore. Does anyone have a link?

>>17021398
Just mine you dumb fucking drone.

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I'm working through the genki books, I'm at chapter 7 of the first one right now.

When should I start looking into japanese pen-pals? I'd like to get accustomed to writing/speaking with an actual person.

No matter where I look I can't seem to find a decent explanation of んじゃない, even though it comes up everywhere. Judging from the contexts I've seen so far, it seems like it can be a either a command or an assertion, and either positive or negative, which is very confusing, and de-abbreviating it to のではない often doesn't seem to make any sense either.

>>17021464
Talk to one ASAP.
They're all pretty helpful.
Try hellotalk

>>17021507
https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/6997868.html
It's basically a softer, less direct version of the rhetorical じゃない

>>17020812
is this a parody

Does anyone know how to write with furigana?

>>17021702
What's a furigana

(blog commencing)
i went through the japanese course of duolingo through a hack because why not.

it's full of nuances, sometimes the kanji is not read, and expect it to be good once it gets full of feedback.

also there's a subculture and a olympics sub-course as a bonus. i couldn't use them because it kicked me out.

tl;dr keep doing your daily studies and don't even attempt looking at this until more than a couple months pass. It's for n5 babies anyway.

>>17021708
So you realised that your post was a blog but submitted it anyway?

>>17021708
nobody (reasonable) here thought duolinguo was going to be useful

Why do we have so many mouthbreathing retards like >>17021707 here lately?

>>17021745
Looks like we're being raided by /r/learnjapanese.

I know I'm repeating myself but do you guys know of any alternative link to the All About Particles anki deck? The one at DJT seems to be down

>>17021947
Please do not learn grammar in anki.

>>17021552
Not exactly. I found more or less what I was looking for here:

https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/8789955.html

apparently んじゃない can also work as a negative imperative, even though that might mean almost the opposite of it's interpretation as a rhetorical question.
I still don't really understand how it can mean that (the top answer seems to have a go at explaining but they are still a bit vague), but that's just japanese for you I guess.

>>17021953
Not him: If the deck is structured like a dictionary of particles I think it's fine. If it's something else though I agree. I don't have the deck so I don't know, but I accidentally mined particles when I started out and it actually helped, i.e. I recognize the ones I mined with more reliability.

>>17021947
I don't have a copy, but if you really wanted it you could remake it using this.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1WRDMOoote81ar83frLpXtXMuqqLyVvbK0Ad01Bz_Cuc/edit?authkey=CNvEn78D&hl=en&hl=en&authkey=CNvEn78D#gid=0

You'd have to export it as tab-separated files, import that into Anki and remake the style/template yourself.

Do you go through your cards all in one sitting or do you only do an amount of them at a time before coming back later in the day?

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>finish reps on 23:58
FUCK, YEAH!

STREAK PRESERVED!

>>17021507
>and de-abbreviating it to のではない often doesn't seem to make any sense either.
but they're the same thing

Is there a replacement for Rikaisama?

>>17022193
what part of のではない makes a negative imperative then? I've seen plenty of rhetorical questions as のではない（か）, but I've never seen a negative imperative expression written like that.

>>17022301
A physical dictionary.

I think some anon mentioned yomichan or some shit not so long ago, not sure if it is any good though.

>>17022311
can't really tell you what part makes it work like that, but it's used like that, like のだ can be used to give a command/instruction

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>>17022311
>>17022347
The superior grammar guide mentions it.

>>17022393
sorry i don't want to learn manga japanese

>>17022411
Good luck learning tae kim japanese then.

>>17022311
>廊下で走るんじゃない！
If you tried to translate it literally it might be something like, "Running in the hallway is not the thing!"
That is to say, it's not the proper/expected thing to do. You should do something else instead.

>>17022301
>>17022331
Yomichan is good, that's what I've been using as a Rikaisama replacement. I had to upload my own J-to-J dictionary for it though.

>>17022311
I assume it's never expanded to のではないbecause it's an inherently slangy way to make a command. Putting one part of your slang in proper Japanese sounds silly.

>>17022024
Thanks a lot!

sorry guys, I give up

>>17022676
Good

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>>17022676

>>17022676
How far did you make it

>>17022761
finished genki 1 and 2

tried to immerse, and I can't understand a goddamn native thing no matter how much I work at it

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could an anon help me recognize the radicals?

Which kanji is the most complex/has the most strokes?

>>17022911
鬱

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>思春期に大量に分泌される化学物質のなせるわざだ
What does 思春期に mean in this sentence? Is the の replacing a が?

>>17022916
Trying to write that thing makes me depressed.

>>17022920
Are you fucking braindead? Go back to learning particles, retard.

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>>17022924
I think I got it now. The される was what I needed to look at. Long passive phrases are difficult.
Thanks for the help anyway.

>>17022920
it's the work of chemical substances that are released in large quantities during puberty

>>17022967
Ah, thanks. I see it now.

I think I want to get a kanji book. Should I get remembering the kanji or kodanshas kanji or another?

>>17022920
That なせる confused me at first. It's not actually the potential form of なす and just means した.

https://kotobank.jp/word/%E7%82%BA%E3%81%9B%E3%82%8B-588795

>>17023007
文語は楽しい

Where do you guys go to double-check stroke order?

Are some places better or worse than others? I've been using http://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/home/ but I don't know shit.

>>17022818
You probably need to try a bit harder than that. Just do it slow

アノン君ファイト！
頑張れー

Based on 8 VNs, only one of which is particularly short, only ~24k words show up in more than one of them. And something like, I'm ballparking this here, 25% of those are loanwords from english or not "words of their own" (adverb forms of i-adjectives, compound verbs, nouns with derivational affixes attached).

>>17023116
I don't care about stroke order

>>17023116
If WWWJDIC doesn't have a stroke order animation I just Google "[kanji]　書き方"

Going through Genki 1 now. When should I start core 2k? After Genki 2?

数たちをよく聞こえることを磨く方法を教えて、お兄ちゃん

日本語が中途半端に入ると難しいな。。。

>>17023566
You could start now. But I'd start by solidifying a bit of grammar and then moving to native content you're interested in so that you learn stuff in context, instead through a seemingly random order of words and expressions.
If you don't understand, which is normal, there's always jisho.

>>>/int/74820293

日本人

変格活用まで理解しようとすると無理だよ
感覚で覚えるもんだし

>>17023747
せ、し、す、する、すれ、せよ
こ、き、く、くる、くれ、こ・こよ
ただの暗記なんだよ

>>17023765
暗記か？
普通に俺は感覚で使っちゃうから難しい
でもそれを理解した上で使ってる日本人少なくね？

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>>17023664
よく聞くと聞き取りが良くなるだろ

>>17023338
It is useful.
You should.

>>17023765
投稿を訂正しろ！

>>17023808
何が悪いの？
たしかに口語では
し・さ・せ、し、する、する、すれ、しよ・せよ
こ、き、くる、くる、くれ、こい
なんだけど

>>17023808
流石お兄ちゃん説明がうまいな

>>17023817
>しよ
しろ
ってへ

I don't have the discipline to get any farther on my own in Japanese. I really need a structured native tutor at this point, especially because I want to focus on business level Japanese.

If I can't find a live tutor in my area or classes, does anyone have suggestions of paid websites with streaming sessions that give good results and are well structured and intensive? I have plenty of free time and money isn't really an issue.

>>17023817
日本人ですら国語、古文で小中高12年かけて学ぶもんを文字で理解しろって無理ゲーだから怒ってるんじゃね？

怒ってるなら英語で書いてくれるとわかりやすい

日本語を仕事で使えるレベルか…
日本人とSkypeで話すのが一番覚えやすいんだけどな…
日本語のインターネット授業って少ないのよ

You had better talk with Japanese people on Skype

流暢に発言できるのはすごいですね
僕もそのようになりたいんですが
アメリカに住んでますし、周りには日本語母語者もいません
得意なのは読解と翻訳だけです
それで満足することにします
はい終了

今北産業(´･ω･`)

>>17023901
それだけできればすげえよ！！
U A amazing!!

>>17023918
ここの連中
日本語話したい
なぜか文章で理解しようとしてる

>>17023828
Try iTalki, it seems pretty popular.

おｋ　I anderstand come on ! ! !
グーグル翻訳で英語待機してるで！

I came from the Japanese version 4chan.

I came from VIP.
haha

>>17023940
Exactly what I was looking for, Thank you!

I don't understand who is a man whose language is Japanese.

VIPかららきすた
ところで下のおしり誰の？

VIPPER！
日本語だから活用形理解からしたら難しい
日本人でもミスるんだし


I do not remember writing
You'd better talk

>>17023998
me too (ﾟ∀ﾟ)人(ﾟ∀ﾟ)

>カノー先輩は、生命力に欠け過ぎてますからね～
>そうかな
>はい、毎朝公園でゲートボールしてるウチのおじいちゃんより、儚げです
I don't really understand the third sentence, mainly what より is doing here and the following 儚げです.

>>17023998
Japanese

>>17023943
>>17024002
>>17024004

>>17024004
口語は活用形無視だね
文脈から感じ取るのが主流
古文は活用形がわからないと理解できないけどね

>>17024008
より＝more
儚い＝ephemeral

4chanと2chanの架け橋となる3chanを作ろう

そこでは英文と日文が入り乱れていてお互いを罵り合っているんだ

>>17024037
それ英語で言ってやれよ…

きんたま

なぁ、タダでさえ神の俺っちが神を超えたら俺っちは一体何者になるんや？

儚げの意味がワカランって事か？
これは翻訳する方も
なにげ難しげやなぁ

>>17024044
I understand what they mean individually, just how it connects with 家のおじいちゃん

>>17024065
he seems even more ephemeral than my uncle that plays gate ball at the park every morning

>>17024067
おじいちゃん is grandfather, not uncle.

これどのおじいちゃんのこと？

because grandpa is going to die,so that おじいちゃん is 儚げ

>>17024008
ウチのおじいちゃんより、儚げです
= more frail(or fragile) than my grandfather

>>17024067
That makes a lot of sense now, thank you.

Also is the 気 here interchangeable with そう or do they have different uses?

>>17024065
うち　＝　family
うちのおじいちゃん　＝my　grandpa

>>17024081
いやいや
おじいちゃんは元気やろ
勝手にお迎えが来てるように言うなって(´･ω･`；)
カノー先輩が元気なくてはげなんや

vipの連中に最も大事な英文教えてやろう
"wch 2hu wud u fuk"
これさえ正しく使えれば英語達人に等しい とでも言える

>>17024092
魔女　痛風　うど　ゆ　ふく

「嬉しげだ」と「嬉しそうだ」とは、ほぼ同じ意味を持ってるでしょうか
同じ文脈でも使えるでしょうか

あーそうやった3行目しか見てなかったわ
カノー先輩　is はかなげ
this simply say カノー先輩　is はかなげ　than grandpa who is very old to emphasize カノー先輩　is very weak (gate ball is normally played by only old people in japan)

>>17024085
Sorry.I did not translate it

>>17024104
amazing! That's right!

>>17022301
三省堂

しかしこの掲示板の使い方よーわからんわ
専ブラとかあるんか？

>>17024104
嬉しげだの方が賢そう

「嬉しげだ」も「嬉しそうだ」もMaybeだけど
「嬉しそうだ」の方が「嬉しげだ」より表情に感情が出てる

>>17024104
ほぼ同じ意味で同じ文脈でも使えるはずです

翻訳でもいいから英語で答えてやれよwww

日本語で聞いてるんだから日本語で答えたほうがいいだろ

なんかこうやって解説しようとすると
日本語って難しいな・・・
ドラえもんとか簡単そうな会話ならオイラでもいけそうだが

嬉しげだ＝嬉しそうな気配がする

それもそうか


If you can write on 2 ch you may ask questions on this
↓
VIPPER集合！4chanのやつらが日本語教えろってよ！ [無断転載禁止]©2ch.net
http://vipper.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1494830104/

「嬉しげだ」＝嬉しい+げ+だ
最後の「だ」は断定の助動詞だけど
「嬉しそうだ」＝嬉しい+そうだ
最後の「だ」はただの語尾なんだな

同じ文脈で使えると思うけど後者の方が無難だと思ふ

>>17024104
It has almost same meaning
You can use in the same context.

2chに慣れてるといちいちボットでありませんをチェックさせるスタイルに慣れない

ライクハッピーとメイビーハッピーの違いみたいなもんなんやろか(´･ω･`)

IDも違うし認証めんどくさいやな

しかし所々画像認証に日本の建物あるのに笑うわwwww

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エロゲをやらない人は出て行け

>>17024085
>>17024142
だそうです

>>17024140
残念ながらそれには日本のipが必要なんだ。。

>>17022136
New day starts at 6 hours past midnight by default

なんか認証のせいでエロ動画をダウンロードしてる気分だよな

IP弾いてんの？2ch最低だな

しかし昨日俺らがやらかしたこれはやばいな

>>>/int/74820293

ヤハウェたん好き

>>17024163
can not write it! Is it?

>>17024169
クソワロタ

sorry for my bad English

4chanってスレの書き込みできないのか
http://majikichi.com/archives/9557265.html

>>17024175
そう、書き込みできない

>>17024188
あのスレの感想聞きたかったんだがなんか方法ないのかな？

2ch is isolated

>>17024195
>2ch is isolated
Is it isolated?
Everyone who came here Hentai

>>17024193
proxyを使う手もあるけどかなり面倒だしここで話すのが一番だと思う

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これ英訳してバレたら多分かなり怒るぞ

It will get angry if I translate this into English

>>17024206
串も面倒いな
こういう串とか理解したいらしいけど
あと外人書き込み遅いな

>>17024211

What will get angry?

YHWH?

>>17024211
違う
/jp/のやつらって宗教なんかどうでもよくてエロゲやエロマンガを貪りまくるダメ人間

>>17024221
Jew
Christian

>>17024206
THIS IS AUTO.

日本人はプロテスタントとカソリックの違いも分からないからね

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>>17024221
that's right
I think I get angry when translating Japanese below

Jesus

>>17024225
ダメ人間ゆうな
社畜じゃなくて何が悪い

>>17024225
いや、ここのやつらにバレたらキレるべ
試しに下の解説日本語訳してみて

>>17024211
>>17024234
それは何ですか
読みたくなってきたよ

しかしこういう日本語の書き込みどう見えてるんだろうな？

>>17024230
それがどうしたって言うんだ？

シャロウムちゃんも知らんのか

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日本語で罵るにはまだまだだ、おれ
もっと勉強しましたあとで戻るんだよ
とりあえずおやすみ

わお！驚いたよ
日本人はなんてクレイジーなんだ！

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konitiwa8+)

>>17024259
いや２ｃｈの奴等はみんなキチガイだから気にするな

>>17024246
日本人に負けない変態かwwwww
It is here
But I can not write
So it is an image for 4chan
If you want to see it please go from the URL

>>>/int/74820293

>>17024259
日本人が言うと滑稽千万だぞ

>>17024265
こんにちは！

Kon ni ti wa!!!( ＾∀＾)

という事で今は日本人しかおらんのか？

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これかな？

4chan民はもう寝たか？

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>>17024246
Sorry.miss.

>>17024284
いや私たちの日本語は優秀すぎるだけだ

Although you did come here at an awkward time, all the Americans are asleep.

>>17024289
もう寝るとかｗｗｗ
早すぎｗｗｗ

>>17024288
それそれ

下の内容結構やばくね？

ほんとに優秀だな
アメリカのお前らは

2chは専ブラないと使いモノにならないレベルだけどここはいいね

まだ夕方なのに寝るとか
アメリカ健康杉ｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗｗ

>>17024300
オーストリア人ですけど

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>>17024300
当たり前だろう
俺らは日本語しか知らないバカ日本人と違うからねｗｗｗ

ソーリー　オージー

なるほどオーストラリアなら日本と時差がないな

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>>17024319
オーストリアはオーストラリアじゃないれえええええええええ

sorry
going for a moment…　in USA memorial papiko

　　 ／⌒ヽ
　　/´_>｀)
　 ｜　　 /
　 ｜ /| /
　 / / |｜
　(ノ　Ｕ

アメリカの西海岸のニート共もまだ起きてるはずです

あ、オーストリアかｗｗ
すまんな

>>17024323
祝福ありがと

>>17024273
すげえな
パウロちゃん可愛すぎ
>>17024284
>>17024289
アメリカ人は大体寝てるかも
もちろんこの俺のようなニートなら午前 三時だって関係ないさ

思うんだが4chanの連中と、俺ら時差あるよな…？

>>17024322
この速さでキゥイ鳥出してくるのは有能

これキウイなのか
カラスに見えた

オーストリアになんかバイクメーカーあったよな
Ktmだっけ？

すまん4ch初心者なんだが
この鳥は何の意味があるの？

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>>17024311
意地悪しちゃ駄目

Absolute scrub here

Reading Tae Kim and I'm confused about の. Does it imply possesion in a certain direction, or is that just figured out from context? I feel like I'm missing something obvious.

>>17024353
怒りを表すreaction imageなのです

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切腹しろ

>>17024369
so cute

頭パーって言われてんぞ
誰かスレ作れない？

>>17024338
キウイじゃない、キウイはオーストラリアのやつ。オーストリアだ、オーストラリアなんか関係ない

>>17024349
そうだ！インターンシップがあったよ、そこで

>>17024363
の works like the possessive 's. Imagine it like a backwards "of."

これによんでるのが難しいです
2chは「reply]と機能を使わないのか？

>>17024396
書き込みの数字をクリックしてればすぐに返事できる

>>17024390
テメーふざけんな
キーウィはオーストラリアじゃなくてニュージーランドの鳥だよ
バーーーーカ

>>17024396
>2chは「reply]と機能を使わないのか？
ある板もあるよ。
(reply機能がある板が存在する)

>>17024396
Japan 2ch "reply" very easy.

>>17024396
2chは時系列で類推して読む

>>17024396
We use specialized application like Jane style for 2ch which makes a lot easier to write and read 2ch.

センパイは嬉しい!
君たちがそんなに日本語が上手いなんて!
今までアルファベットまみれだったじゃないか

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リプリーっつったらこれやろ？

>>17024408
同じなんでしょう
そもそもニュージーランドなんか本当に存在しているか怪しいんだよ

大学時間です、さよなら日本人達
(ゝω・`)┏┏

>>17024429
日本語学科？

>>17024429
いってら〜ヽ(ﾟ▽ﾟ*)

>>17024390

Thanks

But wouldn't that mean "Shingeki no Bahamut" was Rage's Bahamut instead of Bahamut's Rage?

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>>17024429

>>17024426
ドイツに支配されてる小国に言われたくないｗ

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So back when I was starting ESL a few decades ago, I had this nice English reader book, which was a collection of short stories, with annotations and a list of new vocab at the end. Is there anything like that for Japanese? I wouldn't mind having a physical one.

>>17024438
進撃　means going forward to attack

グーグル翻訳してもなお
カタカナの英語が出てくる(´･ω･`；)

>>17024438
oh sorry it was not　進撃　but 神撃
which means God attack or God punch.

外人煽りが甘いな…

>>17024445
>>17024455

Ah, okay. But I'm still confused about the の. The title indicates that Bahamut belongs to the attack?

Not attack on taitn

バハムートの事じゃない？

>>17024462
「神撃」って音がかっこいいから付けただけで意味なんてないんじゃないかな

ここ見にくいんだが？Janeで見たいんだが？

I wanna watch this in Jane Style!

>>17024462
It has other uses besides what you're probably thinking of when you say "possession". For example:
隣の田中さん - Tanaka-san doesn't "belong" to the neighbor, he IS the neighbor. の is being used to describe him (the fact that he lives next door)

>>17024462
神撃＝God kill

>>17024462
I think it's just an adjective phrase.
to make sounds cool.

>>17024474
>>17024480

I see. Thank you. I don't quite understand, but it helps me to know there are different uses.

特に好きな漢字があるのか

鬱
俺の存在を定義するの漢字

>>17024545
その場合　の　はいらないな
俺の存在を定義する漢字
でいい

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>>17024567
ありがとう

Explain 曼荼羅 to me

>>17024750
It's a Buddhist depiction of the universe if I recall, abstracted into a single picture.

久しぶりにきたらビッカスが暴れてる？

>>17024435
数学科だ

>>17024441
そこまでしなくても...

>>17024925
もう終わったみたいだけど

>泥 - mud, mire
>棒 - stick, cane, rod
>泥棒 - thief
Did the Japanese, at some point, made words up from bullshit? It doesn't even fucking make sense.

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>>17024098

おはようおにいちゃん

いわしむきすぎて

手がもうボロボロ

>>17025192
沢山
面白い
Back when being not illiterate came into fashion they just used whichever kanji had the same reading as the word's pronunciation

>>17025247
妹ライフスタイル大変だね

what the hell happened here

>>17025192
google it or just visit
http://gogen-allguide.com/to/dorobou.html
語源辞典

>>17025328
A couple japs came by and as is /djt/ tradition, none of the actual beginners dared making use of the situation to practice their production.

>>17025343
>production
i barely feel the need to communicate in my native
if production had some overlap with reading and listening comprehension I'd surely take the time though

>>17025376
what's this mean?

>>17025273
おっきいのはこうやってワタとホネを抜くんだけど
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_fkCROz5eQ

海でとれるから

さくさく漁ればいいんだよ

>>17025400
さかなさんはいじめダメ

>>17025448
なんで4chanで英語の勉強したいかわからないが、/int/のほうがふさわしいと思うよ
Pretty good English for a 13 year old Japanese though

>>>/int/74867180

actually he is 43.

but why 4chan check if 'im fucking robot or not every single post?

>>17025376
>if production had some overlap with reading and listening comprehension I'd surely take the time though
I think it does.

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ｷﾀ━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━!!!

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>>17025789
Nice, desu-ne!

Duolingo's Japanese course coming out in three days, are you all hyped?

>>17025789
One month of many!

>>17025919
No. Fuck off.

>>17025929
Any reason for the negativity other than the 4chan-trademarked kneejerk reaction of it being new

>>17025937
duolingo is for dekinai babbies

>>17025937
The reason is that you're a gigantic faggot. Stop shilling.

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coming--------:)--------!!!

>>17025947
>>17025945
Except for being judged by people who think other people care about what they think, is there still no legitimate reason for all the negativity

>>17025957
None at all, now blast off like Team Rocket.

>>17025957
Keeping people from being misled into buying into crappy platforms is a very legitimate reason for negativity.

>>17025981
It's free if you mean buying literally, and it's a fine platform what are you on

Is there any way to get Chrome to display Japanese kanji rather than Chinese ones on sites that use your browser's default fonts?

>>17025984
No, "buying into" is a phrasal verb in english.

>it's a fine platform
Does it expose you to copious amounts of arbitrary, compelling japanese? Does it adapt to your skill level, no matter how low or high? The answer is no. It's not a fine platform.

>>17025984
>It's free
Have fun with that. You get what you pay for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ-ykSSbOmg#t=30s
Is dogen the hero we need?

>>17025995
Go marry him, faggot.

>>17025991
The answer should be no because it's not out yet, but it definitely does that with other languages though

>>17026000
It doesn't.