Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1777

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>ちりも積もれば山となる。
>A penny saved is a penny earned.
Core translations are pretty interesting.

なせば大抵なんとかなる！
頑張ろうね

>>16388851
That's nothing. Watch this.

>私なんて生きていてもしょうがない人間なんです >I'm the kind of person that just can't help it no matter how I live.

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I did the J-CAT today.
I can't say I feel either happy or unhappy about my results. I suppose that means they fit my current level. I was aiming 250 but well, sometime soon hopefully.

During the listening part, I would say I understood pretty much everything that was said aside from a few words here and there, but despite that I still messed up with all the dates and hours that were asked, I've always been bad with those and stress added to self-doubt probably didn't help. For the rest, no excuses, aside from a Grammar question I knew I had right but waited too long to press continue so I got it skipped.

i'm looking for easy books (elementary school type shit) to read. I checked CoR but of course it only has higher level stuff

like 1st/2nd grade level, in the arena of maybe 80-100 pages, a fair amount of pictures, relatively few vocab i don't know, easy reads.

some examples are ぼくは海になった or ともしび, doesn't have to be those titles in particular though. (i'd just buy them but they're all 20 bucks apiece so reading 30+ books at that price just isn't reasonable)

it's a long shot but anyone know resources / repository for this kind of literature?

>>16388975
Doesn't kids manga like Yotsuba fulfil this requirement?

>>16388975
Just read manga which motivate you, you aren't 7 years old anymore. Reading easy things like that because you are afraid to commit will not get you anywhere, trust me.

>ホモと見るガチホモアニメ
What does this tag mean?

>>16389023
This. Maybe reading a kid's book will entertain you for a little while but unless you can do that in English as well you're just going to get bored and quit.

>>16389023
they don't have many words

>>16389023
>afraid to commit
fucking freud over here

>>16389046
maybe, that's what i'd like to see. it's not like you only get one chance to use one method to learn japanese in your entire life.

>>16389099
>they don't have many words
then read more of them

>>16389099
I'm pretty sure the CoR has graded readers. Did you look at that yet? They aren't as long as what you're looking for but it would be good practice.

>>16389046
>>16389023
i like the compelling content idea and understand it. to me, in a general way, that's the best way to learn.
but is there a point at which content is too difficult to tackle for the time being? and if so, how do you know?

>>16389236
I don't have a scientific way to measure it but maybe something like if you have to look up over 50% of the words on the page and you are not sure what is even going on then it might be too hard for you.
Or maybe if a page takes you over 30 minutes then it might be too hard for you.
When I got btfo by reading I went back and did anki and grammar until I could feel comfortable to try again.

Of course, even if something is way over your level you can still get through it if it's really important to you and you have patience. Part of learning is getting out of your comfort zone so that's something to consider as well.

>>16389285
i see. i was reading a visual novel and basically using rikaisama on every other word, but i could usually basically understand what was being said. but it was slow as hell and at times it felt like i was relying too much on rikai, as if i was just reading the english definitions and sort of gleaning the meaning of the sentences from there...
so i suppose i should go simpler.

A recommended video in the guide says to not memorize vocabulary, but the beginner core vocabulary deck is considered a big deal here.

>>16389391
Steve's is one valid opinion among others. There are vocal people here who think you should eschew flashcards entirely but they're probably a minority.

>>16389426
How would you learn the vast piles of vocab without flashcards? If I had to look up every fucking word to begin with I'd hang myself long before I could learn japanese.

>>16389043
ニコニコのmemeだるぉ

おおんあくしろよ

恐れ
怖れ
畏れ
虞

日本語がおそろしい

>>16389637
いちばんしたはつかったことないよ

がんばれおにいちゃん

>>16389474
Flashcards would probably make things easier, but compelling material + looking up every fucking word was what I did for english vocabs back in the day and I think it still worked out fine

>>16389637
どうしてつかわないかというと

・捕虜の虜の字と似てる
・書きにくい

なら捕虜の虜の字も簡単にしなよとツっこまれるけど

かんたんな漢字はないよ！

Sorry if this gets asked a lot but it turns out you need windows 7 service pack 1 to install google japanese input…
Are there any other imes you guys recommend other than the windows one?

>>16389712
>you need windows 7 service pack 1 to install google japanese input…
As opposed to?

>>16389721
I'm currently using the default microsoft ime but I find it a bit buggy at times, and I can't install the google one
Are there any other good alternatives?

>>16389712
you can't install sp1?

>>16389735
buggy?

>>16389049
>>>/int/69715405

>>16389049
Have you tried Google Maps? It has more detail than you could possibly ever need, and you can set it to show place names in Japanese.
Knowing basic geography is just generally useful for VN reading because you're expected to know it as a native, it's a good idea.

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>>16385860
I'm not overly impressed with ShareX's webm quality.

>>16389739
I need a password to do it and my mom won't give it to me.

Anyone else remember the kid who couldn't install Anki?

Would Lucky Star be a good babby's first listen?

>>16389712
google has some ime which is probably fine

>>16389712
You could try "mozc". It's what we use on Linux and it's basically the same thing as google's japanese input with some differences:
https://github.com/google/mozc/blob/master/docs/about_branding.md

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Just a friendly reminder to the latest /a/ colony.

>>16390183
i would get out if i had a choice

>>16390190
You do.
>>>/int/

>>16390214
lol

>>16390214
/int/ is bad though

このろくでもない

うつくしいにほんと

あのんにかんぱい

>>16389977
The "quality" has nothing to do with Sharex.

>>16389236
five finger rule

>>16390025
Windows 7 without updates is so full of security holes, I'm sure there's and exploit that would give you admin rights

Your mother won't be happy about that though

>意図せざるうちに
Can someone explain the せ here? What is it?

>>16390701
せざる→しない
Look up the ざる suffix.

https://dojgdeck.neocities.org/
mega:///#fm/transfers

Do I put the content of media.7z into my collection.media folder? Or is it unneeded given I install the deck which already has (media)?
i.e. is the media.7z for people who wish to add media later on in case they had picked the (no media) deck? Or do I have to extract it anyway?

>>16390716
>mega:///#fm/transfers
I'm dumb, meant :
mega:///#F!2g5gHISQ!RIYvs3pHnsX1ibK3yBRvxQ

>>16390629
Feel free to explain what the problem is then.

>>16390747
No.

>>16390716
what u said fampai

What exactly is this よろしかろう (宜しかろう) form? I tried reading the weblio page but it just throws buzzwords at me like 未然形 and 推量の助動詞
Or rather than what it is, what is its tone / what does it imply? Just volitional "let's have fun"?

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>>16390792

>>16390800
>うまかろう

はつかうきかいがあるかもしれないけど

>おいしかろう

はつかわないとおもうよ。ああしらこいしらこい

>>16390800
I don't know what you're using but this doesn't pop up on my rikaisama
Also I've never seen 美味しいだろう... is it different from 美味しい、だろう？ As like separate words?

>>16390809
This is from the rikaicake dictionary. Download it and set its priority as first in the Firefox Rikai options.

Have you at least read all of Tae Kim?

>>16390820
What TK lesson has that?

>>16390792
Adding かろう to the stem of an い-adjective is a kind of casual, goofy way to say だろう.

>>16390860
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/volitional2
ctrl+f かろう

Seems you haven't. It'd be a good thing to get into the habit of reading one or two TK lessons every day from now on, starting from the start until you finish, anon.

リメンバー詐欺

How do you get kanji to stick? I know a few basics but kanji for random words like 時々never stick for me, remembering a complex series of lines for specific words seems way too hard

>>16391151
Read more.

>>16391151
Sacrifice your soul to the anki gods.

I do wonder what the next best thing aside from flashcards are for a person learning kanji. I never used anything else as my primary form of learning vocab/kanji (looking up kanji on jisho and writing it down) so I wouldn't know.

>>16391151
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0824835921

>>16391161
Thank you

>>16391182
There's a sample on Heisig's site, try that first to see if you like the method.

http://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/en/files/2012/12/RK-1-6th-edition-sample.pdf

Also do not skip reading the introduction.

>>16391185
Thanks, I found a PDF somewhere so I'll check it out

>短い帯状の内出血の後。

What is a belt shaped inner bleeding?

>>16391200
そのかたちだと

>跡・痕

をつかうのがふつうなんだよ

よくわからなくてごめんねおにいちゃん

>>16391182
>>16391191
Be sure to get the 6th edition. I'm pretty sure the one I put in the CoR is still there.

Looks like it's been re-uploaded, thanks to whoever did it, here it is : mega:///#F!O94lVTAC!UL3Vw9YBe2rFEUc-nQrPWg

The deck is good but don't be too diligent with it (it's fine to just press hard-good-easy), you're not meant to spend more than 3 months maximum on RTK. Use Koohii for more stories and look up reading and word compounds for each kanji you study on Jisho as you go on.

>>16391200
Maybe it doesn't mean "internal bleeding" as in "bleeding around the organs", but a bruise - that's still technically internal bleeding, I guess. So a small, belt-shaped bruise. Just a guess, though.

>>16391446
Not him but googling this seems to fit. Warning it's kinda gross.

How japan difference hare and rabbit?
兎 - hare? 野兎 - rabbit?

>>16391476
The opposite, it seems.

>>16391476
卯は暦のうさぎ

兎はうさぎ

野兎は飼い主のいないうさぎ

さんこうになったらうれしいな

>>16391487
Oh, exactly.
But japanese can call hare - 野兎?

>>16391516
ありがとう

What does it mean when っ is in the middle of a sentence? Is it just the same as the letter after it? It's been messing with me for a bit. Sorry for the basic question I just started out learning.

>>16391549
これを機にAnkiしてくれたらうれしいな

>ねーうしとらうーたつみー・うまひつじさるとりいぬいー
>子丑寅卯辰巳・午未申酉戌亥

にほんの時間にかかわるすべてのことがらは

２００年くらいまえまでは数字でなくって

ぜんぶこれで生活していたから

たとえば丑の刻参りという習慣は誰でも知っているじょうしきで

それは丑という時間が

たしかにつかわれていたなごりだよ

>>16391572
The pleasure of being cummed inside.

>>16391572
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiragana
Look at "Writing system" - specifically the paragraph that starts "A small tsu っ".

>>16391572
It means read Tae Kim.

>>16391572
think of っ as a small pause. English usually denotes that by duplicating letters, but you should stop thinking in romaji.

the scientific term for that is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemination

see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glottal_stop for when the っ is at the end of a word

>>16391601
That's what I'm doing right now. I'm going through Tae Kim on memrise. I'm only a few hours in, but I'm taking it slow and repeating stuff to make sure it sticks.

>>16391600
Boy, that's a lot of text and requires a lot of brainpower. Thank you though.

>>16391606
That makes more sense, I'll try doing that and see if it clicks. Thank you for basically summing it up in a sentence.

>>16391617
>I'm going through Tae Kim on memrise
Don't do that.

>>16391619
I'll read through it on my Kindle later to make sure I didn't miss anything fundamental. I'm just starting out this way because it's easy and I don't have to think much while doing it. I can do 10min here and there. It's probably not the most efficient way though.

I just assume the best thing to do is move on to Aniki or w/e once I'm done with Tae Kim, but I'm only a few hours in so that will be a week or two I assume.

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>>16391617
Drop memrise. Memrise is only good for this lesson here http://www.memrise.com/course/292900/japanese-counters/ and that's all. Trust me, I wouldn't take the time to type this otherwise.

http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
1 lesson a day minimum. Make yourself a schedule and check lessons you went through as you go to motivate yourself.

>>16391644
>http://www.memrise.com/course/292900/japanese-counters/
Jesus Christ just fuck my shit up

>>16391657
You can (and should) ignore lessons 1 to 18 from that link since they don't have kanji though. Never bother learning words if they don't have their kanji.

Does anyone else here measure how many lines/kb they read per hour? I'd like to compare!

>>16391672
The difficulty of reading text really depends on what you're reading.

This thread should have a reading club where we all read the same thing and discuss both the work and how hard it was for us to read it afterwards.

>>16391644
Thanks, I'll try! It's just hard to stay motivated and learn when I have pages of pages of text to look at. I can read it, but it doesn't always stick. With memrise it beats it into my dumb head, I just planned on using that for the basics. It's the same source, so how different could it be.

>>16391680
W-Why did you respond to me? I guess that means you don't.

>>16391689
That's why I'm telling you to make yourself a schedule as to not get overwhelmed by the amount of information and contents you need to learn. Break it down in little parts and do little by little every day, it'll feel rewarding and more manageable that way.
Just remember that habits generally take 3 to 6 weeks to settle up properly, it's normal if it's hard, also you'll only notice progress after a while has passed.

If you wish to continue TK on memrise go ahead but be sure to double-check the source page sometime when you're done with it. Do not use memrise for vocab or anything else that is beyond things like learning Hiragana and Katakana. Lessons on memrise are made by people who themselves are beginners, they are RIDDLED with mistakes. Ask us what to do if you're lost, or check the guide.

>>16391680
>This thread should have a reading club where we all read the same thing and discuss
That could be a fun idea but it'd have to be either a manga or a very easy LN/VN otherwise I doubt many people would follow through after the first day or two.

>>16391680
That sounds dumb, especially because people here have bad taste (lol those charts) and complain that everything above Hanahira level is impossible.

>>16391716
Thank you very much. I've got all the time in the world, I just lack motivation and direction, but I think I know what to do now. As long as I feel like I'm making progress it's fun to continue*, but I've gotta remember to take it at my own pace and not speed through it. I'm gonna force myself to spend at least an hour a day reading, more if I feel motivated.

I've tried several times throughout the years to learn Japanese, but I always feel overwhelmed and put it aside. Taking in this Tae Kim book at a slow pace just seems like the right thing though.

I can't help but feel "what if I had forced myself through this shit a decade ago.", but on the other hand I bet all these guides weren't available then. Oh well.

*After only doing it for a few days I'm already able to recognize hiragana and read it (at a slow pace) and that makes me wanna continue. I know this is practically nothing, but baby steps.. Sorry for rambling.

>子供のウワサってほんと荒唐無稽よねぇ
>Children's rumours are absurd
>それにしちや生々しい情報だベな
Please, help with translation this sentence.
My version "But it all new information", i'm right?

>>16391759
Don't translate if you don't know Japanese.

>>16391697
I was saying that measuring kb or lines per minute doesn't actually mean much because there's no good standard for it, easy stuff reads at 10x the rate of hard stuff when you're a student.

>>16391749
It doesn't have to be anything as long as a LN/VN. It could be a short story of 20-50 pages and we could give people a week to do it so that even the worst among us could try and power through it with a dictionary in one hand and a grammar resource in the other.

>>16391766
I'm learning and try to translate for myself.
Just "生々しい" confused me.

>>16391779
>生々しい
https://www.google.co.jp/#q=%E7%94%9F%E3%80%85%E3%81%97%E3%81%84%E3%81%A8%E3%81%AF

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1470556904

I don't get the しちや though, context?

>>16391766
If he's working on a translation project that's indeed bad, but if he's just interpreting for himself then it's useful to give us the context.

>>16391759
You should recognize (at some point when you get better at the langauge, maybe) that だべ doesn't end sentences in standard Japanese. It appears to be Hokkaido-ben for でしょう.

Are you sure that しちや isn't actually しちゃ? Just checking.

>>16391766
>I don't get the しちや though, context?
I think this それしては.

>>16391798
This dialect, i know.

>>16391769
Well the standard is time. Am I much faster/slower than people who studied the same amount as me? etc. It's a decent estimate and I've noticed over several works that my line/hour is always around the same. Assuming the opposing side is consuming "normal" content and not literally reading Hanahira/Muramasa it makes for a good comparison I'd say.
Maybe even a fun questionnaire like this for extra accuracy;

Learning Japanese since:
Reading right now:
Reading speed per hour (pages/lines/KB):

>>16391791
I know what 生々しい mean 'green, lively, fresh', already saw all these link.
This sentence is last in the dialogue.
In previous saying about information "Children's rumours".
I have 2 versions:
"But this all new information"
"But, this impressive %%Information%%"

>>16391893
They're saying it also feels fresh and refreshing, nothing more.

Picture yourself being 40-50 looking at kids talking about stuff that go over your head like gen #15 pokémons and smirking as you smoke a cig.

>>16391897
You have no idea how grateful I am to you.
In this cause 2 Detectives are investigating.
Children tell them horror stories.
And detectives discussing.

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>>16388851
I like when word density differs blatantly.

>>16391897
Do you have a resource on what the しちや meant? I would have expected something like それにしても

>>16388888
Congrats on improving either way (and nice quints)

>>16392135
This それしては.

>>16389391
Double edged sword. Near as I can tell there are 4 aspects to this whole endeavor:

Vocabulary
Grammar
Listening and Speaking
Reading and Writing

Studying vocabulary doesn't do you much good if you can't form a coherent sentence, and studying Grammar doesn't mean much if you can't recognize the words being used. Studying writing is helped along if you already know words, but picking up words can be difficult from just listening/conversation when you're not sure how to write them down.

To top all that off, you have to learn about learning because everyone wants to teach differently and they tend to omit important things, like radicals. Radicals are so flipping important to understanding Kanji (in my mind) it would make more sense to say there are 3 alphabets, 2 phonetic and the 1 used to make Kanji words. Or the fact that verbs have a bunch of different conjugations based on whether it is or is not happening, present/past tense, and how polite you are being. And definitely fuck that last one. I'm watching tv or listening to something, it would really be helpful to know that だ is an informal です, or じゃない is "is not".

Feels like there is so much emphasis on learning the various aspects that no one wrote down a good primer, and because so many systems involve their own reward mechanism, you don't realize how poorly/slowly you're going until you try to apply what you've learned.

>>16391151
Learn radicals. It's a lot easier to pick stuff up when you can concieve how to write it and what its components are.

>>16392135
As anon said, it's しては in casual form/slang, don't overthink it. Also, this is not しちや but しちゃ.

ち や =! ちゃ

>>16392135
>>16392250
https://www.google.co.jp/#q=%E2%80%9D%E3%81%9D%E3%82%8C%E3%81%AB%E3%81%97%E3%81%A1%E3%82%83%E2%80%9D
Example sentences.

>>16392250
I specifically asked if it was supposed to be しちゃearlier but didn't get an answer.

I should have just assumed he or I were retarded rather than that I had encountered some mysterious new form.

Is there a better alternative to WaniKani? Last I tried a year ago, I got to around level 14~16 and learned a ton, but it's #1 major flaw is that if you miss a day or two, you have to do hundreds of reviews just to catch up.

Besides that, it doesn't even cover words that don't use Kanji, so I had to suppliment with Anki Core 2k/6k.

What other methods are there or do I just start from 1 again with Anki?

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>>16392189
Thanks. I'll take this as a positive sign.

Is there a keyboard shortcut to quickly switch between EN/JP keyboard settings? It's a bit annoying having to manually click it with my mouse.

>>16392281
Yes, in every major operating system.

You should really ask Google this question.

>>16392267

If you're someone who misses days, then Anki isn't going to help you either.

>>16392267
Yes, the free flashcard program Anki.

>>16392261
Looks like you quoted someone else instead of me though, couldn't know it was you. >>16391803

You should move on now, getting stuck on a sentence like that for so long becomes kind of counterproductive in my opinion.

>>16392267
Hundreds of reviews is nothing. To answer your two questions, reading and mining what you read.

>>16392281
Are we talking Microsoft IME? You can set up keybinds.

>>16392281
left alt + left shift

What Jcat score equals what JLPT level, approximately?

>>16392297
It's written here >>16388888.
Bottom right.

>>16392292
I feel I should at least get through core 2k before trying to read (stopping every two words to look up is frustrating)? Thoughts?

>>16392297
Are you blind? JCAT directly lists the comparisons when it shows your score

>>16392295
Bless you. I was pressing shit + ctrl and wondering why it wasn't working.

>>16392300
Why is there nothing in 151-200, is that just N3 as well?
And about how long does the test take?

>>16392319
Those are the old JLPT score tiers. Level 4 is approximately N5, etc.

>>16392302
You're right and wrong at the same time. I totally understand the feeling of frustration and slowness because myself I waited a while before reading, but I ended up regretting it... the reason is no matter how many words you mine reading will be frustrating, even if you do core10k. To learn how to read you need to read. Also premade decks like those suck dick and don't exactly teach you all the nuances and definitions for words, because for that you need to read. It's also slower for the brain to learn words that are just on a black background and thrown into boring robotic sentences than learning words naturally through context or compelling content.

Pick up something that motivates you and that's also relatively easy to read. I recommend http://seiga.nicovideo.jp/watch/mg46919?track=ct_first if you're a lolicon. Vol. 1 is up on nyaa with first 6.5 chapters in better quality than the web version.

>>16392327
Thanks for the advice, and I'll check it out. Thanks!

>>16392319
>>16392322
I assume you can put :
Basic = N5*
Pre-Intermediate = N4*
Intermediate = N3*
Intermediate-High = N2
Pre-Advanced = N1

*moved
based on what anon said.

>Until 2009, the test had four levels, with the old Level 3 and Level 4 corresponding to the current Level N4 and Level N5 respectively. In the change to the new level system, a new Level N3 was inserted between the old Levels 2 and 3. The examination for Level N1 was expanded to cover higher-level content, but the passing standard for Level N1 remained approximately the same as the old Level 1. JLPT certificates do not expire or become invalid over time.
So I assume this >>16392349 is correct.

http://kissako.it/content/jlpt-japanese-language-proficiency-test-%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E8%83%BD%E5%8A%9B%E8%A9%A6%E9%A8%93-nihongo-n%C5%8Dryoku-shiken-overview

>>16392344
And remember to set up the rikaisama mining thing and to mine as you read. Make a separate deck, don't mine into core.

>>16392292
>>16392261 - It's not me.
>>16391803 - This me
>You should move on now, getting stuck on a sentence like that for so long becomes kind of counterproductive in my opinion.
This not counterproductive, because you concentrating, finally, this helps to better remember.
And after that you intuitively understand language.

>>16392362
>JLPT certificates do not expire or become invalid over time.
Seems bad from both a certification and a business perspective.

>>16392582
Natural languages are entirely different from technical disciplines. A natural language certification never becomes irrelevant as long as the skill stays in use, technical discipline certifications can.

>>16392582
I heard 会社 in Japan ask you about the score you got on your N2 or N1 when asking for it, so I wouldn't be surprised if they would also ask or notice when you took it.

That's also why there are people who like to re-take the N1 so they can score better and make a better impression during job interviews.

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How bad is this? I started learning Japanese 9 months ago.
I also got really tired towards the last 20 minutes and didn't even try to read those wall of texts in the Reading section, probably should have done it in non-zombie mode.

>>16392599
People forget languages over time. A certificate earned 10 years ago would still be valid, but the person could have forgotten most of the language due to lack of use.

>>16392617
I'd say it's around 195/400

>>16392623
anon, you might be literally retarded

>>16392623
>A natural language certification never becomes irrelevant as long as the skill stays in use
>as long as the skill stays in use

>technical discipline certifications can
>technical discipline certifications can [even if the skill stays in use]

>>16392623
I agree than you can forget due to disuse to extent, but the language still remains in your brain, like a type of muscle memory

If you reapply yourself to learning you'd get it back much much more easily than if learning the first time

>>16392627
>>16392637
>JLPT certificates do not expire or become invalid over time.
>JLPT certificates do not expire or become invalid over time.
>JLPT certificates do not expire or become invalid over time.

>>16392617
The goal is to evaluate yourself, if you did the J-CAT in an half-assed way, not trying your best, not reading and answering randomly I don't see how the final score could be taken seriously.

But anyway, if you do deserve the 195 for 9 months of study then I'd say that's rather good, keep it up.

>>16392644
Yes. That is a defense of that. The default case is for the certification to continue to reflect your skill level. Because natural language as JLPT certifies is not the same as technical disciplines which transient certifications certify.

>>16388812
Best op

I just got the Yume Nikki LN the other day, it's pretty good so far, great descriptions of the world

Are Technical Translations typically proofread? I know that in my job pushing paper data will typically sit for years before someone checks it. Would a shitty translator get by because no one is checking his shit, or would it get caught pretty fast?

I fucking hate 自分

How about you fucking japs use some words that you can just look at and know the meaning of instead of it being a damn puzzle

>>16392647
I didn't want to make it sound like an excuse, even if I tried hard the score would have probably changed only by 10 or so. It was more like "well I'm probably not gonna get this anyway, just skim the text and preserve brain energy for the next question".

I haven't been in a school setting for 3 years so having to sit down for an hour for a test doing nothing else was weird to say the least. At least I know what to expect for the next time.

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>>16392688
Oneself + part = myself.

I've been cleaning my Japanese bookmarks and found this and since I'm about to delete them I thought I'd share before it in case beginners are interested :

Yotsubato vol. 2 & 3 vocabulary lists (vol. 1 has a reading pack for your information) :
http://pastebin.com/Rqvee7KT
http://pastebin.com/0Uh32qeT

Non Non Byori vol. 1 to 3 vocabulary list :
http://pastebin.com/q2ya8VUs

>>16392688
bait post

>>16392696
>myself

Except for when it means theirself, yourself, herself, himself, etc

>>16392704
They're all in the same family of meaning. Context just changes what word is used.

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>>16392704
Context

>>16392709
Yeah and in complex sentences it's a huge pain in the ass seeing which 自分 applies to which person and in relation to what other people

>>16392715
So the complaint is that you can't read, rather than the word itself.

Give it time.

>>16392723
Nope japs just need better words

>>16392688
The example sentences here are not natural and are only meant to show how 自分 works.

自分は戦います
I myself will fight.

私は自分の猫を食うか
Would I eat my own cat?

彼は自分を殺す
He killed himself.

自分 is the "reflexive" pronoun. It refers to another pronoun to indicate that something is being done in the context of one's self. You can translate it into english as myself, my own, me myself, etc, with any "person", such as he, she, they, who, etc.

>>16392737
Yeah it's simple enough in those basic sentences, but when you get a sentence which has like 10 sub clauses in with 6 different topics and 6 different characters it gets more annoying

>>16392747
Not really. I think anon was right, the real problem is you can't really read yet. Just keep reading.

Don't think. Feel.

>>16390183
But isn't want to learn Japanese the most jp thing you can do?

>>16392811
That's like saying puberty is the most grown-up thing you can do.

>>16392828
Pretty sure most people on /jp/ don't know japanese to a meaningful extent.

Got 50 dollars I legally need to waste, any learning material for me to get and rip?

>>16391151
>a complex series of lines for specific words
What are radicals
Are you one of those fags who also brags about how he can write 20-stroke Kanji?

>状況
>事態
>様子
>調子

Why do nips have so many words to describe a condition or state?

>>16393133
and english doesn't?

>>16393133
They're all different though. Especially the last two.

Am I kidding myself by actively avoiding grammar study? I'm just using anki and chatting to qt.3.14 Japanese grills as my only forms of study. anyone have any thoughts on grammar?

>>16393194
Considering TK only takes two to four weeks at most, yeah you're doing bad. And you're also fucking up by not reading actual content every single day.
Basically you don't want to actually learn Japanese, you just want the feeling of thinking you are learning it.

>>16393257
projection

侃侃諤諤

Mmmm rare kanjis もぐもぐ

>>16393194
It just means you're going to have good conversation skills but not be able to read anything more complex than basic slice of life manga

i wish they'd use kanji whenever there's one available

>>16393345
わたしもそうおもいます

>>16393345
尊那事波名井乃出夜露死苦

>ヴ
who is responsible for this and are there any other obscure characters I've failed to learn about

>>16393364
ゐ

>>16393364
It's not obscure and you probably failed to learn it because the material you studied was trash.

>>16393364
ロ゚ニ゚ト゚チ゚リ゚ヌ゚ル゚ヲ゚ワ゚カ゚ヨ゚タ゚レ゚ソ゚ツ゚ネ゚子゚ナ゚ラ゚ム゚ウ゚井゚ノ゚オ゚ク゚ヤ゚マ゚ケ゚コ゚エ゚テ゚ア゚サ゚キ゚ユ゚メ゚ミ゚シ゚ヱ゚モ゚セ゚ス゚ン゚

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>>16393378

>>16393369
I used namasensei realkana and an anki deck I googled to test run anki as pre-kanji prep to learn the syllabary so you're probably not wrong

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What do you think about pic related?

I want to use a book that has exercises to practice forming my own sentences and shit.
I think about either getting this one or printing out the Genki workbook.

>>16393424
Use anything but genki

>>16393429
I just want the exercises.

>>16393306
いただきま～す

>>16393429
What's wrong with genki?

おはようおにいちゃん

ルーピーがトヨタを叩いてるんだけど

ルーピーってほんとルーピー

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i've been doing this for a while now and still can't tell when it should be あく or ひらく
not knowing the difference hasn't caused any trouble so far, i believe

>>16393564
おいあくしろよ

What's　ガイジ　supposed to mean?
Pretty sure it's an insult, but I don't quite get how.

>>16393599
You forgot the ん

>>16393599
It means foreign pig-dog go back to USA and eat your haanbaagaa

>>16393621
>>16393622
I'm pretty sure I didn't forget the n. Or they just leave it out and write it in katakana; I don't know the first thing about Japanese internet slang.

>>16393653
Where did you even get that word from?

>>16389391
Learning anything is different for everybody. This is partly why learning a language is so hard, especially with this one: there's multiple aspects to learn and each are crucial.
Some people do good learning vocab from cards, other from listening or writing, and some just from seeing things in context and absorbing them.
You should try each angle from learning, and see which one you enjoy or soak in the best. Once you find that, focus on the portion at hand, and move onto the other before diving into the big things. Then when you can at least understand things a bit, attempt reading and see how you do.
Don't force yourself too much, don't give up, and keep studying as much as you can. Even if your process is slow, you'll still learn it.

>>16393669
Japanese twitter buddy. Seems to be Niconico slang, but fuck me; I can't read all of that shit.
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E3%82%AC%E3%82%A4%E3%82%B8

>>16393718
Foreigner vs Foreignah
ガイジン vs ガイジ<phonemically nasal ending vowel>

>>16393718
>障害児
It's an abbreviation, then.

>>16393718
>Japanese twitter
What are you doing on that cancer?

Fuck ツ and シ, and all the fonts that make that shit hard to read.

>>16393777
I used to be sympathetic for this, but it's not hard as long as you can remember which one is more horizontal than diagonal and which one is more vertical than diagonal.

>>16393777
>and all the fonts that make that shit hard to read.
None of them?

>>16393733
Thanks. Rikaisama translated 障害児 as "handicapped child", so I was pretty confused.
>>16393756
Just some guys I play games with. They don't have any other foreigner followers, so they only posts in moonrunes, which I don't know much about.

>>16393412
>realkana
It's on realkana. There is a second page full of those types.

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う、うん、そうか

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6iss6ZjSbGgoqe6h92w9yvLrvon1PPe93wuCzrWCGI/edit?usp=sharing
Collab project maybe?

>>16393789
I'll get it with practice, it's just studying カタカナ is hard enough without a vocabulary list on hand, and words get really weird until you realize you have to watch for the angle.

>>16393789
I've been playing Final Fantasy to practice because it's loaded with カタカナ, but the font really is terrible for some letters, like the top and right end of ナ are one pixel, so it looks like フ, and the corner marks in シ and ツ are two pixels each.

>>16393756
Over half of anyone who creates anything in Japan has a Twitter these days.

>>16391893
I would have taken it to mean "raunchy" since I've heard it used that way the most.

>>16393599
It's 害子, suposed to be like "retard" or sth.

>>16393978
>子

>>16393978
Whoops, meant 害児, not 子. It's a pretty childish insult, by the way. Most often used by gradeschool students.

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>>16393424
No one?

How to skyrocket your listening level:

Step 1: Find some repetitive task that requires no mental effort like grinding vanilla wow or runescape
Step 2: Listen to audio / watch stuff on your second monitor

The simple repetitive task allows you to go on listening for hours and hours, where you might get bored after only a short period of time if you were doing nothing else.

I've leveled three characters up to 60 in vanilla wow while listening to Japaneses audio the entire time and my listening level has shot up bit a lot.

>>16394048
Sounds like a placebo to me

>>16394048
Or you can watch something compelling and focus all your attention on it.

>>16394064
What part?

>>16394070
This is what normies who spend an hour or two a day think.

>>16394048
Or you could just watch anime instead of playing the shitshow known as vanilla wow

>>16394071
The part that sounds like a placebo

>>16394009
I've heard it being recommended strongly in some places, so if you want a workbook I guess it's a decent choice. Though in my personal opinion books are meh if you're self-studying.

>>16393496
It's not designed for self study

>>16394090
And yet it works flawlessly for self study. Weird, huh!

>>16394109
>flawlessly
Yes, "you implicitly have to skip a bunch of exercises because they involve multiple people" is "flawless".

>>16394109
There are much better alternatives that are actually designed for the kind of people you get in this general

>>16394110
There's only a few group excercises that you can't do on your own because they're literally just "talk amongst yourselves" exercises. I was able to do most of the group exercises by myself.

>>16394130
You mean you don't have a tulpa?

>>16394130
It's not just the exercises tho, the structures all fucked up too because they made it with the intention of teachers using it to teach Japanese classes n shit

>>16392042
This terrifies me because I already find japanese difficult enough without the translations being bullshit half the time.

>>16394145
What do you even mean the structures are fucked up? The chapters start with new vocabulary, continue by introducing new grammar with detailed explainations, then end with a bunch of exercises that go through what you've learned. How on earth is this a "fucked up" structure?

>>16394188
It's not the type of book you're supposed to just read from start to finish, it doesn't progress in a logical way like something like Japanese The Manga Way does, it's just a random list of beginner grammar topics that teachers can pick to talk about

>>16394223
>It's not the type of book you're supposed to just read from start to finish
Yes, it is. It absolutely is. You're supposed to go through every chapter, properly, in order, and it introduces more and more advanced grammar and you progress.

>>16393424
Why are you so desperate to form sentences right away? Are you going to Japan imminently and need some survival phrases, or are you trying to impress a friend? If not, then forming your own sentences so prematurely won't help you in any way.

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Go to kitsunenekko to find some Japanese subs for Drifters, find one for the first episode... and it's subs in Russian. In the Japanese subtitles section.

Surely Jap subtitles for anime can't be this scarce. Am I looking in the wrong place or is it just uncommon to make subs for content in your own language?

>>16394223
I felt the exact opposite, that Genki and Nakama had a proper structure (although fuck Genki's romaji and fuck Nakama's late kanji integration), yet Japanese the Manga Way was totally random and starts with stupid shit like arbitration end-sentence particles which should be last on the list when learning grammar.

>>16394381
I believe romaji goes away after a couple lessons in Genki.

>>16394375
>Am I looking in the wrong place
Yes. Look for good anime.

>>16394388
It isn't there at all in Nakama and it causes zero problems, so I concluded that it was entirely pointless and could only be a hindrance in Genki.

孑孑

Will I become a Kanji master if I do this deck?
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/798002504

>This deck contains ALL information you may need for a kanji.
>It includes ALL 2136 Jouyou Kanji + JLPT N5 to N1's Kanji + 861 Jinmeiyou Kanji + 2500 Most Frequent Kanji + 3007 Kanji from Heisig's book + even more.
>(3787 notes)

I was thinking of doing 150 cards a day from this so I could finish in one month.

>>16394412
そうか

>>16394304
Neither, don't need survival phrases nor want to impress anyone, I just want to be able to express some things I learned in Japanese for the sake of it.

To be completely awful in one area is a no go for me.

>>16394431
いいえ

>>16394446
だったらどういうことですか

>>16394429
Get some experience with Anki before you decide to do such a ridiculous number of cards. The hard part is keeping up with reviews, not the new cards. I guarantee you won't be able to keep up 150 for that long unless you're some autistic supermutant.

>>16394393
No offense, but anime that's good for you is the one you're interested in watching. I could look for more mainstream stuff but it would be a slog to try and start watching those if I have no interest in them.

>>16394487
Why would you reply to this.

As for JP subs yes they're that uncommon, a shame but it's like that.

>>16394510
I see. I thought I was in the wrong section or something seeing as how they're in Russian, but I guess it's just an uncommon thing.

Thank you.

>>16394487
Just watch with English subs if your hearing is that shit

>>16394525
That's not Russian and it's not even particularly close to Russian. Not that it matters, just letting you know.

>>16394525
Only other thing I know is this https://www.nyaa.se/?page=search&cats=0_0&filter=0&term=Kamigami but most of their stuff aren't seeded so it's probably hell trying to DL anything.

Also there's that website which has anime subbed with some sort of rikai integrated and you can mouseover words and such as you watch but I forgot the name and I don't have it bookmarked it seems.

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What is a good site for J-J dictionary entries or Japanese example sentences which include the word you are looking for?

I had some saved as bookmark but I must've deleted them by accident.

>>16394572
I personally just use google.jp when I'm in trouble and then click on whatever seems to help.

Usually I'm redirected to http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/ and http://www.weblio.jp/ which I also have both bookmarked just in case. I feel like I'm missing one that's also good but I can't think of it right now.

寝たくない
働きたくない
死にたい

>>16394595
おもしろい

>>16394487
>No offense, but anime that's good for you is the one you're interested in watching.
Not if you're assburgers like me. I can't stand watching something I have a real interest in if I can't understand 100% of what's being said.

So I watch shitty shows that won't make me feel bad for not understanding a line or fifty.

>>16394618
Not him but I feel the same way as you and that's why I just got the subs of Guilty Crown off kitsuneko since apparently it's the kind of anime you can watch with your brain turned off.

I just hope they work fine.

>>16394606
お前の顔がおもしろいＦＡＧ

>>16394525
>>16394557
I found it anon, it's http://animelon.com/

>>16394647
失礼なこと言わないで、この使えないやろう

>本店
>think its bookstore
fucking fuck

>>16394690
But that's 本屋
Remember that 本 doesn't have just one meaning

>>16394690
Do you also think 日本 is sun book?

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>>16394707
>tfw mistaking 本日 for 日本 literally every time

http://ttbj.jp/

Looks similar to J-CAT. Anyone brave enough to try it? I'm too tired right now.

>>16394721
I will try it now. I'm nervous.

>need to read something
>everyone talks shit about hanahira

i dont think id be interested in little girls doing little girl things

whats an easy as hell vn about literally anything else

>>16394733
axanael

>>16394733
ものべの

>>16394748
I thought that was supposed to be hard?

>>16394755
Nah it's your dick that's hard while you're playing it

>>16394748
That has a lot of cute little girls doing little girl things.

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I think it's impossible for me to watch Japanese TV, streaming sites I used in the past are down and there is no way for me to get it even if I pay.

So what else should I watch for listening practice?

Thought about watching dramas http://www.gooddrama.to/watch-drama-shows#japanese-drama

or maybe some recorded shows on youtube, can you recommend me some?

>>16394721
Shite man, you only have 4 seconds to answer. So far the questions aren't hard but the timer is too fast.

>>16394773
You can't exactly get away from 可愛いことしている可愛い女子s in jap shit

JNovel Formatter isn't working for me. The preview looks fine but the html files it outputs are complete gibberish full of strange symbols and Chinese characters. Any idea why this might be? I got the .txt file by converting an .azw3 file in calibre if that matters.

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I'm done cleaning my bookmarks, here are all the Japanese tests I found :

http://www.j-cat.org/en/
http://ttbj.jp/
http://www.kecl.ntt.co.jp/icl/lirg/resources/goitokusei/goi-test.html
http://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/yomi/yomi.html
http://www.mlcjapanese.co.jp/Level_Check_Kanji.html
http://gamewrap.weclo.net/kanji/kanji.html
https://www.arealme.com/japanese-vocabulary-size-test/ja/

Aside from the obvious J-CAT they can all be done without need to register and are supposedly short so go ahead people, have fun and try away.

>>16394790
game center cx if you are /vr/

>>16394796
i dont know what you said but its making me think i should just deal with hanahira

>>16394833
If you can't understand that then you probably won't be able to understand Hanahira. How far are you in vocab and grammar?

>>16394790
You can watch abema tv which has several sub channels, but it's official and only available in Japan so you need a VPN (it's easy to find a free one). There's also http://mov3.co/ for a variety of other channels.

>>16394796
Well the way he phrased it made me think he has some weird fetish for old hags, so I was surprised you recommended him another lolige.

>>16394796
可愛いことしているの可愛い女子

>>16394941
no

>>16394945
可愛いことしている可愛い女子
cute girls that are doing cute things
可愛いことしているの可愛い女子
cute girls doing cute things

>>16394954
There is no point in putting の there and neither does it make a difference.

>>16394958
there is and it does

>>16394821
I've never used it, but maybe try editing the HTML to put <meta charset="UTF-8"> under the <head> tag.

>>16394960
>no u
Stupendous argument from Mr. Mount Stupid

>>16394962
i dunno man i'm certainly not the one here posing more understanding of japanese than he actually has

>>16394958
It does make a difference though. 可愛いことしている可愛い女子 = cute girls doing cute things. 可愛いことしているの可愛い女子 = the cute girls who are doing cute things, with the implication that there might be some other cute girls not doing cute things to which one could refer.

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>>16393873

>>16394966
oh yeah i wrote the comparison backwards earlier my bad

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>>16394721
Well I got owned completely. Made me realize I do not work well under pressure. Reading VNs and such made me slow since you can repeat voiced lines and have all the time in the world to read at your own pace.
I guess I'll try to watch more Japanese shows, since it tends to be more fast-paced and have a lot of words on screen.

>>16394656
Oh, thanks. I always had an interest in Ansatsu Kyoushitsu so I'll probably watch that.

にかいおなじことばはつけないほうがいいので

>かわいいことするめんこいこ

>>16394966
I don't know how you got that conclusion but eventually you'll understand that that's not how の works.

>>16394981
Another anon posted about this test a while ago.
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/147743980/#147756525

>>16394990
How much have you read? Be honest.

>>16394828
Got me interested in watching some Game Center CX, but it looks like there's no torrents of episodes 1-100 in Nyaa and the ones that are there are mostly not seeded.

>>16394988
でもわざとやってるよ、可愛さを強調するために

>>16395002
More than (You).

>>16395007
>very little

That's why you shouldn't post about things you don't understand.

>>16394992
Thanks, wonder how long he studied.

>>16394990
Humor me. Do you really think の does nothing at all there?

What does it mean when the い in adjectives is changed to げ?
Example: 寂しい ~> 寂しげ
What's the difference?

>>16394852
ive read JTMW but since i havent been reading i feel like im forgetting some grammar

ive seen 愛 i think but i think it was with aisuru
no idea what 可 is though. kinda looks like 3/4 of nani

>>16395017
Hover over げ, first rikai result.

>>16395017
げはちゅういだよ

>可愛げ＋がない

これは可愛らしい外見で可愛くないことをすることだよ

とくしゅなつかいかただけど、つかうとおもうよ

>>16394790
>So what else should I watch for listening practice?
Anime

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たとえば

めぐみんは

かわいげがない

>>16395285
は？

>>16395285
>かわいげがない
>ない
死ね

>>16395336
She's good for one or two episodes, but pretty dull outside of that.
Aqua is the real goddess of the show.

>>>/a/152077040
Can DJT learn Japanese in less than 10 years?

>>16395355
Ive been at it for a year. I can probably see a decent level of competency in another 4.

Still won't know は or が though.

>>16395351
アクアがかわいいはせいぎ

>>16392697
have vol.1 deck or list ?

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我が名はめぐみん！

黒より黒く、闇より暗き漆黒に
我が深紅の混淆を望みたもう
覚醒の時来たれり
無謬の境界に落ちし理
無業の歪みとなりて現出せよ！

踊れ、踊れ、踊れ
我が力の奔流に望むは崩壊なり
並ぶ者なき崩壊なり
万象等しく灰燼に帰し
深淵より来たれ！

これが人類最大の威力の攻撃手段
これこそが究極の攻撃魔法

エクスプロージョン！！！

>>16394961
Thanks for your reply. Doing this made it mostly work, but it still wasn't handling furigana properly (just inserting them into the text instead of over the kanji).

I actually ended up getting it work by going abandoning JNovel Formatter altogether and just using calibre to convert the azw3 to htmlz. Not really sure why I was so convinced I should use JNovel in the first place.

I heard on the grape vine that Yotsuba is a good start for reading raw. Is there any good torrents knocking around? None on nyaa seem to have enough seeders.

>>16395464
read the OP

>>16395465
Oh fuck, skimmed over the OP but didn't see a guide link.

Grazie bene.

>>16395464
>I heard on the grape vine that Yotsuba is a good start for reading raw

It's actually not, it's full of colloquial speech which hardly even resembles what you learned in Tae Kim.

>>16395470
What would be better? Or is that in the guide?

>>16395471
>What would be better?

Either graded readers or whatever interests you.

可愛い少女のしている可愛いこと

Non Non Biyori? I assume that's pretty easier and an earlier anon >>16392697 posted the vocabulary list to get started.

>>16395488
there's also SZS, which has a transcription of about half the first volume

>>16395355
Ｉ’ｖｅ　ｏｎｌｙ　ｂｅｅｎ　ｓｔｕｄｙｉｎｇ　ｆｏｒ　ｔｗｏ　ｙｅａｒｓ　ａｎｄ　Ｉ　ａｌｒｅａｄｙ　ｋｎｏｗ　Ｊａｐａｎｅｓｅ．

>>16395488
Yeah, NNB is the same level as Yotsubato. Really, though, that's as easy as it gets.

>>16395512
What makes you think DJT cares about microphones?

>>16395502
見せてやれ

>>16395672
i just started on 苺ましまろ and i should have done nnb i think
kansaiben a shit, thank god for whoever linked me
http://sorayuko.s251.xrea.com/kansei.html

>>16395440
>ネタ魔法

気が狂った彼をあの小屋にかわりにいれとこう

How would you translate this? I don't understand いれとこう, but I'm fairly certain it's supposed to sound a bit hick-ish.

>>16395798
いれておこう

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>Feel like I'm doing absolutely terribly in anki
>40 cards forgotten

>Feel like I'm absolutely killing it in anki
>60 cards forgotten

I'm beginning to buckle down and really learn Japanese and I have a question about something.

Does Kanji ever get intuitive? I see it mixed into kana and it seems jarring to me that I would have to memorize the meanings of all of these elaborate shapes that are far far more complicated than hiragana and katakana are.

So like, say I saw the words "red barn" in English, but between the words red and barn there was a kanji that was unknown to me. Are there any ways to decipher what it means in this context without having to look it up? I could assume that they're further describing what type of barn this is.

>>16396015
Tell me about ORTHOGRAPHY and STATIONERY used for SCRIBing please
Did that make sense other than the random caps? Kanji play that kind of role.

このすば

１１話がいちばんよかった

１話から１０話はじかんのむだ

>>16396022
ii jikan yo

>>16396015
http://forum.koohii.com/thread-13943-post-240908.html#pid240908
>When you use your understanding of the language in general to predict the meaning of a word based on its kanji in japanese, you don't do so on account of knowing proper meanings. Meanings are a small component of it. The key elements in predicting the meaning of a word are 1) words with shared characters that are used in similar situations*; 2) association between the kanji in the unknown word and the other words in which that kanji appears**; 3) general reading comprehension.

>>16396024
おにいちゃんこのすば二期みる？

あたしはみないかな

>>16396022
edgyな感想だな

>>16396286
だだだだだだれがエッチだ

しつれいな

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I've been reading some Japanese sayings and they were really interesting, made me wonder what Japanese folktales are like.

Does anyone know where to find Japanese folktales online or is there a book or something I can import?

>>16394970
Are you mocking the filter I'm using or am I thinking too much into this? That's the pretty much the only filter worth something, the others or not using one looks like shit.

>>16394981
>>16394992
How are we supposed to interpret those scores though? Seems like there's 230 points total and you scored 174, you then got 75 average... / ?
I'll try the test later today I think.

>>16395419
For Yotsubato? I'm pretty sure it's in the OP/CoR >>16388812 somewhere. Look for something called "Yotsubato reading pack" or something.

>>16396467
Have you tried Googling "Japanese folktales"?