/lang/ - language learning

>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

LANGUAGE-SPECIFIC IMAGE GUIDES/WALKTHROUGHS:

>Arabic
https://i.imgur.com/GaPEIBr.png

>Farsi
https://i.imgur.com/zAN5eMU.png

>Finnish
https://i.imgur.com/thYqRE9.png

>French
https://i.imgur.com/UpCEFWl.png

>German
https://i.imgur.com/ZTrFFlB.png
https://i.imgur.com/CzpgmUP.png

>Irish
https://i.imgur.com/OR95Lah.jpg

>Japanese
https://i.imgur.com/Ur8PzMZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/InA8n4n.png

>Mandarin (traditional characters)
https://i.imgur.com/mNvOu9i.png

>Russian
https://i.imgur.com/zhwCKlo.png

>Spanish
https://i.imgur.com/AKboS8t.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IQW5sKT.png

>Swedish
https://i.imgur.com/zjjjxct.png

>Turkish
https://i.imgur.com/IgPQdj8.jpg

首先为中国

How do french pronunciation?

>>78959875
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_orthography#Sound_to_spelling_correspondences
this might be helpful if you know IPA.

>>78957900
neat picture

>>78959875
vocaroo yourself

What's that language called that's supposed to be mutually intelligible with germanic languages? It was made by some group of people and they had different ideas of how it should be spelt so there are different variants of it.

>>78960490
maybe this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folkspraak ?

see this too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan-Germanic_language

met someone in game who speaks french, tried speaking to him and got my point across.
felt good man, wish I was surrounded by french speakers so I could pick it up faster.

How many new words do you guys learn per day? I've got 20 for Japanese currently, thinking about increasing it.

>>78960551
yup definitely folkspraak. Thanks!

>>78960769
I kept adding more cards to my long term learning, and the problem is now some days I have like 170 cards pending review in Quizlet. So if you are using Anki/Quizlet or whatever, just be aware how much you add because it can get overwhelming.

To more directly answer you question, yeah you can do more than 20 per day, but slowly increase.

Ĉu estas samideano ĉi tie? Dum longa tempo mi ne afiŝis ĉi tie.

>>78960551
Folkspraak would be interesting to learn. Apparently there's a language that is mutually intelligible to slavic speakers, but I've never heard anyone confirm it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovio

lol i just remembered those /int/ learns a language thread

>>78961068
there's also interslavic, which is supposed to be more natural to learn or something.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interslavic_language
i'm also kind of interested in how intelligible these conlangs are.

Suppose that I'm B2/C1 in italian and I want to learn Spanish for work reasons. How quickly could I breeze through the grammar? Obviously the grammar will be different with rules like subjunctive so I know it can take at least a year to be able to speak without any stuttering

>listen to German radio
>they're just talking about the US all the time

really?

I want to learn second a language but I don't know which one to learn

>>78962951
It'll be difficult to stay motivated if you don't have a genuine interest in the language or its culture. Nothing sticks out to you?

>>78962951
probably French, it's just south of you and has plenty of material, pretty easy, and French people like to help foreigners learning French

>>78962951
Lernu Esperanton.

>>78963054
Esperanto is literally useless

>>78962997
Not really, but I'd like to learn a western European language that is not too dissimilar to English. Don't want to try learning something too difficult as a second language.

>>78963019
I loathe French, I was forced to do two years of it at school with a teacher who couldn't teach.

>>78963409
Deutsch mein Freund

>>78962884
that's because you're the best & most important country in the world m8, obviously

Should I learn Malay?

>>78963409
Dutch is pretty nice (to me anyways), grammatically similar to german, but simpler - I wouldn't say German is hard though.
Norwegian seems like a decent language to learn (I haven't had difficulty with it but I haven't learnt much of it either), and the vocab is similar to Dutch, though it's not western.

>>78963617
yes

>>78963409
Forget about you French teacher and try to approach the language yourself. You'll probably see the good things about it soon.

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what happens then?

>>78963708
Bokmål/Danish is basically as much related to Low German (W. Germanic) as Norse (N. Germanic)

the criteria of them claiming to be N. Germanic is to avoid admitting being cucked so hard

>>78963973
the black man lived in peace

Can I teach English if I have a Cambridge Proficiency cert?
Or do I need a degree from a university?

German is so hard.

best chinese language?

>>78963409
If you're a beginner to language learning, French would be easiest for an English person. As, >>78963957
Says, start from the beginning for yourself. French is actually really nice.

Or you could go down the tried hands tested route of learning Latin first. This then makes any other European language trivial.

>>78969342
Tried-and-tested*

I don't know if anyone is learning Icelandic, but I came across this
http://www.alarichall.org.uk/teaching/modern_icelandic.php

Tries to mimic the Michel Thomas method. For free

>>78960490
>>78960551
I can tell you this; as a Dutch German and English speaker it's looks like a mishmash of Germanic languages and it's certainly not understandable if you don't know most Germanic languages.
At least half of it looks like Scandinavian and if you ever try to use Folkspraak irl I can only assume you would look like a retard having a stroke.

tldr learn a real Germanic language

>>78962398
Italian grammar is pretty straightforward to me. Because you'd get a lot of the vocabulary down quickly, I'd focus on reading/listening for a while to get a feel for Spanish grammar. You'll know what's being said even if you don't understand the rules. After you've got the feel for it go ahead and get a grammar book. It can be overwhelming to articulate why the grammar works before seeing it work in practice. Again, I say this because you already have an extreme advantage with vocabulary.

Why do you people want to learn Folkspraak. Interslavic etc. ? It seems useless to me because if you spoke it to natives they will think you're retarded. I guess you could use to learn languages easier in the future, but it's quicker to just learn a real language

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>170 terms awaiting review

>>78971329
Looked like almost entirely German to me

>>78968112
Tocarian

>>78973138
I want to kick back up the Pan-Germanic Imperium that Hitler wanted in 1928 before he started changing his racial views

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Hey lads, just ordered my first book in German.

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>>78977697
Enjoy. I can barely read an English book anymore my attention span is so low.

What's it about? Something an Socialism?

>>78977697
>"my first book in german"
>chooses fucking spengler

You're not going to have much fun with this one. He's using very high tier german. Doubt you'll understand much.

>>78977697
read marx instead

>>78977905
Prussianism and Socialism, read a chapter of it in english 2 years ago
>>78977974
I'm going to be having wiktionary open the whole time, besides I like the complexity of it. When I'm done it'll be how Algebra 2 equations are easy now even though I had trouble in algebra 1

Do any of you people find yourself in a setting where you are using multiple languages daily?

My settis:

Working language is norwegian.

We speak japanese at home.

I regularly speak with my family members and buddies in native finnish.

Then I use english to gather information and interact on the internet.

If there is anyone out there with a similar lifestyle I'm interested in hints about how to get focused on a single one language. I feel like doing all this at once is a bit confusing. How do you concentrate on a singe subject. Thinking about enrolling on courses....

>>78978265
>we speak japanese at home
did you marry a nip or something

>>78978196
Well, if you're a masochist you should consider reading Jahre der Entscheidung first if you're not familiar with his ideas and the historical context.

Preußentum und Sozialismus is mostly his opinion on a highly specific topic.

>>78971343
Sorry I meant to say thanks and I'll be sure to focus on listening and reading while picking up the vocabulary I don't know before checking out the grammar

>>78978196
I admire that dedication. That's how I learn too. Enjoy!

Did 3 Pimsleur German lessons last night, d-did I do good /lang/?

>>78978317

Yes I married a japanese national and so far I've been thinking about it this way " if something is not broken don't fix it"

Looking for serious advice on multiple languages though.

I can read and understand german pretty well(far from complete control.), also follow on with some basic french.

>>78978352
I have Der Untergang des Abendlandes Volume 1in English, still getting through it but planning on finishing it by the time this comes in. I've also read some Julius Evola which was a contemporary and he even mentions spengler in his book on the pre-war germany.
>>78978453
Yeah it's going to be tough, probably going to take a couple weeks per chapter and it's a short book

>>78978530
很好,加油

>>78978530
honestly sounds like a bit too much, I've never done more than two a day and I tend to review them more than once in a day

>>78978697
how long've you been at it with German?

>>78980098
3 years, though it's been awhile. Went on Krautchan a bit, now I only use it for listening to Rechtrock. Translated the song "Stimmen im Wind" on my own.

I'm taking beginner spanish for health professions and for some reason I'm struggling. It should be easy since I took 2 years of span in high school but I can barely tell the time and date now.

>>78981484
I took some Spanish in high school and now, years later, don't remember much. Two years of Spanish isn't very much though, you'll learn where you were pretty quickly doing self study.

>>78978530
>Did 3 Pimsleur German lessons last night, d-did I do good /lang/?
It's tempting to go faster than one per day because Pimsleur is such a long process at that rate, but I think instead of doing more lessons you should try to maybe read or do grammar studies or something else instead of more lessons. Stick to one per day. But, yes, good job for studying!

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>>78957984
>Arabic
>https://i.imgur.com/GaPEIBr.png

Did you make these? If so, I don't want to edit them without your approval, but there are tons of resources on Arabic grammar. Faruk Abu-Chacra's "Arabic: An Essential Grammar" is an excellent starting point for beginners, it's well written and explains the grammar in an easy-to-understand way. William Wright's "A Grammar of the Arabic Language" is the holy book of Arabic grammar, but targeted more towards advanced learners. As for dictionaries, the compact version of Hans Wehr's Arabic dictionary will be an invaluable companion for learners.

These three books should, in my humble opinion, be mentioned in any infograph on learning Arabic.

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Anyone know where I can find the transcript for Pimsleur Spanish?

>starting to feel like I'm wasting time learning my meme language
I just want to learn something that has a non-shady presence on the internet

Has anyone been able to realistically travel the world while teaching english?

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>>78974325
>250 due cards

>>78982365
>Did you make these?
Nah, they're all made by other posters here, then linked in the copypastas in the first few posts of every thread.

if you feel like helping, then i'd say go for it, and either edit the original, or make your own. it's nice to have more content.

>>78984605
on a trustfund or if you're a major hustler I can imagine it. But usually you at best break-even and even that can be hard. By a hustler I mean a good looking young guy who can sweet talk older women into being a very overpaid private tutor that gets tipped while spending 12 hours or so a day going from family to family tutoring

not easy but it's kind of like anything else

Hi there. I'm learning English by myself.
I think I'm about pre-intermediate.

>>78985359
so jealous of English learners

I'm learning German and German media is absolute shit. There's only a handful of good German films and zero good German series.

>>78984605
>>78985340
Wouldn't you need to speak their native language fluently? I'm having flashbacks to my high school Spanish teacher that couldn't speak English very well.

>>78985587
I watched The Same Sky on Netflix and it was good

>>78985667
looks decent, I'll check it out

>>78985587
but i have one problem, I think I won't be able to speaking good.
Now I'm learning grammar and listening through cartoons, but i don't speak

>>78985850
a speaking partner could help

do you have discord?

>>78985883
Yeah, but I dont want to talk to someone, that's my problem for now

>>78985850
it's a major leap but one thing lucky about it is that English speakers are pretty forgiving over mistakes and most deal with foreigners speaking English all the time

Try and find a partner and don't worry about sounding stupid

Also if anyone is insteresting in Russian I can help(but only through chatting)

Oгoнь пo гoтoвнocти!

>>78985602
I'm going to have a minor in Spanish, about thirty percent of the way to fluency if I had to put a number on it.
I just know it's a cliche, but I'm 22 and really want to see a lot of the world before I'm tied down by a grill or worse

>>78986955
Makes sense. I respect that. I'm pretty wealthy and /foreveralone/ so travel is really easy for me.

>>78987024
I come from a family where vacations were to a beach in Florida or a lake in Arkansas or something (from Houston). Never been out of the country and have a desire to see the rest.

where do I pirate assimil courses

some guy on youtube says the second edition of assimil courses are the best, where can I find that

>>78985587
>and zero good German series.
Are you fucking kidding me?

Medicopter 117 is a timeless classic.

>>78987165
Great. Travel provides a wider perspective that is incredibly valuable for later life, especially in business which is so highly globalized now. I attribute my travels when younger with aiding a lot of my successful international work. Also never say "I'll go there later" because, for example, there are parts of indonesia I would no longer go as an American that was able to ten years ago. So you if get a chance to go someplace, take it, in case you can't (or probably shouldn't) go later.

>>78987572
what line of work are you in? Would love to spend a few years working in another cunt

>>78987489
try the pirate bay / other torrent sites maybe? also see the /t/ thread linked earlier, some of the torrents there should have some courses in them.
i also know libgen has a ton of assimil stuff on it, just the books though. wouldn't know where / how to find a specific edition though.

>>78987710
I'm in manufacturing. Maybe you could get an international internship in your field of study over a summer? I took a German kid in for two months a few years ago.

>>78987898
>Maybe you could get an international internship in your field of study over a summer?
I'm >>78987165
Not a terrible idea, I'll look with my university, I go to Sam Houston if it helps

>>78988330
Not that guy you replied to, but I'm also at SHSU. I don't know of a whole lot of travel opportunities at Sam. Closest I know are some study abroad flyers I've seen on walls at the CHSS and Evans and that our e-sports team got funded to go to South Korea.

>>78988596
Yeah I just looked at their study abroad (or two haha) programs and the only one that'd apply to me is the Spanish language one for Costa Rica. But it'd be cheaper for me to finish school here desu and then see what my options are.

>>78988330
>>78988596
If your school isn't helpful in that regard, consider finding something on your own. The German student contacted me directly, then arranged with his school to have it be an internship. So you could maybe decide on a country and industry you are interested in, and then contact the right person. Easier said than done obviously, but possible.

>>78988799
Thanks for the insight
There's just only so much time in our lives and so much to see and learn. I want to have an educated opinion on things that matter, and that's tough to do when you can only see things from one perspective

>>78986263
Such a confusing phrase. It is not and was never used in the Russian army. The meaning is furthermore unclear. It's only good as an Overwatch meme.

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I cannot for the life of me learn a second language. I never expected it to be easy, but I can never seem to surpass that hopeless beginner level where I'm lost even with a dictionary. The ironic thing is that in my efforts I've learned a lot about how linguistics work in general, and I think my English might even be better for it. But I can't ever break that barrier with another language. I've been trying since I was 13. How do you guys do it?

>>78989314
nut up kiddo

>>78989031
Anytime. Good luck to you.

>>78987848
All there is to assimil is the book plus audio files right?

I mean I can't think of what else there would be. Maybe the audio comes in different sets or something though?

>>78991566
Do you know of any Americans who teach English in Argentina?

>>78991882
>Why you ask anon?
I want to travel the world but make money too, and I have a strong affinity for latin american women

>>78992157
>What's your background? Age, experience, spanish language level, etc
Only a couple years until I get my Bachelor's Degree. Major in History, Minor in Spanish, the goal was to teach high school history in my hometown, but the minor in Spanish is so I can extend my options. I'd say I'm about 25 percent fluent, I'm really fuzzy on certain tenses like subjunctive and some future tense stuff. As far as work experience, I've waited table for awhile, I'm 22 years old.

>>78957900

Is 23 too late to speak a third language fluently in like a year ? I know nothing about language acquisition. I just know I had trouble with everything that wasn't english in school, and I didn't care enough to study, and just knowing english and latin is pleb.

>>78992601
>italki
Huh never knew this existed. This could totally be another avenue to what I want to do, thanks anon. I just at least want to finish my Bachelor's so I have something to fall back on but that site looks good for both learning and making some cash once I'm fluent enough

>>78992458
7 is the cut off for language acquisition, bro

>>78989314
Spain has a proper educational system
You need to obsess over the language youre learning, abandon your native language while youre in the internet
But you are posting in english so you probably gave up already

>>78992354
>I'm 22 years old
Too late

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>>78992954
>Too late
Nonsense
Sorry your brain stopped working after 7.

>>78992997
Do your homework, son. Resorting to ad hominem is pretty lowbrow.

>>78993252
Play what card?

>>78993103
So what's the claim that you're making, people can't become fluent in a language after age seven? That runs completely into conflict with every personal experience I've had with somebody who learned English as a second language. Show me what study(ies) led you to that conclusion.

>>78993349
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_period_hypothesis

>>78993438
Interesting. So you admit it's still a widely debated theory that doesn't encompass every situation?

>>78993438
>David Singleton states that in learning a second language, "younger = better in the long run," but points out that there are many exceptions, noting that five percent of adult bilinguals master a second language even though they begin learning it when they are well into adulthood—long after any critical period has presumably come to a close.[9]

>While the window for learning a second language never completely closes, certain linguistic aspects appear to be more affected by the age of the learner than others. For example, adult second-language learners nearly always retain an immediately identifiable foreign accent, including some who display perfect grammar.

Sounds like the accent is the biggest thing. But that's not necessarily a requirement for people to understand you.
w o w
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>>78993767
>nearly always
those two words alone discredit the entire "argument"

Is Spanish significantly poorer than English?

>>78995430
languages don't have wealth silly.

>>78995501
>>78995529
Dashed ridiculous of you both to be acting in that way. You know perfectly well what I meant by poor.

>>78996048
No one knows what you mean anon

>>78996088
>>78996120
Vocabulary-wise.

How much pronunciation do you guys practice. I've been learning some chinese characters but i haven't practiced speaking since chances are that i'll never go to China or speak with a native because of my social anxiety

>>78996241
Sticking words together ≠ 'richer'.

>>78996293
I don't learn modern languages, so zero.

>>78996388
The first thing I thought of was Sindarin, one of Tolkien's languages, of all things. But I know you probably mean like Latin, ancient Greek, Old English, etc.

>>78996456
Spot on. And Sanskrit, and Qur'anic Arabic.

>>78971329
I don't think it was ever intended to be spoken, because of the varying pronunciations between speakers. It seems more like an experiment than anything useful (especially when most germanic speakers know English or German anyways).
I wasn't interested in entirely learning it though, I just forgot what it was called.

>>78992458
you may never speak without an accent and you will almost certainly never be indistinguishable from a native, but you can certainly learn to quite a high level—good enough not to slow down native speakers or be slowed down
this will take a bit more than a year on average though unless it's all you do in the year

>>78997356
why are people so obsessed wit fluency and 'sounding native'?

if I can get myself to conversation level I'll be super satisfied.
whatever improvements after that will come through use of the language, not study.

though for me it would technically be third language,
but its about the same as we learn english at age 10.
also I'm 28 as of today.

the same could be said about playing guitar and shiet.
"you wont get on X guitarist level because he started at age 4."

who cares?
if you dont do it because you want to, but because you want to be *best*, you already failed.

>>78999362
I agree with you. I think of it as self-improvement. I start now, better late than never, and do the best I can. Really in 2-3 years of practicing a language with any consistency you'll be very good, so starting language late isn't that big of a deal. Still worthwhile at 50 let alone 28.

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>>78961068
>tfw esperanto

Unua fojo mi efektive vidas alian Esperantiston sur cxi tie fadeno

>>78999362
oh yeah 100% with you. learning a language as an adult is a completely different thing than acquiring one as a child, but this should in no way put you off if you want to speak or read in it. just saying what you can realistically expect.

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> after a month of duolingo i attempted to read a short story in russian

I've spent 4 fucking years learning German just because it feels too late to back out. Went there around my 3rd year and also played a ton of games online trying to talk to them and I always get hit with the fucking infamous
>I speak English
Like even in the dumbest little podunk mountain villages it's the same shit. What the fuck is German education?

>>79000160
A confusing mess. I've learnt 9 years of German, and only now I realize my German is not the Berliner's German, since I watch Deutsche Welle and I don't understand a single thing...

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women btfo

>>78993438
Mate that's for primary language acquisition. There's nothing saying a person can't become fluent later in life, just that they may not perfect the accent.

>>79001839
>>78993438
remember that when you are learning your first language you are surrounded by it all day for years with no other language to fall back on.
if an adult spent as much time learning an language as a child does, he would be fluent before the child.

when where you fluent in your native language?
shit we dont even start writing until we are 6 mostly.

i call BS on the "kids are better learners" schtick

>>78957900
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>>78989312
>It is not and was never used in the Russian army.
???

>>79005439
(Rapid fire) — вид cкopocтpeльнoгo apтиллepийcкoгo oгня. Пpи вeдeнии cтpeльбы Б. O. кaждoe opyдиe бaтapeи cтpeляeт нe пo кoмaндe или cигнaлy (peвyнy), A ПO ГOTOBHOCTИ К BЫCTPEЛУ.

Caмoйлoв К. И. Mopcкoй cлoвapь. - M.-Л.: Гocyдapcтвeннoe Boeннo-мopcкoe Издaтeльcтвo HКBMФ Coюзa CCP, 1941

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How many can you pronounce?

>>79002129
A child does not know how to study. It's just years of immersion.

>>79006473
I don't even know what all those terms mean.

>>79006956
http://www.ipachart.com
Click on the consonants to hear their sounds

>>79002129
Acquisition as a child and acquisition as an adult are fundamentally different things, just like "fluency" as a child and "fluency" as an adult are fundamentally different. Take this as an example: you can certainly learn a language to fluency now, but if you tried to do it the way babies do, you'd get nowhere near speaking it, let alone having it as second-nature—and as for people somehow deprived of linguistic input as babies, many can be taught to communicate but none have ever acquired any language, let alone capital-L Language, to a normal, functional level.
The critical period is pretty much universally agreed to be real and just accepted not to be well-understood enough among Linguists, and isn't even a debate among biologists.

>>79002129
Also: writing ability has nothing to do with fluency. For adult learners, it can be very closely related, depending on how integrated it is into the learning process, but it's important not to confuse the two, because written language simply isn't natural language. Nobody learns to write before they learn their first language—it's a skill that has to be taught—and it's only really invented a handful of times in human history. The type of alphabetic system that we use has been invented all of once. Don't conflate literacy with fluency.
I'm not disagreeing with the point that well-focused adults can learn perhaps faster than babies—but it's important to recognize that the two processes are fundamentally different and have fundamentally different results.

>>79005534
That's just a description. Can you find a command? There's no such command.

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Not normally into thicc but some great tits and I can learn por versus para.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UsHmPkUx_o

>>79009288
http://vm.ru/news/401292.html
ctrl+f oгoнь пo гoтoвнocти

>>78985587
>zero good German series.
are you serious ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2EqC_tWMkc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OV2rFcHOglI

>>79009566
>http://vm.ru/news/401292.html
Oh I see. Sorry.

>>78985587
Deutschland 83

Farsi, Russian or Chinese for literature, /lang/?
I'm a Jap so I already know the characters p good. Getting started reading right away isn't an issue on any of them.

>>79014659
I've got a strong interest in Middle Eastern storytelling and poetic traditions, but you're probably right. Farsi I can always do later, knowing Arabic already.

>>79014552
>tfw no Japanese gf

>>79014833
It's a mercy, lol. Stay as far away from Japanese things as you can unless you have a very specific interest that requires you to interact with us bunch/learn Japanese.

>>79014552
>>79014659
I don't know, Chinese has thousands of years of literature, Russia has a couple hundreds. I'd still pick Russian, but I'm a gopnikboo

>>79014552
Farsi for Poetry, Russian for "literature" literature, Chinese for ye olde classics

>>78996597
I don't understand why there aren't more people learning Sanskrit.
The most perfect of all languages with no challengers whatsoever, and there are plenty of books and websites to learn it.
I would rather have learned Sanskrit than ancient greek in high school.

>>79015266
>The only justified reason
>Learning a language for sake of knowing a language isn't a proper reason
kys you'reselves

>>79014969
But I want to subsist on Japanese qts' farts.

>>79015476
Learning for learning's sake is literally the greatest reason to learn anything though

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Lads help me, i know duolingo isn't very good but is it worth it to use it as a warming up? or would i better off spending that time with memrise ,my coursebook or translating songs?

>>79015869
Would you consider Spanish rich in terms of literary heritage?

>>79015869
Currently learning Farsi, but that's for interest reasons (want to go there and there's stuff I want to read). However, I want to learn korean after this, just to learn a completely different language.

>>79015869
I'm already near the end of the tree and i'd reckon my polish is low to mid A2 depending on the category

>>79015674
Assimil

>>79015423
Unfortunately, that involves swallowing a lot of stubborn old men's farts as well, as well as all the shit that comes with a Confucian culture. Stay away, anon. It's better for your health.
Unless you just gotta. Then more power to you.

>>79015476
That's a good point, though I'm already used to SOV order from Japanese and much of the vocabulary from Arabic.
I think Russian sounds the most appealing to me, though, it's true.

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>>79016542
Thanks for the advice anon, i'll stick with my book flashcards and music then

>>79016696
It's called "Polish doesn't bite" it isn't great or anything but it does the job and explains grammar decently, unfortunately it isn't very long( i started working on it <2 months ago and i'm already half way) but for what it's worth it's pretty good

I'm learning Dutch and I'm having fun.

It's similarity to English really helps, but the word order really fucks me up, I'll get there eventually though.

All in all I recommend it as a third language, it's fun, plus from what I have seem Dutch people seem really cool and the Netherlands is really pretty.

>>78957900
I'd like to point out that that image as a red-coloured Portugal in it.

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>>79019936
Man why the fuck you still using Duolingo

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>>79020185
i have to feed the great golden owl

>>78961068
It is (Slovak here, disregard flag, in Ukraine currently and posting did not work so I tried a proxy).

>>78961256
Interslavic is much better.

>>78960996
Lol@ 170 reviews a day. When I was preparing for the HSK I would add 120 new cards every day.

That's just under 3 hours of reviews every day for two months, and going down after that thankfully.

>>78962951
Go for arabic it's easy af and you'll feel welcome anywhere

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>>79017036
>One of the most popular methods
I have no idea what you mean by that
>How did you end up with Polish?
I started in April 2016 because i wanted to Learn Croatian but i couldn't find any resources(i wanted to learn croatian because my family is from former yugoslavia). After about a month i gave up on Polish, over time i became interested again and in December or January i started learning because i am interested in Poland not because of the Similar languages meme.

>>78968112
gunboats

>>79016494
Russian is often SOV, but the word order is frequently scrambled and it's all meaningful in subtle ways. For example, a SVO sentence may express a factual statement, while SOV changes it into a promise (among other possible things). Because of this, non-SVO word orderings are felt to be more conversational. I'd compare it to Latin where the default order is pitched as SOV, but this was violated at every step by all Romans.

>>78985587
As some people have mentioned, get good enough and another world of literature awaits you

My favorite thing is when you finally clue into a pattern on your own that the internet has been telling you about for the last two weeks.

German article/adjective declination is so easy once you remember which cases and genders use -en, -er, -em,-es, and -e :-)

>>78989314
it takes a lot of time and a lot of practice

>>79021856
When i googled "Teach yourself Polish" i got no results
Linguaphone doesn't appear to offer Polish
Assimil's site is French and i don't speak French
The FSI course does look promising so i'll check it out, thanks

>>79022214
Assimil's textbooks aren't even that good. The main reason to use them is the audio, which is the best by far in terms of gradation. You don't need any French for that.

What about keeping a diary in german to learn german more efficient? Yay or nay?

>>79022816
Even the better textbooks are second to the audio, I think. Maybe Latin is an exception.

>>79023027
I did this for awhile. It can be fun, but you're presumably not showing it around that much, so it's kinda just dead effort. Plus you end up with a shitty diary that way. I keep a multilingual diary I'm the languages I know well because sometimes I can just say something better in one or the other—but I don't wanna make mistakes into a vacuum. This is the kind of thing that Lang8 was great for—pity about that.

>>79023027
sounds good to me

>>79022816
Thanks i'll take a look at it, are you learning polish too?

>>79023280
>Write a book about dicks and hot dogs if you want as long as you're writing.
Nah but a diary would actually be useful, since you're writing about your everyday life, and you express things you might need to say in a conversation.

>>79023851
But if you aren't showing or to anyone, what's the point? Someone needs to make something to replace Lang8.

>>79023298
>>79024056
I think you're the one I asked this to before, what is italki missing that you liked about lang-8?

Well, boys. Looks like it's time to give up.
I'm making such slow progress with Russian.

Awhile ago someone posted a blog that had a few posts ranking how difficult some languages were for English speakers on a custom scale. It was based on grammar, sounds and pronunciation I think. Guy might have been slightly racist. Anyone remember/have a link to it?

>>79026633
It's likely your methods, not the language. Have you tried approaching it in a different way?

>>79026633
Don't give up, try to find ways to motivate yourself (Music, shitposts in Russian etc.) Learning a language is hard especially when you're an american learning Russian. Do your best and you will succeed

>>79026225
Different vibe to the community, mostly. The great thing about Lang8 was all in that: how easy it was to find chat partners and how easy it was to find people writing wild shit.

>>79021077
> Arabic
> easy af
Poor bait.

>>79021525
The problem with German is noun plurals.

>>79026653

Was it this?

https://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/more-on-the-hardest-languages-to-learn-non-indo-european-languages/

Im thinking about picking up High Valyrian on duolingo, it looks kinda similar to latin which i sorta remember from high school.
Is anyone ITT learning that language?

>>79029414
>>>/tv/

>>79029563
I thought you guys liked learning nerd conlanguages

>>79029414
I believe Duolingo has that now. Give it a go.

>>79027551
Since lang-8 disallowed new accounts, there's been talk at LLorg (where the HTLAL people moved to) about making a replacement. But a community vibe is admittedly hard to control...

>>79029336
Yes! Thank you

>>79029845
can't believe*

>>79027551
>>79029871
Will they open account signups again in the future? Any word on that?

>>79028023
Up until recently I haven't been systematically studying how plurals work, I've just sort of been gaining a general intuition (ie "what feels/sounds right") as to what makes a noun plural.

Similarly, I also haven't been memorizing the gender of nouns, but rather guessing based on intuition and then double checking with a dictionary. It's been working surprising well actually. I hate rote memorization so im happy about that.

>>79030196
you that guy learning Swiss German

I just noticed Pimsleur has Swiss German if that helps

>>78960551
pretty useful, lad. thanks

>>79029953
Well, they made a news announcement on the website last month where they suggested that they'll allow sign-ups again in March 2018, and that you might have to pay to register.

>We had originally planned to lift the suspension after 6 months, but due to a continued lack of resources within the company, we will need to extend the period into next year.
>We are aiming to reopen sign-ups in March of 2018, though this date isn’t set in stone.
>We are currently looking at strategies to help us maintain and support Lang-8 while allowing free users who have already registered to continue using the platform for free.
>Some possible changes include charging a small fee to register to the platform.

I hope the LLorg guys get around making a replacement soon, if new signups are going to be paid...

>>79030480
Yeah, I came across that the other day and downloaded it.

The first tape upset me a little bit. I've been putting all my time into trying to understand standard German, only to feel like i'm starting at square one again in terms of listening. (and reading, since the tinder girls like to use swiss german :-( ) But, it was noticeably helpful since I was able to understand fragments of my room mates' swiss german chatter 2 days ago, so i guess i'll stick with it

>read an article on the French wikipedia
>tons of words I don't know so I break out anki to make some vocab cards
>spend a large amount of time making cards for words in the first paragraph
>immediately lose interest in continuing for the rest of the page
Is this normal or am I doing something wrong?

>>79031580
Giving up is sadly rather normal

>>79030848
I'm decent with Pennsylvania German so occasionally reading Swiss I can pick out dialect terminology that I understand. The sound and accent is completely different though

>>79031580
What you're doing wrong is using anki for a language for which just reading a whole lot combined with Pimsleur or something would be much more effective and much more fun. As an Anglophone, very little in French should be both entirely foreign and uninferable. The idea of doing anki reps for more difficult languages is that you don't have enough knowledge to struggle through reading to even the extent that you're doing for French. Once you do, the spaced repetition thing kind of takes care of itself, and does so better than Anki possibly can—you'll get down the language's most common words incredibly quickly by reading since you'll be seeing them a lot anyway, more than at Anki frequency. Since French is close to English in both vocabulary and grammar, you can and should get to simply absorbing as much of the language very early. Just make sure you listen a lot too so that you aren't reading with an inaccurate mental voice.

>start learning mandarin characters
>encounter japanese texts and titles with transcription and translation often
>I understand a bit of those now
>still no idea about mandarin
FUCK THIS GAY EARTH

What's the best way to learn whether to use "de" or "à" in French after a verb?

>>79032993
Prepositions are arbitrary. Expose yourself to a huge amount of text and speech and you'll get it.

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How does Hebrew sounds like to you? Would you say it's similar to arabic or maybe something european?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzGD14XEMl4

제가 지금은 한국어를 궁부해요.

>>79036866
*공부

>>79036855
More European, but like a fusion. It's difficult to really tell what characteristically "European" features came directly from Europe, though—while there's no question that the language as spoken today would have been completely different had people other than Ashkenazim been in power during the revival, it's difficult to find particular totally "non-semitic" features—though there certainly are plenty. Apparently, there are documents from the second temple era condemning "pronunciation errors" (ie, a dialect) taking place in the north, among them the elision of 3ayn and loss of emphatic consonants. Kind of poignant in its own way regarding identity, no? The issues surrounding Hebrew phonology are more interesting than Hebrew phonology itself.

That said, Hebrew sounds like shit compared to any dialect of Arabic.

Norsk

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>>79036855
it sounds evil but that's partially because literally every Israeli I've ever met has been a horrible person. I can hear some elements of European pronunciation but it sounds pretty Arabic like

>>79037224
they should've gone with aramaic

too late now though lol

>>79039875
>evil sect whose holy book claims they're superior to all other humans
Even if you did meet one that wasn't a evil horrible person, they'd only be posturing hypocrites while interacting with you.

Anyone here learning Latin?

>>79039905
Now what kind of traction would that have had?
They should have either been good neighbors and learned Arabic (it's a great language!), which quite a good number of Jews did indeed speak, or better yet, just not colonized anyone in the first place.

>>79040010
Naw, Israelis are just gung-ho murderers in a gung-ho murderer culture. Leave the most influential piece of world literature ever written out of this.

>>79040240
>disregard what they preach, they dindu nothin'
Well now I know why they chose your nation to enslave into a workers caste to suit their needs. Your ancestors would be proud.

>>78968112
Tagalog

>>79040299
>>>/pol/

>>79040158
Yeah, I am. It's not as difficult as I thought, but it isn't as interesting or exciting as I thought either.

Ego eam disco. Non est tam difficile ut primum duxi, sed animum admiratione suspensum non tenet neque mea refert, ut primum etiam putavi.

>>79040450
but that's not even sino-tibetan.

>>79037224
>the elision of 3ayn and loss of emphatic consonants
Proof that Ashkenazim are real Jews and not Khazars

>>79041083
Man, language changes happen all over all the time for all different reasons. I really don't care who's a khazar or not. Just don't fall into stupid pseudoscientific/pseudohistorical shit.

>>79041083
To clarify: the point was that "pure Hebrew" is a futile pursuit, because there's never been a recorded time when it hasn't been decried as having been corrupted. The fact that similar sound changes to the ones we know to have taken place among Ashkenazim are attested to from way back is a funny coincidence but could just be a coincidence. The point is that language is always changing and can never be frozen nor exist in a vacuum (those oh-so-pure precious Yemenis pronounced Gimmel as the Arabic Djimm, you know), which is why the nightmarish debates over the "authenticity" of Hebrew pronunciation are so funny (the morphology is definitely all the way europeanized though.)
Anyway, Hebrew is a very ugly language for a very ugly nation. It's good for one book.

>>79041522
But that's just the authors' style that's difficult, not so much the language itself. Eutropius, Curtius Rufus and Cornelius Nepos aren't hard to read, while Cicero and his long-ass complex sentences would be hard to read in English or Spanish too.

Here's my attempt at rendering Cicero's first sentence of De Oratore in Spanish, if anybody needs an example.
>Poniéndome a pensar yo a menudo reviviendo memorias viejas, reparé, Quinto hermano mío, en que muy afortunados suelen verse los que en lo mejor de la república, al crecer en honores y en la gloria de sus actos, pudieron sostener el curso de su vida, de manera que pudieran disfrutar de los negocios sin peligro o del ocio con dignidad, y así pensé que sería justo y razonable a todos que me viniera la idea de iniciar un descanso y de regresar a los honorables estudios de nosotros dos, si mi labor en las cosas del foro se volviera sin fin y si mi ocupación en la ambición [por puestos más altos] fuera hacia abajo como carro de guerra, incluso en edad avanzada.

>>79041557
>>79041381
t. Moshe Buzaglo
Ashkenazim are the real Jews and Mizarhim are just berber converts

>>79036855
Jewish doesn't sound like Arabic too me. I think it sounds nice in songs, but not too appealing in your link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSTOcyevIOE

>>79042318
>You want the language to actually challenge you. I just care about what can I do with it.
I wasn't looking for a challenge, but wanted to have a peek at an ancient weird culture, and maybe write something in Latin because it seemed cool. I didn't think it'd be a challenge, in fact I didn't even know people often think it's difficult.

Of course, then I found that all the famous classical authors wrote in a difficult style on purpose, and that the Latin language itself wasn't as cool as in the beginning but actually a little bit boring.

It was a bit of a disappointment, but I still study it.

i don't need to learn any fucking languages, I already know all of em. go ahead, name a language, i'll prove it.

>>79042460
sanskrit

>>79042437
I don't know.

I thought cases and declensions and phrases with participles in Latin were fun at the beginning, but eventually I got used to them.

I feel everything in languages gets old quickly after studying them for a while. Maybe I just like novelty.

>>79042470
skritch skrarch bindi boolu laa laa
>>79042480
kooble wa kimini fi fo falaa falafaa foo fighters fing

>>79042561
i have a feeling you might have been lying.

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>182 terms to review

How do I translate all of these sentences to Spanish:
I sniffed their crotches; I sniffed her crotch; I sniffed his crotch; I sniffed your (usted) crotches.

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>460 cards due

Ich habe eine Frage an deutsch sprechende Menschen:
Wenn ist es "in" und wenn ist es "im"?

>>79051629
im = in dem

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>

Why are the Argetinian's posts gone

>>79053333
He's probably sleeping, working or he just woke up it's like 10AM there

>>79053333
I got banned for 3 days for posting feet photos in a general lol. Anyway, I was telling you how I think so to and you seem to be looking for something that maybe just isn't there.

I need your answer to this >>79048282

>>79053711
Nazi mods. SAD
>looking for something that maybe just isn't there
No soy that anon, I was just curious.

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The Pimsleur Italian from TPB uses lira

>>79048282
>>79053864
>I sniffed their crotches
olfateé sus entrepiernas

>I sniffed her/his/your(usted) crotch
olfateé su entrepierna

If that your wasn't the formal one, you could use tu entrepierna. Otherwise you just keep using su.

No you give me some context on this

>>79053899
it's stupid to ban someone from posting content not related to languages in a general when that's all they are, but who actually cares really

>>79054801
That's, like, so retarded. I'm not sure what to say.

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>>79054910
something similar happens in Italian. You need context to be sure you're talking about either man or a woman.

>I
olfateé mi entrepierna

>you (singular informal)
olfateé tu entrepierna

>you (singular formal)
olfateé su entrepierna

>he/she (no it since everything has a gender)
olfateé su entrepierna

>we
olfateé nuestras entrepiernas

>you (plural informal)
olfateé vuestras entrepiernas (although here in Argentina and many other countries we just use 'sus')

>you (plural formal)
olfateé sus entrepiernas

>they
olfateé sus entrepiernas

Now I can see how this could be confusing or even sound stupid. Maybe it is.

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>>79050496
How long is that going to take? Took me about an hour and a half to do 182. When I go on a trip I'm going to have like 12 hours of fucking cards to review when I get back.

>>79041557
Isn't spoken Hebrew rapidly evolving right now? 50 years later it will be something else still.

>>79029742
There's one Bulgarian who likes Esperanto and that's it.

>>79029742
I like *making* nerd conlanguages, not so much learning others'.

>>79029742
Maybe a year and a half ago we had a good number of people like that. No clue where they all disappeared to.

>>79058747
They have to, it serves the purpose of a secret language the goyim can't understand, the same reason they spoke Yiddish instead of simply speaking German. They have to change it up every once in a while.

>>79061428
died from terminal autism

>>79061599
>They enjoy things I don't therefore they're autistic

>>79061428
they left and formed a toki pona speaking anarcho primitivist commune.

>>78965825
Is it ?

>>79058747
All languages are evolving rapidly all the time, which is why striving for the "pure" form of any of them is hilarious.

>>79061538
Because nobody has ever successfully learned Hebrew, right?
It's one of the easiest languages to learn, in my experience, spoken and written both. Total freebie if you already know Arabic and any western language. Pretty ineffective secret code.

>>79062464
I don't find speaking hard at all, but I do find certain writing conventions absurdly rigid. I personally have a distaste for learning what people think languages are supposed to be rather than what they are, which is why I've let my German become rusty.

>>79062578
Hence why they announce that it's going through (((rapid change))) in the next decades.

>>79062893
>language change is a Jewish conspiracy
Now I've really heard it all. If you're interested in languages, maybe read something on how they actually work.

>>79062893
Just checking: do you really believe it's possible for a language to change faster than you can learn it or fast enough to completely baffle fluent speakers (assuming that they haven't let themselves get rusty)?

I've been learning German, but after my classes stopped I haven't been able to stay on top of it despite really wanting to continue. My teachers were not the best either as I had asked for extra work and they had nothing to help me.

>>79063582
Extensive reading, anon. It's like magic.
If you've got a commute, you could also take the FSI course and run it through Audacity's Compress Silence filter. I've found that doing that leaves just enough time to think a bit and come up with a possible answer before moving on. Perfect for bombarding yourself with a language in free moments.

>>79063122
Read up on the reasons for Hebrew language revival, and also the required secrecy of the sacred texts, which are not to be shared with outsiders of Judaism.
>>79063185
They forcefully changed people's language in order to change the Yiddish and German speakers into Hebrew speakers, and it started out as only a small movement with a few families. So yes, with an organized effort, it is possible to change a language faster than its natural rate of evolution.

My Protestant church is offering free Hebrew classes, but wouldn't it make more sense for Christians to study Greek? As far as I know, over 80% of the Bible was written in Greek.

>>79063759
Thanks for the tip, sadly my school decides a beginning course may teach you basics, but it is difficult ot advance which is sad because I've heard the French classes are amazing.

>>79063814
That's language replacement, not language change. Try as you might, you can't turn Yiddish into Hebrew or English into Cantonese or whatever. That happens all the time during situations of conquest, but it's an unrelated process. Besides, all it really involves is a ton of people learning a language for a socially-motivated reason, which both you and I should know is really no great hassle.
As long as there's another body of literature or any decent book waiting for me, I'm avoiding /pol/shit. Life's too short.

>>79063976
The New Testament was written in Greek; the Old Testament is almost entirely Hebrew with some Aramaic. As an adherent of no Abrahamic religion, I find the Old Testament more interesting and more consequential as world literature. If it's a religiously motivated decision, I can't help you. However, I will say that Hebrew will make Arabic quite easy, and vice-versa, and that's absolutely a beautiful language and a poetic tradition worth knowing.

>>79064078
Hebrew language was recreated and being built at the same time it was being implemented, so it had rapid changes imposed by administrative bodies while people were already using it in the early 20th century. Hebrew in 1895 in very different from Hebrew in 1930, and the changes were mostly non-organic.

>>79064293
>t. "I've read a lot about Hebrew but know nothing about it or ant semitic language because I can put in the lifetime commitment of being a /pol/tard but not the maybe-3-months it takes to learn to competently read a semitic language"
Every stage of Hebrew is mutually intelligible. The biggest differences are in the adoption of certain specialized vocabulary (which many languages outside of Europe, if not most, had to go through) and changes that mostly came from the fact that the majority of people learning the new language were Europeans and spoke European languages, which influenced the new one.
Language revival is a novel model, but nothing involved in it fell from the sky and no part of it violated the natural way that capital-L Language works. Please think scientifically.

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Spanish question:
>El avión sale el lunes de la mañana
>El avión sale el lunes por la mañana
Which one is correct for "the airplane leaves monday morning"?

>>79064599
I'm a history major, I don't see why knowing a lot about Jewish history makes one an antisemite or a /pol/tard, maybe you simply get triggered too easily.
Also, I don't think you know the difference between a language evolving naturally through centuries versus a language evolving artificially through a few decades. Some people already spoke Hebrew in the late 19th century, and that version of the language changed in the following decades. I'm not talking about the people from Europe who were new learners of Hebrew.

>>79064859
Do you understand any hebrew at all? No two eras of hebrew are mutually unintelligible and the changes were all fairly trivial, and none of them unparalleled either within the classical Hebrew corpus or other Semitic languages. I don't know why historians are so obsessed with depicting language as something that falls from the sky and somehow acts as the extension of some invisible national will. Scientific thinking is important.

>>79065034
Having a lot of changes in a language doesn't imply that they become mutually unintelligible, I don't know where you got that idea. History of language is important especially in the case of Hebrew because it's a revived language which lacked standardization and implementation of modern vocabulary. It did sort of fall from the sky since the spoken version of the language didn't exist for such a long time.

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>>79064836
Also is "The movie starts at 7"..
>La película comienza en la siete
>La película comienza a las siete
?

>>79065265
Okay, so then how the fuck does your "new language as a conspiratorial secret code" shit hold any weight at all?
And socially motivated language replacement happens all the time. Look at any immigrant communities where you live and you'll see it happening right now. To do so with a dead language is probably unprecedented, but it doesn't really upend any sociolinguistic models.

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>>78977697
>not mein kampf
You had ONE fucking job

>>79065427
It's not conspiratorial, my history of Israel teacher was actually an orthodox Jew and that's what he taught us. Stop being offended for other people, especially when they aren't even offended by this information. Read up on Judaism, it's not of the same nature as Christianity of Buddhism.
I'll agree with you about the socially motivated language bit though, but the reason I put Hebrew in a different category is that most of the changes in the early 20th century were done through administrative language bodies and thus the changes were more rapid than organic changes.

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>>79065637
Is that really worth reading, jokes aside? I'm not the german learning guy, just curious generally speaking.

>>79065740
It's interesting insofar as what is said about it is mostly lies and distortion. For the era, it pretty much holds up and doesn't dip into crazy neo-nazi extremism like most people want it to be to prove a point. Read it if you have interest in post-WWI political, social and economic history.

>>79064836
Between those two the correct one is:
>El avión sale el lunes por la mañana

The first one could be correct if a specific time of the morning were given, like for example:
>El avión sale el lunes a las 9 de la mañana

>>79065422
Correct one:
>La película comienza a las siete
The other one "La película comienza en la siete" literally means something like "The movie starts on channel 7"

>>79066006
Thanks Spen! Really appreciate it.

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>>78960769
I add big chunks every now and then. It's harder on my short term memory, but I have more control over how many cards I review per day. Generally, I won't add any new cards until I'm happy with the current number of cards per day.

Today I was at about 30 cards/day for the rest of the month, so I learned 50 new verbs.

>>79066262
I really need to get my cards per day now, it's getting too much. I guess I'll stop adding cards for a bit, just worried since it is kind of tied into my other learning (like Pimsleur).

>>79065957
Thanks

>>79064836
el lunes por la mañana

"de la mañana" is used after a specific time: "a las tres y diez de la mañana" = 'at 3:10 in the morning'

>>79065422
a las siete

Hours always use "a" when used directly. A las siete, a las tres en punto, a la una de la tarde, a las cuatro y media, a las ocho y cuarto, a las nueve menos veinte...

Note: alrededor de is not followed by a. "Alrededor de las tres de la tarde" 'around 3 o'clock in the afternoon'

>>79066006
>>79066092
>la pelicula comienza en la siete

I think clarifying this one can be insightful. 'En la siete' would only be ok if you're referring to a feminine noun, like 'la sala siete' (sala meaning room) for example. That's why Rodrigo told you 'something like'.
If you're taking about a channel you say 'el canal', masculine, hence 'la pelicula comienza en el siete'.

>>79066385
Thank you very much.

>>79066664
Time is always feminine, right? La película comienza a la una/a las dos/a las siete/a las doce

>>79066878
Yes, although the concept of time is 'el tiempo'. You also use tiempo to talk about weather as 'el tiempo meteorologico', not to be confused with 'clima', which means climate.

>>79067284
Gracias

>>79066664
In Spain we always say the feminine form when referring to channels like in:
> En la uno / en la cinco /en la siete... etc.

I guess that it's because here we refere to "cadena" (f) instead of "canal" (m) like you do.

>>79067378
De nada amigo

>>79067413
Didn't think about that but you're right. It's the difference between la cadena and el canal

>>78978265
I use English, Hindi and Bengali interchangeably for almost all of my daily activities.

Ever since I started learning Swedish it's being showing up in my dreams and thoughts when I'm awake, but I can't use it normally for obvious reasons.

quick someone make a new thread