/lang/ - Language Learning

>>78494387
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

>>78494412
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

>>78494448
LANGUAGE-SPECIFIC IMAGE GUIDES/WALKTHROUGHS:

>Arabic
https://i.imgur.com/GaPEIBr.png

>Farsi
https://i.imgur.com/zAN5eMU.png

>Finnish
https://i.imgur.com/thYqRE9.png

>French
https://i.imgur.com/UpCEFWl.png

>German
https://i.imgur.com/ZTrFFlB.png
https://i.imgur.com/CzpgmUP.png

>Japanese
https://i.imgur.com/Ur8PzMZ.png
https://i.imgur.com/InA8n4n.png

>Mandarin (traditional characters)
https://i.imgur.com/mNvOu9i.png

>Russian
https://i.imgur.com/zhwCKlo.png

>Spanish
https://i.imgur.com/AKboS8t.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IQW5sKT.png

>Swedish
https://i.imgur.com/zjjjxct.png

>Turkish
https://i.imgur.com/IgPQdj8.jpg

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>someone messaged me in farsi after I posted "good afternoon"
I am not prepared for this lads. Good afternoon is one of the only phrases I know

>>78495583
Where did you post "good morning"?

Anyway, you can always try explaining in broken Farsi that you just started learning and don't know much yet. Either way, it's not like it's a bad thing for someone to be communicating with you in such a fashion.

>>78495650
There's a weekly thread on r/languagelearning where people just post whatever they want in their target language. Yeah I know it's not a bad thing for them to answer in farsi but I'm a bit overwhelmed.

>>78495583
Don't talk to Africans.

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>>78495744
lel

>>78495583
>Good afternon, how are you? [Distant friend?] I want to learn Farsi. I'm from south Africa, but live in the Netherlands. I'm a student at the "Saxion" school. How about you?

>>78496356
Was that you? I was able to figure it out and sent a reply.

>>78496454
Nope, just translated what I could in case you didn't figure it out.

>>78496505
There are 2 Dutch people learning Farsi? Wew

>>78496548
Well, techincally he's not dutch but south-african :^)

Is Russian worth learning? Which non-European language makes the most sense?

>>78497686
Russian's generally worth it for either their classic (and some modern) literature or various technical literature. Or if you want to talk with Russians, though I don't know why you would want that. You could probably use it to get around in the various post-Soviet countries too, though there's a moderate chance that they'll dislike/beat you up in some places.

>>78497686
Makes the most sense how. As in easy to learn? Practical use? Then again, practical use is an imprecise term too. It depends on what you want really.

>>78497783
>>78497789
not really interested in literature or culture, practical use like business-wise, or by which countries will be more relevant in the next decades

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I want to learn norsk, but I'm getting discouragement from people saying it's worthless since most Scandinavians can easily learn fluent English.

>>78498551
If you really want to, just go for it.

>>78498551
People will always speak English if you go to a big city. That doesn't mean shit. Learn the language anyway.

>>78494387
>start in 2010 learning Russian
>devote very little time to this, maybe less than 24 hours total
>already mastered alphabet and accent, but not fully fluent
I've decided to try doing an hour of aloud reading practice every day again. Is that enough to finish on time for 2018-2019, when I have to move to Russia?

>>78500660
It wouldn't be a bad idea to start Duolingo or something else for grammar tips and vocab.

>>78497686
>russian
>non european
i think you got something wrong
also why are you looking for a noneuro language?if you intent to travel just go for skandi nations and the dutch since their languages are close to our.

>>78500660
I recomend devoting a little more time to practice.
I startet like 3 weeks ago and have the about the same progress but the vocabulary is very extensive and another year until you have to move sounds like a lot of time but time flies.

Does anyone know some good sites to get books in less common languages in Europe? (ie languages that aren't the book's original language or the language/language of your country/english)

are there any anki deck makers? the natural ui is shitty. i need audio, examples, etc.

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Going to try a Spanish movie right now. Probably too early to try one and understand much of anything but I'm tired today and hope it will just give me a feeling for the language. Plus /tv/ said it was a good movie and I've been collecting Spanish movies in my Plex for when I get better

>>78509400
looks interesting, i might watch it later today. are you watching with spanish or english subs?

>>78509942
English. I've only been trying to learn for a month. So far 99% goes over my head but I'm catching words and phrases here and there.

Good movie so far though.

How much Korean vocabulary is recognizably Mandarin? (e.g. 빙산/冰山)

>>78508003
What do you want to know?

>>78509400
That's an argentinian movie, so their accent may sound pretty strange to what you're used to.

>>78510900
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Korean_vocabulary
>Sino-Korean words today make up about 60% of the Korean vocabulary,[1] though in actual speech (especially informally) native words are vastly more common.[2]
though that's just from chinese in general it looks.

>>78511006
>That's an argentinian movie, so their accent may sound pretty strange to what you're used to.
[shhhh intensifies]

>>78498036
>more relevant in the next decades

Learning Russian is pointless then.

>>78511006
Thanks. Yeah far too advanced for me to understand. Another few months I'll try some parts again and see if I understand more.

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>>78494448
I want to make a polyglotclub account
What should my username be

>>78515463
monogolt4lyfe

>>78515483
But i am semi biglot

>>78515611
Biglots over the language barrier racing

Ok I've figured out the best way to type russian on mac.

On your second screen open texteditor and set the keyboard to russian. Now when you answer on screen 1 it is in English, when you want Russian type into screen 2 and copy it over.

>>78498551
Learning Norwegian means you can consume their media without subtitles too.

>>78511167
That's for Chinese in general. Not all of it is recognizably Mandarin due to sound changes. 여자 (yeoja) is not phonetically recognizable as Mandarin 女子 (nǚzǐ). Who cares though? Such an odd question.

>>78519813
do Bulg*rians learn Russian in school?

>>78519830
It's optional, in grade 5 you can choose Russian, German, and some other languages (I think French and Spanish?) and study them for 3 years, but usually people choose either Russian, because it's easy, or German. Then in grade 9, you can choose one of those languages again and study it for another 4 years.

>>78519884
what did you pick?

>>78519912
Russian in grade 5, Spanish in grade 9. Ended up learning Russian rather well back then, but now I can just read and understand it since I didn't have any uses for it and forgot all the autismal grammar. Didn't learn when it comes to Spanish since we had only 2 classes a week and the teacher was pretty bad.

>>78519968
>implying Bulgarian verbs aren't the definition of autism

>>78520134
They're pretty simple, really. I mean, Russian isn't much different in that exact regard, but then you have the fucking cases and shit.

How many Persian learners do we have here?

We should form some kind of group where we can chat outside of 4chan.

>>78520408
I've been interested but haven't started at all

>>78520452
Getting started is the hardest part. Once you learn the really simple grammar, it's as easy as learning a handful of new vocabulary every day.

Seriously, as a Spanish speaker you should have no problems transitioning to Persian grammar.

>>78509400
>>78509942
Amazing movie, but yeah I agree with the argentine, they have a different dialect. Yo (Djo) -> Yo (Sho) for example

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>>78521050
Yeah, I'll have to watch it again in six months or so and gauge my progress. I'm collecting a bunch of Spanish movies for that.

>>78509400
>>78522313
I recommend:
Nueve reinas
Relatos salvajes
La isla mínima
Blancanieves (silent movie)
The skin I live in

>>78522359
Thank you. I'll snatch those now!

>>78522398
There's also a Spanish movie I saw recently, called Cannibal/Canibal. It's incredibly slow and boring, but since it has little dialogue it may be something nice to watch as a beginner. It also shows a different side of Spain I think.

Just don't expect something exciting.

The other ones I listed are quite enjoyable.

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>>78522359
>Blancanieves (silent movie)
>(silent movie)

>>78522608
What?

>>78522484
Thank you, grabbed this one also.

>>78522665
A silent movie might not help language very much.

>>78520408
I'm down, a telegram group would probably be the best option.

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>>78522997
Learning the language may not be the only reason you watch a movie

>>78509400
>>78523702
>Going to try a Spanish movie right now. Probably too early to try one and understand much of anything but I'm tired today and hope it will just give me a feeling for the language.
He literly said hes doing it for language lol

>>78524200
He also mentioned /tv/ so I supposed he likes movies, what's the harm in recommending something when I'm explicitly warning that it's silent so he can avoid it if he's not interested.
Jesus christ.

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>>78524200
>>78524339
Original movie watching anon here. I appreciate the suggestions and grabbed them all. I did chuckle a bit with the silent movie rec but yeah, I like movies so no harm sliding one not for language in there.

HOW THE FUCK AM I SUPPOSED TO PRACTICE LISTENING IF IM HOH

hey look what i found
http://www.movehub.com/sites/default/files/main_images/second-languages-map-1350px.jpg
>2014

Icelandic bc even English doesn't have special fancy letters for voiced and unvoiced th. also it's white and Norse as fuck

>>78527417
What did he mean by this

>>78528644
im hard of hearing

>>78528807
How bad is it? What kind of things can you listen to normally?

>>78528033
I don't know why English dropped those two letters, they suited perfectly.

>>78529033
Printing press.

>>78528973
well when speaking face to face I often get muddled up on the other persons words so I have to ask them to repeat themselves frequently, it gets worse if theres background noise or multiple people talking. For movies and tv shows I pretty much require subtitles otherwise I focus too hard on trying to follow the words and lose track of the plot. These are multiplied tenfold in a foreign language

>>78529091
Hm that is kind of tough. You could try to find some language learning programs that focus on talking/listening without giving the exercises too much of a 'plot'. Do you have a hearing aid and does it help at all?

Try sign language

>>78529229
I dont have a hearing aid because the problems not really in my ears, its in my brain and it just affects my speech processing, I'll try and track down something like youve suggested though thanks
>>78529503
online Australian sign language resources are hard enough to find, let alone german or japanese sign language

>>78529705
Man that sucks, best of luck to you.

>>78529893
thanks man

getting into the habit of procrastinating again
not good

>>78527690
neat. pretty fun chart

Do you guys split your study decks? Like into grammar and vocab or maybe as you get more advanced stop studying the really early stuff and only do intermediate and advanced?

>>78531555
Yeah I thought I'd have been more productive this weekend. Doing fairly well today, yesterday wasn't so good. Quitting caffeine probably didn't help.

>>78532488
I have a conjugation deck where I write down with a pen the correct conjugation of the verb shown. Then I have a regular 5k word vocab deck i'm working through.

>>78532674
Thanks.

If all goes to plan I will be moving to Poland or Ukraine in within couple of years. I probably won't know which one for at least a year yet but I want to get a head start on learning one of the languages now.

I know that they share a lot of similarities so learning one will be useful even if I decide to move to the other country. Which one should I dive into?

Weird and probably difficult to answer question, apologies. Ignore the flag, I'm English.

>>78532908
Tbh the difficulty of the languages are fairly similar, Polish has many more resources though. As an English person for the time being it's still easier to move to Poland because of the EU but Poland is a little more expensive than Ukraine but for the most part both will give you a good bang for your buck.
Do you have any concrete questions?
t. speak Polish and learned Ukrainian a bit

>>78532908
Polish and Ukrainian aren't that similar. Also the two countries kinda hate each other, so it won't be that easy to get by with Polish in Ukraine and the other way around, though Poland does have a lot of Ukrainians since the 2014 conflict.

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>>78532908
Many ukrainians speak polish while few poles speak ukrainian, more resources, less of a shithole, easier to emigrate to

I'd go for polish, but I might be biased.
>>78533199
Seems to me like only eastern poland hates khokhols, the rest of poland and majority of ukraine seems indifferent. Went there a couple of times and had no trouble getting by with polish only, but then again it was pretty close to the border.

>>78532488
I have a notebook where I write down grammar notes in one half and phrases in another. Then I have flash cards with vocab on them.

>>78533577
Wasnt many Ukrainian territory Polish in the past anyway? Pre ww2

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>>78533680

>>78533636
Thanks. Yeah my physical notecard collection is pretty large now in addition to the digital one.

>>78498551
I've studied a decent bit of Norwegian on Duolingo. I don't know enough for it to be useful but it's a pretty easy one as a native English speaker. You should go for it.

>>78533768
I vastly prefer physical to digital because actually writing things down helps me retain the information a lot better than just reading it.

>>78533845
I agree. Plus it's nice to get off the computer now and again. I mean, I love computers but fuck everything is on them now.

What's everyone experience with pen pals and the like? Worthwhile?

>>78533183
>>78533199
>>78533577
Much appreciated. I lean more towards Ukraine simply because land is a lot cheaper - I'm a web developer so I don't really need to worry about wages too much.

I guess another way of framing the question would be - would it be easier to learn Ukrainian having learned Polish or vice versa? It's probably an impossible question to answer so thanks for trying

>>78536460
Don't do it. The communications becoming tiring and chore-like. Find one serving friend ways to practice.

>>78536460
I can't speak for others but I'm confident that having a penpal would be a disaster for me. I'm simply not normie enough to handle that level of intimate communication.

The only way I think it could maybe work would be if it were via snail mail, once a month or something like that. Even then though, after a few months conversation would probably run very dry.

>>78538587
I genuinely doubt that's true, even abnormies have some normie interest. Surely you'd find *something* to talk about?

>>78539349
>Surely you'd find *something* to talk about?
My main hobbies are chess and birding, which aren't all too common (not to mention that there isn't really all that much to discuss, let alone in a foreign language).

I do sometimes partake in more normie activities, such as hiking and some vidya, but those are more solitary activities (since I only play single player games), hard to really talk about those all that much. Though I suppose hiking wouldn't be that bad a conversation subject if the other person does hiking as well.

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>>78539349
Every once in a while some anon will want to connect on discord and I'll talk for a while but after that I'm just out of gas and don't know what to say or I say the wrong thing and they go quiet. I knew I shouldn't have showed that last """"""fembot"""""" my pepe pillow.

In Turkish, why do you use the ablative case when saying "I hate you"?
Senden nefret ediyorum. Is hate the wrong translation? Would it be better to say "I am repulsed by (from) you"?

>>78500660
>>78516375
join us, guys
https://t.me/joinchat/Cml9VEIduDBD2RxSlVTVHA

I would like to learn german, but I need a textbook because I have tried so many times before and I cannot find a good book for my lessons.

Currently studying Polish, I've been looking around studying polish for like 8 years but I started a course a year and a half ago, in the "Polish Institute". I'm of Polish-Jewish descent and my grandparents spoke Polish mostly, more than Hebrew so I feel it's natural.

I'm on an hiatus from the Polish courses currently and I will hopefully start again on October, but I've been looking into reading and listening Polish everywhere pretty much. I am still looking for Polish speakers to help me talk more, because I don't do that much, also talking about maymays in Polish would be nice.

>>78542262
wtf, I feel identified with the second guy, but I have never visited countries of my target languages, I don't know chinese either.

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>>78543562

I feel the inspiration to learn spanish and a very strong desire to do so but it's so hard to start and keep with it even like 45 mins a day

How do I stop being a shitter

>>78546025
Get a cleaner and ask them to teach you.

Mexicans will do anything for a few pesos, they're like gypsies but even more stupid.

>>78546084
I don't have fucking money

>>78546114
Just kidnap one.

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So why are you guys coming to these threads?
I personally like the false sense of unity I have with other language learners

Also I wasted learning time and edited pic related I'm sorry

>>78546358
lel nice

though the
>each time a language dies his hands become more twisted
did give me sad feels

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>>78546358
It's comfy for one thing. It gives me some reinforcement, tips, and even direct help since what I'm learning is a common one.

I like finding these little niches on 4chan. I'm a regular on >>>/fa/thinspo which got me thin, used to be pretty heavy into >>>/g/ptg which got me onto all the best private trackers, and now I'm here on /lang/ learning a new language. I don't /r9k/ much anymore, but there used to be self improvement threads on there before maybe 2014-15 and I liked those a lot. I enjoy the more motivating and positive threads on 4chan now.

>>78546358
Motivation is hard to find, especially for Language Learning. I find being around others who are also studying languages very motivating.

>>78546358
It's a nice place to ask questions and get help. There are a few Turks here who answer most of my questions and have been pretty helpful overall. Plus its fun to watch Marianon suffer.

>>78537153
It would be easier but they're still fairly different languages, one being eastern slavonic and the other western. The thing that makes learning the other easier than learning from scratch is that you'd know what cases are and how they work which are the backbone to slavonic grammar. When it comes to vocab, some of it is similar especially basic vocab but you're not going to be able to have convos if one person speaks ukie and the other polish.

Le fil est mort.
Vive le fil.

>>78540309
Good question, "-den/-dan" has lots of uses in Turkish and in the example you gave it's meant to give the meaning "from you" like you said there.If you translated the sentence with "nefret"(hate) in mind you would say "I hate you" rather than "I'm repulsed by(from) you".While they have similar meanings in these examples "repulse" is not the same (or as strong) as "hate".If you want to use "repulse" in a similar way the Turkish translation would be "itici gelmek"

Sen itici davranıyorsun.(or just simply "İtici davranıyorsun.") ----> You are acting repulsive.

http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_56943

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Back to work today, back to my Pimsleur lessons.

>>78555065
>implying you are not going to come back here to procrastinate
Go back to studying.

>>78555296
Just finished the lesson on the bus. I learned some jewish lingo.
>mishe pul behem qarz bedid?
>can you lend me (some) money

>>78546358
A sense of community. I like reading about others' progress.

>>78548010
Self improvement general is on /fit/

>no desire to learn for even 30 minutes but spend hours on 4chan, reddit and masturbating

>>78557129
save me from procrastinating hell please

https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/6uzm0y/field_report_two_months_of_full_mandarin/

This is how social people learn and be succesful

How to pick a meme language.

Step 1. Copy the language list at https://forvo.com/languages-codes/

Step 2. Paste list at https://www.random.org/lists/ hit enter.

lez Lezgian Лeзги
bph Botlikh Бoтлих
rom Romani Romani chib
alq Algonquin Anicinàbemowin
hi Hindi हिन्दी

Step 3. Change your mind because that is too meme and hit F5 until you get a better language.

how easy would it be to learn yiddish after learning german? And how many resources are there for it

bamp

>>78557001
Thanks, I thought they deleted those for off topic. I guess they are allowing it now. I'll check it out, thank you.

What are the languages you are currently learning?

I am learning
>Portuguese
>Persian
>Papiamentu
>Twents

>>78563248
Just Spanish.

How the fuck do you learn four at once? I'm questionably capable of learning one.

>>78563248
>Twents
>language
It's a dialect at best

>>78563248
>German
>Spanish

I'm pretty much taking a break from Spanish for the time being though and focusing on German.

>>78563517
Twents is a dialect of Low Saxon, which is the descendant of Old Saxon, the language of the Heliand, a book that is older than any Low Frankish/Dutch writings. Middle Saxon was the language of the Hanseatic league dominating an area from the Netherlands to Saint Petersburg and influencing the vocabularies of all the languages spoken in between.

>>78563496
No offence but you are an american.

>>78494387
Can gooks confirm?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TE4eplsFSms

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>>78563988
Bit rude desu.

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>>78564025
Not a gook but I learned Korean in the past.
Confirm what exactly?
Hangul is piss easy to learn.

>>78564025
korean is piss easy - get it done in like 30 mins max

>>78564130
Sorry, but it is the harsh truth..

>>78564245
>>78564182
Wanted to work my way through Asian languages since they interest me a lot.
Korean being the easiest.

I just wanted to know if the video is a meme or not.

>>78564304
Indonesian/Malay is way easier tho.
Vid is not a meme, just some creative way of teaching.

>>78564257
What's the hard truth? That Americans know less languages than places such as the Netherlands? Yes, that's correct, because we don't need to know as many, and also have to travel great distances to practice anything other than maybe Spanish (depending where you live).

As far as being less capable of learning new language when motivated, not sure that's accurate.

>>78565205
Stop embarrassing yourself.

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>>78565205
>anon complements you on your multi-tasked language learning
>gets told is stupid in return and guy goes into some tirade about how americans are selfish pieces of crap

>>78563248
German and Russian.

Focusing on German right now though, to prep in case I go back to college and take German classes next semester. Trying to get to non-retard pepe levels.

>>78563248
Türkçe.
>>78554651
Teşekkür ederim!
That link seems helpful, I'm going to copy it all down in my notebook later today.

Also as soon as I switch my phone keyboard to Turkish erdoğan pops up as a suggested word. Scary stuff.

>>78566200
Don't listen to him anon. Learning four languages at once is a gargantuan task, he was just being rude.

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Why so much peeps here want to learn Russian?

>>78558599
Fun idea

I redid it until I finally got at least one non-meme language in the top 5:

ind Indonesian Bahasa Indonesia
gd Scottish Gaelic Gàidhlig
mk Macedonian Maкeдoнcки
br Breton Brezhoneg
wo Wolof Wolof

>>78567067
I'm not learning Russian myself (it's in my long-term goals though), but reasons might include:

>the language in general sounds relatively nice
>it has a lot of speakers, most of whom don't speak any English
>it has a very strong internet presence
>Russia is relatively poor, but not extremely so (for example, it's wealthier than China), so it doesn't scare people away as much
>it has some of the best litterature in the world (Tolstoy, Dostoyevsky and Pushkin come to mind)
>it has some good music (e.g. Viktor Tsoi)
>it's somewhat exotic (especially with its use of cyrillic), but still not too distant (after all, it's still an Indo-European language, specifically a European one)
>Russia is considered by some a "mysterious place" because of how they're always portrayed negatively in the media, so people might be curious about what Russia really is like (which requires being able to speak their language)

>>78494387
I feel like if I spent 30 minutes every day on a language, I'd be fluent in less than a year, 6.5 years seems unreasonable for category 1

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>>78568479
C2 level in a year with 30 minutes a day is ridiculous. Just look at that
>Listening is no problem even when delivered at fast native speed
>Can read with easy any text in the language, as long as it's not extremely field-specific (ie you're not expected to understand a physics paper if you don't have a physics background, but manuals, regular textbooks, the "great literature" is no problem)
>effortless conversation with familiarity of idiomatic expressions and colloquialisms
>fluent expression, finer shades of meaning, backtracking in such a way that it doesn't show you made a misstake/didn't get something

A year of studying, 30 minutes a day, you're really overestimating yourself, unless you're some kind of genius who has a knack for languages and can remember shit forever when studying it shortly once.

Anyone else in the path of the eclipse? Who else is planning to perform a pagan ritual during the peak of the eclipse to obtain fluency in their target language?

>>78555558
>only some

Hey /lang/, for those of you who have used Pimsleur, how good is it?

I have been using it for a week and like how it gets me to practice speaking German out loud, and I can understand the conversations without translating in my head. I took some German in high school and have been dabbling in Duolingo here and there afterwards but I want to take my German to the next level, I currently have very poor German skills

>>78567067
what the leaf said and also:
>it's one of the world's major languages
>qts

>>78568951
Is that you reza

>>78567067
besides what the other leaf and the German guy above me said, for me there's also the fact that there's a TON of technical literature pirated on the Internet. libgen is a Russian project, let us not forget

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>>78569728
no
im the vladposter

>>78569522
I'm using Pimsleur for spanish and I like it a lot.

>>78567067
I'm going to start learning Russian after I learn Spanish. My largest reason why is for the literature.

>>78569522
I'm using it for Spanish. I like it for the most part, some lessons are harder than others. I use it in combination with Michel Thomas and Duolingo.

>>78574698
How's it going? What lesson are you on? I just started Spanish II Unit 1, completed Spanish I this weekend.

>>78574698
>>78574923
Did you guys buy it or pirate it?

>>78574959
What do you think

>>78575018
Some people purchase, I was just curious.

>>78494387
신촌에 사는 사람?

나 2주전에 한국에 들어왔는데 친구 많이 없어서 심심하더라

한잔이나 하자

>>78574959
torrented lmao why would I spend hundreds of dollars on something I can get for free?

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>>78574959
I pirated it, naturally.

>>78574923
I'm on Span 2 Unit 13, I like that it ingrains certain responses to the point where it feels natural/right.

>>78574959
Pirate

>>78576503
Yeah, I like that as well. It can be a bit boring. I've been doing it while walking or driving to work and that's more enjoyable, but at home if I'm just sitting on the couch it can make me drowsy. I'm averaging progression every other day because I often need to repeat the lesson a few times to really get it. That might just be my own personal retardation though and not the fault of the teaching. I also make flashcards for it pretty often.

I'm excited to get to Spanish 3 because I read it covers a lot of business Spanish.

How long do you think it will take to get through all 5 for you?

Michel Thomas is nice also, I've been kinda filling in the blanks with that at night.

>>78576853
I tried Michel Thomas, the german one, and I couldn't listen to it. You here the spit in his mouth swoosh and every breathe and he doesn't correct the students when they use the wrong word order or pronounce something wrong. Besides that it was good but those things just sorta ruined it for me so I just use Pimsleur and Learn German with Ania.

>>78577014
hear* breath*
I forgot how to English

>>78577014
kek, yeah. The Spanish one is pretty good. He certainly seems to correct everything. I think the quality varies depending on language.

I like the explanations, which is what Pimsleur lacks. And since it can be done without any additional studying, just listening is all it takes, it's good for a supplement.

Pimsleur also pushes you more. I think more ground is covered, it takes more concentration, more effort. I think these things are all supposed to be used in a vacuum with no other tools, but I can't see that working with any of them with any reasonable speed.

I should be done with Duolingo's Russian tree in a month at most, and I'm also nearing the end of my textbook. One thing which I've found out I really need to practice is my listening skills, I found a few good videos I wanted to share:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYYMCjXg8b4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYBbR8n753o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDYqQQJGpmI

Apart from that, Amazing Russian posted a 3-part series on intonation which I also found interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpwDqK5d304

>>78577287
I do two Pimsleur lessons a day, I'm on Spanish II. What do you guys use for vocab? I tried Lingvist but quit b/c it teaches you Spain Spanish although I only want to learn Spanish with a Mexican dialect. Memrise is good too but I'm still going through the basics I already know. Any advice?

>>78578610
How long did Duolingo take you? How would you rank it overall?

>>78578651
For vocab I started with Lingvist, but I wasn't getting the benefit of the contextual learning since I didn't know enough grammar yet, so I'm saving that for after Duolingo. Vocab building for now is just Duolingo + flashcards/Quizlet and the few from Pimsleur and Michel Thomas. As soon as I complete Duolingo, then I'm going to go back to Lingvist.

I'm also mostly interested in Latin American Spanish but want to learn the Vos. form anyways.

>Memrise is good too but I'm still going through the basics I already know.
I haven't used Memrise, but aren't there pre-done packs or something? Could you use an intermediate pack? It's so annoying going through stuff you know extremely well.

What is your motivation for learning whatever language you're learning?

>>78578835
I guess I haven't explored it well enough, I'll look around some more. Do you make flashcards yourself or?

>>78578835
There are many different packs for whatever level you want on memrise

>>78578660
I think I'm about two months in, so it will have taken three months in total, at ~100xp/day.
Overall... To be honest I think I'd be further ahead if I had ditched it and studied more from my Assimil textbook, but it's fun to use, and the xp+daily goals pushed me to do more. My biggest gripes would be 1) the dreadful pronunciation, and 2) lack of real explanations. As has been said before, it's good as an aid, but probably not as a stand-alone resource

>>78578853
I will be studying it at uni starting next month, and I want to get a head start. As to why I'm doing it in general, well, I like Russian a lot and I want to work as an interpreter.

>>78578853
Like the history/culture, and going there spring next year.

>>78579104
Thanks for the feedback.

>>78580331
Sure thing, what are you using now?

>>78578853
It started because I heard my uni gives out scholarships for it like candy and it's easier than arabic. Now I'm doing it because I like the culture and I'm looking for chadoori gf 2017

>>78542262
Topkek
I'll admit that I'm a loser when learning languages
Can relate to the first guy

>>78580124
You're the Turkish learner? I'm learning Farsi for those same reasons.

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>moving from intermediate to advanced
Please help, I need tips. This plateau is soul crushing.I understand the majority of what I come across but learning has lost the "yeah cool new things hurray!" feeling.

Where are some lithuanian things?
I'd like some sources and help please. I really love how it sounds.

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What's /lang/'s way of learning a """meme""" language if you have learned one? Like that mari poster here
Do I just make do with the little resources I have or what?

>>78582817
Seeing as that the only resource available are limited, yes
Maybe you could read some books on the language, I've noticed that most were written in the mid to somewhat late 1900s and I'm not sure if that affects accuracy.

If you want to learn the meme speak really bad you could track down a native speaker and pay them to teach you

>>78568856
from what that list says, most native speakers are somewhere between c1 and c2

>>78582817
What language do you have in mind?

>Do I just make do with the little resources I have or what?
Pretty much, also you simply have to learn to be resourceful. Remember, search engines can be very powerful tools. Even if your language doesn't have a whole lot of online content, if you can just find a single instance of a certain construction/word you're having trouble with, then it can really help tremendously.

>>78583781
How is your Mari doing?

>>78583781
>language in mind
I'm trying to start learning nakota/stoney due to the fact that my friend is stoney and she doesn't speak her language. I thought i could help her and, plus the language just seems obscure which is what brought me into it.

There's only a couple books that outlines the grammar out a bit in that google drive, but i feel there kinda outdated being written in the 50s

>>78583844
It's weird, I feel like I'm greatly improving, but at the same time I'm always encountering new constructions which befuddle me. From what I can tell so far, Mari is a highly nuanced and highly idiomatic language, which causes me to trip up when I'm trying to understand a random sentence sometimes. However, all in all, I'm satisfied with how I've been progressing so far. Given I still have a ton of material left to cover in my textbook, for now I'm focusing mostly on that, and so I don't worry as much about having being able or not to understand a random newspaper article.

>>78584180
>Native speakers
>3,200 (2011 census)
wew lad, good luck with that

>but i feel there kinda outdated being written in the 50s
Grammar generally doesn't change that much in a few decades, though in the case of that language it could be that it's been simplified/anglified in recent generations. Otherwise, those books shouldn't be too far off.

>>78582817
I want to learn Nahuatl but I'm scared of the limited resources.

>>78584558
Is the textbook Russian?

>>78585384
*written in Russian (Russian > Mari), to clarify

Bit confused at this sentence.
'Ich glaube, ich habe gestern zu viel von diesem Cognac getrunken'

Why is it 'diesem' and not 'diesen' in this scenario? Isn't Cognac the subject of this sentence? I feel like I'm missing something really obvious in this scenario, though that may be because it's half past midnight.

>>78585384
No it's in English, though it would certainly help if I spoke Russian, seeing as I would then be able to use the other textbooks which exist.

Incidentally, it would also help if I spoke Hungarian and German, seeing as there are grammar books published in those languages.

My mom is applying for a job in Lingvist, wish us luck lads

>>78585475
>I feel like I'm missing something really obvious
Von my friend. Von puts things in the dative case.

>>78585595
Ah fuck, I knew it was something obvious. Thanks.

>>78585536
Good luck anon

>>78585536
Neat, good luck! Will she be working on making a new course?

>>78585825
>>78585740
Thanks guys. She would be the head of linguists there if hired.

>>78585914
Based. Do you know what she'd do in that position? Oversee the work the various translators do for the various exercises and such?

How many languages does she speak? Does she have to know the ones lingvist teaches?

>>78586230
Not sure what exactly she'll be doing.
She speaks only Arabic and English (several more if you count Arabic dialects separately, but you shouldn't) but she's trained as a translator/linguist. Lingvist didn't seem that interested in language skills, though.

>>78585507
What languages do you speak?

>>78586348
I'm the head of engineering for a company and I'm probably not the best engineer but when you are the director it's more about having a good idea of what each person does combined with some good management and organizational skills.

>>78585302
Some guy on youtube who's learning it made a google doc on finding resources
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_4SGJh9dZLsmzh0HfqJHWqG_akVZ8JoRD3nkJisXJJQ/edit

>>78582278
I've heard that to go from A2 to B1 is double the time it takes from A1 to A2. And to from B1 to B2 is double the time of A2 to B1. And so on and so on. So you can imagine once you are intermediate to get to that next step is going to be a bunch of time.

fuck conjugations

>>78587806
French - N
English - N
Spanish - B2 (personal estimate)
German - A2

>>78588315
conjugations are cool

>>78588315
Conjugations are ezpz

I'm trying to learn German, and i've been using a textbook that i've found to be not-so-great.

Was Buch oder Bücher sind gut für Deutsch studieren? Plz halp ;_;

>>78588315
Neden uyanıksın? Erken değil mi?

I'm having trouble deciding which irrelevant, backwater, Slavic country's language I want to learn.

>>78587962
Wow thanks!

>>78589555
Is this sarcasm? I didn't mean to make a dumb post, sorry

>>78589612
No, it's not sarcasm lol. I'm looking at the text "Foundation Course in Nahuatl Grammar" it linked to and it seems pretty neat.

>>78591040
This.

There's one woman at the gym who I suspect is Turkish. Should I talk to her?
What if she's not?

>>78594513
Just go to her, take your shirt off, flex your muscles, nod your head, lick your lips, then walk away.

>>78594513
Go for it. What's the worst that could happen, besides a painfully embarassing memory that won't go away for weeks and months

>>78594513
Learning a language may not fix the autism but it will do a tremendous job of hiding it.

what difficulty is indonesian? are there any notable linguistic features i should watch out for?

>>78594881
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=749dhnXdYXQ

When in doubt, visit Pauls channel.

How do you know when to use the ablative case in Latin?

Why isn't "Roma in Italia est" in the ablative?

Sorry if this is a stupid question

>>78595110
If i remember correctly it's used with prepositions. And 'In' is a Preposition so it's in Ablative

>>78595110
For the most part you just remember with which prepositions it is used. Ablative is also used meaningfully on its own (e.g. mea culpa), but that is easy.

damn

>>78596016
What happened? How's the progress going?

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Learn Russian and this could happen to YOU!

>>78599708
why's she getting wet at the mention of a german family fun camp

>>78599742
Because he's speaking Russian

Does anyone have any experience learning Cantonese? I'd like to study it casually alongside my uni stuff

>>78543294
You could just start with Duolingo first...

There used to be an option to switch Duolingo from English letters to Cyrillic letters, but I don't see it anywhere anymore.
Does anyone know what happened to it?

>>78546358
Comming here kinda gives me the motivation to learn myself.Also that meme is shit and i hope it dies soon

How do you learn the Greek alphabet?

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De heck

http://www.eupedia.com/europe/missing_words_french.shtml
How truthful is this?

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>>78564990
>triggerd americans

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I was coming along in Duolingo Spanish pretty well until I got to past tense, they don't really offer any explanation on the app. I'm going to try the web version which I think will have something, but, just surprised they don't offer any guidance in the app version.

>>78594513
How far along are you with the language? Just go for it, there's not a lot that could go wrong. Unless maybe she's Armenian and gets offended

I really want to learn italian because it sounds epic but its no use in the world really.

>>78603039
Become the lead singer in an Italian metal band and share the epic sounds with the world

>>78603039
Italy isn't that far away. Could always just spend some time there on your holidays.

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>nearly 4pm
procrastination is a disease
going to start studying now

>>78598773
>pretending to be a 19 yo girl to get more replies
>a 45 yo dude messages me with a shitton of emojis
creepy

>>78603757
gotta pretend to be a lesbian girl, then you can have girl talk :^)

>>78603757
Do you really get more useful replies by pretending to be a girl? I imagine a lot of it is just creepy guys like the one you're talking about. Creepy guys and white knights don't seem too helpful

>>78604025
I get a shitton of guys messaging me first but then the typical conversation is like this
>hi :))
>hi
>yeah nice to meet you
and then these boring ass faggots expect me to keep the conversation going

>>78604025
I pretend to by a guy just so I don't get unwanted messages :^)

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>>78604103
Hello I am Rashan
want to see dick?

>>78603377
tfw got home from work last night, felt incredibly tired, played Dragon Age Inquisition for a few hours and passed out at 8 pm, waking up at 8:30 AM today. Then I had to go to work.

tfw didn't study at all yesterday.

>>78586348
>(several more if you count Arabic dialects separately, but you shouldn't)
Aren't the arab dialects interesting (linguistically speaking) in that certain ones are not mutually intelligible, and thus would be better off being classified as languages than dialects?

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>>78604103
>>78604201
dj habeb here,,,, u very much want to make sex,,,???? thank u very much,,,,

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I need help. I know my handwriting is shit but can you recognice all the letters I wrote? If not, which ones?

>>78604384
I forgot. I need help from Russian speaker/learner

>>78604384
I did not recognize Ж and Ы at all until I derived their identity from the alphabetic ordering. Not to be mean but if you're over twenty years old you may consider giving up on learning how to write Russian by hand. You probably won't need to read handwriting.

>>78601142
By learning it. Takes 30 minutes, maximum.

>>78605099
Thank you for feedback. Non offense taken. Thing is that was my first try and I did it in rush. I am over 20y old but I wont give up that easily

>>78604384
I'm not a "native" user of cyrillic, so make sure to check with an actual native if you can, but to me your B seems quite weird, and your Ж is recognizable but it's still a bit weird to me. Your Ы is fairly weird as well to my eyes.

As for ф, supposedly the best way to do it in cursive is as if it was "q" and "p" joined together (i.e. they share the same vertical bar).

As far as I know, the little "hook" for Ц and Щ is supposed to be detached from the letter, at least that's the standard way.

All of this being said, I just want to insist that I'm not a native, but rather a learner. I'm just giving this feedback in case no native shows up, I figure it's better than nothing.

>>78605099
I expect that ы is fucked up but I don't really get what is wrong with ж?

>>78605288
Well I did ask for russian learner if no natives shows up and I appreciate your helpfull advises.

>>78605099
>>78605285
I think it's still worth it to learn cursive. Writing stuff yourself by your own hand in a notebook is very helpful for language learning, and writing Cyrillic in print doesn't work nearly as well as writing in cursive.

Also, writing cursive (and reading your own cursive) helps for being able to read italics and different fonts, seeing as some cyrillic letters in italics are like their cursive version rather than their print version (г, и, т, ц)

>>78605375
>I don't really get what is wrong with ж?
It's supposed to be "curved" on the left and on the right.

Basically, a bit like a reverse "c", a vertical bar, and a "c".

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>>78605595
Kek, I am retarded

>>78605523
Is it really that much easier to write cursive rather then printed cyrillic? I was thought it was one of the worst thing about russian(from subjective point of view).

>Pic related is croatian president

>>78605895
>Is it really that much easier to write cursive rather then printed cyrillic? I was thought it was one of the worst thing about russian(from subjective point of view).
Obviously at first it's more difficult. When you're doing it "for real" for the first time (for example, taking notes in your notebook) you'll probably be fairly slow, and sometimes even be forced to write the print version right beside to make sure you understand (because you'll relook at your own handwriting and realize you can't actually read it).

However, if you do it enough, it really doesn't take long to get used to it. I myself have become relatively comfortable writing in cursive. I'm pretty sure I still make some small "mistakes" here and there (especially with how I join some letters together, and the letter н for some reason), but the funny thing is that I'm actually slowly becoming faster at writing cyrillic than latin (because, like most people, I write the Latin alphabet in print, which objectively is a shitty way of writing). And, most importantly, I no longer have any trobule rereading any of my notes (though I still obviously read cyrillic more slowly than I read latin).

>>78606092
I get that but how is the printed version shittier then cursive one. And apparently not only in cirillic but acording to you in latin too. I love printed version of both latin and ciryllic but i don't undesrtand why no one writes in printed cyrillic

Anyone not use pre-made decks because of the poor quality?

>>78607066
Yeah. I make my own as I go. If I find a word I don't know I'll copy it down then check it's translation with Google translate and compare it to an English-Turkish dictionary and copy that down.

>>78607239
Yeah, maybe a hybrid is best of finding a deck and then checking it. I can't believe the amount of shit out there.

>>78607066
I tried looking a few up and they were all shite. My method now is
>words I learn through pimsleur
>words I find I don't know when I'm having a conversation with myself/in my mind and looking those up on wiktionary

>>78607523
Are you the other guy learning Turkish? I know it's someone in the Netherlands. If so how useful are the wiktionary translations? Google translate can be really spotty and I'm just using a random app on my phone for a Turkish/English dictionary so I don't know how credible it is.

>>78607523
I like making flashcards for Pimsleur, but it can be hard to figure out what they say sometimes. I wish there was a transcript available someplace but I haven't had much luck.

>>78607816
transcripts* (I'm learning Spanish, but imagine every other language people would want too)

>>78603377
It really makes you feel like shit doesn't it

>>78603757
Kek

Hey guys wanna see amazing cursive cyrillic?

>>78606911
>I get that but how is the printed version shittier then cursive one.
It's slow, and frankly more difficult to write in print than cursive cyrillic. Even if you use the "alternative" letters for л and д, some letters are simply not meant to be written in print, for example щ.

>And apparently not only in cirillic but acording to you in latin too.
Well, technically it's faster to write in cursive latin rather than print. It's just become socially acceptable to write in print for whatever reason, but in Russia everybody writes in cursive, it's "wrong" to write in print, much in the same way that it was "wrong" to write in printed Latin until half a century ago.

>>78607761
Nah, Farsi

>>78607816
Same, but I get there eventually. Google translate, whislt having patchy translations, is good for spelling too (Did you mean ...)

>>78608051
Do you get through a lesson plus make your flashcards each day? I run out of time generally and have to split it into two.

Lesson, flashcard making, and then lesson again.

>>78608008
posting it anyway
http://www.themorgan.org/collection/literary-and-historical-manuscripts/116614#
zoom on the far right column, and remember it was written by hand

>>78578610
>amazing russian

thank for the the discovery, niceyoutube channel

>>78608274
I can do my lessons on the bus to work, and I write down the new words there. Spellchecking shit can be done when I'm home again.

>>78522359
some more movies in spanish:

una pistola en cada mano
Séptimo
7 cajas
Medianeras
koblic
un conto chino
Diarios de motocicleta
A oeste do fim do mundo
Carancho

>>78609156
Thanks, I'll snatch those.

>>78608619
Pas de problème. (I'm on vacation in Belgium)

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>tfw discovering new vocabulary in your own language thanks to learning a different language

>>78607761
I am.
I don't visit wikipidia to read articles dbh

>>78579104
so join it https://t.me/joinchat/Cml9VEIduDBD2RxSlVTVHA

Spanish question:
Can I help you with something / How can I help you?
>Le Puedo ayudar en algo?
why isn't it
¿Le Puedo ayudar con algo?

Ever since I've started learning Japanese I can't help but feel that mining in Anki is the best method for vocab. This is obviously made painless with rikaisama, and it made me wonder whether there was any way I could make French flashcards with a similar speed?

I guess doing it by hand is fine too, but I want to be as efficient as possible.

>>78611998
Can you explain what you mean? Mining you mean that you are collecting words and putting them on flashcards? What is rikaisama?

What comes to mind is Lingvist, although it is only available for certain languages. It mines words based on how common they are and teaches you them in that order. Once you have the structure of a language down, it mostly comes down to vocabulary and nuance. Vocabulary can be trained with cards, nuance through film and speaking.

>>78609907
studying card decks works so well, I thought maybe after I learn Spanish I might try to increase my English vocabulary too.

>>78613573
I know lingvist, and I've used it before, but if I turned it on right now, it would only teach me words I already knew.

Mining is simply making a flashcard out of a word you encountered "in the wild". With a deck like this, I would only be learning new words, while with a premade deck I'd have to spend several tedious hours deleting everything I already knew.

Rikaisama is a firefox addon. It's basically a mouseover dictionary for Japanese. The best feature is that it can add words to Anki with a single button-press. I wish something like this existed for other languages, since typing up cards manually is something I don't really enjoy (but I guess it's not that bad, since I can just copy the definitions from Le Grand Robert).

>>78614073
Interesting. Yeah, I have a deck in Quizlet that is just encountered words, another one that is "useful phrases for work" and a few other things like that. Those all get piled into a Long Term Learning folder that I study from with all the other decks (Pimsleur, Michel Thomas, Duolingo).

Lingvist should adapt to you pretty quickly though, if you get a bunch of words right it seems to be pretty good at upping the advancement level. But I understand you are looking for more words you encounter.

The reason I use Quizlet rather than Anki is the card making. I find Quizlet much more pleasant for that.

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>Looked up an actual textbook
>That fucking price
Welp, torrenting it is

>>78615470
kek. plus 2-7 weeks it says?

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