/lang/ - Language Learning

I already know three (3) languages on a native speaker level, I don't need more.

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>>77949480
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

https://forvo.com
>Has pronunciation for lots of words in lots of languages

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http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

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Any russianbros know any cool Russian radio stations?

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>>77949553
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>>77949527
If you say so. I know 6 but still don't feel like its enough.
Not all of them on native level though.

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>>77949791

Just asking, anyone here learning Hindi? I might consider it.

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>>77949826
important note: this image is specifically for learning Mandarin with Traditional Chinese Characters (rather than Simplified)

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>>77949826
Did whoever made that guide actually expect people to type out those mega.nz links?

>>77949865
Finnish when?

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Need to learn as much Swedish in one year when I visit the country. Got a qt waiting for me too, hoping to lose my v-card.

Help me out /int/, I know a decent amount of Swedish already but hoping to expand. I pretty much only use duolingo.

>>77949902
I know, that's why I made the links in my shitty thing tinyurls with an easy name

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>>77949912
this is all I have, not really a full guide or anything, but the guy who wrote this (unfortunately the original page is ded) is a Brazilian who learned Finnish to a very advanced level, to the extent where he was correcting Finns on Ylilauta.

>>77949902
come to think of it, probably the best solution for these image guides is to include all of the URLs in a pastebin, and then simply put the pastebin's URL in the image, like that it's only one single relatively simple URL.

>>77949902
If you can't type some links, you don't deserve free learning materials.
If you don't have the dedication to type, do you have the dedication to learn a language?

If it offends you, I will remove it.

>>77949920
Hoping to lose your "v-card" in one year to someone across the ocean? How about getting a real gf in your own country?

>>77950436
I know the girl and we talk all the time. She has given me hints that we will bang.

Still got to impress the folks and would like to learn anyways.

>>77950310
So I'm assuming you're also studying Turkish right? Or at least you did before. When would you suggest starting the textbooks? ASAP or a little ways down the road? And could you suggest anything to help with speaking? I know Rosetta Stone has something that will kind of judge how well you pronounce things but do you know of anything else for people who don't want to buy RS?

>>77950831
Well I unironically hope you the best of luck

>>77949131
because i'm curious about finno-ugric languages and hungarians are conveniently peppered around the country since they were resettled in gommunizm

>>77951035
>and hungarians are conveniently peppered
>peppered
lel

>>77950864
Start, just don't rush it.
Speak with real persons, I do not trust the speaking exercises of Duolingo and Rosetta Stone has a bad name, I have no doubt those speaking exercises are bad as well.

How do speakers of English or other IE languages find learning an agglutinating language like Turkish? The long words strike me as difficult, do they occur often? It just seems so much easier to learn a synthetic language

>>77951035
I checked the soundcloud. The guy sounds like he took 10 shots of palinka before the recording. It really reminds me of how I sound like drunk. But other than that it's fine.

Any questions about Hungarian?

>>77951290
Ah alright then. There's a nice Turkish restaurant near me run by a bunch of expats and they seem nice enough to talk with. It's just 20 bucks a meal though so it'll hurt my wallet.

>>77951367
most words only have 1-2 suffixes so it's not like they're all a huge mess

Thinking about doing 30 mins per day of French, I did 3 yrs of it in school so I'm familiar with a lot of words and would be easy to re-learn tenses.

I really want to learn Spanish + Italian too (I studied both for 2 years at school) but I know I'll get mixed up learning them.

I'll probably study French for a year and then move to Spanish + Italian.

I do have a question though, how do I get started in French? I might learn all the tenses first and then move onto vocab but I really need a plan desu. Anyone help me out? I really prefer using textbooks desu.

>>77951820
other than what >>77951367 said i'm curious of how szekely hungarian sound to you
is it the equivalent of scottish or more like british vs american

Guys!
What are you supposed to do when you feel kinda stuck on intermediate to upper-intermediate level for pretty long time (3-4 years) in English? I try hard to improve everything, but some things are so fucking complicated for me.

I can read non-fiction books about daily routines of famous people, about quarter-of-life crisis, about historical events and easily understand ~90% of it, but when I take simple childish book like Wizard of Oz, Hobbit or Treasure Island, I feel so hopeless or even insecure because I hardly understand some words (even though I've read it a hundred of times in my language) while every native 7 y.o. child understands everything written there. I understand everything when I listen to talk radios with standardised English pronunciation like BBC or NPR, but when I hear any dialect I barely understand 10% of words. I really enjoy watching torrented movies and tv shows, but almost everytime I turn eng subtitles on because I am afraid i will not recognise the meaning of a phrase or a joke. I almost always understand every post here, on 4chan, but when I try to reply, I have so many difficulties with finding proper words to type. And the worst thing: I have no verbal (or oral?) practice of English, so my pronunciation may be horribly wrong sometimes. I tried to record myself reading a sample text and it sucked, I hated my voice, the way words sound, the way I speak (like a man with Down syndrome). My recorded voice sounded like I am a hispanic or Afro-American who tries to explain that he is not a drug seller.

I don't know what should I do now. I think the best solution is to find a native teacher in English-speaking country, so I will dive into it with both feet and become more confident, but now I am poor as fuck and all I can do is sitting here and hoping for better future. Shit.

I'm learning german and french, going pretty well and it's fun. I started learning them because they are the "main" languages in europe other than english, but I'm wondering what I should learn next once I get these to a somewhat fluent level. Any suggestions?

>>77954138
Dunno about the first half, but as for the latter
>I have no verbal (or oral?) practice of English, so my pronunciation may be horribly wrong sometimes
There is only one way to fix this. Practice. Talk English whenever you can. Play vidya and talk english, join some discord or whatever where english is spoken, move to the US and work at the Russian embassy.

>>77954389
All up to you and completely depends on what you want. Some languages people here are learning
>persian
>turkish
>mari
>hungarian
>spanish

>>77954138
i feel for you
a few years back i'd try to watch something like avatar (the cartoon) and barely understand shit
there's no real trick other than soldiering on
also don't worry about your accent
it takes like a few days to correct it
you will still have visible traces of it but normies love accents
>>77954389
romanian :^)
how's romania called in danish?
idk pick something that you like
spanish is international so why not?

>>77954138
Also I always wonder how ESLs here always write so correct and natural. I've attended the ordinary school with average foreign language lessons, I was considered as one of the best students in languages, but now I feel like I am at the bottom of the entire world with my level of language and it sorrows me so much

>>77954138

Seems to me you're scared of failure m8. The only way you're going to solve your problem is to test yourself again and again. Don't put subtitles on, force yourself to listen to it again and again if necessary.

Also, whilst I won't say that I don't understand all English dialects, some are definitely trickier than others and that's not really a problem for a non native speaker.

BTW, learn to speak! Force yourself to do it. You'll regret it otherwise. You're in Russia, try moving to Moscow and working there as loads of tourists, even people from Germany, Switzerland, Austria, France etc.... can't speak Russian and will try English.

Good luck!

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>>77954463
add french to that
i'll be in brussels for a few days so i wanna learn french
desu i'm way too autistic to actually talk to people but i'll feel uncomfortable if i can't pick up what others say because i have social anxiety
>>77954560
>I've attended an ordinary school with average foreign language lessons
language classes are absolute shit m8

>>77954138
Actually I don't think most kids understand all the words in those books you listed. It's rather dated English so I wouldn't worry about that. As for you speaking the best bet is to just find someone in your city who is a native English speaker and try to meet up with them a few times a week, even if it's to just shoot the shit.
And as for the dialects, they almost all come with their own unique jokes or phrases, sometimes to the point where speakers of other English dialects won't understand it. For example, I can hardly tell what most Irish or Scottish people are talking about half the time.
Maybe pick a more modern fantasy series to try practicing with. Authors like Brandon Sanderson are fairly clean in their writing and shouldn't give you as much trouble as Tolkien. Out of curiosity, is Tolkien not translated into a slightly dated version of your mother tongue?

>>77951367
It's not too bad, at least not in Turkish and Russian. They're fairly straightforward with the words, each letter really only makes one sound so it might take a second to sound it out internally but then you're good to go. The other bonus is that with combined words it's generally pretty easy to memorize them because they're typically two different words you know mashed into one.
Although it kinda seems like even Turkish people don't like these long words because a lot seem to be shortened in the spoken language vs the written.

>>77954463
Hungarian sounds like it could be cool. I've thought a lot about greek and turkish too, since the countries are interesting.

>>77954494
Romania = Rumænien
I've considered learning another romance language, could be romanian since it sounds cool. I'll think about it while I continue to work on my current learning.

>>77954560
Some languages lack useful upper level material but English is not one of them.

There is a ton of stuff out there for example prep material for C-Level language certificates.

>>77954710
>Rumænien
i find it interesting how it's romania in only english
it's ru- instead of ro- because a sound shift occured relatively recently in romanian, and we stopped calling ourselves rumuns and started saying romans
like the current name for Wallachia is Țara românească while the old one Țeară rumenească from Terra romana meaning land of the romans/romanians
pretty interesting huh?

Today's language learning confession:

I enjoy paintbucket'ing countries whose official/widely spoken languages I can speak on a blank world map and getting off to the amount of surface I have already covered with the languages I can speak (yes I actually make a bit of an effort to visit these places in case you are wondering).

>>77954938
>a sound shift occured relatively recently in romanian
that is pretty interesting actually, I didn't know about that

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>>77954839
OK, anons, thanks for your support. I really appreciate it.

>>77954602
>Seems to me you're scared of failure m8.

Yes, and I understand this fear is irrational and illogical, but still can't do anything about this.
I already live in Moscow, and sometimes when tourists ask me something in English and I know the answer I feel so great that I am not completely brainless. But interactions like this happen rarely, 2-3 times per year, one time two japanese-looking guys asked me how to get to certain metro station and the other time an italian truck driver wanted to sell me his watches because he did not get a paycheck for some reason, but I honestly told him I had no cash at that moment.

>>77954703
Tolkien's books were translated several times in Russian, and I have read every translated book from Hobbit and LOTR to Silmarillion, Children of Hurin and even small tales.

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So lately I had Italian exchange students at my school and yesterday was the last time I got to see them. We had a good fair well for them, I said goodbye to the people I met and started some friendships with, gave folks a bunch of hugs. I wanted to speak in Italian because I was already doing so over FB that day in the /ita/ or w.e it is 4chan general on /int/. I got bullied and was told my Italian is gibberish and a few people were using complex grammar to confuse me. One guy was encouraging but that was it.

Chinese language?

>>77954066
Ummm, székely sounds kinda like... australian for an English speaker. They change the a and á a bit, they have some different words for everyday stuff (food, clothing, slang) and their accent is overall fun to hear, I can understand it fully unless they use lots of different vocab.

>>77951367
Well Hungarian is extremely agglutinative as well, we also have vowel harmony, many cases and some shared vocab (alma vs elma). If I was interested in Turkish, I'd probably have an easier time with it.

>>77955726
文言文。

>>77955579
I'm learning Italian too
t. foreigner

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>>77955824
>文言文。

I'm curious as to why people here are learning new languages.

Why? Seriously, why are you learning a new language? Useful for the future? Exciting to learn a new language? You bored and want to learn one? Partner is from a country that speaks it?

What's the reason you're learning that language?

>>77955579
bro I have not seen italian that bad, it was so bad that I assumed you were trolling and purposely saying gibberish

>>77955761
>australian for an English speaker
ok, nice

>many cases
desu hungarian and turkish cases are quite different
hungarian cases are really simple while turkish cases are closer to indo-european ones

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>Measure words

What fucking autist came up with this?
Is this only used in Chinese or does it appear in in any other languages?

If you're not sure what measure words are, allow me to explain:

三本书: Three books. 三: Three, 书: Book But you need to use 本 so people understand you're saying three books and not just "Three. Book" In English it's like saying "Three Items with paper Books".

三辆车: Three cars. In English this is like "Three vehicles cars" If you say 三车 You are just saying "Three, Car"

三组电池 "Three batteries batteries"

>>77955831
Where are you from originally?
I've been studying Italian for 5 years but the way the school system is structured, che cazzo disastro. They try to teach Italian like it's English so having the equivalents and what not. Now, at first I think that's a good idea so the first 3 and a bit years are basically foundations and my Italian is (in my opinion) okay-alright now. The Italians kept on bullying me though. You have the advantage of being able to talk with Italians where ever you go. In Melbourne, sure there is Italian suburbs and areas but it's more of an effort to reach there. They said I really should spend 3-6 months in Italy to be able to pick up the language.
>>77955951
Was it really that bad? :(

>>77955981
It actually exists in some form in English as well, when talking about animal groups.

For example a school of fish, a murder of crows, a parliament of owls, a gaggle of geese(walking), a swarm of geese(flying), etc.

>>77955984
Well I speak English here
The good thing is I hear Italian all the time, either on tv or people speaking, apart from that I've finished Duolingo and I'm doing Memrise courses

I'm Spanish

>>77955981
But "3 fish" or "4 crows" is as equally understood.
That's just the word for the group.

The most comparable thing in English would be "3 pieces of paper".

>>77955984
I don't understand what they could possibly be 'teaching' you at school, your verb usage and pluralisation was completely random

>>77956071
Hmmm, I might pick up Duolingo again and try to do it daily. How is Memrise compared to Duolingo?
>>77956143
Any examples? It's fine if you can't think of any

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>>77956058
>a school of fish, a murder of crows, a parliament of owls, a gaggle of geese(walking), a swarm of geese(flying)
who comes up with therese?!

>>77955944
Most of them are hoping to find a foreigner gf

>>77956197
>Memrise compared to Duolingo
really different
memrise tries to get you to memorise words and phrases
but recently they added grammar and conversation bots

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>>77955944
i'll be in brussels for a few days so i wanna learn french
desu i'm way too autistic to actually talk to people but i'll feel uncomfortable if i can't pick up what others say because i have social anxiety

>>77956197
I prefer Duolingo, but do take the placement test, cheat if you need to in order to start from a level that is a bit challenging to you, otherwise it's incredibly boring.

Memrise is... less strict. You can find courses people make about verbs, expressions, specific vocabulary... I just did one about regions and capitals.

>>77954389
You could try out russian
It's a fun challenge

>>77956197
> Penso era tre ragazze ma specificamente questo ragazzo in mio opinione era bella.

first of all era is singular, so you can't use it for '3 girls'
also in your opinion someone is 'bella', but that is feminine, and ragazzo is a boy, so it doesn't make any sense, if you thought a dude was handsome he is bello, if you were talking about one of the girls, it is ragazza not ragazzo

>>77955944
I don't want to be stuck in this shithole for the rest of my life, and Germany has good prospects and a rich literary history, so why not. Shows respect for the country if I ever do decide to go there.
Plus it gives me something to do.

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I wont call it a piece of shit, because it's got me from knowing zero Chinese to knowing over 1,000 words. But sometimes I want to launch memrise out the fucking window.

There is no fuzzy logic programmed into it's questions so you'll constantly give the correct answer, but as it's not the answer it has programmed as correct, you're wrong.

For example 高兴 and 开心 both mean happy in chinese. But when memrise says "What is chinese for "Happy". It's asking for one and one only.

I'm so lazy
I'll never learn spanish

>>77956425
You know if you make a course on Memrise you can add different correct solutions (even if the course is teaching one of them, both could be correct).

>>77956363
Ah shit I see, yeah I understand why you would think I might be trolling if I wrote that.

So then
>Penso erano tre ragazze, ma specificamente questa ragazza in mia opinione era bella
Is correct then?
I suppose when I am writing in Italian I should slow down and make sure all my grammar is correct.

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>>77951367
Well as a speaker of a polysynthetic language, it isn't as hard as most people advertise it to be. It's mostly just any regular sentence with shorter words mixed occasionally with those infamousneverendinggodawfuldifficultpronouncing words.

in Cree we expand our verbs
Take the word "see" (animate conjugating verb
>wâpam-to see. Can't be used alone
>wâpamaw-he sees
>niwâpamaw-i see him
>niwâpamanân-we(exclusive) see him
>niwâpamanânak-we(exclusive) see them
>nikîwâpamanânak-we had seen him
>nikînôhtewâpamanânak-we would have liked to see him

Like that. Cree has consistant rules and no irregular verb forms, so it's alo easier to learn and remember. Can't say about Magyar

>>77955761
Also, what's the difference between a polysynthetic language and an agglutinating language?
Scholars say polysynthetic is harder but I don't see how. Tb h it's alot easier and consistant than english

>>77956511
Just do a little bit every day and you'll get there, anon. It might seem hopeless, but the proof of success is all around you.
I've only been studying German for little over a month and I'm noticing myself picking up little phrases here and there when I read it in the wild. It's a good feeling.

waht tools are you using to learn?

>>77956600
you should probably use congiuntivo if you're saying penso, and opinione is still masculine so it stays as mio opinione

>>77956058
Sorry, I was wrong. It's a SKEIN of geese(flying).

If you don't know these by heart, from an 'army of ants' over a 'pride of lions' to a 'dazzle of zebras' then you have no right to consider yourself to be fluent in English, sorry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_terms_of_venery,_by_animal

>>77956551
So why don't they make multiple correct answered for the official courses?

>>77956741
>a mob of kangaroos
Kek.

>>77956705
I looked up congiuntivo, I haven't learned this before. Last tense we were learning in class was passato remoto. I have studied presente, imperfetto (indicativo), futuro semplice, passato prossimo, imperativo e condizionale.

>>77955981
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classifier_(linguistics)

According to this article, this is also found in Korean, Japanese, Burmese, Bengali (an Indo-European language like English) and even American Sign Language.

>>77956657
we had seen them*
We would have liked to see them*

>>77956943
bit weird you learnt passato remoto before congiuntivo, where do you learn italian? high school?

>>77957070
Yea
On that note you find it weird, I think the person who plans the Italian course at my school is the meme Italian teacher, we have two at my school. One is my current teacher who is really good and one meme stereotypical Aussie Italian mum who is bad at Italian from what my friends have said.

>>77957176
were you able to speak to the exchange students fine?
also can you keep posting in /ita/, your italian is the best thing in the thread

>>77957244
Why you will bully me also generally they were able to understand what I said, I attempted to try and speak in Italian when I could. I need to remember some more words for general conversation because an issue I have when I type is I will look at a dictionary because the resource is available, when I talk it isn't and I get nervous if I can't remember some words.

>>77957308
will not bully, il filo needs to be enriched with your italian

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>>77956741
>No "An unpleasantness of rooks"

Bad list.

>>77957388
Well, at least I can post more and improve my Italian skills and folks and nitpick my shit. I hope I don't see that asshole who tried to confuse me again.

>>77956684
Anime, manga, anki, and i read tae kim once now I use dojg as a reference. Recently started using duolingo, because it's fun to translate sentences in bed, but it placed me halfway through the course, so not much content left.

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>ESLs ITT expressing in perfect English how bad they are at English.

???

>>77957577
bad in real life perhaps

>>77949480
Best OP pic desu

Why is third tone in chinese sometimes pronounced with a break?

For example 号码 spoken as "Hao ma-aa"

I love to learn languages, but i dont especially like the countries and cultures where they are spoken
what do?

>>77949758
can we have a cuter Spanish girl in this guide

>>77958291
Become a language autist

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km9-DiFaxpU

>>77955981
Vietnamese has it, they're quite regular in meaning through. Actually all languages in Indochina and Southern China have classifier.

>tfw every language you want to learn is almost always called useless

thinking to learn japanese so i could read untranslated porno comics in japanese...

>>77956741
>a holocaust of merchants

>>77958412
This jew can be subversive in so many countries, I'm jealous.

>>77959157
i personally like a murder of crows

>>77958412
This was the kid who inspired me to learn languages desu

>>77958261
"Why"?
Asking "why does X language do Y" is always a strange question anon.
That's just how they speak, anon, as funny as it may seem.

Pronouncing the third tone at the end of a sentence like that is optional though.
You can just go for a low falling tone anyway.

>>77959562
There are sometimes rules that dictate the way to pronounce things, like the rendaku in Japanese. You sound a bit ignorant to be telling someone off like that with such confidence.

How much do you care about having an accent? I totally don't care about mine in english (and it is pretty obvious).

>>77959053

it's good to have goals kek

>>77959817

i have a dumb native english accent, anyway lel as long as they can understand you, it's ok

(as long as it's not physically draining to listen to)

>>77959618
>You sound a bit ignorant to be telling someone off like that with such confidence.
Maybe because I am.
But I feel that such rules and tendencies and patterns usually just answer "how" something is done rather than "why".
Trying to answer "why" X language does Y usually just comes down to "that's just how they do it, there's not much of a why".

Even when we know about the history of the language the above answer becomes "at some point this is the feature that becomes widespread, there's not much of a why for which it did so".

When there's two competing ways of saying the same thing, sometimes the prestigious variant survives, sometimes the non-prestigious one does.
Can anybody really say why most of the time?

Pronouncing French oi as [wɛ] was associated with the aristocracy at the time of the French revolution, and that pronunciation seems to have died in Paris when the revolution happened. [wa] was a shibboleth of the new regime. In this case we can speak of a "why" in a feature choice, but such cases are few and far between.

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>>77950009
>live mocha has been permanently closed
>recommending beginners to try to comprehend yliluata speak

fucking christ to both

Can I get a alt to livemocha btw? currently doing word dive finnish

Clozemaster is really good if you have the basics
Memrise and duolingo are good if you start from 0

don't die

>>77955944
Mostly to fill up my time from not masturbating anymore desu.I think I'll continue to learn one for a long time.

I'm learning german cus I think it sounds nice and I also want a cute german bf. the /deutsch/ thread looks terrifying but I want some practice with natives

>>77964775
/deutsch/ is autistic please don't go there, otherwise you'll learn how to speak like an autist
and don't even think about going to krautchan

>>77956751
I don't know, for example in the last one I was doing both Italian and English names (of places) were accepted, it's up to the one that creates the course.

>>77955981
The best example I can think of in English.
Three sheets of paper.

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>>77964886
Did I just read autism?

>>77960310
>word dive
how does it work
the site doesn't actually say what they do

>>77957723
>sound perfectly British in my head
>when actually talking I suddenly have a terrible accent

>>77964775
in all honesty /deutsch/ is horrible for beginners, their memes often involve writing words wrong on purpose, or using shitty grammar and all other kinds of autism

>>77964886
>>77967817
where should I go then to interact with german natives if not /deutsch/ or krautchan?

Any place where I can learn non-spic northern Spanish? Those with the correct z pronunciation and things like that.
Most of the Spanish learning websites or tools I've seen are Latin American Spanish.

>>77970391
memrise makes separate courses for jewrapean and mcshitcan shpanish

Has anyone got that info-graph where the US government says how many hours it takes to train a diplomat to speak different languages?

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I know Poles don't come on these threads often, byt what the hell is the cursive ł. i Added pic related to make it easier

There was an anon in here (I think) who highly recommended a Latin course, is he still here? Does anyone know which one I mean?

>>77971859
It's their 'w'.

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>>77971388
You meant this one?

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>tfw learning Tolkien Elvish

>>77968126
>wanting to interact with people
Languages are tools to access books, film, music, comics, etc. not for exchanging meaningless banalities with the braindead masses. Do you outsiders need to be reminded that 4chan is not for normalscum? Fuck off.

>>77975316
Looks very outdated and simplified, the full Navy rank has 5 difficulties and more languages.

>>77975673
Really? Isn't the language incomplete, thus pointless?
I learned how to write Portuguese using Tengwar, but that's about it, didn't see a point in learning something unfinished...

Which is such a shame, since Tolkien had mad good taste and based his language on my favorite one - Finnish.

>>77974150
I know that it's pronounced like a 'w' but i don't know how to write the cursive

>>77976776
http://sketchtoy.com/68251332
like this
what causes the problem?

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>>77976776
Just switch to Russian already.

>>77972338
Just get Lingua Latina per se Illustrata and work through it. There are two volumes.

>>77967738
Can you talk like a Brit trying to speak Dutch? Learn how to speak Dutch in a British accent, then just apply that accent to English. Worked for me to speak Spanish, I've been asked before what part of Mexico I'm from and I'm uncomfortably pasty white. I'm pretty good at mimicking accents in general though so maybe I'm over-simplifying.

>>77975316
Class hours is a bad metric, because it assumes low activity and little effort to improve. And poor choices in reading material, and grammar advancements.
I would argue that the ratios between the classes stay somewhat true, but that isn't the same as when fluency or literacy is achieved.

>>77975316
I wonder which languages are easy for Turkish people

Lingvist is starting to get annoying (over 200 repeats before new words). What do?

>>77971859
What's the problem? You wrote it correctly. There is some variation in how certain people write it, >>77976988 is fine too.

I'm interested in learning serbo-croatian and its neighbor languages like slovenian and montenegrin since I hear they are very similar. How should I go about starting this? Any advice is appreciated.

>>77978742
I would guess that Kazakh and the other -stan languages since they're all Turkic family languages.

>>77975673
why would you waste your time like that?

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>weekly хит-пapaд is supposed to start in 15 minutes
>site still down
I think I'm about to have a brain aneurysm at this rate.

>>77982277
what's a hit-parad?
fillme in canadianon so we'll feel together

>>77983743
It's basically just like a weekly top 10 or top 20. Normally most of the music on the radio is kinda shitty, but during the хит-пapaд they play some songs which are unironically good, and so it's frustrating to miss out on the opportunity to discover new music.

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>>77983922
there there jianada

>>77980680
he is autistic

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>>77983974
thanks Vlad

Also, how francophile is Romania nowadays? Is it true that there's almost as many people who learn French as English, or is that a thing of the distant past?

>>77978979
>>77976988
So the lef one is Upper-case and the second one lower-case right?

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>>77984286
here you start your first foreign language in 3rd grade and the second one in 5th grade
usually it's either english french or french english
but sometimes french is replaced with german
it used to be stuff like french russian but after the collapse of communism russian started to fade away

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Why is it that iranian girls in language apps always show their hair
Isnt that haram

>>77985207
Fully exposed or just a loose veil? It has become somewhat accepted in Iran to have the veil more loose, as you can see in many documentaries from there.
And if you want to see a documentary about the Iranian people and its history a bit, here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYoa9hI3CXg

Hope to immigrate someday, which is most beneficial? Italian, German or Russian? Thanks.

>>77987306
German, followed by Italian. I don't think Russia is too great for SIngapore folk. (As a country I mean, not as language)

>>77954138
Now, I can reassure everyone that you wrote this bs because you want us to praise you for what you've achieved, and don't even try to deny it, you sly faggot. Fuck you.

Here's a fun SOTD in Québec French:

>Je le sais-ti ?
which, in standard French, would be pronounced something like "žə lə sɛ-ti ?" (refer to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/French). The use of the -ti particle to make interrogative sentences in considered archaic in standard French, but is still technically acceptable and is still common in Quebec French. The sentence thus translates to "Do I know it?".

So what's the "fun" part? The way it's (sometimes) pronounced in Québec French:
>ʌ'l se-tsü
compared to
>žə lə sɛ-ti

>>77987546
this sad hohol can't even be bothered to offer any encouragement

>>77987607
You're pathetic. Go throw yourself off a building.

>>77987605
oh, just realized that for some of the letters I didn't use IPA

ž = ʒ
ü = y

>>77987716
i laffed

>>77987716
If you'll keep offending our overlords like that, then my toilet would be cleaned by someone else, Taras.

>>77987928
Gosh, your English is egregiously bad.

>>77968126
germany

>>77988082
It changes nothing my comrade.

>>77954703
>I don't think most kids understand all the words in those books you listed.
This is true. Some times when I read through some of those books I get surprised by the vocabulary in them.

It's always such a treat when a thread turns into 2 eastern euros argueing about nothing

>>77988349
Forgot to ask a random cuck's opinion.

I have a Turkish question
So which is more common or proper to use in Turkish?
Onlar bana bir kitap okular OR Bana bir kitap okular
I understand that as long as I use the proper form of 'okumak' then you don't really need to specify who is doing the action separately. However, I still see a lot of examples that go out of their way to state who is doing the action before we get to the verb. Is this just to make it easier for English language learners to get the hang of it or do you actually state who is doing it in Turkish?

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Those of you who have learned additional languages, is a major part of learning just remembering strings of words that work together? I understand knowing grammar is important, since it is impossible to memorize every sentence, but it sure seems like the stuff that comes off my tongue easiest is the stuff that I've said the most and basically memorized.

>>77988827
Once you understand grammar, it's pretty much all vocab and oral practice from there. Oral practice is what gives you that ability to know exactly what to say.

>>77988827
word association is really strong way to learn. like associating a word with a sentence and when you forget what the word means you'll remember the context it has been used in.

>>77988827
Like the other anon said, most come from knowing what to say, which is basically vocab. That, and expressions/idioms, which don't always make sense if you just translate them. For example, a few dutch ones.
>Now the monkey comes out of the sleeve
>To keep something in the holes
>Looking for nails in low water
>An unlicked bear
>Make the breast wet
>To fancy porridge of it
>Not having eaten porridge of it
>Having a finger in the porridge

>>77989472
>Make the breast wet
l-lewd

>>77949638
http://echo.msk.ru

>>77989083
Thank you. I'm learning lots of grammar now. I was doing more Lingvist but realized without the grammar to string the vocab together it isn't worth going to far yet and better to put that energy into grammar.

>>77989225
Yeah, that's Lingvist, but my problem is I don't know most the grammar of the sentences so I end up just using it like flashcards rather than association. So I think I really gotta dig into the grammar at the beginning here. Maybe that's why people say Lingvist is where to go after Duolingo.

>>77989472
>and expressions/idioms, which don't always make sense if you just translate them
Oh very interesting thank you.

>>77989550
In this context, chest probably would've been a better translation. It means to get ready for something, and is generally used as a sort of warning. "We'll be cycling uphill and into the wind, wet your chests boys"

Honestly, I don't even know the (etymological) origin of a lot of these.

>>77949638
MADFM.

>>77954138
Былo тoжe caмoe гaвнo, пoкa я нe пoпaл в aнглoязычнyю cpeдy. Пpaвдa чacтo oбщaлcя нe c нocитeлями, a co вcяким биoмycopoм типa филиппикoв, индийцeв, пoлякoв, иcпaнцeв, aфpикaнцeв, кoтopыe чacтичнo иcкaзили мoй няшный pyccкий aкцeнт.

Norwegian (something like intermediate) and German (beginning) languages. If any Norwegian or German wants to learn Russian or Ukrainian (kek), we can try to write each other on facebook or e-mail (fake accounts, etc).

>>77987306
Russia is a country of genetic slaves and cattle, but one can earn good money there if you do not absorb their mentality much. Of the other two, I would choose Italy, because I like architecture. Also, why do you want to leave the country with the best political system in the world?

>>77990342
>the country with the best political system in the world?
Wbat makes Singapore's political system le best? You're fucking retarded.

>>77990479
Certainly better than a corrupt oligarchy

>>77990634
LE TOPEST ARGUMENT IM LIKE LITERALLY BTFO

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>When your life is so boring you can't think what to say to your language partner to practice.

>>77993457
>when you're so shy you can't get a language partner

>>77993457
>Tell me a little about yourself anon before we start the language exchange

>tfw scared to death to make mistakes in the general where they speak the language you want to learn

>>77988082
>Insults someone's english
>uses "gosh" like a preteen girl or suburban mom

Ok i'm only here
To ask
If i could add someone on Whatsapp , i'm desperate for a friend that i could like spam with voice messanges and write in dutch to. Although my dutch aint that well.

I speak swedish spanish english my italian isn't that bad and my russian is beginner !

>>77995821
Same here. Maybe when I'm more advanced I'll try to post in my target language's general, but for now I'll stick with anki and such.

>>77956071
Spanish and Italian may as well be the same language. I unironically passed an SAT2 Italian test with only my hs Spanish knowledge

>>77955026
I am envious. Might try that.

>>77955944
Looks good on a resume and it's something productive to do.

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>>77997582
Think about it like this: English gives you a great head start.

>>77949480
I'm a Japanese(Japanese native speaker)
I have been learning English for 1 year.
But I feel very difficult to learn English(Grammar).

I wanna understand written web in English.
I can't understand it....

>>77976296
Sindarin (the ones the elves in the movies speak) is complete. Quenya is not.

>>77980680
Every language is equally useless when you're a native English-speaker.

>>77997190
I don't have WhatsApp but we could exchange emails or something. I speak English and I am learning Swedish.

>>77997800
Keep trying, friend. I imagine English is very different than Japanese but you have lots of great resources.

Are you studying English every day?

>>77998214

Yes, but my study is almost read and write.
And I have been often watching youtube spoken in English.

>>77998389
Are the english schools in Japan good? I know some westerners teach in those.

I'm trying to learn English and I notice that no one corrects my grammar in this IB. but if I misspell a word in a spanish forum, IB etc, everyone goes mad.

>>77998903
Maybe it's very bad, because un-native English speakers(Japanese) teach.
But, if native English speakers teach very good.

And I'm learn by myself.
I've not been to school.

>>77999174

Have you tried playing games your favorite videogames but in English?

>>77999297
>>77999174
You could also try reading some books. From my understanding Haruki Murakami has some good English translations if you want to try them side by side.

>>77999135
Some of that is cultural, and some of that is on flagged boards just giving people a break if it isn't their first language. Americans especially get miffed at "grammar nazis" and generally if we know what you are trying to say we don't care if you screwed it up a bit. I generally assume it was a typographical error.

>>77999297
No, I almost play game in Japanese.
But, my hobby is "programing",so
I'm trying to read document in English
(I'm trying to read English in read???)

>>77999412
Made a miss take.
I'm trying to read document in English
(I'm trying to read English in document???)

>>77998389
>>77999412
You're using almost but I think the word you want is always.
>>77999135
If your flag doesn't match the language you're speaking you probably won't be corrected too much unless you're asking for help or if its a small correction. Especially not in this thread.

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>>77949758
>9
fuck of with this shit, I don't need anyone setting my schedule , I want fucking decent resources not those memes. Can someone make decent spanish chart just like russian or swedish one? Por favor cabrons

>>77999485
Thanks.

>>77999446
If you are talking about programming, the proper word is "documentation."

"I'm trying to read documentation in English."

I wanna know the news of Yahoo in the USA and the UK.

>>77999584
Thanks,I didn't it.

>>77999584
Wouldn't it just be documents?

>>77999811
The nomenclature is documentation. It usually refers to the user guide of a programming language, library, API, or something of the sort.

>>77999928
Oh ok. I figured documents just sounded better cause it was plural, but that makes sense

>>77999928
Would you teach me the English.
I can't understand the flowing context->
*** it just be ****?
(Wouldn't it just be documents?)
What's mean???
I don't know to use "it just be"

>>78000239
You can ignore the "just"
Saying "wouldn't it be documents?" means the same thing.

>>78000239

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/es/gramatica/gramatica-britanica/speaking/just

>>78000239
>it just be
The "just" here means "It is simply"

>tfw in Latin America has an interesting culture, and Spanish is a nice language, but there's no real economic gain in learning it.
What's the point

>>77997480
>Spanish and Italian may as well be the same language
god no

>>78001444
>caring about money

>>78002140
Fuck you

Most efficient way to study? Everybody says "at least an hour a day, at least an hour a day" but how do you make the best of that hour? Just listening to the language probably isn't enough, I'd imagine.

>>78002796
pomodoro
Also, you should divide up your time into learning and practicing vocab and grammar as you see fit, and vocally practicing. How you divide that up is based on how much grammar you know.

This means it's practically impossible to just learn a language without books or sites like duolingo. Also, you will never be comfortable with a language unless you orally practice it.

>>78001444
A good portion of the reason I'm learning Spanish is so I can communicate with some of the workers at my job, which I'd say is an economic gain.

>>78002913
Mexicans aren't in my industry unfortunately. I just think it'd be cool to work in a Latin American country, but economically isn't feasible.

>>77949480
the tongue of the soul

also known as the guitar

Spanish! I love Spanish. Quiero mover a un pais con hispanohablantes cerca de mi.

>>77988445
We mostly won't put in the "Onlar" at the beginning as like you said the verb gives away the information that it's being read by some other people.But people will understand you just fine if you put the "Onlar" at the beginning.It's probably to get people used to the language like you said.

Note:"okurlar" instead of "okular"

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sup dudes, >>77949480

been learning German by reading through few books that I downloaded and with Duolingo. I also keep a small notebook and flash cards which I can go through while idle at work and in transit.

Sometimes I look at the nouns and wonder where does Noun genders even come from tho. and I would occasionally mix up the dative and the accusive cases

Anyone speak good Greek here? I need someone to proofread my (very rough) translation of a poem. I was going to ask a native Greek, but their general isn't there atm, apparently

>>78003488
>mover

mudarme*

>cerca de mi

No me suena bien así (aunque creo que está bien gramáticamente), yo diría "quiero mudarme a algún país cercano hispanohablante"

I dont understand at all when to use the different (cases? tenses?) of verbs in german. for example i dont understand the difference between esse, isst, essen, fressen or trinkt, trinkst, trinken

>>78005979
The endings of the verbs are determined by the pronoun the verb goes with and by the tense. I have, you have, he has. Ich habe, du hast, er hat.

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>>78006164
>du hast

Is Memerise the shittest language learning source?

It has no fuzzy logic so to get a question right you must perfectly type EXACTLY what it wants even if the question has multiple answers.

>>78008532
>What does "姐" mean
>Ah that means "Older sister"
>WRONG IT'S ELDER SISTER

Are you fucking kidding me?

>>78008532
>>78008693
Is it constantly updating? Duolingo has a lot of these and people get madly butthurt, but it has a "my version should be accepted" button and answers start to be valid after a moderator reviews it.

Also if you're not happy, use Anki where you can just self-assess whether you got it right or not.

>>78008731
At the moment memrise doesn't have multiple correct answers. They would have to add this as a feature.

How hard is it to learn the Devanagari script?

>>77956741
this list is great, i want to memorize them all

>>78009484
not that hard
it's an abugida, so a base consonant sign that can have a vowel mark attached to it

>>77998155
>Sindarin (the ones the elves in the movies speak) is complete.
Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sindarin
But Tolkien himself never intended to make his languages complete enough for conversation; as a result, newly invented Elvish texts, such as dialogue written by David Salo for the films directed by Peter Jackson, require conjecture and sometimes coinage of new words.

It is almost impossible to extrapolate the morphological rules of the Sindarin tongue from published data because Sindarin is a fictional irregular language (closely modelled on a natural language, Welsh) and not an international auxiliary language with a regular morphology.

Sindarin noun plurals are unpredictable and formed in several ways. If Tolkien did not provide us with the plural form of a Sindarin (or Noldorin) noun we have no certain way of inferring it.

Elvish.org: http://www.elvish.org/FAQ.html#general
>Is it possible to speak Quenya and Sindarin?
No.

--

It's still a beautiful and interesting language, but I don't think I would be able to learn something incomplete like that. I'm very linked to rules and standards.

>>78005854
post it here >>78002751

>>78004046
Whoops thanks, always forget that r there.

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>>77997190
I'm not giving my telephone number to people on 4chan.
Join the Telegram group and I may reply to you, or the Guatemalan will.

What language will be the 2nd most important in the future?

Spanish, French, Arabic or Mandarin?

I think French because Africa's population is growing massively

>>77999135
Most Anglophones are used to people butchering our language, I hear at least 10 different foreign accents every day.

>>78013372
Depends on how Latin America fairs this century, I'd say French could be a contender though. It's already one of the most widely learnt languages after English (2nd overall on Duolingo) and as you say it's about to undergo a population explosion.

>>78013372
Spanish because it's growing aswell and latinos have "connections" to the world unlike the africans. It's easier and sounds better (according to most) which will make more people learn it also make it grow.
I mean what about the big indian languages , like Hindi and Punjabi ? No one cares to study it because they are in their "zone".

>>77949480
Language learning is a subconscious process.
If you're actively "Learning" a language after the beginner stage you're doing it wrong.

>>78013511
t. your opinion

>>78013511
Don't listen to this idiot. An active study routine is vital to mastering a language and to prevent fossilization.

Any native English speakers have any experience in learning Icelandic?

>>78013577
Great, sure listen to this faggot and keep just focusing on grammar rules and never reading native material or immerse into your target language.

Sure, you'll get there champ.

>>78013655
>you can't do both

>>78013655
>and never reading native material or immerse into your target language.

I never said this.

>>78013678
If i focused on grammar rules with japanese and didn't just fully immerse i wouldn't be where i am in such a short time.

You didn't learn your mother language by reading grammar rules.

>>78013506

But a fon of Indians speak English because of the British Empire. Well any indian that goes abroad

>>78013704
Grammar study is essential in the beginning. After that beginner stage, i don't think opening up a grammar book full of English is necessary.

I used Japanese to improve my Japanese grammar and even used a Japanese grammar book aimed at students in japanese.

If you want to learn more about grammar when you're not a beginner, read about grammar IN your target language.

Listen i am just speaking from experience.

>>78013708
>you can't do both

>>78013748

*ton

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>duolingo

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>>78013861
Why do people care about their "streaks"? Especially if you can pay to keep them.

>>78013708
You learned your mother tongue by being completely immersed in the language for 2-3 years before you actually spoke your first word and spent another 10 to 15 years to reach a high degree of proficiency.

This sounds inefficient as fuck. As an adult you have to opportunity to rely on more sophisticated study methods which you should of course combined with exposure and immersion.

Every piece of advice or any resource that promises you some kind of 'natural' language acquisition 'just like you did in child hood' is dubious nonsense and should be discarded.

>end up as a language teacher for the summer
>they expect you to lift them from pisspoor B2 to C1 in 50hours of classroom time alone

how do i make these niggers pick up a book

>>78013961
I don't know, Maybe the fake feeling of progress or validation?

>>78013961
Because language acquisition is a skill that is very reliant on good habit formation skills

>>77949480
im learning c++

>>78014054
Are there any native speakers?

>>78014008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lNUc5yfQ5c

>>78013996
Linguists disagree with you.
With sentence mining and immersion you can become fluent rather fast. I'd say within 18 months.

At least that is the prospect with my Japanese.
Check out Ajatt, you might find you're not absolutely correct with your statements.

Obviously you should learn vocabulary with a system such as an SRS but you shouldn't focus on grammar once you're outside the beginner area.
Also, forcing yourself to speak before it comes out naturally leads to mistakes that are hard to be reversed.

That is why in the US we have Chinese people that can read novels but can't say proper sentences, and instead say something along the lines of "You want two for two cent?". THey know it should be "cents" but they're so used to "cent" that it's hard to reverse.

>>78014008
is the pay good tho

>>78014442
50polebucks per hour

it's alright considering it's pretty enjoyable and in polen

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What is so special about French in Romania?

>>78014937
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francophile#Romania

>>78013861
>There are people who're paying for that

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleman_Barks
> Although he neither speaks nor reads Persian, he is a popular interpreter of Rumi, rewriting the poems based on other English translations.
How does on get to be popular like that. Anyone can rewrite translations in the style of some modern fucking poetry.

>>78014625
if it's for 50 hours then that should be 2500 polebucks no?
that's like an above average monthly salary
or two months pay if you're working for minimum wage
i think

>>78013372

I think Chinese but i also think people are massive under-concerned with the Arabic speaking world. The future situation (20-30 years) in the middle east is going to make the current middle east look like Switzerland.

>>78008532
>language learning source?
It's not a language learning source, it's just for learning vocab.

>It has no fuzzy logic so to get a question right you must perfectly type EXACTLY what it wants even if the question has multiple answers.
This problem only applies to courses which forget to turn off that "type" of answer (i.e. having to type in English).

>You have to check a dictionary to know for sure how a Farsi word is pronounced
This is the entire reason I didn't want to learn Chinese

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>>77949480
Want to learn Irish but it's pretty useless unless I want to live in a Gaeltacht.

Also want to learn German but it's pretty hard. So many ways a word and sentence changes depending on the context.

I heard Dutch and Norwegian is pretty easy for English speakers, but I don't see the point in learning them.
Don't see the point in learning any language since most business is done in English anyway. This sort of stops me from learning them. I guess I don't have the motivation when there is no real reason for me to learn them. Maybe if I were moving there sure, but I don't plan to.

I am learning spanish, but I am at a weird place.
I was able to test out of duolingo's spanish course, and at the university I am attending I was able to place into native speaker spanish, but that is just cause I am a good test taker, and if I have enough time to think I can figure shit out with context. I went to mexico a week or so ago(I live just a few hours from the border so I can drive down), and I was only able to understand 1/3 to a half of what people would say, and I would need to be extremely focused. Speaking the language I can get a point across but I have a major american accent. Rn I am watching a bunch of simpsons episodes in spanish, and I can understand what is going on but a lot of the dialogue is lost on me. I am also reading the spanish translation of a house on mango street, and I need to look up a at least two words on each page. Is this okay? Should I continue just trying to consume media and understand it, or should I take more courses? Idk how I really learned spanish in the beginning, I just took a class in HS that helped me understand the basic grammar and then I used duolingo a bit and browsed hispachan and hilo latino a lot, so my formal course time is lacking.

also can you guys recommend me some good "adult" cartoons to watch that were originally made in spanish? When I say adult cartoon I mean like bob's burgers, king of the hill, futurama type shit, not porn.

>>78014354
>That is why in the US we have Chinese people that can read novels but can't say proper sentences, and instead say something along the lines of "You want two for two cent?". THey know it should be "cents" but they're so used to "cent" that it's hard to reverse.
They speak like that because they hardly give a flying fuck about speaking English, just like most people IRL hardly give a flying fuck about language learning in general.

In the banlieues of Paris you have ayrabs who've been speaking French their entire lives, who barely speak any arabic, who still butcher the French language (way worse than that chinese example). According to your perfect infallible scholarly logic, this must be definite proof that it's impossible to learn French if you have Arab genes, or some other equally ridiculous conclusion (rather than the much more obvious conclusion that most people don't give a shit about mastering languages).

>Linguists disagree with you.
This statement is so incredibly fallacious and unscholarly that I frankly do not even know how to begin approaching it.

>>78017576
>unless I want to live in a Gaeltacht
Go for it dude, Gaeltacht looks cool as shit, and you get to contribute to the revival of your native language. Just imagine, speaking only irish, raising little hobbit children with your portly but cheery and cute loving wife, growing old on a farm in the countryside, smoking a pipe on the steps in front of your hole as travelling dwarves, elves, men, and even a wizard or two pass by and try to make small talk with you in your native tongue.

>>78017567
why not use Wiktionary and Forvo?

For example:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%D8%AE%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%87#Persian
https://forvo.com/search/%d8%ae%d8%a7%d9%86%d9%87/

If you use Anki (or if you're creating your own memrise course), you can even download these as mp3's and integrate them into the deck, to make it much more easy to learn how to pronounce them.

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>>78017805
True the Gaeltacht is comfy as fuck, and you get grants from the government for just living there but still, that is a ways off. Also there is little to no employment in the Gaeltachts and more young people leave to work in the cities every day.

>>78017687
Try watching series/movies with Spanish subtitles, because if you don't get what they are talking about, at least you can read it and search what that means. Listening to something and not getting the message is useless. Repeat the same scene if possible once you know the meaning of the phrase that you didn't understand until you get it.
Also, reading also helps. Find a book and do at least fifteen minutes of reading every day, and when you find words or colloquial phrases that you don't know write them down and make flashcards with them. (make sure you are not learning useless vocabulary too)

>>78017955
I feel ya m8. I'm a taig living in the North and I'd like to learn Irish, but it's just very impractical and not very useful.
I'm concentrating on German at the moment, but perhaps if I succeed and end up enjoying the process, I'll come back for my country's tongue.

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>keep getting bien and bueno confused

>>78019032
How?
I'm pretty sure bien is the adverb, and bueno is the adjective.

>>78019257
Bien can be an adjective, for example "todo está bien"

>>78017827
Thanks, those look really helpful

>>78019032
bien - fine / alright / well
bueno- good

>>78019699
Okay thanks. I think what confuses me is in English we say stuff like "It's good" when meaning "It's fine" and vice versa. Basically good and fine are interchangeable in English even though they mean a bit different things technically. Is it the same in Spanish?

Then it seems like Spanish will sometimes use "Bueno" or "bien" for "okay" also...

>>78020278
You can use both bueno and bien to say okay or fine, but when constructing phrases that changes:

está bien - it's fine (like in:
-Do you mind if I take a sip?
-Yeah, it's fine)

está bueno - it's good (you can say this when talking about the taste of something. In other places it could mean "he's hot")

es bueno - he is good (saying that he's a good person, or that he's good at something)

Don't overcomplicate things, you don't need to study this distinctions. You'll learn them once you start reading more.

>>77949480
that pic is bullshit. "Mt. fluency" does not exist. If you can have conversations without sounding like a retard and searching for words every 10 seconds, you're already upper-intermediate. The rest comes after watching lots of TV shows, reading newspapers etc.

>>78020669
Thank you! You've helped me a lot and I appreciate it.

>>78020278
>Then it seems like Spanish will sometimes use "Bueno"
I think in Spanish you can use "bueno" as an interjection, at least in French you can:

>Bon, que veux-tu ?

Normally, "bon" means the same as "bueno", but in that specific example, the sentence would translate as:
>Alright then, what do you want?

>>78021903
Ah okay, that makes sense.

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Tired today havin' a bit of a hard time studying. What do you anons do when you're overtired and just want some passive content in your language? Movies, tv, periscope, youtube?

>>78023741
Exactly those things.

>>78023802
>>78023741
>>78023802
>feel like shit b/c had food poisoning last night
>everyone on Periscope is screaming
I only follow the comfy ones.

>>77958296
Sure, I just haven't found one yet. I'll update it as soon as I find a better qt.

>>77999559
rewd! It's just a start, I wanted to contribute somehow. When I get further along it will develop more. You can always make one too!

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