/lang/ - Language Learning

>>77492621
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

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>>77492633
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

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Thirst for best Emma.

Good morning, bros. How are your studies progressing?

I have recently discovered Lingvist and like it more than Duolingo. Although it's not as fun it seems more logical and productive since it asks you to produce TL words rather than Duolingo which in my experience mostly asks you to translate from your TL.

https://mega.nz/#!yYlwTDoR!YyDW_6MyErnYoKk-O8WPOqdlEQfJ4oqkeLUapCYkwgw

for that one Australian, the thread died yesterday I don't know if you did get a chance to see my post

Estou procurando alguma série ou filme em português (do brasil) que possa assistir no Netflix, além de 3%. Alguma recomendação?

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>>77493599
It's progressing slowly but I've just started about a month ago. I enjoy Lingvist also, but I use both assuming that multiple tools is a better approach. Lingvist is comfy though and I like that it is something you can do when you just have a few minutes free and your phone handy.

>>77493599
Lingvist is good, but it sort of bugs me how you only get one sentence per word you learn. There's just not much variation.

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How do i learn farsi

>>77496094
>American
Enjoy getting surveyed by Iranian KGB.
>Unfortunately, American citizens must by accompanied by a guide at all times while they are in Iran. This doesn’t me you need to have an extremely structured itinerary (although the itinerary will need to be approved) but your guide must join you as you explore new cities and sites if you stray from the group. Work closely with your guide and tour company to plan your trip so you don’t miss anything while on your group tour.
http://triphackr.com/how-to-travel-to-iran-as-an-american/

>>77496271
I just want to fuck some aryan ass
Should i learn russian instead

>>77496455
You should neck yourself, fat virgin.

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Every fucking time I see or hear the word кeҥeж [keŋež - "summer"], I can't help but hear a distant "WE WUZ" before that keŋ syllable.

Has 4chan ruined any other syllables for you?

>>77496094

Easypersian.com

>>77493706


>https://mega.nz/#!yYlwTDoR!YyDW_6MyErnYoKk-O8WPOqdlEQfJ4oqkeLUapCYkwgw

Whats this?

>>77496722
Dutch books and comics

How do I learn hungarian?

inb4 hang yourself

>>77497419
check the google drive, there should tons of books for Hungarian there

and have this nice Hungarian summer song:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrGS9EARHRc

>>77496094
Like other anon said, easpypersian.com
Complete persian (Modern Persian/Farsi) isn't great, but it's ok. Lonely Planet's Farsi phrasebook is, well, just that, with a tiny bit of grammar.
Radio: http://radio.garden/live/tehran/
Use Pimsleur.

Tbh, just use all the resources you find usable in here:
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fe6umhr6rvw7pn2/AACM15bieW1xO1LZiJ28Qh_Qa?dl=0

>>77497705
What made you learning Farsi?

>>77498039
Going to iran next year, also general interest in the culture/language. What about you (assuming you're studying it)

>>77498218
I'm not studying it, however a family member of mine is married to an Iranian. No idea if he's learning it.

>>77498311
Ah, what language are you learning then?Or did you just randomly see this thread along with "persian/farsi" and went "I'm going in"

>>77498484
I'm the Turkish learner.

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>>77498585
>>77498484
What's up with all of this Dutch orientalism ITT?

Not that I'm complaining, after all my favorite painter was an orientalboo.

>>77498920
Coincidence probably. I'm pretty sure I've seen a spanish-learning dutchflag too.

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>Russian

Should I just accept the idea I will never pronunce the words the way they should be ? There are too much retarded rules

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>>77500356
At least it has rules unlike English.

>>77500356
Post vocaroo:
>Пpивeт, мeня зoвyт ..., я из Фpaнции, я yчy pyccкий язык.

>>77500509
>tumblr-tier comics
Döda dig.

>>77500570
Too ashamed of my gay-sounding voice to do that desu

>>77500570
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0mYq27sBM7k

>>77500750
I did it, so can you. And I'm not even learning the language, I just learned the alphabet a long time ago.

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>>77500774
that's not a gay-sounding voice though

>>77500750
Je te prie, mec ;)
>>77500774
Not bad for someone who "only" learnt the alphabet. Although it's Гoллaндии, not Хoллaндии.

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>>77500864
http://vocaroo.com/i/s05CMoulz6NS
n-no bully

>>77501034
I like the Pepes you posted

Anyone here learn any Indian/south Asian languages? How difficult did you find them, are there many complex rules or is it fairly straightforward?

To narrow it down I'm interested in Hindi/Urdu or Panjabi
>Soon to be the majority languages in my cunt

>>77501034
>il ne peut pas même appeler son prénom
Pédé. En tout cas, ton accent est assez bon, et il ne sonne pas homosexuel du tout.

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>>77501289
It's gonna be hard Anon

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>>77501311
desu my name is weird in russian (Thomas - Фoмa )

>>77501289
If you want to learn Hindi or Urdu the main choice I think is whether you like Devanagari or Perso-Arabic script more. Devanagari suits Hindustani phonology much better, while Perso-Arabic is esthetically more pleasing (but it has lots of shortcomings, honestly speaking).

Hindustani has case markers, it has masculine and feminine genders, makes use of postpositions instead of prepositions; it has nasal vowels, retroflex consonants, and it makes distinction between aspirated and non-aspirated sounds.
>>77501370
Non, c'est normal.

>>77492621
Most foreign people can't speak Russian without accent even if they are 100% grammar fluent,
but Russian of theese two guys are AMAZING

it's hard to believe that they are not native speakers and didn't grow up here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo6aCw7PaWI


I know another one (I meant him talking about "two guys") but I can't find yet, it's an american photografer

>>77501504
Except he's got a villager's rustic intonations and manner of speech.

>>77501504
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUiNdrBTL_o he speaks the native language

so it's not a trick, or fake

he just perfect in Russian

>>77501504
>>77501622
neat

>>77501622
His parents moved there in 1994 so that guy is more or less native

Any tips for learning the horrid vocab of a language that is German?
>auffassen, erfassen, fassen
this kind of shit that I always have to Google to find out the difference in meaning it has only to the natives... it's fucking enraging

>>77503099
Who are you btw? And what are you doing in Austria?

>>77503168
Croatian, but living here for now.

>>77503187
https://hinative.com/en-US/questions/564175

>>77503099
I think you simply have to learn it the hard way

Come to think of it, it's pretty similar to phrasal verbs in English (to give up, to give in, to hang up, to hang out, to hang in, etc.). All of those have entirely different meanings, and in many cases of the exact preposition/particle is completely unrelated to the meaning of the phrasal verb.

It's the same in German, only that prepositions and particles go at the beginning of the verb rather than after, so you have aufmachen, zumachen, ausmachen, einmachen, etc., and just like English there are many cases where the exact preposition/particle seems unrelated to the meaning of the verb. Also, in case you're unaware, when they're conjugated the preposition/particle goes to the end of the sentence (e.g. "Ich mache das Fenster zu.", which means "I close the window.", from the verb "zumachen").

Of course, just like with phrasal verbs in English, there are also many cases where the preposition/particle makes perfect sense, e.g. "mitkommen" which means "to come with".

>>77503484
That was just an example though, I wanna know if there exists a simpler way to learn this kind of crap? I already went on the same link today though lol

>>77503099
German learner here. I find it difficult too. More times than not though, a lot of them are synonyms or so close in meaning that it's not a huge deal if you don't get them.

>fassen: to grasp
>erfassen: to catch/grab
>auffassen: to grasp (knowledge/understanding)
All are based on fassen which is the root so all of them will have something to do with "holding on" or "grabbing". context should provide enough info for when auffassen means in terms of understanding.
>>77503630
This. He explains it better than me.

>>77503630
The same in Dutch so things like this when I learned German always came natural to me.

>>77503771
Do Dutch verbs often use the same prepositions/particles as their German counterpart? For example, how would you say that sentence in Dutch ("Ich mache das Fenster zu.")?

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>>77503630
Damnit. Takes a lot of time to learn those and internalize and be able to use each and every verb and nuance of it. Took me a long time to acquire that kind knowledge in English. And I kind of need German now. Aber ja alledings kann ich schon genügend Deutsch, aber da besteht denn dieses Wortschatzproblem, und es ist schwierig sich genau ausdrücken zu können, ohne wie ein Flüchtling zu klingen...

>>77503913
Often yes.
Common would be 'Ik doe het raam dicht' but more close to your sentence 'ik maak het venster dicht'.

>>77504023
Dutch sounds to me like German with English pronunciation in many instances and with many more ch's unlike in German, how'd you describe? Was thinking of learning Dutch after becoming good enough in German.

>>77504218
German's retarded little brother.

>>77504020
>Took me a long time to acquire that kind knowledge in English
I'd say, for German, just continue learning core vocabulary. Unlike English phrasal verbs, separable verbs in German are treated as being different from non-separable verbs (so "machen" and "zumachen" are different verbs). Therefore, if you continue learning the most common German verbs, you'll be able to learn the relevant separable ones, which should help you with most situations you're likely to encounter IRL. And with time, as long as you keep expanding your vocab, eventually you'll learn more and more.

For now, I'd recommend just focusing on learning the most relevant verbs, without paying too much heed to whether or not they're separable.

>>77504020
>>77504430
http://www.thegermanprofessor.com/top-100-german-verbs/

Here's an example of what I meant. In that list, you have "sehen", "aussehen" and "ansehen", all listed as being different verbs from one another. And as you can see, there aren't that many separable verbs in the top 100.

>>77504264
ayy
>>77504518
Alright fair enough, sound advice. Danks mate

Obligatory telegram group shill.

https://t.me/joinchat/EfK1jEP62gdzqVlszCZ2cw

Shitposting and occasional /lang/ discussion, feel free to come join us.

Hey there's some German verb questions so I'll toss mine in: is there a clue or hint on how to remember reflexive verbs? It seems just brute force memorization since they make no sense. ex. Ich schaue mir den Fernsehen an. I have no idea why this requires reflexivity.

>>77507975
>telegram
what is it?

>>77508018
If it's like French then I don't think there's any way other than brute force memorization. Probably if you look at the etymology of the verb then you can figure it out, but doing so would obviously be even more hassle than simply memorizing if it's reflexive or not.

>>77508018
https://deutsch.lingolia.com/de/grammatik/verben/reflexive
https://www.lsa.umich.edu/german/hmr/Grammatik/Reflexiv/Reflexiv.html

>>77509056
Just a messaging app for mobile, web, PC

>>77493599
Don't you people ever get tired of pissing away time on shitty gimmicks? All you need is an introductory grammar guide, a decent grammar reference, a decent dictionary tool, a metric arseload of reading and a spaced repetition revision tool for rapid vocab acquisition.
All of those shitty programs like Duolingo are artificially slowing you down will providing a false sense of progression. If you want to get better at a language, you need to fucking read. A lot. It's the most effective method.

>>77509056
Telegram is a transmission of written messages by signal, wire or broadcast

>>77509773
Agreed on Duolingo, it does strike me as a bit gimmicky, but speaking > reading imo

Reading is good, but actually having to synthesise your own sentences in target language is the natural progression of this. Having a penpal is good to start with because you have the time to make sure the messages you're writing are correct. Eventually moving onto spoken conversations means you'll have to be confident in the sentences you create and produce the language fast enough to not sound like a disabled person. That's obviously harder, but much more rewarding.

That said, I guess it depends on what your goals are. Some people might only need to be able to read a language

>>77509773
>>77510877
Duolingo isn't my favorite either. I find it annoying and it doesn't seem to work all that well for me. Lingvist is less gimmicky, in my opinion. You read, you learn vocab (spaced repetition). It's not a comprehensive tool, none of them are, but it's useful. When you finish you have 5,000 words and every card is a sentence you have to read. Not bad really.

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Have started learning Welsh, does anyone have any tips? This is where i'm at on duolingo right now

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>>77514533
>>77510877
Tatoeba is clearly better than both Lingvist and Clozemaster, for the simple reason that it actually has sentences in Mari.

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What language should I learn if I want to meet the weeb girl of my dreams?

>>77514765
You already know how to read the alphabet, right? Wiktionary and some other sites has some useful notes on Welsh, mostly mutations:

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Welsh_mutations
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Welsh_conjugation
http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/guides/zsv8wmn/revision
http://www.fanad.net/mut01.pdf

I'm still finding a Welsh forum.

>>77516506
are you a viet

>>77517262
Yes, I am hanging here quite often. You can ask the Canadian.

>>77509773
Lingvist *is* spaced-repetition software.

The advantage it has over other SRS software is that the wordlist is a frequency dictionary (most common words) compiled by datamining real sources like websites and it teaches
you the most common words first. In other words it's a better SRS. It also has a grammar reference for the words you learn.

The only problem is that they are going to start charging for it one day, but it's still free at the moment.

toki! tenpo mute pini la, jan pi tomo toki ni li toki e ijo pi toki pali, li kama sona e ona. jan ni o, tenpo ni la, sina li lon ni anu seme? tenpo ni la, sina pali e seme?

I used to study japanese with a digital copy of genki, but I just have a difficult time being consistent with a digital textbook. I finally bought a physical copy and it's a lot better for me

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TRANSLATE PLZ

>>77520073
Boolits

1. Prospective model of the ballistic knife for civilian purpose.
Ammo: 9x17 or 9x18 PM with smoothbore tube 12.7x35
Signal 15mm bullets
2. Spring-loaded ballistic knife
3. Pneumatic ballistic knife

>>77501503
retroflex consonants make it sound like you are doing a racist accent lmao, i use it all the time

>>77520280
>>77520073
*for civilian use

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Let's have some nice language gainz today /lang/bros

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>>77520280
>>77520595
awesome bro thanks

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>>77520280
>>77520595
now this plz

>>77520869
Maybe someone else will do, I'm at work.

Any good French youtubers who do history stuff?

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Pimsleur doesn't give enough time to respond. I need a second to think when first learning something new. I realize fast responses are normal in conversation, but, damn.

>>77503099
Ich fasse mir an den Kopft, dass du nicht erfasst, was der Unterschied ist

>>77522412
https://www.youtube.com/user/notabenemovies

>>77527402
>speaking practice
>1 hour
man, I don't even speak ANY language for that much time in any given day, let alone a language I'm in the process of learning

>>77528514
You'd have to be in a very specialized course or have access to natives in order to undergo such a hardcore routine, so 1 hour of practice wouldn't be that much in practice.

What is genuinely better between french and german.

I feel like France offers far more in a cultural and country sense but also it seems to be the most doomed country in Europe. While Germany might be able to sort itself

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What language(s) are you guys learning?

I'm learning Icelandic, it's pretty easy when you already speak a north germanic language. Might learn Finnish when I become somewhat fluent in Icelandic.

>>77521494
I'll just wait for you to get off work then :D

Why is Russian such an impossible language?

Thinking of simply quitting at this point.

>>77534142
What's giving you trouble?

I used to think italian was an easy language, but articles and pronouns seems messy. Verbs look easy though.

>>77534142
it's hard as fuck and im losing motivation too...i need a break and think if i really want to learn.

Anyone here studied intermidate french 1. Im thinking of choosing it as a humanity elective. What do they teach at this class?

>>77533593
They're both doomed tbqhwy familia
Idk though Spanish and Russian seem like decent options

>>77533593
Learn French if you're interested in things that already exist. German only in case of specific scientific/philosophical fields interesting you.

If you're looking towards the future, learn neither.

>>77539702
aka Arabic

Could anyone elaborate on the meaning of "out" in the English language, ex. worn vs worn out? Does "out" in this kind of usage signify an end/completion of something? BLEASE :DD

>>77534142
You might have reached a learning plateau.
Keep going, watch movies, books, anything about Russian culture. It's quite honestly a great language with a great culture. Remind yourself why you started learning it.

>>77534142
Russian is like German, with a 10x harder grammar. aka almost impossible to get down unless native. Too many cases n shiiiet. Inflections etc. Takes time to get that shit down. Then again for how long've you been learning? If you spent at least a year don't give up, otherwise it'll all be in vain buddy.

>>77541183
something 'final' while a jacket is worn, its still not in rags. a 'worn out' jacket is completely worn

im not an english expert

I realized today to become somewhat proficient in the future I really need to devote more time than tops 30 minutes a day
.

>>77533824
What's the point of learning Icelandic as a Dane though? It's like learning Czech as a Slovak or something. Seems pointless.

>cases
eww fuck that
thank god Swedish is a minimalist language

>>77541183
if something is WORN it is damaged (typically from age). if something is WORN OUT it can mean that something is so damaged that it's almost unusable. you're right that "out" can signify an end or completion of something. the word "out" after a verb or adjective can change the meaning: see put out, worn out, cut out.
I'd like to add that "worn out" has another meaning: if someone is worn out, it means they're extremely exhausted/tired. note that you cant describe a person as "worn." you must say that they look "worn out."

>>77541470
I like the language and icelanders don't speak danish well, so I don't think it's pointless at all.

>>77541470
viking LARP

>>77541718
I thought Danish is a mandatory subject in Iceland schools

>>77541770
It is but they're still bad at it, and they don't like the language.
It's the same case with german in denmark, it's a mandatory subject but only about 1 in 10 can actually have something resembling a conversation in the language.

>>77541617
Thanks Ameribro. Couldn't think of a better saying than worn out at the time, but you get what I meant.

>>77541858
You have two mandatory languages? As I language learner I wish I was a Dane now. And for... other reasons...

>>77541932
b-but i wrote the exact same thing

>>77541986
Try the netherlands. Dutch, English is creeping more and more into elementary school too (only the last grade when I was in, but I hear it's been more in the past few years). Then you go to highschool and end up with German, English and French in addition to Dutch. You get to drop one of either German or French later if you want, but that's still at least 2 foreign languages.

I'm pretty far in German, I took two years in HS and one in college; in addition to some independent study over the years. But I've almost never have used it and it is hard keeping motivated when the only thing I can really aspire to do with it is read newspapers and a few books in the original language

I really need to go there and speak it, but that's going to be impossible for the next several years and interpals/mylanguageexchange hasn't worked for me in finding German speakers. thoughts, input?

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>>77542016
Sry bro, didn't quite understand yours.

>>77542171
Yeah, sucks to be born in a shitty slavic country, you only get to learn English aside your shitty language no one's even heard about. You're lucky (imo)

>>77542171
We aswell have to learn english and either german or spanish and many people still learn latin in middle school and high school.

>>77542417
Italki should work out for you as a native. I wasn't able to find anyone myself, since I can offer non-native English and Croatian, ain't nobody got time for that.

Give it a try

>>77542417
At least 25% of Americans have German ancestry. Try older people, they still might know the language.

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>>77542515
The way we were taught latin in HS made me almost fail the class how uninterested in the language I was. Hadn't I copied a classmate's test I would've had to take remedy classes kek.

>>77542559
>m-muh

>>77542518
not familiar with the program; do you mean as a native English speaker I would be desirable to German speakers?

>>77542559
>At least 25% of Americans have German ancestry. Try older people, they still might know the language.

I do have to apologize as I know you mean well, but I don't think you understand what that means in the context of the US. I am Pennsylvania Dutch, and am a bit of an outlier in that regards, but it is very different and I don't really want to go into detail with it

>>77542603
Definitely. Just go to Italki.com and look up some people who're interested in improving their accent.

>>77542809
You mean the WW1 and WW2 problems?
Anyway good luck.

>>77542891
More than that, our substantial waves of German immigration were so long ago that you'd be hard pressed to find German speakers, WWI/WWII are part of it, but so is time; there hasn't been significant immigration since the '50s. A "German-American"-'s family could've come anywhere between the end of the 17th century to the present day; it's irrelevant to German speaking abilities

thank you, good luck with which ever language it was exactly that brought you to this thread

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do you think my low quality OC is correct?

>>77543736
It can't be wrong when you don't indicate what the colors mean.

Ктo здecь yчитcя pyccкий язык? Я eгo плoхo гoвopю, нo я yлyчшaю.

>>77543776
thought it'd be obvious.
red = English
dark blue = French
orange = Spanish
purple = Portuguese
green = Arabic
light blue = Russian
yellow = German

>>77543736
Arabic is too different between dialects for that green mass to mean anything. Does Finland really speak English that well? I've never heard of it being common there despite Scandinavian + Dutch speaking it well

>>77543736
dälet dis

>>77543841
you're correct in the sense that a Moroccan guy and a Yemeni guy couldn't understand each other well if they spoke in their dialects, but as far as I know, somewhat educated Arabs can just switch to Modern Standard Arabic when such a situation is at hand

>>77543839
Do you generally not speak english very well in turkey?

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>>77543736
Updated your francophonie.

>>77544046
In multilingual areas I just put the most commonly spoken language's color there.
For example, there's also a decent number of English speakers in Cameroon, but they're outnumbered by French speakers.

still thanks tho

took four years of spanish and would consider myself fluent, but outside of school how do i keep it up? looking for movies podcasts etc pls thx

>>77544046
wow......beutiful.......

The "best" French in Quebec (best as in likeness to Metropolitan Parisian French) is Montreal. Quebec City is also pretty good but still distinctly Quebecois. Trois Rivieres and the region between the two cities are the worst places to learn French probably in the entirety of the French speaking world. The villages up north and on the Gaspe peninsula are pretty bad too. Mostly wealthier Haitians speak standard French, the common Creole is very different. Canadian French communities outside Quebec tend to speak more standard French

>>77544037
no, not really.

I honestly am deciding between Turkish and French

>>77544436
French, it's right south of you

>>77544222
>Canadian French communities outside Quebec tend to speak more standard French
completely and utterly wrong

Acadian French is way more non-standard, and some dialects such as Chiac can't even be counted as being French given how far removed they are.

Also, the French spoken by ethnic Québécois in Montréal is barely any different from that spoken in any city in Québec, including smaller and more distant ones such as Sept-Îles. It only starts getting noticeably thicker when you go in rural areas, but that's not confined to any specific location (and what I mean by that is that a farmer in L'Épiphanie, right outside Montreal, will likely have a thicker accent than an urban person all the way in Val-d'Or).

The only dialect in Quebec which is really substantially different is that spoken in the Magdalen Islands. Other than that, you may have thicker accents in some parts, but the differences are still minor all things considered.

>>77544491
>Acadian French is way more non-standard, and some dialects such as Chiac can't even be counted as being French given how far removed they are.

I didn't mean Acadian, I meant French-speakers out on the Prairie and out west. No one could think Acadian is closer to standard French

>>77544472
yeah but something about Turkey just fascinates me...been there 4 times and I'm only 18. But France and it's culture and literature seems cool to me as well. I may be visiting paris in a couple of months as well for the first time since I was seven (or a first time visit to Rome)- I could see that as starting point

>>77492621
recommend me a book for greek

>>77544563
I really don't see how you can perceive their French as being more standard, to my Québécois ears it sounds extremely similar to Québec French:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGY-lP08W8M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-OwH-ksZhk

Which makes sense, since those communities were all originally settled by Québécois during the 19th century.

in your opinion, which language has the better aesthetic: French or Italian? I don't care about practicality, I just want to learn the one that has the superior culture/literature/etc. Italian sounds better to my ears but I really like the look of written French

>>77545106
this is a tough one
both are I assume great places to visit, and their languages not so difficult, but since you are asking for opinions I say Italian

>>77545106
both have great cuisine, great scenery, interesting history and cultural heritage. It's impossible to say one is better than the other, so just pick the one you like the most.

>>77545106
>aesthetic
>I really like the look of written French

The dirty secret of French(don't take it to seriously):

https://youtu.be/djbM_H1MxsY?t=2m22s

>>77545106
>aesthetic
French is like a prog math metal group which plays too much confusing non related accords that sounds like shit and no one understands, yet they insist that they are "advanced and sophisticated"
Italian is the better choice

also non related any good books on German / Italian?
also songs in these langs would be great

Has anyone here had any experience with LingQ?

Is it any good?

>>77543813
>yчитcя pyccкий язык?
Reflexive verbs cannot take a direct object in the accusative case. You must use the direct object in the dative and/or an indirect object.
>Ктo здecь yчитcя pyccкoмy языкy (c пpeпoдaвaтeлeм)?
>Who studies Russian here (with a tutor)?

Or just say Ктo здecь yчит pyccкий язык? Non-reflexive verbs CAN take direct objects in the accusative case.

Another example:
>Я люблю eгo (I love him) - direct object in the accusative
>Я влюбляюcь в нeгo (I'm falling in love with him) - indirect object in the accusative

>Я eгo плoхo гoвopю, нo я yлyчшaю.
Wrong.
>Я плoхo гoвopю нa нём, нo я paбoтaю нaд ним/нaд этим
"I speak bad Russian (=нём, "it"), but I'm working on it"

*Гoвopить + direct object in the accusative means "to say/to tell sth": Я гoвopю пpaвдy "I'm saying/telling the truth"
*Гoвopить + direct object in the dative means "to tell someone": Я гoвopю тeбe (dative) пpaвдy (accusative) "I'm telling you the truth"
*Гoвopить + c + indirect object in the instrumental means "to speak with someone": Пoгoвopи c ним (instrumental) o нeй (prepositional) "Speak with him about her"
*Гoвopить + нa + X (языкe) in the prepositional OR гoвopить + пo + shortened form of the language adjective (without the final -й): Я гoвopю нa pyccкoм (языкe) OR Я гoвopю пo-pyccки I speak Russian.
Note that you can use only the first variant with pronouns (you cannot say *Я гoвopю пo-нём "I speak it") and non-adjective language names (Я гoвopю нa ивpитe/хинди/ypдy "I speak Hebrew/Hindi/Urdu").

>>77545834
Your language is so beautiful, that I even enjoy the brutal hits it delivers to my brain.

>>77545834

this dude dropping the most informative, depressing russian lessons

appreciate it, dude lel

>>77545949
Even many Russians make mistakes, including in the official documentation.
A very common mistake is using coглacнo "according to" with a complement in the genitive instead of the dative:
*coглacнo oтчётa 'soglasno otchota' instead of the correct coглacнo oтчётy 'soglasno otchotu' meaning "according to the report"

>>77545106
I plan on learning both actually but I am starting with French, it has more learning resources and shared vocabulary which really helps in learning

French has better literature and films than Italy but both are very good

>>77546044
Thanks lel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taXMlDALt20

Mari clubs seem like interesting places.

[гapмoнь intensifies]

what's your favorite dead / classical language?

>>77551549
french

>>77551549
Well, seeing as I'm a native speaker of a Romance language and I've learned a second Romance language, I can't help but feel like Latin is the only acceptable answer for me. But I also am quite intrigued by Sumerian. Also Classical Nahuatl is really neat, but I mostly say that just because of the noble language/poetry (called "tecpillahtolli"). I can't honestly say I'm all that interested in present-day Nahuatl.

>>77551593
delet

>>77533966
I think he has other priorities no offense

>>77544618
Do French.

Question for anybody who speaks an Uralic language: does the language you speak have very extensive vocabulary for describing family relations?

Mari does, for example there's a specific word for "maternal uncle's wife" (чӱчӱньӧ, čüčüńö), and based on my quick research Russian doesn't seem to have such vocabulary. I'm wondering if this is a trait shared by other Finno-Ugrics, or perhaps if it's borrowed from Turkic languages or something.

Why are weebs obsessed with anki?

>>77553673
not a weeb but

1. it's useful, even if you're not a weeb.
2. there's tons of weeb stuff on it.

also the name is japanese iirc so that probably attracts them subconsciously or something.

>>77552489
It's worth a shot.

>>77501504
What about Ville Haapasalo?

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>>77553744
hello finlan, please answerings >>77553543

Regards,
questionanon

>>77553543
Turkish has this

>>77553543
Nah dude ours is just kinda like english
We have a few words which I don't think have an equivalent though, like:
Vej: Daughter's Husband
Sógor: Sibling's Wife/Husband or Wife/Husband's Sibling

>>77545696

no one?

>>77554379
I tried it years ago and didn't like it (Russian), but I didn't exactly give it a long shot.

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>>77553543
Pic related is the family in Farsi, which can get quite extensive as well. Not quite what you asked for, but still.

>>77553543
Maternal uncle's wife in Russian is called "yйкa" or "вyйкa". Most Russians are unaware of this word.

>At dentist's waiting room
>man and woman having hushed conversation that might just be farsi
>too shy to ask because what if it isn't

Anyone know where I can get human japanese for free?
There's a free lite version but it's only 8 of the 40 chapters and it seems a fairly good program I'm just broke and can't afford to buy it.

>>77493706
ah heel erg bedankt

't is niet beschikbaar

>>77556756
>>77556649
I already deleted it ;(

>>77556781
what was in it?
thinking about just getting some basic/intermediate books in Dutch, I mostly understand the grammar but I just need to learn more words.
what would you recommend?
m'n vriendin gaat naar A'dam in November dus kan ik vragen voor wat boeken.

>>77551549
Gothic

>>77556820
Books and comics, if you have patience I'll do it again

>>77556834
I don't really like comics to be honest, which books? If you have any under 100~ pages otherwise I'll probably get frustrated until I'm fluent.

>>77556884

Comics includes Donald Duck and Belgian comics.

For the books; a bit of everything, i'm afraid the books are longer.

https://lingvist.com/blog/science/2017/03/15/how-long-does-it-really-take-to-learn-2000-words/
>Using our data, we tried to figure out an average time estimate and we found that over the last year, it has taken most people 17 hours for people to reach 2000 words.

Thanks to forちゃん I recently started using clozemaster, I think it's quite good, but I first have to go through the stuff I already know well, I can't just skip to my level. I use it for Russian and Chinese. For Chinese I use HSK6 vocabulary, it already has a great help, but Russian I just click "set to 100% mastered" for most of the sentences, since I'm quite communicative and learning Russian for quite a few years since then.

Anyway I just started and I'm not aware of all of the functions. How do you guys use it? Is it really that good as the above says? Oh, I also tried it for Japanese since I learned some basics. But it doesn't seem to have that much of a help

>>77556918
fuck it, upload the comics and just give me the names of the books you'd recommend and I'll get my girlfriend to buy them in NL.
as long as it's not shitty belgian dutch in the comics haha

>>77556971
I guess you could ask your gf for the classic 'Kruistocht in spijkerbroek' a book meant for teenagers. Also other books by Thea Beckman, they're good.

>>77557006
awesome
if you could upload the comics that'd be great
thanks

>>77555935
just say "hello" in whatever language you think they are speaking

if it is not farsi, just say ^____^ oh heheheehe sorry I thought you were speaking farsi, hehehe I'm learning it

they will think you are kawaii

>>77557068
Don't worry it is underway.

>>77544436
don't learn Turkish

I am learning Korean. It is very fucking difficult because I'm an English speaker. I also want to learn Swedish or German.

Currently trying to grind Kanji for the 100th time.
Really getting far this time, already at 500.
Hoping to actually start learning some Japanese this time.

>>77557068
https://mega.nz/#!iZdkiSoI!5XPiYy5zbY4mIh8M1sEvNuFPGLYiHOAFs-lgek-eOWM

Part1 the comics
yes part 1, part 2 the books comes later

Trying to learn German, been studying basically every day for the past month, but fuck me am I finding it difficult to concentrate today.
What are some ways to get back on track lads.

>>77559539
Just keep going, once you get past a certain point it's easy.
Just add a few to Anki every day.

>>77559795
What's tripping you up?
I started learning German again after studying it in secondary school. I'm enjoying it because I remember more than I thought I did, and I find the grammar a lot easier to understand as an adult.

I'm learning Idiom Neutral.

I've been compiling a lot of resources over the last few months and I wondered if any of you lads would like to give me a hand sorting them, in a spreadsheet or something like that.
https://pastebin.com/qJAxwkNN (Saved in ANSI so characters look like shit)

hola hispanohablantes

sándwich o emparedado?

>>77545834
Oчeнь cпacибo! Эти вeликиe ypoки имeют

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>>77560915
I hope it's emparedado. es más lindo.

>>77561050
Anon, for a Croatian, you managed to produce probably the least intelligible Russian sentence I've ever seen in these threads.

"Cпacибo" is a noun, so it cannot be modified like an adverb or adjective would. Apply the modifier "бoльшoй" instead, in the neuter gender: "cпacибo бoльшoe".

>Эти вeликиe ypoки имeют
translates to "These eminent lessons have/possess". Possess what? The phrase is mysterious, so I cannot correct it.

In the first place, it is not typical for Russian to make use of the verb "имeть" in everyday language. You should use "ecть" (a form of "быть") instead.

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>>77551549
latin
t.rve roman

If I'm learning Spanish, at what point should I try Hispanchan? B1?

Does 4chan help non-native English speakers practice? Or does the bad grammar and shitposting confuse things more than help in the beginning?

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Have a nice day with /lang/ gainz

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>>77560915
>>77562055
sanguchito

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>>77563339
No entiendo.

Los personas aquí dice emparadados pequeños es "bocaditos"

es muy lindo.

>>77562777
Latin isn't dead, it just evolved.

>>77555508
Are you sure you didn't misspell it or something? Google gave no relevant results whatsoever for those two spellings.

>>77555197
That's pretty neat

>>77555508
>>77565252
oh nevermind, I forgot that 4chan turns cyrillic a into a Latin a for some reason.

>>77560915
sánguches

>>77560575
late reply, since I figured my waning concentration was due to a lack of sleep. had a nap.
nothing in particular is tripping me up, I'm working through a grammar textbook at a reasonable pace. although some of the rules seem slightly irritating, it's all fairly logical.
i suppose it might just be fatigue. i've been concentrating on grammar an awful lot and not enough on vocab. is there a 'starter list' of sorts of vocab I should concentrate on, or should I just try and pick up what I see along the way?

>>77565423
Honestly I'm on the fence about claiming that the modern Russian language has any sort of extensive kinship vocabulary. Most of it has been considered rustic for the past 150 years and consciously avoided in order to make the Russian language more "European" sounding, so in practice there's a lot of words in the dictionary that no one uses except for backwards village dwellers. Some people actually think the expanded kinship vocabulary comes from some sort of "Mongolian" (it's actually Proto-Slavic), which is also hated. Mongolian influence is generally hated.

Learning Russian, currently working on my B1 level. Fun language. For those of you that want to learn it, I 100% advise you to use this website: https://pushkininstitute.ru/

It's free, paid by the Russian government, you can study from 0 to university level. There are some bugs and they don't even give a shit, even though I've tried to help. You'll need a Russian mate to help you out.

Read more about it here http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/Russian (I wrote the pushkin part)

Thoughts on learning two languages at once?

>>77557068
>>77559606
part 2 a load of dutch books
https://mega.nz/#!6MdAwDZb!QkogW-YSJJa3DO41B1yykCF8brh-xjHKiZlanb7zze8

>>77569015
You'll never learn either of them

>>77569015
You will learn both of them.

>>77569015
If you only want to learn the basics of each language, sure. If you want to go deep, forget it. I tried with Russian and German, I dropped German, since I was mixing up a lot of shit. If you want to be fluent in one language, put 100% of your work there.

You lads know of any good German exercise books? I've got a fairly good grammar book, but the 'exercises' at the end are pretty bleak.

>>77569624
>>77569686
>>77569766
One is french - seems simple enough and I'm already intermediate (although rusty) and the other one is russian - I have no trouble understanding it due to similarities with polish but otherwise I'm a complete beginner.

Can't fucking decide, I don't want to abandon french and lose my foundation but Russian seems more fun and actually useful.

>>77567939
>Mongolian influence is generally hated.
Memes aside, what sort of Mongolian influence is there in present-day Russian? Personally I'm quite fond of the Mongolian language, though intuitively it seems more likely that Russian would have only some very indirect Mongolian influence (via Turkic influence) rather than direct Mongolian influence.

>>77569922
80% effort into the hardest
20% into the other

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>can read, write, and speak Danish just fine
>have trouble understanding a word whenever it's spoken to me

>>77569922
Trust me, just focus on French and actually get good at it. You can of course split your time on two languages instead and get nowhere. You already have a strongish basis in French as you say, just go with it.

>>77570056
>kamelåså intensifies

>>77570091
chuckled

How close are Slovene and Croatian? I know that they're based on two different south slavic dialects, but I want to learn them and was mostly wondering which is better to start with.

>>77570056
danes tend to speak quite fast which is most of the reason why swedes and norwegians have such a hard time understanding us. If you're talking to a dane, just ask if they could slow down and I'm sure you could understand what they're saying.

>>77569922
You're going to have trouble with Russian. I know that because I can't write Spanish, I write a mixture of Spanish, Portuguese and a few Spanish dialects. It's hard as fuck for someone to learn a language so close to your own. Stay with French, drop Russian. Yeah it's cool, but you already know a slav language, you should broaden your horizons.

>>77570056
Like you had to spend hours reading/writing Danish, you have to spend hours listening to it. The way I learnt English was through watching tons of movies/shows with English subtitles. Try it out.

>>77570152
Croatian seems like the obvious choice . Though IIRC, most educational material for learners is "Serbo-Croatian" rather than specifically Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian/Montenegrin/etc. The languages are supposed to be extremely similar, after all /ex-yu/ seem to understand each other perfectly without any hassle when they're spamming their srvin/crvati/bosonoc gimmicks. And I think most Serbo-Croatian material uses Latin rather than cyrillic, so you don't need to worry about that (and, if I'm not mistaken, even Serbian officially accepts Latin, even if Cyrillic is their main script).

>>77562663
Great corrections.
>You should use "ecть" (a form of "быть") instead.
Быть is by no means an equivalent of имeть.
And it's used 99% of the time only in the past/future tense (and even then it's not obligatory).
>>77568223
Looks interesting, João. Post some example
exercises.

>>77570056
You must be exaggerating

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I think the most glaring mistake foreigners do using Russian, is neglecting the possessive pronoun cвoй and overusing possessive pronouns in general.

To understand how it works, you should understand that Russians like cutting corners (both literally and figuratively).
In Germanic and Romance languages using possessives or the definite articles to describe one's body part is obligatory. In Russian it's obligatory to avoid possessives unless it's absolutely necessary to avoid ambiguity.
I hurt my leg / J'ai blessé ma jambe / Я yшиб нoгy
He wounded his arm / Il a eu une blessure à son bras / Oн пopaнил pyкy

Here it's by default implied that the leg and the arm belong to the subjects of the sentences. If you put the possessive pronoun мoй in the first example (Я yшиб мoю нoгy), it would be a grave stylistic mistake. You would be understood but it sounds very robotic, unnatural and reeks of bad foreign accent. NEVER use мoй/мoeгo/мoeмy/etc if it refers to the 1st person subject, use cвoй/cвoeгo/cвoeмy instead: Я yшиб cвoю нoгy. This variant is totally fine even though not necessary.
If you add the pronoun eгo in the second example, it will sound very awkward since it changes meaning. If you literally translate English "He wounded his arm" into Russian as Oн пopaнил eгo pyкy it would imply that he wounded someone else's arm, not his own. To avoid this kind of misunderstanding you: a) don't use the possessive at all; b) use the possessive cвoй.

to be continued

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>>77570453
Cвoй doesn't have a direct equivalent in English but it can be translated as my/your/his/her/its/our/their depending on the context.
The key distinction is cвoй is used when the subject and the determiner are the same thing; if the subject and the determiner are different, use мoй/твoй/eгo/eё/etc.
Example:
Дaшa дaлa Aнe cвoй дилдo. Dasha gave Anya her (=Dasha's) dildo.
Дaшa дaлa Aнe oбpaтнo eё дилдo. Dasha gave Anya back her (=Anya's) dildo OR Dasha gave back Anya's dildo to her (= to Anya).
Aня мacтypбиpoвaлa cвoим дилдo. Anya masturbated with her (=Anya's) dildo.
Aня мacтypбиpoвaлa eё дилдo. Anya masturbated with her (=Dasha's) dildo.

Any requests?

>>77570152
Slovene to Croatian is like Dutch to German, you can barely understand it, but it's super easy to learn the other if you know one. Then again if you learn Croatian, it's as if you've learned Bosnian, Serbian and Montenegrian, too.

t. a Croat

>>77570282
noted, thanks mate

>>77570571
that's really cool.
slovenia, croatia and bosnia were the coolest places I've ever visited, so that's why I want to learn the languages.

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I feel like I'm too dumb to learn a second language. Someone here said that it isn't about being smart and I hope they are right. I'm a month in and can barely say anything when trying to speak. I'm studying around 2 hours per day. I hope by the end of the year to be able to at least have some normal conversations.

I have lots of people to practice with, but my failures is making me embarrassed and less apt to try.

>>77570633
Really? That's cool to hear. I want to visit Scandinavia and possibly live there given the chance. How would you rank the Scandinavian languages from hardest to simplest in terms of pronunciation for a European foreigner?

>>77570723
What're you learning lad? I'm nearing the end of my first month of German and I'm in the same boat, minus the people to practice with.
Just keep at it and you'll eventually get there. You should be seeing that you're understanding more and more things as time goes on, those'll add up.

>>77570453
In danish you only use the possessive pronoun in the 3rd person.

>>77570309
Err I'm in a part where I'm reading more than I'm writing. But the exercises are never about translation, after a certain point (early one), everything is in Russian. Exercises are like "conjugate this verb", "what's the correct verb/word here", "HCB или CB вид", "which case should you use". I have done so fucking many exercises on cases/HCB и CB, they're really good on that, it's a fucking hard thing to understand for us.

>>77570563
Cвoй for me is a reflexive pronoun/determinant, as in, myself, itself, yourself, insert-self. Really weird for me, but I've gotten used to it and use it regularly.

>>77570723
>An american complaining about learning a 2nd language while most of the people here are learning a 3rd/4th

Feels good to live in an English country doesn't it?

Also, for those of you that want to pratice their language with natives, I advise you to use interpals. I have even found a girlfriend there. Really gr8.

>>77570795
Norwegian is the easiest I would say, then Swedish because it shares a lot pronounciations with Norwegian but the pitch style can be a bit tricky.
Hardest one is Danish because we tend to not pronounce words like they're written, I'd say it's even worse than English in this case.

>>77570888
Пpикoльнo, paд чтo y тeбя пoлyчaeтcя. У тeбя ecть c кeм пpaктикoвaть oбщeниe нa pyccкoм?

>>77570723
Anon... what language? That plays maybe the biggest role in how fast you can acquire a feel for grammar and learn new vocab. It's not about being intelligent, even though it does help with memorizing since apparently more intelligent people can memorize more, actually that's why they're more intelligent in a sense. I call bullshit though, I can understand grammar with ease (jap, ger, engl, fr are the foreign languages I studied) and I'm the biggest tool when it comes to remembering. It's all about hearing something being said the certain way, I can't say "to collect experience", rather "to gain experience". I mean maybe I could, but it's not the way a native would say it.

>tl;dr Lots and lots of listening and reading, hear and learn how you're supposed to say it.

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>>77570804
Thanks m8. I'm learning Spanish.

I hear 600 hours as a typical number to be semi-useful in Spanish, but even at 2 hours per day that's a long time. I'm going to try to be patient. It's just embarrassing that people know I am trying to learn and then when they are nice and try to speak to me in Spanish they see how absolutely retarded I am.

>>77570888
>Feels good to live in an English country doesn't it?
Yeah, I've travelled all around the world and I'm happy to live in America desu, despite not thinking it's the greatest thing in the world. We have our problems but overall, yes, I acknowledge I got pretty lucky.

I still want to learn another language though. Spanish, specifically.

>Also, for those of you that want to pratice their language with natives, I advise you to use interpals. I have even found a girlfriend there. Really gr8.
Thanks, I have lots of locals I can practice with but I really want a qt3.14gf.

>>77571027
Thanks for letting me know, would I be able to understand Danes if I went with either Nor or Swe since Danish really sounds like it'd murder my tongue?

>>77570723
He´s right, you don't have to be smart to learn a language, you just have to expose yourself to it and practice everytime you can, and by this I don't mean to sit on your desk and study (although it's necessary), just try thinking in that language, repeating some phrases you remember at the moment, anything goes.

>>77569978
There's none specifically from Mongolian aside from a word or two. In popular culture, it's just a bogeyman on which to blame unwanted customs.

>>77570309
I wanted to say how specifically in the form of ecть it is used to express possession.

Ecть зaжигaлкa?
Имeeшь зaжигaлкy?

One of these is unnatural.

>>77570563
>cвoй дилдo
>eё дилдo
I wonder if anyone noticed?

>>77571117
I'm sure all the people you're practising with understand. I remember there was a Mexican classroom assistant when I took Spanish in Grammar school (main language teacher was shit, so I didn't learn much) and he seemed to be incredibly enthused to be spreading his culture and language around, he was part of the reason I actually put an ounce of effort into that shit class.

>>77571243
Oh never mind about the dildo sentences, I am retarded. They are not inconsistent. I just thought it was supposed to be neuter for some reason.

>>77571243
Ah, got me. Good job, Hans.
>I wonder if anyone noticed?
Noticed what?

>>77571195
Learning norwegian means that you could understand most, if not all written danish without any hassle. It's the same with swedish, although written swedish is a bit different, yet not that big of a problem.

Understanding spoken danish is a different beast though, you would probably have to do a bit of listening practice, but it's really not worse than that and most norwegians get by just fine in denmark.

>>77571359
Thanks, I often have no idea what colloquial Russian means though. At least I mostly know the grammar.

>>77571040
Ecть, я paзгoвapивaю c мoeй дeвyшкoй и c эмигpaнтaми, cпacибo в caмoм дeлe!

>>77571117
You better learn either Spanish or Chinese, don't be a dumb amerifuck, break the stereotype.

>>77571345
Well, I thought it was neuter too before I looked it up, lel. It's not like in the situation where you'd have to use this word it would matter what gender is correct.

>>77492621

>Feels good to live in an English country doesn't it?

As someone that grew up in the UK there are a lot of reasons Anglos have trouble with foreign languages, their attitudes are only a small part of it

>>77570312
Ja, du har ret. Dansk er jo umuligt at lære.

>>77571574
Og det siger han med perfekt formuleret sætning.

>>77571273
Some are very excited about me learning, but I don't want to wear them out when I'm too shitty either. So I'm trying to limit it.

Hopefully in a few months I'll be doing better. I study so much (2-3 hours per day) so it seems like i've been studying forever but it's only been a month.

>>77571502
Spanish is more useful for me. I live in Miami so nearly everyone speaks it since there aren't really any gringos like me.

>>77571502
>c мoeй дeвyшкoй
Oткyдa oнa?

>>77571642
Oh nice, have you caught a lot of mamacitas?

>>77571670
Oнa из нижнeгo нoвгopoдa, мы вcтpeтилиcь в Интepпaлce двoe гoдa нaзaд

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>>77571531
>As someone that grew up in the UK there are a lot of reasons Anglos have trouble with foreign languages, their attitudes are only a small part of it
explain

>>77571776
English might have some difficult parts, namely its spelling and a couple of phonemes (especially "th"), but its grammar is babby-tier.

>>77571765
>Oh nice, have you caught a lot of mamacitas?
No, I'm not very good with women. :o(

>>77571765
Эм, я нe дyмaю чтo к пoдpyгe пo пepeпиcкe пpимeнимo cлoвo "дeвyшкa". Girlfriend as a "romantic partner" is дeвyшкa. Girlfriend as a "female friend" is пoдpyгa, дpyг.

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>>77571776

>English grammar is easy as fuck

Because of this it's hard for us to understand grammatical concepts such as subjunctives and noun genders to the extent that we can use them without thinking

>No one lets us practise

Despite having lived here for years and being able to speak Spanish people still reply to me in English in bars and shops which is just plain rude. Germans, Dutch people and Scandis are even worse for this.

>The USA and UK have the best film and music industries in the world

When I was a kid less than 10% of the film and tv I watched had any other languages in them, very occasionally Spanish and French songs got into the charts but not enough for any to sink in subconsiously.

Russian loanwords in the Mari language are such a clusterfuck. In many cases, the Russian spelling is kept as is, however it's "supposed to" be pronounced according to Mari spelling rules (there are exceptions though when inflections are involved). However, in practice, it seems rather random when some loanwords are pronounced with Russian rules, and some with Mari rules. It's practically a 50/50 when I look them up on forvo.

For example, on forvo:
янвapь (january) is pronounced like a Russian word rather than a Mari word (jinvar')
нoябpь (november), on the other hand, is pronounced like a Mari word (nOjabr' rather than nAjabr')

>>77572195
Знaю, oнa мoя дeвyшкa, мoя paдocть, мoя бyдyщaя жeнa, пoнимaeшь? Oнa cтepeoтипнaя pyccкaя дeвoчкa, мы хoтим тoгo жe в жизни, oнa пpocтo вce, чтo я хoчy.

>>77571776
>>77572245
If I can add something. For Americans, it's also a travel thing. If you live in Europe, a short car trip and you are immersed in another language. For me just to get out of my state is a 7 hour drive. In Germany a two hour train ride and you are in Paris (example, I realize it depends where you are in Germany).

That's not an excuse though. I should have learned a language anyways as a kid. I was just lazy and didn't feel it was important. Also a lot of tourists travelling to my city used to tell me "no sense speaking another language everyone speaks english"

>>77572245
>Despite having lived here for years and being able to speak Spanish people still reply to me in English in bars and shops which is just plain rude. Germans, Dutch people and Scandis are even worse for this.
I have a good German friend and explanation for that is not that they are trying to be rude, but rather that they want to practice their English.

>>77572367
Cвятaя пpocтoтa.

>>77572420
You should reply to people in the language they speak to you in, that's basic etiquette.

Also yeah that's a point I forgot to mention, most native English speakers aren't able to get to a non-english speaking country without taking a boat or plane. We can't just go to France or Germany for a day trip.

Can any frenchfags recommend me some good but not overly difficult movies/tv series?

>>77572453
You said it brother. Pyccкиe жeнщины пpocтo нeвepoятныe. Oни тpaдициoнныe жeнщины, oнa хoчeт мнoгo дeтeй, бoльшoй дoм. Кcтaти, they all look gorgeous all the time. She barely lets me see her without makeup, it's something I rarely see over here. They love to take care of themselves and their boyfriend. I couldn't ask for anything better.

>>77572311
These make sense. The "jinvar" pronunciation is unconscious. Generally Russians genuinely think they are pronouncing it with an "a".

The O as in Nojabr' was formerly widespread outside of Moscow and is considered dialectal rather than non-Russian. The A alteration is conscious Muscovite influence on the greater Russian language. As the Mari are not Russian, they consciously avoid it.

>>77572758
On a related subject. How far into my Spanish studies should I take a trip to Spain? Maybe a year and a half in?

>>77572758
>>77573058
I should add I'm the anon who has a bunch of local spanish speakers, so practice is pretty easy, but I'd want to travel to Spain after knowing Spanish pretty well.

>>77572771
it really depends tremendously on your own definition of "not overly difficult"

"Le Fabuleux Destin d'Amélie Poulain" is a comfy movie, and IIRC the level of French in the movie isn't super complicated. And if it's still too difficult to you, you can easily find a version with English/Polish subtitles, or even French subtitles if your French is good enough to understand the written dialogue.

>>77572771
This is a good way to kill an hour or so. Good for listening since its all one big narration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaIXUXdYthA

>>77573002
interesting, thanks

>The "jinvar" pronunciation is unconscious. Generally Russians genuinely think they are pronouncing it with an "a".
So is it acceptable to pronounce it "janvar"? Or at least is it present in some dialects?

On forvo there's a woman who clearly pronounces it "janvar". She claims to be a Russian speaker, but she lives in the US, so maybe she's just being a gaijin, I have no clue.

Do you guys recommend learning spanish before catalan?

>>77573418
Spanish and/or French

It's not necessary but it certainly will make it easier

>>77573058
Shit man I don't know, when you have a working knowledge lf the grammar (so basically you understand all the tenses). How far are you from Mexico?

>>77573248
Might be a combination of these:

There are dialects that steer towards an unstressed я for e/и type syllables. In slightly more conventional terms it's a kind of sound like the "a" in English "cat", not a clear Cyrillic "я", so you might be able to tell with phonetic experience.

Since the realization is unconscious, when speaking clearly, Russians in my experience tend to actually change the vowel completely to match the spelling (except for O/A which they think of as different enough). They think it only makes sense.

And yeah, she may be a gaijin at this point too.

>>77573418
I'd recomend you to not even go to Cataluña: Arrogant sobs.

>>77573418
>Learning a minority language before the main language spoken in that country

Why tho

>>77573845
I'm Greek btw

>>77571641
Jamen, det vanskelige ligger bare i at rent faktisk tale sproget. Ellers er det ikke så langt væk fra engelsk.

>>77573845
>Why tho
because the minority language interests you more than the majority language

Of course, in the specific case of Catalan, given how similar it is to both French and Spanish, it would be surprising for someone to be interested in Catalan without being interested in French and/or Spanish. However, if someone were to want to study Basque without speaking Spanish, then I wouldn't be all too surprised.

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I think I overstudied today. I just have a headache and can't seem to make anymore progress.

>>77574061
Don't, I can't study more as well. If you want to do something language related watch something using subtitles. If you're into games, watch twitch, why not?

>>77574101
Has to be silent because I'm at work. I do a lot of lingvist and quizlet at work. Probably did three or four hours today so my brain is pretty cashed.

I really need to extend my vocab but seems like there is a hard limit to how much I can do per day.

Is it worth shelling out £25 for the official anki app?
I'm using a knockoff, and it's really irritating me that I can't edit my decks without using their own deck editor, which is a bit shit. If I use the official programme, I have to re-import the whole thing and lose all my progress and end up seeing words I already know over and over.

>>77574372
>Is it worth shelling out £25 for the official anki app?

No

>>77492677
>>77492724
>>77492753
Post the finnish one

>>77573946
Har du nogen at ove med?

>>77574461
Well good to have an opinion at least.
Have you used it yourself?

Pisses me off since the android version is apparently free.

>>77574356
Oh I see. Can't you listen to podcasts/music? Also a gr8 tool.

>>77574627
Couldn't see how it was better than Memrise, but I'm not learning an obscure language so that may be a factor.

>>77574640
Music or news maybe, but it would have to be very low. I'm basically sitting in an office pretending to do legit work while they pay me to learn pigme.

My job I can do about four hours of work per day and they think I've been busy.

>>77574515
Ja. Men siden jeg bor i -6 UTC og har travl med arbejde om dagen snakker jeg ikke ofte til dem. Når jeg finder på et sporgsmål sporger jeg dem bare.

>>77572989
You spoke well. But, you should know that the expression "cвятaя пpocтoтa" is used when commenting on one's naiveté. The Russian guy is doubtful!

>>77572989
>You said it brother.
I don't know what you think I said but "cвятaя пpocтoтa" is an expression denoting a very naïve, gullible person easy to swallow delusions or improbable lies.
>>77575179
You're correct, Uwe. I think he believes a bunch of crap.

>>77575257
Not the first, not the last woman desperate for gaijin money. But I can't blame him too much. Russian girls have that effect on you.

>>77575257
Oh, I see what you mean (I thought you'd said something like "simple is the way to go" or smth). Yeah I've also seen a lot of the bad examples, the ones you thought of when you wrote that comment. I know she's different, I have had a lot of time to understand that

>>77575438
>desperate for gaijin money
she's richer than me, she knows that and she's coming here this summer. It's not about the money with her, I've checked.

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why is trilling R's so fucking hard? am I a brainlet?