/lang/ - Language Learning

>>77576132
>Language learning resources:
http://4chanint.wikia.com/wiki/The_Official_/int/_How_to_Learn_A_Foreign_Language_Guide_Wiki

http://www.duolingo.com/
>Duolingo is a free language-learning platform that includes a language-learning website and app, as well as a digital language proficiency assessment exam. Duolingo offers all its language courses free of charge.

>>>/t/746368
>Torrents with more resources than you'll ever need for 30+ languages.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#
>Google Drive folder with books for all kinds of languages.

https://fsi-languages.yojik.eu/languages/oldfsi/index.html
>Drill based courses with text and audio.The Foreign Service Institute (FSI) is the United States federal government's primary training institution for employees of the U.S. foreign affairs community.These courses are all in public domain and free to download.Site may go down sometimes but you can search for fsi on google and easily find a mirror.

https://www.memrise.com/
>Free resource to learn vocabulary, nice flash cards.

https://lingvist.com/
>It's kinda like Clozemaster in the sense that you get a sentence and have to fill in the missing word, also has nice statistics about your progress, grammar tips and more information about a word (noun gender, verb aspects for Russian, etc.)

ankisrs.net/
>A flash card program

https://www.clozemaster.com/languages
>Clozemaster is language learning gamification through mass exposure to vocabulary in context.Can be a great supplementary tool, not recommended for absolute beginners.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/
>Tatoeba is a collection of sentences and translations with over 300 hundred languages to chose from.

radio.garden/
>Listen to radio all around the world through an interactive globe

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>>77576148
http://www.effectivelanguagelearning.com/language-guide/language-difficulty
>Check out information about languages and their difficulties

http://lexicity.com/
>An invaluable resource for comparative language study as well as those interested in ancient languages

http://cosmogyros.tumblr.com/post/108962232110/huge-new-language-learning-collection
>A very extensive language learning collection for 90+ languages.

http://www.dliflc.edu/resources/products/
>Similar to FSI, drill-based courses with text and audio issued by the US government.These courses were made for millitary personel in mind unlike FSI.

http://en.childrenslibrary.org
>Lots of childrens books in various languages, categories 3-5yo, 6-9yo, 10-13yo.

https://www.hellotalk.com/#en
>The app is basically whatsapp, but only connects you with people who are native in the language you are trying to learn. It also has a facebook type section where you can share pics and stuff too.

https://www.italki.com/
https://www.mylanguageexchange.com/
https://www.interpals.net/
http://www.gospeaky.net/
https://www.speaky.com/
https://polyglotclub.com/
http://lang-8.com/
>Few more language exchange communities like Hellotalk:

http://www.goethe-verlag.com/
>A mostly free site which offers audio and drill like exercises for 40+ languages.

http://www.languagetransfer.org/
>A free resource with recordings to learn a language.

https://babadum.com
>Flash card game with a focus on vocabulary.

http://context.reverso.net/translation/
>A website like Tatoeba (also has a Firefox extension!)

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>>77576324
>>77576269
>>77576226
got any more of dem charts?

>>77573418
>Do you guys recommend learning spanish before catalan?
no, unless you also want to learn spanish and want to learn it more than catalan.

>>77575510
Sig meget hurtigt "batteri" igen og igen til "tt" bliver rullet R.

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>>77577104
unfortunately not

If anybody would like to contribute towards making such a chart, even if it's only a little, please do so. You don't even have to make it aesthetic, worst case scenario someone else will take care of doing that.

Pic related is my contribution for Spanish. As you can see, it's not much, but obiously if enough people contribute then we'll have some solid charts.

>>77577256
I'm not intermediate so I don't think I'm qualified to make one.

>>77577631
Are you sure? Even if it's only for getting to A2, it's better than nothing. Also we're always tempted to think "I can't contribute, since I'm not advanced enough yet, it would be hypocritical", but if we all think that way we'll never get anything done. I myself am only B2 in Spanish (barely), so I'm still far from being fluent or even confident in myself, however my experience for reaching my present level could still possibly be valuable to others.

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I'm probably inbetween A1-A2 for farsi, but could work out a chart of some sort for farsi tomorrow which includes what I've done and plan to to in near future

I'm learning French and having a lot of fun with it, getting good too. Later this year I want to learn a third language but I can't make my mind up on which;

>Italian
>German
>Russian
>Japanese
>Korean
help me decide lads

>>77579610
I'd forget about Italian since you already speak french, the rest seem like valid choices. What are your priorities?

>>77579693
travelling, reading and watching films in the language, bantering online

I don't care about learning for business or work

>>77579800
I'd go for russian. Lots of great literature and cinema and plenty of shitposters online.

>>77579854
thanks, have narrowed it down now

Ok, so I am starting to learn spanish, can anyone link me a good youtube lessons for beginner. And when I say good i mean one with a lot of lessons, not just how to introduce you or have a xy random phrases.

P.S. is there a chart for spanish like swedish and russian one above?

>>77579610

honestly, russian is pretty enjoyable
it's quite difficult for an englishbabby like me, though

>>77579965 here>>77577256

>>77579991
yeah it looks hard as balls

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>>77580069 no offense to this >>77577256 guy but for some reason this pic triggers me. It is so autistic I can't stare more than 5 seconds into it.

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I really can't decide on a language, there's a lot of languages I want to learn but it's pointless if I don't start learning something. Should I just say fuck it and go for French as my third language?

>>77580225
Yeah, French is based and also practical.

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>>77579991
>honestly, russian is pretty enjoyable
it's hard so when you get something it's make you feel so proud of yourself desu senpai

>>77580225
>>77580225
well French gives you access to everything you could want from a language, French culture has great
>literature
>cuisine
>films
>history
>places to visit
>fun language that sounds nice and is looks pretty in print
It's even useful for employment if you care about that.

>>77580395
Not to mention it gives you an idea of Romance vocabulary

>>77579610
Don't even think of Japanese or Korean, waste of time.

>>77580497
not true

>>77580281
>>77580395
>>77580470
thanks for the answer, I'll start reading up on the grammar and pronounciation right away

>>77579991
Wanna be my bf?

>>77580529

T. Weaboo Jones

>>77580289

i agree lol

>>77578941
what have you been using?
i only know of easypersian.com and generic stuff like memerise or ankek

I like harsh sounding languages but not like arabic or any throat sound. So far i chose Finnish and Hungarian. I also want to learn Albanian to complete my Balkan languages knowledge. Cam anyone reccommend languages like these?

Also which one first? Finnish, Hungarian or Albanian?

>>77580589

))))

>>77579610
both russian and german are very nice sounding
i recommend you choose between them

>>77580632
Hungarian is an absolute bitch.

>>77580497
how come?

>>77580545
If you can't decide spend an hour on French, Italian and Spanish and choose the on you like best it's what I did

I assume you know English and Danish so I wouldn't learn another Germanic language, romance is better for you

>>77580679
I know, but it seems fun. Besides I wont have complications with the grammar because its similar to turkish

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Does someone have any tips with learning basic vocabulary, what works for you the best. Like small tips.

>>77580589
ты пидp?

Is there any point at all to learn nordic languages? If yes, which one is better to choose, what are the core differences? They sound so similar.

>>77580681
Don't get me even started, they're completely rubbish. There was this very good article on learning Japanese, it really red pilled me. Should have saved the link. By any chance, does anyone here know the article I'm talking about?

>>77580666
>both russian
Kek. Never heard of this. Btw I found Romanian a very interesting and nicely sounding language.
>>77580633
What?
>>77580632
>harsh sounding
>not Arabic
Miboun.

>>77580705
constant exposure is best for me, if I see a word I don't recognise I look it up, I will usually forget it the first time but after encountering it 3-4 times I begin to remember

I speak French and Wolof. Where would Wolof be?

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>>77580818
lol found it, please just give it a read, please.

https://japantoday.com/category/features/opinions/why-you-shouldnt-learn-japanese

>>77580806
I don't think there is a point to it, only if you really want to. It seems lots of immigrants do fine knowing only english.

>>77580864

are you a coloured fella

>>77580806
I was kinda studying Swedish in my university (it was a free course, not a part of the curriculum) but later I gave up on it. Lack of motivation, plus Swedes on int are sore assholes.
>>77580740
Ja, det är jag. Så vad?

>>77580705
Just make a shitton of flashcards of everything you encounter

When you revise don't give up if you can't recall a word instantly, take ~20 seconds. For some reason that little additional effort really halps remember things.

Write sentences. Never lists of words.

>>77580806
No reason as nordic countries are among the best english speakers in the world, but some say that they are fun and interesting. The best one to learn would probably be Norwegian.

>>77580933
lol no, I'm white, but I did live in West Africa for a few years

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>>77580934
Men nu kan du prata i Finland också, bra kompis!

:--D

>>77580934
Så ikke noget.

>>77580983

oh cool

>>77580958
>flashcards
Awful advice unless you incorporate these flashcards into sentences/texts. The best way to learn and retain vocabulary is through context.
>>77581015
Ebin :D

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>>77581042
Jag ska åka till Danmark snart, ska ni förstå om jag talar svenska, min bror.

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Dont think Russian is so popular.

>>77581156
Forvent at folk skifter til engelsk lige med det samme.

>>77581182
You wot? There's shitton of gaijins learning our groriousu ranguagu. Look up the previous thread.

>>77581150
>awful advice
Maybe for you, flashcards if done correctly are probably the simplest and best tool to remember vocab. Also I did tell him to write sentences.

>>77580983
I want to go to Senegal within the next 2-3 years. I speak passable French. Any advice?

>>77581330
wear a condom

>>77581280
Oh, sorry, Krzysztof.

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Currently learning Spanish, i took two intensive semesters of it in my senior year in college, just graduated 2 months ago.

I'm intent on becoming fluent, so I'm just going to move to Guadalajara, Mexico in 3 weeks to teach english. Really pumped i got the job! But i know i have a lot of work to do in regards to learning Spanish.

How long do you think it will be till I'm fluent? I would say I'm slightly above intermediate at this moment. Has anyone else moved over to another country to learn a different language.

This is literally a shock course!

>>77580886

You do realise that those types of articles are simply written by weeaboos who wish to reduce the flow of people learning their "secret language". I guess you fell for it.

>>77581261
but not so may as those learning French or German

>>77581346
It's alright Димa

>>77581405
Rate Merkel's Russian Rusbros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntqBMFMGZ-Q

>>77580698
Are you usually op btw?

>>77581512
Passable.

>>77581512
totally ok

>>77581352
you'll probably struggle a bit when you go to Mexico, it's always a shock when you actually live in the country and need to speak the language to survive

you will improve and have lots of fun though

>>77581330
Passable French should be all you need language-wise.

The only dangerous parts are outside the airport, the major Dakar market, and the nightclub district in Dakar. The more rural you are, the safer you are and the nicer everyone is.
Go to Saint-Louis and Fatik. If you're feeling adventurous, go to Ziguinchor and maybe Kedougou.
Bargain for everything. Never take the first offer, unless it's already really low and you're someplace super rural, because the villages are the only places people will be straight with you on prices, outside of tourist establishments.

>>77581338
It's not an AIDS country

>>77581588

Yeah, thoughs first two months are gonna be way hard man. The company i work for offers spanish classes, so I'm defiantly going to jump into thoughs to ensure success.

Defiantly going to be hard though.

>>77581656
How strictly Muslim is the country? Like totally secular or a mixed bag?

>>77581998
The cities aren't strict at all. South is super liberal. The middle isn't strict, but it is important to dress modestly, especially for women. The northern desert parts are really strict with dress.

At what point in my learning should I search for a language partner?

Where do you find appropriate reading material, /lang/?

>>77582510
B1-B2

doing it too early is distracting and they can't help you much

>>77580632
>I also want to learn Albanian to complete my Balkan languages knowledge
do you speak nkreek tho
>>77580679
nah
she's a fine lass
just far away from home

>>77581571
no not really

>>77582606
the fuck is nkreek

>>77582582
Alright, thanks.

narrowed it down to Italian, German and Russian

>>77582655
greek
but spelled with nkreek spelling rules
the nkreek alphabet has a bunch of weird writing conventions
since a bunch of sound changes occured
the b sound is written mp since beta became veta
the d sound is written nt because delta became dhelta like the sound in "they"
the g sound is written nk because gamma is now ghamma which is between g and h

>>77582510
They are several schools of thought on this.

Some people will say that you should do it straight away, starting from the moment you can string your first sentences together.

The issue is that it puts a big burden on your partner if there is a big gap in proficiency between you two.

If you find someone who is ok with this as long as he gets to practice their skills for the same amount of time then it's alright.

Others will say that some intermediate stage is better, though you might procrastinate and keep putting it off by justifying it with your lack of proficiency. Yes, at some point you have to string your first robot-like sentences together to try to communicate with another person and get to practice.

On apps like HelloTalk or Tandem you can just start talking to people. I, personally, talked to several dozens of people. Many just one or two times. Others more regular to a few I talk to virtually every week. You don't really have to make a great commitment to a fixed exchange if that's not what you are into.

It's hard to find committed and reliable anyway. So consider talking to many people.

>>77582805
I'm beginning to recognise your posting style, you seem very knowledgeable on the process of language learning. I feel like I should be taking notes.

I personally believe that burdening someone to basically become my private tutor is both selfish and rude and will eventually lead to nowhere, so I do want to reach a level of proficiency in which I can at least talk about casual things before I search for a partner.

I'm personally considering hiring a tutor or attending classes to accelerate my learning a bit, albeit I'm not sure exactly how much this would help. I generally do prefer self-study, but talking with someone who knows the language inside out, or finding other people as enthused to learn as I am seems like it could both contribute to my drive and morale immensely.

tfw fluent in English but still can't pronounce the th in sentences, every sentence with a couple of th's either in a row or not is a fucking tongue twister and I just end up saying d instead. Someone end me pls

>>77582735
sounds interesting but i doubt i can find textbooks for that

>>77583168
>I personally believe that burdening someone to basically become my private tutor is both selfish and rude and will eventually lead to nowhere, so I do want to reach a level of proficiency in which I can at least talk about casual things before I search for a partner.

Well, like I said. Some people are ok with that as long as you switch to the other language for the same amount of time or look for people on your level. On the other end of the spectrum there are some very selfish people out there. Never be to afraid to insist on your turn.

There are also other ways. Like you mentioned, private tutors in real life but you can also go to Italki and pay a professional/semi-professional person to tutor you over the Internet.

>I do want to reach a level of proficiency in which I can at least talk about casual things before I search for a partner.

In the very beginning you should establish some kind of 'routine'. What I mean is that you should look up the specific vocabulary that relates to your own person and how to present yourself and talk about yourself and your life a bit.

It's hard to start a conversation from scratch and it's easier if you have managed to nail that initial part down, it makes expanding conversations to other topics easier.

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>tfw learning Arabic

Who the fuck thought the emphatic dh sound was necessary

>>77583780
Desu Arabic is the most complex (in phonology and morphology) language that is widely spoken.

>>77583907
Yeah, we're barely into grammar right now, but the complexity keeps ramping up with no end in sight. Haven't been scared out yet, though, so I'm going to keep going. I just really hate that particular sound because I can't pronounce it and can hardly hear it.

>>77581182
I'm weeb but rather learn rus first...

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Which textbook is best to start learning Spanish ?

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2 years of French and all I really remember is to say "my name is slim shady"

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>>77580958
>Write sentences. Never lists of words.
I've been doing vocab wrong. Even Lingvist I often just think of the word rather than take the sentence into much account, despite that I try to.

I tried to remember sentences but that proved to be painfully slow and wasn't making much progress.

I've been learning French for a bit, went through a lot (though not all) FSI stuff for it, went through Duolingo, and I go to meetups to practice, though I still feel like my level isn't stellar and I could use more formal education.

Has anybody taken classes with the Alliance Française? Are they typically pretty good quality? Or would I be better off taking classes at a community college? I think they're about the same price.

>>77580137
>but for some reason this pic triggers me. It is so autistic I can't stare more than 5 seconds into it.
y-you too ;_;

>>77586712
there was a congolombiANO who I personally conversed with in /fr/ a few years ago who was able to speak and write in excellent French (especially his speaking), good enough that he was actually able to immigrate to Québec (for which knowledge of French is an important criteria). He said that he learned with the Alliance française. Of course, it could just be one isolated case, but if that's anything to go by, then I'd say Alliance française seems pretty good, especially for the spoken part.

Guys I need to practice my oral english, and I'd rather practice with someone with a british accent so I can practice that too.

Where do I sign up?

>>77588953
I got something you can practice your oral on right here.... ;)

>>77586712
I had french classes both in highschool and in the alliance française and in general they were pretty similar, though the AF really helped me develop my oral skills.

>>77580886
Learning Japanese because of all that dank ass Manga. I'm not doing it for """opportunities""" or to be more """"cultured""""

>>77583276
have you looked up videos on how to make the sounds? there's two different ones too btw
voiceless th like in "math"
or voiced like in "the"
for "the" there has to be vibration

>>77585739
learn how to read now.

Anyone else trying to learning Czech?

I seem to find myself having quite little time every day after work so I'd like to squeeze as much as I can from those couple-few hours that I have. Are there any general rules of thumb in language learning about what ratio should be of learning vocabulary versus grammar? Or which grammar part to start with first, adding others later (verbs, conjugations, cases etc). I know you're supposed to learn pretty much everything at the same time but it seems so overwhelming and I end up not learning much at all.

>>77590039
don't learn grammar that much, you will never be able to speak czech perfectly, shits impossible, the grammar is too insane. I knew a latino guy exchange student there and he said the same thing. Just practice vocabulary and correct pronounciation, that's the way to go. Everyone is going to understand you even if you mess up some grammar. I'm Czech so I know this

>>77590127
It doesn't seem too hard for me, just needs a lot of repetition. I know it because I know some colloquial Russian, grew up hearing the language at home every day and I find Czech quite similar. Only thing is that I am not sure what to grab for learning first and what next. I already ~50% learned verb conjugations which I practice with different verbs.

>>77590127
I agree, but then he's Lithuanian, whose language is probably the most complex grammar in all Indo-European languages.

>>77590199
*whose language has

>207 anki cards due

What's your process /lang/? I already know english and german but that was taught to me at school, no idea how to study by myself effectively.

I have to learn Spanish as fast as possible in order to prepare for an exchange trip in about 5 months. Right now I'm probably at around A1, and I want to be at least a B2. Is that even possible to accomplish in such a small timeframe?

>>77583276
For example with three, put your tongue between your teeth.

I do japanese at uni, but at home on break atm so I'm using these books:

Genki
BKB
Japanese for Busy People

aswell as Memrise, Anki and practicing with jap friends. Oh I also use Influent on steam, which is pretty damn good.

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I'm learning Icelandic but it's not that hard because I already speak a north germanic language, so I'm thinking about picking up another language to learn.
I'd rather not learn a romance language or another germanic language, so that leaves me with the slavic languages. Any suggestions in the group?

>>77594771
forget about the slavic languages, greek is what you need in your life

>>77594771
Russian obviously, why would people pick anything else except if they have a lot of time on their hands. Even then, knowing Russian would open the door to a lot of works of literature, internet websites, social networks etc.

hello friends

>>77594771
Korean

>>77595216
buenos días

I can speak fluently german, spanish, english and what some call serbo-croatian

What resources exist to improve your spoken english? Someone help me pls

>>77598453
millions of video games, tv shows and films

>>77598453
all of them

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Anyone need help with spanish? Hmu
>>77592708
Dive deep into spanish media, spanish forums, spanish music
I can recommend you some music bands from mainland spain if u ask me for a genre

>>77576226
>>77576269
>>77576324
What's a comfy thing to make these charts, just MSpaint?

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>really like both brasilian and sudaca music
>torn between which i should bother learning

Does anybody have a German infograph?

>>77598121
Yoo, can you please recommend from where to start learning spanish. I mean from which resource exactly. I'd be grateful if you can recomend me a good book to begin.

>>77599607
imo Spanish is the easiest of the two

>>77599166
Photoshop is what I'd use, but I guess Paint works.

>>77598121
>I can speak fluently german, spanish, english and what some call serbo-croatian
I speak German, Spanish, English, and what some call Serbo-Coatian, fluently. *
Not trying to be a dick but figured in this thread corrections are helpful.

>>77599944
>Duolingo + Michel Thomas
>Lingvist and Closemaster
>German youtubers
>German newspapers, books and films
roughly in that order

>>77576132
>Mandarin
>Language nerd

>>77601128
>Lingvist and Closemaster
Generally speaking, would using Clozemaster after Lingvist be a good idea? I'm doing Lingvist and Duolingo now, and figured I'd do Clozemaster as soon as I finish those two.

>>77599607
WHERE DID YA GET THAT PIC

>>77601128
Michel Thomas appears to cost money, is there a free alternative?

>>77601569
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n8LVnLIoI8

>>77601613
Thanks

>>77579610
Russian is a waste of time.

>>77601684
you can torrent them all too if you want

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>>77601569
>Michel Thomas appears to cost money, is there a free alternative?
Steal it.

>>77598706
If you say: "We want to pay for the beers"
Does it translate to "Queremos pagar las cervezas" or "queremos pagar por las cervezas"?

>>77598706
>>77602457
And similarly. Is "I don't have a wife" "No tengo esposa" or "No tengo una esposa"? Seems like there should be a una in there but I see it written the former way.

where do Abkhaz, Georgian, Sumerian, Tsez, !Xoo, proto Indo European, Ainu, Burushaski, Archi and Navajo fit in >>77576132 's pic?

>>77581280
how do czechs and polaks say the rz sound
I try different things, from curling my tongue up until the bottom of the tip touches the back of my hard palate, and just sorta mixing it with the zh sound but in any case I end up sounding like a twat.

>>77590199
always been rather interested in Lithuanian, is it being really old and archaic and shit a meme or is there something to it?

gib examples

>>77589153
>>77594691
I know how to pronounce both voiced and unvoiced and which word uses which, but I don't get it how anyone can say them quickly in a sentence with multiple TH's without messing up your tongue. It seems literally impossible to say TH when it comes after or before a certain word.

>>77603432
it's like sh/š(tongue formation) but from full throat. You throat should vibrate like when you say a.

>>77603432
Polish rz is simple ž, I think same as in French j, but Czech ř is unique, only they have it. So that one you will have problems with, I dont have much trouble with it but it's still hard sound to pronounce for someone new

>>77603556
well it's not a meme it's true, however learning the language would be a meme as it's not useful at all. we have a lot of stuff preserved I think

>>77603556
like a thrilled r but instead of thrilling with your mouth open you clench your jaw and thrill against your teeth

>>77576132
Learning Jap then planning on moving on Finnish.

Any good resources for Finnish?

Also i hit a wall kinda. In Japanese if you give me an article i can probably read it to 70% but my listening is shit. I listen everyday for like 6 hours but i still have trouble following basic conversations. It's almost like my brain is like "Nah" when hearing it. Any tips to get over that hump?

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>>77605108
https://wiki.denfaminicogamer.jp/overwatch/%E5%88%9D%E5%BF%83%E8%80%85%E6%8C%87%E5%8D%97

For instance, i can read this quite well. The thing is, if i were to here it spoken to me, i'd not know what the fuck is going on.

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>>77605108
Look up Easy Languages channel on YT and look for the Jap one. It's always with subtitles, and you'll soon learn how to connect the sounds you hear to words and it'll soon start making sense instead of hearing an intelligible mass of sounds.

>>77602457
We want to pay for the beers > queremos pagar por las cervezas

We want to pay the beers > queremos pagar las cervezas

>>77602565
Both are correct, but the one which sounds better is "no tengo esposa".

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>>77606479
Thank you

>>77606715
it's a pleasure, any other questions?

>>77607026
I'll probably have hundreds this next year, but nothing specific immediately.

On a general language learning level: It seems like most people learn ahead on vocab than what they can speak. Like right now I have maybe 600-700 words I know in Spanish, but I can hardly put them together. Does it "click" later as I do more reading and speaking? Those words will start to be able to string together easier?

>>77607616
>Like right now I have maybe 600-700 words I know in Spanish, but I can hardly put them together. Does it "click" later as I do more reading and speaking?
this is why, once you have a little bit of vocab and basic grammar notions under your belt, it's desirable to learn sentences rather than mere words

>>77607842
Thank you. I'm going to start to make flashcards with some complete sentences on it.

Maybe it would be a good time to start listening to some Spanish music? I know Sublime had some Spanish in it when I was a kid, maybe I'll listen to those songs again.

I'm only a month in. So I'm very novice.

>>77579610

Italian
>Easy language and easier as you know French

German
>I like this choice because French + German combo is killer

Russian
> Its hard and pretty niche these days

Japanese
>Are you a weeb, if Yes. Why aren't you learning it already?

Korean
>Same as above but koreaboo

>>77607026
Oh and now I do have one. Tomar versus beber. They seem to be synonyms. Where do I use each? I googled it and the confusion got worse because it seems to depend on what I read.

>>77576132
Is duolingo and memrise sufficient for learning a language?

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I wasn't expecting to get hit in the feels today :o/

>>77580886
>https://japantoday.com/category/features/opinions/why-you-shouldnt-learn-japanese


Lmao you got red-pilled by this, you are one blue-pilled mfker

>It’s Going to Take Time. A Really Freaking Long Time
>Freaking
>Nu-male buzzfeed tier phrasing great article m8

Boohoo something is hard therefore it is not worth it, if that is your attitude to language learning kys.

>Safe Return Doubtful

Its hard again? How many fucking people in the UK learn French and Spanish and give up, well almost every single one of them gives up. If you don't give up you are strong this isn't an argument.

>Opportunity Cost

learning a language has almost no weighting in the majority of cases, if learning a language is financially motivated then you are a fucking retard. This applies to every language. Learning a language should be purely driven by either necessity i.e job move or through interest

>Opportunity Cost

languages are only useful in set geographical areas holy shit this is a fucking retarded argument

>You Really Don’t Need Japanese

This is actual trigger here, if you want to live somewhere and not adapt then you are no worst than shit immigrants in the EU

>Japanese Can Make You Less Popular

projecting his sad life probably

>Japan Isn’t all That

zzzz


worst thing i've ever read

>>77608618
No, they are just tools on a journey. You need to read, and speak, and practice. Most seem to agree that a combination of tools is required. You'd probably want to add something like a Michel Thomas for listening and guidence, Lingvist or Clozemaster for contextual learning, some kind of grammar resource (a textbook or workbook), and reading/listening/speaking.

Is French or German a better choice, I'm really beating myself over it for months now and haven't made any progress as a result

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>mfw the Mari radio station hasn't been working all day
I bet the eternal Pyш is behind this

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>>77594753
>Paying money to learn a language
top kek. You fell for the language school meme.

>>77608407
>>77608407
As a Koreaboo, Korean is useless if you're not planning on going to the country.
Everything gets translated.
Movies, kdramas, songs and variety shows with your favorite kpop groups.

That's why I never got the motivation to go past A2 and that's fine by me.

>>77607616
you realize how to use the vocabulary you know correctly when you start reading more complex texts, like articles, poetry, journals, etc. You could practice taking a excerp of an article and translating it, and then asking a native is you have any mistakes.
tomar = to take / to grab / to drink (this word has these two basic meanings)

beber = to drink (it doesn't have any another meaning)

>>77601569
you can find every michel thomas lesson on mp3 on pirate bay or /t/

>>77611229
When you say "I'm going to drink a beer" do you say tomar or beber?

>>77603432
Polish <rz> is the same as <ż> i.e. [ʐ], which is like [ʒ] except the tip of the tongue is angled upward. For Czech <ř> you can try starting off with a [r] then quickly switching to a [ʐ] or [ʂ] after the first couple of taps. Apparently once you do that often enough in fast speech it falls together into the proper [r̝] by itself

>>77611669
You can say both, but it's a regional thing. For example, here we use "tomar" instead os "beber" (in casual speech). So, if you say "beber" here I'd certainly know that you are a foreigner, and it's the other way around in other places.

>>77611994
Thank you

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>When memrise expects you to write a long ass sentence to define the word

>>77580497
Korean, maybe, but not Japanese. Aside from English it is the only other valid language on 4chan.

>>77580592
This entire site is for Weaboo Jones, you cancerous normalfag piece of shit.

>>77599166
I made the Russian chart last summer. I used an online flowchart maker, looked like something made by Google but it wasn't.

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>>77614692
Depends what you like. If you're a weeb then Japanese isn't a bad choice. Again you can use language to further your interests.

Japanese actually has a lot of Linguistic resources as well as really good literature. that is why i picked it. Never was into Anime.

Korean has good things as well, if you like PC games and such Korean is a fine choice. There is no right or wrong language to learn. Just be passionate and immerse as much as possible.

Like Russian culture? Learn Russian! Like Swedish culture and food? Learn Arabic!
Like Chinese culture and characters? Learn Mandarin!

It's all about what you want my friend. Don't let people get you down.

https://youtu.be/GBLgcVYZo1c

I made a song where you can learn some basic finnish sentences like "oispa kaljaa"

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Pissing around on wiki instead of learning and came across this fantastic map.

Indians post some wacky shit on the internet, kind of makes me want to learn it.

>>77615114

>it

Im a retard and posted too early. Meant to write one of their languages.

>Time to learn some new lingvist words!
>154 to repeat
Why

>>77615352
it's good for you

>>77608716
>>You Really Don’t Need Japanese
>This is actual trigger here, if you want to live somewhere and not adapt then you are no worst than shit immigrants in the EU

How much do you want to bet that the guy who wrote it is probably one of those people who thinks immigrants needn't assimilate at all?

I've been learning German on my own for 7 years now, and I'm taking university classes this year before making a trip to Germany and Austria.

Since I'm comfortable enough with German, I was thinking of learning either continental Spanish and Portuguese. My native language is French and I took a lot of Spanish classes during my high school and college years, but I forgot most of it. Portuguese intrigues me because half of my family lives in the Azores, and I love listening to fado. I'm also thinking of travelling to Uruguay in the future, even though I'm leaning more towards Portuguese. What should I do, anons?

>>77618631
Learn both, they're very similar in vocabulary. This could either help you or confuse you, though. It did help me figure out the meanings of things quickly, though I kept trying to do stuff like replace tengo with tenho and hablo with falo, for example.

>>77582582
How do I know when I have this level :(

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>>77614490
you can do it.

>>77614490
I'm pretty sure there are ways to change the settings for a course so you don't ever have to type out the reverse translation (i.e. type anything in English)

The course I'm currently doing on memrise has plenty of words which have a very lengthy translation in English, but I've never once had to type any of them. The only typing I do is for the word in the original language.

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>listening to the news in French
>they show a portion of an interview in English but they dub the French translation overtop
>can't focus on the French because my brain is trying to focus on the English since its familiar with it

>>77576132
Russian should be below Mandarin and Korean, those are hot right now and Russian is not very fashionable among normies

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Any tips for learning Welsh?

>>77621824
wait for the Vietnamese poster to arrive, shouldn't be too long now I think

>>77596427
what do you all think about the accuracy of fluency estimation?

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Is it possible to learn Proto Indo European, speak it, and become fluent?

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>>77625255
Everything is possible through the power of autism

>>77576132
Obviously sorted by rareness not difficulty

>>77625255
no, no one really knows what it sounded like let alone can speak it

>>77609360
They're very different in that speakers treat you massively different. French love when people, especially women, learn French and will help you IF you can get the pronunciation correct. Or they'll focus on the pronunciation and accent.

Germans are odd people but plenty of them are somewhat uneasy with other people learning their language, they can sometimes be downright hostile; especially if you can speak it decently.

German is seriously underrated and a neat language with much better literature and philosophy than French. French is easier to learn though because of how speakers treat learners

>>77625397
I don't get why Finnish is so far down; is it a joke?

>>77625397
>>77625589
I'm not the one who made the pic, but clearly it's not meant to be taken seriously

Though, come to think of it, maybe /lang/ really should get together to create a tier-list of sorts, a bit like /lit/ does with books, /mu/ with music, /tv/ with films, etc.

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fuck damn shit arse I always have a go at languages but I never follow through I hate it

anyway this time I'm having a go at russian

anyone have any language learning tips? and how to stick with it?

>>77582735
>the b sound is written mp since beta became veta
that's true in modern greek, too

>>77625737
don't get too caught up in the "language learning" meme. I mean learning languages as an identity or hobby in and of itself. Get interested in a particular language and stick with it. Being half-assed in a dozen languages means nothing compared to being fluent in two

Don't overthink it

>>77621824
Apart from some learning resources that I came across, I have listened to some Welsh songs. Most of them teach Southern Welsh through, I like Northern Welsh more, it has /ɨ/ and North Wales is Welsh stronghold.

Anyway, you should get used to the phonology and the orthography first. Welsh grammar (from what I have know n) is not extremely hard, and it's easier to pick words out when listening than French, for example.

>>77625800
well I know that but the only language I ever really got anywhere with was estonian and I know it at like low B1

I want to focus on one language because I'd love to be bilingual but I think I just am too impulsive and then expect too much too fast

what I think I should do is write down a list of reasons I want to learn russian and look at it when I'm not motivated

>>77625848
>what I think I should do is write down a list of reasons I want to learn russian and look at it when I'm not motivated

I mean seriously don't overthink it. Just say, I'm learning Russian, and don't question it. Make a habit of it and don't rely solely on the initial rush of a new and novel language

>>77625900
>initial rush of a new and novel language
that's what kills me every time
but you're right, I gotta stop thinking about why I even learn it and just accept it as a part of my life

do you speak any other languages?

>>77625938
Norwegian and German

>>77626065
what level are you? how long you have been studying them?
aside from not overthinking it, what do you think helps the most?

Why is it that in Russian the palatalized Л sometimes sounds so similar to its unpalatalized counterpart?

For example:
>Лéнин : https://forvo.com/word/%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BD/#ru
>Aлéхин : https://forvo.com/word/%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BD/#ru

In the second example, the palatalization of Л is very clear. However, in the first example, I'm struggling to hear it. If I didn't know any better, I would simply have said that the speaker wasn't doing any palatalization of that letter.

Anybody have any explanation on that? Do I simply need to train my ears to better hear those small nuances, or is there something else going on?

>>77626145
also, for the Лeнин link, make sure to scroll down to the bottom of the page for the Russian instead of the Tatar

>>77626112
Norwegian I can speak quite well, I don't read it very often though. I have been reading "Skabelsen, Mennesket og Messias" by Henrik Wergeland on and off for a couple years now. It's almost Danish though and I sometimes need a Danish dictionary. It's a pretty interesting piece and I've never read anything quite like it. German I read or try to read more of, and have an ok level at that; but I can't really speak it because I've only used it a handful of times and have never stayed in Germany. I mean I have good pronunciation and a good grasp of grammar, but being able to quickly form sentences off the top of your head and communicate it is a whole other area of expertise that requires regular usage.

Just steady, regular habit. Don't overwork yourself and look more towards doing a little bit regularly and having done some of it every day. Also approach from multiple angles, textbook, flashcards, audio-programs, classes, conversational partners, reading, etc. Never get fixated on a particular aspect of it and try to push on as evenly as possible

>>77626273
are you interested in finding a german language partner? it seems like if anything you just got a small gap in your ability that would be easy and fun to fill

ooh haha the multiple angles I've trouble with
I am shit at keeping up with textbooks (though I actually ordered one online)
flashcards I am so lazy to use anki and make cards, I can't afford classes

I wish I could be like one of those people that just apparently learn english from tv shows and shit

>>77625255
They dind't have a written form of their language, and all "their words" we have today are assumptions made from the comparison of different words from different languages that have some kind of connection. So, no, it's impossible.

>>77626349
I had one a couple of years back that sort of blew me off and never quite have managed to get a new one.

The multiple angles bit is an issue all autodidacts run into. A class is structured in such a way as to bring up grammar, vocabulary, reading comprehension, and basic conversational skills at a fairly even and steady pace; meaning that you're not overloading yourself in any particular (by cramming like 100 infinitive forms of a verb at once for example) direction.

English in the modern world is a really different situation. Foreigners can still basically immerse themselves in our popular culture. Imagine if everyone you knew had varying levels of a hard-ons for Russian. They listened to Russian music, watched Russian TV, listened to Russian music, used Russian slang, and regularly spoke in Russian, and almost all their time online was spent writing in Russian. The schools taught it early on a very important developmental period. Even the most anti-Russian or less educated person you knew spoke some Russian. For us immersion in another language can't reach that level, except by going to that country.

>>77626456
I think you should find a new german pal!

well in a way I am lucky because the case with russian is they sort of have their own internet "bubble" so to speak
it's like a different world with their own social medias and whatnot

I think I will also go through memrise word frequency list, study grammar on the side and then maybe I'll have a good enough base to do some immersion

>>77626498
my own suggestion is to consider limiting computer and internet based reading and education where possible. I, myself, get quite distracted and am in more of a defocused state of mind when I use my computer and find physical flashcards and textbooks a bit better. But that's just me, you should also look into how and where you learn best

good luck

>>77626547
yep, exactly the same here
that's why I already ordered a textbook because I find it 1000 times more tolerable than ebooks

Bump:)

>>77620483
for some words i manage to make it short, but some others i feel like I can't

>>77626204
>Члeнин

>>77601560
i'm a fan of ilbe ;)

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>>77614861
> Like Swedish culture and food? Learn Arabic!

well well well, we have a comedian on /lang

>>77625800
This. Most "polyglots" I've met pretty much just use it as a party trick to impress people or get them into bed. They'll memorise a few phrases and be capable of a basic conversation in 10 languages but can never progress beyond small talk.

>>77630325
Melania Trump speaks French

> Bonjour
> Je m'apelle Melania

that's all


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvhcgJGayc

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>he speaks more than one language

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I want to find someone for practice the conversational english. Also can help you with russian one.
Here's my telegram: [spoiler]@heyitsdani[/spoiler]

>>77630325
Some are legit, like that Italian Luca. But indeed most are just hacks. Talking about 'fluent in 3 months' Benny.

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>swedish/danish/norwegian/dutch/german/french/russian/polish
>tfw actually know these but nobody will believe you
>tfw people think it's hard to learn swedish/danish/norwegian even when they're basically dialects
>tfw learning italian rn and will probably not learn any other languages after this because it's getting stupid at this point

>>77631481
Only autism would make someone learns swedish/danish/norwegian/dutch and polish

>>77631481
btw danish just sounds like norwegian/swedish if you had a dick in your mouth, it's pretty funny.

>>77631517
Aspergers, anon...................

You should learn Norwegian instead of Swedish or Danish, because while these languages largely overlap, Norwegian speakers understand the other languages and are understood by the other languages the best of the three.

>>77631481
hoe goed is je Nederlands anoniempje?

What level of weird is Icelandic?

>>77631481
i don't believe you

>>77633818
Language nerd, there is a lot of historical text from old times in that language that is probably interesting and being norseboo/paganboo is quite mainstream I guess

>>77633959
I wanted to learn it so I can live there. I was kind of an Angloboo because I'm learning old English though.

no one will never *takes breath* NEVER, want to learn friulian language.

Why am I retarded and unable to remember anything on some days? I'm not tired or distracted, what the fug.

>>77634204
>tfw went to Friuli
>tfw there is a fight to know wether it is a language or a dialect

>здpaвcтвyйтe

My mouth is literally incapable of producing this sequence of syllables. I simply cannot say this word aloud. It's driving me insane.

Do you Russians have two fucking tongues or something? I'm still struggling just rolling my Rs let alone following a rolled R with "avstv".

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So I learned polish for about a year and after a full year i could barely undrstand intermediate text.

Then I tried mandarin, wasted about 100 hours on it and decided to fug out of it.

Then I learned a russian for half year and it was super easy compared to these two above and after 6 month I can easily read graded reading book amd understand it all. But constructin sentences is still pain in the ass. (Because i didn't touch grammar a single time).

>Yesterday I started learning spanish and managed to get 1000xp on duolingo in one day. I can listen to spanish music and already fully understand most of refrains. What the fugg spanish is so easy!

>>77635074
protip: you dont need to pronounce every single letter there, at least no one does here
people just say 'zdrastvuiti' or 'zdrastvaiti'

>>77635074
hello my R A R E polynesian brother
i understand you
sadly I can't help you with that, having grown up with english I'm quite familiar with small consonant clusters (but not as much as say a georgian where their mts'vrtneli is an actual word)

>>77635074
also pls vocaroo yourself speaking tok pisin or pidgin or whatever you speak there thx bby

>>77635074
Try to pronounce it like "ZdraSTVuyte" or "ZdraSTe"

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>le current year
>not learning Molise Croatian dialect
shame on you

Tip for rolled R !

Do you remember when you were kid and didn't know how to whistle?

It is the same with rolled R. You are trying to roll rongue too slow and weak. Try to roll it as fast and with as much force as you can and you will succeed.

2nd tip. Try to say long a. Like aaaaaaa. You see how your throat vibrate? Now say B! English R comes from the throat, it vibrates and rolled R come straight from the mouth like B there is no vibrating throat.

>Was this helpful?

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My shitty flowchart

>>77631481
Hvor lett var det å skjönne de andre skandinaviske språkene når du bare hadde lært ett? Innbiller meg at det er litt vanskeligere for utlendinger enn for oss som har vokst opp med de andre språkene i media.

>>77634204
no one will ever*

my friend from argentina speaks it because his family is from there originally.

>>77635074
It's actually not as difficult as it seems because the consonants are all slurred together. It sounds pretty much like this:
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0lOfdyZXWWn

>>77631481
How fluent are you in those languages?
>>77631608
You can't compare a Norwegian native speaker to someone who learns it as a second language

>>77636401
I'm a Spanish learner and find it interesting how you did Pimsleur. I feel like moving at the recommended pace for Pimsleur isn't ideal because it doesn't give enough supporting vocab or time for you to internalize the material.

>>77637387
My main problem with pimsleur is how casual it is with grammar. The lack of vocab is just a side-effect of the form of material (sentences only, effectively).

>>77637608
I've been tinkering with Michel Thomas on the side too. I haven't really found the balance yet, but I feel like doing a bit of Michel Thomas Spanish concurrently with Pimsleur Spanish might be a good combination.

Is MT available for Farsi?

>>77637669
Sadly not

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>tfw learning about the culture as well as the language

>>77626145
bumping my question

Russkies, please respond

>>77614847
I remember that thread, I was the anon who suggested you include assimil. I even still have your prototypes saved on my phone

>>77638004
How are you liking Clozemaster senpai?

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>>77639175
Like a better version of duolingo (actually has natural sounding sentences not complete nonsense like "the girls write in the sugar" etc).

Just downloaded a shitload of resources from that Cosmogyros blog. Should keep me busy for a while. Thanks for the help :)

>>77639353
Just realised I spelt Pyccкий wrong

Can anyone recommend me any decent steam games which I can change into French? Been playing an hour or so of games like Beyond Good and Evil on French to try and immerse myself a bit but need more for after I've completed BGAE.

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>>77639353
>(actually has natural sounding sentences not complete nonsense like "the girls write in the sugar" etc).
I got tired of this shit yet I continue

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>>77639353
>>77639862
I get tired of those smug cartoon characters, especially the poo in loo that has a gf.

I kinda want to learn how to do consonant clusters. I could vocaroo myself doing some and other anons help me out but considering my first language is English and a polynesian language, it'll sound awful.

How do you add multiple adjectives to a noun in Latin? Is there any order like in English?

>Sardinia is a Big Roman Island
>Sardinia insula magna Romana est

Would this be correct?

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>>77640971
>Sardinia
>Roman

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>>77641068
>Carthago
>Delenda non est

>>77640971
Order is completely irrelevant, as long as the adjectives are in the same case as the noun they're for it's fine.

>>77639815
Vaillant Hearts
the ww1 puzzle game

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>writing a post in Finnish
>forgot a word I need to use in the sentence I'm writing
>can remember it in English and can describe it in both languages but the exact word is completely lost to me in Finnish
>check dictionary
>then check google if I can put another word after it to make it into a compound word
>9 syllables, 23 letters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnSW_RHOhvI

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>tfw adding custom audio and css styling to your anki cards

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>>77646482
>still can't get accent marks to work in anki

best spaced repetition app/program?

>>77646743
I've been liking quizlet, but it costs 20 bucks a year for the long term learning option. Anki is probably the favorite on /lang/

>>77646482
>>77646732
>>77646936
the thing I can't stand about anki is making the cards and then finding the energy to remember to open it up and study every day

>>77647636
Making cards is part of studying for me. I actually do a mixture of physical notecards and quizlet. As far as remembering to use it, that's essential but you need to just establish a routine. Pick a time every day where you do your cards.

>>77646732
For me, there's about a 40% chance an accent will show up if I type it into anki if it's one where I have to use multiple key strokes (like alt gr + r then e for è)

>>77648150
I'm a macfag and accents work in every piece of software except anki for me. So I just kinda gave up. I tried a bunch of different alternate commands.

>>77648458
Can you copy and paste them in?

>>77648659
Yes, but over time that would get very old.

>>77647636
If you keep at it a while it becomes automatic
I don't even have to think about it, I just end up doing it somehow

At what point is most useful to travel to a country that speaks the language you want to learn? What level? B level trying to get A level?

>>77649198
A2-B1

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>tfw you manage to identify a mistake by a native speaker

>>77649477
Thank you.

Is learnimg Japanese worth it? I haven't made a lot of "real" progress in a few months beyond knowing kana because I've been contemplating

>>77650242
If you are going to live there or like consuming their cartoons, sure

>>77650242
If you don't intend to live there or making business there, then it's completely useless (in my opinion)
I do believe in learning a language for merely interest and the joy of doing it, but it's still something useless if you don't do anything of the above mentioned.

http://youtu.be/4jjEawqaMkE


Our guy made a new vid
>not learning proto Amharic

>>77654533
is he really our guy? he posts on /lang?

>>77654533
That guy's face makes me check for my wallet every three minutes.

So sometimes I go to foreign wikipedia and click random articles to see if I can read them.

I noticed some weird patterns I can't tell if wikipedia is trolling me or not.

If you click random article in German there's a high chance that the page will be some random unknown athlete who played 2 years of varsity in the 1970s, usually in soccer or ice hockey.

If you click random article in Dutch it will almost always be a one sentence article about a type of root or plant.

If you click random article in French it will be a 3 sentence article about a small town or province in some country or some kind of government/bureaucratic region.

If you click random article in Russian it will be a 20,000 word article about a bus model or some kind of industrial thing.

Am I getting memed? What is going on with this?

>>77626145
Both examples represent palatalized L. Honestly, they sound the same to me. Have you heard a non-palatal Л before Э in Russian? The difference is marked.

Jsj

>>77655825
>Have you heard a non-palatal Л before Э in Russian?
could you give me an example word?

>>77656013
A comparison between Лeнин and "Лэнин" by me:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s0RYD6CLx9iD

>>77656074
Bit of an afterthought, but since the sequence "лэ" doesn't (I think) occur in native Russian words, here it is at a common word boundary:

http://vocaroo.com/i/s1VHyRl2EIQa

Cдeлaл этo
"Did this."

Hopefully this helps.

>>77656074
>>77657259
Thanks, I think I understand better, right now I can't vocaroo but later if I can I'll try to do those myself, to see if I really have understood or not.

Just as a follow-up question: you said you couldn't hear the difference between the Aлeхин example and the Лeнин example, does that mean that the degree to which that consonant is palatalized is fairly variable/flexible? Because to me the л in Aлeхин is very clearly palatalized, but in Лeнин it's more "reserved" than in Aлeхин.

>>77576132
Hindi and urdu is the same,difference is only in writing system.