Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1871

>tfw never wrote a single hiragana
>tfw now want to learn how to write and maybe fuck a bit with calligraphy
>tfw have to relearn everything from scratch

this is not a pleasant feel

>>76540472
how long have you been studying?

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>>76540472
tfw have written down thousands of words/kanji but barely repeat them
tfw sometimes can't even read simple words, but instinctively know how to read complicated shit

>>76540555
this is complicated because I have stopped and started many times, but I'll have you know I have over seven thousand confirmed vocab on anki

>>76541163
Thats about where i am Lol
good time for me to start learning how to write too i guess

I think my retention for my personal mining deck is horrible compared to the 2k/6k/10k.
Can someone show me a good way to set up the cards they made?

>>76541163
>but I'll have you know I have over seven thousand confirmed vocab on anki
Fucking kek, more or less the same as myself, only with over four thousand confirmed vocab on anki. That doesn't cool at all.
Fair to assume after you relearn how to write the kana, kanji is next? A little earlier today I began working on a kanji deck to slowly chip away at over time. It's based on the strongest kanji in the kanji grid associated with the vocab deck I'm using, going a purely production style of word already reviewed/known from the vocab deck on the front, with the target kanji in the word expressed as kana.
Felt the urge to want to be able to write kanji from memory, in respect to the words I'm reviewing. Want to build up a different aspect of what is "known" about these facts/words being shoved into the old noggin.

Did anything particular prompt you to want to be able to write?

>>76541236
Same question as above, man. What makes you think it is a good time to learn how to write and do you have any approach in particular in mind?
It would be a curious thing if each of us went a different way about it. You know, for further down the line as a comparison for how well that sort of approach either worked or did not work. 向き不向きというものがある

>>76541796
>Did anything particular prompt you to want to be able to write?

nope, just think it would be cool

>Fair to assume after you relearn how to write the kana, kanji is next?
I'm going to start with both at the same time, I hope to be done with kana in 1-2 weeks

>>76541796
I want to learn how to write because I plan on studying in Japan.

>any approach in particular in mind?
Not sure how to learn really.
I was thinking of just learning them while going through a kanji deck.
Just learning 10 kanji or so a day, writing each one like 20 times or so. Then the next day write the ones I did the day before 10 times or so followed with the new ones.
Then from there just writing them maybe just 3 or 5 times or so for every time after that.

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Anyone know what this font is called?

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>>76541764
The Core 2k/6k/10k vocab deck is set up in an 'optimised' fashion which is designed with the intention of introduction groups of words based on kanji/readings. Compare that to words mined from things you are reading. While genres tend to have thematic clusters of words it probably doesn't have as much overlap as the Core deck/s do, potentially making it harder to recall words once their initial emotional connection them weakens from memory.

After a few reviews those mined words may end up being seemingly random and on the off chance using kanji which you may not have come across in as a small cluster of words the Core deck. That can make the term more obscure to memory, thus harder to recall.

Theoretical bunk aside, what are you retention rates for each deck?
The vocab deck I use is large-ish (around 14k words) which was custom made but similar to the Core decks. In terms of mining, I use the same deck. Mined cards are given top priority in the new card order; both in words already present in the deck but not yet reviewed and words which were added external to the original corpus.
Nothing really particular about it, to be honest. Pic related, as you can see it is similar to the Core2k/6k/10k deck. Many words have vocab audio on the rear of the card, but only for the vocab expression, not for the sentence. Not all cards have sentences, though.

Unless you are doing something rather odd with your cards, increasing retention probably has more to do with how you are reviewing than the card layout. Maybe the cards aren't being graded as honestly as they could be. Maybe the time it takes to review a card is too long and fraught with hesitation. Maybe there isn't enough reading done outside Anki. There are many different factors impacting retention (笑)

>>76541970
>nope, just think it would be cool
Hard to disagree.

>>76542234
Almost looks like a 篆書 font.
http://font.designers-garage.jp/ds/execute/FontSearch?searchType=1&saleType=0&category=09

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>>76542234
is this the comic sans of kanji fonts?

>>76542327
That's a beautiful card layout I must say.
Mine is just the basic with audio for the word alone
>{word}
>{definition}
>{example}

I also have a type of card where the audio alone is the on the front. This type tends to be the most difficult for me to recall the word.

>what are you retention rates for each deck
right now the 2k/6k/10 is around 83%-89% while learning 40 words a day.
my mining deck seems to be dropping below 70% now that the reviews are getting pretty big.

If only there was an addon to organize the cards by kanji or something
Think having audio sentences like the core would at least help?

It's fine to not immediately memorize new words in whatever you're reading right? Simply look them up, import, and continue reading?

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>>76544480
ハハハハハ言葉を一気に覚えられないってこの馬鹿ったれ
皆、指差して笑いにこい!!!

>>76544480
If you speak with Japanese a lot they kinda feel like though go into some subconscious part and they will pop into your head if that topic ever comes up.

I find after that, you have an actual memory with the word and can recall it again pretty easy.

Can I turn off cards becoming leeches?

I really don't mind if they are.

>>76542234
it's some seal script imitation font http://designpocket.jp/dl_font_category/list.aspx?smod=3&tfid=63&os=Win

Sakubi is a groundbreaking grammar guide that is right now being read by millions of Japanese learners JUST LIKE YOU!

>>76547047
In the deck options, change the Leech action to Tag Only.

>>76544480
You should memorise it to the extent that memorisation is required for reading and understanding the sentence. In most cases that means a 10 second or even a 2 second memory is enough, unless you need to look up two or more words in a single clause in which case you might want to put in a bit more.

So I'm currently going through the 2k/6k core deck from the guide (about 250 words in).

Should I bother trying to transfer to a bigger deck later? Is that an easy process? Or should I just finish up this deck and tae kim and begin reading?

>>76548133
I can only reccomend you to start reading something easy as soon as you feels omewhat comfortable with, you'll have to look up tons of words/grammar anyway sooner or later
anki is a good TOOL, but it's not the final purpose, some people are so submerged in it that they do nothing else really

>>76548133
You should be reading and mining by 2k at the latest. Getting to 6k without reading is pure ankidrone territory, those cards are only worth having there if you might become unable to mine for whatever reason.

>>76548267

My idea was to finish up Tae Kim and bring whatever vocabulary I have built up to that point into reading.

>>76548360
Sounds good

To those that know a good number of Kanji, can you read Chinese? It seems to me that you'd at least know what the words mean.

>>76548360
I'd recommend you Aku no Hana, most speech bubbles don't have more than one two short sentences at a time and the content is easy to follow and not too abstract
it's about an edgy snowflake teenager torn between the bad girl and the (seemingly) miss perfect, so most guys can relate I guess

most people will go with Yotsuba, but personally I didn't find it interesting enough to go beyond volume 2

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>>76548547
sometimes it's even fairly obvious, for example in the latest episode of silicon valley
pic related, something about production safety measures

assuming this is actual chinese

I want to learn Japanese badly UwU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UQYc08WfxM

>>76548897
hate to break to you but that's chinese

>>76548959
b-but there's anime on the video
anime is Japanese
so confusing

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>>76548897

>>76548796
Good to know, thanks for the info. I guess that's free protection from getting chinked for learning Japanese.

>>76549118
Thinking from Portuguese speaker's perspective, the comprehensibility of Chinese can vary from Italian to Romanian depending on how many unknown hanzi or grammar-related ones show up, titles and descriptions are more in line with Japanese.

>>76548565
The CoR only has up to volume 6 tho

>>76549713
you can find the rrest of it here

http://www.manga-zone.org/archives/1667.html

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>>76548565
>Yotsuba, but personally I didn't find it interesting
How does it feel being dead inside?

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>>76549813
ありがとう

>>76550242
so-so

is it really worth it to learn the radicals before starting with the 2k/6k kanjis ?

>>76551146
Well memorising them should take a week at most, so even if it isn't worth it you haven't lost much.

僕の留守の間にスレが死なないようにしてください

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お誕生日おめでとう!

When I use AnkiDroid, I notice a "X cards due (X minutes)" counter at the top. What is the purpose of the minutes counter? I don't see it on AnkiWeb, and it doesn't seem to correlate to when the new day starts.

>>76551146
It can help you recognize kanji from their components, instead of trying to memorize the symbols as a whole.
Like, even if the kanji doesn't take meaning from its radicals, it can still be helpful to remember the symbol as something like "day, earth, inch" rather than "series of scribbles #1264."

>>76533845
Is Japanese text equally readable on it?

>>76555827
I've always assumed it's an estimate of how long you'd take to do that given day's reps. Pretty meaningless stat, all in all.

>>76542327
How do your mined cards look like?
I guess that one is a premade one am I right?

>>76557051
I never gave it a try because I can't read japanese without a mouseover dictionary yet, making reading manga at the computer much more convenient. Give me a moment to transfer some raw manga over.

Should Katakana be revised to be more ambiguous towards English loan words since there are so many? Even adding a syllable for "si" or something. They added "ti" sound for "party", why not add more?

I have some Japanese friends who are really frustrated that they can't say certain words in English and I feel like it's due to the syllabry restricting them from birth.

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>>76560214
>>76557051
It's readable. It's kinda hard to make out the furigana, but if it's not impossible. It's kind of hard to read in the original too, though.
http://raw.senmanga.com/Non-Non-Biyori/65/3

>>76561686
Clean those edges

>>76561728
Hah, thanks for reminding me. I live near a animal feed factory so I've kind of grown used to that residue being pretty much everywhere.

>>76561436
Extended katakana is a thing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Katakana_table_extended), but I really doubt it will ever see much serious use.

>>76561787
Those are all already used in loan words.

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>>76561808
Really? All of them? I've seen many in use such as the ts-, f-, and extra t- and d- sounds, but I'm not sure about the rest.

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>>76561763
A clean e-reader is a happy e-reader

>>76561950
Flush bezels are the future.

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>>76561950
>tfw my old ass kindle 4 doesn't support vertical japanese text
I mean, it isn't that important, but it still sucks. Perhaps there's a way to do it but I haven't been able to figure it out.

>>76562151
Does it turn it into horizontal text? I would be fine with it, vertical text was a mistake.

>>76562185
You can't learn Japanese.

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>>76562151
>>76562185
>it isn't that important
>vertical text was a mistake
It's part of the experience though

>>76562185
It just takes some getting used to. Keep reading like that, start with reading some easy to understand manga and you'll get it.

>>76562239
I know, mate. I prefer vertical text, that's why I said the lack of support sucked.

>>76561945
Was thinking the same thing, haven't really seen all of them that often.

Mostly the フ ones.

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>>76561686
Fuck I want to read manga on the go too.

What's the best device for doing so?
Are tablets better than e-reader for manga?

>>76561787
has anyone ever seen イィ?

for some of them I didn't even know they existed and I have seen plenty of katakana I'd say

>>76561686
That's certainly readable, thanks. If it turns out the jailbreak isn't worth doing I could always return it. Amazon doesn't have to know. I should probably unlink any accounts though.

>>76561950
What are you reading?

>>76562627
I'd say that a Kobo Aura One is probably the best of the mainstream e-readers to read manga on, as it's got a 7.8" screen. Other than that, the Onyx e-readers have pretty decent screen sizes, but I have no experience with them because >Brazil.

You should only buy an e-reader if you plan to read actual books. For manga exclusively, I feel tablets are a better deal. A low-end tablet will handle manga, but only a high-end e-reader will handle manga.

>>76548897
Even when it's sung nicely it still annoyed me.

>>76562721
ココロコネクト
Still out of my league though
>>76562759
>Calibrate your monitor
What did Brazil-dono mean by this

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ああああ小さなクモがコンピューターに入っちゃった、冗談だろう

Someone help me understand this:

結婚した後、多額の保険金をかけられて殺されるのかとも思ったが、はたして本当に殺す人間が面と向かって疑われそうなことをいうだろうか。

"I wondered if I would get killed for the insurance money after I got wed, but......."

What does the second part mean & am I on the right track as for the first part?

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>>76562759

>>76563408
>but...
would someone willing to kill a person really say something suspicious right to his face?

>>76563463
>アンタ

>>76563015
えぇサイバー雨が降るかもね!

Turns out there's no way (currently) to jailbreak my kindle. Does anyone know if there's a way to convert images to actual text (OCR) that can be read on the kindle for the purpose of word lookup?

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Slowly but surely learning this kana.
I've found a fun way to practice is opening japanese meme videos on youtube and scanning the titles and comments for any kana I recognize and can spell out

>>76566406
You should be writing them in the order aiueo.

>>76566456
Does the ordering really matter much? Other than from a memorization standpoint.

>>76566485
It's the Japanese equivalent to aeiou. I think it's worth knowing.

>>76566554
When I open a new practice page, I'll do it in order. Might as well standardize it.

>>76566566
Also use graph paper to help with your terrible handwriting. And don't forget to sit up straight.

>>76566626
>terrible handwriting
T-thanks
Will do, though

>>76566649
Your handwriting isn't terrible.

>>76566406
you need to look at practice sheets for hiragana because those hiragana are extremely ugly. the balance is off and hooks are missing. at least fix your う because it looks like ラ. but i don't want to say at least because you might interpret it like the others are somewhat okay which they aren't.

>>76566485
does the order of the alphabet matter or is it just for kids' memorization?

>>76566406
A-anon, how does your English handwriting look like?

>>76566406
This brings back memories, I'm moving so all my shit is packed up or I would post a picture of my scratch work when I first started.

Keep up the good work anon, writing is what has kept me in this so long. Favorite part of the whole thing.

I never did the aeiou thing either, as long as you remember the columns, like し and ちbelonging in the い column and that things like we and ye don't exist you should be fine. As far as I know those columns are used for organizing conjugations, different stems and not much else.

Things to watch out for are your うs looking like a katakana ラ, some of the けs look like し or レ, try less emphasis on the tail. I usually just do a straight like for the left side of け.

え,そ、あ and い look good for a beginner level but it looks like you need to slow down a bit, take your time. Watch some videos of how people write, it helped me a lot.

あきらめないで!がんばって

>>76567051
Alphabetical order is of great help when looking at long lists. I was shocked to discover most people around me know it just half-assedly, when it feels like second nature to me.

>>76562627
>Are tablets better than e-reader for manga?
Yeah, I'd say. Cheaper, larger resolution, less lag between 'turning' pages, full colour for colour pages, larger storage, etc.
From my understanding -which may be wrong- but e-ink screens are static and need to be refreshed to alter the image on the screen. This is why they can last for so long, as it is really only refreshing once a page is turned or once a prompt on the page is triggered, like using a built in dictionary, etc.
While reading manga on a tablet, being able to pinch-zoom in and out on the fly is such a great little feature, something not really capable on an e-ink ereading tablet screen. Not at least without significant lag.

That, and with an Android tablet you can use the OCR Manga Reader app, which can hook into Aedict, Ankidroid, etc. In a nutshell I'd say that an Android tablet is a better choice as a portable manga reader device for learners. Or anyone, I guess. How many e-ink readers these days can you throw a 64GB sd card into? Manga can take up a fair amount of space if the intention is to carry around a mini-library on in your pocket, after all.

/10円

>>76567206
>long lists
Like?

I haven't found much of a reason to know the alphabetical order yet. Maybe if I was doing documentation or insurance papers in Japan it might be useful?

>>76567342
For me, it helps when looking through playlists in rhythm games.

>>76567377
That's incredibly specific.

But what if things are in Kanji? Don't they just get grouped by radicals then?

I can't imagine 気 and 木 being beside each other just because they're both き

>>76567440
why are you stating your experiences and thoughts about things when you obviously don't know anything?

>>76567583
Why are you here?

>>76567342
>Like?
Are you retarded? Or just spoiled by Ctrl+F? Have you never needed to look for names on a list?
I'm talking about the ALPHABET, by the way. If you're talking about Japanese, it sucks big time because there might be more than one way to sort things. Iroha being one of them and gojuuon being another.
Gotta memorize both the iroha poem and aiueo_akasatanahamayarawan
At least you can listen to songs for the iroha order, since it's organic.

>Maybe if I was doing documentation or insurance papers in Japan it might be useful?
Yes, maybe if you were doing documentation or insurance papers in Japan it might be useful.

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>>76567051
I definitely need to practice more. Calligraphy has never been my strong suit.
>>76567101
Pic related, still terrible.
>>76567156
I try to write to memorize the characters better. I might as well order it to keep everything neat.
I do rush when I write, evident by how I write in English.

Thank you guys for the support! I'll keep practicing, gonna try to practice the kana I know every day.

>>76567639
>Are you retarded? Or just spoiled by Ctrl+F?
I guess both. Obviously I haven't sorted through lists. I thought that dictionaries were organized based on radicals and thought I was good.

I'll have to practice more.

>>76567623
just to suffer

>㌕
>
RARE KANJI RIGHT HERE.

>>76568022
>square kilogram

>>76567697
you can write as hasty and ugly as you want, but it has to develop from the basic form. you need to know what lines have hooks and not, what lines are longer or shorter etc. then your writing will develop just as a native speaker's would.

>>76568022
>literally just the katakana arranged in a funny way
what

>>76568167
It wouldnt be as big of a deal for me if it wasnt for the similarity of some symbols. Like how you say my うs look like ラs. I should practice those more.

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Interesting resource, but paywalled:

http://www.joyokanji.com/
http://www.joyokanji.com/radical-notes
http://www.joyokanji.com/jokia/album/free/302

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>>76567697
This is my favorite stroke order chart, maybe you'll find it useful.

>>76568270
Saving this for when I get into katakana, thanks!

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>>76568270

>>76568341
You're either parsing it wrong or looking at a name.

>>76568217
thing is you're doing actual errors, just not sloppy writing. look at your け. the hook on the first stroke may be skipped, but the stroke order makes it likely to link with the second stroke in hasty writing. but your け has a hook on the third stroke, which is nothing but incorrect.

>>76569344
I see that, I need to train to just put a line down

I need help with this. I think it's saying

"I brought your sisters nieces to since she's in bora bora?"

ボルボラ島に行った妹さんの代わりにあなたの姪たちを連れてきました

Am i right?

>>76570119
Typo correction:
That "to" shouldn't be in there.

I need to hire a woman from /djt/ to whip me into submission so that I can learn Japanese.

>>76570406
>woman from /djt/
no such thing

>>76570119
>妹さんの代わり
instead of your sister
>あなたの姪たち
your nieces

Try again.

>>76570561
I brought your nieces instead of your sister because she's in bora bora?

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>>76570638
ぴんぽん. Yes.

>>76568022
Read that post as られat first.

why is it
わたし は よんじゅうはっさい です。
instead of
わたし は よんじゅうはちさい です。

p-please respond

>>76571126
where did you find this sentence?
My assumption would be that it's just trying to graphically represent the assimilation taking place for the manner of articulation.

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>>76571696
GENKI I 2nd edition.

>>76563463
笑ってさせた

I can't figure out this sentence.

大声でいばりちらして

大声で:Aloud
いばりちらして:??

This is from a manga

ヘロ!アイ・エム・スピキング・エン・ジャパニス。ナイス・ツ・ミツ・ユ。

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>>76573425
大声で means "in a loud voice."

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>>76567697
>My handwriting is always shit
Same here, I'm so fucking ashamed of my handwriting.

They must've dropped me as baby and I fell on that part of the brain that is for handwriting or something.

>>76574198
How long have you been studying/writing Japanese? Your characters look natural

When should I be able to talk to people naturally?
I think I've learned several thousands of words but I forget them during conversations.
Do I need to wait till I have someone to talk with on a daily basis to expect to be decent?

>>76574292
You think?

Serious studying around 14months now I think.

I tried writing at the beginning after learning kana, but it looked terrible and I couldn't remember them well so I stopped after 2-3 days.
Came back one year later, now that I know kana by heart it's hell of a lot easier to write, I just checked stroke order and wrote them all down a few times.

Not sure how much time I spent on it, I only practiced at work so I could concentrate on other stuff at home.

>>76574418
I'm still really new so it seems like yours is better, and it definitely looks better than my work.

>>76574359
>Do I need to wait till I have someone to talk with on a daily basis to expect to be decent?
I would think so, chatting is probably enough though.

It was like that for me at least when learning English.
Before talking online I could barely form an English sentence at all.

But that might be the textbooks fault, they usually gave you all the words you are supposed to use in the sentence and you just had to put them in the right order and / or tense.

>>76573425
>いばりちらして
Its 原型 is いばりちらす.

>>76568190
It takes up a single character space as read by computers, which is handy at times. There is a similar thing for Muslims and their verbal tick like usage of "(PBUH)", which was made into a single character, ﷺ.
They even have this phrase as a "single" character as read by computers: .
Good for the Muslim version of Donald Trump, what with Twitter and their 100 or so character limit per post.

Unicode, man. What can't it do?

>>76574545
>What can't it do?
Avoid being bloated by emojis, apparently.

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>>76574506
You could try printing out one of these http://happylilac.net/hiragana-50.html

There is more on that site http://happylilac.net/sy-linkk.html

Pic related is where you can find katakana and other versions.

How do I correctly write the small やよゆつ kana on grid paper?

Do I squeeze them both on a single block, write it smaller one square beneath, what?

>>76574564
Shrinking meme phrases down into a single character entry point is the opposite of bloat. That "bloat" is a boon for everyone.
〾 〶 〄 〆


㌀ ㌁ ㌂ ㌃ ㌄ ㌅ ㌆ ㌇ ㌈ ㌉ ㌊ ㌋ ㌌ ㌍ ㌎ ㌏ ㌐ ㌑ ㌒ ㌓ ㌔ ㌕ ㌖ ㌗ ㌘ ㌙ ㌚ ㌛ ㌜ ㌝ ㌞ ㌟ ㌠ ㌡ ㌢ ㌣ ㌤ ㌥ ㌦ ㌧ ㌨ ㌩ ㌪ ㌫ ㌬ ㌭ ㌮ ㌯ ㌰ ㌱ ㌲ ㌳ ㌴ ㌵ ㌶ ㌷ ㌸ ㌹ ㌺ ㌻ ㌼ ㌽ ㌾ ㌿ ㍀ ㍁ ㍂ ㍃ ㍄ ㍅ ㍆ ㍇ ㍈ ㍉ ㍊ ㍋ ㍌ ㍍ ㍎ ㍏ ㍐ ㍑ ㍒ ㍓ ㍔ ㍕ ㍖ ㍗ ㍘ ㍙ ㍚ ㍛ ㍜ ㍝ ㍞ ㍟ ㍠ ㍡ ㍢ ㍣ ㍤ ㍥ ㍦ ㍧ ㍨ ㍩ ㍪ ㍫ ㍬ ㍭ ㍮ ㍯ ㍰ ㍱ ㍲ ㍳ ㍴ ㍵ ㍶ ㍻ ㍼ ㍽ ㍾ ㍿

Need another single point entry:
x・_・x

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>>76574791
I'm talking about their obsession with implementing emoji, not those abbreviations.

>>76574772
however you want to do only if it looks "ゃゅょっ" to anyone.

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I understand parts of this sentence, but I don't get how it fits together.

>うまくいけば = if it goes well
>プーーーッって = sound of microwave beeping
>ふくらむ (cake) gets big
>から because - I really don't understand why this is here or its purpose in this sentence

I also don't understand the combination of プーって and 膨らむ. An adverb of a microwave beeping doesn't seem to fit with an verb talking about the cake

>>76574831
There's no standard way to do it? That's a load off my chest at least. Thanks.

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Can anyone help me with this sentence? What does 正月して means?
I'm guessing it's something like "Since I thought Kiyotachi are coming back, I haven’t prepare for the New Year yet"

>>76574811
>their obsession with implementing emoji
Σ(・∀・;)

>>76574841
'because if it goes well, it will プーッって expand'
I dont think thats a microwave sound, チンする gives me a hint
and プンプン as an angry face thats puffing out the cheeks(probably from ぷっと)

>>76574841
>プーーーッって
this doesn't mean the microwave, the micromave will make a sound regardless if it goes well or not (also they go *bing*)
it's just a sound effect she makes to describe the cake getting bigger, she's talking to a child after all

the から maybe refers to the fact that they have to heat it in the first place
personally I believe japanese somestimes like to throw in から、だから and others as filler words for good measure

Is this thread better than /jp/'s?

C-Can I learn Japanese on my own while also studying French at uni?

>>76548565
>Aku no Hana
Stop ruining his taste you fucking faggot. Aku no Hana is a shit manga with an even worse anime adaptation.

>>76575353
>Is this thread better than /jp/'s?
I only look into their DJT thread once in a while, but it seems to me that they ask more beginner questions
they also talk more about VNs and other typical weeb stuff, /jp/ is about advanced autism after all

>C-Can I learn Japanese on my own while also studying French at uni?
bien sûr, pourquoi pas! Mais apprendre le francais est très plus facile qu'apprendre le japonais pour être honnête
pour faire le meme progrès en les deux langues on doit investir peut-être le quadrouple ou quintuple effort

>>76574772
Writing horizontally, they'll be in the bottom left of the next block. Writing vertically, they'll be in the top right corner of the next block. Same goes for punctuation.

>>76576002
Thanks!

>>76574857
I think you're right in your interpretation of 正月してない. But I think the first part would be "I thought I'd do if after Kiyo and the others came back (but they haven't), so..."

>>76575353
/jp/'s is a bit weird, for one there is sometimes a spammer that copies questions and answers from reddit onto it. Also the mods are extremely strict, if you post even something slightly off-topic the entire comment thread will get removed pronto.

>>76577360
>there is sometimes a spammer that copies questions and answers from reddit onto it
I'm convinced it's a faggot from /int/, not the first time someone was shitposting over there.

Is 間接キッス just a meme? I always burst out laughing when I happen to stumble upon it in VNs. It just seems so ridiculous.

>>76579413
I'm not a weeb, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. But I've gotten a 間接ペニスキッス before.

>>76579508
How does that even work?

>leg = 足
>foot = 足
Is Japanese memeing me?

>>76579581
I once attended as birthday party with my girl. As soon as we saw the host, she greeted my girl with a big, long smooch on the lips. The thing is that my girl had given me head less than ten minutes before that and didn't wash out her mouth after at all. So the gitl celebrating indirectly kissed my dick.

>>76579663
Just use a more specific expression when necessary.

>>76579663
you're tricked, leg is 脚

whole part beneath groin

>>76579508
>>76579705
Fuck off normalfag.

>>76579757
Relax. Just think about how often we greet female acqaintances with kisses on the cheek etc. on the daily. We probably all gave indirect penis kisses before. It's not a big deal but I somehow found it arousing desu, when I got an indirect p.kiss.

>>76579705
That's sounds hilarious. What's said nukige's name?

>>76579870
What's a nukige? The girl that kissed my gf? Her name was Marina.

>>76579817
When you greet someone, female or male, it's always cheek-on-cheek.
Mouth-on-cheek is reserved for family or the girl that has a crush on you.
So, normally, not everyboy gave an indirect penis kiss before.

>tfw mouth-on-cheek kissless

>>76579937
Is it worth to play her route, or is your gf's better one?

>>76574857
thats an unusual expression. its omitted hard like niggas talkin shit

it just means "i havent happy new year'd yet" and this is the correct answer

she didnt use a verb but verbalized 正月

>>76579969
>it's always cheek-on-cheek

Yes, that's the normal way. But sometimes you kind of fuck up because one of you moves or because alcohol is involved etc. So you accidently directly kiss on the cheek or get kissed on yours.

>>76580006
My gf is the best thing to ever happen to me. The other girl is awesome too though.

>>76580040
Ok, thanks.
I'll start with your gf and move onto Marina later.

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What does ぬわー mean?
I can't find any useful results.

https://translate.google.com/#ja/en/ぬわ
http://jisho.org/search/ぬわ
http://thejadednetwork.com/search/?keyword=ぬわ&submitSearch=Search&x=

>>76580175
>manga reader
>not only getting with girls but even steal them from other men

I'm can't say I'm scared of my girl leaving me for you, matey. lol

>>76580259
It literally means "Nn... aaagh!"

>>76580288
>manga reader
What did you mean by this?

>>76580259
feel it. seriously. you should memorize every kind of these 擬音-ish word with a picture. that panel would explain what the fuck is going on there

im confused nuwaaaa-
the hell is this nuwawaaaaaaa
what brought this on nuwwaaaa

>>76580317
>>76580396
I see, thank you.

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>>76579413
it is merely an event in an anime for 14-year old virgins
>>76574857
Because I thought Kiyo and your family would come back, I haven’t celebrated the New Year yet"
正月する to celebrate or enjoy New Year's Holiday
>>76579581
for only gays
>>76580501
come to JT

Are radicals never used on their own ?
In the anki deck, I learned 艸 is くさ.I wanted to look it up again, but the IME or jisho proposed me 草 instead. With 貝 it's even worse, I had to scrool quite a lot before finding it.

I'm confused.

>>76580735
>艸
whats this i havent even ever seen this shit in my whole life except for something similar to that in an emoji

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>>76580845
>The first 48 radicals in this deck was ordered to match 48 most frequent radicals in that website (which help you cover 75% of Joyo Kanji)

Are you telling me that I’ve been deceived?

hello /djt/, I browsed this thread many years ago when I was still learning Japanese. I studies it for a little more than a year. and after listening to some Japanese songs again (not weeb shit), I find myself being interested again.

so anyway, I used to be a /jp/ nerd and practiced by playing VN's, but I'm not interested in that stuff anymore, I mainly browse /lit/ these days and would like to be able to read the literature and poetry so my question is: what low level material can I consume in Japanese which is somehwat interesting and not too weeb related. if anyone could recommend me some YA or childrens books that would be great. sorry for the long post.

>>76580735
>>76581034
That is the old font of 草
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/%E8%89%B8
Common Japanese know usually such a thing.
Do not be deceived by Zainichi liar like >>76581034

>>76580845
>>76581034
I've only seen something similar with 雛 but they aren't next to each other like with this 艸

>>76581467
Fuck off, Pantsuya.

>>76581462
Why would you learn japanese if not for weeb culture? If you are into /lit/ go learn russian.

>>76581733
I like Japanese, might learn Russian too some day but not as interested, although I do admit their literature is excellent.

>tfw learning nip so you can read all those sites that translate 4chan articles

>>76581484
For naive Japanese, it is easy to notice that you ,the Japanese flag resides in DJT, is not Japanese.
YOU ZAINICHI FUCK OFF

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>>76540210
Post benis.

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Where in Tae Kim is the adjective to noun conjugation mentioned?

>>76581914
You're pathetic. Go spend time with your child and stop wasting your time here. No one wants to hear what you have to say.

>>76582183
I found a little bit a the bottom of this page
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/amount

Not sure if he covers this in more depth, I only found the page by searching for "さ" on the main contents page for his grammar guide.

Man, the anons who waft into these threads from /jp/ and JP are consistently the most obnoxious cunts. Why can't they leave their drama in their own threads?
Why shit up this thread?

>>76582282
Thanks.

>>76581462
yuikawa kei writes a lot of short stories about adult women at various ages and they're fairly easy to read. the cultural differences are very clear and interesting at times too. i think her story collections would be ideal for starting books.

akagawa jiro is fairly easy crime novels. teenage-level.

i hear murakami haruki is easy but i don't like him so i don't know.

i think marukami ryu is the best japanese author and i know i'm not alone in that. just don't pick one of his novels where one sentence covers ten pages like melancholia. but even when i get completely lost after two pages i can't stop reading him. that's how good he is.

if you still lack a lot of kanji i would recommend against starting with old author/classics because they in general tend to use more obscure non-joyo kanji.

>>76581462
if you want know about Japanese any more
Come to JT
>>76582239
>>76582722
Do not pretend to be Japanese.
日本人じゃないのに、フリをするんじゃねーよ

pantsuya pls

>>76582969
>come circlejerk with tripfags and namefags about things completely unrelated to Japan in a thread being spammed 24/7 by bots
Kill yourself.

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>>76582090
Reading is like a treasure hunt for rare kanji.

>>76582722
>>76582969
thanks for the replies. ill check those authors out.

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>>76584518
is it still getting spammed? what a shame

>discover nikkei has podcasts
>download 3
>they all have the format "old experienced man explains stuff to girl with cute high pitched voice"
this format is true japanese meme. someone please wipe it off the face of japan

>>76580259
these are subspecies of うわー
ぬわー
どわー
おわー, and so on

>>76584653
do you actually need more than the 2100 something kanji one needs?

I'm at like 200-ish so far

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>tfw you have a bad day with anki and you have 150% the normal amount of reviews tomorrow

>>76586159
I can't imagine anyone being satisfied with 2100 if they want to read novels, though at that point reading should be comfortable enough that you might start to enjoy finding the occasional new kanji. Learning new kanji gets easier and easier with experience, and after 2500 or so it will probably be as easy to learn a word with new kanji as any other word. Remember that Chinese know many thousands more. Your brain can handle it easily.

>>76574791
>>76574811
Stupid.

Why is there a ㍘-㍰ character set? What about numbers bigger than 24? What about other counters other than 点?
Having a "cm" symbol as a single character is no different than having an angry emoji that represents a concept beyond letters/characters.
It's unnecessary and creates a lot of awkward branching, splits standards in several concurrent methods for no reason.

Maybe in the past it was needed to bypass size restrictions, but not anymore. Fuck Twitter, that site has a self-imposed limit and people trying to circumvent it by changing how everything other than Twitter operates is really dumb.
When you can't reproduce the character with common letters, like the Copyright R it's still understandable, but there are lot of really shitty makeshifts around, like the fact you can't go beyond 123 and just have to write ^number most of the times. What's the purpose of this crap?

Fuck people, man.

Why does the core 2k/6k deck put words with the same kanji, same pronunciation, but different meanings, on different cards? Wouldn't it be better to just treat it as one word with multiple definitions?
It really messes with me when I get a new word that looks the same as one I've already learned, and it turns out to have an unfamiliar definition.

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>>76564153
Danke

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tfw you can read a "special" word without the furigana in a manga that generally doesn't use them

>>76588087
iktf

i'm really strict with myself so sometimes I've hit "again" on words where the "next" time was more than a year because I recalled the meaning for a more recent card with the same word

>>76587241
>It's unnecessary
It's not, and calling things stupid which you clearly don't understand is short sighted, at best.

>Fuck people, man.
In particular those ones who think their ego is more important than spending a few minutes looking something up before sperging out.
https://googleblog.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/unicode-over-60-percent-of-web.html
https://medium.com/@MedvedevTheDev/why-encoding-matters-a-primer-on-bits-bytes-and-history-4ec9dc441355

Your objections basically sounds like one of those people who cry about NASA funding being a waste of money. Every byte counts, bro.

Jesus dicks I can read so much more than I can hear.

What do you guys do for listening practice?

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>ありえなくない
this expression almost feels like seeing a rare kanji, never came across it before

>>76591517
Anime
Nip youtubers
Japanese TV shows
games with jap audio

>>76591620
Do you just listen and try to catch words when you can?

The problem I'm having is the words tend to blur together and get jarbled when I'm listening or other times I recognize the word but can't recall it fast enough and I end up losing half the sentence while thinking about it.

>>76575812
Sorry, I went to sleep before you replied.

So even if I'm okay with making slower progress in Japanese, I can just put in...not THAT much effort?
Awesome.
>>76577360
I'll stick to /int/, I've frequented here for years anyways.

>>76591790
Do less than an hour a day and you'll probably give up before it ever pays off.

>料理屋の中
>Aさん: (面倒なことに なる前に 立ち去ろう)
>Aさん: あ あの。。。 お持ち帰りで。。。
>Bさん: 水くせえな 食ってけって!
>Bさん: ほらっ それ(待ち札)持って 座ってな!
>Aさん: 強制!?

「水くせえな 食ってけって!」
何だこれ? 他の全部が分かる
"You stink of water so please eat!" 確かに違う

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>>76590999
Are you mentally handicapped? Yes, you are.
Encoding and cross-compatibility has nothing to do with what I said about superfluous symbols existing.
Just because 人間 is a common word, doesn't mean there should be a Unicode character that makes 人 and 間 a single character, and that goes for a lot of things currently present in Unicode.
That's reverse-engineered thinking, some retard saw "oz" on a recipe book written with a tiny little font and considered that to be some sort of Western kanji, when all it is really is a personalized space-saver from that niche's press, something that shouldn't be made standard because if that's the case, anything goes. Why not a Trump character, since his name shows up more in the news lately than, say, the interrobang?

The solution is (was) simple, formatting. Keep the characters sets limited, but use a system that allows you to cram symbols together (think LaTeX) if needed. Or use fucking pictures instead of retarded new-age emoticons with arbitrary appearance and color.

But sure, mate, you're right about it, I can't wait for emojis of mai waifu. It's past the time people like me stopped hindering the system! I just hope they choose the best image of her, else we'll need a full set of emojis to cover all visual material ever produced of her - don't wanna leave anything behind.

>>76592431
>Encoding and cross-compatibility has nothing to do with what I said about superfluous symbols existing.
If encoding X contains a character Y, then unicode must somewhere somehow encode character Y.

It has literally everything to do with superfluous symbols existing. It is literally the reason that unicode encodes them.

>>76591790
it really depends on your goals, if you're able to enjoy small victories and the learning process as a whole then japanese might be the thing for you
but if you expect to be able to force quick results you should learn something else

>>76592057
This, 110%

>>76592057
So an hour a day is the minimum recommended?
>>76592547
I've studied 3 languages, but all of them romance.
I want to learn something new.

>>76591517
I've just started watching K-On without subtitles, and I turn on Japanese subs if I can't catch a word after listening to the sentence a couple times.

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>>76592462
Nice comprehension skills, lardtub, but instead of rushing your reply, try reading the argument. Which is these characters shouldn't exist. None of these: http://xahlee.info/comp/unicode_units.html

a.m. is already possible to write with 4 characters.
mm2 is already possible to write with 3 characters.

Unicode is a catch-all solution, yes, but a lot of the characters it encompasses are redundant. My rant has nothing to do with making retarded symbols cross-compatible, but with not making them in the first place. Laughing black man with blue shirt and yellow hair is NOT a character needed to express any language in the world.

And the Japanese are kinda guilty for it, since they were the pioneers in making the remainders of their original encoding table into pictures.

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So long as we're sperging about unicode this is cool.

http://reedbeta.com/blog/programmers-intro-to-unicode/#scripts

>>76592802
>So an hour a day is the minimum recommended?
with romance languages you can start immediately, you already know the basic grammar, at least half the words are already familiar/self-explanatory, sometimes almost the same even... with japanese you have none of this
the biggest problem is learning kanji though, with japanese you'll have to invest a shitload of time just so you can read
without a set minimum of effort you won't gain any ground

I don't want to discourage you, you should just be aware of the fact that it will be nothing like you're used to

>>76592808
They already exist. There is nothing to complain about. This problem is not our fault. It's historical. You don't walk around complaining about Japs using Kanji in the first place.

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>食ってく気満々かよ
I'm not sure what's going on there.
How do I break down the grammar?

>>76593562
食って
いく
気満々

>>76593562
Contraction of ていく just like ている->てる

>>76592401
水臭い means to be standoffish.

let's hear about your accomplishments today, DJT

as for me, I read all 5 volumes of the manga ハピネス this midday and evening so I'm quite content for now (they are very easy though)

>>76593717
>>76593691
So... "do you intend to continue eating"?

>>76594056
>accomplishments today
N/A

I read maybe once a month.

How little sense does this sentence make?

"私のいとこの 操縦性能から、飛行場に飛行機がかんぺき着陸された"

Finally trying to actually write.

>>76596115
Looking it over now, should が be replaced with を?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTwiXOD7Tc4

>>76596115
>>76596115
I'm no native speaker but I think this makes it better
私のいとこの 操縦性能のおかげで、飛行機は飛行場に完璧な着陸をしました。

>>76596115
I'd replace から with のお陰で
and I don't think you can use 操縦性能 when talking about one's ability, I'd go with 操縦能力
isn't it かんぺきに?

personally I'd put
飛行機 with a は at the beginning of the second clause, makes it more impressive (I believe)

>>76597255
>>76597304
Thanks a lot for your input. These definitely read a lot better. I know what I need to improve on now.

post the most useless japanese word that you have learned that you can think of

A couple on top of my mind
県鳥
辻斬り

>>76597991
>Tsujigiri (辻斬り or 辻斬, literally crossroads killing) is a Japanese term for a practice when a samurai, after receiving a new katana or developing a new fighting style or weapon, tests its effectiveness by attacking a human opponent, usually a random defenseless passer-by

lol wtf

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>>76597991
仏蘭西

>>76598144
これは武士道だ

>>76597991
I can't think of anything actually useless, but I'll never get to use 空対空ミサイル in a conversation that's for sure

>>76591664
At least with variety shows and games, the text is often simultaneously displayed onscreen.

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>>76596529
This is the third time TODAY I've watched a video on YouTube that loops the same scene over and over, what the hell is going on?

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About the さま on the end, I know it probably means like "the state/condition of our dreams/cake rising" but if it were just でいく at the end I feel like the sentence would have the same meaning to me. What does the さま add to the meaning/nuance?

Also, is the の in しまうーの "Shimau's (dance moves), like しまうーの振り

>>76603174
You probably don't need さま, but it makes it clear that it's a response to Fuuka's question, and not just a new statement.

She's making fun of her dance by referring to it simply as それ, like "your thing". There's nothing omitted.

>>76602385
people have been doing anything make videos longer for ad revenue

>>76603174
さま is basically a dictionary definition term that denotes an aspect of how something is/is done

and of course in this context a definition is being given

>>76576044
>>76580009
>>76580714
Thank you very much

>>76605263
Can you guys help me with this one too? I know what the pieces means, but just can't make sense of the entire sentence

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>>76605302
oops

>>76586159
You need at least 3000 if you're reading a lot, but it takes serious work to get to 3500 without counting easy kyuujitai

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>>76603174
>>76605168

Thanks.

1 question about the slang here, some guy says that なん is this picture is なる (る omitted) + の = なん, which would make sense, but I've never seen that exact type of abbreviation before. I always thought なん was なの (な there because you had to put it there before nouns and na-adjectives for certain uses of の). Basically, where does the な come from, and if it is the dictionary form of なる, is this a common abbreviation? Can you do this for any verb?

>変質者
tongue, the betrayer

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I got graph paper as per request
I'm writing right to left now and I stopped labeling them to make it easier for me to memorize.
How goes the grind for my fellow beginners?

>>76605593
the う still looks like ラ

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>>76605641
I tried fixing that towards the end, are these any better?
I have trouble making the lines right.

>>76605716
(not that brazilian)
Since you're having trouble with proportions, try drawing the characters bigger in an area of 2x2 characters.

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>>76605593
You're writing some of the characters kinda off

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Rate handwriting? Decided to pick Japanese up after dropping the course 2 years ago.

Do you guys know of any japanese news stram or a radio or something like that?

>>76606056
nhk

>>76606053
def looks like you put too much time writing each character carefully and so it looks kinda stiff and not natural flowing... that and i hate full sa/ki/so in writing form w/o the breaks in them

>>76606144
does it really look like I put that much effort?
I promise I didn't try to write meticulously at all.

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>>76606188
It doesn't look I dunno natural? I don't know how to explain it but like some of the characters look like you write it With effort. Think how someone write a letter with nice letters vs someone writing it fast and not caring about looks like my handwriting in the pic lol

Is it bad that i’m not practcing writing? I only did it to remember the kana.

>>76606072
Thanks
But, is it not live or something?
I'm on a phone and I can't seem to find a working steam
Maybe just my phone

>>76606452
who cares if it's live they put out like 2 hours of podcasts every day

>>76606452
Ffs i can even write proper sentences
Pardon me its 4 am

>>76606295
That's honestly just nitpicking. He's writing the characters fine. Speed and ease is something you pick up over time.

Can anyone help me with a definition? I've been trying to figure out what 在庫処分品 means, and I think it means something like "inventory management item" but I'm not sure.

How do I say "fuck" or "have sex with"?

Total beginner anon here
I just recognized my first word!!
Asaki-あさき
Does anyone have a comprehensive online dictionary I can use to translate words?

wtf, the nhk podcast is not soothing at all

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>>76606557
i never said it wasnt fine and correct. he wanted some comment on it, to which i did give my honest opinion

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>>76606295
how about this, I went and took a swing at the Katakana

>>76605456
R sounds in Japanese sometimes slur into ん, particularly when followed by an N sound.
なるの -> なん
ならない -> なんない
あるの -> あん
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%93#.E3.80.8C.E3.82.93.E3.80.8D.E3.81.8C.E6.97.A5.E6.9C.AC.E8.AA.9E.E3.81.AB.E7.8F.BE.E3.82.8C.E3.82.8B.E6.99.82.E6.9C.9F

It's far from the usual meaning of なん though.

>>76606958
Linked the wrong section, it's the one above that.

>>76606858
a lot better imo. like see your fifth "a" and how its looks 'flowly' and 'carefree,' thats how you'll write as you get more used to writing japanese as you probs end up caring less about how it looks with perfect corners and stuff

>>76606958

Thanks

>>76607032
thanks, sounds good!

>>76606295
>It doesn't look I dunno natural?
Is that even human language? Kys yourself.

>>76606399
If you're feeling guilty, you can always practice radicals - takes way less time and keeps you honed for whichever kanji comes your way.

>>76607167
spoken language vs written anon you idiot

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>>76606673
やる

>>76607224
The fact someone like you would even consider learning another language and fubaring it beyond repair never ceases to amaze me. One can only dream of such sticky mess.

Wouldn't like to be in your neurons' axonal shoes right now. You are the ultimate disgrace for every literate human being on DJT. I suggest you look for a "spoken language" platform, if that's your thing.

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>>76607430
r8

>>76605321
It does, it does!

They're very common, so be sure to look at the coats that people on the street are wearing.

>>76605593
Your さ and き are backwards and lacking a gap.

>>76607730
I knew something was off about those letters, damn.
What do you mean by "gap"?

What is the single most vulgar Japanese word?

>>76607767
ばにす :--DDDD

>>76607676
Quite the sharp handicraft, do you have dark, bloody thoughts every now and then?

>>76607805
No I'm very optimistic person

>>76607751
Look up "さ 書き方" or "さ 手書き". There should be a gap in the bottom of the character.

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>>76607751

>>76605321
What manga?

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添い寝フレンド欲しいなぁ…

waiting
watching the clock
it's 4 oclock
it's got to stop

>when you have to hit again on your last card
Is there a worse feeling?

>>76607873
>>76607881
are gaps necessary or just something that helps you look natural/native?

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>>76608842
Having to hit again on 90% of your cards from the start because you took 3 weeks off and forgot EVERYTHING.

Fucking Jesus Christ strike me down I don't want to go through 400+ cards I have to re-learn like I never saw them before.

>>76608314
服を着るならこんなふうに
It's pretty straight forward to read most of the time, but a bit heavy on vocab

>>76608897
That sounds absolutely horrible.

You can disable new cards and limit reviews to a more manageable size while you catch up. Shouldn't take too long.

がんばれ

>>76608897
You brought this upon yourself anon, you must pay the price for your decisions.