Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1829

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今日も一日がんばるぞい!

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>>72604164
←ものべの

Now you guys are here?

Werent you moved from /a/ to /jp/?

What are you doing here now.

魚が好きな人

Based on the simple sentence structure taught before this sentence, my mind tries to deconstruct this sentence into something like "Fish (are the one that is the) likeable person", which obviously makes no sense, but seeing something like ボブが好きな人 would make me assume it meant "Bob is the likeable person" in response to some theoretical question like "Who's the nicest person here?"

But Tae Kim and google translate both agree that it means "People/someone who like fish" or "People/someone who likes Bob", because the entire noun+ga+adjective+na construction is being used to modify the noun at the end (人). How do I learn to spot this and differentiate it from " Bob is the likeable person"?

>いつもの大学までの電車の中で
Is there a rule for parsing multiple 「の」?
It's supposed to mean "On the usual train to university" right? But I sort of feel as if though the order isn't very intuitive, unless there's something I'm missing

>>72604212
this is the "im too dumb to use the japan thread" containment zone

>>72604204
I want to punch her.

>>72604212
We've been here for months, dude. Turn your computer on once in a while.

>>72604347
The「Japanese Thread / 日本語スレッド」is full of tripfags, namefags and expats.

>>72604279
人にボブが好き "people like Bob"
人に好きなボブ "Bob who is liked by people"
ボブが好きな人 "people who like Bob"

ボブに人が好き "Bob likes people"
ボブに好きな人 "people who are liked by Bob"
人が好きなボブ "Bob who likes people"

>>72604818

Thanks. I think it's made more complicated by Tae Kim using 好き as his second example of an adjective in the whole guide. It seems a little complicated, in English all adjectives are stated as objective fact, even obviously subjective stuff like "Carrots are tasty" is objective unless you modify it to "I (personally) find carrots to be tasty" with a verb. It seems like 好き is capable of being stated as intrinsically subjective, making its use is more similar to the English verb "like" rather than the adjective "desirable" or "likeable". Am I correct that use of 好き is actually quite a difficult topic compared to, say, use of 静か ?

>>72605245
This comes up a fair bit with Tae Kim's guide and his usage of 好き here. Do these clips help out?
https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/05adjectives/05adjectives.html
https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/03simplenps/03simplenps.html

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>>72575749#
>>72577788#
Thank you! I correct it! (=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ
綺麗と行ってもらえて嬉しいです
>>72587037#
This is kaomoji.＼( 'ω')/
Japanese keyboard of Phone has kaomoji key(╹◡╹)

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Correct my English (*･ω･)ﾉ

>>72605835

>we firstly played
we first played
but its probably even better as 'First we played'

>Horror game named
'horror game titled' or 'horror game called' sounds a bit better than named.

>old at this distance of time
'old at this point in time'

>but it is interesting even now
'but it is still interesting' or 'but it is still interesting despite its age'

>"Tank" in this game is especially good and hard
What is tank? Don't just say "Tank", the reader has no idea what that means. Say instead, "The character "Tank" in this game" or "The level "Tank" in this game"

>Wii game named
Again, named sounds a little odd here, people, places, and characters have names, games and books have titles.

>This is the game that I have played since
Unless you are really making a point about this game or you had previously mentioned it then it might be better to write it as "This is a game"

>So, we are good at opposing at this game, and we setted the max of CPU level
"Therefore, we are skilled players and we set the CPU to max level"

>Then I arrived home.
You never said you left, this is confusing. Instead write "Then I went home". The reader will assume you completed the journey.

>I am enjoyed today
"I enjoyed today"

>I rided my bycycle
"I rode my bicycle"

>But it is cold without
What does this mean? Do you mean "But It is cold outside"?

>>72605835
I tried to keep it as similar to how you have written as possible:
>After that, We played
>After that, we played

>This game is old at this distance of time, but it is interesting even now.
This game is old but still interesting to this day.

>together and We were able to go on to stage 17.
together and we were able to reach stage 17.

>This is the game
This is a game

>So, We are good at opposing at this game, and We setted Max of CPU level.
Since we're good at the game we set the CPU level to max. [CPU level? As in the enemy difficulty or something?]

>After that We
After that, we

>untill 8 o'clock. Then I arrived home.
until 8 o'clock, after which I left to go home. [The fragmented second sentence and tense is a bit, I don't know, it doesn't flow well.]

>I am enjoyed today.
I enjoyed today.

>I rided my bike
I rode my bike.

>Spring is coming. But it is cold without.
Spring is coming but it's still cold out. / but it is still cold outside. [At least that's what I think you were communicating.]

>Do you know 牛乳の紅茶?
In Australia our tea is generally understood to be drank with milk. It's common to ask "Do you have your tea black or with milk?" Having your tea "black" is without milk.

>>72605835
CPU level isn't used in the west. We usually just say difficulty.

>I am into milk tea
Should be translated to: "I have very bad taste in beverages"

>>72606375
>CPU level isn't used in the west
I have to disagree. Have you never played smash bros before? Besides, CPU level and difficulty are totally separate concepts

>>72606454
Smash is exclusively for autists.

>>72606454
The CPU level in smash bros is a bad engrish relic from the 90s.

they usually mean "The difficulty of the NPC enemies" but we don't really have a western counterpart. Sometimes we say bots/AI but that's all on a game by game basis so the best translation would be just plain "difficulty".

Go ahead and say to a non-gamer that you set the CPU setting to max and they'd think you had overclocked your PC or something.

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>>72606528
I want to overclock the CPU level on Ram's rom.

>>72606528
You are right that it's on a game by game basis, but in general I disagree. The term CPU is still commonly used when talking about computer controlled units in fighting games or any 1 on 1 game. The only reason this has come out of favor recently is because people rarely play with CPU's due to online networks and relative growth in popularity in these genres. The term bot can be used interchangeably and may even be more common than CPU but CPU is still completely understood, at least in every group of people I've been in where it comes up. Smash in particular I've only ever heard people refer to them as CPU as in "Level X CPU" because that's what the game calls it.
AI it seems is rarely ever used to specifically call the enemy but is only really used when you talk about the bot or CPU's AI.

>>72606528
It seems like you made all that shit up, but even if it is the case I'd hardly call CPU "engrish". It's just an abbreviation to show that a character is being controlled by the computer.

>>72606581
>I want to overclock the CPU level on Ram's rom.
>overclock the CPU on rom
Anon do you know how a computer works?

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>>72604064
Please consider using a different image next time. These OPs are starting to get stale.

← My suggestion

>>72606772
Not familiar with ネプネプ?

>>72607571
Why do you keep reposting this image?

>>72607769
It's a good picture

>>72607798
very true

>>72607798
yeah nah

>>72607798
Keep it, it's all yours my friend :)

>>72604064
Thinking about learning some japanese. Can I get a quick rundown on how the language works? Syntax and whatnot.

>>72609830

>>72604064
>Read the guide before asking questions.

>>72609830
Just append -san to everybody's name and replace 'r' sounds with 'l' sounds, and you're basically 99% done.

>>72609830
Learning some Japanese is impossible. Trust me I tried. You either go all-out and try to master the language or you'll just have a list of 200 catchphrases that you'll use on your holiday and hope for the best. There's no middle-ground.

Good morning guys.

"本作は、デビュー作にしてサウンドメイクを一手に引き受ける窪田晴男の才能が爆発しており、坂本龍一をして上野耕路や野見祐二と並ぶ才気あふれる若手アレンジャーの1人に数えられた窪田のアレンジ能力が堪能できます。"

(context is about an album)

Does anybody know what をして is doing here? Is it just to add emphasis?

>>72604347
Well it's a lot more useful than the other one so I'm fine with this one being a containment zone

>>72605380

i'll have a watch later, thanks

>>72605245
yes, suki and kirai etc are adjectives that are used like A ni B ga adj. it's a special type but i don't know the formal name. compare with verbs that are also A ni B ga verb, such as wakaru and dekiru.

of course most of the time, they use ha instead of ni, and that the correct case marker of the "subject" is ni is in some cases of textbooks/courses never mentioned.

if you search for "subject restriction" i think you should be able to find information about how subjective words are treated in japanese

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>上 and 下
Oh for fucks sake, there are so many verbs using these kanji, jesus. How am I supposed to remember them all?

>>72605380

ok, watched those, the second one was very helpful and should be sufficient for making sense of easy to moderate grammatical structures, which is more than enough for me for now.

>>72611894

cheers. sounds like it's a well defined distinction, so i'll read up on it properly once i have a better understanding of simple grammar. for now i'll just ignore tae kim's attempts to force 好き into the lessons and substitute simpler adjectives to check if the form works, otherwise i'll waste hours trying to figure out what's going on with subject restrictions before I even know simple syntax

>>72612145
Exposure. Don't try to actively remember them just let your brain slowly get used to them.

>>72612145

大丈夫だって、これからより難しいことになる =)

>>72606375
kek it's a bit sweet, but the rose flavour is actually quite nice in that drink

why you gotta hate on leaf water anon

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>>72599721
>>72599820
I just recorded the audios, I do not take part in these autistic discussions.

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>>72612145
they usually make sense though

I'm having difficulty pronouncing 上げる. Is the げ pronounced like "ge" or "nge"? the Anki deck makes it sound like "nge"

>>72614854
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Japanese/Pronunciation#Consonant_variation
also see the section below, which explains that n sound changes depending on what came before it as well

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>>72612145

What's the difference between formal/informal and polite/impolite? How do です, である, だあります and でございます differ from each other?

>>72618289
です, である I think these two are the same level of politeness, just different conjugations(second is tearu form)
だあります I think this should be "de"(で) instead of "da" (だ)
As far as im aware -masu is more polite/formal than -desu, and -gosaru(Almost not used i think) is even more polite. I'm probably wrong though.

>>72618767
desu and masu is on the same level though.
masu ends verbs
desu means "is", so it's used after nouns

>>72618767

です is short for であります

>>72618289
The basic registers you need to be aware of in Japanese are ため口, which is casual or impolite language used with friends, family, equals, etc., 丁寧語, which is formal or polite language used with strangers, elders, superiors, etc., and 尊敬語 / 謙譲語, which are honorific and humble language for extremely polite situations. Sometimes 丁寧語, 尊敬語, and 謙譲語 are called 敬語 collectively.

だ and である are ため口, but である sounds more like a literary word. です, であります and でございます are 丁寧語, although でございます is the most polite out of the three. I don't think であります is used very much at all. 尊敬語 and 謙譲語 don't have their own version of the copula and generally just use 丁寧語 です or でございます.

>>72607571
I agree that the OP pictures are getting stale, but I don't think we should use the "grab my hand bro" pic as the OP.

>>72613232
>これからより
I don't think that's right. That makes it sound like "more than from here on it gets harder."

I think 「これからもっと難しいことになる」seems more natural. Could someone more experienced confirm this for me?

>>72603640
ナイスですね。どのインクを入れた?

>>72622901

Maybe a topic particle after から could work better. I was trying to use to use the adverb version of より.

>>72622901
It looks to me like he's trying to use it as an adverb to modify 難しい, as in 「これから、より難しいことになる」, which is acceptable grammatically. I can't answer you about how natural it sounds, though.

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/228483/meaning/m0u/%E3%82%88%E3%82%8A/

>>72623425
金玉は痛いです

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Would anyone mind translating this? From a TRANSFORMERS advert:

Can I go a couple days without adding any new vocab to anki or will that fuck something up?

>>72624459

"Latest in Transformers Generations, we will feature bigly Legends edition Trypticon's newest mold sample on an exclusive photographic page!"

That's just a rough translation of the first sentence, someone else can do the rest

>>72623658
「俺の金玉は痛いから蹴らないで下さい。」

>>72627610 meant for >>72623425

>>72612145
The vocab decks that put all the 上 and 下 words in the same review are hell for me. If they spread them apart more, I'd probably have an easier time with them in Anki, but as it is I need to learn them outside of my deck.

>>72627791
Why do you think spreading them out would be easier? You would only be putting the problem off till later

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>ふしぎなチカラを宿した 石碑がある。しかし 今は なにも起きないようだ。
What does 宿した do in this sentence? I can't figure it out for the life of me

>>72629164
A monument that possessed a mysterious power.

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>>72630006
wow I'm stupid, guess I need to sleep
thanks

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>>72623026

>ケチケチしなさんな見物料は項いてんのよ
What is 見物料?

>>72630452
price earned for exhibiting

What's the difference between 女とセックスする and 女にセックスする?

>>72631002
I think it's the difference between with and to

>>72631002
I don't think the latter is correct. It gives only 4 results in google with the と one gives over a million.

>>72631002
In one of them the woman is your bed.

>>72628199
Being shown 下る 下す 下さる 下り 下りる and 下ろす all within a few minutes of each other, early on in vocabulary lists, makes it easier to confuse them while they are still new and unfamiliar. Yes they still need to be learned eventually, but having them all at once might make it more difficult to remember them without crossing the wires and stumbling on confusing them with the others.

>>72631002
>>72631086
My bigger question is why セックスする and not a japanese word. Did the japs not have a word for "having sex" until the Americans came?

>>72631589
Shows how beta they are

>>72631589
Yeah, and they didn't have words for milk, tea and clothing.

>>72631589
They had alll sorts of ways to say it, both polite and vulgar. But they adopted セックスする because language changes with time, and foreign words have a certain trendiness to them.

>>72631731
Wait, really? How does that even happen? How can a language lack words for basic bodily functions for centuries?
>milk
乳?
>tea
茶?
>clothing
服?

>>72632035
>How can a language lack words for basic bodily functions for centuries?
Just hold up the object you're referring to, or a picture of it, and mumble while pointing to it

>>72632035
精
精子

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>>72631334

the latter doesn't make sense to be strict.

in English, give someone sex or the like is common for the meaning of having sex with someone?

>>72633298
It depends on each person
If a person really wants to have sex with a stranger, there are ways but people in relationships have passionate sex

>>72633298
>give someone sex
Yeah it's common slang to walk up to women and ask them to "give me the pussy". Even our president does it.

>>72633411
I see, interesting.
>>72633428
>Even our president does it.
indeed it's very likely to happens

>ひと目くらい構やしないだろ
I can't understand meaning of this sentence, can anyone help?

>>72635327
人の(目)は構わないでしょ

Sorry.
>人(の)目
人目 is an expression.

>>72635327
i think it's something like "You don't mind people looking, right?"

>>72635327
it doesn't matter if I/we glance at that(be mentioned last sentence)

>>72635752
>>72635997
>"You don't mind people looking, right?"
It's true, thank.

don't be stupid. that's 一目. you'll get it when googling 一目会いたい

WotD: 一目惚れ

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I want to marry the Anki Kanji Lady.

>>72631731
but our word for tea is just borrowed from the japanese!

"Chá"

>>72605835
It's 21st, not 21th

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>>72638554
o rly

>>72638990
Who is her?

>>72638990
I do them twice a day now

>>72631589
Its called 犯す when you read the right material.

Can somebody tell me where I can get all Jouyou kanji formatted in the same way as in here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ky%C5%8Diku_kanji

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>>72639243
Just do your reps, don't worry about things that aren't your reps.

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>>72604064
Could you please tell me which red numbered panel looks better to read?

>>72638554
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1nrTIqTeK2G

>>72632035
>>72638663
You guys aren't very good with sarcasm.

>>72640047
2.
1 is full of distracting crap, 3 feels a bit too thinned out in some bits.

>>72639776
This like?
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B8%B8%E7%94%A8%E6%BC%A2%E5%AD%97%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7

>>72640120
That's perfect as 2 was done in Gimp, which can be batch processed (I think) whereas 3 was done in paint.net, which cannot be batch processed. 1 is the source scan.
Thanks anon.

>>72640217
Damn I didn't try searching for "List of jouyou kanji". This should do thanks.

>>72640349
>>72639776
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_j%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_kanji

at least 犯す makes me think of bad things related to crimes, especially when it comes to a sexual act, it implies rape. まぐわう and 性交する just came to my mind although people don't often use them in casual conversation. as a matter of course, there are indirect ways to express like sleep with someone else in the same bed/stay a night with someone

Anon was joking about 犯す.

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>>72640594
he got me then. fuck

>>72640728
Stop namefagging.

>>72640777
I think we all should just namefag instead

>>72640798
Seconded.

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>>72638990
>almost forgot to do my reps for today
Thanks anon.

>>72640777
I feel bothered every time dumb Jap flags cannot recognize me without name.

>>72640798
I agree.

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>tfw watching Dogen's Phonetics videos
>tfw massively enlightened now
So how much should I focus on phonetics? They sound really important.

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>>72640899

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>>72640798

>>72641026
Who drew that? Really made me feel.

>>72641006
I dunno, man, Dogen sounds gay as fuck in English, I tend to not trust these people with accent tips.

But I'll watch a few of his PASTEBIN EXCLUSIVE TM videos to see how it goes. Maybe the thoery can be applied without sucking dick.
http://pastebin.com/mER12tzm

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>>72640798

>>72640798
Screw you, 4chan is based around anonymity, we're not redditors.

>>72641368
Don't insult Finland without them we wouldn't have this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvgftbcWT3I

>>72641243
Has anyone run youtube-dl on these?

>>72642138
What if you're learning Japanese to one day create your own porn?

>>72642164
Plebeian.

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>>72642138
Made this one a few threads back but didn't share it. Enjoy.

>>72641243
>this is why I love and continue to use Apple computers
Yup, confirmed to have the gays.

>>72641856
I don't think so. If you're going to do it, don't forget the first three videos that are not in the list.

So far I'm in the 4th video and not really sure what's new about the information. Maybe it makes more sense for English speakers, since from what little I observe you guys generally don't focus on accent/syllable division in English classes due written English being an orthographic clusterfuck.

>>72642285
>I don't think so. If you're going to do it, don't forget the first three videos that are not in the list.
Okay, backing them up. Won't upload them unless he takes them down or something though.

If anyone else wants to download them so they can upload them to the CoR, remember to use -f bestvideo+bestaudio/best

>>72640798
>>72640857
I guess now people can recognize us fellow blueflag

>>72631589
>a word for "having sex"
"逢瀬", "契る", "まぐわう” etc...

>>72642281
朕朕

>>72642285
I don't know, ブラジルくん I don't like the apple shilling either but I think these phonetic videos are the best out of what I've seen so far. Clear and concise pitch accent explanations seem to be few and far between.

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>>72640047
In the end, Photoshop was used to batch process these images, using the same level settings used on the Gimp processed image (2). If anyone is interested, these are the resultant volumes:
https://mega.nz/#F!VIJ1kaAa!XHiGO-gttW3_mZHkrSmdFQ

The source was あずまんが大王, volumes 1 to 4 from the CoR. The bleed through of the rear page was irritating and this removed that, at what cost I suppose it subjective. Pic related is the same process used for volume 3 of ゆるゆり.

>>72642784
Tell me how to learn to do that senpai

>>72642830
Sure thing, give me a sec.

>>72642751
Yeah, the explanations sound pretty solid, it's just when he speaks "emphasis", "practices", "examples", you can hear a very subtle lisp. Grinds my gears1.

1said with the lisp.

>>72642784
Is this all of Azumanga Daioh? Might as well download it, gray raw scans look disgusting, while pure white backgrounds make me want to crop and turn everything into reactions or DJT covers.

>>72642751
>>72642285
He also doesn't really get to the actual good material until about episode 6 and 8. 1-4 is actually almost useless because it's mostly about his past and study.

>>72642830
These instructions are based on Photoshop CC, the version I pirated a while back, but should be more or less the same for all of them.
Open PS.
Open random image file.
Window→Actions
Create a new action, hit record.
Image→Adjustments→Levels
[the following are the preset values I used]
Input Levels: 43 (left) 0.77 (centre) 218 (right)
Output Levels: 39 (left) 255 (right)
Hit Ok. Go to your open Actions window and hit stop recording. You can close the image without saving if you want.
File→Scripts→Image Processor
Select folder. Under Preferences, select Run Action and select the action you have just recorded.
Hit Run.
Within a couple of seconds~minutes it PS will have stopped doing anything and in your selected folder there should be a new folder within it, labelled JPEG or something. Inside that will be the batch tweaked images.

>>72643051
Is there a name for this process?

>>72643089
Color correction.

>>72643051
>>72643114
Thank you senpaitachi. I'll put your teachings to good use.

>>72643182
Second guy, not him, also you can also call it level adjustment.

>>72643197
Thank you as well

>>72606528
CPU level is the correct term when talking about Smash Bros you fucking retard

How do you say something like "There are two people online" in Japanese? Like as information displayed on a game server or something

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>>72640798

NORWAY, were are the exercise sheets for the pitch accent lesson #11? It's not in the Pastebin Exclusive Lessons list!

>>72643465
Speaking of which, are there net-slang-related guides/decks/whatever out there?

It's really weird when I'm able to introduce myself completely, talk about my life and then get stuck at saying something basic like "feel free to [add] me.".

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>>72642920
日常 volume 8 was full of choice reactions.

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>>72642687

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>>72643693
Reading mango will eventually lead me to my demise, pressing S Alt+I Enter S while watching animay doesn't even begin to compare with pressing Ctrl+C, opening up PS, optimally cropping and picking a filename...

>>72643635
>NORWAY
ICELAND*

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>he still hasn't done his daily reps
Don't worry anon I have just the right video to help you placate dekinai-chan at least for this night
https://youtu.be/KxGRhd_iWuE
>tfw will never get have a conversation with this guy
>tfw it doesn't matter because he lives on in my kokoro telling me to ネーヴァ・ギヴ・アップ

>>72643948
Alright, East Iceland, I'm sorry.
I just did the Listening Practice bit that doesn't need the sheet and aced it, guess these lessons don't even apply to me then. But they could be useful to some people, so if you have it, sassatay coodacy.

>>72644237
A FUCKING L-
Wait.

>>72644237
>再生回数420万

マジか…

If someone says 「僕ならできる」is it just a plain "I can do it" or does it carry the nuance that because it's them then something is possible.

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My conversation skill one on one or even 2 on one is pretty good now but I've been going to a meet up with several Japanese and they must think I'm retarded because they'll say simple shit and I can only give a blank stare back as they all stare at me with diminishing confidence I'll be able to speak with them at all.

I'm super shy in groups and I can't even efficiently maneuver them in my own damn language. Then a few of them will speak a bullet speed to each other and I can't follow at all.

But again if I get a few of them away from the crowd I can focus and have an okay conversation, even allowing them to practice English when I can.

It's like sensory overload, I just flop around like a fish waiting to be sushied. Anyway here's my kanjis in return for help.

>>72644947
Thanks for paying upfront, but what are you even asking for help with here?
Wanna hangout with me? I can intimidate your nip friends with my shit-throwing skills so you can get an edge in the social game.

>>72645226
Basically how to navigate a social group in a language you're learning when you can't even do it in your native language.

Just tips really, anything.

>>72645407
Would help if I wasn't in the same boat, I just try to make up for it by immersing myself more but I doubt it's helping.

>>72645407
>>72645447
I would say to act aloof without coming off as a jerk, act confident without coming off as arrogant, and act like you don't care while being polite and attentive.

>>72645407
Be yourself.

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Can someone help me decipher what these shapes mean on Imabi? I know sometimes circles and Xes are swapped when it comes to grading in Japan, so it could be either, and to make it worse, he uses these triangles sometimes. I couldn't find a glossary for this.

>>72612145
I've been building up a table of "opposites" and related words I encounter to aid in remembering. If it helps, I'll post a screencap of the up/down ones after this.

>>72645407
I wouldn't know; even though I'm an introverted hermit, I have no social inhibition. I think it's more about having your self-image on a higher level than where you see others. Or at least reaching equality.

You can always go the self-deprecating route in hopes of sympathy, works out of the "funny fat guy" trope.

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>>72645606
>>72612145
Here's the table.

>>72645606
に is preferred
へ is permissible but strange
Not using a particle is wrong
Or something like that

>>72645618
I would say those "tropes" come off as annoying most times, better to come off as slightly more detached than slighty too tryhard.

>>72645670
Oh, that makes sense. Thanks. I had a feeling that O was "correct" but I wasn't sure since, if I had it wrong, everything I'd taken in would be all opposite and it would be hard to know. Hadn't the faintest clue what triangle would mean, but now that I see, it kind of figures.

>>72645562
Pretty sure I'm come off as an arrogant jerk but that's kind of just how I've always been.

>>72645447
Do you go to meet ups? Even with my friends, once the 2 other people margin is passed it's a whole new dynamic.

>>72645592
I am, that's the problem, this is probably my biggest barrier for this language.

>>72645713
Hey, good, you already hate fat people.
Now try to imagine everyone as fat people, you can do it!

>>72645606
>>72645670
How would okuing a book towards a table work, specially taking in account oku means placing something indefinitely?
You must probably release the book from the ceiling, or maybe slowly bring it down with a fishline, and some adversity must be lurking to make it so an interruption may occur.

Oh, yeah, maybe someone was about to place a book on the table when his mom called him, and the fact that he couldn't complete the task has to be emphasized.

Dunno.

>>72645769
I used to but I haven't in a while, I always end up being extremely nervous and don't know what to say/feel like I have nothing anyone will care about to say.

>>72645769
It's not a hollow platitude, rather it's the only thing you should be. Faking a persona is straining. Probably more so in another language. Find someone who's just like you, people who are better with 1 to 1 relationships rather than 1 to many are not rare on this planet by any stretch of the imagination.

>>72645815
I usually start going off on conspiracies with strangers I don't care maintaining a relationship with, but I do it i a lighthearted way while being funny. Great icebreaker, ad the conspiracies I choose are ones that any normie could understand enough to laugh at or even get into if their receptive about it. It makes for great "void" fillers to prevent awkward silences and it avoids having to talk about yourself (which can be easily uninteresting) or feeling like an interrogator bombarding the other with questions.

>>72645592
Just in the remote case this isn't trolling - how is this ever good advice for the people that actually need it? This was exactly what I did in elementary and middle school and I was the autist everyone hated as a result, since I wouldn't shut my fucking mouth about things that nobody cares about or weren't funny.

I overcorrected and basically became quiet by default unless I have something I really intend to say. I've since socially matured greatly (don't get me wrong, I'm still an autist) but the habit still lingers. Being myself back then was the dumbest fucking shit I could have done when really I needed to fix how I acted.

>>72645913
They're

>>72645871
>>72645871
I think I get what you're saying but group situations are unavoidable in life, I want to improve with them so I can at least enjoy it and not view it so strategically.

今、何を話してるの?

>>72645930
read >>72645871
Also "be yourself" doesn't imply that people will accept you for who you are just because you're honest, you're supposed to be a sperg or whatever you naturally are and repulse people who don't like you for it and in the process attract people who do. This is of course just within the context of finding real friends, not general social events. If you're out with coworkers or some shit then yeah grit your teeth and put on your best normal face.

>>72645606
>机の上 へ△
to be honest, I don't find it wrong although it might have been weird in Japanese five hundred years ago.

>>72646007
日本語と思う

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>>72645970
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0XSEcC7aAl4
Here, you can practice with these!

>>72646019
I see. That's kind of how it turned out with me in the end anyway, so I wish I had figured that out sooner.

>>72646121
Say this この番組はご覧のスポンサーの提供でお送りします

This might be a dumb question, but does learning Japanese impede other studies?

Meaning, will it be harder to study for your classes if you recreationally learn Japanese? I don't really mean scheduling wise. I mean surely there's some kind of hard cap your brain has on the amount of information it can meaningfully glean per day? If I try to rote memorize characters, am I going to start forgetting how to do calculus?

>>72646402
You're right it is a dumb question, it won't affect other subjects other than maybe if you're learning another language at the same time and even that is rather unlikely. The only real difficulty it poses in that regard is scheduling.

>>72646083
英語見れば、もう読みたくねえええええ

>>72646451
I was hoping to hear peoples personal anecdotes

I simply feel its not so cut and dry

欧米人は普通に英語ができるのに何が悲しくて日本語なんて学ぶんだよ…

>>72646402
If you do a quick google search you will see that it seems rather beneficial. The only thing you need to worry about is what >>72646451 said. Just prioritize your study classes and pick an appropriate amount of time left to learn japanese.

>>72646525
Where's the cutoff for how much you can learn concurrently? High Schoolers can do 7-9 subjects at once, some with jobs/clubs/sports etc. Also anecdotes don't matter in the end, you're your own person. Even if 99% of people can't it's worth trying to see if you're in the 1%

>>72646525
Personal anecdotes, okay, well I learned Japanese while studying at university and it literally no impact on my studies at all. I remember showing up to exams humming the Fureraba title song because I'd been playing it all study period.

>>72646530
エロゲのために決まってるじゃないか
英語のエロゲはクソゲばかりだよ

>>72646525
I'm not sure what kind of anecdotes you're trying for I mean it's hard to mess up development in two completely unrelated fields like Calculus Japanese just because you are studying both at the same time. I mean you study more than two different subjects simultaneously since elementary school.

I could be wrong though maybe there's someone here who forgot how to find a derivative because they learned the te form but I highly doubt it, that's not really how our brains typically work.

>>72646184
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1Ln1j4hYFSG
[muffled OP chorus in the background]

>>72646602
meant Calculus and Japanese

>>72646451
You're oversimplifying, that guy certainly is right in that retention is a limited ressource for any X amount of time. You can't infinitely fill your brain, for the same reason you can't remember all the objects in those "stare at the 50 words for 30 seconds and try to recall as many as you can!"

>>72646602
But I'm not learning just calculus, I'm in four other classes as well

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>>72646607
ナイス

>>72646674
So? I'm taking Diff equations, Linear Algebra, a software design class, an ancient Rome class, and Systems and signals and Japanese doesn't affect my retention of the material in these classes or any of the previous classes I've taken at uni in the past year and a half. Scheduling on the other hand is a whole other problem that I'm not near as good with.

>>72646746
OK this is the kind of anecdote I was looking

>>72646746
It's kinda like being a NEET doesn't equal more time to study Japanese.
Many people find by having a job/routine that they dedicate more time to their hobbies/studies/interests.

Learning is the same - the more you learn (as long as you don't burn yourself out), the more you're able to learn.

>>72646906
I never actually thought of that but you're right, I find during summer or during breaks when I'm not taking classes its much harder for me to sit down and work on Japanese even though I have more time.

>>72644586
More of the former.

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>tfw doing 50 kanji a day on Anki and you might have to do less because you're barely retaining anything

>>72645638
this is helpful, thanks

|дﾟ)ﾁﾗｯ

What basically mean ふざけやがって?
Something like "Don't play with me"?

>>72610655
本来その表現は、「○○をして〜〜と言わしめた××」のように用いられます。
○○には権威のある人物や集団、〜〜には××に対する評価が入ります。
(正しい表現)坂本龍一をして天才と言わしめた気鋭のクリエイター、窪田の

「あの」坂本龍一が認めた、というように窪田さんの得た評価を強調するための表現ですね。
但し、その文章は分かりにくい上に文法も正しくありません。あまり深く考えず今回は無視して下さい。

>>72648953
ふざける + ~やがる
Pretty much just adds a nuance of the action being a nuisance or the person doing the action being a jerk.

>>72648396
( ･ั﹏･ั)ｺﾜｯ

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>>72650130
(/ω・＼)ﾁﾗｯ

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I still can't fully grasp the が particle. What to do?

>>72651084
The most important thing to remember is that it emphasises or specifies the thing marked by が as the do-er

あなたはします
You will do it
あなたがします
YOU will do it

>>72651084
I can't answer that question yet, but have you tried the DOJG?
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#が(1)

>>72644947
I'm new. What is this picture from?

>>72651246
I'll try to remember that

>>72651293
I will check it out, thanks

any difference from It's you who will do it? this sounds more exaggerated?

>>72651645
Yeah, at least I think so. "It's you who..." "it's x that..." sounds a bit like you're responding to an argument.
Also it's a hassle trying to form that kind of sentence in your head all the time

>>72651309
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/942570791

The add-on code in anki is 942570791
same as the URL

>>72622718
>but I don't think we should use the "grab my hand bro" pic as the OP.
Why not?

>>72652822

It needs a banner on it, maybe "Daily Japanese Thread" on top, "If you need a hand (bro), check the guide first" on the bottom.

>>72646451
>>72646525
I'm learning some relatively high level math (partial differential equations, numerical analysis) for undergraduates as well as physics + machine learning along with my Japanese. Usually I don't have issues.

I've found that if I try to study too much in one day, it takes slightly longer to get the same "yield" per unit time out of my study. But my problem isn't so much time as it is personal energy. I think most people will run out of energy to study/learn so much long before their brains "run out of room", so to speak.

>>72655455
>it takes slightly longer to get the same "yield" per unit time out of my study.
I botched the wording on that a little bit. Better to say
>it takes slightly longer to get the same "yield" out of my study.

ฅ(^ ̳• ·̫ • ̳^ฅ) meow! I'm a cat.

>>72655455
I'm on my second year of systems engineering (Math analisis 2 with diferential equations, probability, physics, programming, etc) and I'm mostly just doing anki vocab/kanji decks(40 new cards a day right now, I'll probably lower it to 20 or 10 when my exams are close if i find it necessary) since i dont think i have the time to practice much reading(I mostly use anki while im travelling to and from uni, when I'm in the bathroom and before going to sleep) and i find it quite frustrating to try to read something having to look stuff up in the dictionary constantly.
As long as you schedule properly and find the right amount of studying for you(Don't make studying japanese a fight, try to enjoy it) it should be doable, and obviously, prioritize.

>>72651084
God, that picture.
Have you tried reading "Gone fishing"?

その場合は South Brazil にするんだよ。

>>72655576
ヾ(・ω・*)なでなで

>>72656320
Man, I can't handle 40 new cards a day. I've always been weak on memorization, though. I usually do 10 (been meaning to try bumping it up to 15) new cards a day.
>Don't make studying japanese a fight, try to enjoy it
Yeah, that's the thing - for me that's around the "10 cards a day plus grammar" mark, so I'm not sure if I should switch to 15. It's still 70 new vocab words a week, which is much faster than most college courses.

Please translate

クルシュさんをすこる民
クルシュさんほんと好き、記憶喰われた後とのギャップがまた最高に好き!

>>72646525
Personal anecdote? I spend 80% of my free time learning Japanese and yet I'm a straight A student. If I wasn't learning Japanese, I'd just procrastinate on something else, so at least I'm being productive while procrastinating.

>>72645638
Don't forget about

下 - ge, shimo
上 - jou, kami

That's an interesting table, I might do this later, but for similar kanji.

>>72657934
ρ(-ω-｡)ヽ(･ω･｡)ｲｲｺｲｲｺ

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Is it true /dpt/?

Chinese
SVO
Japanese
SOV

>>72662669

Isn't Cantonese SVO and Mandarin SOV?

>>72662916
I know very little about either of those languages but I do know Mandarin and Cantonese writing looks the exact same and is just pronounced differently, so I don't think there's any way the grammar can differ that dramatically.

>>72663158
To clarify on "writing looks the exact same" I mean that the same sentence with the same meaning will be written the same with the same characters in both languages just pronounced differently.

>>72662916
> Mandarin SOV
I'v heard of it, too.
but it is said that depends on the effects of Manchurian.
http://www.coelang.tufs.ac.jp/mt/zh/gmod/courses/c01/lesson01/step1/card/001.html

Manchurian
SOV

SOVは北方民族の文法だ。
フィンランド人に聞けばいろいろ知ってる。

>>72649324
Hmm, what does it mean in this context?
ダメだダメだ! とっとと追い出せ!!
おいお前! どこに行く
ふざけやがって! このあま
Sorry for filthy language

So, when do I finish a question with の and when do I finish it with か? How about both?

Can someone explain what exactly it is when when a い-adjective appears without the い? For example I've seen where it's cold or hot outside and a character will just say さむ or あつ instead of 寒い or 暑い.

Now I realize this is probably just a shortening of the adjective, but is there any name for this or is this kind of form used outside of this context?

>>72663717

http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/18613/what-is-the-meaning-of-%E3%81%AE%E3%81%8B-and-how-does-it-differ-from-%E3%81%8B

read at least the top two answers

>>72665361
It's just slang that adds emphasis. It's basically like saying "it's really (adj)" instead of just "it's (adj)". It's typically 寒っ, 暑っ, 美味っ and so on, not just with the い dropped.

What compelling content are you working on now, /djt/?

>>72666013
The real question is whether 寒っ should be read さむっ or さみっ or さぶっ

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>>72667443

Music blogs and Ojarumaru, wbu leaf?

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>>72667703
蒼の彼方のフォーリズム
I hope I will be able to escape this lower-intermediate hell someday.

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>>72667838

Well this is certainly compelling something on me.

>>72665956
I see, I see.
Then "no" would be a shortened version of "noka"?

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>playing through typical high school stuff VN
>keep messing up 部屋 and 部室

>>72668452
Used to, nowadays for some reason it seems trivial.

I will still get in doubt whether it's oku or shitsu when it's a starting kanji, though.

What's the difference between suspend card and suspend note?

>>72670102
https://apps.ankiweb.net/docs/manual.html#notes-&-fields

TLDR: Notes are the info, cards are the multiple ways the info is presented to you. If you suspend one card, the other cards generated from the base note may still be present. If you suspend the note, all related cards are suspended.

川に飛び込んでいた、
何を見た?
黒い眼天使は俺と泳いでいた、
星と満杯月も、
全ての姿も見るがある。
全ての愛人はそこに俺といるんだ、
空へ全ての俺達は小さい漕ぐ船で行っていた。
恐れる何もない、 おやぶむ何もない。

I'm trying to translate some lyrics. Would you say this is grammatically correct Japanese?

>>72671058
俺といたんだ*

>>72668084

No, the の is from the explanatory のです sentence ending construction, and the sentence ending か is a special use of the particle か that is used to mark alternatives. These add little kinds of nuance that you are just going to have to get used to through exposure. If you haven't already done so, download the the three Dictionary Of Japanese Grammar books in the OP link, and read over the のです and か entries.

after having my first four hundred or so words down, I'm starting to find that words written with kanji are sometimes easier to remember than words written out in hiragana. on the one hand this is to be expected because of how the kanji carry meanings and pronounciations, but it's still a weird feeling to start seeing through those at first seemingly random scribbles

>>72671058
Now that I think about it, it should be 見るがある全ての姿も。 Sorry for keeping on reposting, I'm just an indecisive piece of shit I guess.

>>72671526
Yeah, its always surprising how soon after starting vocab you realise kanji is your friend and not your enemy.

>>72671742

見る[の/こと]がある全ての姿も?

Are you translating from an English song? If so you should say the song so we can compare your translation.

>>72671836
exactly this. it always gets presented as some sort of hell that will drag you down and disable you from ever learning japanese, while the opposite is the case

>>72671929
Radiohead's Pyramid Song. Of course I've forgotten to translate "all my past and all my futures" but I don't think I would know anyway. 全ての歴史も、 全ての未来も? If you want I can post the lyrics here. Oh, and thank you, didn't know I had to nominalize it if I already had used が .

>>72672062

全ての僕の過去と全ての僕の未来[従来]? That probably sounds weird as shit but it's what popped in my head lol.

Unless the 見る is the complete clause, の probably would go there if you're trying to say something like "seeing". ことがある is its own expression, as you know (and using こと as a nominalizer for things you are directly experiencing would probably sound queer). If the line is "all the figures I used to see" 見たことがある全ての姿 pops up in my head.

Anyway I'd help out more but I'm going out for a bit, good luck.

>>72674811
Oh, I see. Thing is I still struggle with grammar and I thought a good way of trying to make use of my Japanese(and therefore improving it) would be to translate what I enter in contact with the most.

I've read some translations and apparently I wasn't that far off...a lot of tense mistakes though... But alas, my basic understanding of how Japanese sentences work is acceptable and this is a fulfillment in and of itself.

Thank you for takibg your time trying to correct me and explaining some stuff.

>>72675479
Taking*

I bought genki but I still have to buy their apps for the vocab/kanji cards? What is this shit?

Should I bother trying to memorize everything in the counting and slang section of TK's guide now, or can I put it off for later?

>>72676634
Is genki worth it? I mean, you could just use Anki and TK+Imabi or something. Or find genki pdfs.

>>72676634
Don't bother Core is better.

So which JLPT level would it be reasonable to aim for if you have started a couple of months ago?

Should I just go all out on N2, since it is as far as I know the only one that really matters, even if I know that I will fail it, or is it better to attempt to slowly progress from N4 to N2 over the course of couple of years?

Well, that is if they even let you choose in the first place.

>>72658847
40 is proving a bit too much for me, even if i find the time. I just wanna reach 1000 cards quickly so i can lower new cards and focus on retaining when my exams are coming up. It's also worth noting Im doing KanjiDamage and not RTK(So each card also has a bunch of stuff like readings, jukugo, stroke order and I'm trying to learn all of it)

>>72667454
Typically the first one.
Second is mostly used by men.
Third is like saying it with a stuffy nose.

>>72643465
Anyone?

I've been reading the DOBJG's sections on politeness and viewpoint and I've just become more and more afraid I'll never learn Japanese.

In fact, I had no idea that so many rules about politeness could survive or even exist in a language without it being watered down immensely by the next generation within 20-40 years.

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こんいちは、日本語スレード

Today I learned 15 Kanji. Only 2000+ more to go.

>>72679023
こんにちは。
>スレード
スレッド

そのまま頑張ればあっという間に2000を超えちゃうよ。

Anyone knows where I can get an offline Dictionary that tells me the pitch accent of a word without needing a Mac?

>>72679806
https://osdn.net/projects/qolibri/releases/ This program and the dictionary is in here http://www.mediafire.com/file/887cfqo0ly3flfh/Dictionaries.torrent (It's a really big file with a lot of Dictionaries but if you only want スーパー大辞林 the file path is \1\Kokugo\Daijirin if you don't want to download the whole torrent).

The program is really easy to use, figured it out in about a minute and a half.

>>72680510
>>72679806
I'm under the assumption you were referring to the Dogen videos, so that's the resources he gave. Sorry if you wanted something else.

I have a question about Tae Kim, in the adjective section he says "You can see why this type of sentence is useful because 「人は魚が好きだ」 would mean "People like fish", which isn't always the case."

However, later he says that

魚が好きじゃない人は、肉が好きだ。
translates to:
Person who does not like fish like meat.

But if we are just treating everything before the topic particle as a modified noun, how come it doesn't mean "people who don't like fish like meat"?

This particular section of Tae Kim's grammar guide must have a million hits on Google now. Wonder why he froze his site forum.

>>72680727
>Here, the entire clause 「魚が好き」、「魚が好きじゃない」、etc. is modifying "person" to talk about people that like or dislike fish.

When he wrote "person" I think he meant "A person" rather than "The person" which would make it equivalent to saying "People"

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how bad is it if I can only tell what a certain kanji means if I look at the hiragana afterwards while grinding in anki?

for example, 飲む. I know it's 'のむ', to drink, simply because I don't know any other kanji(at the moment) that ends with む.

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>>72681747
you will kick yourself later if you don't stop ignoring radicals, but don't take my word for it

literally they only verb that would work with is 死ぬ and even then, later on you might encounter "-ぬ" verb conjugations.
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/negativeverbs2

>>72681659
Maybe I don't understand what you mean here, but isn't that irrelevant?

He says you would want to say "魚が好きな人。" Instead of "人は魚が好きだ", because the latter implies all people like fish. How does adding adjectives to the topic change it's implicit meaning from "all people" to "a person"?

>>72681747
You're gonna have a bad time.

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>>72681992

>>72682015
Honestly, you'll probably correct yourself as you learn more and more kanji, but I'd take the time and really focus on the radicals right now. If you're doing core 2k/6k then you're gonna run into problems after a couple hundred words, and you're gonna have a problem with shit like motsu/matsu, etc.

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>>72682134
what a coincidence

>>72682234
What’s the difference between 止める and 辞める? I thought stop was 辞める

>>72682896
The latter refers to an occupation iirc

>>72682896
>辞める
http://jisho.org/search/%E8%BE%9E%E3%82%81%E3%82%8B

To retire, to quit, to resign, to leave (one's job)

>>72682896
止める is specific to movement iirc

>>72682939
>>72682942
Thanks!

>>72682976
I think I messed up. That was for 止まる.

>>72681889
魚が好きな人 could mean people that like fish or person that likes fish. It depends on the context. The point is that 魚が好きな人 is the way to say person/people who like(s) fish, while 人は魚が好きだ means something different.

The important part to understand is the sentence structure:
人が働く vs. 働く人
人が醜い vs. 醜い人
人が好きだ vs. 好きな人
The form on the left is called the 終止形, and the form on the right is called the 連体形, or attributive form.

Entire phrases can be conjugated into the attributive form to modify a noun:
>学生は勉強が好きだ
As for students, they like studying/as for the student, he likes studying
>勉強が好きな学生
A student who likes studying/students who like studying
>学生は電車で通学する
As for students, they commute to school by train/as for the student, he commutes to school by train
>電車で通学する学生
A student who commutes to school by train/students who commute to school by train
>学生は家が近い
As for students, their houses are nearby/as for the student, his house is nearby
>家が近い学生
A student whose house is nearby/students whose houses are nearby

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I was watching an anime called Mushi-shi. The character in this image wakes up after passing out in the snow and being saved by a couple. Instead of saying ありがとう, he says what I think is ありがてぇ. Is this a dialect, or can you switch the とう sound in words into てぇ?

>>72684998
He was probably saying ありがたい, in the same way ありえない can be ありえねぇ.

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Are you immersed?

>>72685800
>struggled to remember 状況
>it's lapsed about 5 times now
>get the urge to watch Death Note because of all the ads that pop up for the Netflix adaptation
>hear them use 状況
>look it up because it sounds like something I should know
And just like that I'll never forget it. God bless compelling content

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>>72685993
>streaming

>>72686130
By ads I meant mainly on YouTube's recommended section, I don't have Netflix.

How are the BRs on japan?

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>>72681747
Not as bad as writing uncapitalized sentences.
Kys yourself.

>>72685800
Why has the shilling for this guy's channel subsided?

>>72686308
They are mostly descendants from the Nipponic diaspora that fled to Brazil in the past.
Japan thought it was a smart move to recall these long-forgotten sons of the Great Sun to work in Japan and fill the deficit, instead of hiring filthy and uneducated Korean and Chinese piggu.

Turns out Brazil has... Braziled all of them and they are basically Asiatic-looking monkeys. Brazilian ghettos have more crimes, cars blasting sound systems with pagode and funk, and overall disregard for Japanese customs. They don't even practice proper recycling sorting.

Same goes to Peru - which also had a diaspora.

Need I mention most speak shitty Japanese - if at all?

>>72667454
1st is standard.
others are dialects.
and 2nd can be written as kanji hardly.

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How can I be sure I'm fully comprehending what the man is teaching me once Tae Kim stops giving practice excercises? Finish the guide, start reading, and reference it as necessary?

>>72687260
>what the man is teaching me
what man

>>72687557
Don't tell my Tyler Kim has a vagina.

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>>72687644
oh him, i got confused for a sec
reference as necessary or look into the guide for the DOJG link for more details
stay wider