/Sumo/ - Haru Basho 2017

Some live streaming info:
http://www.sumoforum.net/forums/topic/36347-live-streaming-haru-17/

Yokozuna Debut Kisenosato:
Kisenosato was promoted to the 72nd Yokozuna in history, the previous one had been Kakuryu, promoted in March 2014. He is the 41st since Showa Era and the 10th in Heisei Era. Kisenosato is the first Rikishi from Tagonoura Beya to reach the top rank in Sumo as well as the 4th from Ibaraki Prefecture, following Inazuma, Hitachiyama and Minanogawa. He is the first Japanese born Rikishi to make his Yokozuna debut since the promotion of Wakanohana in July 1998 and the first active Japanese Yokozuna since Takanohana in January 2003. He reached the Yokozuna rank in 89 tournaments since his sumo debut, which makes him the 3rd slowest within the 41 Yokozuna since the Showa Era.
Taking 73 tournaments since his promotion to Makuuchi, he is the slowest within the 41 Yokozuna since Showa Era. Taking 31 tournaments since his promotion to Ozeki, he is the 3rd slowest within the 41 Yokozuna since Showa Era. Being 30 years and 6 months of age at the time of his promotion, he is the 4th oldest within the 21 Yokozuna who had their sumo debut since 1958.

For the first time since the 2000 March Grand Sumo Tournament, there are 4 active Yokozuna; Takanohana, Akebono, Musashimaru and Wakanohana.

Ozeki Terunofuji:
Once again after the November Grand Sumo Tournament 2016 and personally for the 4th time, Terunofuji is Ozeki Kadoban and faces a possible demotion. Following Kotoshogiku in the last tournament, this is in total the 139th time since the 1969 July Grand Sumo Tournament.

* For the first time since July 2014, there are 2 active Ozeki (Kisenosato and Kotoshogiku).

* For the first time since July 2007 the number of Ozeki decreased by 2 people; Hakuho (promoted to Yokozuna) and Tochiazuma (Retired).

Sekiwake Tamawashi:
Tamawashi holds the Sekiwake Rank for the 2nd tournament in a row and stays in Sanyaku for the 3rd.

Sekiwake Return Takayasu:
Takayasu has been re-promoted to Sekiwake after 2 tournaments and is in Sanyaku for the 5th consecutive time.

Sekiwake Kotoshogiku:
Kotoshogiku has been demoted to Sekiwake after 33 tournaments. Returning to the rank he held in September 2011. He is the first Ozeki demoted to the Sekiwake Rank since Kotooshu in January 2014. Since the Showa Era, this has been recorded 30 times from 25 Rikishi. Concerning the official rule changes regarding the demotion of Ozeki in 1969, a Rikishi of Ozeki Rank demoted to Sekiwake Rank is recorded 19 times from 16 Rikishi.

* For the first time since March 2014, there are 3 active Sekiwake (Goeido, Kotooshu, Tochiozan).

* For the first time since the Spring Tournament in 1949, (where Azumafuji had been promoted to Yokozuna while Ozeki Shionoumi had been demoted to Sekiwake), we have a Yokozuna promotion and demotion of an Ozeki in the same tournament.

Komusubi Return Mitakeumi:
Mitakeumi is re-promoted to the Komusubi Rank after 2 tournaments.

Komusubi Shodai:
Shodai, who had his Sekiwake debut in the last tournament, had been directly promoted from the Maegashira Rank, skipping Komusubi. He is now demoted to Komusubi, holding this rank for the first time. This previously happened to Kotoyuki in July last year.

Makuuchi Debut Ura:
Ura is the 6th Rikishi from Kise Beya to make his Makuuchi debut since the present Shisho founded it on the first of December 2003.
The previous, Akiseyama, debuted in March last year. He is the 21st Rikishi from Osaka post WWII, following Daishomaru's promotion in March last year. Ura is the first ever former student of Kwansei Gakuin University as well as 89th former Japanese student sumo amateur following Hokutofuji and Ishiura, both promoted in November last year, reaching the first league. Taking only 7 tournaments since his sumo debut (excluding Makushita Tsukedashi) he ties the record of the 7th fastest since 1958.

Makuuchi Return Daieisho:
Daieisho returns to Makuuchi after 3 tournaments following his demotion in September.

Makuuchi Return Kyokushuho:
Kyokushuho returns after 2 tournaments.

Makuuchi Return Tokushoryu:
Tokushoryu returns to Makuuchi after 3 tournaments following his demotion in September.

All aboard the Ura bandwagon

I hope Kisenosato losses every match for the lulz

Fuck kisenosato tbqh

Where's that uppercut?

>>2354894
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnhfUz7fZ_0

Kachinage are basically European Uppercuts!

>>2352506
Needs a video game.

Beem trying to add sumo moves and ringout in firepro for my fighting fed.

>>2354939

There's a few Japan-only released titles, Tsuppari Ozumo is pretty fun for it's time, reminds a little of punchout.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTP1EA8TJjM


There's also Sumotori dreams which is a little more abstract and goofy, but it's fun.
http://www.gravitysensation.com/sumotori/

heres to hoping sokokurai doesn't suck too bad at m2. lets go foreigners

Kaisei has withdrawn, citing ACL injury

All in on Ura meme

>>2356495
I'm hyped to see Ura, but I'm not convinced his unconventional style is going to fly in Makuuchi. Really hoping he does well, but it might be a rude awakening.

>>2356495
>>2357145

He may have a good basho, based that he will fight the lower echelon which are still juryo-tier. Then when he fights the real deal it will be all over

Basically Ishiura 2.0

Day 1:
https://youtu.be/ptmMc5PMw3Y

>>2357648

[spoiler]FUCK YEAH SHODAI[/spoiler]

>>2352506
wtf is this gay shit desu

>>2357666
I'm sorry there's no divas for you to obsess over, but it's still a fun sport to watch.

Stick around and follow the basho, you'll enjoy it I promise. Lots of friendly people in this thread are happy to answer any questions too.

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Some pics from the Yokozuna ceremony.

>Messengers from the Japan Sumo Association announce Kisenosato had been unanimously approved as the 72nd yokozuna.

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>>2357706
>close-up of the "emotional" response by the new Yokozuna Kisenosato "the brick faced"

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>>2357708
>I know most of you are interested in the other kind of close up. Don't worry I got you covered.

Day 1 Proper vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hK5UfnBNQmQ just in case ppl dont actively check back on his channel.

RIP all of my foreigners except my main man in juryo Osunaarashi.

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>>2357710
>Tagonoura beya shows a display of force in the celebration.

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>>2357717

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>>2357721
>Wait a fucking second! It was all faked.

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>>2357730
>Kisenosato is kind enough to show the guests the main dinner dish.

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>>2357735
>Kisenosato's father emotionally exhausted after years of enduring the shame of having the most unsuccessful Ozeki as son. Now he can comeback to his Shogi club head high.

Mongolians on suicide watch. Ura 15-0 confirmed

Only one Yokozuna looking fit day 1, this will be an interesting basho

Come on Mitakeumi. You fucking did the hard part and fucked up on a lack of concentration. Step up your game son.

>>2357742
>Ura 15-0
c'mon son, you and i both know that's not going to happen

Mongolians on suicide watch, two of their champions weak and btfo. Makekoshi soon

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surprised no monoii here

Day 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOpHD-1zZUs
not proper

>>2359960
nevermind, its proper, just very poor quality for the first half

pretty standard day. i think i'll root for terunofuji this basho.

>>2359967
It's been hard to watch Terunofuji lately, he's been so injured. Seems like he's got a solid start to this one though, hope he's getting better. When he's healthy he's unstoppable.

>>2359960
Can't pin down that Ishiura

Sumo is so much more fun when Hakuho isn't steamrolling everybody. You can see the believe in the lower ranked guys now, they all believe they have a chance at the title.

>>2360656
On the one hand it's nice because like you said it seems everyone has this new vigor like they know they have an actual shot at things but on the other hand it's fun to watch Hakuho go haam on other rikishis.

I'll share few vids/channels that you should sub to get all the vids:

Kinta's channel as already linked above:
https://www.youtube.com/user/Kintamayama
he is always first to post fights. quality can be shit because he captures them off streams. no translation and no commentary.

Jason's channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/JasonsinJapan
he posts after Kinta and only posts top matchups (usually Yokozuna + interesting ones). He gives some commentary. Quality of vids is better since he lives in Japan.


Robert Mensing's channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMtYiJ-OIGY
He's the last to post but his videos are the best because he rips the whole daily 25 min NHK Summo summary. NHK has the professional commentary. If you don't care about getting the scores first, this is the one to watch.

Anyway, took me a while to find these channels. Enjoy.

>>2359976
had to laugh at that very Hakuhoesque shove at the end of his bout

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Noobie here with some questions

Does the salt ever affect footing?

Whats the ring made of?

How far from the center line can the wrestlers get?

When a smaller wrestler is going against what seems like a much larger wrestler does his game plan change meaningfully? Like will he try for a specific scoring method?

Do people still make those DBZ after effects edits of matches?

>>2364397
No

Mud I think? You can probably find a vid about it, I don't know much about it.

If you mean at the start, as far back as they want to go. As long as they're centered behind it they can do that.

Yep, Watch Ura matches. Basically everyone is bigger than him. He uses his smaller self to get under his opponent mostly.

No

Day 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DexKL3MSnI

>>2364397
>Whats the ring made of?
Here You can see how it is built
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0sd3Lyvja9g

>>2364397
The salt is swept up well most of the time, some is occasionally missed though and can affect footing. More importantly the dohyo is made of natural clay. The clay has to be watered regularly to prevent cracking and keep the correct consistency, this does affect the footing as some days the dohyo will be moist and some days very dry.

You can start anywhere behind the line, if you wish. You will occasionally see rikishi start much farther back.

Small guys definitely have to pull out the tricks, mainoumi is probably the most famous example. His nickname translation is roughly "the department store of techniques". As they can't generally fight head to head you'll frequently see them circling the opponent or trying distraction techniques like clapping near the opponents head.

great san'yaku matches today. Sokokurai!!!

So I only know one guy and that's Hakuho. Why isn't he fighting?

>>2364681
He'll always be near the end of the video since hes of the highest rank, and they're shown in order of rank. His bout starts at 10:45 in the Day 3 video posted a couple up.

>>2364467
>>2364596
>>2364632


Thanks for the answers guys I just had three more

Are the E. Honda slaps offensive or defensive, they sorta look like they're mostly positioning from what I've seen

What's the average life span of a wrestlers career? I assume around mid 30's you'll usually start to see a decline?

How often do these events occur? Are they all reffered to as Boshi?

>>2365289
The tsuppari slapping can be used both ways. It's completely legal to face slap too, though somewhat frowned upon.

If I recall, the average age of retirement is 32, but you'll see a few more older guys in the higher divisions because there's a high drop out rate early on.

The grand tournaments, or Honbasho, are 15 days long and happen every second month. http://www.sumo.or.jp/EnTicket/year_schedule

>>2365306
Awesome thanks!

Hakuhou, allowing 37 year old Takekaze get a morozashi (double inside hold) but winning by yorikiri in the end: "At some point I thought of throwing him, but I felt sorry for him.. Because he's 37.."

Shots fired

>>2364585
Is shoving a sign of respect? I was watching Yokozuna E Hakuhou vs Takekaze

>>2368197
Usually the opposite, Hakuho has a long issue with it. After your opponent steps out you're supposed to stop pushing them.

Hakuho has been reprimanded in the past for more intentional looking shoves after the bout ended, this one was pretty small so it could have been an accident.

>>2367841
I thought Hakuhou might be fucked when he got both hands inside, but Takekaze is just too old despite fighting spirit being good.
>>2368203
No, it's seen sometimes when someone seems pissed off with their opponent after winning.

Day 4: https://youtu.be/iRmtIq4RB2M

hakuho got robbed

>>2368418
Is the ref the one yelling during the match? What is he saying?

>>2368579
No idea why I quoted you >>2368418 sorry about that

>>2368418
>"On rare occasions, the referee or judges may award the win to the wrestler who touched the ground first. This happens if both wrestlers touch the ground at nearly the same time and it is decided that the wrestler who touched the ground second had no chance of winning, his opponent's superior sumo having put him in an irrecoverable position. The losing wrestler is referred to as being shini-tai ("dead body") in this case."

The gyoji correctly awarded the bout to Ikioi. Hakuho only sumo contribution during the bout was his ability to fall more slowly than Ikioi. It was the correct call.

>>2368579
Nokotta nokotta!

He's telling them they're still in the ring, to help when they can't see the edge

Damn, Hakuhou got fucking blasted. Well done

>>2368393
Holy shit those face slaps in the arawashi match, you can even hear the audience cringing

I just found this thread, and I'm watching some of the fights. What are those things sticking out of their underwear?

These fights are pretty fun, I wish this board had less wrestling, and more other stuff.

>>2368782
The ropes hanging from their Mawashi are called Sagari, they're entirely ceremonial.

The sumo threads have been around since before wrestling was added to /asp/, it was a bit more visible back then but it's still a pretty niche topic.

>>2364596
cool video, thanks

never knew about that stuff

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>>2368782
its meant to be evocative of the ropes in front of a shinto shrine since Sumo does have a religious significance in addition to being a sport, the wrestlers themselves are technically shinto priests

>>2368589
initially i had the same thought as >>2368418
but after you explained it like that it makes perfect sense. neither NHK nor any of the people on youtube did a very good job of explaining that.

Does anyone know if sumo gets broadcast on any US cable channels?

>Some sumo organizations have minimum height requirements for their competitors. In 1994, the Japanese Sumo Association required that all sumo wrestlers be a minimum 1.73 m (5'8") in height. This prompted 16-year-old Takeji Harada of Japan (who had failed six previous eligibility tests) to have cosmetic surgery to add an extra 15 cm (6 inches) of silicone to his scalp, which created a large, protruding bulge on his head. In response to this, the Japanese Sumo Association stated that they would no longer accept aspiring wrestlers who surgically enhanced their height, citing health concerns. [14]
They should have let him compete

>>2368726
I have been conducting an informal survey of slaps taking place in recent basho. The result is that more often than not the receiving rikishi ends up winning. I believe they get enraged and thus it is counter productive to even attend to slap the opponent.

>>2369737
It does, TV-Japan. It's a premium channel though and it'll cost you $15-$30 a month depending on your provider. The nice thing about it is that they provide dual audio for the sumo, so you can switch to the English commentary.

Day 5: https://youtu.be/4JSH7kWyqIo

>>2370877
based Takayasu

>>2369836
>manlets

The sad thing is that in this basho Kotoshogiku is looking good but it will definitely be a miracle if he can do 10-5.

>>2371330
That's all he needs to get his rank back though, I think he'll make it

>>2369836
they did let him compete, they only made the rule afterwards

>>2371360
I don't, he hasn't faced anyone higher ranked yet and he's going to have to face them all

>>2371419
He did beat Kakuryu on Day 4, there's hope for the big man yet.

>>2371414
Is there a pic of the guy wrestling, then?

rip hakuho

>>2371734
there's no pic of him existing at all

I'm paraphrasing here but wikipedia says to reach Yokuzuna status you need to win two tournaments back to back or under "extenuating" circumstances what does that mean?

This has been a very bad basho for my rikishis tbqh

>>2372661
Like when you havent had a japanese zuna in a decade so you promote a mediocre ozeki who happen to finally win a basho after a lifetime of choking. Is very important that the basho has to be won outside a proper yokozuna race so there is no doubt that the ozeki cannot perform under pressure

>>2372661
Kisenosato did not win two in a row. He won his first tournament in January, but had a very strong 2016, getting the most overall bout wins for the year, and second place 4 times. It's important to remember during a lot of his career Hakuhou has been pretty much raping everyone.

So is Harumafuji injured? Because if not then he's been looking horrible this basho

>>2373972
He's definitely been fighting a hurt elbow for quite a few tournaments now, whether that's the source of his trouble this tournament I'm not sure

>>2374466
his performance

>>2372661
there's no set in stone rule for promotion to yokozuna, its entirely at the discretion of the yokozuna promotion board

The convention is to win two tournaments back to back as an oezeki to get promoted, but they'd be within their rights not to promote you up if they didn't want to, just as they promoted Kisenosato without winning 2 in a row.

Personally I thought that was a mistake, because watching him choke tournament after tournament for the last 2 years was a lot of fun, but he does look quite strong so far and if he can keep it up I'll gladly admit I was wrong.

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>>2375651
its such a big difference looking at old yokozuna though. Heres musashimaru's records before getting promoted.

>>2375776
back when being a yokozuna meant something

Goeido also out.
Harumafuji looks shaky and will probably follow.

This basho could easily go to Kisenosato again.

>>2376281
He is the clear favourite by far. Hairy back is the main opponent

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>>2376330
>tfw reading that post.

>>2376330
Also note that Hairy Back and Kise won't face each other unless it comes down to a playoff, which would be awesome

Day 7: https://youtu.be/eUOYDWBeVVQ

>>2380400
Terunofuji looking like a fucking machine in his bout

>>2380400
Wow lots of good and interesting bouts today

Terunofuji lifting people up this basho. Love watching him fight when hes doing good

>>2380400
Ura is not doing his sumo.
He lacks mobility.
I think he is trying to conform to a more traditional sumo and it ain't working for him.

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Someone should do a gif of Chiyonokuni dancing on the bales. It was both funny and impressive as his leg goes almost full vertical above him.

Takayasu's tachiai was brutal. He almost sent Sokokurai fliying off the dohyo there and then.

>>2382352
NHK did a preview of the basho a day or so before hand and either John Gunning or Murray Johnson pointed out that Ura has gained a bit of weight since the last basho which might negatively impact his usual style of sumo.

>>2383121
Also his left hand is bandaged so much that I doubt he is able to grab anything with it.

Wow, nice to see some sumo on 4chan.

Kisenosato is looking good so far and he basically has a tag team partner in Takayasu if he keeps doing well. A win for Takayasu is basically a win for Kisenosato. Was very surprised to see Terunofuji lose, but we have a lot of tournament left and Kise's choking doesn't go away that easy.

>>2382352

Ura is too small. We saw the same issues with Satoyama and Takanoyama. As good as they are, the tricks the smaller guys do don't work out as well in Makuuchi as they do Juryo.

>>2384048
Amuru was another slim one that was fun to watch as well. Its a real shame he's slumped so hard though. He's fallen down to Makushita 1 in this basho.

>>2384195

I know :( Poor Amuru. I liked the guy and he didn't look that bad, but I knew it was coming :(

>>2384195
i mean it wasn't only him slumping, he was very injury ridden

>>2384195
His knees are completely shot, normal for the sport but a real shame

Lets talk about techniques.

Am I the only one who HATES the pull? Only seems to work 1 in 5 cases. Most of the time the rikishi has to step back and ends up being pushed out

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Why are heavy fighters so boring?

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This book any good? I was curious about learning sumo, but I can't exactly just fly to Japan.

>>2384918
It sounds crazy but ring awareness is actually very difficult, it's not surprising that pulling towards an edge you can't see will fuck you up unless you do it perfectly.

That being said, I think it's one of the skills that really makes a good fighter great. Hakuho for example has incredible ring sense, and he certainly knows when to pull.

Day 8: https://youtu.be/ew10Pbi4gRs

>>2385250
I mean if you're looking to adapt sumo techniques to mma then i guess that would be the book (i have no idea i havent read it), but if you are looking for actual sumo instruction i would probably check out the us sumo association's website for resources near you assuming ur in the us

>>2385250
"I recommend this book"

Easiest money Machida ever made

If Chiyonokuni makes Kachi-Koshi he will surely get the technique prize.

>>2386095
Lel i also noticed that

Is Ikioi injured? He's had some really nice looking sumo but hasnt been able to put his opponents away when he needs to thus this awful record

>>2386095
"yea it was alright, gimme my money"

>>2386536
Most likely. Which is sad because even injured he still puts up the greatest resistance around the edge.

bump for ura

ura will eat more and crush his opponents and steal their wives.

>>2386312
i didn't watch every day. did he do something exceptional?

>>2388862
Watch Chiyonokuni's day 7 match

>>2388862
>wanting Ura to gain more weight

Ura needs to stay the same weight at the very least if he's going to keep doing the brand of very agile sumo that has been working for him

>>2388961
haha that's great!!

>>2388976
he's working to gain 10 kg from his current 132, in order to not lose due to not being strong enough, according to the interview he did.

i don't know, was it translated on the english broadcast? would you like me to translate it? https://youtu.be/ziQpC2hN4PU

>>2389049
>would you like me to translate
that would be totally rad anon. they didn't really talk a whole bunch about Ura on the pre basho English broadcast just a quick mention of his weight gain. my thanks in advance if you do decide to translate it

>>2389049
>>2389071
i'm confident in my understanding of the japanese but it's a bit difficult to turn into english which isn't my native language either. i.e. i believe it's factually correct but there could be unclear parts. he's probably a bit vague at times even for a native japanese i think as well.


Ura captivates the audience with his diverse moves.
Despite his height of 173 cm, in only 2 years of professional sumo he has reached makuuchi.

Q. When you entered professional sumo, reaching makuuchi in 2 years...
A. I didn't imagine it. "If I do this I'll become stronger", I have been able to keep that clear aim, and that has yielded results, I believe.

Ura's sumo that excites the dohyou, how is it made?

Q. When your match opponent is decided, you think about various things.
A. Well, the opponent and I... "how can I do this well". At around 11 when I'm in bed, if I watch videos of my opponents I end up not being able to sleep.

Q. Your techniques, are they to some degree calculated and then executed?
A. Sometimes yes, sometimes it's flow. The atmosphere of the opponent, the situation... after entering the ring, I consciously think whether to adjust the decided strategy. So while they are pre-decided, if I lean too much on them, the effect will be worse.

Q. So the effect is the most important.
A. Yes, it's important.

>>2389368
Ura's best is shown at the edge of the dohyou. Strong lower body and high flexibility. Even in difficult positions, he doesn't give up.

Q. The part where you withdraw your belly, you could see the opponent's hands.
A. It's not a position where you have that kind of leeway, watching the opponent's hands. It was desperation. I don't want to step outside. I don't want to lose, I guess. And like it is said, a pinch is a chance. Even if I end up at the edge of the dohyou, that is a chance to counter.

In makuuchi, the opponents are larger than before. Just being nimble is not enough. Therefore Ura is now working on the mainstay of sumo, pushing power. Currently 132 kg, he is aiming at increasing another 10 kg and creating a body that doesn't lose due to lack of strength.

A. From now on, I think adjusting the body becomes more important. I want to be able to sumo with heavily built sumos. In order to stay stable at sekitori rank, well, there's no other way than to move in that direction.

In his first makuuchi in his hometown Osaka, Ura is moving towards a new style of sumo.

A. It's an unknown world. But even in it, I aim at focusing and doing my own sumo during the 15 days, until the end.

I can't stand aoiyama. He is literally disgusting. and the only reason he's as high as he is is because he's a big fat blob.

>>2388976

>>2389370
>A. From now on, I think adjusting the body becomes more important.

Well there is nothing wrong with gaining weight, in fact as Ura points out, it is kind of essential if he wants to stay on Makuuchi. He has tow routes to achieve it. The Hakuho and Harumafuji way which clearly is almost 100% muscle or the Gagamaru and Aoiyama way which will be a shame for such a talented up-and-comer given that it greatly limits the type of sumo you can do.

Day 9: https://youtu.be/t7p0Lzb_Fjc

>>2389712
He's pretty consistent in the upper maegashira, you've got to give him a little more credit. He's not even the heaviest fighter in the top division despite his appearance, both ichinojo and sadanofuji are heavier.

That being said, his style isn't all that exciting to watch as a spectator. We all like to see the crazy throws etc and he just can't do them at his weight.

>>2389819
Hadumafuji is probably a touch underweight, but possibly perfect for Ura's style at around 140kg.

Hakuho maintains the "ideal" weight of around 160kg

>>2389847
Goddamn that Hokutofuji match, haven't seen that much blood in awhile

>>2388976
>if he's going to keep doing the brand of very agile sumo that has been working for him
in juryo

is Gagamaru /our guy/?

>>2392086
all foreigners are our guys

>>2392086
Gagamaru is a pretty based dude and all around jovial guy who seems to be well liked in Japan for a foreigner. not a half bad /our guy/.

>>2389370
>>2389368
good stuff anon, this is what makes /sumo/ the absolute comfiest threads

>>2392086
He's the most popular wrestler among children and his knick name is teddy bear. So yeah he's probably our guy.

Day 10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvb3mk6TIK0

Damn, the Mongolians really do not look good this time around. Osunaarashi burying Juryo, he is truly makuuchi level but plagued by injury.

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>tfw at the end of day 10 of the basho you are behind Kaisei which came out from injury on day 6 and still managed to post a better result than your 1-9 record.

Hated the Takanoiwa henka on Takayasu. I'm not a big Takayasu guy or anything but I hate to see henka's on contenders, especially from non-contenders. Watching Takanoiwa pay for that was glorious though.

We should be coming down to a fun last few days. It's basically a tag team match at this point with Takayasu and Kisenosato vs Terunofuji and Harumafuji. Whoever's partner does better might be able to win the tournament for their partner. Takayasu really needs to win one of his bouts against Kakuryu or Harumafuji. If he somehow were to win both, a basho title is very possible.

What was Baruto like in sumo?

I only know him from watching Rizin.

>>2397237
I'll disagree, if Takayasu couldn't spot a henka and win, he doesn't deserve to be in the lead. Henkas only work against lazy sumo.

>>2400142
He was like if Gagamaru was a better fighter, he quite liked lift outs too. He was definitely much better at Sumo than MMA.

>>2400516
>Henkas only work against lazy sumo.
remember the hakuhenka against harumafuji on day 15 of last year's march tournament?

He won the cup because of that victory lol.

>>2400542
The Hakuhenka was a 10/10 troll moment

Unironically and literally an act of a madman

>>2400542
It's rare that I would call a Henka good but that one was good, it really was the least expected move and that's why it worked even on Harumafuji.

And again Harumafuji is to blame for not paying attention.

Day 11: https://youtu.be/am1BC-hWeJo

>>2401808
that terunofuji match was great, this is the first basho since the one after he was promoted where he's actually reminded us why he got promoted in the first place

NOOOO TAKAYASU
To be expected desu against a yokozuna, even if the Mongolians are looking bad

>>2401969
he put up a solid match though. I'm interested to see how he'll do against Terunofuji, that dude is hauling ass.

Also shout out to Yoshikaze who has been wrestling like a mad cunt this basho. Far cry from two bashos ago where he was absolutely sucking shit.

>>2401984
I thought we were gonna get a repeat of Yoshikaze the giant slayer from Nov 2015, but not this time.

i don't like the mid-level gyouji in red kimono who is always stressing the sumos to tachiai. the mind game is completely lost.

>>2401969

He gets another chance tomorrow against Harumafuji

I am also looking forward to Ura vs Aoiyama

Can a rikishi be as fucking lucky as Kisenosato is?

>>2397098
At least he got Hakuho although on a bullshit call

>>2403178
don't worry, he's still got 4 more days to choke

>>2403722
and hes still got big boss aka teronufuji to face

Day 12 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzpV0qVK6dM

Standings after Day 12:
12 wins
○○○○○○○○○○○○ Y2w Kisenosato

11 wins
○○○○○●○○○○○○ O1w Terunofuji

10 wins
○○○○○○○○○○●● S1w Takayasu
○○○○○○●○○○○● M10w Tochiozan

9 wins
●○●○○○○○●○○○ Y2e Harumafuji

Thoughts on today:

- Terunofuji had an amazing come from behind victory today. I'm still not sure how he pulled it off or how Endo blew it, when all he needed to do was push into his stomach, but Endo blew it. Highlight win for Terunofuji and man is it good to see the big man back at full strength.

- Kisenosato also looked solid today going to 12-0 and he has no Hakuho to worry about this time around.

- Takayasu took his second loss today and has a very very small chance of getting the title at this point. Nothing to be ashamed about though. He overperformed and Harumafuji's technique was very good today.

- Kotoshogiku lost and needs to win his next 3 to get back to Ozeki. If he can't do this, he will never be an Ozeki again, there I said it. I wasn't around when he became an Ozeki but I can't see him winning 33 bouts over 3 tournaments to become an Ozeki again. He can be really good at times, but his lack of balance and lack of being able to fight off henka's will always haunt him. He seems like a good dude, but he just looks downright embarassing at times.

Day 13 - It's heating up:
Kisenosato vs Harumafuji - Harumafuji has the 37-24 edge over Kise.
Kakuryu vs Terunofuji - Kakuryu has a 7-3 record against Terunofuji, but I wouldn't count that so much, since Terunofuji has been a pile of bandages for the last year.
Nice looking Ura vs Chiyoshouma match as well

>>2405587
Excited for both those Yokozuna matches tomorrow damn

>>2405587
>If he can't do this, he will never be an Ozeki again
If he can't do it then it could very well be the end of his career as a rikishi. He is 33 years old and has been Ozeki for 5 years. People and more importantly the JSA will expect him to end his career honorably.

>>2364397
do Sumo Wrestlers do any weight training or do they just train wrestling?

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>>2406034
Yes they do.

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>>2406149

>>2406149
>>2406155

wow that's pathetic

I don't know much about it but the training seems very primitive. Like everything in sumo it is tied to history and tradition. They train the same way as previous generations. I would guess they are far from the optimum training programs.

>>2406609
They're my drug tested. I want to see a roid monster rikishi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBfOKK01TzI
Isegahama stable has a gym.
I hear that Hakuho hasn't been doing the weight training until recently. But he is great.

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I cut out my favorite two salt rituals... first one is Takayasu. I just love the way he shrugs. He repeats this same move before every match.

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Second one is Kotoshogku... he does that Hulk-like pose. Crowd always cheers when he does it.

Anyway, if you know of any other cool moves, let me know.

>>2407359

That Koto pose is called KOTO- POWER

>>2407359
My mother laughs her ass off every time she sees Harumafuji do his hip twirl. Sadly he hasn't been doing it at all lately. He does is usual salt throwing pose but either skip the twirl altogether or it is almost imperceptible.

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>>2406158
Sure seems to do the job though

>>2406034
They do, but it's more of a personal time training usually. Amuru has dropped down the ranks a bit, but apparently does 4 hours in the weight room everyday after keiko

>>2407240
Hakuho has said that he does nothing but 300 foot stomps everyday, which sounds like bullshit to me but it's ridiculous if true.

>>2407359
Kotoyuki used to hoot before matches and the crowd would go crazy, sadly the judging committee made him stop.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOzjWhqQbqQ does it just after 4 minutes

>>2407819
especially considering how obviously muscular he is

Reporting from /int/

Was flipping channels tonight and came across some kind of sumo wrestling championship on the Hong Kong channel.

I watched it for a little while and it was pretty interesting, but I don't understand why they are so fat. I wrestled folkstyle and Greco-Roman in highschool and everything the did was essentially a bastardized version of greco wrestling they have extremely impressive speed and throw around tremendous amounts of force, but they were all so fat that I don't understand it. Why do they get so fat when they could have even more explosive power at the same weight by just packing on even more muscle? Is it a tradition thing?

Please explain this sport to me, I don't understand why they trade power for fat.

Also don't understand why their weights range so much when it's essentially just a battle of momentum.

Any sumo fans able to explain this shit?

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>>2408284
They aren't actually fat, the bodyfat percentage of most rikishi is lower than the average person. They look pretty similar in physique to modern power lifters, that's how muscle tends to look when you're going for actual power and not bodybuilding looks.

That being said, when your goal is not being pushed out, more weight makes you harder to push out and also gives you more momentum when pushing forward.

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>>2408297
>the bodyfat percentage of most rikishi is lower than the average person

As an American I can assure you that is not impressive or even difficult.

That said I think your mistaken. These dudes are very clearly very high bodyfat. I was a state placer at folkstyle 285, I know how fat guys look when they are genuinely fat compared to a slab of meat with a layer of fat over it. Everyone I watched tonight was significantly fat. even though you could see all the muscle they had underneath it's just not comparable to all the other "fat" athletes around. Even the strongman competitors are significantly more trim (pic related).

It still seems odd to me that they wouldn't trade some of that fat for muscle since they already have lightning fast explosiveness. Putting even power kinetic energy behind that first strike seems as though it would be a huge advantage.

>>2408284
>Why do they get so fat when they could have even more explosive power at the same weight by just packing on even more muscle?
That isn't entirely accurate. What the sport/tradition utilises is a balance of 'mass and muscle', if you were to put it in a way, to produce explosive force and the ability to overcome heavy opposing explosive force. Traditional certainly dictates a lot of the ritualistic aspects but there have been a lot smaller, more 'muscular' wrestlers to achieve high success other larger opponents, so it isn't like they are prohibited from so as you say. It isn't really common, though.

>I don't understand why they trade power for fat.
Force exertion. A larger mass exerts more force, which is why size gives the wrestlers advantage. They are however rather strong as their training is very physical. Compare a line backer in hang egg with the quarterback position, for example. Compare them physically. Line backers are fat fucks with a hell of a lot of muscle as well.

>Also don't understand why their weights range so much when it's essentially just a battle of momentum.
Weight range comes down to what their body is capable of and "personal" choice. Their diet and training is very strategic; some wrestlers are able to put on more mass during training than others due to how their bodies handle it.

>>2408297
>the bodyfat percentage of most rikishi is lower than the average person
It's far higher than the average Japanese. They are "fat", anon. Let's not be coy. They also have a far higher than average lean body mass but they also have a far higher than average amount of adipose tissue and on average die far younger than the rest of the populace due to what they put their bodies through and the complications involved.

>>2408344
>>2408355
Chiyonofuji was famously as low as 6%, Harumafuji is a Yokozuna and at 24%, which is higher than the average male Athlete, but it's not obese. Hakuho was measured on TV at 25%, and he has the "ideal" sumo body.

It's definitely taxing on their bodies though, it's not healthy. It's not within a range we would consider fat though.

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>Kisenosato injured
>Takayasu on the tilt

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>2409042
AS expected from the Tagonoura beya.
It is somewhat endearing that Takayasu has also taken the tradition to choke on important bouts or whenever he is on a run for promotion.

I don't believe it. Surely he will fight anyway. A feeble henka attempt is better than nothing.

I'll be surprised if conspiracy isn't abound over the Kisenosato bout, what an interesting day

>>2409247
what conspiracy? All the japs wanted him to win.

>>2409251
Which is exactly why the mongolians planned to injure him friend :^)

>>2408387

>6%

Absolutely nowhere near that low. Usain Bolt is 6%

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>>2409271
It definitely seems a bit low to me too, but to be fair, the dude was all muscle and possibly doping

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fug just saw the injury. There's no way Kisensato stays in.

>>2409423

LEFT ARM SHATTERED

SHATTERED LIKE MY HOPES AND DREAMS

as kisenosato rises in rank so too does his ability to choke

if there was something above yokozuna once he reached it he'd spontaneously combust on day 15

>>2408387

>6%

My fucking ass he was. Dude was big as fuck but there is no way in hell that he was 6% bodyfat. He looks somewhere in the 18% range but with that much lean bulk you would have to have a pool to measure it accurately.

>>2408284
It's a bit of a mixture of preferred technique and tradition.

They have a mix of explosive power and mass that allows both blocking of your opponents momentum and gives advantageous positions. Moves like the frontal forceout use the belly to keep the opponent off balance and push them out.

Gagamaru sinking lower into the banzuke.
We may never see him again on Makuuchi.

>>2409733
oh shit, is he struggling in juryo?

>>2409788
actually I just checked he's 5-8

fugg

>>2409423
Any news on the injury? Is it broken? Dislocated shoulder?

I MUST KNOW! TELL ME!

>>2409949
Judging by the way he fell and the way he was holding it, I think it's a broken clavicle. I broke mine when I fell and landed on my arm the same way.

>>2410106
Damn i hope it isnt anything that serious. I mean the guy is definitely out for the rest of the basho which sucks since a match up with Terunofuji wouldve been awesome.

>>2407840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA0MTkHLO0g

>>2407359
Asashoryus belt slap

MONGOLIAN CONSPIRACY

TERUNOFUJI BOSHO

BIG BOSS

Mark my words : Futahaguro 2.0.

Harumafuji with the steal in the last 2 days

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>>2409949
from the japan times
>Kisenosato had his left arm in a sling and was taken to a hospital soon after. The doctor who examined Kisenosato right after the bout in the dressing room said the wrestler didn’t think it was a dislocation, but was told he “cannot move” that part of his body as there is pain and he is worried about repercussions from doing so.

Kinda fucked about Kisenosato. He really needed to win this tournament to quell the shit talk about his promotion.

Career ending ijury?

>>2410629
no c'mon, that's exceedingly premature with how little we know about the injury. Kisenosato will probably pull out of this basho which is a real shame but once he takes some time to heal he should be alright.

>>2410619
FUCK! Thank you anon for finding this.

So, he's definitely out of this basho? Sure looks like it.

Ho will win Haru Basho now? Terunofuji?

>>2410735
pretty much guaranteed now

Terunofuji has to win either of his next 2 bouts to clinch it.

Takayasu, Harumafuji, and Tochiozan are all 10-3 so if any of them won their next 2 bouts and Terunofuji lost his next 2 bouts there would be a playoff. The real shame of this though is that they had scheduled Terunofuji vs Kisenosato as the last match of day 15, and that would have been a great way to end it, especially if the cup was on the line.

>>2410794
Thanks for confirming my intuitions anon. Yeah, this basho's gonna suck. Way too many injuries. And losing Kisenosato just plain sucks. Hope he recovers.

>>2410812
what, this basho's been great so far

>>2410819
Some really good matches but losing Goeido and Hakuho killed some really good match ups. Not even mentioning Kakuryu, Harumafuji, and Ikioi all being injured as well.

>>2410846
... and now Kisenosato.

Awful luck for Kise today. Almost a guaranteed 2nd tourney for Terunofuji and if he stays in this form, we might see a 5th Yokozuna in July.

>>2410979

At least Terunofuji is looking good so we a say he deserves it. Hope he can stay healthy now

>that henka

jesus christ that was ice cold

>>2411878
Speaking of that henka:

Day 14: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ptQtuFPOCk

Pretty interesting day honestly

What Terunofuji pulled today was so low. I'm no Koto fan, but that was just wrong. Absolutely hate to see henka's period, especially in decisive matches like that. Total lack of respect and class.

>>2411904
I was watching live and after the matta I said to my friend "Kotoshogiku always stops paying attention after a matta, Terunofuji should Henka" and then he did and it ruled

Kotoshogiku is too easy to read, can't blame Terunofuji for taking advantage

Is Terunofuji /ourguy/?

>>2411904
its Kotoshogiku's fault for falling for it

>>2412244
It's still considered 'bad sumo' for a reason. I understand doing it when you're 1-9 in a tournament and you desperately need a one. But it's a really fucking cheap way to win a title.

>>2411904
>What Terunofuji pulled today was so low. I'm no Koto fan, but that was just wrong. Absolutely hate to see henka's period, especially in decisive matches like that. Total lack of respect and class.
He will never be promoted to Yokozuna.

Big Dog Terunofuji

Terunofuji has nice voice. Ikioi #1 though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umXamWPt0VE

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>I don't like to see Henkas

>>2413075
He is 25 and once/if he puts his knees problems behind there is no way he won't make Yokozuna. Fuck for all we know he may win next basho too and get promoted then and there.

>Terunofuji, who got his 13th win against Kotoshogiku (8-6).

>The manner of the victory drew boos from the crowd, however, as Terunofuji dodged his opponent’s charge and slapped down the onrushing sekiwake.

Japan Times

>>2413328

That would be a tough decision to make if he wins two in a row.

Kise got promoted after one win but he had consistent strong results before that. Terunofuji had terrible results last year. I will e rooting for him next tournament now to see what happens

>>2413328
Winning two in a row isn't enough to guarantee yokozuna promotion. Given he's Mongolian and the way he won this one, the Japs will stiff him.

>>2413373
>>2413395
when was the last time they didn't promote someone after winning 2 consecutive cups

>>2413509
Hakuho got SEVEN consecutive Yusho and he wasn't promoted. <|:^)

I don't understand why they did not pair Daieisho with someone higher for his last bout. The only thing he lacks for getting the Shukun-sho is a bout with a sanyaku rank.

Also Takayasu will probably win the Kanto-sho again.

big boss the absolute madman

>>2413395
Winning 2 consecutive as ozeki is enough. They will do everything in their power to avoid it tho

>>2413734
No it's not. This was discussed when Goeido won his cup. Winning 2 for an Ozeki still isn't enough to guarantee a yokozuna promotion.

It's deliberated and decided by committee. Which for a japanese rikshi is a guarantee. Not for a Mongolian.

>>2413576
hakuho was promoted after winning only 2 consecutive tournaments as ozeki, March and May 2007. Although he did go 15-0 in May so I think it would be pretty hard for anyone to argue he didn't deserve the promotion.

In 2006 he went 13-2 in January, March, and July. 14-1 (yusho) in May, 8-7 in September, sat out November due to injury, then went 10-5 in January 07.

Now lets compare 2006/2007 Hakuho to 2016/2017 Terunofuji

>jan: 3-3-9
>march: 8-7
>may: 2-13
>july: 8-7
>september: 4-11
>november: 8-7
>jan: 4-11
Really unimpressive numbers there compared to Hakuho, his last tournament with double digit wins before this one was September 2015.

Now that I'm looking at the numbers I could definitely understand the yokozuna committee being uneasy promoting him. That said the current era is something of an anomaly with multiple yokozuna remaining active for many years. If you look at the number of rikishi with more than 4 yusho its not a very long list, only 30 people have won 5 or more cups since 1911.

>>2413075

>He will never be promoted to Yokozuna.

Here's the various situations:

Yusho + Yusho = Forced to promote him. No way out of it.

Yusho + Jun Yusho = Kakuryu and Kise got promoted off of this. They could use his 4-11 in January against him, but I'm not sure if they would. At worst they could say....

Yusho + Jun Yusho + Maybe 10+ wins? = Again, I don't think he'd have a problem meeting this if he were healthy. Unhealthy Terunofuji? Maybe not.

>>2413509

>when was the last time they didn't promote someone after winning 2 consecutive cup

May have only happened when the Shogun could only declare a Yokozuna, and those rules don't count anymore.

The rule has always been 2 Titles in a row or something equal to it, which is open ended. We have seen multiple people not get promoted off of a Yusho + Jun Yusho like Kaio.

All the anger at Terunofuji for using a strategically good move within the ruleset is ridiculous, he did nothing that every Yokozuna hasn't done.

>>2413751
Yes, it is. They are winning right now because of the henka, but at the time of he winning that 2 yusho none of it matters. He would have to do 5 henkas or anything outside the sumo to be denied the promotion

Also, Im loving the uproar about the Terunohenka. Normally calmed sumoforum is so mad right now

Final Day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBN59UVgVTw

Disappointed that big boss lost, but I can't deny that kise wasn't a boss himself this basho!

Kise going to win every basho this year. So cocky now that he's zuna. Doesn't choke anymore

>>2372766

I wrote this post

Now I am a ##KisenoMissile

big yens Kise carrying the sport

The end was too good to be true.
I wonder if it was not orchestrated from the very start. Kise injury and all.

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>>2410518
>city of you

Based Kisenosato making my sunday

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>>2414956
KISENOSATO

KISENOSATO

KISENOSATO


Japan must have went nuts today!

>>2414971
>Kise injury and all.
huh? his shoulder was non-functioning yesterday.

>>2414632
Wonder if they're as mad about the kisenohenka

Talk about instant karma.
Yesterday Terunofuji humiliated Kotoshogiku.
Today an injured Kisenosato humiliates twice a bewildered Terunofuji.

>>2415313
Is it though? Terunofuji saw right through the henka that Kisenosato tried

Nobody gonna hate on Kisenosato for doing a henka though because he's Japanese

>>2415239
>Wonder if they're as mad about the kisenohenka
Not as much because everyone assumed Terunofuji deserved it plus Kiso didn't actually succeed at it.

>>2415444
>plus Kiso didn't actually succeed at it.

Doesn't this just prove that Kotoshogiku wasn't paying attention?

>>2415581
Terunofuji caused a false start. Then he did a henka.

Today he lost TWICE.

Terunofuji is done. Will never be a Yokozuna.

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Tagonoura beya coming through.
Step aside you puny plebs.

>>2415601
People said that about Kisenosato for years, but it happened

>>2415615
Takayasu almost looks cute when you can't see his fur coat

>>2415615
Based

you deserve it *clap clap clap*

Fuck this scripted shit

Is there anywhere that collects crowd reactions? There must some great photos out there.

>>2415601
>25 years old with a yusho under his belt and is already an ozeki
>never gonna be a yokozuna

u

>>2415349
I think part of people not hating on Kise for the henka has to do with the spirit in which he did it as oppose to how Terunofuji did it. Terunofuji did it against an obviously struggling opponent who he couldve easily taken in regular sumo whereas Kise did it as an injured fighter against a seemingly much stronger opponent.
Still neither of them do it very often at all and Kotoshogiku wasnt going to be Terunofuji regardless of a henka so I think it's stupid to shit on Terunofuji or Kise for the henkas.

>>2415601
25 year old Ozeki with one yusho already. Hmm

>>2416151
>>2416678
he'll probably get injured and/or just start sucking and choking.

>>2415601

Un ozkeki de 25 anhos y con un yusho, mmmmm

De verdad que activa la corteza cerebral

>>2416964
you have to go back Jose

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>>2417003
/pol/ pls go. /sumo/ is for being comfy and talking about sumo above all else.

>>2417024
this is not a spanish speaking site, you dumbfuck.

>>2416712
That didn't stop Kisenosato lol

Based Kise. Made up for all that choking with those back to back wins.

Now Takayasu must carry the burden.

>>2417350
>12 Jun-Yusho in Makuuchi
>2 Yusho

He's got a ways to go for making up

>>2352506
Sumo wrestler can get money.
Why American footballer don't try to challenge Sumo Wrestler?? Sumo and American Football has common move. yes Tackle!!
big guy hit each other is priceless.

>>2417024
No seas dolordeculo. No me afecta para nada

>>2417824
what did pajeet mean by this?

Fuck this shit.
The kanto-sho should have been awarded to Daieisho. Takakeisho even got a fucking freebie against Chiyoo.
Seriously I just don't get how they make these type of decisions.