Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1827

>>72492744
サンキュー フォー エクスプレイニング トゥ ミー

Chaos ensued certainly

>wanted to get my scifi japanese on a level good enough for nier automata
>didn't make it in time

I am a failure as a human being

kino...
kino became female in the latest cover.

What's the most efficient way to use leeches? Should I keep a low leech threshold, or should I keep it at 99 so I don't miss any cards?
>>72494198
I know that feel senpai, I want to get good enough to play DanganRonpa V3 in Japanese when it comes out, but sadly it's too late.

Anyone know how to remove the DRM from Bookwalker epubs?

i dont know the difficult thing, but such a thing is posted in 2ch usually.

>>72494442
Keep it at 8 to depress you whenever a leech happens, but set it so the action to take is "do nothing". Burying cards is for fags.

I'm having a bit of trouble grasping こと sentences.
What's the difference between these two:
それを使ったことがありますか?
それを使いましたか?

>>72495724
>それを使ったことがありますか?
Have you ever used that?
>それを使いましたか?
Did you use that?

Anyone using KanjiDamage decks to study? I was pretty happy to find something that combines kanji and vocabulary, but find myself not remembering the vocab at all, just the kanji meaning, which makes it no different from RTK.

>>72495724
The former emphasizes the fact of the matter that the object in question wasn't used.

>>72495724
the こと and 「」と grammar points always make me think Japanese is nothing but teenager slang applied over two centuries. Looks informal as fuck.

>>72495822
Is this what people mean when they say the japanese past tense "implies completion"? 来た meaning "it's here" and so on

>>72496161
>tfw using honorific form
It is as if anything short of ありがとうございます feels informal.

貴官はお使いになったことがございませんか

>>72497222
try again

>>72497506
おるんですか
使いになったことがおられませんか
これはどう

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Just passed the 2000 mark in the Core 2/6k deck. Should I keep going or awkwardly stumble my way through some baby manga?

>>72497850
I haven't even started the Core and I'm already reading Yotsuba. You should have no trouble.

>nippon studies going well for 1 or 2 years now

>but I don't enjoy VNs and LNs anymore

well fuck me

>>72498183
Are you fluent yet? Could you read VNs and LNs if you wanted to without problems?

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>>72494455
Doesn't look like it. The issue was brought up on jcafe and also here:
https://github.com/apprenticeharper/DeDRM_tools/issues/166
There was some discussion about this sort of thing on /a/:
http://desuarchive.org/a/thread/154729971/#154751435

Problem is that by the next time there is a fix, the paranoid fucks will end up removing all trace of everything moments after they upload it so then maybe four or five other paranoid fucks will have the fix but will be too autistic about the whole thing and we will never get it. The anon who uploaded a script to fix one ripping solution had it deleted within minutes of posting. Ridiculous.
I really don't like how these paranoid fucks in the ripping scene operate. A good 99% of the time their problems are self caused. They are delusional enough to think publishers like Kadokawa or companies like Rakuten are constantly watching over 4chan like hawks when in reality there are DRM removal solutions which have been fine for ages despite them being discussed all over the web. People like that would never put together something like what this thread has with all the resources, guides, etc.

/rant

>>72497850
Why not both?

>>72495985
I think kanjidamage was originally intended as a reference, not a complete course of memorisation. If you really want a deck, you should use the "kanjidamage+" deck, that cuts it down to just the mnemonic, the most important readings and the "meaning", which is about as much as anki will manage to stuff into your head. I used that deck myself for a couple of weeks at the start, before I realised that kanji study is ultimately a waste of time for anyone with a reasonably healthy brain.

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>>72498259
I will get there one day senpai

>>72498302
Did you just study vocab after that realisation? How did that work out?

Dudebros, anyone got any recommendations for a comfy video series to use as a passive learning resource? Something to watch while I'm eating. I've been studying for around 7 months.

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>>72498284
>Why not both?

When you put it that way...

>>72498259
>>72498634
Is this some anki plugin?

>>72499105
Kanjigrid

942570791

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>>72499076

>>72498754
I just plunged into core and then switched to mining after about 2500 cards. I'm at about 4,500 vocab now and haven't made a leech yet.
I did spend about a week beforehand memorising the kangxi radicals, but I'm not sure how helpful that's been to be honest. If you can find a radical deck of 200 or so cards which focuses on components that have a phonetic influence I would definitely recommend that instead.

>>72495985
I'm using KanjiDamage. I guesss your retention ability depends on how many new cards a day you're doing. I've been doing 20 new cards a day and picking easy only when i know most of the readings(Usually all of them, unless there are like 4/5 kunyomis and 2 onyomi) and one or two jukugos, and I've got 136 mature cards out of about 550 cards in total.
Today I'm changing it to 40 new cards a day(I feel like only 20 is way too slow since it's just 10 kanji because there are reverse cards in my deck)
How many new cards a day are you doing and how far in are you? I'm personally enjoying KanjiDamage quite a bit(Like when i start remembering a kanji's onyomi because i remember it takes the reading from another kanji inside it)

>>72496469
た form + ことがある... is a grammer expression meaning have you ever [done X]

so

>それを使ったことがありますか?
is have you ever used that before?

while

>それを使いましたか?
did you used that?

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>>72498259
How to make grids look less shit:

>Tools -> Add-ons -> Kanji grid -> Edit
>Replace </title> with </title><style>body { table, tr, td {border-collapse:collapse; border:0px;}</style>

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Please japanese people

what is this

>>72495985
I wonder how much advantage does KanjiDamage have compared to just going to
http://www.imabi.net/joyokanjilist.htm

and searching words and sentences in dictionary employing the kanji before composing your own sentences with it?

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>>72498259
How long have you been studying for?

australians are cute

>>72500588
即寝…

>>72500792
thanks australia now i feel dumb

how did you improve handwritten kanji reading

>>72500941
Not the australian, but im guessing stroke order helps

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>>72500691
>>72499736
>>72498634
>>72498259
You're telling me I'm going to have to learn hundreds of kanji?

>>72501217
this

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>>72501217
>hundreds
You can't learn Japanese.

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>>72498259

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>50 kanji left
I'm gonna make it bois!
>>72501217
Thousands, actually.

>>72500604
Well, you are getting it all by just using an anki deck(I'm lazy as fuck, and i usually study on my cell phone while travelling or in the bathroom, so being able to study all those things in one convenient place is nice). You're having mnemonics made for you and the kanji are being split into their components and used in said mnemonic. The Anki deck is not ordered by grade but by radicals and which kanji use which radicals/kanji(It wont show you kanji for which you dont know the components).
In my opinion, if you are the kind of person with the willpower to use a list+dictionary and have the time/means to do so, then it is probably better to do so.
I'm personally not being all that serious about studying yet(I wanna get a grasp of a lot of kanji and vocab before i start reading, i find it really frustrating having to go to a dictionary or translator) so kanjidamage is probably a good option for me.
Im curious: Has anyone studied with the method he depicted?

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>>72501347
We believe in you Anon!

>>72500691
This is a fake right?

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>>72501316
>implying I'm going to let you intimidate me

Bring on your fucking kanji. I'll learn them just like I learned the kana and wipe that smug ass shit eating smirk off your face.
>muh Japanese is hard
I'll fucking wipe my ass with this language.

>>72501499
>Comparing learning kanji to learning kana
oh boi, you're in for a ride

>>72501548
>b-but muh double meanings and strokes!
I'll use them as cumrags when I'm done with them.

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>>72501316
Okay seriously where does this picture actually come from? Google isn't being very helpful

>>72501499
>>72501597
Don't worry, I have faith in you, Mexicanon. You can do it.

>>72501597
You can learn kana in a day/week. Kanji requires perseverance just because of the sheer amount. Having many readings and meanings and compound words and 15+strokes is just a bonus.

>>72501642
From DJT

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How do you style your mining deck senpaitachi? Just started mine, I'll probably change the font and add the sentence where I encountered the word.

>>72501642
I don't remember the source but I'm pretty sure she was a meme since at least DJT #500

>tfw essentially gave up at thread #650 (but not really)
>getting serious again literally thousand threads later.
Truly she was right I wonder how many anons actually learned japanese by now.

in english school, word counts are usually prescribed for essays. how is this done in Japan?

>>72502619
>how is this done in Japan?
Japanese has words too you know.

>>72500941
>how did you improve handwritten kanji reading
Reading manga, more or less.

>>72501217
Don't worry about it.
You're Mexican, not Mexicant.

>>72502767
yeah, but I feel like they would be harder to count because they have no spaces. maybe I'm overthinking this

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>>72502468
http://pastebin.com/JvbecfZU
copy paste into styling field
replace url with whatever picture you want
adjust the two opacity values depending on how visible you want the background / text to be

>>72501642
Do a Google search for "lingualift Japanese".

For 四, the core2k deck gives a reading of よん and し, and they're both nouns. Does the reading change purely based on whatever set phrase it's attached to, or is there some grammatical thing I'm missing here?

>>72502893
there are parsers that can roughly interpret the amount of words

but more likely, it would be total length of pages or just character count

>>72502949
that is sort of a special case w/ numbers, look up counting / counters / telling time

>>72502904
Looks nice, thanks anon

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>>72500941
learn the stroke order, write some out yourself and observe just how ugly your chicken scratch can be when writing fast

the proper stroke order will keep even the fastest scribbles legible (usually), since you can see what they were going for in the flow of their writing, similar to those people who use a strange connected semi cursive style in english

>>72502893
No, you are right. It is kind of a tricky question. Do particles count as words? Does verb-masu count as two words?

>>72502920
>lingualift Japanese
rofl
https://www.google.com.ar/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcutenippon.files.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F05%2Flingualift-japanese-920x5571.png&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fcutenippon.wordpress.com%2F2012%2F05%2F22%2F%25E3%2581%25B9%25E3%2582%2593%25E3%2581%258D%25E3%2582%2587%25E3%2581%2586%25E3%2581%2597%25E3%2582%258B-an-awesome-site-to-aid-in-your-japanese-studies-lingualift%2F&docid=2NERZg98-J0_VM&tbnid=njncGKTE4nIFlM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj-sprDtuPSAhWBFpAKHcZYArcQMwgbKAEwAQ..i&w=920&h=557&safe=off&client=firefox-b-ab&bih=626&biw=1360&q=lingualift%20Japanese&ved=0ahUKEwj-sprDtuPSAhWBFpAKHcZYArcQMwgbKAEwAQ&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=557&imgrc=njncGKTE4nIFlM:&vet=10ahUKEwj-sprDtuPSAhWBFpAKHcZYArcQMwgbKAEwAQ..i&w=920
https://www.google.com.ar/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-Tvn9fmVrfG4%2FT4uIzkx8q5I%2FAAAAAAAAA8I%2Fbk_BNsh2X14%2Fs1600%2FLingualiftfront.png&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jadij.com%2F2012%2F04%2Fservice-review-lingualift.html&docid=_WmLo6iZYBO_QM&tbnid=zyUBZzZ0YHaZQM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwj-sprDtuPSAhWBFpAKHcZYArcQMwgcKAIwAg..i&w=1364&h=518&safe=off&client=firefox-b-ab&bih=626&biw=1360&q=lingualift%20Japanese&ved=0ahUKEwj-sprDtuPSAhWBFpAKHcZYArcQMwgcKAIwAg&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=518&imgrc=zyUBZzZ0YHaZQM:&vet=10ahUKEwj-sprDtuPSAhWBFpAKHcZYArcQMwgcKAIwAg..i&w=1364

>>72503654
>that link
kill yourself

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>>72503707
Yeah i deeply apologize, I didn't realize it was one of those stupid google links. Here, have a cute waifu for your troubles.

why the fuck are there two argentinians here

>monday in japanese is written with the kanji for moon
>moon day

hard to forget now, that's good.

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>>72503860

>>72503860
I know right, everyone here should have a unique flag so we can tell exactly whose post it is.

>>72503902
sunday also has sun
friday has gold (pay day)

these practically make themselves

>>72503902
And you can also think friday is written with gold because it's payday.

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>>72502949
In your example,
シ is the 音読み (Chinese reading)
よん in the 訓読み (Japanese reading)
http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/328/how-to-choose-between-%E3%82%88%E3%82%93-yon-vs-%E3%81%97-shi-for-%E5%9B%9B-4-and-%E3%81%97%E3%81%A1-shichi-vs

>>72503654
(ﾟ∀ﾟ)

>>72503984
I will never get earth and wood sorted out.
Just like how Tuesday/Thursday still requires thinking and Jeudi/Vendredi never come to mind when I need them.

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>>72503654

>>72503902
You might find this interesting: http://www.cjvlang.com/Dow/dowjpn.html

Is there any pattern to how the days of the month are called? I've learned both readings for all the numbers, but now I'm trying to learn dates and they're unlike anything Ive seen before(Are these used anywhere else?). I mean things like "tsuitachi", "tooka", "nanoka" and "hatsuka".
Also, don't people mistake ""yokka" and "youka" often?

>>72504273
Do you know the names of the planets in Japanese? Saturday becomes another easy one to remember because it's Saturn (土星) Day.

>>72504273
For english, just think Tuesday is the day number Two(Tue and Two sound alike) of the week.

I'm a native English speaker and I still often get Tuesday and Thursday confused. There's been a couple of times where I asked someone to cover me on the wrong day because of it.

>>72503984
>>72503985
>>72504299

pretty interesting stuff, thanks

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>>72504273
>>72504360
I still don't know how to read out the planet names like pic related.

>>72504531
>and I still often get Tuesday and Thursday confused
Sounds like a different sort of issue, anon.

>>72504299
I'm pretty sure ついたち and はつか are the only truly irregular readings. The rest are just 訓読み.

ふたつ→ふつか
みっつ→みっか
よっつ→よっか
いつつ→いつか
etc.

>>72505380
oops, I misread some posts... sorry.

あと and のち (後)
Are they interchangeable?
Or there are certain contexts where only one of them can be used?

>>72505774
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/thsrs/15266/meaning/m0u/
>【1】「後(あと)」は、「事件の三日あと」のように、ある事態が起こった時点を基準とする場合のほか、「あとで電話します」のように、現在を基準にする場合にも用いられる。それに対して、「後(のち)」は、「のちほど」のような表現を除けば、前者の場合にしか用いられない。

They are interchangeable in some instances. It depends on the point of reference: あと can refer to after the present or after some other point in time, while のち is only used to mean after some other point in time, with the exception of set expressions like のちほど.

>>72499330
As I understand it, the kangxi radical deck isn't meant to aid in recognition but to keep you from mixing up similar-looking kanji. When you're familiar with the radicals themselves you have an easier time differentiating between kanji with a one-radical difference.

>>72506383
Thks!

>>72505606
Well, some are pretty weird then:
nanatsu -> nanoka
yattsu -> youka

>>72505380
>水金地火木土天海冥
Explain.

A compound word could actually help me, I thank 春夏秋冬 for making it easy to remember the readings of stuff like 夏期 秋分 春分 冬至.

Will Genki take me to N1 by the end of the second volume?

>>72507199
水星
金星
地球
火星
木星
土星
天星
海星
冥王星
すいきんちかもくどてんかいめい

>>72507432
No.

I NEED SOMETHING CUTE AND/OR FUNNY I CAN READ IN MY BROWSER WITH RIKAIKUN

FUCK

>>72507461
>天星
>海星
天王星
海王星

>>72507461
Derp, 天王星 海王星

>>72507432
There is no textbook on planet earth which can do that

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>>72501334
Why do I have a lot more red kanji but Im only 500 below you...
Am I bad or something?

>>72507799
Ahh. Well what's realistic for a full course such as Genk 1+2? Would I be able to function visiting Japan?

>>72507877
Different amount of new cards, different retention rates, different starting dates, lots of things can be doing that.

Maybe you will soon know spring and all your blue cards will blossom!

>>72507461
Ah, my brain farted and I was trying to see days of the week in that clusterfuck, so I got pretty confused.

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At what point should I be concerned about my mature retention rate? I used to be fairly good but lately I've slipped below 90 to about 85%. Is that indicative of a problem with my study methods?

Also I just got this card and did a double-take. I wonder if it's the same verb used for shooting up opiates.

>>72507547
Here you are: http://www.pixiv.net/novel/show.php?id=6590739

I didn't know Portuguese was the only Romance language that used numbered days of the week. If you guys still used the old Portuguese names it would be a lot easier:

lues → Moon → 月
martes → Mars → 火星
mércores → Mercury → 水星
joves → Jupiter → 木星
vernes → Venus → 金星

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What is 方 referring to here? Or is the joke that Yotsuba doesn't know what it means, and is using it in the wrong context?

>>72508813
There are two sisters, the one who chases after her and the strong one. 方 is like how I just used the word "one."

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>>72508813
wait nevermind, he's correcting her in the third panel

why am i so bad at japanese

>>72508813
方 can also mean direction, can it not?

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>>72508307
The more you have to juggle, the lower your retention will get, I think. I too had around 90% until about month 8, but now (month 16) it's around 82% (80% this month). I will remedy this by making word (and kanji) tables to better organize what I know and what I tend to get mixed up.

Also, reading/writing helps, I'm sure I'd have failed plenty more mature ones if I didn't read anything. Might be an indicator that the amount you're reading is not enough to sustain the amount you're learning.

>>72508619
Exactly the problem. All other countries should grovel and accept numbered days as the only true way to name it. I'm fine with adopting Japanese month system if a compromise needed.

>>72508813
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/comparison

>>72509065
>>72509119
This makes a lot more sense. ありがとうございます。

Anyone know a good mmo to meet Japanese friends on? Something that doesn't require a vpn preferably.

>>72509119
>The more you have to juggle, the lower your retention will get, I think. I too had around 90% until about month 8
Shit, I only started 3 months ago.
>Also, reading/writing helps, I'm sure I'd have failed plenty more mature ones if I didn't read anything. Might be an indicator that the amount you're reading is not enough to sustain the amount you're learning.
I'm hoping this is it; I'm currently doing no reading because I'm studying for an unrelated (annual) exam, and the only concession I could make for Japanese was doing my anki reps while commuting to and from work.

So the solution is basically to read more then, fair enough.
Thanks.

>>72509501
I'll bump before I sleep. おやすみ。

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Does anyone have an album for pictures to post in the OP? The only one I have saved is pic related.

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>>72511815
only a couple

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>>72512056

>>72502619
Count of characters in most case

>>72512374
So all the lazy ones write in all kana?

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>>72511815
I've got your back.

>>72512901
even the stuff we write in japanese class has to have kanji or else we get a talking to, so i assume they'll get yelled at in japan

Do you need to be able to write kanji for the JLTP?

>>72512901
>>72513140
If I was a teacher and I was being forced to read an essay written exclusively in kana I'd probably beat my students.

>>72513231
No, it's entirely multiple choice.

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>>72513269
>beat my students.

>>72513018
Anyone ever fuck that aussie's sister? Prime meat there boys.

>>72497222 is better than >>72497633

貴官 is used only for the people who have 官職 government posts
自衛官/裁判官

in the general way, 貴方(anata)/貴公/貴殿/貴君

>>72513668
なんだ、そこかよ
茶化して妙な二人称を使っただけ

>>72513769
先に言ったので合ってるよ。

なんで言い直せ、って言われたんだろうね。
それも冗談の続きだったのかもね。

上官「try again!」

イ・・ イエス、マイ・キャプテン!!

ウェル ダン!

Do you guys mine words from anime?

Is it less efficient than reading?

>>72514591
Also how do you avoid learning awkward/weird sounding words/phrases from reading or anime?

>>72514617
>Also how do you avoid learning awkward/weird sounding words/phrases from reading or anime?
Why would you want to? It's all part of the language. If you mean how do you avoid sounding like a character in conversation well then just wait until someone tells you something you said sounds unnatural and stop saying it.

>>72514732
Well I just imagine it to sound weird, especially maybe to someone older.

Like if a Japanese person tried to use gigidy gigidy like Gaugmire from Family Guy thinking it's common or okay to say.

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>>72511815
Here, have some DJT imagery:
https://my.mixtape.moe/ydpenw.zip
There's 70 images, which really wouldn't be appropriate to spam individual image links so I zipped them in an archive.

>>72514895
>Like if a Japanese person tried to use gigidy gigidy like Gaugmire from Family Guy thinking it's common
It's not even common in Family Guy. The show goes out of its way to emphasis how odd and inappropriate and generally offensive to others Quagmire is. Unless they are on the Autism Spectrum, those sort of things should be rather obvious to your average adult.

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ここ家がいつばいあるな
can someone translate this please?
What does ばい and ある mean here?

>>72515586
いっぱいあるな

>>72515586
koko ie ga ippau aru na
I think it's something like "There are a lot of homes/houses here, right dad?"

>>72515641
>>72515682
thanks

いっぱい is 'many'
ある means be-verb.

What does the "戌" in "ゲ一ム作戌中" mean?
Google translates 戌 alone as dog, but i thought dog was 犬(And it says both are pronounced いぬ). What's the difference?

>>72515819
It's worth noting it's something like an inanimate object being-verb, not a completely generic be-verb.
Now I'm wondering: how many things in japanese are often described as "be-verbs"? I've heard that description about iru,aru, sonzai suru, desu and da. Damn.

>>72515844
作成中

>>72515898
aru is just only a verb in Japanese.
in the first place, i don't understand be-verb correctly.
there is no concept of 'be-verb' in Japan.
I thought that is a sentence of 'there is/are', i just answered so.

>>72515844
Wrong kanji, as >>72515975 said.
戌 is part of a set of kanji that are used in the Chinese zodiac and differ from the normal kanji for that respective animal.
犬 戌年
虎 寅年
竜 辰年
etc

>>72515844
戌 is old kanji. Japanese and Chinese(?) use 犬 as usual. 戌 is used for traditional event and in ancient books.

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>>72516154

>>72515975
>>72516161
>>72516357
Thanks a lot!

ホラゲ好きなんだけど、オススメのゲーム教えてください

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I'm trying to say, "This food my sister made is old, so it became very bad tasting."

この食べ物がお姉さん作ったは古かったのでとてもまずくなってありました。

お姉さんで作ったこの食べ物は古かったのでとてもまずくなってありました。

Which of these is correct, if any?

>>72517413
お姉さんが作ったこの食べ物はもう古くて、とてもまずくなりました

>>72516740
はいよ:
沙耶の唄
素晴らしき日々

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>>72517549
I see. Thanks.

>>72509065
Thank you, that's a really helpful way to look at it.

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>>72515586
Oh man, I'm remembering when I couldn't understand this page at all

Now it seems so simple

>>72494442
If there's that ONE FUCKING CARD that always shows up and for whatever reason you just can't get it right: every single time, then just delete it. You'll feel such relief.

Chances are you will encounter that word in the wild one week later and you'll be able to read it for some reason. That's just the way things work.

>>72517606
ありがとう。調べる。最近はdeceitていうゲームで外人と英語で会話するのが楽しい

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Are there any foreigners who got level 1 on kanken?

It says I've seen all of 3% of the level 1 kanji. Makes me wonder what kind of macabre shit you're expected to know.

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>>72511815

>>72518543
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOJSqfcyJyY

>>72518543
Apparently there's an American weeb that passed it fairly recently.
https://www.fellow-academy.com/fellow/pages/tramaga/backnumber/342.jsp
>非漢字文化圏で育った外国人として、初めて漢字検定1級に合格したブレット・メイヤーさん。日本のアニメが好きで日本語に興味を持ち、独学で学び始めたのが高校生の頃。

>>72518709
He looks Asian.
If he's ethnically Chinese, that doesn't count.

>>72518406
This, I struggle to learn a ton of words, then I talk with my Japanese friend and he'll say them and I'll know exactly what it means instantly. I'll even see the kanji in my head for it.

I used to struggle with 交渉, missed it everytime, and I was in a conversation with some Japanese at a meetup and they were talking about something that was clearly about negotiating but they didn't know the word negotiate in English. Right away 交渉 pops in my head and they were ecstatic.

I've even found words I learn from Anki garner, "how does a beginner even know that word" looks from Japanese.

>>72518543
Youve seen more than 3% of the total amount for L1, 3% is the amount of kanji you know that are only in L1(and L1 is actually the previous one+L1).
You also need to know to differentiate homonims and each kanji's individual readings(including weird readingsss i think) and a bunch of other stuff.

>>72518759
He's a Westerner, check the other videos on his channel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8LWtubhjOU

>>72518709
すげー、日本人でも1級はそうそう取れないよね

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>>72509501
>I've even found words I learn from Anki garner, "how does a beginner even know that word" looks from Japanese.
I'm about 2/5ths the way through core6k and I get that impression about a lot of the shit I'm learning.

Hurr 春分 and 秋分, how often is that gonna come up?
And things like 区役所. What the fuck even is a ward office?

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>>72518406
>just delete it
YES! DO IT! FEED ME YOUR FAILURES.

>>72519325
>how often is that gonna come up?
Seeing core is by word frequency, pretty often.

It's only natural that a newspaper would feature these kinds of words, why do you think the first cards to be learned are the days of the week?

>>72515586
not the original hue that asked, but what's とーちやん supposed to mean?

Google translate gave me nothing.

>>72519456
I can appreciate the ordering system, but I find these particular examples bizarre because, unless the Japanese have holidays which coincide with those dates, the only time I've ever heard the word "Vernal Equinox" is that one episode of the Simpsons where Homer orders a subliminal weight loss audio tape and they send him a vocabulary tape instead that briefly turns him into a sesquipedalian pedant. Also I've never heard of the Autumnal Equinox, though I know there are two.

The ordering seems a little peculiar is all I'm saying. I only just got the word 青年 and I find it hard to believe either equinox crops up as commonly as that.

>>72519760
Why do I always feel like 春分 and 秋分 always pop up in these threads as examples of obscure words right around the equinoxes?

春分 is literally tomorrow.

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Correct my English (*'▽'*)

>>72519760
You wouldn't find Vernal Equinox obscure if it was pronounced shunbun.
Just like how you wouldn't mind saying Springsummerautumnwinter if it was simply shunkashuutou.

These words regarding equinox/solstice definitely appear at least a few times a year, because newspapers announce the coming of holidays, change of seasons, astronomical events and whatnot. So it could probably show up for a few days in a roll on some sort of "next week's calendar".

Not really different from eclipse or meteor shower, which are fairly common concepts.

Funny thing is Equinoxes > Eclipses > Solstices in Core by a large margin between each concept.

>>72519817
Woah! さきおめ、みんな!

>>72493966
I studied Japanese for some time but halted for quite a bit. Got down Katakana and Hiragana, but haven't started Kanji.

Anyone else studying Japanese while learning another language?
I want to start learning some Kanji while maintaining my study in the other language.
Should I just wait until I'm done learning the other language or could I do them together?

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Do you guys keep the default settings for the kanji grid?

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>>72519325
>>72519760
You're going to end up learning a good 30 odd thousand words over the next few years.
There is nothing more obnoxious than a someone going through Core who thinks they are in a good position to make judgement calls on the value of individual words. If you're going to use Core, treat it like your greens when you were a kid: just the shut the fuck up and eat them. They're good for you, even if you like the taste at the moment.
It will seem entirely trivial in a few months.

>>72519873
LWAのシリーズってちょっとつまんないよね
OVAは結構良かったなのに

>>72520091
One has to be you main focus.
I study Japanese 2+ hours a day and French 15 minutes just to keep it fresh.

Maybe you can take it REALLY easy in Japanese if you don't want it to hog your time - stuff like learning 5 new vocab words a day should take you 15~20 minutes reviewing every day.

>>72520185
>treat it like your greens
Anyone else thought of Kanji Grid when reading this?

>>72519873
my first post had typos...

>>72519873
>nineteenth
there's nothing wrong with this, but it's weird to see numbers spelled out.
>I was surprised that my brother has...
That should be "I was surprised that my brother had..." since you're speaking of the past.
>position in a set
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that.
>I wonder if I could do what deserve of it then
"I wonder if I could do something that well when I was his age" is what I think you're going for.
>I often compete it in speed
"I often competed for speed"
>my friend of kindergarten
"my friend in kindergarten"
>I wonder if my brother does like it as well.
"I would wonder if my brother likes it as well."
>but there is a little in Japan
"There are few in Japan"? I actually find that interesting.
>I might as well live in dorms as live alone.
"I would rather live in a dorm than live alone."
>since I'm tired, I finish this.
This is correct, but "Since I'm tired, I'll finish this" would sound more normal in my opinion.

thanks for the letter

>>72519873
Say please at least. Are you Chinese or what?

>>72520185
>>72519325
>>72519456
I mean more for my level of experience they seemed surprised someone knows those words.

I mean really, if I met someone who was learning English, just starting out who was saying things like political policy or national diet, I would be kind of impressed.

>>72520229
>One has to be you main focus.
Yeah, that makes sense. Wouldn't feel right if I sacrificed a part my current study in favor of Japanese. I will probably just add around 30 minutes of separate study time for Japanese and see how that works out.

>>72520229
>I study Japanese 2+ hours a day and French 15 minutes just to keep it fresh.
Pretty sure you're the guy who inspired me to do this as well.

2 hours Anki
30 min French Pimsleur
15-20 min French Duolingo on coffee break.

/djt/ gonna be lingual as fuck.

>>72519325
If you live in Japan, you will probably use a 区役所 at some point

>>72519760
Japanese people are autistic as fuck about seasons. They are convinced they are the only country in the world with four distinct seasons. "Does your country have four seasons?" is a very common question here.

It's not even true. Kyushu flips between winter and summer like a light switch.

In any case, seasonal words pop up a lot. Speeches are prefaced by mentioning the changing of seasons, haiku has to mention seasons as a rule (unlike in English), passages/questions about seasons will almost certainly pop up on JLPT exams.

In short: know your seasons.

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>>72520216
映画はかなり面白かったね
たしかにアニメシリーズはキャラクターと世界観が好きじゃないと楽しめないかも＼( 'ω')/
>>72520351
Thank you!(°▽°) I have kept a daily in English since a week ago and I have posted it this thread!(^人^)
>>72520378
Wow Did I seem Chinese?
No. I'm Japanese. But is that such a big deal?

>>72521485
You surely seemed as rude as a Chinese, Kenji-kun

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>>72521485
Let's see what I can do here

>he can say country name and national flag
Try "He can say the country name and its national flag"
>I was good at multiplication then
Could say "I was good at multiplication back then"
>I often competed for speed with
Try "I often had speed competitions with"
>domitory
Dormitory
>there is a few in Japan
There are few in Japan

>>72521485
そうかもね
世界観は正直斬新でも奇抜でもないし
ダイアナが好きだけど他のキャラクターは可愛くないし
まぁいいか十人十色ってことか

>>72521614
Thanks!(=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ
I correct it!

>>72521687
だね 好きなアニメ教えてよ＼( 'ω')/

>>72521747
いいよ
結城友奈は勇者であるとか
新世界よりとか
フリップフラッパーズとか
お前の好きなアニメは?

>>72513769
> なんだ、そこかよ
ここで敬語を聞くのは間違い
敬語の話してるのにその言い方は悪すぎる。

>>72521554
プロクシなの?

>>72521894
新世界よりは見たよ 小説も読んだことある
花咲くいろは taritari 氷菓 日常 物語シリーズ とか好きかな(=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ

なぜKenji君なのだろうな・・・

>>72522577
小説はどうかな?
興味あるけどアニメを見た後に小説を読むのはちょっとね
逆の方がいい、普通に
物語シリーズはすっごく好きだよ、でも氷菓と日常は悪くないだけ

>そんなご大層なもんじゃない
What is もん? 物?

>>72522677
やれやれだよまったく(ｰ ｰ;)
>>72522817
原作が小説の場合は読むに越したことないよ、アニメは制作の都合もあって原作に完璧には忠実じゃないからね＼( 'ω')/
物語シリーズの原作も小説でアニメ化されたとこまでは読んだよ。アニメセカンドシーズンは特に制作の都合で省かれてるところが多いから深く理解したいなら読むことを勧めるよ(=ﾟωﾟ)ﾉ

>>72523043
"もん"と"物"は同じです。
пoвceднeвнaя・・・もん
нopмaльный・・・物

>>72523090
オレらでいう「やめろよ、ジョン」みたいなモンか

If you are a teacher, how rude is it to refer to yourself as a 先生?
Should you always use 教師 instead?

>>72523090
それはそうだけど、俺は日本語で読むのが遅いよ
物語シリーズを読みたくないわけではないけど、読んだらいっぱいの時間がかかる
だから優先順位をつけてまだ知らない話から読む
でもいつか大好きなアニメの原作を読みたいなー

>>72523586
自分で自分を「Mr,名前」と呼ぶのと同じようなものなのでは。

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>徐ろに
suddenly; abruptly; deliberately; slowly; gently
>all the jap dictionaries i read say 'suddenly' and 'abruptly' are a joke to fool the 白豚

>>72523680
そんなことないよバカなの?
先生なら「わからないことがあるなら先生に聞いてね~」とかを言っても不思議じゃないよね
でも英語に「Feel free to ask Mr 自分の名前 if there's something you don't get」なんて言えるわけ無いだろうバカだねお前は

>>72523768
?

>>72521614
Please don't post Danganronpa you're only going to fuel the flames of hype inside of me

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When would you use 扉 instead of 戸?

>>72523917
I envy you. I can't bring myself to care about that game anymore ever since I accidentally read an unmarked spoiler.

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>>72523917
I really wouldn't get so hyped if I were you.
Japanese people despised the ending, myself included
But it's ダンガンロンパ you know it has shit endings.

>>72520164
I feel like I'm cheating when I lower the strong interval.

>>72523586
If you want to tell someone what your job is, you should say either 教師 or 学校の先生, the latter especially if you're talking to a child. If you're talking to your students and are referring to yourself, it's not uncommon to call yourself 先生.

>>72523747

I'm not familiar with that word yet, but it seems similar to racking my brain over 適当.

TRAIN TRAIN I RABU MAI STATION

>>72523768
> 自分の名前
日本語では自分のことを名前で呼ばない

>>72523963
Don't worry senpai, I feel you. I was really hyped for the release of The Nonary Games next Friday when I accidentally read a spoiler about the true nature of the main villain. Thankfully I have been evading that fucking game since the plague, including un subscribing from anything Danganronpa related, and deleting my YouTube history.

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>>72524125
You can still enjoy the Zero Escape games despite that spoiler. Especially the 2nd game, it's a wild ride.

>>72524125
At least that's somewhat understandable (if still pretty shitty), since 999 and VLR have been out for years. Great games, though, definitely check them out regardless.

though, there're some exceptions

>>72523768
だから無礼だろそれは。
それは子供相手に礼儀を持たないで接するときの言い方だから。
do you understand 礼儀?

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What made you start learning Japanese?

>>72523226
なるほど笑
>>72523590
たしかにそれは時間かかるね、俺もそうした方が良いと思う
ライトノベルとかだったらまだ読みやすいかもね…でも君はライトノベル好きじゃなさそうだ笑 内容がしっかりしていて分かりやすい変化のあるアニメが好きそうだと思ったんだけど違う?

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>>72524434
I saw videos about Japan, and I just sort of finally said myself "okay, let's learn Japanese" after many years. My university also had Japanese classes, so I signed up.
And video games, too. I don't really watch anime.

>>72524057
This is right (*'ω'*)

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>>72524434
namasensei

>>72524434
When digimon cyber sleuth came out in japan only I snapped
Though I didn't start seriously learning until last year around when the English version was announced

>>72524447
Takeshi って言われたことが2,3回

>>72524447
好きなラノベは好きだよ、イリヤの空とかすかすかとか
内容がしっかりしてるより感じやすくて感情に溢れ出してる感じかな?
笑ったり泣いたり系

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VENDE NOCTURNA

>>72523810
>>72524115
>>72524343
あら日本人は皆ドッMだから罵っても喜ぶだけだと思ったんだけど違うの?

>>72524817
ド・・・ドッM とはなんでしょう

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>>72523941
戸← →扉

>>72525509
that makes sense
thanks

>>72525621
どういたしまして :)

そのようなことは無いと存じます。苦手な分野でいらっしゃいますか?
教師であれば「~」などと話されても不思議ではないと存じますがいかがでしょう。
でも英語では「~」とは言えないものと存じます。少々不要領でいらっしゃいませんか。

>>72525657
生意気な障子が現れた

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>>72526694
しまった..

>>72526709
確かに生意気そうだ。

だが俺には粋な障子にも見える。。

>>72526709
>>72526751
えっちな障子だねぇ… : )

>>72526751
どこか?

>>72527005
調教しよう
>>72527013
庭の風景

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週に何回抜く?

>>72527503
さぁ...無数

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>>72526694
ちょっとエロかな?

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これはユーリさんです。
おはようユーリさん!

>>72524649
This

>>72527503
1週間のうちで、
月曜日はアメリカの豚を見ながら抜く。
火曜日はブリテンのビッチを見ながら抜く。
水曜日はフランスとイギリスのハーフのカナダ人を見ながら抜く。
木曜日はポーランドの天使を見ながら抜く。
金曜日はいつか絶対結婚したいオーストラリアの美人がバックで突かれるのを見て抜く。

Is 2500 kanji the gist of it? are there more?

>>72530502
The gist yes, there are always tons more kanji depending on how literary or technical you want to get with your reading.

>>72524788
> 赤ちゃんことば
母:ママに聞いてね
教師:先生に聞いてね

>>72530765
thanks, but 2500 means you can read most words/sentences, right?

>>72519873
>countryname
>nationalflag
I could be mistaken, but these are separate words.

>>72520351
>>72521485
>I would wonder if my brother...
FUCK I DIDN'T MEANT TO SAY THAT SORRY
you don't need the would. you were right before.

日本語で書けばいいのに

ニッポン語ムズカし、ね

上手 (*ﾟ▽ﾟﾉﾉﾞ

きっとあなたはネイティブ並にしゃべれるようになるよ。

>>72532242
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1490018345649.webm

>>72532490
ww

完璧なまでの洋風イントネーション!

Shit, 15 minutes left to reset, about 20~30 reps to be done, father calls in.
Have an autistic ADHD'd conversation where I'm torn between learning Japanese in English and replying about technical business in Portuguese.
My head hurts, but it worked out.

>>72524095
JIRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRIRI!

>>72526709
Delete this.

>>72530502
2200 joyo. About 3000 if you add in jinmeiyo.
The rest will depend on your niche readings.

Don't worry, anything that is not joyo will most likely come with furigana, so yeah, you are good to go at 2500.

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>>72533505
Your preoccupation with the jinmeiyou list is pure autism. Most of the non-jouyou kanji I run into aren't part of it.

Are there any good beginner readings that work well with Rikaisama for building a mining deck? I'm feeling pretty confident diving into readings now but most of the reading list is manga. I thought about reading Kino's Journey, but I'm not sure if I'm at that level yet (Tae Kim, brushed up on some DOJG, 2500 core6k).

I often hear the past form used as a "present/in progress" form for actions in verbal Japanese. For example:
>来た!
It's coming!
>怒った?
Mad? / Are you angry?
Why is this? For me as a westerner, it makes more sense to say:
>来ている!
or
>怒っている?
How do I wrap my head around this? What's the best way to think about it?

>>72534198
I prefer jinmeiyou to hyougai because they have a fixed list, whereas hyougai is free-for-all, it's impossible to make a goal like that.

>>72534234
Good enough to try, if you ask me.

>>72535587
>来た!
is more like "it's here!" i.e. it has already come
>怒った?
more like "did you become angry?"
>来ている!
This also means "it's here," the action of coming has been completed and the subject now exists in a state of having come
>怒っている?
Have you become angry?
>How do I wrap my head around this? What's the best way to think about it?
Read/listen more until you don't have to rely on translating

>>72535794
thank you

>>72534198
Do Japs really learn 80 kanji since grade 1?
God damn

>>72536397
With some effort i bet you can learn 80 in a week

Is it a good idea to try to play LoL in japanese and make a mining deck from it?

>>72539245
>Is it a good idea to try to play LoL
no

>>72539245
I actually play Lol on the japanese server all the time. Made some good pals and practice everyday speaking with them!
By making a deck do you mean from the quotes?
I find myself repeating them without making a deck, but if you want to do so here is a site I use which has a lot but not all.
http://ja.leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%B3%E3%83%94%E3%82%AA%E3%83%B3%E4%B8%80%E8%A6%A7
セリフはチャンピオンの概要のページに位置です

>>72539245
Nahuel sos vos?

>>72539616
Thanks! I mostly meant stuff like skill/item descriptions/tooltips and some things from the interface(Like "Geemu-chuu" and stuff). Luckily most interface buttons and champion names are in katakana so i can recognize them pretty easily
>>72539701
No soy Nahuel, sorry man

>>72539616
Same guy: This seems really useful(Since i can probably use rikai on it and i think it had a feature to turn stuff into anki cards)

>>72540109
In my personal experience I don't have enough time to read a lot in the middle of a game. So personally I feel like I'm not using my time as efficiently unless I have a friend to talk with. Also the higher ping is hard to get use too, not sure what its like where you are but 140 ping is a struggle. 勉強ガンバ―

>>72540251
If you arent going to switch servers then in that case it's worth if you are going to spend your time playing the game anyways

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>>72524649
>you'll never drink beer on top of the mountain because you're a fucking bitch

you bitch

>mfw namasensei looks old now

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>>72508307
Looks like you're just barely ahead of me, Anon. 頑張ってね!

>>72541430
do you have any recent pictures of him?
>>72540251
As >>72540416 mentioned I'm playing in LAS, I just changed the language(I guess I might try actually playing there sometime).

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>>72541946

>>72535587
This use reminds me of Old Greek aorist forms, look into that maybe.

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>>72493966
I'm planning on moving to Japan. I'm not sure when but I've finally made up my mind that I will go. I'm a freshman at an American uni so my question would be how to get into Japanese university(liberal arts). I'm confident I can learn Japanese fairly quickly as I pick up languages easily so the second question would be regarding the proficiency required. any advice would be well appreciated

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>>72546337
>I'm confident I can learn Japanese fairly quickly as I pick up languages easily so the second question would be regarding the proficiency required.

hahahahahahahhahahahahahahahah

hahahahahahhahahahahah

>>72546337
USA has lots of exchange programs, that shouldn't be a problem. Generally they'll require English only. N3 if you intend going for a Master's degree, I believe.

Your main concern is your area of study - STEM has priority.

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>>72546337
Don't you guys enter uni at 17 or something over there?
>my question would be how to get into Japanese university(liberal arts)
Exchange programs, if your university has any sister city universities which run such programmes or scholarships like the following:
http://www.studyjapan.go.jp/en/toj_stope.html
http://www.studyjapan.go.jp/en/toj/toj0302e.html
Spend some time reading over everything and don't be afraid to make a few calls/emails to get more information from places like embassies and what not.

>>72546337
>liberal arts
>I'm confident I can learn Japanese fairly quickly

これはベートです

>>72547123
Fuck off idiot.

>>72547162
no

>>72547162
no, YOU fuck off

he is right
the guy is a fucking moron and can't even research a simple thing like ''how to study in japan'' through exchange programmes

Feeding information to others is bad
you're a fucking nigger for even remotely attempting to help that other retard

go fuck yourself too you disgusting subhuman garbage

What mean phrase どうだろう そうかも?

>>72547772
I'm not sure but i think it's something like:
"Who knows, it might be so"

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>>72546337
>I'm confident I can learn Japanese fairly quickly as I pick up languages easily
You are a fucking dumbass if you legitimately believe this. You'd have to study for at least a year or two before you can even hope to have a chance living in Japan.

>>72547264
Nice display of writing for someone belittling others for their assumed linguistic skills.

>>72546337
>I'm confident I can learn Japanese fairly quickly as I pick up languages easily
That's what I thought as well, but then I started learning Japanese.

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>>72541946
>more than 20 new cards per day
>more than 100 reviews
I am at 20 new cards per day and never go above 90 reviews. Which usually takes me about an hour every day. Life sucks being a brainlet.

>>72541946
>>72508307
I thought 2k/6k cards were the other way around(Like complete the missing word exercises). Does it change at some point?

>>72546337
You might be good at picking up languages, but the sheer amount of kanji you need to learn will most likely take you a long time, if not by the difficulty, simply because of the quantity.
I consider myself good at learning languages and i haven't even been able to begin actual study(reading/writing) after months of japanese study(Trying to read something and looking up kanji constantly really frustrates me). Im confident once i can read stuff I'll be able to learn grammar and understand most sentences rather easily, but it's useless if i can't even read.

>>72523586
教師 is not 先生.
先生 is an honorific title originally.
ex). 山田先生, Toriyama Akira先生, Albert Einstein先生