Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1825.5

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/balt/

dead thread

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>>72380962
Hello. Don't let this thread die again or else.

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/int/は間違いですね

>>72380911
DJT: 1825.5 You Can (Not) Die

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>>72381033
well im not really into weebshit but it is /int/ernational so I'll bump ur gay thread if no one else does

>>72381057
Yes I wish all DJT posters would stay in the same thread, tired of reading 2 threads all the fucking time.

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I miss /a/.

Also, fuck /jp/.

>>72381299
/int/ and /jp/ are equally shit imo

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>>72381455
/jp/ is more pretentious desu

なぜこのスレドはそんあに亡い?

こんばんわ

>>72381177
We should really petition mods to stop tolerating the /jp/ thread like they used to, since it simply created two dead threads (/jp/ DJTers will say their thread isn't dead, but it simply benefits from /jp/ being a slower board).

DJT belongs on /int/ since it's a language learning thread, and if /jp/ DJTers were able to suck off mods enough to have them let the thread exist, then we can suck them off even harder and with better tongue control to force the /jp/ers to come here instead.

>>72382680
Ehhh, I'm divided. On one hand, we get a more active DJT. On the other hand, we get a tsunami of autists and smug cunts coming our way.

>>72382680
>We should really petition mods to stop tolerating the /jp/ thread like they used to

You are a fucking faggot, you got kicked out of /a/, you should know best how it feels and now you wanna do the same to /jp/, cause you personally dislike it?
Sorry anon but you are a stupid bitch.

>>72382988
Yes, I want to spite the /jp/ DJTers because I do hate them so, the smug cunts. But that's beside the point, since the board policy dictates that a language learning thread is /int/ material, and certainly not /jp/ material, unless you use the same mental gymnastics that those same cunts used on /a/ to convince the mods, such as "we learn to translate VNs and comic books, you see it is integral to this board's culture!! :^)"

1984 - george orwell, in japanese
http://blog.livedoor.jp/blackcode/archives/1700656.html
英語で、
http://www.george-orwell.org/1984/0.html

could be a good learning resource?

>>72383154
It's common knowledge that /int/ is blue pol, instead of talking to people all other the world and discussing things seriously 99% of the threads are variants of ">india >designated shitting streets lmao".
/jp/ has quite a few retards yes, but I personally think DJT is better over there than here.

>mental gymnastics
Certainly true for DJT on /a/, it was offtopic and nothing else, but l can't agree that learning Japanese is not otaku culture.

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>>72381535
what makes you say that?

>t. someone who hasn't been to a /jp/ /djt/ thread

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>>72383645
>what makes you say that?
>>>/jp/16717170

>>72381455
数独しろ

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>>72383904
Please, I don't have time to look through that entire thread just to see your point.

>>72383985
The first 50 or so posts say more than I ever could, anon. Is that what you want, beginners screaming ESL at each other over differences of opinions regarding the translation something like 「楽しい日本語」? That's the sort of thing those threads are full of. Is that enjoyable to you?

>>72383472
just grab a yoshimoto banana book or short story. its flows easy enough and you get to read some japanese author

Guy's I'm 125 kanji away from finishing RTK. At my current pace, that's 5 days before I can finally close this book for good.
Thankfully, I will finally be able to start the Core 6k, and I'll add DOJG for good measure.
>>72383904
Oh shit, this conversation is the most autistic thing I've ever read
>>>/jp/16717422
>>>/jp/16717480
>>>/jp/16717506
>>>/jp/16717655
>>>/jp/16717662

>>72384083
That means nothing, anyone could just as easily point to this thread and say the /int/ threads are filled with nothing but insulting /jp/.

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>>72382680
>>72383154
So just to "spite them" you plan to unleash upon /int/'s DJT a flood of elitist spergs and avatarfags?

I think /jp/ is a more on-topic option for DJT, but I'm glad we have options.

>>72383584
Well then you're quite simply biased if the excuse was wrong for /a/ but right for /jp/. Not only that, but /jp/ regulars hate the thread being there. As for /int/ being blue /pol/, it may has some stupid threads, but it also has ALL LANGUAGE LEARNING THREADS, which /pol/ does not have. I swear it's like you /jp/ DJTers have selective deafness. DJT is a language learning thread, it belongs where all other language learning threads are.

>>72384230
I used to dislike the idea of them being here, but making the thread busier and having autists sperg out for not being able to be on /jp/ anymore sounds entertaining. This DJT has gotten way slow over the past couple of weeks and the last one was a DailyEnglishThread more than anything.

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Can we stop complaining about /jp/ and begin learning some Japanese now?

You DO write your vocabulary words 50 times in your notebook, right?

>>72384767
Not 50 times - sometimes mire, sometimes fewer. However many times it takes to remember it.

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>>72384193
That's nice progress man. Should feel good.
Will probably feel weird shifting to vocab after going RTK. So much easier to remember kanji going through that book than it is with vocab. If only it was that easy for everything.

>>72384214
>anyone could just as easily point to this thread and say the /int/ threads are filled with nothing but insulting /jp/.
That's the thing: you really couldn't. Hell, /jp/ is rarely mentioned here at all. On the flipside, those threads on /jp/ really are full of that sort of stuff to the point that you'd have to cherry pick threads to avoid it. If that's what anons enjoy, all the power to them.
The situation appears that in these threads that sort of behaviour is rarely present in these threads and so this rather different set of dynamics between these two particular threads are something that I'll go out on a limb and suggest would be a more negative clash than if they were left as they are now.

If you look at threads and posts like waves at a beach it isn't such a big deal. Some days the swell is small and a decent wave rolls around once in a while. Other days you're constantly getting battered by the breakers on your way to sit out the back and the swell is huge.

Im reading the Tae Kim's guide and I can't understand how this sentence functions

ボブは魚が好きだ

It isn't really explained at all what the が particle does here, and why you add だ
can somebody break this down for me :(

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これは正解だな。

>>72385628
は marks ボブ as the sentence's topic. 魚が can mean specifically fish. The だ is simply a declarative, similar to 'it is'.

As far as I know you can't do ボブは魚は好きだ。 I don't think you can have は twice in the sentence. I believe it's は for generic topics, が for more specific topics.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I'm also new to this.

>>72385628
It's difficult to understand at first, but in Japanese, 好き behaves as an adjective, not a verb. が indicates the subject of the sentence, which isn't always the same as the topic marked by は. If it helps, try seeing 好き as "liked". Literally, the sentence would mean "as for Bob, fish is liked".

>>72385986
Also, you add だ because すき is an adjective, though you can probably get away with not using it since it's usually obvious what you mean.

>>72385628
Suki is an adjective.

Fish is "desirable".
To whom? To Bob.

Desu is the standard verb when there is no other one around, since Japanese is SOV and a complete sentence only ends when a verb shows up.

>>72385818
I see he let you use his PC too!

>>72385628
What >>72386059 said. In Japanese, you need a verb at the end to have a complete sentence. The だ is that ending verb. Of course, だ can be implied.

>>72385818
lmao he said the n-word xD

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Goddamn it this definition is really fucking specific
(And before you go autismo on me, yes, I know what zettai ryouiki is)

>>72385982
iirc you can use は twice in a sentence cause i got marked up on one of my papers from that... that being said, actually using は and が correctly when you get to complicated sentences is very very confusing and its one of the things that you can easily distinguish a native vs nonnative speaker

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>They mistook the そう here as a statement of affirmation because your translator wasn't even aware that と was a quotation marker.
What am I missing? I don't see a と here

>>72387066
Maybe he's referring to a different error by the same tler

>>72387066
It looks like he thinks the line should be interpreted as そうと信じていた, if he thinks "That's what I believed" is the correct translation.

>>72386954
I think you can use は twice if you're comparing, for example "ワインは好きだが、ビールは好きじゃない", which means "I like wine but I don't like beer".

>>72387066
Doesn't the previous line end with と
何々と
そう、信じていた

>>72387262
>>72387407
>>72387618
Yeah the previous line was 誰よりも先に、彼方へ行けると。

>>72387671
What was the translation of that line

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>>72387692

>>72387444
yea you can use は more than once. i was thinking about more longer sentences.. i just checked one of my old papers to make sure

賛成派の主要な意見は原子力発電は火力発電のコストと比べて、とても安価で二原発は二酸化炭素を排出しないので、大気汚染にならないので、環境に優しいことだ。

>>72387066
in this case そう works as yes/yeah/right/so/ or something else
信じていた
I believed (something, who previously mentioned)

>>72387842
Yeah I fucked up and didn't see the previous line.

Thanks everyone.

>>72387856
His translation of the first line is better but he's just being nitpicky about the second one in my opinion.

>>72385628
が makes me feel, he/she doesn't know or no need to say what Bob likes foods but fish.
actually だ is not necessarily.
but words after verbs decide what sentence really want to say
like
ボブは魚が好き *だった*
Bob liked fish
ボブは魚が好き *じゃない*
Bob doesn't like fish
ボブは魚が好き *です*
Bob likes fish (honorific way)
and as you know, you can add any other words.
of course you can say
ボブは魚が好き
it's ok, but it can't see, sentence will continue or not.

>>72384767
I write every word that comes up in anki that isn't stupidly easy by now, maybe several times if it's a new card. It's really just a way to make sure I'm paying attention to what radicals the kanji has and where they go, so my handwriting gets pretty hasty sometimes and a large part of it is probably illegible.

>>72389431
Lang-8, maybe? I don't know, I never used any recommended site yet.

Also, after checking the DJT resource guide, I found a website called Jpopsuki. Is that website even alive anymore? The official twitter hasn't tweeted since 2014.

Bump, please keep the thread alive while I'm off watching animu

Should I set a card as "Good" if I only know what the characters mean but now how to say the word?

>>72390750
it takes like an hour for a thread to archive even during peak posting hours. chill thread won't die

>>72390847
Mark it as Hard, that's what I do when I remember all the radicals in a kanji except for one.

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Correct my English (o´∀`o)

>>72391839
Not saying that you shouldn't post here (Feel free to do so), byt maybe Lang-8 might be a good place to try posting your journal entries?

>>72391978
lang8 recently disabled new regos and are shilling a new site

>>72391839
I will do the whole thing for you, one moment while I rotate it.

>>72392114
>I will do the whole thing for you
無料か

>>72391839
I was excited, I watched videos of 18th MMDCup on Youtube. I'm not familiar with MMDCup, I found out about it (today?). I also discovered Prix Italia (today?) as well (you could also write too here). I think it is beautiful. I encouraged my friend to watch the video. Not to change the subject, I made Okonnomiyaki for lunch. Since I don't cook it was a bit difficult for me to do it. However I have to get used to cooking alone to live alone in the future. Today I didn't have business going out, so I didn't go out, but I want to tomorrow. I had Sushi for dinner. I'm happy since I love sushi.

Umm... I feel that I can't (I have no idea what you are tying to say here). Maybe because I don't want to write about my feelings in detail. I must write (???) to be conrrected by English speaking Anons. This is just for me, writing attractively will lead to better writing. So I'm dedicating to writing tomorrow. Thank you for reading.

In the next post I'll re-write the whole thing as if I had wrote it, so you understand good flow.

>>72384193
Is RTK a good idea?
What does it teach you?
I've been doing kanjidamage and Core2k simultaneously: Is that a bad idea?

When do you guys use the Easy button?
I only use it when i know all onyomis and kunyomis and remember at least 2 words with it(And can write it if its a reverse card)
If i know 1/2 readings and the keyword i use good and hard if just a reading or the keyword

Can I pay in Japanese 7/11 or FamilyMart with a Visa or MasterCard credit card?
If so, is there any minimum amount required for a card payment?

>>72392409
Today I discovered two videos on Youtube, MMDCup and Prix Italia. MMDCUP was [insert something else here], it was exciting. Prix Italia, was beautiful, I liked it so much I encouraged my friend to watch it. Not to change the subject, but I made Okonnomiyaki for lunch. Since I don't cook often, it was a bit hard for me to do. However, I have to get used to cooking so I can on my own in the future. I didn't have business today, so I didn't go out, I want to tomorrow though. I had Sushi for dinner, it made me happy since I love sushi. Umm... I feel that I can't (???). Maybe I don't want to write about my feelings in detail. I must write (???) to be corrected by English speaking Anons. This is for me, writing (???) will lead to better writing. I'm dedicated to writing tomorrow. Thank you for reading!

>>72392620
Woops. I meant to put: "so I can live on my own in the future"

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>>>/jp/16717535
>>>/jp/16717535
>>>/jp/16717585
Wow this is fucked up

>>72392725
Sociopaths, all of em'

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>>72392616
Please respond. I hate using cash but have to carry it each time I'm in Japan.

>>72392997
Your question isn't japanese language learning related, go in the japanese thread on this board or on /jp/'s DJT is you want an answer.

Fuck Anki

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>>72389091
>and a large part of it is probably illegible
Ah, good times...

>>72392616
Why have you not gone to >>>/trv/ ? There's a Japan General specifically for those types of questions.

>>72392997
Basically you have to get over it, most stores in Japan only take cash. I know it's primitive and this is 2017 but 仕方がない

>>72380911
Why is this here? There's one of these on /jp/.
I'm just curious, nothing against you guys.

>>72390847
- Correct pronunciation and meaning right away?
Easy.
- Both correct, but took you several seconds?
Hard
- Correct meaning, but slightly wrong pronunciation? (i.e. ten instead of tei)
Hard or Again
- Any other combination?
Again.

It helps saying your answers out loud before pressing again, you will feel the weight of your incorrectness when you hear the correct pronunciation and feel bad about not pressing Again for it.

>>72392044
WHAAAAT? Shit, I've been procrastinating a new entry for weeks, guess it'll never see the light then.
Maybe freshening things up with a new site might make the website more alive again, at least. Just hope it's not phoneshit, I DON'T HAVE A PHONE, STOP PUSHING INFERIOR MOBILE INTERNET!

>>72392597
Only for loanwords (in katakana) that have the same meaning in English. The word "handoru" (handle), for instance, is not Easy because it means "steering wheel".

>>72392725
Interesting question, I try to see them as separate particles, but always check the translation to see if my inference is correct. Things like "de+mo" are already clicking more naturally, I think of it as "by means of + even if". Same goes to ni+wa, I can't translate it into a single word but I get the particle combo intuitively and could probably translate a sentence using it through other choices of words.

>>72394140
You know what is primitive? Every store having credit card machines to reduce losses when they get robbed. And so people don't have to walk with cash on their pockets and get robbed. Um abraço da macacolândia.

>>72392997
Former part-time conbini cashier here.
You can use these major brand credit cards in any convenience stores in Japan with no restrictions at all. It's totally welcome and even preferable than cash (for me as a cashier)
Taxis, department stores, supermarkets, gas stations, hotels, theatres, drugstores, hospitals etc are the same too.

Keep in mind, on the contrary most fast food restaurants in Japan such as Mcdonald's, Yoshinoya and so on and privately run local ramen shops/ cafes usually refuse credit cards.
The 5% fees for credit card companies must be the reason why I guess.
But you don't have to be that nervous as they are like the only exceptions where you can't pay with cards here.

>>72394353
What was it like? Did you have to say いらっしゃいませ いらっしゃいませ いらっしゃいませ all the time?

kawaii desu konichiwa ochinchin daiski nandaio x3

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Can someone type out the Japanese in the middle?

"私は本物の大三紙の子にあど◯くほど

>>72394384
You say いらっしゃいませ for every single customer to enter the store and ありがとうございました for leaving ones. If you don't do these politely and neatly, both customers and your colleagues see you as a terribly antisocial man with some mental problem.
I'm not lying at all. it's so natural for us to do these and expect these.

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>>72394248
Completely different mindsets. Also, /djt/ is just barely allowed on /jp/. I like to post here instead because there are more resources/help and Japanfriends post here.

>>72394435
It looks like 驚くほど to me

>>72394573
What do you mean by mindsets?

>>72394435
私は本物の大三氏の子におどろくほどよく似ているため その子を殺し私が大三氏の子に化けているのです
Since I looks surprisingly similar to the child of Mr. Daizo, I killed him/her and have been disguising myself as him/ her


It technically is あ but it must be a miswritten お

>>72394652
look*

>>72394652
I thought that might be the case, but it seemed too ridiculous for a hand-written typo like that to be the reason for my confusion.

>>72394302
>I DON'T HAVE A PHONE, STOP PUSHING INFERIOR MOBILE INTERNET!
https://www.bignox.com/

>>72394639
As in we don't particularly go along well together.

I would use >>72384230 as an example, but it is quite biased

>>72394302
>- Correct pronunciation and meaning right away?
>Easy.
I meant to say Good. Goddamit, I always write "Easy" by accident.

>>72394711
God, look at this fucking meme-webpage. No information, just a shitty mobile-oriented slideshow.
Thanks for the resource, though, I'll give it proper attention tomorrow!

親炭な釵、口ケ丁。

>>72394248
>>72394573
Peoples motivations on here for learning japanese are different. They wish to add JLPT results to a resume, perhaps become a translator, or enjoy an increase in salary if it relates to their existing profession(military).
They also might wish to travel and stay in japan for lengthy periods, perhaps secure a wife and settle down.
/jp/ wants to consume native material. They don't want to talk to anybody and JLPT scores are useless as their only measure of success is boolean: Can I comprehend it or not. Travel is far from their minds, let alone any kind of settling down. Hence that thread will always be a little slow, they're actually busy.

https://twitter.com/yaba2_gaijin/status/841516555380772864

What is this guy saying

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>25 days in
Wake me up. Is this why people stick to 20 a day?

>>72395259
Sorry I don't see the problem.

>>72395259
>he thinks this is where it gets hard
You don't know the pain that is coming yet.

>>72395302
Yesterday I had 70 reviews. It's been lower than 50 until last week. Suddenly, 217.

>>72395324
It's just that time where your easy cards come back. If they were easy, they should be no problem.

>>72395182
Of course, if you love VNs but also want to go live in Japan you can visit both threads.

>>72395259
40 new cards a day? Expect it to reach at least 350.

It's doable though if you aren't a pussy

>>72395324
I had 2k reviews a day when doing core 10k

>>72395700
Oh it's actually possible to do the math? How much is it at 100 new cards a day? I did that and reached at least 500.

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pls translate

>>72395872
Muy picante! Lengua del diablo jajajaja

>>72395525
Sure i straddle both, as i dont consider anything fluent to be less than speaking/listening/typing/reading.

>>72395872
you appear to have some "taco chili" flavored peanut snacks made with Okinawan chili peppers

>>72395989
what does the beer mean?

>>72395775
it increases arbitrarily if you do cards every day forever, but in reality it will usually cap out around 8-12x your daily new cards

>>72396038
That it's a snack that goes well with beer.

If I have like 4 days of reviews backed up, is it better to review them all at once or will that cause spikes in my reviews later? (should I finish it in 2 days or something?)

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Congratulate me on my first greens.

>人形に一人前に名前だなんてバカみたいだ
>名前なんて付けちゃ魂が宿っちまうワ 気持ち悪いったら
What is meant in 2 sentence?

>>72396515
抜群!

>>72396719
giving a doll a name like it's a proper person is ridiculous
if you give it a name a soul will begin living in it, it's disgusting I tell you

>>72395766
Were you/are you a NEET? That's the only way I could fathom that even being possible.

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>>72395766
How long does that even take you

>>72396169
Well, since the thread is dead I'll just power through it I guess.

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Can someone translate the name of this book please?

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I learned this language for video games, books and to talk with japanese guys about boobies. I regret nothing

>>72398030
that's chinese
https://www.amazon.cn/%E5%86%8D%E9%80%A0%E9%AD%85%E5%8A%9B%E6%95%85%E4%B9%A1-%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E4%BC%A0%E7%BB%9F%E8%A1%97%E5%8C%BA%E9%87%8D%E7%94%9F%E6%95%85%E4%BA%8B-%E8%A5%BF%E6%9D%91%E5%B9%B8%E5%A4%AB/dp/B0011F6H6Y

>>72398170
my bad, does a Japanese version not exist?

Okay, so I'm going to start trying the kanji. I was thinking of starting with reviewing radicals.

But I don't know how to approach this.

I have a distant unpleasant memory of repititiously writing down Chinese over and over (but this is probably the correct answer), and I'm not a fan of the whole mnemonic thing.

How did you approach this?

How many minutes/hours a day do you spend learning Japanese on average?

>>72398421
I downloaded an anki deck of radicals and started learning their English meanings. I didn't actually care about the meanings, just that I could visually identify them.

I stopped after I learned most of the common radicals - like a quarter of them. Jisho and https://kanjialive.com/214-traditional-kanji-radicals/ helped me understand how radicals change when you put them in different places in kanji.

This really helped me when I started learning the kanji, because I could break kanji into their radicals quickly (that sort of thing is the way I learn best).

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>>72398139

>>72399035
Also, most new kanji would see I would look up what radicals they're made of if I can't tell on my own, using Jisho (again, not actually checking the meanings, just knowing what they look like).

I learn kanji via the Core 10k - by learning words they're included in rather than the kanji themselves (but to be clear, I often look up the individual kanji on Jisho and find out what readings they have/compounds with them).

>>72398787
For me, it's usually like an hour.

>>72398787
I read for an hour maybe more sometimes

>>72394302
What does には mean? I've never fully understood.

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>>72394435

>recognize a kanji without significant issues in Anki
>encounter it in the wild and have no idea what the fuck it is, feel like a retard when I find it in a dictionary
What the hell. Is it because I'm used to seeing kanji in a bigger font, so I don't recognize it immediately when it's smaller?

>>72400837
I had trouble reading kana when I first started looking at it on the computer screen, but soon got used to it.

Kanji with a shitload of strokes is hard to read because it's tiny as fuck on fonts like these.

>>72401128
Yeah, that's probably it, the kanji I tend to not recognize on screen usually has many strokes. Ahh, the pain. I guess the answer is to read more, just like always.

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>go to jisho to check for the stroke order for 載 in 載せる
>載 is 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

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>>72392409
>>72392620
Thank you! I understand good flow!
I painted character of LWA for you (^^)v
But I'm not good at painting (´ω`)since I don't paint often. But Isn't it cute?

「私は魚が好じゃない」

How and where do I put 「食べる」so it would be

"I dont like eating fish"

>>72403312
私は魚((を食べるの))が好きじゃない

>>72403377
thanks nipanon

>>72403377
Can I also say 魚を食べることが好きじゃない? Would that mean the same?

>>72403487
Yep, it's okay, too.

>>72397261
How did it go?
The longer you take, the worse it gets, if you review - say - 500 accumulated cards today and your normal is 200 a day, you will get 300 a day a few times a week for some time before it gets back to you regular schedule. Unless you reduce new cards to counter-balance, but I wouldn't advise doing that.

>>72398421
Learn basic kanji 1nen (80) or radicals (200) and then start doing Anki vocabulary, you will get some recognition patterns from knowing basic kanji and still be able to bruteforce your way into kanji.
You can always rote-study kanji (there was a guy doing it over /jp/, follow the discussion thread on >>>/jp/16720870 ) but that will require some strong determination.

>>72398787
Two - 1 for Anki, 1 for Reading.

>>72399728
人間には足を2本がある。
"Humans have two legs."
Without the "ni", the affirmation sounds less generally speaking, it would be more like "The humans have two legs."
Not sure if there are other applications for this combo, though.

>>72402719
>載 is 1,0000,0000,0000,0000,0000,0000,0000,0000,0000,0000,0000
Fixed for you.

I was told I have 小顔. I'm a dude. Is this good?

>>72404996
>(n) small face ([...]; generally considered attractive)
You're good f a m

> 小顔
praise word

>>72405121
彼女は僕のチンポが欲しですか。

>>72403842
Okay then, can you tell me what role には plays in this song lyrics?
>切なさには名前をつけようか?
Apparently, it means something like "What should I name this heartrending feeling?"

>>72405266
>彼女は僕のチンポが欲しですか。
Shouldn't you use 欲しがる here?

>>72405266
if your tinpo is also small, that is wrong.
theory of relativity is important.

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How to swap to j-j dictionary? Anyone have experience with this, or how to do it with less pain?

>>72405432
I dunno, should I? I can't learn Japanese.

>>72405447
I was also told my dick is small by a Japanese girl but I had to pay her for that.

>>72405487
tell me the dictionary page you want to read.
though I just only hear it kek.

>>72405542
I'm a relative newfag as well, that's why I'm asking, but I read the other day that you use 欲しがる when you speak about desires of someone else, 欲しい is supposed to be for you only.

>>72405542
I see...

well, were her tits big?

>年 会費: 4200 円
>※ シ ス テ ム 利用 料 と し て 別 途 500 円 (税 抜) か か り ま す. ご 了 承 く だ さ い.

Does this 4200jpy include tax or not?

>>72405617
Yes, that's correct, but then again, what he said was a meme, so it probably doesn't matter that it was incorrect.

人間には足が2本ある じゃないの

2本の足が人間にある。
there are two legs at humans.(direct translation)
(humans)→ move to start of sentence 人間に→人間には

>>72405808
Doesn't say

>>72405894
The whole thing is:

>お支払い方法:クレジットカード・コンビニ・ペイジーでお支払い頂けます。
>年会費:4,200円
>※システム利用料として別途500円(税抜)かかります。ご了承ください。

>クレジットカードはお支払い完了後に「会員更新完了メール」が届きます。
>クレジットカード以外でのお支払いの場合はご入金完了から3時間程で「会員更新完了メール」が届きます。
>メールが受信出来ない場合はお問い合わせフォームよりお問い合わせください。

I'm trying to figure out what's the total I have to pay. They don't take foreign credit cards so I need to know the total before I ask someone in Japan to pay it for me.

>>72405941
If it doesn't say I assume it's including tax. So 4200 and 500 + tax if you want to use "the system".

>>72405808
税抜→540円
税込→500円

>>72406040
逆じゃない?

What is your personal rule for は and が?

>>72405617
i think 欲しい also is ok.
the denying form of desiderative is particular.
彼女は僕のチンポが欲しいのでしょうか。
彼女は僕のチンポを欲しがっているのでしょうか。

either 「チンポが欲しい」「チンポを欲しがっている」 is used.

>>72405836
>>72406369
I see, thanks. I assume that the version with 欲しがっている is more formal? Or what is the distinction here?

>>72406118
wait?
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1014885725
消費税込み100円で税抜き…95円 ?

it's too old.. 8% now

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this

>>72406533
I never could understand why USA and Japan just don't give a price with tax included.
As a customer, the only thing I care about is the final price.

>>72406257
Aside from patterns such as "you always use が with 好き," I like to think that は applies to general statements and が to specific things. I'm not sure if it's entirely correct, but so far it works for me.
車は速いです。 - Cars in general are fast.
車が速いです。 - This particular car is fast.
Is this right?

>>72406457
it's a difference between a verb and an adjective.
~たい is often used as a form of a predicate of an adjective.
that is closer to a spoken language directly.
彼女「チンポが欲しい」

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>>72406611
We do that here in India, for everything except restaurant items. Restaurants charge VAT + Service Tax.

>>72406838
>For sale in Goa only
For what purpose?

>>72406860
Honestly I don't know, but I think it's because different states, different tax laws.

Goa is a tourist state so it makes sense alcohol is cheap there.

>>72406611
because tax changes later.
shop's staff are bothered by changing price labels.

>>72406913
That's cool, I didn't realise Goa was a state I thought it was just a city. Hence the confusion.

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>>72406860
The state isn't usually written though, only for food/alcohol products b/c some states are, on average, have more money, others have less money.

Here's an example of pricing for earphones where state doesn't matter.

500円(税抜)→540円払う
500円(税込)→500円払う
there are also many goods with price labels of (税込)

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This card is incorrectly translated, right?

>>72406774
I've only been reading regularly for a couple of months, but to me it feels more like
車は速いです car(s), it's fast
車が速いです the car is fast(er)
The parts in brackets are optional depending on context

I introduced my friend to Rikaisama and its import function so he could make his own Vocabulary deck on Anki but somehow audio is a problem. Everything should be in order, we double checked everything, the audio files do get downloaded yet in the end doesn't play when he goes studying said cards. All other premade decks with audios are working properly of course.

Worth noting I've done this operations many times on Windows, whether on my computer or other people's computers here in DJT and never had troubles making it work. I never owned a MAC and in all honesty my friend isn't very knowledgeable either about his own MAC so we're having a hard time finding the cause of the problem. It's very frustrating.

Anyone went through similar problems? Does anyone know what the source of the problem could be?

>>72407698
Isn't that more or less what I wrote, though? I just didn't write it literally.

it's an issue between は and が again.

は is a postpositional particle for a subject, but が was ancient の once.
therefore a preceding noun is more emphasized.

>>72407667
Not really seeing why.
Would you mind expanding on your judgement?

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>>72405447
>theory of relativity is important.
Love how nippanons tend to express things in English. Relativity, I'm losing my shit here.

すいません、エロ画像とGIF見れるのは、どの板でしたっけ?

>>72408053
I figured the sentence would mean "you were diagnosed with cancer", is it really saying the person is a cancer (to society or something)?

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>>72409345
you cant just only understand.
I just said it.
Why cant you understand except English at all?
even if I talk in serious correct words what's the meaning of that?

>>72409850
No, it is like you thought. It's talking about actual cancer, but the translation is just fine. 宣告 isn't only used as the "sentence" in law. See (1) below:

宣告せん-こく
(1)その人にとって重大な事柄を告げ知らせること。「医者は患者に病名を―した」「破産―」
(2)刑事訴訟法上,裁判長が公判廷で裁判(判決・命令・決定)を告知すること。判決の場合は主文および理由を朗読する

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>>72410088

>>72403842
It went surprisingly well - felt like a usual Anki review despite being four times longer than usual when I checked. Only got a few wrong.

I can see some bumps in my future schedule, particularly with mature ones 29 days from now, but overall it doesn't look too bad (mainly because I'm conservative with "good", so a lot of my cards have weird timings since I press hard a lot).

>>72410166
相対性理論知らないの?

>>72410150
copy and paste lol

ふふ....真理だね
でしょおン?
さっきから話し声多くない?
そおン?
What is おン?

>>72410205
ユダヤ科学なんか知らん

I'm a lazy fuck. Mind sharing some well-written entry-level Japanese manuals with me?

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>>72410305
顔が小さくてもチンコが小さくては意味がない。
相対的に小さいことに意味がある。
これが「相対性理論」だ。

エロ画像とエロGIF見られるのはどの板か教えてください

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>>72410166
よう差別主義者
do you know 馬鹿の一つ覚え?

>>72410382
Well, I guess no one likes lazy fucks. Should search that stuff alone.

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>>72409345
>>72410166
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_relativity

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Anyone notice that some of the characters in Japanese (at least hiragana) is similar to their native language?

(Even though I'm a native English speaker technically because I grew up abroad)

>>72410382
>>72410719
What do you mean by a "manual" exactly?

俺もアジア系の人と一緒に仕事するからわかるけど、
相手が言葉が下手だからといって、すごく見下す日本人がたまにいる。
無能なやつほど言語の壁で相手をいじめてる。
誰もがそいつを心底軽蔑してる。

>>72411141
A book, which describes the rules of Japanese languages.

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>>72410242
What, you thought I was trying to pass that off as written by me? The format is obviously that of a dictionary.

>>72410858
>>72410600
>>72410205
ちょっとだけ席を外したらレスがこんなにもww
そんなに構ってほしいの?

>>72409850
Ah, I see. Since another anon has already touched on this I will give an example:
https://storyof-cancer.info/cancer/survival-rate.html
>ガン宣告=死の宣告
>ガンは死の宣告
https://nursepress.jp/221998
>かつて「がん告知」といえば「死の宣告」と受け止められた
>それは「生きた情報」ではなく「死の宣告」になってしまいます
http://www.news-postseven.com/archives/20140611_260123.html
>17歳で死の宣告受けた末期がん青年
Parallels between the English "death sentence" and the Japanese「死の宣告」can be seen with this usage of 宣告. 診断する is something you will read/hear used a lot with 宣告 due to the nature of cancer/癌・がん.

>>72410088
>>72410858
It was all understood, にっぱんスキ. I enjoyed the turn of phrase due to how it can work on different levels. Don't worry about it, my sense of humour can be pretty lateral and seen as weird by natives at times. It wasn't laughing at you, it was playing with the phrasing in my head.
Have a look at the image I posted, it was tangentially related.

>>72410150
>>72411550
Duders, sorry about all that, I niggered. I read it as "if YOU were declared to be cancer", even when reading over thrice. Thus my confusion.

>>72410197
Nice. Gambatê!

>>72411526
虫を叩く感じ。
虫は人間に近づいてくる。それが最大の攻撃。
なぜなら気持ち悪いからだ。

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>>72411550
yes, thank you.
I also just had a fun time.
even if you thought I am fool, I don't mind much.

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>>72411643
>I read it as "if YOU were declared to be cancer"
Don't worry; if it were posted on 4chan in the context of talking about anons, it most certainly would be saying that. We declare each other as being cancerous on a daily basis, after all.
(＾ν＾)

>>72411897
( ＾ω＾)おっ
cute pupper

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Do my kanji look terrible? Since I've started doing them according to the stroke order, I've made massive improvements, I think. I honestly thought, initially, that Japanese, unlike Chinese, didn't required following the specific stroke order for the writing to look nice, but I was soon to discover that it's not about what others think about your writing, but the fact that doing them in the right order actually made them good-looking.

>>72412039
require*

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>>72411705
かかってこい。

本当に気持ち悪いな・・・
削除レスなんじゃ

>>72410284
That is probably just character's way of speaking

でしょう→でしょおン
そう→そおン

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>>72412354
そんな…
叩きに来ないの?

>>72412487
そうだよーん

I think 宣告 is used only for cancer and a death and a dismissal.

>>72412039
>unlike Chinese
Wait, elaborate on writing hanzi, please.

Your writings looks good, you just have to get more mileage their sizes will stop varying so wildly and you learn to think "inside the box".

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>>72412203
お父さん!喧嘩は止めて下さー

>>72412613
Oh shit, you already posted her.

>>72413004
Well, before trying to follow stroke order, I had seen plenty of videos pointing out how important hanzi stroke order in Chinese is so as to make your writing...well...nice. However, all the Japanese youtubers(westerners from Japan) mentioned that no Japanese would look at you with weird eyes if you just did kanji in whatever order you want. Obviously, even if that were true, my kanji look God-awful without stroke order.

Other than that, not much to say. And thank you, I'm really trying to enclose and even the radicals as well as I can within one kanji.

>>72411227
Tae Kim's Grammar Guide, Japanese the Manga Way, Dictionaries of Japanese Grammar. You can find all of them in the link in the OP (djtguide.neocities.org)

>>72412487
Maybe
でしょおん sounds like "rrright?"

>>72409708
>>72410521
>>>/gif/ だと思う。

>>72412039
it looks like characters written by 2nd grade students of primary school :D

>>72413524
Should I take this as a good thing? I mean I've definitely not had that long a contact with Japanese...on the other hand, I don't have the mind of a freakin' 8 year old...

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>>72412039
Fancy as fuck.
Nah, on a serious note not that bad.
Your 力 radical looks a little stiff.
The 言 radical is a little short compared to strokes on the right, making it appear more closer in height to the 王 radical in words like 理, instead of the full length/height.
The 豕 part of 縁 is out of proportion.
Your 立 radical in 端 looks a little wide.
The ハ part of 末 seem a bit short.
These are things which should clear up in time, though.

It's not remotely as bad as my handwriting. I'll post two photos of written kanji reps next.

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>>72413678
Best lighting I could get.

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>>72413678
Oh, thank you! To my defense, the 言 radical's size was heavily inspired by this handwriting made by a Japanese here of a sentence I made. The same goes for my 縁... That was a bit towards the start of my Japanese studies, therefore it stuck with me.

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>>72414087

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>>72413638
> overwriting
:D
if you write politely more, it would be more beautiful.

>>72414087
Oh my...it's most likely because of lighting, but God-damn it, those are some really crammed kanji.

>>72414154
If I write politely? Is this regarding the "freakin' 8 year old" part? I just wanted to emphasize the idea, was not meant as an insult. However, I'm sorry.
And about overwriting, that was just a slip, the initial stroke looked too crooked.

>>72414300
slip-up* Always making mistakes. Feels awful.

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Since we're comparing writing, you can make fun of my stupid shit if you want. Since writing practice takes such a huge amount of time I've gotten pretty hasty with it lately.

>>72396515
what's this set to? 180 days?

>>72414418
Not gonna insult someone else's handwriting when mine is shit to begin with. When I'll be the queen's scribe, only then will I go about saying how bad other's writing is. Besides that, seeing how much work you put into all those, I can hardly say anything else but good job. Mine were written slowly and carefully and yours were written hastily and still look better.

To be honest I like your 刀 radical though. It's all mine will never be...like, proportionate.

>>72414300
you should write each characters slowly.
after all, practicing one character, other characters also become good-looking more and more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksNfuwmJheY

>>72414418

I wonder how many notebooks I went through in the past with a similar scribbled Kanji mess. Seeing your pic brought back so many tedious memories, lol.

>>72414767
Thank you for the advice, kind anon! I actually do practice them rather slowly, but sometimes it just so happens that I slip my hand while drawing a straight line and it comes out bent out of shape.

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>>72414123
That looks nice but it wouldn't be something I'd enjoy reading extensively.

>>72414188
They're really fucking tiny. My writing is really fucking tiny. Probably something to do social anxiety or whatever, if you are inclined to follow graphology.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/199211/the-lowdown-handwriting-analysis

Had a rummage through some old notepads and found a slip of paper with some characters on it. Really don't know when it written but it is a larger, earlier version of the above posted chicken scratch. Must have been a lot slower. Before I stopped writing out kanji reps I was doing a few hundred I day and writing them out very fast. It became a motor reflex sort of to the point that if I stopped writing a kanji mid character it would cause a moment of confusion because it wasn't really a matter of recalling strokes but instead knowing which chunks were involved and jotting out the chunks. When people talk about stroke count I really wouldn't have half a clue because I never really learned then that way.
Might start practising characters again. My handwriting was somewhat neat when forced to write essays back in schooling, but it's been so long. Did you ever had to write things on the blackboard back in highschool? That was just as terrifying as public speaking for me. The idea of someone watching you write is enough to break into a cold sweat.

>>72414794
When I was going through RTK for some reason instead of normal paper I printed out a stack of grid paper and ended up filling enough pages that I actually stickytaped them all together is a giant grid and rolled it out, completely covering the loungeroom. From memory there were some 90 odd thousand characters written out. It was hilarious and slightly disturbing.

>>72414418
Oh, wait...sorry anon, thought you were the Australian poster. This just feels awkward... God damn it, your flags...

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>>72414418
it is similar to hieroglyph w(ﾟoﾟ)w

>>72415036
you can do it!

>>72415130
Ctrl+F "fuck"
Australians use "fuck" and "fucking" a lot as a common expletive, whereas UK flag posters instead use terms like "love" and "عليه السلام".

>>72415306
I don't think they are that bad yet, most likely they'll use "kurwa" or "pulă" though.

>>72415241
Feeling pumped up now...I feel like I wanna go and fill up a notebook page full of kanji.

>>72415434
Just like my Witcher games!

>>72415514
Well, you know, Geralt kinda resembled an average Englishman.

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>>72414087
>>72414151
Stop wasting so much space!

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死んじゃ駄目!

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reminder to pay attention to pitch accent, not even trying to get it right at all is grating and you make yourself into a stereotype

>>72414429
Interval considered strong? Yeah, 180

>>72420010
>the word for candy is unaccented
How in the fuck does that work.

>>72421708
Japs and anyone defending this bullshit system are mentally retarded, there is no other explanation.

It's IMPOSSIBLE to say a word without placing stress on a syllable. I refuse to accept the concept.

It's either oxytone, paroxytone or proparoxytone. That's the reality I live in.
Unaccented can at best mean "it doesn't matter where you put the accent".

I can't even begin to fathom how that would play out in Mandarim, though.

>>72422077
Something that pisses me off about everyone that mentions pitch accent is that the explanation is always fucking awful. I have never been able to fully understand it.

>>72420010
This is why Spanish has orthographic accents.

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Since we're posting handwriting

>>72423536
The 心 next to 理 is proportioned really well, and I like the 女 radical in 好 and the outer radical in 述べる.

>>72423536
>Emerald of Chivor
>not Rouge Hematite
Questionable taste

>>72423892
Thank you, that's very kind of you to say.

>>72424048
I only own five or six bottles of ink, and I was given EoC as a gift last year. Rouge Hematite looks quite nice as well, but I don't think I'd buy another bottle of sparkling ink for a while.
I'm thinking of getting some purple ink soon, as I just ran out of Eclat de Saphir.

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/ausnz/

>>72420010
or just copy your animays

>>72427309
大丈夫

Since I don't have Rikaisama, what's the easiest way to manually make a mining deck that looks like the ones Rikaisama makes?

@72429064
(you)

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>>72429139
pls answer

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>>72424048
Good lord.

>>72427449
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8e3YIuhxOMk

>>72429064
What is your working environment? Android? iOS? What are you reading where you are wanting to get words from? Light novels in text form, manga scans, web pages, etc.?
Depends entirely on what you are doing as to which would be an easy way to achieve this, with a little bit of setting up.

>>72429258
I use AnkiDroid, I don't even have PC Anki (Since it serves no purpose to me, my PC is garbage and syncing takes way too long to bother with it). I get my words from manga scans for the moment.

>>72429318
>I get my words from manga scans for the moment.
If you haven't already, these two work really well in combination with Ankidroid for mining words:
OCR Manga Reader:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/ocrmangareaderforandroid/files/OCR_Manga_Reader/
Aedict dictionary:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.baka.aedict&hl=en
Once downloaded and the dictionary files are downloaded for each app, then, to make it easier, you will set up a mining deck or vocab deck (if you haven't) in Ankidroid.
Since I'm shit at explaining things, I'll grab my tablet, take a couple of screenshots and put together a little tutorial type thing for mining manga scans with your tablet/phone.

>>72420010
kansai intonation's rules are strict.
that is included in language grammar.

>>72429581
Do I have to read my manga on my cellphone for this to work? Because I read it on my PC.

Also, what do I do if I find a word I want to keep on an anime/light novel?

>>72420010
ya, also a reminder to check out Dogen on youtube for a good comprehensive guide on Japanese pitch accents (also his videos are hilarious)

>>72430011
>Because I read it on my PC.
Wait, hold up. So you read manga on your computer but don't use Anki on your computer? Am I understanding this properly?

>わたくしは騎士のあなたと契約し永遠の忠誠を誓います
>ま...いいけどねメイジの当てないし
What's the meaning of 当てない here?

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>click on a random video on youtube recs
>this comes up
うわああぁ

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is aokigahara a good place to finish myself? im planning a suicide trip, selling everything i got, buy plane ticket to jap, hire a top escort for a night and end myself at aokigahara next day.

is sky view good(i mean light pollution)? any informative letters of people that suicided? im serious btw, dont want to die at this shithole at least.

>>72430212
Yes, I do. The syncing takes too long, so I don't bother with Anki on my PC, while reading without easily being able to switch to Jisho is cumbersome. Not to mention I spend a lot of my time away from home so I just use Anki on my cellphone while I'm on the bus or waiting at a shop or other stuff like that.

>>72430323
>asking people on a japanese learning threas about killing yourself
C'mon.

>>72430377

i got no other place to hear locals' opinions. i dont know japanese. dont expect me to give a shit on such thing as thread format please.

>>72430336
>The syncing takes too long
You could export the deck/collection to your desktop, transfer it to your phone and get Ankidroid to import it.
Also, are you aware of kanjitomo?
http://kanjitomo.net/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfLc0gac3Iw

>>72430266
I have no idea what メイジの当て might refer to, but 当て is probably this:
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/5005/meaning/m0u/%E5%BD%93%E3%81%A6/
Specifically one of the first three definitions. And then the ~ない is just "there is no."

>>72430432
>dont expect me to give a shit on such thing as thread format please.
Fuck off. Just jump in front of a train.

>>72430525

im not that edgy. i use diazepams anyway, just gonna od and sleep peacefully

>>72430590
Don't care.
Fuck off.

>>72430432 (You)
> i got no other place to hear locals' opinions.
Factually wrong, there's the other Japanese thread, with actual japanese people.

>>72430497
I see.
Also, what do I do id I find a word in an anime/LN/website? How do I mine it?

>>72430266
当て(noun) is expectation, anticipation, hope, etc

in this case, that sounds like I have no mage whom I can rely on now./I couldn't get (hire?) any mage as a companion like such.

>>72430697

oh, i thought it was that thread.

thanks

>>72430499
The problem is that I don't see how any of these definitions would be accurate considering the context.

>>72430742
>あてがないし
besides, there are some cases describing there will be nothing people can count on in a while

>>72430808
There's also a separate dictionary entry for 当てない
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/5062/meaning/m0u/
>頼るもののないこと。
I think it's this, judging by what the namefag said.

>>72430742
Would "no other mage" be too far-fetched or is it alright? The knight said this line right after forming a contract with a mage and he actually doesn't know any other mage at the moment.

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is it normal that I memorize random unrelated kanji near instantly on Anki but have the memory of a goldfish when memorizing related stuff?

I powered through some of the assorted kanji instantly, but I had to review shit like 1-10 and 1-10 days and etc for a fucking hour

>>72431028
ah, yes probably. I didn't find the speaker who was not a knight was a mage. I thought she was any class other than a mage and the knight looked for a mage as a companion. that should be 他にメイジの当てないし to be more obvious. even so, yeah that sentence is fine depending on the context.

>わたくしは騎士のあなたと契約し永遠の忠誠を誓います
I hereby form a contract with you, the knight, and pledge my eternal fealty.
>ま...いいけどねメイジの当てないし
Well... That's fine, I guess. I haven't seen any other good prospects as far as mages go, anyway.

>>72430726
Okay, since you're not using rikaisama there is a way you can do it semi-manually.
This offline desktop dictionary program is used:
http://www.tagaini.net/
Use this program to look up words and save them in a list. This list can be exported as a tsv, which can then be direct imported into an Anki deck.
There is an image of this process, give me a minute or two to put it together.

>>72382680
Jesus Christ no.

They're two wildly disparate cultures.

/jp/: Pathetic virgins learning Japanese to play porno games

/int/: Muscular BBCs who have studied the blade, learning Japanese to enjoy masterworks in classical literature and slay that pu$$ in roppongi every night of the week

>>72431333
>>72431338
Ok, got it. Thanks guys.

>>72431422
Is there a difference between that program and Jisho? Looks like it would, at the very least, be more convenient to use.

>>72431505
3DPD.

>>72431614
They're pretty similar, I guess. Jisho is probably a bit easier to use, however it is online whereas Tagaini Jisho is an offline program.

>>72431650
>3DPD
Go back to /jp/ loser

Mods should make a rule that you need at least one main and three side chicks to post here with the big nihongo dogs

シャッターチャンスだよ!

What, exactly, does this mean?

>>72431913
I assume it means "It's your chance to take a picture"?

>>72381535
fucking this

pretentious weebs are the worst kind

>>72431948
I know it says "It's a shutter chance!" or something, but I never saw the word shutter used in such a context.

Unless シャッター means "shot" instead.

>>72431994
Maybe it's an expression?