Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1791

First for linQ

>>69863407
Dele this
Go to 2ch

何かしゃべって、みんな!;＿;

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>>69863407

I'm actually starting to agree with this. Last thread got archived due to inactivity.

What is the point of DJT if JT exists.

>Previous thread was archived before bump limit
Dead

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>>69866472
Then why do you beg for attention only on /int/?

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>>69866563

I offer my service freely. That being said, I would prefer more feedback from my lessons.

>>69866563
You really think the mod would put up with his shit on /jp/?

>>69867560

I've been invited to JP twice. I don't think they will mind.

Yeah guys why don't we move to the containment board for stuck-up NEET pedophiles?

If it comes to that, I would much rather merge with the JT.

namamugi namagome namatamago

Briefly looking at the /jp/ DJT I am reminded of what I disliked about DJT. If it's a choice between /jp/ DJT and /int/ JT I'm staying in /int/.

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>>69868082
>>69869389

And that's saying something, because the JT is such a shit show.

At least they write in Japanese in the /jp/ version though. Gotta give them that.

>>69869602
They usually speak Japanese over in /jp/? Well maybe I just caught it on a bad day.

There's no reason for this thread to not exist. Mods allow it, so keep making it. Pretty much the only ones opposing it is an Aussie and a certain vocal faggot jap who thinks he has some authority here because the Japanese thread was on this board before DJT came here.

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>>69870225

/jp/ DJT is pretty bad. I had a look a couple of days ago.

If anything, it would be a merge with /int/ JT. I reckon there are less than 10 regular posters on /int/ DJT.

>>69870375
There's no reason for this thread to exist either. JT is the same shit as this thread, even the posters overlap for the most part

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>>69866505
>put picture of IRL black man in OP and call it /DJT/

It was a victim of sabotage

>>69870691
Not really. JT is about shitposting in Japanese. DJT is about shitposting to learn Japanese.

>>69870691
The Japanese thread is a massive circlejerk. You've been there during European prime time, surely? The only name or tripfag I see here regularly now is that faggot Aussie that's easily filtered. On their thread, they infest the whole fucking thread during that time. That's good enough of a reason in my book.

Not to mention this is specifically for learning the language, their thread isn't. We also share pirated media here, which the nips there hate and would likely start a shit show if we were to do it in the same manner as we do here.

>>69867349
Here's some feedback: stop.

So the page on the guide website about anki setup links to a core2k/6k deck, but the CoR page lists a "core2k/6k/10k further optimized." Which is better? Should I switch if I started the first one?

日本人を食べたい

>>69872674
From what people have said, a lot of the 6-10k cards are business fluff.
Your call if you want to learn those or switch to a mining deck. You could always suspend the 6-10k cards and then unsuspend them if they come up during reading.

>>69871015
>We also share pirated media, which the nips there hate
Why though? ',:^0

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>キクヒメはいつも俺のおやびんではないの感じ

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>get 2 answers to your lang8 post
>one corrects a bunch of stuff
>the other says everything is perfect

>>69874636
That kind of stuff is hard, mmkay

t. corrector

>>69874335
グーグル翻訳を使わないでください

>>69874636
post it here ;)

>>69874956
I asked someone else here to do it for me. Do you know a better way too translate:
>tfw Kikuhime will never be my oyabin

>>69874335
>>69875550
I'd translate it as 「キクヒメは俺のおやびんになることはないという風の気持ち」, but I'm not quite sure about the ことはない part

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I'm interested in testing my reading speed in Japanese. Google gives me nothing.

Hi guys. Still trucking through キノの旅

「僕はね、たまに自分がどうしようもない、愚かで矮小な奴ではないか?
Is the たまに自分がどうしようもない something like "I'm helpless (as a person)"? Also, what nuance does ではないか? as an ending give?

「そうとしか思えない時があるんだ」 - Is this "there are times when I can't think of anything else"

「とても、愛しく思えるんだよ」 - "I can think dearly"???

「辛いことや悲しいことは、僕が旅をしている以上必ず、行く先々にたくさん転がっているものだと思っている。」
What does 以上 do in this sentence?
Is it something like, "I think that I will definitely meet painful and sad experiences on my travels"?

「それをしているのは楽しいし、例えば人を殺める必要があっても、それを続けたいと思えるしね。」
I'm having trouble understanding the middle part. Is it, "Because doing this is fun, for example, even if I needed to murder someone, I would probably still continue".

>>69879237
Get a text with a fixed number of words or a text you can throw into a Word Processor to count characters.

Then read for X minutes and see how long you get. It's not rocket science.

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>>69882387

>>69882066
if the second one is following the first one continuously, I think like this.

僕はね、たまにそうとしか思えない時があるんだ
as for me, it sometimes happens that I consider so/it/that(そう)

what's (そう)? => 自分がどうしようもない愚かで矮小な奴ではないか (whether or not I'm a fool)

>愛おしく思える
probably, this means I can find it adorable/precious etc...

>以上
this means condition like as long as, provided that, if, when, during etc.

>the last one
just to let me arrange those translated parts

because doing this is fun, not only that, I would never stop even if I had to murder someone in order to do this.

but this might be a terrible hit or a helpless, irrelevant suggestion.

>>69884395
hint*

As experienced learners, what would you say is the hardest part about teaching yourself Japanese?

>>69885767
I'm not an expert at all.

But I have the hardest time figuring out when I can leave particles like na, no and wo out. Sometimes you can even choose, so I'm still not sure what's going on.

is /int/ djt kill?

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It's not funny when it's real.

Daily reminder to give preference to kanji words.

Shit, there will be a power maintenance cut for 4 hours tomorrow (morning) and I need to sleep REALLY bad. I hope I can wake up in time to do my reps, as power will only return after the deadline.

Don't let this thread die again, faggots, oyasumigoodnight.

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俺のちんぽは凄く大きいな、みんな

>>69882066
どうしようもない is a set phrase and I think it works as an adjective artificially.
And in the case of that sentence, 以上 works like a conjunctive particle for example からには.

I think 「それを続けたいと思えるしね」is an expression of ambiguous.
I think that sentence isn't necessarily a result for それをしているのは楽しいし.
"~し、~し" is a sentence for parallel conjunctive particle.
In the story, I guess that a life is compared to a travel.
There is not relation of cause and effect between 旅が楽しいこと and 旅を続けること clearly.
I think that part is depending on translater's point of view a little.

>>69888461
You don't need help.
It is a matter for joy.

>>69885767
For me the hardest part has been speaking. I don't have anyone to practice with, and I have no motivation to look. It's not a skill I need at the moment, but someday I might.

Why is 次 pronounced つに ?

>>69892947
It's not.

>>69893043
Thanks, I'm not losing my mind then. Both the Jisho and Anki audio pronounce it like つに for some reason.

>>69888255
wtf?

私のにほのごは最高です

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Could someone please tell me what this means? She's taking the star woman? 星女受ける What? They're talking about school I think so maybe it's a test or it's like valedictorian or something?

>>69892947
(g) sounds turn nasal in spoken Japanese.

>>69896055
It's the name of the school, probably an admission test or something.

>>69896117
Alright, I thought it might be something like that. Thanks.

>>69896110
sometimes
and still doesn't sound like n

>>69896385
Yeah. It's a mix of n and g sound. We actually have that sound when a word starts with ng (e.g. Ngipin - [Teeth]). I notice that the g sound in Japanese is always normal when the sound is at the start of the word.

>>69896605
>I notice that the g sound in Japanese is always normal when the sound is at the start of the word.

I'm pretty sure that isn't true at least when the word IS something like が (either the particle or "moth")

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>>69892947

Nigga that's つぎ, as in like next.

You got problems if you are are confusing に with ぎ.

>>69897046
see >>69893171

What's the difference between /int/ /djt/ and /jp/ /djt/?

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>>69897635

What do I do when all my friends call me a weeaboo for learning Japanese

>>69897860
Develop self-awareness.

>>69897860
are they wrong? there aren't many other reasons why an american would bother

>>69863293
Is there a way to sort the deck in the guide where it follows the steps?

I remember when I first started years ago it did (or mismatched memory). However right now I'm getting stuff all over the place like 確かめる is in my first 40.

Not implying that some words are intrinsically harder than others but I'm bothered I'm seeing Core 6000 Step 09 - 144.

>>69897860
>friends
?!

>>69897860
Well cause statically you are. Are you learning it so you can better enjoy your hobby (video games, anime, etc..). Then you're a fucking weeaboo because you learned a whole fucking language just for that.

Or do you actually plan to live in Japan or have a job that involves learning Japanese such as an interpreter.

>>69898385
Option to show new cards in order added.

>>69897860
Tell them you need to improve your memory skills.

>>69898456
I'm learning it because after english it's the language I encounter the most on the internet and I want to read it, but I'd be lying if I said it would be nice for anime too. Am I a weeaboo?

>>69898992
>>if I said
if I didn't say

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Katakana #4

Today we will cover タ・ta, チ・chi, ツ・tsu, テ・te, ト・to.

タ is derived from 多い・タ・おおい・many. The タ radical is a simplified pictogram of two pieces of 肉・ニク・meat. Unfortunately this タ radical shares the same pictogram as the 月・つき・crescent moon. Just be aware that タ can refer to meat or moon. 多 is used in many words that involve many things and is similar to the English prefix 'multi-'. 多数決・たすうけつ・majority rule, 多少・たしょう・amount/quantity, 多様・たよう・diverse/varied, 多数・たすう・great number.

チ is derived from 千・セン・ち・thousand. 千 shows a 人・ひと man and two 一・いち one lines, the first representing one and the second representing counting beyond one. Most kanji use the セン reading, but place names like 千島・ちしま・Kurile Islands, will use the kun reading. To remember this kana just remember the チ kanji.

I explained that ツ is derived from 川・かわ・セン・river in a previous lesson when comparing it to シ・shi. The modern on reading of 川 is セン, but the old Chinese reading is /*t.l̥u[n]/, which became ‹tsyhwen› in middle Chinese and is now chuān in modern Pinyin. There is no good mnemonic to remember this kana. It is best to memorise this one by itself.

テ is derived from 天・テン・あまつ・heaven. 天 shows a 大 ・ダイ man with outstretched arms looking up toward 一・ひとつ heaven. Two Japanese words make particular use of 天 including 天気・テンキ・weather and 天国・テンゴク・heaven. Another word you can remember is 天使・テンシ・angel.

ト is derived from 止まれ・とまれう・シ・stop/halt. 止 has two etymological roots, the first is a pictogram of a footprint and the second shows a 足・あし・foot stopping at a 一・ひとつ・line. The easiest way to remember this katakana is to think of トマレ or stop.

以上

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HELP

I've been doing Core6K with fantastic retention up until now, but I just hit a lesson with the following in it:
産業
規則
企業
作業
経営
習慣
経済
経験

Shit all looks the fucking same, they have broadly similar meanings, and I'm just not remembering it at all.
How the fuck do I deal with this?

>>69899380
This is why I never bought the whole "learn kanji while you learn words at the same time" meme.

>>69899380
You can do it!
産 is pronounced the same as in 生産 and carries the same meaning: products.
規則 was a very hard card for me, often had to spend a minute remembering the pronunciation. Later there are words that use 規 so that helps.
作 appears in more words soon, pretty easy.

Anyway, this is a hard section of the deck. You'll remember these eventually.

>>69899862
>This is why
Why?

>>69896055
Perhaps, because there are words of 先生 and 受ける in this conversation, we guess it can be a conversation about an entrance examination.
A girls' school is called as 女子校 in Japanese,
and ○○女子校 is called as ○女 for shorten, and it's pronounced as 'blah-jo'.
Therefore we can guess that word is for example 星蘭女子高校, and so on.
'mom, I decided to sit for an entrance examination of 星蘭女子高校.'

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>>69899380
>>69899862

あかん!

I've explained some of these before, but it seems you are not listening.

業 is 丵 thick grass and 巾 hanging scroll. Literally shows someone advertising their grass/feed (hay) and means business/vocation. You can see this ぎょう・ごう pronunciation evolution from the Chinese Min Nan gia̍p.

産 is from 产 giving birth and 生 a sprout emerging from the ground. Together these mean 産 giving birth/life to something.

企 is 人 a collection of men 止 stopping to think. 企 means scheming or planning.

作 is a 人 man doing something 作 for the first time/suddenly. 作 making, building, producing something.

産業 is giving life to business - industry.

企業 is many men planning to do business - enterprise, corporation.

作業 is doing business with production - manufacturing/operations.

Brute forcing kanji is going to kill retention. You need to understand every radical, every story and how they blend together.

You want to write this shit eventually right? Without knowing the radicals you won't be able to write these kanji.

Everybody is trying to shortcut Japanese, but you are only shooting yourself in the foot. Kanji takes time and without understanding the parts you are only going to hit a wall and lose motivation.

>>69900401
Japanese people can write the kanji without knowing the radicals and stories.

>>69900401
Stories can be distracting if you focus on them too much, so it's probably best to save them for areas of particular difficulty.

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>>69900528

They can't. Your average post college Japanese person can only write about 1000 kanji. Less than 1% even care about the stroke orders.

I'm getting sick of this argument. I spent a year in a Japanese school. I taught Japanese students for 3 years.

Do you have 6 years of 10 hour school days and cram school on weekends? Most Japanese don't even remember large amounts of rarer Kanji after they leave university. They just forget because the Japanese school and education system is busted beyond repair. ROTE is inefficient. It doesn't work. Habits die if you don't keep them up. You are trying to brute force images into your head without adequate connections.

Your brain just isn't equipped to hold onto so many visual patterns. I know over 65000 English words and I still can't spell 'independent' and I still forget words like 'superstition'. How do you think you will fair with blobs of ink? I'll tell you - you won't. You will fail and give up.

Japanese people will write out a single kanji more than 10000 times before it becomes familiar enough to write unconsciously. Do you have time to write out 20 million Kanji? Do you have enough years to learn 2000 different stroke orders? It's dumb. It's inefficient. It's a waste of time.

There are simple rules that govern Kanji. Rules Japanese don't teach because they are Chinese rules. Japanese stubbornness is part of the problem.

We invented algorithms and formulas for a reason; to make life simpler.

Stop being stubborn and listen to reason.

>>69900685

They don't distract. They reinforce.

>>69901249
>I'm getting sick of this argument. I spent a year in a Japanese school. I taught Japanese students for 3 years.
And yet you still have no self awareness.
Fuck off already, obnoxious cunt.

>>69901249
Well I don't have any problem with the words "independent" or "superstition", and I probably haven't even written them 10,000 times in my life, so I guess I'll be fine.

>>69899380
You'll get better as you learn more words with those kanjis.

Both 産 and 業
Both 規 and 則
企
作
Both 経 and 営
Both 習 and 慣
済
験

I've learned several words with all kanji in this pool you pasted, and I don't mix them up at all anymore.

>>69899862
If you focus on what you forget rather than what you remember, you will never learn Japaneeze.

>>69897860
Find better friends

>>69901249
I look up the meaning of every newly encountered radical and learn it if the meaning helps me understand the meaning of the kanji that it appears in. Thus a lot of kanji are more than blobs. Yes many kanji are blobs more or less but I don't see the problem with that. If my goal is to be fluent then I don't think learning radicals stories will help me achieve that goal faster. The stories are often too abstract.
As long as I'm on the same level as a Japanese person it's fine because they have no problem with their language and so neither will I.

>>69901311
I don't think this hostility is warranted. He's posting content that some people may find useful. If you personally don't need his content that doesn't make it a good idea to tell him to fuck off. I only read 5% of his posts but I don't mind.

Hello. Please convince your retarded brethren on /jp/'s /djt/ to return to here.
Thank you.

>>69903075
Hello. Please go fuck yourself.
Thank you.

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>>69901249
>I know over 65000 English words and I still can't spell 'independent' and I still forget words like 'superstition'

I got through the comparisons section of TK but I'm confused about one thing. Does this make sense?

>Xは大好き。Yより高いけど、もっとおいしい。
>I love X. It's not as expensive as Y, but it's tastier.

Is it understood by context that I'm comparing to X? Or do I need to say something like

>Xは大好き。Yより高いけど、Xの方がおいしい。

は and が still screw with me so don't mind those mistakes if there are any ..

>>69905540
translated that wrong, meant to say "It's more expensive than Y"

>>69905540
The former is enough except a part of the reverse of price.

>>69903875
English speakers, how can you memorize spelling of "necessarily"? any means is no good

>>69907801
That's easy. But I hate beginning, millennial and asymmetrically.

As someone who thinks in text rather than concepts/pictures, usually I find it easy to remember how to write stuff correctly, though. Always had a knack for Portuguese since an early age, teachers loved me to the point kids hated me.

Kanji will take some time, I'll rote my way to native recognition then study then carefully so I can grammar nazi in Nippongo as well.

>>69907801
>how can you memorize spelling of
Pattern recognition.
>neccesarily
^ Just looks wrong. I just keep retrying until necessarily comes out and I think "yeah, that looks good."

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>>69900528
loiing
his >>69901249 explaining is absolutely wrong

watch this
http://ameblo.jp/happy2525tkg/entry-11165148231.html

>>69901249
You Are a Liar

>>69905540
X is more expensive than Y, but X is more delicious.
Yより高いけど、(Xの方が)おいしい。

In Japanese, Subjects are often omitted.
The two sentences have the same meaning.
you see?

>>69909916
Fuck you, man, you have never been to Japan like he has, what do you know about Japanese?

>>69910464
i am a native Japanese
bye bye

>>69908673
When you think about it, cc hardly ever says "s". Access, accept, success, occipital. I can't think of a single example which would justify the sound in "neccessary"

>>69910637
皮肉だったと思うよ。

私の膣は性交するください

Is this correct?

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>>69912727
私の膣で性交させてください

>>69910871
That's because you two retards are spelling it wrong.

It's spelled necessary.

>tfw you discover new cute Japanese 女 streamer on twitch and you're the only English speaking nerd there so you get all the gaijin special treatment

she's all mine nerds and i'm never gonna share her

>>69912810
Thank you Ellen.

私の膣はあなたの陰茎を受け入れるためにあるラブトンネルです

oop, really?

Foreign languages like nipponese has so many useful phrases. Sometimes I find myself pausing when speaking my native language because I want to express something that can't really be said in that language, just japanese

Can i add the cards i mine to core6k? How would i go about setting up these fields and not fuck up my deck? Has anyone else done this? If anyone up there can set up a guide for doing this for retards like me, please do so.

>>69914400
Just make a new deck, dude.

>>69914472
What do i do with the remaining cards in core6k? Do you guys just stop reviewing them?

>>69914613
Don't stop reviewing, just don't add any new cards.

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>>69909916
>>69910464

I'm on my phone, but i will make a quick reply. I disagree with that link. The most ancient bronze enscriptions show thick grass and towel/turban, but is also used as hanging scroll.

The thick grass could refer to anything, and now that you mention it, it might even refer to bushels of rice. Maybe business is just a modern word to describe an older practice of service to a Lord or village. I remember the hanging scroll being used in words to do with villages and markets.

In any case, here is the bronze enscriptyion so you can decide for yourself.

70% to fluency in chinese according to anki ;)

>>69918456

You know 30000 hanzi?

>>69917216
ペニスがある

I made this sentence all on my own. It just popped into my head kinda but I don't know if it's fully correct. If I said to a Japanese person would they understand what I was trying to say at least?

日本語を勉強して居ましただか用事物をするはずのがしなかった
I didn't do the errands I should do because I was studying Japanese.

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漢字 is chinese scripts.

>>69919450
> If I said to a Japanese person would they understand what I was trying to say at least?
no

Hmmm... some trouble there..
For example:
だか: not valid grammar, not sure what you were trying to say
用事物: Just 用事, not 物
はず: Wrong to use here, this is used when something is expected to have happened, not when there's something that you should have done but know that you didn't
のが: Wrong grammar in that context, again I don't know what you were trying to say with this

>>69919450
I wonder if it is 日本語の勉強をしていたので、するべきことをしなかった。

> 日本語を勉強して居ましただか ~ のがしなかった
I think this is just not understandable.

>>69919780
>>69919992
Well shit, oh well.

>>69915572
Do you mean not learning the rest of the cards on it or adding cards through mining?
If it's the former. isn't it a pain to change new cards per day every time though?

>>69919913
>だか: not valid grammar, not sure what you were trying to say
Typo, should have been だから

>のが: Wrong grammar in that context, again I don't know what you were trying to say with this
Change the whole thing to a noun to reference the "things that should have been done".

It was a random idea I kind of threw together, just wanted to know if I was onto something.

>>69920389
Just drop the new cards to 0 and start mining a separate deck. After a while your core reviews should go down by a lot.
>isn't it a pain to change new cards per day every time though?
The reviews don't count as new cards though. or did you mean something else?

>>69920609
>Typo, should have been だから
You can't use だ with a verb. Just use していましたから

>Change the whole thing to a noun to reference the "things that should have been done".
That can only be done with verb clauses, はず is not a verb

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>>69920661

Is there a Windows application that can easily select an area and OCR kanji from it? Specifically for reading manga RAWs. It takes forever looking them up normally.

>>69920760
>You can't use だ with a verb. Just use していましたから
This makes sense and sounds better.

>That can only be done with verb clauses, はず is not a verb
I'll have to review that more, thanks.

No ragrets for posting.

>>69919450
to be honest, I don't even figure out how to read that. I have no single piece of clue shit.

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I have a small 珍宝

>>69920923
Yeah, just set that to 0 and keep doing your reviews while mining new words into a new deck.

>>69920939
Found one. If anyone else is curious, Capture2Text seems pretty good.

What's the number one reason I'll probably suck at Japanese and how do I avoid it?

give up learning Japanese

>>69924280
If you aren't retarded and can stick with it then it'll probably be reading speed.

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わあー、今日の暗記はやっとできました。
気持ちいいですねー。

>>69925177
That's good.

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What character is that?

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>>69926500
chestnut

>>69926500
slang for clitoris

without a joke

Are there any Japanese language tiers/levels that I can compare myself to? (besides official tests)

At the moment I feel really lost

>>69927677
What do you mean? How would do that in English?

>>69930431
dunno, I just read this recently http://japaneselevelup.com/what-level-are-you/

>>69927677
If you must really know, chances are that it's low.

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>下げる、下りる、下り、下す、下がる
>all in one anki session
Who thought this was a good idea?

>>69933463
Wait till you get to 覚、起.

But would you rather they blend in to 6000 words separately? It teaches you they are different and to pay attention to them right away.

>>69933463
Sieg Heil

>>69933818
>起きる、起こす、起こる、起こる
Do you mean these retarded things?
If that's the case, i had an easier time memorizing them, than 10x different ways "to go down" .

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I need help. I study japanese everyday and plan on passing the n1 one day. But my parents say they are only going to let me study abroad for 1 year in japan. Im majoring in finance, and i have no idea how the fuck im going to get a finance job in japan, when i never read an actual japanese business textbook. Do you guys have experience in this?

tldr; how easy is it to switch business jobs from american company to japanese company if you are fluent in japanese already?

Oh, and how many american firms are in japan?

>>69934163
You forgot 覚める and 覚ます as well, they are also related to those. Using them in the right context is hard for me. For the ones you mention I believe one is hang down and another take down while another is just 'downhill'. They are still fresh for me but I found wake up harder.

これは個人の意見です。

those things are roughly separated into transitive and intransitive, maybe

.>>69933463
下げる transitive ( can be ommited depending on the context
下りる transitive (the same avove
下す transitive (the same avove

下がる intransitive

下り noun (downhill or something

>>69935101
object can be omitted*

>>69934392
This thread is for language discussion only. You'd be more likely to get relevant advice in the Japanese Thread here on /int/ or the Japan Travel Thread on /trv/.

>>69935101
i cant learn japanese

can ryuko be a boys name? i am planning to make a mnaga and there is this guy who i am thinking about naming ryuko

>>69935101
>下りる transitive (the same avove
下りる is intransitive.

>>69935464
Underage faggot get out

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>>69935101
>>69935468
Thank you for your help.

>>69935468
I see. apparently it's up to cases. however, in a case similar to transitive, it's phrasal verb. e g 坂を下りる go down the hill

>>69899380
>>69900401

So this is the power of RTK and Anki... wow...

Just do writing drills till you remember them, dudes. That's how the nihonjins do it.

>>69935708
here's bad news. in addition to them, I'll introduce 下ろす to you.

ちんことまんこをくっつける

>>69935932
Well yeah, but they're still intransitive. The (場所)を(自動詞) pattern applies to other verbs as well. The を is not making the preceding noun the direct object, but instead just has another function when used like that.
会場を出る
路地裏を通る
街を走る
etc.

>>69936370
>The (場所)を(自動詞) pattern applies to other verbs as well
great. I'll remember it. thank you!

>>69933463
>>69934163
This is why the example sentences (using one of the Core decks, I assume?) are useful. They illustrate the differences.

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>>69937333
Yes, i'm using one of the 2k/6k decks linked in the guide.
I think i'll simply grind them a few times in cram mode until i get them right.

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>>69936696
Here are another couple of examples of this usage of を:
https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/06locationparticles/06locationparticles.html
https://djt.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%82%92%282%29
http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/12734/it-seems-that-%E6%B8%A1%E3%82%8B-is-categorized-as-%E8%87%AA%E5%8B%95%E8%A9%9E-intransitive-verb-yet-it-is-frequently

Fun stuff.

>>69936089
just do WaniKani that's how the motivated non-natives do it.

社会
会社

SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS BULLSHIT
WHAT THE FUCK

>>69938733
Just remember that 会 is かい and you'll be fine

>>69938833
But they're two entirely different words meaning two ENTIRELY different things

what the fuck are the japanese thinking

>>69938855
Just wait until you get to 階段 and 段階 or 腹切 and 切腹

>>69938855
race car
car race
wtf???

I just started the the core 2/6k deck in the guide. HOLY FUCK all the kanji right off the bat. Is it fine to make the card as done when I only understand the word and don't get the sentence at all?

>>69938984
WHY ENGLISH PEOPLE WHY?????

Which dictionaries should I get for Rikaisama?

http://www.polarcloud.com/getrcx/

>>69939096
>memorizing the sentence

what in the fuck are you doing

you memorize the word, its definition, and pronounciation

the sentence is only there for exposure and context. you dont memorize it. what the fuck are you doing

which would you use, /djt/?

おととし
or
いっさくねん


the bottom one sounds more japanese to me

>>69939096
did it start with numbers and stuff?

>>69939391
Never heard the second one. おととし all the way.

>>69939391
I'd use おととし. It sounds more informal and easygoing

>the 音読み sounds more Japanese to me
wat

>>69939282
I am just memorizing the word but am discouraged because I don't understand the sentence, is that normal?

>>69939414
Yes

>>69939449
Yes. It gets better as you advance and learn more grammar

>>69939472
>>69939476
this

also, many example sentences will start to be composed of words you already learned in anki

It happened lads.

I went a day without doing my reps.

We're looking at 400 reviews today.

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>>69939536
k

>>69939428
you're joking right

some japanese accents are clearly more japanese than others. i dont want to speak nigger japanese.

>>69939678
Then you want to speak japanized Chinese?

>>69937691
>「泣く」が「子供に泣かれる」のように受け身に使われたりして、自動詞と他動詞の区別を明確にしにくい面がある
wtf I hate Japanese now

>>69939607
lookin good hon

>>69939607
How long do you spend doing flashcards ever day?

>>69939750
kyoto japanese is good enough for me

probably explains all the chinese immigrants in kyoto, actually

>マンション means "apartment"

what
is this an example of being polite or something

>>69863293
Why is it "Daily" now?

>>69940103
there are quite a few words dumb Japs took wrong. deal with it.

>>69940103
http://www.eikaiwaformyself.jp/eitango2/mansion-apartment.html
http://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/11654/why-arent-%E3%83%9E%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B7%E3%83%A7%E3%83%B3-mansions-or-are-they

>>69940164
>>69940206
i honestly thought it was just a case of japanese trying to make other people feel better by saying they live in a fucking mansion! even though its a shitty apartment

that sounds like something the japanese would do

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>>69940142
As a reference to how change has been historically received in these threads, pic related was used as the thread OP image on /a/ a couple of times and it sparked some of the most autistic fits you've ever seen in textual form outside of the Madoka threads on /a/.
Change it and you'd have anons sperging out for weeks worth of threads. Or maybe those anons went to /jp/ exclusively.

>>69940264
It's about construction as well, a bit of added information if you're into these sort of things:
https://allabout.co.jp/gm/gc/30587/
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-manshon-and-apaato-in-Japanese
The above translation of the Japanese page is good enough for info. I actually had no idea of the difference before looking it up. In Australia I guess we'd call a マンシオン an apartment block and an アパート a block of flats. You'd probably call a マンシオン a condominium block/building in the States, wouldn't you?

>>69940435
>autistic anon used pic related ugly ass OP image just to annoy everyone and then threw the biggest autistic fit you'd ever seen after people told him to fuck off
fixed that for you

>>69940435
thanks for the explanation m8

>>69940466
I guess they didn't all go to /jp/.

>>69940519
>projecting this hard

>>69940142
DJT started out on /a/ originally, there is also a regular /int/ Japanese Thread over here >>69924536

>>69940557
I'm not.

What you have you been reading lately?
Decided to read back through よつばと! over the past two days and I forgot how enjoyable it is. Do you think beginners who have just started reading will get anything out of having a script/wordlist type think like the first two volumes have? The Yotsuba Reading Pack is what I'm referring to, linked in the Guide:
http://livingjapanese.com/pages/reading_packs.html

>>69940674
>I'm not.
Literally anyone who has been in these threads for more than a year knows you are. The fact that you made an off topic rant just to start this conversation to begin with is pretty good evidence too. The person you were replying to clearly just didn't realize this was different than the 日本語スレッド. If you want to pretend to take the high ground, don't start shit to begin with.

>>69940732
Right.

Good talk, kids.

>>69940783
>>69940732
So did all the non shitties go to jp?

>>69940903
>non shitties
>jp

choose one.

>start reading yotsuba
Wow this is really fucking hard.

It's really hard to understand Yotsuba's speech sometimes without the kanji to break it up.

Just gotta pull through and keep reading though, right?

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>>69943040
>Just gotta pull through and keep reading though, right?
right

>>69943040
Yeah I mean sure but you could also just read something else with more kanji. It's not like Yotsuba is a necessary rite of passage it's just something that is easy vocab wise

>>69939189
h-hello

>>69943251
>It's not like Yotsuba is a necessary rite of passage
Yes it is. Everyone must read Yotsuba

>>69943040
Don't waste your time reading fucking comics. What a retarded way to acquire a language.

>>69943272
then what else?

>>69943040
How far are you on anki? I'm considering starting soon too.

>>69943272
What a retarded way to make a post.

>>69943294
>far are you on anki
What do you mean?

>>69943281
material written specifically for adult Japanese learners: textbooks and graded readers.

You can read comics when you stop feeling the need to "pull through" them. If something light and nonsensical is a hassle for you, then you're wasting your time on it.

>>69943328
how many ankis have you?

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>>69919263

You can use the expression 見たいな in this situation.

Like おちんちん見たいな - looks like a penis.

>>69943355
I've been studying for about a month.

I want to look at a penis. おちんちん見たいな。
It looks like a penis おちんちんみたいだ。

おちんちんらしい
と
おちんちんみたい
の違いはなんですか?

>>69943351
>japanese graded readers
Unfortunately I don't own any apple products. Unless you meant another series aside from the white rabbit one.
>textbooks
I've usually heard bad things about them here aside from genki where the opinion seems divided.

>>69943351
Sorry I actually want to learn and read real Japanese. Not Japanese with only certain grammar structures and baby-tier words

>>69943715
調べた方がいいと思うよ、DoJGでとか
せめてこいつらの説明よりはマシのはず

>>69943715
おちんちんらしい:
I hear that is おちんちん.
おちんちんみたい:
It looks like おちんちん.

That is a difference between a situation and an appearance.

>>69943947
マシなはず*

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Though, even if you check it out おちんちん, you would only find a picture like this probably.

>>69944152
おちんちんみたい!

see i am learning

>>69944182
good!
It is an example of the latter.

>>69943259
I dunno man try the Japanese to English one, I think that one might be useful.

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What does the stone on the left represent?

>"upgrade" to lubuntu 16.10
>suddenly anki and mozc no longer function as expected
I should have anticipated this.

>>69944746
おちんちんみたい。

>>69944818
well done!

And I hear that is おちんちん.
それはおちんちんらしい

>>69938733
societyに一対一対応させる日本語として
社会、という造語が作られた。百年前。

>>69944746
ご立派様!まぎれもなくご立派様!ありがたや

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>>69899862
>>69900001
>>69900401
>>69902106
>>69936089
Today was even worse.
死にたい

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>>69943040
>It's really hard to understand Yotsuba's speech sometimes without the kanji to break it up.
Have you tried the previously mentioned Yotsubato Reading Pack, linked here: >>69940674
The person who made them has covered the first two volumes and I am pretty sure they break sentences down and show kanji where よつば uses kana, as well.
The below is something I threw together, from the 3rd volume of よつばと!. Page numbers are listed to the left. Left column is the text as it appears in the manga and the right column is a "kanjified" version of it. Would something like that for the rest of the volume/volumes be of use?

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1HXvY3fBvbKlQkT24VjhGDdi8LnQR4pDjYCAuF-3HTgw/edit?usp=sharing

>>69943746
>Unless you meant another series aside from the white rabbit one.
They're available as hard print copies as well.
At least on jp Amazon.

>>69899862
Same here. Although what I think is good is to space out as you go. So learn the kanji separately but now and then try to apply what you know to reading and compounds. Learn 100 kanji, try reading sentences and you should pick up words from your separate speaking study anyway.

>Learn that 恥 mean shame/embarrassment
>Already know はずかし means shame/embarrassment from speaking/listening
>Read 恥ずかし in a sentence, learn that 恥 is read はin this instance

Any of you guys /fa/ggots that read fashion mags? I'd like to find one for streetwear preferably in the language

>>69948881
sorry, I can't understand because of my less knowledge of English.
What does it mean?

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I don't know much, but I paste this.

>>69948881
>streetwear
This is an 18+ board

は and が are fucking killing me here. Any tips or whatever on when use which?

>>69951635
http://www.japanese-language.aiyori.org/article1.html

>>69945323
Holy shit, that much cramming. Does it even help? After 12 months of reps I finally did it for the first time (last 10 forgotten days) in order to lower my daily reviews but it didn't do shit. The bulk of my mistakes come from mature cards, or cards that are 2~3 weeks away, not missed cards.

>>69952291
Thank you.

>>69863293
Ajimu Najimi best waifu

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Katakana #5

Today we will do a double and cover ナ・na, ニ・ni, ヌ・nu, ネ・ne, ノ・no, and ハ・ha, ヒ・hi, フ・hu, ヘ・he, ホ・ho. And don't get me started on フ, because its not fu. The English F is done by placing the teeth on the bottom lip and blowing air through, while keeping the tongue at the back of the mouth. Fu is not the same as the Japanese フ. フ is done by making a small O with the mouth and keeping the teeth back, not touching the lower lip. It's more of a blowing action, rather then forcing air through the teeth. This distinction will become important in time.

ナ is derived from 奈・いかん・ナ・What?/ Nara (city). It is made up of 大・おお・ダイ・big and 示・しめす・ジ・to show. The ナ is simplified from the 大. It is used in some old kanji, including 奈辺・ナヘン・where and 奈良・ナラ・Nara city.

ニ is derived from 仁・ジン・benevolence/compassion/humanity. It is an ideograph which shows 人・ひと・man being connected to 一 heaven above and 一 earth below, heaven and earth. Or the divine and nature. Best way to remember this kana is to think of the kanji ニ・ふたつ or ニ・ni.

ヌ is derived from 奴・やつ・ド・guy/slave/fellow, specifically the 又・また・ユウ・again radical. The 奴 radical shows a 女・おんあ・woman with her 又 hands clasped at her back or front, much like a servant standing at attention. Modern readings of 奴 don't incorporate the ヌ reading, however a good way to remember this kana is to think of Nu-males, a kind of liberal white knight devoid of masculinity who act like 奴 slaves to liberal agendas and feminism. Try and forget that kana now.

Cont'd.

>>69954374
Wait so ニ actually doesn't come from 二 the numeral to which it is identical? Or do you just mean 仁 preceded them both?

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ネ is derived from 祢・ネ・ancestral shrine. Japanese don't even use 祢 anymore and is a simplified from of 禰, which refers to 'one's deceased father'. Japanese, Chinese and Koreans (and many other Asian societies) include ancestor worship into their faith, which involves setting up shrines in their homes to honour dead family members. One way to remember this kanji is to ネ・ne-ver store dead family members in your house, just put up a ネ shrine instead.

ノ is derived from 乃・の・ノ・possessive particle, which is evolved from 之・シ which you may remember from a few lessons back. 乃 is a pictogram of a pregnant woman with a swollen breasts and belly. If you say ノ to condoms, you will end up with 乃.

ハ is derived from 八・ハチ・eight. The original ideogram for ハ was to divide (now obsolete), and was later borrowed to mean 'eight' due to homonymy. Good way to remember this kana is to think of 八・ハチ, or eight in Japanese.

ヒ was covered before, but I will go through it again briefly. Derived from 比・くらべる・ヒ・to compare, shows to 人・ひと・men juxtaposed, comparing them against each other. To remember this kana、 think of the one guy laughing ヒヒ because the other guy left and now he doesn't need to worry about being compared to anyone anymore.

フ is derived from 不・フ・negative/-non and was originally a pictogram of a flower's calyx (the green bit under the petals that protects the bud before it flowers). To remember this kana just think of フ blowing onto a flower after it has bloomed to spread the seeds in the wind.

ヘ is derived from 部・ブ、-ベ・section/department. 部 is made up of 咅・トウ to spit out and 阝/邑・むら(village) a person kneeling to an authority, who is speaking to them. You can think of ヘ as a little extended roof, where you ヘ・he-lp other people of your 部 section/village.

Cont'd.

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>>69955001

Correct, it isn't derived from ニ numeral. It actually shows a 一 line above and 一 line below 人 mankind, to show man standing between heaven and earth.

仁 was used as the phonetic ニ (ni) in early development of the Japanese language. It later evolved to a shorthand script of ニ (ni) by lazy scholars.

ニ numeral is /*ni[j]-s/ in old Chinese and 仁 is /*njin/. It's just a coincidence that ニ numeral and 仁 turned out to have the same on reading in modern Japanese.

That is the main reason why Japanese has so many homonyms, by radically simplifying Chinese pronunciation and sounds, many subtly different sounding words in Chinese became one sound in Japanese.

This is partly why Japanese has become such an implicit language and why most of Japanese humour revolves around wordplay.

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ホ is derived from from 保・たもつ・ホ・protect/preserve and shows a 人・ひと person protecting a 呆・ホウ baby. Ironically 呆 can mean amazed, disgusted or shocked in Japanese, which I guess are the usually responses to meeting a baby. So, you didn't use a condom and this 乃 happened, now you are thinking ホ・ho-ly shit, how am I going to 保 support this 呆 child.

That's all for today. Tune in tomorrow for another lesson.

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I did a vocab power test but the result is strangely high, a lot higher than my previous tests on similar pages.

Would you mind telling me better places to test my vocab?

http://www.kecl.ntt.co.jp/icl/lirg/resources/goitokusei/goi-test.html

Who I need to fuck to return the DJT to /a/?

>>69961490
Yourself

>>69961490
伝説のスウェーデン式だろうか。

Translate please

もう可愛すぎて愛さえ覚えちゃいます!幸せです!笑

>>69963072
What part don't you understand?

>歯痒い
Man, Core sucks so much ass, I've known "kayui" as a kana word since Core 2k, now they drop in this kanji here out of the blue around the 7k mark.

I wonder how much of the learned vocabulary happens to have kanji in the end.

>>69965648
honestly who cares though like learning the kanji for a word you already know takes no effort and it's arguably even easier then just going straight to the kanji

>>69967691
Woah, that's some really well-written advice, I will take it to heart!

Why do you like killing whales?
Why do you do it in water that doesn't belong to you?

>>69969276
>water that doesn't belong to you?
not belong to you either

>>69939607
yea but he's probably not cheting

>>69970168
>cheting
what?

>>69948881
I'm looking for fashion magazines in Japanese.
>>69951206
Not everyone likes Rick Owens you memer god damn

How flexible is the reading of numbers in Japanese?

For example, can I write 12000 (normally 1万2千) as 12千?

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Is there a good anki deck out there for kun/on readings? is RTK good? I have learned to write about 1500 kanji from there already.

Please translate

この子の下は太っといやつが…

>>69970656
You're doing it wrong

>>69970656
Regardless of how or whether you learn writing the kanji, the readings should be learned through vocab.

>>69970753
What part don't you understand?

>>69971116

Any of it

>>69971228
Cool, figure out how to ask questions properly and give proper context and maybe you'll get a real answer

>>69971059
I'm also learning vocab, 1164 mature and 434 young from core2k/6k. I have read that tae kim recommends learning kun/on through vocab but he's an autistic native speaker, it doesn't click as easily for me. I'll recognise the kanji in a new word, but won't be able to recall the readings to make a good guess.

>>69971453
>tae kim
>native speaker
what?

>it doesn't click as easily for me. I'll recognise the kanji in a new word, but won't be able to recall the readings to make a good guess.

No shit because you only know 1500 words. Just keep going.

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>>69971453
>Tae Kim
>native speaker

>>69970753
this kid's dick is growing bigger
i think
someone please correct me

>>69971616

How about this? この顔で男とか誰得だよ(笑)

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皆様勉強してください!

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>>69972255
やだな

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This is getting really out of hand...

What is the dirtiest word you've learned since starting to study Japanese?

I'm gonna go with 膣分泌液

>>69972982
塵芥

>>69863293
Just came to say: FUCK YOU NISIO.

Is Memrise a good alternative to Anki for vocabulary?

>>69975103
Is making 150 dollars a day a good alternative to making 170 dollars a day?

>>69972982
糞尿愛好症

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>>69975378
>Here's a resource that does X
>wow that's cool but how bout this resource that does the same thing but slightly worse? What do you think about it?

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>>69975480
So I wasn't the only one completely slacking off during the holidays.

心強い

>>69975492
I get your point, dude, just not why you didn't say no, or gave me an explanation of why not.

I get that you hate Memrise, do you have any vocabulary decks that aren't hard on kanji or give you complex sentences from the start?

Hey maybe you guys could help me out? I had to write an introduction for a class I'm taking this semester, could someone proof-read it?

I'm asking mostly for my own reference, to make sure I'm using everything correctly.

初めまして、私の名前はマットです。NOVAに生物学を学んでいる二年生です。
言語学は大好きから、日本語の文法に惹かれました。医療分野には難しい生活のはずです。だから定年になったら日本で英語をおしえたいです。
自分で日本語を一年半くらい勉強しました。でも、正直言って、私の会話力が下手ですよ。このクラスのあと私の日本語の会話力と聞き取りが改良したらいいと思います

どぞうよろしくお願いします。

I'd appreciate it.

>>69975766
Memrise is ok, so is Wanikani and (insert random Japanese learning website)

as long as it gets you studying it's more effective than doing nothing.

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>>69976499
>so is Wanikani

>>69976499
I'm also studying grammar right now, I just want some basic vocabulary so I can actually read and write basic sentences without having to check a dictionary for every word I find once I finish reading this book.

中国や日本などとの貿易で、アメリカはたくさん損をしているなどと言いました。

My translation:
He said that in trade with China and Japan, America has lost a lot.

About right? What does どと mean?

Got banned for 2 days for telling that American shitposter who barged in and said that Japanese is a useless language that won't make you any $$$, that he was a hooknosed kike faggot
Then when the banned expire and I tried to post I got a new 2 day ban for the same post as before

That's 3 bans since coming to this thread (only place I visit on 4chan) about a month ago, first ban was for telling a homophile American who literally only came here to ask for sex with an "Asian twink" that he should kill himself.

Why are the mods on this "imageboard" such cucks? Literally Facebook-tier, 4chan is like a regular forum rather than an imageboard these days.

>>69976956
It's など with the と particle after it. など is similar to とか.

>>69977009
Maybe you should stop replying to obvious baits and report them instead.

Seriously, telling someone to kill themselves is the lowest form of shitpost and should be an insta-ban. I'd rather have redittors in here than kys/cuck/kike posters, they are the cancer killing this place (right now).

>>69976885
I used memrise for a couple months, then moved to anki because the deck I was using felt pretty unstructured. They both pretty much do the same thing, so it doesn't really matter. I found it pretty redundant typing each word in for memrise, but I guess that depends on the deck you pick.

>>69977221
Oh, so it would be like "trade (with countries) like China and Japan"?

>>69977425
Yes.

>>69977333
I used memrise for prefectures.

That was it.

>>69977765
Got it, I'll be sure to stuff that looks like participles in Wiktionary next time