Language thread Nasal edition previous >>69212120

Last thread everyone complained about genders, but Hebrew has the worst:

Gendered numbers (and not just one, every number other than powers of ten)

First for 7 ways to say "cat"

>>69223157
7 different words or just conjugations of the same root? (IE: chat and chatte aren't different words)

I don't know if there's a name for it, but I find it interesting how we (and if I remember some other Slavic languages too) have a different suffix for plural forms of words depending on whether 3/4 or 5+ of items are counted

>3, 4 avti
>5, 6 avtov

>>69223235
Two words, but seven when we include male and female variants. Talked about it in last thread.

>>69223127
>Gendered numbers
wew
Do they all have different genders? Are there rules?

>>69223753
>fuck the francs
agree

>>69223430
Same in Polish

>1 kot
>2, 3, 4 koty
>5+ kotów

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>>69222824
How about we, the people of this thread, create our own conlang?

Like, some real, good shit, you know?

>>69224075
this borad is too normie to know anything about language creation
not a good idea

>>69224337
This is the product of a /conlang/ thread. About half a year ago.

http://pastebin.com/4hvmZhA4

After a while it got very complicated, but it was quite fun 2bh

>>69223856
>2
ueu tip

>>69224075
Conlangs are kinda stupid desu

Btw there's another interesting thing about Slavic numerals. Between 3 and 10 they form rhyming pairs:

>3 - trzy
>4 - cztery

>5 - pięć
>6 - sześć

>7 - siedem
>8 - osiem

>9 - dziewięć
>10 - dziesięć

>>69224820
?

>>69223808
At least you spelled Francs like a real Roman.

>>69222824
what does this map mean

oagnehm grasgrehn oastrichenes gardendörle, gnug gsait

>>69225217
Languages with nasal wovels, I guess.

>>69225202
*Franken, I'm sry

>>69225245
What dialect is that?

>>69224452
I was in that one, shame it died
>>69224075
You have something in mind already?

>>69225411
Well I was thinking more about something more handy. SOmething one can start using very fast, instead of finnish the Grammer and all the exceptions to it.

>>69225487
Also, the idea we already had in the last conlang thread was to create word templates, which kinda resemble arabic.
(At least what I know about Arabic). Anyway, I like the idea of making templates, it makes things much easier.

>>69225664
Sounds good, post some examples

Dialects desu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUt8gAAvgBA

>>69222824
Saluton.

>>69224075
I've always wanted a constructed Germanic language that took roots from all the modern germanic languages that was simple enough for the modern speakers to learn.

>>69226213
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWNObqa7yE4

>>69226670
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYqn3yHp458

>>69225487
>SOmething one can start using very fast, instead of finnish the Grammer and all the exceptions to it.
The problem with making something easy to learn and use is that "easy to learn and use" usually implies making something similar to what you already know, i.e. something very similar to English. And this is a problem because the kind of people who're interested in making conlangs usually like exotic non-European stuff that's hard to get used to.

>>69225664
>Anyway, I like the idea of making templates, it makes things much easier.
I don't see any difference between templates/transfixes and regular prefixes and suffixes, anon. Same thing, derivational affixes are derivational affixes. Templates/Transfixes simply feel exotic because only Semitic languages have them.

>>69225487
Take a look at Toki Pona. I haven't looked much into it, but it's apparently a very minimalist conlang, with only 120 root words. Supposedly, it's quite easy to learn, if not a bit weird.

>>69226466
>what is volkspraak?

>>69223753

>fuck the franks

what did we do?

you do know that it were the normans who LATINIZED english?

>>69228368
>you do know that it were the normans
Of course I know that.
I'm just stupid sometimes and mix you all up.

>>69223433
Well, from 1 to 19 there are two forms. From there, numbers that end with 1-19 have gender

20 is neutral, but 21 is Twenty and one, so you pick the correct form of one.

100 is neutral, but 112 is gendered, 360 is neutral, but 365 is gendered, etc etc.

In practice, we count in feminine because it's the shorter form, and using the wrong number is probably the most common mistake in Hebrew

>>69223127
Eh, gendered numbers are perfectly conceivable: Spanish has them too, for numbers ending in 1: 1 un(o)/una, 21 veintiun(o)/veintiuna, 31 treinta y un(o)/treinta y una, 101 ciento un(o)/ciento una...

Hebrew, however, has gendered VERBS. And it's pervasive all throughout the conjugation, even in the imperative. True of Arabic too. I find that much more surprising.

>>69229763
By "even in the imperative", I mean that the verb conjugation you use to give an order to a woman is different from giving an order to a man.

>>69229797
>>69229763
Gender is rooted very deep into Hebrew, and because our conjugation system isn't based on suffixes and prefixes, it's impossible to make something gender neutral.

>the verb conjugation you use to give an order to a woman is different from giving an order to a man.
Lel i never thought of that in that way

Doesn't matter though cause average Israelis can't fucking use the imperative

>>69229961
>Doesn't matter though cause average Israelis can't fucking use the imperative
I see. Well, I've never studied Hebrew, I just looked up what the verb table looks like and saw gender there as in Arabic. Arabs still use the gendered imperative in Arabic though.

>>69230109
We do have gendered imperative, but the average Israeli pleb uses future tense instead of imperative. It's gotten to the point where sometimes I get funny looks when I use the imperative correctly.

>>69225349
Looks like Swabian

>>69225217
Country???

>>69222824
>"Gangoso" editiom

>>69225105
Neat

>>69230382
yes
t. swabian