>his "speech" doesn't have grammatical gender

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>inanimate objects have genders
>Implying that makes any sense what so ever

I hate hungary now

Is english an uralic language?

>>69212173
> He doesn't understand personification
My condolences.

bunch of gender assuming shitlords

>>69212198
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1482956121915.webm

WE

>nethercucks,dencucks and swecucks are neutered
pottery

>>69212173
i like that movie

>>69212262
Is that a parody?

>>69212120
We actually do use male and female, not common. It's just the Dutch that don't get it

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>>69212120
>No genders in Finnish
>Finnish is le hard language

What the fuck english
Why so non indo-european

>>69212120
gender is useless linguistics-wise

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>>69212315
Nope

>>69212341
Finnish being hard is a meme. It's an agglutinative language. All you have to do is to learn few affixes and you're done.

>>69212387
>>69212262
I wish them well
But for now they're just larpers

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>>69212315
>>69212387
I wish it was

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>>69212120
Good one

>>69212226
>das messer
>die gabel
>der löffel

yea now that you mention it.. arbitrarily giving stupid objects genders to memorize is linguistically stimulating.. poetic really. Tell me, whats the gender for dipshit in your language? Because if its not yours it ought to be.

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>calling a table a she and a banana a he somehow makes things better

>>69212120
>Animate/inanimate
>Masculine/feminine/neuter
Slavic languages use both categories though

>>69212409
Seems like there're hell of a lot affixes. Maybe not hard but definetely not fun to learn.

>>69212262
Can I be a NOOORTHERN brother too?

>>69212423
rude

>>69212262
OUI THE NOOORTHERN BROTHERS

>>69212423
Kek

>>69212426
It's glaringly obvious though
table: belongs in or around the house
banana: dick-shaped

>>69212426
The table is a he, and the banana a she, dumbass.

>>69212533
Both the table and the banana are she, what are you on lad

>>69212421
Is German highly used in Alsace and Lorraine? I could never find any informaation about it

>>69212120
Recently it's been argued that the masculine/feminine genders in romance languages is actually more of an unmarked/marked gender. Meaning that feminine (marked) nouns are actually there to specifically indicate that something is different.

>>69212426
Both are actually masculine tbqh

>>69212698
A city guide in Strasbourg told me it is barely spoken anywhere

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>>69212677
DER TISCH
DIE BANANE

REEEEEE

>>69212793
La mesa
El plátano

>>69212746
Che?

>>69212763
Stupid francophones :)

>>69212793
>der tisch
so you're gay?

>>69212816
>Che?
Exactly what you've read from my comment. It's been argued by some linguists that feminine/masculine act more as an unmarked/marked gender. Just google "unmarked/marked grammatical analysis romance" or something like that and read some papers. I don't have time to explain sorry.

>>69212851
>A Frenchman
>not gay himself

>>69212816
wrong

>>69212120
So, basically - the more complex the language - the poorer the country where it is spoken?

I mean, look at the Baltic Three - the richest by far is Estonia.

There are exeptions such as Germany, Austria and Norway.

>>69212950
So basically, there is no rule?

>>69212120
>English
>no gender system
Let me teach you how a truly no gender system works

>>69212902
A mesa
A banana

>>69212423
Why so damn salty my yuon?

>>69212426
>being autistic about languages

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46ehrFk-gLk

I bet you want us to call unspecified people "they" aswell.
fuck off faggot

>>69212950
The more complex the language, the more untouched culture. The false song of globalism didn't have time to destroy it. Which of course happens where jews can't modernize everything.
Glad to be poor so my language can stay pure and real.

>>69212793
If I said to a German
>Der Katze
Would they go
>Was ist 'Der Katze'? Ich verstehe nicht.

>>69213125
Hebrew is more complicated than croatian bruh.

>>69213174
Hebrew is also a dead language which is just being resurrected.

>speak english
>learning russian
>chairs, objects, rocks, planes all have a gender

This is fucking stupid.

>>69213150
They would understand that you meant "the cat" but it sounds retarded and is gramatically wrong. If you just misused the genders all the time, the language would break apart.

It's hard to find a comparison in English

>>69213174
Sure, Hebrew doesn't have noun cases, nor verb conjugations

>>69212902
at least I don't eat on a masculine object

>>69213150
No. They would either correct you or simply ignore it.

>>69212120
We have all the feminists here on fire because in Spanish we don't have a grammatical neutral gender.

Our neutral gender when speaking about no gender or multigender crowds or things is usually the masculine, so they refuse to use it or they use the feminine.

If we want to say "guys" to a group of people composed of 2 males and 2 females, we by default say "chicos", so feminists, trying to make a point, use "chicas" instead. It's a pretty dumb effort but it would be actually useful to have gender neutral words.

>>69213222
>>69213234
Stage a revolution and just use 'das' for every word

>>69213197
Hebrew is spoken as a first language by most of israelites. It's way beyond the revitalization phase.

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>>69212262
fucking lmao

meme of the month

>>69213257
Fuck off with jewing our language. Take a look at this: >>69213125

>>69213222
It's as if you said "does you wants dinner" instead of "do you want dinner"

>>69213257
>Das Tisch
>Das Gabel
>Das Stuhl

fuck me that sounds retarded

>>69213241
Sounds like France desu. Wannabe feminists who can't be arsed fighting over actual issues (abortion/equal wages etc) prefer to tackle non-existent problems.

>>69213267
You can't measure a big change in a language in increments smaller than 500 years.

>>69213313
Yeah, that's a fairly good comparison.

It just sounds dodgy and weird and wrong if you use the wrong gender

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>>69213241
>mfw I found this out early in my life and I thought it was retarded and wanted a neutral gender
>mfw when as a grown up I like it just because it triggers feminazis

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>>69213295
>Untouched Culture

>>69213241
This was what I was talking about with marked/unmarked>>69212896

Feminine/Masculine is just a "classical" way of defining noun classes in romance languages.

>>69213352
This is simply bullshit. Proto-romance probably developed in a span of 150 years between the 5th and 8th century.

Do you know anything about linguistics at all?

>>69213374
ah yes, anglo news

>>69212341
Came here to post this

>>69212262
>>69212387
>>69212419
>not Swedish or Nordic at all
>those fucking tshirts
Sides are in orbit

>>69213443
Are you German or just a Germanboo?

>>69213374
>Dubbeglas Bierstein
>die Flüchtlingen sind schon in der Pfalz
SAY IT AINT SO

>>69212360
Hush my pet I blessed you with the best language in existence.

>>69213125
>The more complex the language, the more untouched culture

Do you actually believe this?

>>69213430
>langauge falling apart as a dark age dawns
>same as a language of one population slowly changing
Do you?

>>69213586
>"""""""""""""""dark""""""""""""""" ages made languages fall apart
wew, you are an absolute moron

>>69213430
>mfw listening to an 80 years old tango and I can understand every single word perfectly

what are you on about?
surely 150 years is not enough.

>>69212120
Did you just assume my languages gender?

>>69212120
>Common/ Neutral
sounds gay

>>69213627
>you are an absolute moron
Are you tone deaf? Nobody mentioned atheist meme about technology. Between 3rd and 9th century almost all centralization in Europe fell apart and people had to war against various tribes and peoples for their lives. There was no unity and most people lived much more isolated than before. Which actually supports my position that the less wealth and development in a country, its language is richer and less bastardized.

>>69213215
>wahh wahh why do different languages have different rules
mann the fuck up you stupid cunt

Genders are useless in a language.

>>69213639
Not enough for what? Language change is completely unpredictable, latin went from having 3 genders and noun cases to being romance language in less than 2 centuries, yet I can still read Dante's Inferno.

>>69213639
>surely 150 years is not enough.
It was back then. Maybe not now when we have extensive dictionaries and standardised languages that tell us how what is correct and what is not.

>>69212120
>no gender system
The only languages that make sense

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>>69213791
>Genders are useless in a language

>>69213780
>people lived much more isolated than before
Yet in that span of time modern day romance languages developed, greek underwent even more changes then in the 1st century and proto-slavic was about to split into the modern slavic languages.

>>69213883
they really are
I mean what extra meanings do they carry?

>>9213883
I'm pretty sure you are the fedoraman here.
And just what does it matter? I could not care less if you call my chair "en" or "et", I just know that you sound retarded if you call it "et" because I'm not used to that.

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>>69214010
>what extra meanings do they carry?

>>69214039
don't know how I messed that up
>>69213883

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>>69214045
>arguments

>>69214039
Languages isn't designed to be 100% logical. I like my language how it is, no changes need in order to make it more easy for murifags to learn it.

>>69213957
>Slavic tribes dispersed and each developed their own version in isolation
Ok?

Don't know shit about Greek. Honestly, if you're trying to poke holes by trying to find exceptions that really aren't that, stop. It's not a productive conversation.

>>69214010
They mostly provide contextualization.

I hate how Romance and German languages don't really have integrated gender in the words - they need to place the gendered article in front of everything, like if they'd forget what gender the word is otherwise

>>69214099
>no changes needed
I'm not saying that it needs to change at all, and I think forcing the change would be ridiculous as well, but it doesn't change that grammatical gender is pointless.

>>69214109
How?

>>69212419
>>69212387
Lmao the fuck are they doing with these menhirs

>>69214134
Just looking at a langauge how it is today is a distorted perspective.
Genders only make sense when considering how a language has evolved.
Of course Gender seems annoying and irrelevant for semantics, but I'm sure (I'm saying I'm sure because I have no idea about genders actual origin) there is some interesting stuff about the developement of grammatical gender

>>69214157
I'm going to show you a very simple example and then move onto more complicated ones. Take this Italian sentence:

"Vado da una amica" which means "I go to a friend", only that the word friend (amica) has an -a at the end, which means it's referring to a woman, so it means "I go to a friend(feminine)", or "I go to a female friend"

>>69212387
The fuck is that?

>>69214157
It can be used for clarification when talking about multiple subjects at the same time. You can use Der, Die, and Das to refer to different things in German in contrast to just using "it" in English.

>>69214301
>>69214157
Der Moment - moment
Das Moment- momentum/circumstance

One of the more common ambiguos words

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Green: verbs change its forms depending the subjects of the sentences

Red: verbs change its forms depending both the subjects and the objects

Purple: verb doesn't change depending subjects or objects

G*rman / Nipl
Ich liebe / watashi-wa aisuru
du liebst / kimi-wa aisuru
er liebt / aitsu-wa aisuru

>>69212533
Same in Hebrew
We wuz aryans n sheiit

>>69214265
You can have different nouns for differently gendered versions of a human being without including a gramamtical gender, and get the same level of clarification.

"I'm going to a womanfriend" "I'm going to a manfriend"

Those words don't exist in the English language, but they do in Norwegian

"Jeg går til -en- venninne" Going to a female, gramatically -masculine-. Even though you can give it a feminine grammatical gender, it doesn't really add anything.

"Jeg går til -en- venn" Going to a man, masculine gender.

>>69214437
>verbs change its forms depending both the subjects and the objects
Ok, that's just straight up retareded

>>69214265
Yeah sure but most languages have gender specific nouns referring to people or other living things and professions
We just put -nő at the end and it has the same effect

>>69214301
That's a really specific situation but more than nothing I guess

>>69214437
>his language doesn't have verb conjugation that is so complex and stupid that even native speakers get it wrong

Fucking casuals

>>69214437
>Scandinavia in green
?????

>>69214517
Well yes, it's not exactly necessary if you just pay attention.

>>69214437
This map is bullshit. Our verbs don't change at all.

Jeg er
Du er
Han/Hun/Det er
Vi er
Dere er
De er

Get fukd

>>69214664
>>Scandinavia in green
How is that not true?

>>69214437
What yellow means?

>>69214695
We haven't decoded their language sufficiently yet.

>>69214686
Ok I just checked this for the top 10 used words:

http://www.verbix.com/languages/swedish.shtml

I think I should definetely learn a Scandinavian language

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>>69214686

>>69214582
>>his language doesn't have verb conjugation that is so complex and stupid that even native speakers get it wrong
This desu
First time I'm agreeing with Israel ever.

If anyone can speak the language correctly, it's a pleb language

>>69214737
Did u just use the same website as I did here?: >>69214732

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>>69214773
yes

>>69212763
We speak our own alemannic dialect.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alsatian_dialect
The eternal frogs somewhat managed to kill it though.

>>69214517
In my opinion grammatical cases arent so useful in comparison to amount of work needed to remember them, but for users of gender languages its unthinkable to get rid of them. We associate objects with grammatical gender from our native language and even use it in foreign language eg. Have you seen this cat? He's so dirty. Because its "him" in polish. Don't you Hungarians associate animals or items with genders?

>>69214819
Not sure why u had to screenshot this. Maybe you wanted to show me that I used the exact same site for swedish words, which somehow makes it a different site, dno

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>not having 5 genders

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>>69212173
>>69212426
>>69212533
>>69213215

Grammatical gender != Biologically gender

"Gender" is a bad translation and kind of a misnomer.

You should think about "gender" as "noun classes"

>>69214902
but it looks the same

>>69215018
Do you stop working when your gf asks you to bring her bourgognian pommes frites at 4AM?

Gender is one of the most useless grammatical categories, if it's not about living beings, imho

I mean why does table should be feminine or masculine?? Or for Germans: Why should table be feminine and "dochter" (daughter) Neutral???

>>69214676
>>69214664
This book talks about some historical issue, so more accurately saying, green is languages that had ever had the conjunction in these 500 years.

So I guess, Nordic language had the conjunction once and lost it in these several hundreds

>>69215109
>dochter" (daughter) Neutral
Actually daughter is Tochter and it's feminine. I think what you actually wanted to say (what most people use as a prime example for "le gender meme") is "Das Mädchen" (gender neutra) = the girl

>>69215109

they are not actually masculine or feminine
they just share their declension with feminine and masculine people, that's why we call them that

>>69215163
similar in polish
dziewczę - neuter
though the less coloquial form is dziewczyna - feminine

>>69215105
>Frites

No

My gf is not a Catholic

Ew

>>69215163
My mistake, sorry

Lets talk about Slavic languages a bit more.
Most languages I know of have singular and plural. However, we used to have "two-ness", as well. I think only Slovenian has remnants of that still.

>>69215163
It's due to its ending -chen which is always neuter

>>69213241
they are going full retard here replacing vocals with x's

>>69215163
We have one word like that also :
Dziewczę (neutral) poetic, hinting higher status of the speaker from the girl
Dziewczyna (feminine) casual "Girl" word

>>69215163
>>69215229
And we should also note that this is because mädchen is the dimminutive form of magd (or something like that)

Dimminutive is always neuter

>>69215247
'-chen' in German is something like '-chan' in Japanese?
and what is the difference between chen and lein?

Malay does not make use of grammatical gender. There are only a few words that use natural gender; the same word used for he and she is also used for his and her. Most of the words that refer to people (family terms, professions, etc.) have a form that does not distinguish between the sexes. For example, adik can both refer to a younger sibling of either sex. In order to specify the natural gender of a noun, an adjective has to be added: adik lelaki corresponds to "brother" but really means "male younger sibling". There are some words that are gendered. For instance, puteri means "princess" and putera means "prince"; words like these are usually borrowed from other languages (in this case, Sanskrit).

>>69215246
dual.
It's a shame that we lost it
But if we wanted to, we in polish could reintroduce the dual number without any problems
it would fit right in, as it just stopped being used in like 15th century, it didn't transform into other forms, it was just lost

>his "language" has a big percentage of irregular verbs

>>69214874
No we don't

Cases change the meaning of a word, referring to an object with the wrong gender doesn't, it just sounds silly

>>69215316
>'-chen' in German is something like '-chan' in Japanese?
Kind of similar. It functions as the dimunitive and makes nouns "smaller". -lein is quite the same.

>>69215246
Dual case almost died out. I can only think of Slovene as the only remaining living language which keeps it alive. Gothic had it centuries ago, even Latin only featured few traces of it. PIE was said to have it but most langs abandoned it a while later.

>>69215316
Just a reminder that if you were learning German and were thought such comparison of suffixes to make it easier for you to learn, it doesnt necessarily mean that Germans learning Japanese are being taught your suffix the same way

>Japanese
>no plural
>no gender
>no case-conjunction
>no subject-conjunction

>>69215420
I mean I think it sounds silly, I don't know

>having the privilege of differentiating between genders and not having all members of the community work to stay alive
lel soft cunts

>>69215345
Same with cases in Dutch

We could reintroduce them perfectly fine in the southern provinces and Flanders

>>69215365
Depends on what you call a verb irregular. Do they already count as irregular when they feature diphtongization only? If so, Spanish surely has a lot. Sometimes only the 1PS is irregular and underlies phonetic rules (caber -> quepo).

As for German, we only have "sein" as an irregular verb, all the remaining ones underly sets of rules (ablaut).

>>69215345
It'd be a bit of a mess becase most dual forms in Croatian merged with or replaced plural in some places. Realistically, it wouldn't be impossible or that hard to push it back into use (it'd be neat imo), but it would take lots of effort. And there's no reason to.

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>>69215451
>Japanese has a large number of pronouns, differing in use by formality, gender, age, and relative social status of speaker and audience

>>69212120
Gender should only be used in regards to a person. Using maculine and feminine for objects and places is simply retarted

>I eat
>you eat
>he eats <-
>we eat
>you eat
>they eat

English verb's conjunction is very weak
does this 's' survive well now? or is this disapearing?

>>69215642
American is being uncultured and brazen once again.

>>69215420
As already mentioned it does not, it's integral way of thinking for us, though I understand you when you have to learn something not really enriching means you can communicate something to another person (like eg. broad case system in Finno-ugric languages) but still grammatical gender mistakes are perceived as basic mistakes and are easy way to spot a foreigner even if his accent is perfect. I can't advise you nothing else but to read, work on the language and try to do your best.

>>69215134
It used to be like that, but you would have to go back to when it was still considered Old Norse though.

>>69215642
It is not actually gender in the sense of male and female, you understand that, right?

>>69215650
Nigger English already lost conjugations

Seeing how the kids love niggers these day it certainly will die out

Same with the th sound

>>69215246
>>69215345
Was it similar to duplication?
>There is no grammatical plural in Malay. Thus orang may mean either "person" or "people". Plurality is expressed by the context, or the usage of words such as numerals, beberapa "some", or semua "all" that express plurality. In many cases, it simply isn't relevant to the speaker.

Reduplication is commonly used to emphasize plurality. However, reduplication has many other functions. For example, orang-orang means "(all the) people", but orang-orangan means "scarecrow". Similarly, while hati means "heart" or "liver", hati-hati is a verb meaning "to be careful". Also, not all reduplicated words are inherently plural, such as orang-orangan "scarecrow/scarecrows", biri-biri "a/some sheep" and kupu-kupu "butterfly/butterflies". Some reduplication is rhyming rather than exact, as in sayur-mayur "(all sorts of) vegetables".

Distributive affixes derive mass nouns that are effectively plural: pohon "tree", pepohonan "flora, trees"; rumah "house", perumahan "housing, houses"; gunung "mountain", pegunungan "mountain range, mountains".

Quantity words come before the noun: səribu orang "a thousand people", beberapa pegunungan "a series of mountain ranges", beberapa kupu-kupu "some moths".

>>69215775
>th is dying out
it's an evangelion for Japanese

becoming t, f or s?

>>69215650
its functionally important for colloquial contracted phrases, not going away ever
>looks good, sounds like a plan, does it?

>>69215775
complex and evolved language is actually a hallmark of shitty tribal societies. white men need simple efficient morphology

>>69215864
T/D

Dental plosive

>>69215806
no they distinguished singular,plural of 2 objects and plural of many

>>69215879
The least languages with the least grammatical bullshit I know are Afrikaans and Indonesian

Really some of the nicer countries out there

>>69215864
Becoming
This -> dis
Thing -> fing
Doesnt even look good
But idont think it will be introduced to official orthography, only in pronounciation

>>69215246
>>69215426
Slovene and Sorbian

>>69215879
>I'm a redictionist assone and probably a new atheist, btw my sense of humor is nihilistic and wicked

>it's 2016
>luxembourgish still doesn't have a single word for please
quite barbaric desu

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>>69213241
fuck's sake I wish feminsits would leave my language alone
>estudiantes y estudiantas
>presidentes y presidentas

>>69215775
>>69215864
>>69215919
>>69216004
th fronting has been in some english accents for ages

>>69215985
Well you would be wrong, english is the simplest language in the world with the fewest redundancies.

>>69216039
>being poor
>can't into english

>>69215864
no native speaker that doesn't have brain damage uses 'd' to pronounce 'th'

>>69216186
>Alabama
>this post
oh boy.

>>69216004
Why are english so retarded?
Cant they write exactly as they speak? simplifies everything a lot.

>>69216213
>hingrdyngrlund
And you?

>>69216254
t. piydorysz szcz'nbitny

>>69216186
>>>69215985
>Well you would be wrong, english is the simplest language in the world with the fewest redundancies.

???

What are conjugations
What are articles
What is your spelling system

I would also argue that Afrikaans is simpler btw

>No conjugation
>No genders
>No cases
>Phonemic spelling system

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>>69212793
ten banan
ten stół
both are he

>asserting gender
zabij się nietolerancyjna świnio :^)

>>69216302
This to be desu

>>69215365
spanish has a big percentage of irregular verbs you dumb niggertino

>>69216304
also irregular word stress placement

>>69212426
both are feminine.

>>69216304
>a creole of a white mans' language is simpler
no shit, but its not a full language

>>69212793
La table
La banane

>>69216484
>Afrikaans
>A Creole

????

>>69215420
>Cases change the meaning of a word
Prepositions (or postpositions - it doesn't really matter) perform exactly the same function, but in a more rational way. Having multiple declensions pattern is even more meaningless than attaching gender to inanimate objects.

>>69214993
actually we have 6 genders:
>There are three main genders: masculine, feminine and neuter. Masculine nouns are also divided into animate and inanimate (this distinction being relevant in the singular), and personal and non-personal (this distinction being relevant in the plural).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_grammar#Nouns

>>69216302
>>69216365
Apart from diftongs like sz (German sch) cz (German tsch) and dż (German dzsch) One letter in polish corresponds to one sound

>>69216513
Ahaha fucking retard, look it up
>yuropoor education

>>69216564
>Apart from diftongs
It doesn't then, does it?

I'm not really sure what assigning genders arbitrarily to random shit accomplishes

just seems like a bunch of old dumb rules that only idiots want to defend

>>69216571
Afrikaans is a half Creole at best

Plus Afrikaans *is* a white man's language

>>69216564
>>69216304
we can all agree that English has one of the worst spelling systems in the germanic family for foreigners. For native speakers it's a little easier but other than that it's still difficult.

'm just thankful we only have one gender to deal with instead of multiple, complicating things even more

Btw: only gender determined adjective that remains in the English language is blond and blonde, used for men and women, respectively. Thank you france. (most people don't care though so that will probably disappear within the next decade)

>>69216564
I forgot dź (palatal dzsch)
In Polish we use simply more consonants in comparison to other languages, and with those diftongs it looks horrendously.
Szczebrzeszyn (Ščebžešyn) + its hard to learn palatal and alveolar sounds it you dont have them

>>69216658
In Slavic languages at least it makes sense because it's about the suffix

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>tonal languages

sinu - die / toru - take
sina-nai - don't die / tora-nai - don't take
sinde - die and / totte - take and
sinda - died / totta - took
sini kata - how to die / tori kata - how to take
sinou - let's die!

the way of conjunction of Japanese verbs is quite different from Euro's one

>>69216700
Ščebžešin is much easier to read than Szczebrzeszyn (and also easier to write desu)

>>69216711
yup
I speak a gendered language and still, to me Romance genders seem pointless and weird
completely arbitrary and ALWAYS marked by an article

>>69216608
English has a lot more situations where such situation happens: th, ou, ee, oo, ie, aw, ea, uh etc. List continues

>>69212816
>plátano
Banano*

>>69216658
>old dumb rules that only idiots want to defend
defend against what? spanish gender is not going away anytime soon

>>69216776
I cant deny it, historical reasons and at least it makes our language harder but also more interesting (no pseudopatriotism here)

>>69216186
>Well you would be wrong, english is the simplest language in the world with the fewest redundancies.
Well you are definitely wrong.

>>69216793
I know, I was just pointing out Polish isn't a perfect example either.

>>69212120
lmao anglongols

>>69216776
Щeбpeшiн in cyrillic
>>69216845
a common misconception
only major historical writing remnant is ó
our language is far too phonetic that it needs to be
like writing y after sz, cz, ż and i after k, g
these should be reversed because they don't appear reversed anyways, there's no confusion to be had
also, having soft d and t as dź and ć is primitive as fuck

>>69212120
>basque
>animate/inanimate

why live

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>>69216982
>The Basque language is largely gender-free. Most nouns have no gender, though there are different words for females and males in some cases (ama, "mother"; aita, "father"; guraso, "parent"). Some words are differentiated according to gender, like in the English language (akt+oresa, "act+ress"; akt+ore, "act+or"), but they are not the main rule. For animals, there are particles (oil+o, "hen"; oil+ar, "cock"; hartz eme, "female bear"; hartz arra, "male bear") or different words (behi, "cow"; zezen, "bull").

While there are no gender-specific pronouns, Basque verbs can agree allocutively with the gender in the intimate singular second person (this provides no information since the listener already knows the gender): hik dun, "you (female) have it"; hik duk, "you (male) have it". The verb is marked for addressee's gender, if they are intimate singular, whether or not they are referred to in the clause. Non-sexism supporters propose substituting those forms by the more formal ones: zuk duzu "you have it". In earlier stages, the relation between hik and zuk was like that of you and thou in early modern English. Some Basque dialects already avoid hik as too disrespectful.

SJW language

>>69216982
>why live
See
>>69217036


at least they don't speak fr*nch
>du added for no reason
> changing in front of vowels to keep the sound correct
>spelling is absolutely nothing like how it's pronounced

I would know, my last name is L'Hernault

>>69216471
this

finally a civilized language

>>69216982
also in Japanese, we distinguish the verb 'exist' or 'there is' for animate / inanimate

Hito ga iru (there is a person)
Kuma ga iru (there is a bear)
Basu ga iru (there is a bus)

E ga aru (there is a picture)
Kawa ga aru (there is a river)
Shitai ga aru (there is a dead person)

>>69214874
Genders simply make a language richer

>>69212793
se æstel
þæt æcern
daily reminder old english had three gender

>>69215246
>two-ness
Dual*

>>69216962
I haven't heard barely anybody non-slavic who pronounced ć, ś, ź or dź correctly. Also its not soft d and soft t, but soft dz and soft c which are hard to pronounce alone, not mentioning palatalization. z resztą się zgodzę

>>69214874
in macedonian cat's are female, so if it's a male cant everyone will still call it she

except for animal lovers who treat them like humans and give them their proper nouns

>>69217131
>spelling is absolutely nothing like how it's pronounced
If it was, French would sound like Italian

>>69217359
well actually we have both, male - machor, female - machka, but everyone calls them machka(female)

>>69217324
>Also its not soft d and soft t, but soft dz and soft c which are hard to pronounce alone, not mentioning palatalization
not talking about the pronouncation
they are the softened forms of d and t, morphophonologically they don't have anything to do with dz and c
mop-na mopie
blat-na blacie

>>69217131
>>spelling is absolutely nothing like how it's pronounced
this is true, i hate that about french but english is even worse

i've heard french still has rules as to how to pronounce, unlike in english where every word is a story of it's own

>>69217403
You can specify a male or female cat, but in case of just a "cat", default is female. It's the same here.
mačak (male)
mačka (female)

>>69216538
Yeah sure but they both perform a function while having genders doesn't. If your language lost genders overnight then you would be able to speak the language just like before without any problems, but if prepositions or cases disappeared then all European languages would be dysfunctional.

This is what I mean. I'm not fucking saying that cases are better than prepositions or anything but they are necessary while genders aren't.

>>69212262
HAIL THE NOOOOOOOOOORTHERN BROTHERS!

>>69215246
As far as I know, the Bavarian dialect of German still uses some old dual forms (just the forms, the distinction between dual and plural has been entirely lost).

"You have" (plural) in standard German is "ihr habt", in Bavarian it's "eß hobts". If I remember correctly, these are old dual forms that managed to survive into modern times.

>>69217403
In Polish there is similar situation:
Kot - (m) generally "cat"
Kocur - (m) exclusively male cat, often with disregard
Kotka - (f) exclusively female cat
Also:
Kociątko (n) "kitten" diminutive form, nondiminutive form is used only in plural

>>69212120
this concept is kinda retarded desu

>>69217646
>>69217646
>Kociątko (n) "kitten"
Mačkica (f)
Mače (n)
Mačkić (m) (though I don't know if this form officially okay)

>>69212120
Netherlands has feminine and masculine too.

>>69217776
we also have mache

we call girls here machinja :)

>>69217213
Why is bus animate?

>>69213374
the blacks are drinking beer now?? fuggg :--DD

>>69217916
Never watched cars?

>>69216302
So? Apart from few digraphs Polish is fully phonetic

>>69217820
We've got more words for cat. If we're gonna call a girl a cat, we can alsol use
Maca (f)
And if we're gonna do a diminutive, then it's
Macica (f)

So many words and variation of basically the same thing.

>>69212677
not in polish. here table and banana both are masculinum.

>>69215246
Biblical Hebrew had dual, and modern Hebrew sort of has it.

>>69218007
Table is male, banana is female.

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>>69216716
Hello, former masters
Remember 1954?

Table is a word
Banana is also a word
What's the difference again?

>>69214738
100% unironically, my favorite thing about Hebrew (and I assume other complex languages) is that you can easily notice plebs that make grammar mistakes.

If any of you put yod instead of aleph in first-person-singular-future-verbs, fucking kill yourself you subhuman

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>>69216716
>>tonal languages
Guilty as charged.

>>69218150
Who is a word
Whom is a word
What is the difference again?

>>69218007
>>69218063
They're both female desu

>>69217811
We hebben alleen maar "de" en "het" lieve schat

>>69218150
>Table is a
Real man. See pic related.

>Banana is
Fucking gay so we may as well make it female instead.

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>>69218329
>See pic related

>>69218150
no difference since they're both female

>>69218373
Don't be l*wd

>>69217521
The thing is that all the letters were indeed pronounced at one point in history, but orthography decided to stop following changes in the spoken language. Same goes with English

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Sun is masculine
Moon is feminine

right, Germany ?

>>69212262
>WE
>WUZ
>KANGZ

>table
>a dead object
>let's give it a gender that is only seen in biological / live objects

>>69218474
No, no, no. You got it all wrong.

Sun is neutral.
Moon is male.

>>69218431
>same with English
No, because English has vocabulary from different languages with different orthographies (that also changed)

>>69218474
"Sun" is neutral and "moon" is feminine

>>69218474
Sun is female
Moon is usual male but also has a female name

>>69218514
Yea, I guess that only applies to "native" Germanic-origin words.

>>69218513
>mesecina
>male

>>69218602
>mjesec
>not male

Mjesečina is female, but it means moonlight.

>>69218555
nope anon. sun is neutral and moon is masculine.

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>>69218708
>moon is masculine

>>69218474
I could say you the same thing about many substantives in French

>>69218859
Yes. And star is feminine

>>69215775
'th' is a class indicator, it won't be lost unless there's a communist revolution or something

>>69218859
It makes sense.

Sun gives life/warmth > motherly > feminine
Moon controls the tides > force, strength > masculine

>>69218957
good.

>>69218957
Poland is right here.

>>69218859
>his country literally calles fap (Pháp)

>>69219015
what

Is there a language out there in which penis is feminine?

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>>69218708
>moon is masculine

>>69219135
in french slang, yes

>>69219135
a dutch penis is masculine but a little dutch penis is neuter

german are slaved

>>69212677
this guy knows

>>69219135
пипиcькa (мoя)

>>69219135
In hebrew vagina is masculine, but so is penis

>>69216808
*banana

>>69219015
>>69219004
btw our word for moon is księżyc which means son of prince - it originally was the name of one of 4 phases
though there is the less common 'miesiąc' - month

>>69219384
>less common 'miesiąc' - month
Mjesec in Croatian is both month and moon at the same time.

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>>69212120
fixed

>>69212262
WE
THE NÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅÅRMAL PEEPÅL

>>69219384
What's are Polish words for fence and city?
In Croatian it's "ograda", which comes from old slavic for "walled garden" and has been transformed into modern "grad" which means city.

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this map shows the amount of genders in danish dialects

To be honest, neuter is overrated. Where I come from, we just use male instead of neuter.

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>>69220156
this exactly

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>>69219590
Funny Finn

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>>69220389
Fucking mongols and their grammar cases.

>>69219637
fence - ogrodzenie
city - miasto but in old polish it would be gród (everybody would understand that word)

>>69219637
ogród - garden
gród - fortified city (mostly used in medieval context)
grodzisko/grodziszcze - remnants of the walls the above
ogrodzenie - fence
zagroda - enclosed farm
...that's all I can think of atm

city/town is miasto
gród appears in some town names, like Grodzisk and Grójec (originally Grodziec)

>>69220518
>>69219637
Ograja - fence
Ograda - enclosure
Mesto - city/town
Grad - castle
Vrt - garden

>miasto
Based Poles

>>69220518
>>69220550
Okay, so the same peculiar development exists even up there.

>miasto
Mjest here. It means place, but can also mean an unspecified village or smaller city.

>>69220591
>Vrt - garden
Same, but it's a later development.

>>69220607
>Mjest
*Mjesto

>>69220652
Nothing wrong with mest desu

>>69218973
The Israeli got it.

Die Sonne (the sun)
Der Mond (the moon)
Der Stern (the star)

>>69220607
miejsce - place

>>69220732
I'm guessing that der is masculine?

Star is also masculine in Hebrew, but we have a female form for women movie stars

>>69219135
yeah, in slang. for example: kuśka

>>69212262
WUZ NOOOOOOOOORTHERN AND SHIT

>>69221034
>kuśka
Kurac (it's male, tough)

>>69220697
I've got high temperature (gift from my mother for Christmas) so I have trouble concentrating. Made a shitload of spelling mistakes itt

>>69221211
is kurac a croat word for cock? in polish it is kogut also we call sometimes chickens "cipy" and thats a word for cunt

>>69221211
Oh that sucks. What I meant was that mest is one of the variations of how mesto can be said here

>>69219135
Several Southern Italian dialects.

>>69221285
Yes it is. It's kind of rude, though. Say it when out with friends, but in formal company or to be polite just use penis.

>>69219135
Piša ^^ hihi xD

>>69219384
>which means son of prince
What? Księżyc comes from just "prince" not "son of prince"

>>69221477
You got me.
I haven't heard that in years desu senpai

>>69219135
polish slang

armatka, pała, dzida, faja, fujarka, knaga, sikawka, strzelba

>>69219676
This map is a load of shit

Fun thread, someone should make another one.

>>69221499
-ic/-icz means son of

>>69221499
We call prince "princ"

>>69222824

>>69222824

>>69222824

>>69215919
That would mean English is evolving backwards into German. Reversing sound shifts.

Kek, there's nothing cultural niggers can't destroy