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>>68547544
Learning German, eh?

>>68547544
Aprender español fue un error porque la mayoría de hispanohablantes son putasos en el Internet.

Learning Mandarin
Working on a startup in China (I'm Caucasian from Europe)
One guy in the company has an accent so strong I could think it's another language
He sounds like a bee, when he talks there are "z" everywhere

>>68547544
I've started learning Lojban again. How autistic am I?

>>68547544
>>68517299

>>68549122
>ro remna cu se jinzi co zifre je simdu'i be le ry. nilselsi'a .e lei ry. selcru .i ry. se menli gi'e se sezmarde .i .ei jeseki'ubo ry. simyzu'e ta'i le tunba

Seriously, just drop it, it's horrible.

Yo yo, where my türkçe konuşanlar at
I have a question about the word hakkı, or whatever the root is.
So, to say "I read a book about him", I say "Onun hakkındaki bir kitap okudum". Not sure if the -ki is necessary or not, but that's not my question.
Duolingo taught me that you only use the genitive form for the pronouns, but that doesn't seem right to me. So if I want to say "I read a book about Atatürk", which one would I say?
Atatürk hakkındaki bir kitap okudum.
Atatürk'ün hakkındaki bir kitap okudum.

>>68549785
>Atatürk'ün hakkındaki bir kitap okudum.
This one is the right one.

>>68549785
"Atatürk hakkında bir kitap okudum" would be right
if you still have more questions
>>>/tr/

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>>68550540
Thanks for coming from /tr/ to help

>>68549785
Atatürk hakkında bir kitap okudum.
You shouldn't use pronoun in this sentence.
You can use "hakkındaki" in this.
"What is your opinions about him?"
"Onun hakkındaki görüşlerin nelerdir?"

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Still trying with mandarin.
Decided to try and decode the simplified chinese version of the annalects using a digital dictionary.
I will also write most of the characters on paper.

>>68553063
You're gonna need to write most characters about a hundred times before your hand starts to get the hang of writing it and you learn the character.

i'm trying to learn a foreign language but i can't even hold a conversation in my own language due to severe autism so there is really no point

>>68553366
But You write in english ? Or you just know basic english ?

>>68549122
>>68549276

I have a question.

How would someone pick up Lojban without use of a dictionary or lessons? If for example a child was learning by immersion, do you think they would be able to pick up on the slightly different "prepositional" values/orders of each word? I know the word order tends to be similar for many words (sorry, forgot the terminology) but some don't go in the same order, so do you think it would be extra difficult for a person just learning by ear? Or do you think they would pick it up as easily as any other language?

>>68553468
i speak english and norwegian, yes.

i'm trying to learn a third language but the fact is i would never go to the country where they speak this language and talk to people in it because of severe autism.

>>68550235
>>68550540
>>68550636
Teşekkür ederim. Pratik yapmağın için bugünkü derslerimden sonra /tr/'ı gideceğim.

>>68553656
önemli değil anon, ne zaman istersen
>yapmağın
yapmak
>/tr/'ı gideceğim.
/tr/'ye gideceğim

>>68547544
does anyone have any resources on learning adyghe circassian online?

>>68553063
Wew good luck anon

I am studying Korean right now but am taking some time to learn Hanja

It's daunting but I am optimistic

>>68553311
I'm willing to do that.
Didn't expect it to be any different.

>>68554046
What is Hanja exactly used for in Korean?

>>68553366
>but i can't even hold a conversation in my own language due to severe autism so there is really no point


It's not your fault, it's because your government has been converting your language into D*nish for the last centuries.

It is not natural for you to speak this constructed Neo-D*nish imperialist "language"

hvem /norsk/ her

>>68554257
t. norwegian rape baby

>when your language barely has anythig in common with others,be it grammar or vocabulary

>>68554165
You mainly see it in newspapers, and sometimes on signage, it is used generally just when there is a need to conserve space, like an abbreviation. So, it's not really needed for anything.

However, for someone learning Korean, if you learn what at least some of the Hanja are, you will memorize vocabulary much faster and be able to guess word meanings more easily than if you just go in learning words "blind".

I'm learning it for that reason and also just for curiosity, and to see if it helps me later when studying Japanese or Chinese.

>>68554373
Do you mean Hungarian?

I plan to study that eventually.

>>68553530
I think someone could learn maybe a little bit by ear, but I don't think anyone could become fluent by ear. I'm not sure if anyone has taught their children any lojban, but if so, it would be interesting to see what happens.

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>>68554330
At least I don't literally speak Danish as my first language.

>>68554468
Yes.
It's a nuisance.
We have some slavic stuff,some latin and some german,but thanks to the language reform we made in the good old days,most stuff has an original,hungarian name.
You could say kompjúter,but nobody uses that.
Everyone says Számítógép.

>>68554555
at least i don't live on an island in the middle of nowhere where it rains literally 365 days a year

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>>68554831
Man, these Norwegian burns are devastating.

>>68554610
I would be proud of that to be honest, it's interesting

>>68555213
Never said it's bad.
But the hungarian language is a castle with no doors.
Hard to get out,hard to get in.

>>68554831
Sounds a lot like the UK.

>>68553959
Hold on, don't you use the genitive with 'için'?
"Onun için bunu yapacağız" = "We will do this for him/her"
And if you attach -ın to 'yapmak', you have to soften the k to a ğ, hence I wrote yapmağın. Or is için like hakkında, where only the pronouns take the genitive?

>>68554023
I have these two links laying around in my bookmarks, haven't really looked at them. The first one's for Adyghe, the other one's for Kabardian, so it might not be so useful for you.
http://iccs.synthasite.com/learn-circassian.php
http://prism.ucalgary.ca/handle/1880/49341
Also check the Google Docs from OP.

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>>68556217
thanks

>>68556217
there is no such thing as "yapmağın" in turkish
if you want to say "in order to", just add -mak/mek için

Learning Mandarin

It's still hard but I can tell I'm getting there. Almost at the critical point where I can understand enough of what is said in listening to start picking some things up from context. But I still can't tell what's going on when people start sticking 儿 after everything

Want to learn French but don't think I'd be able to make those guttural sounds well enough.

Fellow frogs, how ridiculous do Anglos sound when speaking English?

If you are learning X make sure you...

If you are learning German make sure you learn the article of new words you learn.

If you are learning Arabic make sure you learn the plural of new words.


Anyone got any similar tips that beginners should do that will make life easier when they get more advanced?

44th for turkish being phonetic is a myth

Currently trying to learn french, but it's been a challenge.
Some things are similar to portuguese, others to english. Fuck.

Any advice, frogbros? I really wanna learn this by myself.

I'm trying to learn arabic, and writing and reading in german is quite easy now, my grammar is even better than in english. But arabic is on a whole different level, holy shit, hard consonants and all those letters that sound like "h" are killing my mouth, plus I can't read fast, it get's worse with the rules for solar and lunar letters, and alifs

>>68547806
Putazos? Por qué? Putazos se interpreta como golpes o gays jajaja, mejor di pendejos.

cual lengua deberia estudiar para EL DINERO

no, el chino y el arabe no cuentan

>>68563460
Recomiendo que estudies japonés, alemán, o inglés. Parece que los estados unidos, china, japón, alemania, y el reino unido son los cinco paises que tienen los PIB más altos.
Pero también quiero decir que sería más fácil aprender el idioma que te interesa. Para mi, el turco es más interesante que el chino. Bunun için çok türkçe öğrendim ama zaten çince anlamıyorum :^)

>>68563387
Gracias por el consejo.

>>68562171
If you're learning Russian, when you learn a new verb, make sure you know the two aspects and you conjugated it at least once.

Somebody is learning french ?

>>68547544
wanna learn french
tried learning spanish over summer but failed as usual

>>68563056
Can't really help you. I found English and Italian ridiculously easy to learn because of the identical vocabularies, but I don't know if it works the other way around. Just... make sure you know how to conjugate every verb you know, and learn the genders. I wish you good luck.

>>68567386
See >>68567458
Conjugation and genders are hard, but I think the vocabulary is pretty easy.

>>68562171
watch a lot of tv

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help with spanish plz

>>68570035
*ayudándote*

>>68570068
Que?

>>68570343
Ayudar = To help
Ayudando = Helping (present participle)
te = second person singular clitic
Ayudando + te = ayudándote = helping you
Since the word is an esdrújula (emphasis on the third to last syllable) the acute accent is written on the second a.
De nada :D

>>68570856
gracias!

learning russian for the girls and world cup. learning arabic to kill them. so far russian is pretty easy, and arabic is meh

>>68567310
Not sure if this exists in Russian, but I know that in Ukrainian you can just put вжe + past-tense verb to hack a perfect aspect without memorizing each verb's individual form.

What is a very useful language that is not english or spanish? I want to learn something but can't think of a language to learn.

>>68572104
French, German, Chinese, Russian

>>68572104
chinese

>>68547544
Would anyone recommend using the IPA? I have trouble remembering some of it.

>>68572720
getting sick of this meme твн

>>68573633
IPAs are alright but they're a little too hoppy for my taste. I prefer a well brewed lager myself.

>>68573649
what is a person supposed to learn? spanish so they can talk to people incapable of fractions? arabic, so they can talk to people who can barely do fractions, but will kill you for anything more intelligent?

if someone isn't going to learn chinese, the only other real options I see are russian or maybe german

>>68573633
You may find it useful as a reference, but memorizing it is a waste of brain cells, so to speak. It's a helpful tool in the absence of audio resources, but for most languages that is most likely not a problem. Lemme break it down like this:
If you're learning Spanish or Japanese or Arabic, you do not need IPA. You have PLENTY of audio to work with.
If you're learning something way less mainsteam like Circassian or Irish Gaelic or Mongolian, IPA will prove incredibly helpful to you.

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>>68573717
>people incapable of fractions

>>68558980
it's not that hard. regard it as a slur. it only replaces certain types of particles, and is always a compliment to a single character that needs a complement to be clear.

there are rules to erhua. just google it.

>>68569891
this is a good idea but I have the impression it reduces your general intelligence in exchange for language skills

>>68573867
poetry

>>68573867
try and deal with mexicans, ever, I dare you

also, mexicans are 30% of all of america and nearlt 50% of the prime consumer market. if that burger failed, which demographic do you thnk it was that misunderstood the fraction?

mexicans who are monolngual in english graduate high school with an average reading level of 6th grade.

think about that for a second.

>>68573953
>if that burger failed, which demographic do you thnk it was that misunderstood the fraction?
Americans
>mexicans who are monolngual in english graduate high school with an average reading level of 6th grade.
sounds like they're integrating well

I was thinking Russian because that's where my rrelatives live, but idk where to start.

>>68573953
Are you shitposting ironically or just plain retarded. Also, take this to another thread anon.

77a por neŭtrala lingva fundamento

Buenas noches y buenos días.

Cool site posted on reddit that allows you to listen to radio stations around the world. Sort of like tunein but more fun if you want to jump around and listen to a bunch of different languages.

http://radio.garden/live/

>>68581856
This is amazing thanks for sharing.

3pm bump

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1. Poland
2. Spen
3. A2

I already speak English, so what would be the point of learning another language?

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>>68581856
>tfw it thinks all georgias are the same

>>68553656
Ben de öğrenmek için '/tr'ye gitmek istiyorum..

>>68578558
Saluton, amiko. :3

Ĉu la germana aĉulo ankoraŭ klopodas irone lerni Esperanton?

>>68586819
Because its interesting.

>>68547544
I'm trying to learn Finnish, wont be an advantage but its a cool somewhat futuristic language that has a weird vibe to it compared to the other european languages (might be because its one of the last survivors of the proto indo european niggers invading with their language thus a glimpse into how pre indo european languages souded like)
What am i getting myself into?

>>68547544
>tfw duolingo has fucking welsh of all languages but doesnt have finnish

> at store today
>that will be 2 euros
>give 12 euros

fuck me i suck at language learning

would learning hindi
come in handi

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>>68591519
Get out

>>68589533
I think you're talking about me, here I am

>>68589533
>>68592860
Also wow, that was rude

>>68547544
>be me
>remember /int/ tried learning Afrikaans once
>i wonder why there aren't any language learning threads
>scroll down
>see this thread

T'is tyd lads

>>68560103
I always thought they liked Anglo accents.

Either way, Anglo womyns are whores for French so it's useful on the home turfs.

>studied Spanish for 6 years, became fluent
>stopped using it, forgot almost all of it
>studied Japanese in uni for 2.5 years
>failed class, gave up

What are my chances of "decoding" this.
I'm planning on writing down every character I don't know with it's meaning(s) into a little notebook.

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>>68594154
Fuck.
I forgot the image.

It will be a good excersize I suppose

I'm learning Italian, just using Duolingo and listening to music/radio

>>68591438
They're pretty autistic when it comes to choosing languages and making courses.

>>68594371
I was baffled when I heard they don't have mandarin.

>>68589533
Saluton!

Mi volas aĉeti Esperantan libron por Zamenhofa Tago, sed versajne ne estos Esperantaj libroj en mia urbo.

>>68594154
>>68594206
Do you have any chinese speakers that will be able to help you if you get stuck?

>>68595459
No
It's not like I won't search for a solution tirelessly on my own.
Anything is possible.
And I have this dictionary thingy on my phone so I'm optimistic.

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>>68591511
Eres el yanqui que vive en españa?
Cómo andan las cosas?
>>68593950
I was the same with spanish. If you dont use, it goes by so fucking fast.
>>68595597
you should really get a chracter dictionary. I also saw for japanese, they had that character finder where you can draw it and get it.

>>68547544
>>What language are you learning?
Spanish,French
>>Share language learning experiences!
I don't think I can proceed with learning spanish unless I converse with a natural speaker regularly.
>>Help people who want to learn a new language!
Memrise,Duolingo,Pimsleur and google translate are your friends, also read a lot of things in your chosen language.
>>68547806
Cada uno en el internet es un hijo de puta aunque.

>>68599004
Para lenguas asiáticas? Por lo menos los de español se pueden usar.

>>68567458
Could you explain why the singular for les hommes is l'homme when les garcons is le garcon?

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I did it! I completed the German tree in Duolingo!

>>68599289
Good job friend.

>>68599118
>Para lenguas asiáticas?
Que tu hablando sobre?

>>68599124
Because h is a vowel or something

>>68599289
What is your fluency score?

>>68599350
thanks ahmed

>>68599410
48%

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>>68599289
good job anon. I hope you didnt do like me and skip parts by taking the tests to clear sections.
Anyhow, try to see if german has a reverse tree to.
>>68599380
>de qué estaba hablando
lo de los diccionarios de otros idiomas. Pero disculpa, ya veo que estabas hablando de la gente en el Internet. Por qué tú crees que son malas las personas?

>>68593329
Ne ofendiĝu. Ni ĉiuj estas aĉuloj.

>>68594804
Espereble vi povos trovi libron. Ĉiufoje kiam mi estas ĉe librovendejo mi serĉas Esperantan libron, sed ĉiam sensukcese. Eble vi povas aĉeti libron per interreto.

>>68599735
If my German was good enough to take tests to skip, I wouldn't need Duolingo

German does have a reverse German-to-English tree, but I'm moving on doing actual translation work now.

>>68599813
Oh cool anon. That will help along with going on dw.org to learn as well, since they have a lot of resources. And the skiping test things, you can do it in every language. You just take and fail them several times to see patterns and learn the words and sentences off them and then just do it again. But like you said, I already knew spanish, so it was easy to cheat that way.

Eu apprendo o Portugues, o meu nome é Anon, qual é o seu nome?

>>68599735
>Por qué tú crees que son malas las personas?
No personas malas exactamente pero idiotas

>>68598727
>you should really get a chracter dictionary. I also saw for japanese, they had that character finder where you can draw it and get it.
Considering he posted classical chinese the characters should be the least of his problems.

>>68599380
****¿Sobre qué estás hablando?
¿De qué estás hablando?
>>68601960
*no exactamente personas malas, sino idiotas
(así queda mejor, recuerda que en este caso but se traduce como "sino" en vez de "pero")

I've been dabbling with spanish for like 5-6 months now, completed the tree on duolingo but feel very insufficient

also starting to learn german nowadays, and maybe I'd add a fifth one, do you have any recommendations?

os deseo un buen dia

>>68554046
what level are you at, I've been studying a bit recently and am on level 2 of ttmik. I find it pretty tricky to remember everything but some really nice guy made a memrise course of all the stuff covered in all the ttmik lessons so it's a bit easier to learn. have you used this resource? do you think it's worth carrying on using?

>>68562171
I think with a lot of languages always learning how to conjugate verbs is super useful

For Korean specifically, try and remember the spelling of words otherwise you will be frustrated when you remember what a word sounds like but can't remember how exactly to spell it, which 'o' sound, which 'a' sound etc.

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>>68604293
-Download Spoonfed Chinese in anki
-Set up the cards to only have audio on the front
-Do as much as you can tolerate a day (40 cards a day will end up with you doing about an hour a day of study)
-Allow repeats, mark yourself right if you can repeat the sentence with the correct tones (keeping in mind that some of the pinyin in the deck is wrong) and can understand the sentence (essentially just memorizing the translation given if the grammar in the sentence is too complex for you at the time)
-Make a vocab deck. Whenever a word comes up in Spoonfed Chinese/textbooks/native material/whatever that you haven't seen before, add it to the vocab deck. You can create a text file like the attached image using perapera (firefox) or using the "copy this entry in plain text" function at https://www.mdbg.net/chindict/chindict.php

If the number of words for the day is very low, supplement a bit with words from the hsk frequency lists at http://data.hskhsk.com/lists/, starting with HSK1 and going up in levels slowly (maybe don't bother with the HSK6 list though)

Basically spoonfed chinese tests your listening, and the vocab deck ensures you can read the words with their hanzi.

Do the above and you'll get better faster than all your friends. In the first month, spend your extra study time practicing writing and acquainting yourself with hanzi. After the first month spend extra time reading stuff intended for learners like du chinese articles.

>>68588719
Asla düşmedim ki türkçe öğrenen bir japonlı var. Sana iki şey soracağım.
1) Neden dili öğrenmek istiyorsun?
2) Bir hipotez diyor ki japonca ve türkçe (ve moğolca ve korece ve mançuca...) Altay dilleridir. Bunun hakkında ne düşünüyorsun? Sence japonca türkçe benziyor mu?

>>68604681
Korean spelling is a mess

>>68604854
it really is desu but then again, so is english and a lot of people who aren't from a native english speaking country know english so i'm sure it will be fine

>>68558980
北京人 have a habit of adding the 儿 sound to the end of words

>sauce: 我有北京人老师

>>68604437
Learn French.

>>68567310
>Somebody is learning french ?
me but I just started so my level is almost 0

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>>68604360
No soy ese anon pero puedes darme unos ejemplos de cómo se usa el voseo en Sudamérica .

>>68605522
Eso depende de la región, pero es lo mismo que con el tú.
Ej.:
tú corres > vos corrés
tú miras > vos mirás
tú saltas > vos saltás
(simplemente tienes que tomar la conjugación de "vosotros" y quitarle la i en la gran mayoría de casos)
Ej:
vosotros sois > vos sos
vosotros andáis > vos andás
vosotros coméis > vos comés

Eso sería acá en Argentina y Uruguay, pero hay regiones de Bolivia y no sé que otros países que usan el "vos" pero con la conjugación del "tú"
Ej: vos comes, vos corres, etc.
Y viceversa. O sea, se usa el tú con la conjugación del "vos".(aunque no estoy seguro de esta última)

>>68591386
Finnish has many relatives, so not one of the "last survivors" of anything, really. Also it's not an indo-european language, It's Uralic.

>>68606480
gracias. y en el subjuntivo será comé vos o tomá vos?

>>68562171

If you're learning Polish, make sure you memorize the two aspects of each verb, that you understand how to conjugate the verb into its 24 different forms, that you understand which case(s) the verb takes and prepositions it requires in tandem (if any). Then make sure you understand how to decline each and every noun into its 14 different possible forms (7 each for plural and singular) and after that memorize each related verb that differs from its parent verb by a nearly arbitrary prefix and has a radically different meaning.

>>68563056
I learnt French until B1 almost 2 level.What are your difficulties?

>>68601083
*Eu estou aprendendo português. Chamo-me anon, qual o seu nome? (Pt-br)
* Eu estou a aprender português. Chamo-me anon, qual o teu nome? (Pt-Eu)

>>68608637
quiero que comas (tú) > quiero que comás (vos)
quiero que jueges (tú) > quiero que jugués (vos)
quiero que tomes (tú) > quiero que tomés (vos)

Con el voseo podés usar ambas conjugaciones, pero dependiendo del lugar que vivas va a haber cierta preferencia. Yo en lo personal uso ambas por igual.

Over a year of trying to learn French on and off, can't fucking do it because it's so full of arbitrary bullshit. Thinking about getting conversational at most or even dropping it completely and then switching to Modern Greek or Bulgarian.

>>68609371
***dependiendo del lugar en el que vivas

>>68609371
Gracias. La mayoría de latinos de acá son de México y del Caribe, así que no creo que yo vaya a oírlo mucho.
>>68609455
Todo bien. A veces tengo muchos fallos en mis oraciones. Pero yo traté de preguntarte sobre el modo imperativo.
Ej.
Eat that or give it to me
Come eso Dámelo.

>>68609371
>jueges
es juegues, no?

>>68609673
Sí.

What language should I learn, /int/?

>>68609793
what do you like anon. A language should come to you. If you hate it, when you get to the plateau, you will drop.

>>68609881
I don't know. I live in the middle of buttfuck nowhere and probably will never have a use for any language besides English.

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Boa noite, meus macacos. Estou estudando português há seis meses. Acho que a lingua é muito bonita. Eu gosto de practicar com fofinas no internet, elas estão muito dispostos e ama minha branco americano cara. Beijos.

>>68609667
Ah, te confundiste, dijiste subjuntivo.
En el imperativo es más de lo mismo, solamente cambia la sílaba tónica.
come > comé
mira > mirá
juega > jugá
corre > corré

También hay excepciones, como por ejemplo en la oración que diste "come eso o dámelo" el imperativo del verbo "comer" cambia (primer ejemplo), pero el de "dar" es igual.

>>68609673
>>68609740
Un error de tipeo, no me había dado cuenta.

>>68610012
Gracias por todo.

>>68547544

Any resources to learn Arabic?

>>68609999
*elas estão muito dispostas e amam a minha branca cara americana

Acho que esta é uma tradução melhor, mas não tenho certeza.

>>68610119
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B9QDHej9UGAdcDhWVEllMzJBSEk#

Search here.

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Ola, eu sou quebequense

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>>68610301
obrigado mano, acho que sim tambem. Eu preciso pratica mais

>>68609409
Bonjour, petite Russie

>>68610360
Bonsoir, chapeau des États Unis.

>>68605404
Bonsoir, prison des peuples
>>68609117
Comment vas-tu, Nouveau-Portugal ?
>>68610393
Comment vas-tu ? As-tu appris la langue de tes nouveaux maitres ?

>>68610578
Je n'ai appris rien, je ne peux pas dire des choses plus simples en français.

>>68610301
hey i know you helped me but i have one more question. How would you say, the average anon that likes that disgusts me.

>>68547544
What language should I learn first: French or Spanish?

>>68598727
I have one.
How would I do It without a dictionary?

>>68604002
Just going to collect the characters.
I searched for a simplified version for a reason.

>>68611298
fall over a cry like most of us who need it.

>>68611115
Me dan asco la mayoría de los anónimos a los que les gusta eso.

>>68611391
Tell me more

>>68611115
the literal translatios would be:
el "anon" promedio al que le gusta eso me repugna/da asco.

although this sounds way better >>68611547
Also, what do you need that for??

What's the best way to use clozemaster? Text input is way better than multiple choice, I've found, and I like to try and translate every sentence into the target language before I look at it (I usually get something wrong, but it's good practice).

But how much do you guys write words down, look things up, etc. while you practice? Is it better to analyze these sentences or just absorb them?

>>68611152
I would suggest you Spanish, cause French is the same, but with a bitchier pronunciation; spanish is way easier to hear and pronounce... Althought I don't know shit about Portuguese, so maybe you guys share more sounds than us with French

>>68611547
Thanks anon. I wrote something similar like you and the argie anon, but I thought it was wrong because the way spanish links clauses. Glad it wasnt.
>>68611635
meh, just arguing on hispa on this opinion thread on otakus that like the more controversial fetishes. But anyway thanks. I thought it was wrong what I wrote since spanish does verbs a bit different like with gustar vs english were it is direct.
like literal translation that is pleasing to that anon he give me disgust.

Should I learn French or German, even I have nothing in mind visiting them in the near future.
>because tourist
The Arabs coming here for holiday speaking French and idk I think a Turk family speaking German. Should I learn them for legal papers translation?

>>68611715
Portuguese does have more sounds in common with French, but I don't think phonetics even matter that much in terms of how hard a language is, unless it's something ridiculous like Georgian or Xhosa. What does matter is that French is fucking bullshit, you pretty much have to learn everything by heart like in English, whereas Spanish is very logical and easy to learn (especially if your first language is to Spanish what Canada is to the US).

>>68611704
Depends on your end goal.
You wanna read books in your target language? Analyze away. You can take as long as you like.
You wanna watch TV/movies? Maybe absorb some of those sentences so you can keep up the pace, but it's okay to do some analysis in the event that you need to rewind/pause to comprehend something.
Are you looking to be conversant? Don't slow down and analyze shit. I learned Turkish, and since it was such a different grammar than English/Spanish, I had to slow down and analyze my sentences when I translated or formed them. That sort of crippled my conversational skills, as I ended up speaking very slowly and stumbling more than the Turks I spoke to.

>>68612595
Don't take this as an insult, but it sounds like you didn't set the bar very high. Some people will agree with you, but for me personally the end goal is learning the language well enough to be as articulate as I am in Russian, or at least in the same league. I feel unsatisfied and uncomfortable if I catch myself having to mentally rephrase things and settle for a different shade of meaning than originally intended because I'm not sure which tense you should use in the original phrase, or because I don't know the connotations of a certain word in it, whatever.

You won't learn to properly express exactly what you want to say without making mistakes if you don't analyze, ask boring and autistic questions about the language that your conversation partner can't answer a lot of the time, and -- I'd say this is the most important language learning protip I can give -- if they don't autistically correct every single mistake you make (including things like "it's grammatically correct but no one would say that here") because you've asked them to do it seventeen times and they finally stopped letting your fuckups slide.

>>68612595
>>68612946

So yeah, I want to be as fluent as I can manage in my second language, reading, speaking, the whole deal. I think simply knowing vocabulary is enough for reading, and maybe even listening, but it's not enough for speaking, because knowing vocabulary doesn't teach you how to string that vocabulary together. That's why I try to "speak" every sentence that I see on Clozemaster before I solve it.

I write a lot of things down as I play Clozemaster, but sometimes I think I'd be better off just going through it, trying to speak every sentence, and spending as much time as I need to get through the 40000 sentences 4-6 times, which is a considerable time chunk that doesn't get any faster when I jot things down every other sentence.

>>68613244
>Clozemaster

Thanks, I'll use it from now on.

I didn't get your point right, then. I kind of agree, as soon as I learned the grammar in Spanish (and even then not all of it), I went straight to watching movies, reading (God that was a pain in the ass, literary language has a fuckton of words you'd never hear in a conversation so you end up looking up like 1/3 of the book in a dictionary) and talking to natives. I'd say upwards of 70% of what I know I learned through talking.

That thing about forming the sentences you need to say in your head first or translating from your native language though... I'd say it's just a barrier you need to get through, absolutely nothing you can do to avoid it so early on your conversations are gonna suck, but when you start "thinking" in your target language when using it, you're basically home free. A tip I read somewhere is looking up thesaurus definitions instead of translations, that way you'll perceive the word the way natives do, and translations are mostly useless anyway since pretty much no word in any idiom has a direct counterpart in a different language.

>>68613764

I'm torn on that front. I think it's helpful to know the gist of a word, because there is no perfect translation, but I find that if I just stick with one meaning I can get to others more easily. But maybe I should defer to you, you seem to have a lot of experience with languages. I use this incredible Polish-English dictionary that the University of Pittsburgh rolled out. There's a Russian-English one, too, but I'm not sure if it's as good.

http://lektorek.org/

>>68613764

And I was gonna say, you need a certain threshold of experience with the language for speaking badly to be worth anything at all. Getting there and realizing that you've made it there is most of the work, I think.

>>68614068
>but I find that if I just stick with one meaning I can get to others more easily

Yeah, true. I guess that piece of advice is only useful after a certain level of fluency (e.g. I still encounter the occasional English word I don't know and I'll look it up on wiktionary, not an English-Russian dictionary).

>But maybe I should defer to you, you seem to have a lot of experience with languages.

Not really, I'm not even conversational in any except my two native ones, English and Spanish.

Still learning English. The more I learn the more I think I know nothing at all.
Wanna learn Spanish or German.

>>68614155

Native in English and Spanish? I thought you were the Ukrainian anon above who spoke Russian natively.

>>68614068
If you need anyone to practice polish with just let me know desu.

>>68614246
I phrased it badly, I meant my two native ones (Russian and Ukrainian) PLUS those two.

>>68614324
>speak FOUR (4) languages
>claim you have little to no experience regarding languages
wew lad...

>>68614385
You can claim whatever you want.
I speak 3~ languages learning a 4th,but besides knowing a few learnimg tricks,I have no experirnce

>>68614324

So yeah, that's really impressive to me. I've been learning Polish since forever and I would only consider myself maybe upper intermediate.

>>68614297

That would be great anon! Email me at uczenpolskiego @ gmail!

>>68591386
Welcome to Hell man. That said, it's an interesting language.

>studied mandarin for over 4 months
>not fluent yet
feels bad

>>68614385
>>68614544
Don't forget two of those four came free. Also learning Polish for an Anglo is an order of magnitude harder than either English or Spanish is for me.

>>68614542
Exactly.

>>68563387
.ستتحسن، ثق بي. ستكىن قادرًا على قراءة بسرعة وبدون الحكركات

Someone pls rate ;_;

>>68614775
actually that is not surprising. Mandarin is listed as one of those languages that can take years to master vs, say spanish that takes a few months at most.

>>68594154
There must be resources out there for learning the hanzi without grinding away, dictionary in hand.

>>68610326
>download duolingo to learn french
>realize how drastically different this shit is from what I learnt back in high school

Are there many practical benefits to learning Russian? Started learning in my spare time and enjoy it, but I understand mastering it can be quite difficult. Just trying to decide if I should invest my time.

>>68618863
No language will give you a good "practical" return compared to the effort required.
Just do it for fun.

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