Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1761

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いつまでもがんばるぞい!

>>68116402
>>>/a/

Just because were on /int/ doesn't mean you have to be retards like the other Japanese thread and rush to make the new thread before the old one dies

>>68116443
めんどくさい

>>68116542
it's literally 5 posts away from archiving

今は時間です。
あなたわバカです

>>68116642
>時間
Could you have possibly meant 時?

>>68116642
And it's still not dead.

>>68114704
Only 4,000 people a year get scholarships to study in japan, and there are only 50,000 US Citizens residing in Japan

does this indicate that people don't want to go to japan? is there really only 0.000001% of my country trying to go there?

or is it indicative that it's really fucking hard to go to japan and there's actually like 200,000 applicants that got told to fuck off? I really hope i'm not fucking my life over right now.

Any recommendations on the best writing utensil to use for writing kanji?
A good mechanical pencil?

>>68117028
あなたの血

>>68117028
ボールペン

>>68116642
>あなたわ
Did you mean は?

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できる

>>68117219
No.
彼わ日本
俺も日本

post not very popular Japanese song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-33SkD_tnw

ちょっとコンビニ行ってくる

>>68117229
出来ないだぞう!

>>68117339
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7lfcc02wY

Pls post sexy Kino

>>68117028
charcoal
wood

>>68117428
I was going to post Dio but noticed that there isn't a spoiler option. Is there a reason for that?

>>68117394
いやアノンくんなら絶対できる
信じてるよ
ファイト!

>>68116948
you're in the minority anon. most americans want to stay american, including this thread

You have 10 seconds to explain why you aren't learning with 鰐蟹

>>68117981
Anki is already free.

>>68117981
it's shit and it costs money

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>Tae Kim's guide told me to sign up on Lang-8
>Make Lang-8 account
>Japanese guy sends me friend request within 5 minutes of making my account

w-what do i do

>>68118238
Send a dik pic

A few epub novels added or restored to the CoR:

https://mega.nz/#F!H5AUDYQA!RazAnft9AO1npgbe8sSxdQ

Thanks to the people who originally shared them.

>>68118238
初めまして。私は害人です。ァノン君といいますよ

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>>68118386
>害人

>>68118386
>not 凱人

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Why are you bothering to learn Japanese when Japanese culture is dying?

There's an Olympic Games in 2020 that will signal the end of traditional japan. The westernization is coming. Your teachings will become literally useless in 12 years.

Now is the time to panic

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>>68118732
The olympic games are in Tokyo

Traditional Japan is where traditional japan always was. Even if Tokyo and Osaka get cucked, Kyoto will remain Kyoto.

>>68118732
You know what's going to be interesting? Seeing the birth rates skyrocket in 2021.

>>68118865
will that be from illegal immigration? there's no way in hell they let people stay in japan after the olympics end

or will the olympics be used as a smokescreen for marriages to take place?

>>68119024
From the mass production of ハーフs of course.

>>68119103
so illegal immigration then

that will only lead to an increased hatred of foreigners in japan. there really is nothing good about these olympics.

>>68118732
I'm literally only learning it for VNs

>>68119352
Norweigens in charge of being unproductive.

There's a reason your country is completely irrelevant on the global stage

>>68119432
Did a norwegian hurt you as a kid?

>>68119493
no but this norweigen girl won't stop messaging me on steam

she sends scandalous pictures and is looking for a foreigner to get her out of norway

it's bugging me. it's also irrelevant to this thread.

>>68119432
>>68119493
>>68119562
I'm so glad mods moved these threads to /int/, flags are a great addition and should be enabled on the whole site.

>>68118841
>kyoto
Literally 50% Chinese

>>68119928
If you're that scared of the chinese go to Hokkaido. Hokkaido is also safe from western intevention for at least this generation.

>>68119928
your literally 100% retard

>>68119769
Remember that you're here forever.

>>68119769
spaghetti, mama mia, pizza etc

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Can someone explain "って" for me?
I don't really get it, Tae Kim doesn't really go into detail either.

Like he says
>「って」 can also be used to talk about practically anything, not just to quote something that was said.

oh shit

acccidently overdosed on my medication

just realized i took 100mg of steroids instead of 50mg

i am kill

goodbye /djt/

>>68120619
sleep tight amerilad

>>68117028
Ballpoint for everyday writing, fudepen if you want to make it look pretty.

>>68116948
I wish I could apply for this stuff, but I neither have a useful degree (like STEM) nor want to do something useless like "Japanese Studies".

>>68120537
Using 「って」 if you're not quoting something is as redundant as using です when you're not describing a state of being. But people do it, still.

>>68120537
女の腋の匂いを嗅げるって事はいいですね?
You can use it to introduce a topic like a did, I think

>>68120537
って=というは

>>68120988
膕の方がいいけど。

>>68120537
”wrlじfwkぁgmふじこdygthjy”

From Schwarzesmarken

【グレーテル】「それに、ベルリンでの市街戦という想定そのものが非現実的だわ」
【グレーテル】「精強なる我が軍が、首都への侵攻を許すとでも? 敗北主義もいいところよ」

What does Gretel mean by 敗北主義もいいところ? I doubt she's saying that defeatism is a good quality.

>>68120904
>>68120988
>>68121514
Oh really?

do you ever have days where you just forget fucking everything and press again on 40 cards in a row

>>68121997
My worst score to date was 33 flunks at ~200 reviews, so no.

軍手! 高速道路で煎餅みたいになる以外にも使い道があったとは驚き! これさえあれば何をさわっても怖くないのさ!
A character is talking about the usefulness of gloves when going rockpooling.
I can't figure out what the second sentence means.

>>68121997
There are days where I press again on 100 cards.
I work shift and there are days there I simply can't learn anything => double suffering the next day.

My anki stats are horrible but I don't give a fuck I make progress either way.
Try harder if you are slacking off, but nothing wrong with not being as good as these neets with their 95% retention.

Would DJT be interested in building the ultimate anki deck? Something like Core + RTK/KKLC all at once.

Cards would pop up similarly to core except we'd also have additional information regarding the word and its Kanji displayed on the card.

Example :
調理
ちょうり
cookery; preparation
この魚は調理が難しい
Cooking this fish is difficult.

Left side of the card :
調
音読み: チョウ
訓読み: しら.べる、 しら.べ、 ととの.う、 ととの.える

Right side of the card :
理
音読み: リ
訓読み: ことわり

Would especially be useful for the 音読み in my opinion.

ねみぃー

>>68122389
>これさえあれば何をさわっても怖くないのさ!
As long as you have this no matter what you touch it's not scary.

>さえあれば
"as long as you have x"
"as long as x exists"

>>68122854
Thanks but I mean the sentence before it.

>>68121720
>~もいいところ
when something is so god damn bad that it even makes ~ look better than you say like that

>shitpostingもいいところだ

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>tfw still waiting for my J-J dictionary

>>68123023
Thanks for that piece of info!

>>68123213
>using paper-based text media

>>68122854
さえ makes me remember code geass
フザケルんだ!力、力さえ有れば!此処から抜け出す力、世界に負けない力が!

>>68122631
nope. The ultimate deck is the one you mine imao.

「敗北主義もいいところ」よ。

I think the way of 'もいいところ' is difficult.
I guess that is omitted for '敗北主義(を言うの)もいいところ(までにしてください)'.
In the case, 'いいところ' is a kind of irony expressions like 'いい加減'.

Incidentally, there is a way of '~どころか、せいぜい~がいいところ'.
一番どころか、せいぜい十番目がいいところ
I get the impression that is mixed with this expression.

>>68123007
Oh, well I'm not sure either.

>高速道路で煎餅みたいになる
Only thing that comes to mind is the picture a rice cracker getting smashed to bits on the road after a few hundreds of cars went by. Still I'm not sure what it has to do with anything.

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>>68123285
Dunno I enjoy reading the real thing.

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Can anyone show me an example of 冴えない being used

>>68124601
Apparently it is a normal idjective
There is the anime called 冴えない彼女〈ヒロイン〉の育てかた (saekano)
And there is this sentence from jisho そのパフォーマンスは冴えないものでしたよ

>>68124601
It's pretty much a standard i-adj.

冴えない自分を殺してくれ

>>68116402
Beautiful OP

>>68124601
That can be used regarding the word related to the ability.
冴えない頭
冴えない論文
冴えない男
And that has also a meaning like 'bad feeling'.
冴えない気分
冴えない天気

>>68124402
You mean you enjoy being a filthy hipster attention whore

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今日もついたちがんばるぞい!

>>68124402
>that many stickers and shit in TK
what the fuck is going on here, he doesn't cover anything nearly advanced enough for you to need to reference his book

So I have a few questions.
Anki is not enough for me, especially when I'm in the mood to grind more.
Admittedly, I don't know how to use it so maybe the whole daily limit crap can be put aside somehow when I'm in the mood to learn a bit more for that day in particular.

Are there any other resources I can use to grind out some words?

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>>68125458

>>68125529
Fucking epic post right there, Muhammad.
Now either answer my question or be quiet.

>>68125604
But he's correct. Reading is the absolute best thing you can do right now.

>>68125604
I did answer your question

If you just want something to grind at everyday go make a runescape account

>>68125269
ついたち is used for the day of calender.
In the case of expression of time, it is いちにち.
Though your expression is very interesting.
That will be popular as internet slang probably.

https://youtu.be/u8HMkkSkxvI?list=PLINFE8v4DOhuWGD30O-2a8oWD5j_uw1Hc


Hina-chan a cute. CUTE!

>>68125674
>>68125684

I plan on reading when I actually know more than the like 20 fucking words, it will be too slow right now.
Believe me, I cannot wait until I can skip right ahead to the reading phase but now is definitely not the time.

>>68125787
Then read Tae Kim

>>68123936
"道路で煎餅みたいになってる軍手" is a meme since we often find them on the road. Though I don't think this occurs especially in Japan.

>>68125762
She doesn't hold a candle to Takepon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iDQJDEtdFI

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>>68126091
Maybe we can finally use the Takepan thread pic I made now that the threads not on /a/ anymore

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Here's a selection of the classic/popular novelists included in the CoR's .txt collection:

https://mega.nz/#F!n8YjCISZ!rCpCw5C2CshqY3Wbq6msMQ

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>>68126091
i'll fite u irl

is it okay to use english translated VNs as reference if I don't understand the grammar of a sentence or is that a crutch that will hinder me?

>>68126860
If you're really bad then sure, but you'll wanna get out of the habit as soon as possible

>>68126860
I used the official Yotsuba translation when I was just starting and turned out fine. Anything that makes input comprehensible is helpful. You just need to take it with a giant grain of salt considering that many translations are terrible.

>>68126860
As anon^ said here it's happened that I'd have whatever translation of something available in case I don't understand what I'm reading.

I only do this after having tried of course. Often I can read what I'm reading fine but don't make sense out of it, so sometimes translations help in that regard. Too often though they're just plain wrong. Don't make this a bad habit though.

>>68126968
>>68127119

yeah I've been playing through steins;gate and have noticed that the english translation is pretty different sometimes

>Checking through "Remembering the Kanji"
>It doesn't even tell you the japanese name for the shit it's showing
The fuck is the point then? Why doesn't he just throw the Jap word next to the English meaning?

Like for 'eight' he doesn't mention anywhere that it's 'hachi', for example.
Why the fuck is this allowed? Who the fuck is this shit aimed at, why wouldn't I want to know the fucking Jap pronunciation as well?

Fuck this shit.

>>68126860
what >>68127119 said
>You just need to take it with a giant grain of salt considering that many translations are terrible.
I could barely read Japanese but found many mistakes and wrong translations when reading a manga I've read in English and German before.

I mean if you have no idea what the sentence means, okay.
But please make sure you understand it in Japanese after that.

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>>68126038
いや、多分それは、軍手ではなく
「猫煎餅」

>>68127378
it's pretty much a scheme to force you to buy the second part

>>68127576
And an English dictionary since Heisig's vocabulary is about 500 years out of date

>>68126038
>>68127535
Oh nice thanks.
So you could use 煎餅になった as a euphemism for roadkill?
Why 煎餅 though?

https://ghostbin.com/paste/m85xc
Thoughts?

>>68128332

no wordwrap?

If somebody says "私はそのショーが大好き," is "私もショーが大好き" an appropriate response or would using その or この be necessary?

Be honest, is it a good idea to write down kanji a couple of times as you're learning them or not?
Does it actually, legitimately help or what?

>>68128466
If you're going to leave stuff out then just 私も大好き would suffice surely.

>>68128466
「私も」 is enough.
How would you respond to that in english? Would you repeat the whole phrase or just say "Me too"?

>>68128466
The shorter you make it the more natural it is
"私も好き"
"私も"

>>68128547
Of course it helps with retention, the argument is whether it's worth the time required

>>68128451
気になれない

Also, maybe I was too laconic; this >>68128332 is the log of a conversation I just had with a mod on IRC regarding DJT. Please read and comment.

>>68128332
Good try. Sadly I still think the mods are beyond reason and Hiro is the only hope, if someone can just get him talking.

>>68128579
>>68128566
>>68128565

Okay, but let's say I'm replying to two different things at once and reiterating "ショー" so that the other person knows which thing I'm referring to. Is it correct to state it that way in that case?

>>68128332
>>68128632
Mods don't seem to be willing to do jack shit, huh?
Where's the one responsible for moving DJT over here, anyway? Is the only way anything gets done here when some rogue anonymous mod throws a fit? From the way this guy is replying to you you'd think he's got nothing to do with the website.

>>68128332
While I'm glad he took the time to talk I was annoyed at him constantly redirecting the conversation to "you can make a website instead!".

That's not what we want, we were born on 4chan's /a/ and want to stay there because we personally associate with the kind of people who browses there. How is it so hard to understand? It boggles my mind that mods themselves can't understand something as simple as that. No one wants an external website, like you (or the anon in there) said the website would just die off eventually as no new fresh blood would be coming in.

The translation thing is also a huge misunderstanding. I get it a lot of us were desperate and tried to appeal by saying we were translating shits - this is not entirely true. True a lot of us ended up translating things but it was by ourselves after having gained experience through DJT's help in learning Japanese, none of this was a group effort.

>>68128766
No, ショー is generic
If the other person said そのショー then you also say そのショー

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>>68128685
>>68128804
>>68128817
Thanks for the input, I'll copypaste your replies at him when he comes back, so if you have anything else to say, now's the time.

Btw, I messaged all the mods who were online at the time (pic related). ALTERNATIVE said he wasn't up to par on the situation and therefore couldn't comment; the others didn't reply.

Fuck sake, so I was wondering why I always hear that learning Kanji is difficult, because at first glance, it seemed piss easy to me, and I generally have a shit memory.
Then I see this Onyomi & Kunyomi shit. For fuck sake, you piece of shit japs, why are you doing this?

Do I seriously have two learn both fucking pronunciations for each kanji? Seriously? Can I not get away with learning one?

>>68129182
If I had to add anything, I would like to say that DJT had its faults too and the overall quality of the thread wasn't what it was one year ago for example. From my perspective the biggest problem were a handful of shitposters (you perfectly know which ones) who completely shat up the thread with meaningless shitposts and overall passive-aggressive and toxic behavior. As far as I know none of them ever got punished and even if they did they'd just pop up the next day as if nothing happened.

I'm not playing hypocrite either though, in a sense improving the overall quality of DJT is also a common effort. If DJT were to go back to /a/ I believe we would need to learn from this whole situation as to not allow the same mistakes to happen again as I don't believe the situation is black & white. If DJT were to go back it shouldn't be in the exact same form as it was before. Our guides and all should remain, but the content of the thread should definitely be more /a/ related and definitely abide by /a/'s rule.

A good example are the couple raw manga threads that have popped up these past few weeks. Those threads have been amazing and of great quality, and this is exactly the kind of quality DJT should've been striving for; not /int/-tier shitposts and blogposts, because in this case it seems we do deserve to having ended up here.

You're free to copy paste as much as you'd like, if you don't like my post feel free to ignore it.

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>>68129182
yournamehere responded to my query last week, here's his thoughts on DJT.
It's very interesting that despite asking users to message him on IRC and being the person who killed our threads, Kami has never responded to our messages.

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>>68129595
He gave me some boilerplate a while ago and ignored my next reply.

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>>68128284
煎餅は餅を焼いて作る菓子だが、多くは薄い形状をしている。
交通事故で潰されて薄くなった猫の遺体を、例えて、
猫煎餅というが、婉曲的な意味合いより直接的なイメージ。
漫画やアニメでは、さらに風で舞うことの連想で
ヒラヒラというオノマトペを伴うことが多い。

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>>68129273
Don't memorize all the readings, memorize vocab. Then you'll naturally be able to recognize the different pronunciations. There are kanji that don't use all of their readings/it's uncommon and there are some that use readings that aren't even listed.

>>68129273
In words, each kanji has the following three attributes:
- meaning
- pronunciation
- appearance

While the appearance of a kanji is not as directly linked to its pronunciation as, say, an English word is to its pronunciation, it (the kanji's appearance) still provides some amount of hint as to how the kanji is pronounced. So don't imagine yourself having to perfectly memorize every single symbol to be able to tell how it's pronounced.
For instance, 補 舗 捕 哺 all have the same onyomi.
Also, 責 積 績
You get the idea.

Meaning is tougher. You'll need to learn vocab and see it in context in order to grasp the meaning of a kanji. Unlike pronunciation, though, meaning is less precise most of the time, and isn't actually necessary in order to read a word.

In words of Chinese origin individual kanji also usually have another kanji to accompany them. If you know a word and its meaning, but do not have a full grasp on the kanji in the word - take for example the word 成績 - let's say you know 成, but not 績 - here you can guess the reading of 績 from its radical, read the word as せいせき, which let's say you know from anime or whatever, and make some kind of connection between the kanji 績 and the meaning of the word 成績. This is how reading improves your 漢字力.

It's not as bad as people like to make it out to be. The system works great in practice even if learning it is relatively tough.

>>68129592
I think because it's a 'Japanese' thread it attracted a lot of people who weren't interested in /a/ related content. I've seen multiple times people confidently saying that /djt/ isn't /a/ and it just happened to be there. Having a raw manga thread does fix that. I wish people wouldn't be so anal and include VNs and LNs as well. And to also let people ask/answer questions about the language.

>>68129848
I'd be fine with the raw thread but it is indeed too limited in its current state and keeps dying if an anon isn't around to bump it every now and then.

>>68129592
>You're free to copy paste as much as you'd like, if you don't like my post feel free to ignore it.
Your post is pretty spot-on and I agree with everything you said, but regardless, I'll copypaste every single reply in its entirety for the sake of fairness and impartiality. I'm not DJT's official representative or anything like that, just an average anon who had some time to kill.

I'm talking to kami now.

>>68129595
this is what refugees must feel like.

>>68129707
わかりやすい説明ありがとうございます

>>68129965
頑張れ!
信じてるよ!

>>68129848
If they insist on killing DJT then just change it to that. It's not like the raw threads have any history on /a/. Forget about having DJT on /int/, take the raw threads and turn it into raw anime-related material discussion or whatever.

Don't you dare come back to to /a/.

>>68129965
>>68130164
Eh.

[19:44] <anon14216431> Hello, I would like to ask you a question about DJT (Daily Japanese Thread), which was recently moved from /a/ to /int/. Is there any particular reason why you feel it's more appropriate for /int/ than /jp/?
[22:02] <kami`> A mod post has been made on /qa/ that reflects the team's sentiments on the matter
[22:07] <anon14216431> Can I reiterate a few points that I raised to another mod here earlier?
[22:11] <kami`> no Ive seen them already
[22:12] <anon14216431> And I suppose you have nothing to say about them...?
[22:15] <kami`> The issue has already been decided at hiro's behest. There is nothing more to discuss.
[22:17] <anon14216431> Oh well, thanks anyway.

>>68130211
>Forget about having DJT on /int/
If it comes to this yes this is definitely what people should be doing.

If you people want to be back on /a/ you simply have to browse it. If you people do not wish to be on /int/ then simply stop browsing it. DJT as it was ending doesn't have to be end per se, it can also be a chance to rebirth in a fresher and better way; it's just a name after all, just 3 letters.

If you like dwelling on /int/ then you have nothing to complain about, stay there and having being an /int/ resident.

>>68130308
What a narcissist faggot. Of course there is more to discuss, otherwise we wouldn't all be posting about this matter right now.

>>68130211
It seems like that's what the other generals such as buyfag and /ai/ are doing. Wording a thread in such a way so that it doesn't get deleted.

>>68130308
What a faggot.

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>>68130308
kami` バンザイ~

>>68130321
To me as long as I can talk about raw material and the language with the same like-minded people then I'm okay. This transition is pretty awkward though.

>>68130256
Why the fuck do people even care if DJT is on /a/? It doesn't even spill on other threads.

>>68130308
Well there you go. Go take the raw threads then, let shitty /int/ threads die. In the end all you need is a place to discuss material in japanese and ask questions. If the discussion and questions are about raw anime related content they have no reason to get rid of it.

>>68130308
Wow what a cunt.

>>68130308
Alright, we have to be realistic here. At least for now, there's no way to get DJT back in its original form. I'm sad about it, we all are, but it can't be helped.

I would rather the Raw Manga Thread than staying here. So I propose we move to that thread, abandon this one, and make posts related to Japanese in it. This means we'll have to be less offtopic, but a certain amount of Japanese discussion as it pertains to anime/manga will probably be allowed.

See you there

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>>68130308
>[22:07] <anon14216431> Can I reiterate a few points that I raised to another mod here earlier?
>[22:11] <kami`> no Ive seen them already

Holy shit. Is he 12?

Where are we going to hide the guide?

>>68130501
You can probably create an OP along the lines of "raw thread: lets discuss raw anime/manga and other related material and ask questions about the prose in such material"

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>>68130308
What an utter manchild he is.

>>68130527
The new buyfag thread has a guide in its OP? So probably a link to a guide without DJT in the name is okay? Although the mods do have it in for us, so maybe not.

>>68130527
We could post it if someone asks where to start, or if they have a grammar question or something.

>>68130527
"If you need help understanding what you're reading go here".
Put it in japanese, they can't read it anyway.

>>68130578
I don't think you need to clarify that questions are okay. Just ask them and people will eventually get the hang of it.

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>>68130614
>Put it in japanese, they can't read it anyway.
Neither would the beginners

>>68130527
We don't have to hide anything.

If everyone here wishes to go back to on /a/, then follow what Venezuela anon and I have been saying these past 30min or so. Simply gather in a "Untranslated/raw materials" thread and let us start off from zero.

>>68130211
>>68130475
>>68129592

I will repeat myself, it needs to be clear in everyone's mind : if you do not wish to be on /int/, then stop and browse /a/. No one is forced to continue making threads here on /int/ or post in it. But if, IF, you indeed like to blogpost and shitpost, then please be honest with yourselves and say it : I belong to /int/. This is as simple. The only relevant problems I'm seeing here is having to rename our websites from "djt" to something else like "raw", that's all.

This is what I had been saying a few weeks ago. I came back today to see how things were going and also because I was saddened to see how inactive the raw manga thread was.

Also this. >>68130501

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>>68127378
Okay no seriously, should I really be wasting my time with this book?
I looked it up and apparently this way of saying 'I' is fucking ancient and only really seen in old media for the most part.

>>68128332
>mods cry about generals becoming circlejerks
>tries to suggest we make DJT an actual circlejerk

I don't get it. Why would a mod spend nearly an hour talking to me (actually talking, and not just reading my messages and going "uh-huh") if "the team" has already reached a consensus?

>>68130807
I'm a pro RTK autist.

RTK is great but you need to study it in order using Koohi and Jisho alongside for more and different English keywords and to check the readings. You also need to follow what Heisig tells you regarding how to write kanji and write all new kanji at least 5-10 times.

Do 10-25 kanji a day. That's it.

>>68130857
Some mods (asan) actually care about their community. Some clearly don't.

>>68130807
It's just a book for memorizing kanji by brute force and mnemonics.
Some of his choices are questionable. Personally I think that you need vocab to properly grasp kanji, but also that separately studying kanji is still a good idea.
Don't want to read that particular book? Don't bother.

>>68130857
We all don't get it either, but that's how it is. Now it's time to realize things can't go back to how they were and time to start anew learning from this whole experience.

Let's be honest, DJT as it was in its last days on /a/ was shit, the funny thing is the day before it got deleted I remember thinking to myself "I should abandon this thread, only reason I stay is because of a dozen of good anons".

Let us have a "raw materials" thread or something and make it a norm over /a/. This would be 100% on-topic, there's nothing that could happen to us, and good things are, it'd filter all the bad sides DJT had.

You just need to take first step anon. That's how 4chan has always been, and this is what the kind mod that took the time to talk you earlier tried to make you understand : the possibilities are countless, you just need to act and do it. Let DJT go, it's dead, come with us on /a/.

guess we can just shitpost here instead, probably a good idea to link this DJT thread in the raw manga thread if people don't know.

The problem with a raw manga or raw anything specific is there is not that much to be talking about or too many people in the first place which is why DJT was great as it combined all that into one thread that would actually stay alive so you could come in and ask your questions

>>68131041
This thread should die and people should stay on topic instead of shitposting.
It's not difficult.

>>68131176
-> >>68130578 >>68130614
At first it might be slow but it's normal, after a while a newborn community will emerge things will run more smoothly than the current raw threads. I believe something new like this needs time to shape itself up.

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>>68129595
Kami actually replied to me all the times I contacted him about DJT.
He was very roundabout, pushing some generic "the team will discuss the necessary measures" talk like >>68129661 . So yeah, no use in contacting him anyway.
Won't post logs because that's the reason mods don't even want to talk to people in the first place.

By the way, all the other mods ignored me, even the ones I contacted more than once, in different dates. I even message Hiro once to check his fucking inbox or /qa/, but I can't tell whether or not he bothered to.

If not even the boss cares, there's nothing we can do except some sperg raid. And I'd rather spend my time with something productive, like learning Japanese.

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After 1 year of studying, I finally took the j-cat for the first time.
I tried a few times before but the site didn't let me take the test because my internet is bad. This time I could take it but more than half of the listening questions couldn't load properly and were skipped, but I'm confident I 100% the ones that did.

Post j-cat scores.

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>>68132253
I want to take it again as preparation for the N2 this Sunday.
Its been a few months since I've last taken it, and I always slacked on my reading. No idea what I'd be at now.

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>/a/
>ctrl +f djt
>0 results

なぜ

>>68132336
極めて簡単だ
不適切だから

>Friend tells me grammar is easy
>It's completely going over my head.

Okay hold the fucking phone for a moment.
Just tell me, is this always the case.

じゃない = is not
だった = was
じゃなかった = was not

Do those phrases always mean what I've just wrote? If so, then perhaps I'll actually be able to make some progress here. If not then I'm just not understanding this at all, which will be awful.

I guess here we can prove once and for all that 妹から日本そしてははっさい。

>>68132336
>frogposter
>imgur filename
See, this is why exiling DJT from /a/ was a good thing.

>>68132490
pretty much
bad news you might be stupid though

(゜д゜)おっぱい

>>68129592
I dont think DJT can go back to /a/, it would just be filled with people false flagging to get it deleted or turning it into dubs thread.
Hopefully it eventually gets moved to /jp/

Why did this get removed from /a/ but that secret santa trash was allowed to stay? It's nothing but /soc/ tier garbage.

>>68133201
I'm genuinely curious about this. I don't understand why the other generals are still there but djt isn't. What's their excuse? There isn't a good one.

>>68133270
>What's their excuse?
it stopped being directly /a/ related
that's why raw manga/anime translation threads are allowed but a general thread for learning a language isn't

>>68133270
It is still there. It's just our new disguise is so good it even fooled you.

今日も
自殺日和だね

>>68133362
I meant their excuse for keeping other non /a/ related generals like secret santa.

>>68133451
>non /a/ related generals like secret santa.
You young'uns need to learn to respect tr/a/dition.

>>68120889
>I wish I could apply for this stuff, but I neither have a useful degree (like STEM) nor want to do something useless like "Japanese Studies".

You don't need STEM to go to Japan I don't think

A computer science bachelor's degree gets you into Japan on an engineering work visa.

"Japanese Studies" isn't a useless category either. If you work for an international company, a japanese studies venture can net you a transfer to their japanese work branch.

Maybe you should do what i'm doing anon? Forget about getting a nip degree, but do post-graduate study in Japan. You have the best chance of getting a scholarship that way.

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I started 3 months ago. Is it possible to pass N2 next year?

>>68133788
no

>>68133788
lol that's like thousands of words my friend, not even including grammar

>>68133823
>>68133925
It's not possible even if you have a year to prepare?

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この画像に読めば、N4が合格できるよ。

>>68133788
you'll need about 5000 words and all the grammar in Tae Kim's guide. You can if you learn 13 words a day plus read the grammar guide. cramming 13 words a day won't be easy though until your better with grammar so you can actually use them. I'd say 2 years is more reasonable and only if you study every day.

>>68133969
その画像がでたとき

いつでもちゃんと直せる

おにいちゃんがすき

>>68133964
You can do it in a year. just have to dedicate alot of time to it.

>>68133987
I have winter break to just focus on the guide and to read.

>>68134074
How much time is dedicated time? I find language learning fun so i dedicate most of my free time to it.

>>68134140
That's up to you, it all depends on your ability to learn and retain. 1 year is not a long time in language learning.

>>68134140
you might be able to familiarize yourself with the basics, but to memorize all the rules will take longer. also, being able to read/hear the grammar fast without stopping and thinking about it takes a lot of practice.

>>68133034
here is a song I think we both enjoy, 我が友よ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JYq9Bcz1Nw

>>68134261
>>68134376
Ok, i'll just do what i'm doing and asses where i'm at by october next year. Thanks for the replies

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>>68132253
This was mine after almost a year

>>68134038
You forgot to upload your imouto.jpg image

I know this is a hard (or maybe even impossible) question to answer but...
Can anybody tell me, on average, how much Japanese I'd need to learn to play games that aren't overly text heavy? Your average JRPG for example, think Final Fantasy or whatever.

Obviously I'm only expecting a rough answer here, but I'd like to know the minimum that would be required of me to play through stuff like that with a moderate amount of ease.

>>68134656
けはいはかんぜんにけしていたはずなのに

くっおさまれあたしのひだりうで

>>68134664
let me put it this way, you need to know a good amount of japanese to even be able to understand pokémon

>>68134749
isnt pokemon for kids, or do they not care about the amount of kanji

>>68133788
Heh I see your new to learning Japanese, kid. I was like you once, thinking I could learn Japanese in a year. "It's totally possible if I study hard every day" I thought. Well let me tell you something... it's not possible. "But getfluentin6weeks.com says it is possible" is what your probably thinking right now. Don't listen to getfluentin6weeks guy. He is a delusional idiot. In fact, don't even try to learn Japanese. You will wake up 8 years later like me. Nowhere near N1 level yet you will have invested so much time that you don't want to quit either. you'll lose your friends when they find out how much of a weeb you are. You won't be any closer to marrying a beautiful nipponjin girl. you won't be able to get a job with what little Japanese you know since all the other people who have been doing this since they were a kid will have taken all the jobs already. when I look at you kid, I see a whole lot of potential. I see an astronaut, a doctor, a scientist. you can be anything. you can make the world a great place. but you can't learn Japanese.

>>68134763

Pokemon is all kana. That can make it even harder for a beginner to read in some respects because unless you have pretty much instant recognition of words you end up in a jumble of kana soup.

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>>68132253
I sure hope I can pass the N1 this Sunday I'm really nervous

>>68134458
>>68133788
It's definitely possible, but listening could be tough. You need to actually actively practice listening. In that case even N1 might be possible but you'd have to target it quite a bit, and this is assuming you are studying 3-4 hours a day.

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>>68134812
>Pokemon is all kana
I don't think the new ones are

>>68135097
I go a English-Japanese meet-up once a week and try to watch anime without subs despite my relative beginner status.

>>68122631
Add sentences to this and with a little layout rearrangement, done.
https://mega.nz/#!EMQRBa4C!o8o5g1SAVQcA9L3kxcidgLkpFAowt2q5sUju_pNfKuE

>>68135217

Well that is interesting, not only does it add kanji but it also changes some of the words as well.

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Wew.

>>68135434
I find the N2 and N3 practise questions easy as fuck and I doubt I've spent anywhere near 1600 hours studying (except the 2000 hours of subbed anime)

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>>68135434
gee i never wasted time before

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>>68135491
tfw could be fluent now

>That feeling after reading for a couple of weeks and it finally clicks inside of you the language you're trying to learn.

Feelsgoodman

>>68135283
>I go a English-Japanese meet-up once a week
Kinda nice but almost completely useless in terms of passing the JLPT

> try to watch anime without subs despite my relative beginner status.

You need intensive listening if you want to get anywhere quickly. That means training on short bits of information (medium length sentences) with high comprehension. Take advantage of subs2srs or similar things. Watch nihongonomori and such.

It might also be a good idea to take any JLPT prep listening material you can find, break it into sentence length segments with audacity, and make flashcards with that. But it might not be worth the time compared to just using subs2srs.

>>68132490
No, じゃない means isn't that the case?

>tfw N1 on Sunday and you've done nothing but Chinese for the last 4 months.

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>>68132253
This was after 3 months of core6k and some anime

>>68135724
>some anime
>some

Is JLPT only japanese proficiency exam for foreigner? or you guys try other tests as well?

>>68135724
みみのいいおにいちゃんは

すぐにできるようになるよ

がんばっておにいちゃん

>>68135761
>>68135724
Ah there's other one

>>68134966
Why is it taking so long to open J-Cat page?

>>68135783
As far as I know JLPT is the only one really widely accepted, whereas that one >>68135724 is mainly used by a few universities for placement tests. Also there's this thing https://avantassessment.com/stamp4s.html which has several languages and seems fairly hard at the advanced level but I only heard of it recently.

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>>68116443
>using a webm for this from now on instead of the superior png version
何で

>check LN I want to buy on amazon.jp
>900円
>check it on amazon.fr
>17€
What the hell?

>>68135944
someone called it the weeb tax

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>>68118732
I'm learning Japanese BECAUSE of the Olympics.
I have just four years to study; I shouldn't slack off much. Besides, learning this language is really fun.

Oh yeah, and ものべの。

>>68135944
don't know about france but
shipping from japan to the US on amazon is ￥1500
do the math

>>68118732
You would better worrying that your life will become literally useless in 12 years

>>68136035
What do you mean?

>>68136003
Last time I did it was 900 yen.

>>68136085
i probably accidentally added the price of the book then

This は、も、が shit in the Tae Kim grammar section is killing me. I don't know what the fuck the difference is between them despite him explaining it.
Well I do, sort of, but only in the examples he gave I suppose. If I had to include them in my own example it would almost definitely be wrong.

>>68135982
>I'm learning Japanese BECAUSE of the Olympics.
Why would someone do that?

I really don't understand normal people.

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You know, it might sound weird but... I'm kinda glad /djt/ is here now. It seems like the retards that reside solely on /a/ haven't been able to follow us here. The thread hasn't been as trolly.

Sure, /int/ is full of weirdos. But at least we can't smell them through the internet. And there's no 12 year olds having a bitchfit about which style of learning is better knowing damn well they're just arguing 4 tha lulz

>>68136286
I hope you realize the sad irony of your post.

>>68136197
Guess people like that aren't really looking for Japan, but rather for an international melting pot.
Could have come to Brazil this year, but whoever wants their head chopped on a silly trip?

Speaking of which, going to Japan after the Olympics sounds cool - the whole thing will be shrinking back and not much will be going on in terms of tourism, I figure.
Or maybe on the other hand the international raid on Japan will leave scars and whoever shows up late for the party will take all the blame for whito piggu.

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>>68136321
I mean... lol.
>>>/a/150431645

This is you, isn't it?

>>68136408
Absolutely not, what the hell.

うんどうしたいんだけど

なにうんどうしたらいいのかな

ちょっとおなかがぽっこ…

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>>68136511
れっつ・ぷれい・てにす

>>68136035
You're going to have to elaborate

>>68136600
ひらがななぜ

>>68136635
びかうずあいふぇるとらいくいっと

>>68136742
ああ、あいあんでるすたんどなうまいふれんど
さんきゅーふぉあえんらいとにんぐみー

>>68136035
>your life will become literally useless in 12 years
for people like me i think its said 既に

青出于蓝而胜于蓝

出藍

面白い

>download anime
>it's hardsubbed in chinese
shinitai

Type in ここ on google maps and show what you get.

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>Spent a fair few hours of my day dedicated to this shit.
>Feel like I've learned barely anything of value.

I've learned some numbers, 一つ to 九つ, kanji for days of the week, some random shitty words and kanji like 水.
How long before I surpass what a 10 year old knows? This is suffering.

>>68136035
>muh singularity

>>68136980
Why do you want to know where I live? Could you possibly have some kind of affiliation with the FBI?

>>68136987
>Spent a fair few hours
>fair
>few hours
Easy to see where the problem is. Also, you will never surpass a native speaker. Keep that in mind.

>>68137034
>you will never surpass a native speaker
There are many different kinds of native speakers

>>68136987
Have you setup anki yet?

>>68137044
You will never surpass a native speaker that attended at least middle school, that's for sure.

>>68136600
スコートのしたには

なにをはくべきですか

>>68136987
Learning the days of the week was the worse thing I've ever done.
Barely see it too, fuck them.

>>68137072
Yes.
So far I know hiragana, katakana, and the shit I mentioned in my other post basically and that's about all. It's nice knowing katakana, it gives me the illusion that I'm decent because I can read some random Touhou music names.

That was my second Anki session done basically.
I tried doing some grammar but I dunno, it went over my head a bit so maybe I should leave that be for now.

I just wanted a good japanese learning ebook to read on my kindle. reading on a pc is too tiring.

>>68137074
There's no point in arguing about it since neither of us has anything to back up what we insist, but I genuinely don't think that's true.
I have no doubt there are people out there who can dedicate themselves seriously to a foreign language for a few decades who would by all means be ahead of a native middle schooler, or a native adult who hasn't seriously read anything since compulsory education.

>>68137109
そりゃスパッツに決まってる

>>68137129
>That was my second Anki session done basically.
Give it a month. The beginning is always the hardest part. I'm >>68133788 and natives are always surprised when i tell them that i only started in september.

>>68137129
I've hardly studied grammar on its own but it's coming along for me. Japanese grammar is very structural and formulaic for the most part.

>>68137135

Tae Kim is on the Amazon store for a few dollars, worth it since it displays well on Kindle and he earned a few shekels in support of his work.

>>68137201
Good to hear good to hear.
Do you just use Anki daily and that's all, or do you study using other resources as well? If so, would you mind telling me what other things you use?

Oh and at the level you're at now, can you comfortably read manga / play games in Japanese without much issue or is that still a problem?

>>68137213
I'll probably give it another whirl in the future. I think having some kanji under my belt will do me some good.

>>68130578
Fuck off, don't bait /int/ rejects into trashing up the raw manga thread like they have been.

>>68125339
he's a deutschbag, english, such as that book is mostly written in, isnt his first language, and is going to seriously screw up his accent and grammar in the long run.

>>68136987
Learning foreign language is like being an eternal 10 year old in the country where the language is spoken.
You would never be an adult in Japanese, and the same goes for me in English.

>>68137289
not the guy you're replying to, but

>Do you just use Anki daily and that's all
it's impossible to learn japanese by just using anki
anki should always be secondary to exposure

>comfortably read
w

>>68137344
>being an eternal 10 year old
Maybe if you got complacent and stopped doing anything productive after 10 months flat
Fuck, do people really think learning foreign languages is this colossally difficult? Have you ever met an immigrant before? guess that's a tough one if you're japanese

>>68137344
Nah man English is easy. You just need constant exposure.

>>68137344
What son?

If anything, learning Japanese has made me lose some respect for the fabled polyglot. It's really not that fucking hard, it just takes a lot of time and effort.

I already know a fair amount of French from high school. If I wanted to I know I could become fluent in French quite easily... it's so simple compared to Japanese and I am able to learn this cunt of a language.

>>68137289
To be completely honest, i'm currently taking jp 1 in uni and it's unbearably slow so i started doing anki at a rate of 25-30 words a day. You absolutely need to supplement it with grammar study. It's essential that you go through some resource like taekim/genki/etc.

I don't game at all so i can't comment on that but i do read manga and i can somewhat comfortably read sol romance and such. This is coming from someone that tried to go at them blindly with just a dictionary without any sort of Japanese study at all because i was too impatient to wait for scanlators.

Other things i do include chatting with Japanese friends everyday (that i've met through hellotalk), posting on lang-8 and skype. I also live in LA where there are plently of Japanese people but i feel that you end up using English as a crutch with them that's why i go at length to find some poor sap that doesn't speak a lick of English online.

>>68137201
I'm glad someone here is sharing in the anki suffering with me even if we are studying different languages

>>68137472
>I could become fluent in French quite easily
Haha no.
If it weren't for kanji I'd say French is harder than Japanese.

>>68137472
>If anything, learning Japanese has made me lose some respect for the fabled polyglot.
Same here. After i can read genji monogatari, i want to learn more languages since it wasn't as impossible as i once thought.

>>68137506
are you the guy learning fucking chinese
go back to your chinese thread

>>68137535
yes
no
俺のチンコをしゃぶれ

>>68137414
>Maybe if you got complacent and stopped doing anything productive after 10 months flat
??????
I meant my comment to him in a positive way. so, I meant "Don’t work too hard, take it easy."
I don't know why some posters seem a little bit angry???

>>68137638
He isn't angry.
Misinterpreting things must be a japanese thing.

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将来日本で働きたいですから日本人彼女を探しています

何処で探すの方がいいですか?

教えてください!

>>68137638
>Learning foreign language is like being an eternal 10 year old
>You would never be an adult in Japanese
お前なあ、、

>>68137677
最寄りの小学校

>>68137686
じゃべってみたら実際そんなもんだよ。

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>>68137716
>じゃべって
しゃべって?

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>>68136858
青は藍より出でて藍より青し
出藍の誉れとも云う
>>68137109
バカには見えないぱんちゅ

>>68137750
あーごめんタイピングミスしちゃった

I know what it means, but where does the word DQN (ドキュン) come from? Is it Sino-Japanese (if so, kanji?), or what?

>>68137781
google it baka

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>>68137771
ドンマイ

>>68137344
Only monolinguals believe this, all it takes is time and effort.
Dont put foreign languages in a pedestal.

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If Core is theoretically sorted by frequency on newspapers, how come similar words derived from the same kanji are always introduced simultaneously?

>>68137959
『optimized』

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>>68137959
drop core now it's a mistake

>>68137959
Don't do optimized. Learning by similar kanji just ends up making everything less memorable.

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>>68138009
>now
>already at 7k

>>68137999
Well, I thought DJT loved to whine about how impossible it is to learn similar words in a row. But that makes sense, they probably group a few words together --
I was writing this reply when >>68138028 showed up.
Well done, everyone.

>>68138041
>7k
尚更だ

>>68137957
Really? Do you speak English as well as the British and Americans do in a debate in person?
If so, you are really great. I will look up to you.

>>68138180
You implied being "10 years old", I don't think that's how things work. I have zero conversational experiences but I bet I can speak better than a child about any subject.

I might lack the grammatical dexterity, the speed at which words come to mind, but I have a wider grasp of how the world works and what ideas I want to conceive - I am certain a lot of stuttering would happen, but I am also certain any adult would much rather hold a conversation with me than with a 10 years old.

Actually, scratch that, I know you are all lolicons.

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i would rather have a conversation with hachikuji than a real nihonjin

>>68138340
Hachikuji is a real [spoiler]2D[/spoiler] nihonjin

>>68138340
どこのにほん?

モモ肉とムネ肉は別の肉としてかんがえてね

>>68138283
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
I'm not that kind of person by the way.

>>68137959
Delete core and just read + mine

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I am stinky laughing here.

>>68138456
I think this advice is a bit flawed. It would be a lot easier to read in the first place if you did core, at least until 500 words.