/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3118876

Pls help

>>3118988
by my inexperienced eye I see too little difference of values between the trees

>>3118996
You're right. Didn't see that before. I checked another piece I did and it had the same problem. I will post a new painting soon

>>3118990
Cranium too small

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Am I doing this right?

>>3119015
actually yes it looks decent. looks like she holds weight and form, but what pose is she doing? looks natural though, just awkward

the calfs probably too big though

>>3119017
ok for a gesture, but even still too inaccurate for that.

>>3119017
n e c c

>>3119018
I just tried to do a generic contrapposto, like a greek statue or whatever

>>3118990
finally fix that shit goodness.

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Feet again. Can't stop won't stop.

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More feet.

>>3119035
the most bizarre method of construction i have seen
it doesnt look like 3d space so its probably bad

>>3119036
well it looks like it works as far as I can tell

>>3119036
I had the same thoughts too. I had a little trouble comprehending how these flat shapes somehow translated as 3d objects, so I just assumed that the person who created these had it in their mind already to begin with.

>>3119037
its ok, does it have the potential for higher accuracy?

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>>3119041
Well it does seem like a rather simple method, it might need help constructing how the foot connects to the lower leg

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>>3119039
>I had a little trouble comprehending how these flat shapes somehow translated as 3d objects

Nigga...

>>3119053
Compare this method to >>3119035
One uses organic forms and the other doesn't.

>>3119054
with the two triangles being next to each other in >>3119033 on the bottom right, I wouldn't have guessed
that's why it's strange to me

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anyone here know how i could improve my gesture drawing? these are all 30 sec

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tips?

>>3119150
He's too skinny lengthwise. Use a reference.

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>>3119150
His head + neck is pretty big compared to the rest of his body and the torso seems big compared to the hands. The hand outstretched is usually as big as the bottom of the chin to the hairline, though this depends on age

>>3119151
>>3119156
tnx senpai,

got any tips on finding good references?

>>3119159
Google, a mirror or those virtual modelling softwares.

>>3119053
These doesn't look like construction, wouldn't they be more akin to "abstraction"? Such as the Reilly method?

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halp

what the fukk am i doin

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>>3119208

>>3119209
You made his face look wider. Also... It looks too tilted. And his hair looks too... Voluminously upward?

I'm not sure if I can give you this advice but when I copy from portraits I measure stuffs autistically with plumb lines/outward angles like Bargue. I get great results from it but it's pretty slow and tiresome. It works, but /ic/ tells me that it's autistic.

Granted my level of eyeballing isn't that accurate so I do it. I don't know if there's a better method but doing observational studies rely on relative proportions so...

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>>3118545
here is what i drew today. sorry that the teeth are in more detail than the rest but It got boring.
and forgive me for copying the way >>3118344 drew but I admire it and wanted to try it.
Please give criticism it is appreciated

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>>3119250
source

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>>3119150
Better anatomy?

>>3119258
Really no. You have great lineart but you need to do a lot more gestures.

>>3119258
Specifically the limbs look a bit funky and loose without as much energy as I think that the movement would naturally require.

>>3119258
if you're graced with self awareness please consider creating comic strips. these are so funny. not meant in a demeaning way

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Kill me now

>>3119269
Have you tried actually reading loomis?

>>3119273
Yes hence the construction I'm trying to do

>>3119275
Which plate are you at?

>>3119283
I've been trying to practise the stuff at plate 1-2. Haven't really moved on since my drawings are still horseshit

>>3119286
Keep reading.

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Some cube practice which turned into something else.
I guess i'll start cylinders then.

>>3119301
I really think that these kinds of advice isn't good for newbies, especially not this Loomis book since it's badly organised; he/she is obviously stuck because they are doing the exercise badly. Making them go further will fuck up their foundations if they can't manage to understand how the most basic of the exercises works. Doing shit that they don't even know why they're doing them may lead them internalising bad habits.

It's like in maths, don't play with algebra before mastering arithmetics or you'll be in for a tough time.

>>3119286
Anon, the point is not to copy 1-1 of the plates. Plate 1 tells you how and why to construct the head from the ball and then the crosspoint, then how the middle line extends through the ball in order to create the chin. It didn't teach you about the facial features placement? Because that's not what you're supposed to do. You're going to learn that later. If Loomis made no comment about it, don't do it.

I assume the reason Loomis put in facial features is because he wanted to showcase you how the ball will be used later on. He always does that and it's confusing a fuck I know. Just a reminder that you should following the text while analysing and copying the plates on the go. If there's no text for a plate? Don't do it and go to the next plate.

>>3119286
So in a way... You overdid it.

If you want more feedback putting in the number of plate you're doing so I can have an easier time checking how well you did. The most essential skill for Loomis' books is actually reading comprehension.

>>3119150
>>3119258
Study anatomy. Hands at a side position stop at about the middle of the thigh.

>>3118982
How do you make yourself draw when you don't want to?

>>3119359
Why would you want to draw if you don't want to? Is it to get good, but to what end?

If you don't find it fun then don't do it; drawing is a hobby. Never forget that if you want to keep it enjoyable.

Some might have more fun drawing while talking to someone, others when they join a group or a challenge, some are more motivated if they had been given a task like an assignment. The answer? It depends.

And drawing mindlessly won't make you improve, so forcing yourself to doodle isn't a good idea.

>>3119367
I used to avoid making drawings cuz I hated the way they turned out. but once is got better and my drawing became "nicer" I really started enjoying drawing

>>3119359
I remind myself failing to improve means I'll never achieve my dreams and be stuck in a dead end job.

>>3119370
Find out the cause of why you're not willing to draw. Is it because you're stagnating in terms of skills/design? Is it because you haven't been given enough attention?

Sometimes when these two happens to me I lose my motivation, I normally regain my motivation when I suddenly gain an inspiration to create; and when those moments do happen they do so spontaneously.

For problem 1, I try to figure out what was wrong with my drawing and try to correct it, sometimes by asking advice/critique and at other times checking in the anatomy reference books (I personally use Goldfinger's book and online references for mistake checking).

Of course, the process isn't always pleasant but once it's done I feel the curse of frustration has been undone.

If I don't do it what happens is a stack of shitty, uncorrected drawing forms by itself, making me feel like crap.

I always remind myself of that, and that in order to avoid that happening, I've made a habit to always learn to correct my own drawings. Of course, I don't do it for every drawings I've made, especially not random doodles but mostly for the serious ones.

Doing this gives me gains and my motivation drops more slowly. Good luck!

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first try in a long time, been doing studies tho
what do you guys think? would like comments on how i can better myself, but i guess i already now the answer.. fundamentals.. proportion especially

>>3119375
Tnx bro, I'm currently loving drawing on my new ipad, so no worries.

but I think >>3119359
should really take a look at that post.

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>>3119380
heres an updated version

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>>3119400
i tried to do a face

>>3119258
Lift your arm over your head and see how far your hand extends away from you.

>>3119367
Not him, but for me most of the time drawing feels like a chore because I hate almost everything I draw. It's disappointing, frustrating and embarrassing, and it can really drain any motivation I have if it goes on for too long. But on the occasion I actually draw something I'm proud of, even if it's just a fluke, it feels amazing. I'm just hoping that I can get past this shitty amateur phase and feel that more often than not.

>>3119388
He's on fire but he doesn't seem to mind

>>3119359
>How do you make yourself draw when you don't want to?
The ability is called "discipline" and it's something you actually train. Motivation is a fluke.
You need it for anything new and unexplored.

>>3119440
Wtf life isn't just fun all the time? Whatever dude

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>>3119250
Here is the next one, this stuff is so boring to paint.
criticism appreciated

>>3119445
I think you should be more thoughtful about picking colour. At first glance it looks way over saturated.
It is okay to guess the colour then colour pick your reference to see how close you are, we are just practicing, it isn't cheating or anything.

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>>3119445
source

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>>3119445
>this stuff is so boring to paint.
Maybe consider making larger, elaborate pieces instead of sticking five small objects together?
I enjoyed grinding out these charcoal drawings for hours in my intro to drawing class, tho that's just me

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>>3119447
why would you do still life from photos? this is one of those instances where drawing from life really is better. get some random fruit and knick knacks from your house and paint that instead.

also, your painting clearly shows a massive lack of patience. those kinds of paintings take many hours, days, weeks even for elite artists. it's not just cell-shading a bottle and calling it done.

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I felt like adding more to this.

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>>3119209

>>3119500
leave /beg/

>>3118990
you're the guy who draws the knife-ear pron right?

>>3119499
looks good imo

>>3119258
aww, he's got little babby arms :D

>>3119346
>>3119436
>>3119517
arms to short?

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>>3119526

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>>3119532
fucking kek

>>3119507
not me

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Last time ill post this I promise lookin for crits specifically on anatomy. Sorry about no arms not done yet.

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>>3119567
Source

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can someone give me some advice how to abs, oblique and serratus better? i always draw whole muscle but i dont know how to make it looks good.

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>>3119597
ref

>>3119597
Shade

>>3119497
How the fuck do you be this good?
>just draw anon
>practice
Cut the bull and tell me.

>>3119517
Don't mock the dwarf. He's like us. He's beautiful.

>>3119515
yes, i posted in here on accident cause i thought it was the new style thread, oops

>>3119580
Do you think we live under a rock. Also you should only be using photos or photorealistic art as reference. Or better yet, life.

>>3119445
Here is my last drawing for today, I went back to doing drawings with no reference again and it's so much more fun
Criticism is appreciated greatly
also how can I make it look like his skin is reflecting in The light of a fire / Oil lamps?
>>3119601
whoa I thought that was a photo

>>3119601
Spend 40 hours on one drawing.

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forgot picture

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where did I go wrong...
>>3119258
^lastwork

>>3119635
I think the blood tank at the back looks a bit off but looks cool though

>>3119620
I get it but this was fun and ive been doing portraits every single time and I wanted to change it up. All work no play and all that thank you though.

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hey its legs and boobs in focus again, what a surprise

>>3119270
Sheeit, that's fucking nice

>>3119601
photo studies, life studies, fundamental learning books, and applying what you learned from your studies by drawing from imagination. do this for many hours (at least 3+ bare fucking minimum) everyday, for about 3-6 years, depending how many hours you choose to do.

that's it. that's how you achieve that. just remember, in your life you've probably done maybe 200 serious drawings, out of those probably 10 serious observational studies. while that artist probably did 5,000 serious drawings, and 1,000 observational studies. that's the only difference between you. fucking draw. a lot.

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How do I prevent chicken scratching and how do I improve my lines?

>>3119497
Holy shit this is a painting. This blows my fucking mind.

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>>3119665
more

>>3119729
Blog?

>>3119735
>Blog?
-blush-
https://www.tumblr.com/blog/tiredfallingcat

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>>3118982
study from h-gals
arm looks bad
crit?

>>3119729
dude get control of your colors. you cant just smash blue all over. only in the shadows or from light sources.

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porn thread is too slow. feedback welcome.

>>3119758
w-what is is?

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>>3119729
final pic before sleep

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Is there anything I could Improve upon my piece

>>3119763
How do I get as good as you?

>>3119743
Chicken scratching. Study parts and study gesture and construction.

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>>3119758
this but being fucked by a unicorn.

Is it hard to read?

>>3119773
ups, meant to >>3119760

>>3119693
think about your line before you make it. ghost. practice drawing with your elbow.

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>>3119763
Your painting is dead. What time of day is it suppose to be? It looks like you made a new layer at 10% opacity and smeared black all over the shadow side of that building. Saturate your colors. Those light sources in the windows need to be really bright. Foreground needs more contrast. Think there is too much atmospheric perspective, it gets foggy really quick. Study how light works from cityscape photographs and hudson river school paintings.

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Any advice??

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>>3119782
Also here's something I colored months ago. Adding color really seems to fuck up my art more, not sure what I need to change.

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>>3119775
This is what I got after trying out some lines, shapes, and a couple mannequins with my elbow

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Am I winning at perspective yet?

>>3119762
>>3119763
>>3119782
>>3119783
>any advice
You can start off by getting the fuck out of here you smurfs.

Anyway, josie's colors are generic da fanart tier. Color her with values and form like mr boobs and ass above you

>>3119373
There are an endless number of jobs that aren't "dead end", that aren't creative jobs. If you have to force yourself to draw in the early stages, you're not going to make it. Art is a calling, it's something people sacrifice other things in life, to be able to do it. Any decent artist I've ever met never had to force themselves to draw - they drew all the time, without even thinking about it, loved it, and did it every opportunity they could.
If you're using art as a means to an end, ie. "get a job", I would HIGHLY suggest you find something else as a career. Something you actually LIKE doing.

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>>3119801
Just noticed why the tv cabinet looked so fucked

>>3119758
is that genji being fucked by a horse

>>3119763
Do another level of detail and polish. It's rather loose, you could tweak your contrasts, and refine your textures, edges, and colors.

>>3119782
Develop some more line confidence. This is a good foundation to do a finished, refined drawing on top of.

>>3119810
Thanks for the advice, I'll take a look for some value/form tutorials. Now that you mentioned it I'm starting to see where I went wrong, especially with the shading.

>>3119819
Thank you, I'll try out some exercises for that. I always end up guessing which lines to draw over for the final image, so having a cleaner sketch would definitely help with that.

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I worked on my midtones more this time.
I think that my problem was that I was just finding areas of extreme darkness and light and then blending them together, while forgetting about inbeetwen values.
Tell me if it's any better than my previous studies.

>>3119783
Get out of the beginner thread, but since you're here.

It's definitely a good drawing but the color looks pretty flat and unsure. I think you need to push your values more. Darker shading, brighter highlights. Maybe consider touching up the line work as well. More variety of thickness.

>>3119838
They're still a little off - if you squint your eyes and look at them, so they're blurry, you can see areas where you're using the same values, especially the middle image - there's a lot of contrast missing in yours. You need to try working tighter, too - you're getting in the ballpark for some of the values, but because the paintings are so loose, you're losing volume and shape. I think you're on the right track, though.

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How do I improve on drawing the mannequin, and how can I have cleaner lines?

>>3119878
Draw full figures. Think before you draw.

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What am I doing right and what am I doing wrong?

>>3119880
That sounds a bit vague, could you please be more specific?

>>3118990
I think about a dozen different people have told you a human-sized brain would not fit inside that cranium.

You draw the same faces over and over again. Are you trying to improve?

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is it good to trace loomis to feel the construction? i want to build muscle memory for getting the angles right.

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>>3119937
What I do is I draw it first then when I'm down I will go back and overlay them and on my paper I will write in red ink where I went bad.

It doesn't answer your question but maybe you can consider doing that instead. I feel it is at least slightly better than tracing and probably easier to do going digital since you can just have the reference underneath and overlay on the fly.

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keys to drawing exercise 1a and 1b
the shoes were the ones from the image in the book as i was to lazy to put on shoes but the hand was my own

(this is my first time drawing and i'm going by the guide in the sticky)

>>3119948
stick to pencil and paper

>>3119789
keep at it. work bigger and continue to practice drawing with your elbow.

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>>3119816
who
>>3119758
>>3119773
I think I'm done

Criticism welcomed and encouraged. rip me a new one

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15/20 minute sketch

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>>3119996
ref

>>3119994
I can't really tell if it's a male or female; I'm guessing female from the ref, but the pic looks like a dude.

I'm pretty bad, so I can't immediately point out whats wrong, but I think the hands, feet and legs are too masculine.

>>3120007
It's also too restrictive of an angle. I would look at some similar poses on sankaku, gelbooru, or whatever. Good luck!

>>3119937
I'm not sure, but you should watch that Proko video on drawing the basic Loomy head.

Also, turn on pressure detection with size; your lines look too hard. You can also turn pressure on with opacity, but it's up to you.

>>3119994
Ah one more thing, the right foot seems to be focus of the pic, which I'm going to assume is wrong. All the colors behind the horse should be darker and more attention should be put on the party zone (with brighter colors or something i dunno)

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I see what I did wrong but I'm still kind of happy with this one.

>>3120066
Blog?

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Could I get some advice on how to improve at gestures? Here is where I'm at now. I posted some a few days ago as well and I still feel pretty lost

>>3120082
vilppu
aka loomis

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Wanted to practice lines and coloring. I posted in a previous thread about a breakthrough with my lines and now I wanna show how I've gotten. What do you think of them and my coloring of it?

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>>3120092

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I'm in pain.

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trying to focus more on head shapes than anything, but i fucked up the width + length for this one
anyone know any good head reference sites?

>>3120148
you know thats someones child right?

>>3120093
black. not coal.

>>3120148
L O O M I S

>>3120151
what does that mean

>>3120155
You made her too niggerish

>>3120148
I like it. It's cute.

>>3120042
since it is wrong only be happy about it as an opportunity to learn from what you did wrong. At least that is my mindset.

>>3120042
btw I should add that that picture of all possible reference images is probably not the best to use for practicing linework. use an image that is so obscured by shadow leaves too much guesswork to someone learning anatomy.

>>3120160
Hydrocephalus isn't cute, it's tragic & ruins lives

>>3120149
aren't we all?

>>3120152
i-im trying, anon

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Is tracing really that bad ?
I mean after analyzing the drawing you trace over it to feel the curves and get a better grasp of the thing, and THEN try to do a classic study followed by drawing from memory.

>>3120260
tracing wont help you feel the forms that built those curves.

Is it really that bad for me to try and draw heads a bunch instead of doing boring vases and things? I understand the value of doing that stuff but I don't really feel like drawing them usually and just draw what I feel like.

>>3120282
you could learn how to use basic shapes and forms to build heads or whatever and you would still be learning the basics at the same time.

>>3120283
Does doing this with loomis construction and trying to draw the planes and things count?

I do think I'm improving a lot since I started though and it's pretty much all I've been doing

>>3120285
do fun with a pencil if you haven't that will help you out a lot before the planar type.

>>3119676
please respond

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legs to short?
>>3120326
pretty sure most people who look in these threads are /beg/ them self and far below ur level.

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>>3120148
fuck

>>3120341

Not if it's supposed to be one of those silly looking Titans

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Hey /beg/, how do I learn to see values. I notice a few mistakes, like I'm drawing the wrong contours, the hatching is a bit uneven and I still am a little chicken scratchy.

But, those are small potatoes compared to my lack of seeing the actual value and giving volume. I need a new method. Recommendations?

>>3120349
Anon, it's chicken scratchy as fuck. Focus on doing continues lines, in my opinion. Otherwise I'd say you drew it pretty well.

>>3120356
yeah, i really get peeved by that too. i'll get to work on that right away, thanks man

>>3120341
Get a reference and copy it precisely.

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Apart from the face does everything look like it's supposed to?

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does anyone have some good vid or something about shading? cuz i dont think that im doing it right

>>3120405
Do still lives and draw from reference

>>3120394
If it's supposed to look like a trap playing with a kids bow (one of those with rubber strings), then yeah, more or less.

>>3120416
>trap
How can you tell?

>>3120260
it already feels bad enough drawing from an example image (without tracing)

>>3120355
charcoal

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>>3120156
bruh

>>3120419
He has male chest.

>>3120280
>>3120427
Hey the image was just to get attention.
I meant tracing in general may it be real life or other drawings, paintings.

>>3119015
looks good to me

>>3120431
damn need me a chick like this

ive never spent more than 40 minutes on a single drawing

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Projet 2 - A of Keys to Drawing: making a copy of a master drawing
Top is Giorgio Morandi, bottom is Edgar Degas.

>>3120436

I think they *were* talking about tracing in the general sense.


Like, for example, tracing an ass doesn't help you understand the volume of it, or how it connects the leg and the back, or why it's bearing weight, etc.

>>3120436
It's bad because you're not thinking about where the lines should go. You might as well be playing connect the dots.

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Guys i want to start drawing and im going to need some motivation .

So i have a discord server, very comfy with few members, it doesnt have any specific topic but im willing to start a drawing channel.

Wether you're a beginner or not, we could all help each other out at improving.

If you want to be pary of this leave a (you).

>inb4 go to an existing ic discord

Any established serevr is either dead or way too full to make sense or care about newcomers.

>>3120476
Not true, the sticky contributors discord is active and newcomers are welcome.

>>3120476
Post your work

>>3120450
You should try it. Builds patience.

>>3120498
My work is mostly doodles that i throw away and i have an old drawing book from when i used to take lessons that i threw away.
But im thinking about going relatively pro and even maybe buy a graphic tablet.
Im thinking of this as motivation to kickstart this.

>>3119676
crits pls

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>>3119627
next one,
criticism please

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>>3120508
source

>>3120511
Tell me /beg/, if you did a study of this, how would people know it's a photograph and not from life? What would you do to make it not photograph like?

>>3120513
I dont exactly know what you mean but in photos there is blurs where its out of focus but drawing from life there isn't (I think)

>>3120341
Chest it way too big, as is the head. You need to spend some time learning basic proportions, and how to measure. Then, spend some time on the shoulder, how it's constructed, and the pelvic region. You keep making the same mistakes, each time.

>>3120513
Eyes work differently from cameras. You can always tell when someone has copied a photo.

>>3120513

Lens distortion, contrast, lack of detail and colour in shadows, depth of field, and various other camera effects.

Some obvious stuff is the blown out right foot and lack of light in the hair.

Only real way to deal with that is to be aware of the differences between a camera and your eyes, and to be trained well enough to compensate.

>>3120508

Your drawing is totally off, you need to be much more patient, take as long as it takes to get it right. There's a general lack of understanding of form and construction, and an unfamiliarity with the anatomy of the face.

I can see you're trying to tile some value steps in, but you don't understand the form well enough to properly represent the planes and you're filling in the blanks with your imagination, which doesn't work. Your jumps in value and choice of hue are way off too. She has a very smooth, complex lighting which can be very subtle and hard to design without an understanding of what you're trying to represent.

My advice to you is to work on basic drawing skills, study construction, get some practice by copying pictures out of stuff like Loomis and Bridgman. If you want to practice painting, try something beginner friendly. A simple, well-lit still life, with one hard light source is ideal, so you have well defined shadow shapes to copy. Like an apple or a vase or something. Paint some cubes and cylinders or whatnot too, you really need to understand basic 3D forms if you want to paint. Do mostly monochrome/greyscale stuff too. Value and edge are the key to painting.

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How are these?

why wont anyone crit my fucking post

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>>3119801
progress. Is it irredeemably fucked yet in terms or perspective?

>>3120562
You lack basic fundamentals for completing a sentence, moreover you forgot to start with a capital letter and not to mention your style of adding profanity is distasteful and not at all pleasant. Stop using abbreviations for words, instead of "crit" complete the word by using Critique and do not forget your punctuation.

>>3120572
you missed a comma after "instead of "crit"" that signals the end of that clause

>>3120572
imagine being this guy going through life

>>3119676
2gud4me to crit

>>3119763
bg is too blue imo, the rest of the photo is dark but then its bright at the back

>>3119819
I don't get this line confidence, it's digital. It will be polish in the later stage.

The only time I don't so chicken scratch is when I do architectural/design sketch.

>>3120476
https://discord.gg/rjmNeq

Well heres the address anyways.
Whoever's interested us welcome.

>>3120066
cute

>>3120431
chocolate orange liqueur

>>3120601
Line confidence is drawing a line purposefully and carefully, so it doesn't have to be replaced later. You should leave chicken scratching behind as you progress, if you're still doing it, you're not progressing. But hey, if you want to waste time and effort every time you pick up a pencil, go for it. Just don't expect to bring that bad habit into a professional context.

>>3119015
Yeah!
Just a little problem. The head might be a littlw bit too small for the body. I'd recommend you to scale it up and move it a little bit upwards too.

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I'm one with this one, tried to intensify the shadows and purple, plus fixing the face and adding hair details, though I mostly hate the hair

>>3120621
alright, thanks!

>>3120643
Looks like a doll's head on a woman's body, very unnerving

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dont ever stop doing studies. i did for like three weeks and my eyes have regressed

>>3119763

What is she looking at? What is so interesting that she leans forward?

>>3119839

Post your work

>>3120653
i dont think you ever internalized anything if this is what you call regression. regress from what, exactly? I see a flawed thinking process, is all.

>>3120653
also this is a "masterstudy." left is mine and right is a sargent painting

>>3120667
im saying it just took me longer to get to this point in the painting, also while i was doing it i was fucking up a lot more and felt lost and fumbled around too much. I think it's also because i haven't painted something not-from-life before, but hopefully next study it will feel more natural again.

>>3120676

What >>3120667 said...

You didn't apply what you've learn or you think that study is just meant to be 1:1 copy. It's not. Study is studying a certain part of the painting whether it's form, value, color, or style.

And then you apply that knowledge to your own work. I think what you've doing so far is just observation practice. You're not really doing any "studying".

>>3120431
NOW I'VE LOST IT

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a page of a few gestures i did
as someone who wants to work in animation as a storyboard artist, how can i improve?

>>3120562
Answer this

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>>3120700

>>3120702
do a thousand more.

Also pay more attention to rythm and proportion. You might want to do one or two slowly to really analyze the rythm and proportions or the figure.

>>3120707
of*

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Hey, totally new here and want tips on how to make this glass look less of a mess... any advice is appreciated!

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>Hey guys, /o/tist here.

Made this guy as a character for my Murican version of Initial-D I'm making
I know it's shit, I haven't drawn "manga" style in yrs, and I haven't drawn ppl in yrs, mostly draw graffiti, cartoon characters, and traditional tattoo flash, and fashion

>>3120572
good shit

>>3120767
Good. And?

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>>3120785
Doesn't seem good to me, feels like I did something wrong

Also the MC will drive a Foxbody Mustang GT, that he got for cheap at a scrap yard, and fixes up and delivers pizza and races around his small town in around Colorado

>>3120792
Well, you are rusty as fuck, it was to be expected. You have a lot of tiny mistakes, like the arms being too small, the pose being too stiff, the muscles not being where they are.....Next time use references, or practice more beforehand.

How do I create fundamental forms?
boxes are fine but I'm struggling with ellipses. Are they just circles confined on a plane? Does anyone have any tips?

>the catalogue isn't fixed yet
wtf 4chan

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retard tier imagination shit

>>3119996
i like the foot, looks dope, but one important thing: your guy would fall forward

straighten his chest area more and bring his butt out a little bit to balance it out.. his right thigh is also too small, you can't see cause of the black undie but that top part of his leg connects with his waist.. feel up your own leg to see what im talking about, while in your drawing it seems as though it's heading towards his crotch, like you confused the top of his thigh for the inner right side of it..

bretty good for 15/20 min, better than I could do, but i'd like to see it finished

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>>3119968
can't do that anon sorry

>>3119948
did the rest of chapter1 today spent 4 hours on them total, i noticed my shading is really retarded i hope i'm gonna learn proper shading somewhere in the guide soon

>>3118982
Hey guys I just admitted to myself for being a retard, I want to know if you guys know any good art books on drawing people or topics related to the anatomy. And also how do I build goals for myself because I feel I've been doing the same damn thing for a long time on drawing

>>3120909
i don't understand the circlejerk around starting with digital

your line quality is so pitying that it's embarassing, using a medium that's easier to hone your dexterity with will help you learn more efficiently compared to something you picked up a week ago. but it's your choice, make sure to read the sticky

>>3120995
i don't know any circlejerk i just live in an environment where it's impossible to draw traditionally.

and what do you mean by using a medium i only just picked up? i have never drawn before and i have never drawn in my childhood either except for middle school forced "art"classes one hour once a week.

i have no fucking experience in traditional at all nor "digital" i don't use any fucking fancy tools for my "digital" work i don't ever press the undo button nor do i use any pen stabilizer i literally handle it as if i would draw "traditionally" so it literally doesn't make any fucking difference (i have a display tablet)

and i will never work "traditionally" ever in my life anyways i just want to create fart fetishes or something for commisions so i can make 100$ a month which is enough for me to survive

>>3120851
Watch Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching. He teaches you about how to do forms and ellipses.

>>3120092
need feedback please

>>3120766
Stop using soft lead on pieces that have a high degree of detail, like reflections in glass. Try using a 1b and a 1s, to establish the value range, and use the harder lead for the details and delicate areas. Work on your edges. Work on your gradients. Glass is challenging because of it's smooth gradients and subtlties.

>>3121183
Sorry, make that a 1b and 1h.

Using a 2b and a 4b is great for gesture work, or any kind of expressive work, like figure studies, but for realistic drawings, you want to use harder leads, and establish your range ahead of time, like using on pencil only, which will limit your values, or using two pencils, which are a couple steps away from each other, which expands your tonal range. You're not doing photorealism here, so your darkest value can be a grey, not an absolute black.

>>3121189
Mind posting an example done in the manner you explained?

>>3120767
study anatomy.

>>3121190
https://www.google.com/search?q=pencil+drawing+of+glass&rlz=1C5CHFA_enUS727US728&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjm7s_v9IXWAhXpqVQKHXkgDekQ_AUICigB&biw=977&bih=902

>>3120562
I showed you my art now answer me

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Jesus, it's so hard to draw an actual ellipse.

>>3121223
shouldn't the bottom circle of 4 match the top?

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>>3121224
Oh yeah, i didn't see that.
Is this better?

>>3121236
yes, #2 is similarly inconsistent (raise the bottom corner)

>>3121239
although it could work depending on the perspective

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>>3120511

anyone ever felt their eye socket on their eyebrow/cheek and get creeped out?

>>3121012
>it's impossible to draw traditionally.
where

>>3121259
Anon must live in India or something. No paper, but got a ton of technology.

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>>3119676

>>3119676
>>3121270
does it look like your ref?

>>3121274
somewhat

>>3121279
Post your work from imagination

>>3119676
it looks good as line art
it'll be a challenge bring in the values and shading

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need some help with the perspective of the head at an angle, lads. just can't seem to loomify this
the one on the left is supposed to be looking up, too.

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i think i understand how does it work now

>>3119729
Your palette is too limited/ You have all cool colors, you need warms in there as well. Basic white skin tone is more peach than anything, you need warm oranges and yellows and pinks in the warm areas (highlights and lit areas). The colors you have are fine for the cool parts (shadows).

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good gestures?

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>>3121411
Nice dimensions to them but focus more on the rhythm. You'll find more forceful, elegant lines by slowing down your pencil and thinking before you put each one. Think of gestures less on a time crunch and more on a line crunch at first, you'll get more bang for your buck. These aren't bad for quick studies - you're moving towards capturing and framing the form - but with gestures movement is key. Let loose simplicity speak for itself on gestures.

>>3121415
I'm doing Vilppu technique but i cant draw good rhythm of gesture. I always start from head, shoulders and lines in the middle, where spine is and then draw the same rhythm by sides and correct.

>>3119782
is that paz? teach me f-am

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?

>>3121569

You're making the chin too elongated, which in turn makes it seem like the cranium is too small.

I'd say look at some tutorials about head proportions.

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Here's a cat.
Have been practicing cartooning for years, have just decided to start doing it seriously.
I still have to brush up on my Preston Blair exercises, but this is also my first digital art and I could use feedback on both.

>>3121573
>had to google elongated and cranium. :(

alright, got any recommendations?

>>3121581
Read loomis.

>>3119270
eyes to close

When you look at a blank page, can you see what you want to draw at all? I can see colours but not shapes or lines.

>>3121604
Nope. But making some squiggly lines and some circles helps me get started.

I can't get past Keys to Drawing. For some reason I stop after 3 or 4 chapters and can't do it. Life or something will interupt me for a day or 2 then I'll never do it again. Can I ever learn to draw?

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>mfw I suck at imagination heads

>>3121625
You don't have a drawing problem. You have a discipline problem.

Is there a point to reading literally any of those art books in the sticky? Pretty much all those books, from what I've skimmed, say "draw from real life" but rewritten a thousand different times. Psychobabble doesn't even begin to describe it.

What books actually have the stones to tell me how to draw correctly? As in going step by step how I should be drawing?

>>3121650
do you want the book to describe line for line what you should draw or what. Keys to drawing has a lot of excellent lessons for how to see and draw what you see, and some others cover the construction (and therefore imagination) aspect.

>>3121650
What do you think drawing is? Drawing from nothing? Obviously it's going to tell you to draw from real life, you can't avoid it. Your imagination is still weak.

>>3121649
How can I fix it?

>>3121657
>>3121661
Yeah but I mean like "start with the head" level stuff. "Draw an outline first" "Try use thin lines for clothes" shit like that. These books at a glance are 300 pages of preachy "It's just a gift" bullshit. They keep going on that it's skill and then never actually start saying how to start that skill.

>>3121671
not that anon but I have a serious discipline problem thanks to a lot of reasons
but I am slowly, but surely, fixing it by dedicating x amount of time a day, and each week increasing that amount of time.
some days I really don't wanna, just want to play video games all day or some shit, but I hammer it into my head every single day I need to DRAW.
write sticky notes, chuck em places, set a note on your phone saying "DRAW". make sure you don't forget.

>>3121672
you didn't read hard enough then because lots of books in the sticky go exactly through that. Since keys to drawing is the one I have the most experience with, I can tell you for example that it has stuff like "start with the outer countour", or "focus on an area of the drawing that you want to emphasize". Of course, it varies because each book will focus on a different method of drawing, and mixing them will make you a more complete artist.

>>3121683
I'm asking which ones go through that, I glanced through a few they it was all the same shit for the first 50 pages. Which ones.

>>3121685
I'd say starting with keys to drawing is a very good approach.

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how do i get good at drawing as fast as possible?

>>3121770
practice

>>3121770
You already know the answer.

>>3121770
you don't, just take your time doing the work and learning or you will regret it later

talking from experience btw

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>>3121810
time is mana

>>3121828
then go all out and burn out nigga i don't care lmoa

>>3121770
Draw as fast as possible obviously

>>3121770

Just figure out a process that works and slowly improve it as you learn more stuff.

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Damn i got a flawless method for drawing faces and other thing. You just gotta connect the dots bro. even with a mouse this drawing looks pretty good
really makes you realise that drawing is all about your perception skills, your ability to see. you can do beutiful ms paint drawing with just the line tool if you are good at seeing relationships and measuring distance and angles

>>3121843
>flawless method
>literally a method from Keys to Drawing
It's like people here don't even read the book. Much less use the techniques described.

I've asked numerous drawfags what they use to draw bodies, and they all say Vilppu. Is there any image guides to Vilppu or will I need to go through videos?

>>3121685
You don't glance through them. You do studies from their plates. If you aren't seeing that make sense after a few pages, skim to later in the book and try from there. You're not getting anything from them because you think they're books where the words are what teach you.

Art texts are the opposite of other textbooks. Instead of the pictures being there to supplement the words the words supplement the pictures.

>>3119400
-his head is tilted down to much, the reference looks at the viewver
-the mustache isnt supposed to go off the face
-ear seems to small
-you added shading to the left side of his face even tho there is none in the reference

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just started drawing a month ago
i need help with shading and finding a method of shading that isnt cell shading

>>3122945
You need to keep focusing on propotions

Any book recommendations on shading for beginners. Particularly one that goes over shading on the human form.

>>3123401
From observation it seems that you need to be better at rendering than anything else. Of course you still need to be decent in everything else. But above all else it appears to me that rendering is king.

circles are fucking impossible to draw

>>3123505
stop trying to make them perfect, retard