/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3116189
I heard so many times that it's not good for you to get your gains only from photo studies at least if you want to become a pro. Does anyone now more about this shit?

>>3116217
>not drawing exclusively upside-down from imagination

its like you dont even want to make it

>>3116217
yes that's correct. a photo is already a finished piece in another medium, so all the interpreting is already done. when you're doing stuff from life you need to work out how to make the 3d 2d, you need to work out how to make those colors look like they do irl, you need to decide where the edges of the picture should be. so that's point 1.

point 2 is that your eyes are way way better than a photo at discerning detail and color and such forth, so you are straight up using an inferior source, and not a little bit worse, wayyyyy worse.

point 3 is not to /ic/s taste, but when you're in the world with a physical person or object your feelings and social mechanisms and other sensibilities are more active, so you can capture the subject better than from a photo. (even if you're autistic)

but all that being said photo copies are perfectly fine as a supplementary thing, and even if you refuse to work from real life because it's too hard or something as long as you never have to work from life for your entire career you'll be golden.

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What are some things I can do to improve?

>>3116241
work out how shoulders work, otherwise i think it's a perfectly cute drawing, also when you repeat a line, if you must repeat a line, make sure you do the whole line, not little segments. i think it would be good practice if you try drawing without repeating any lines at all though, your line control is really quite awful, but you are a beginner so, to be expected. a good exercise you might try is to copy a simple line drawing from a comic type illustration or something like that, perhaps even trace it out in a thin even line, then try to match their lines exactly, including width, bleeds, gaps etc. and try to work out why they made those choices.

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Am I ready?

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been working on paper for the last month or so but my tablet decided to play nice today

>>3116253
your darks are universally too dark. one example for the candle, just next to the light youve got super dark but its almost the same value as just outside. This type of mistake is repeated over and over, really what you're lacking is willingness to work in the 3-7 value range.

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>>3116282
take into account major flows in your picture. itll help you, a lot of things can be simplified, so think about them in larger groups. Also, dont go against the image and make her eye in the darkness too light.

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>>3116241
think about the form. what is being hidden by the nose? the way you have it right now, can you even imagine how fucked her profile is if you continue from the the philtrum?

sorry for shitty red, mouse + snipping tool.

>>3116296
What is the 3-7 value range and how can I study it?

>>3116233
What about master studies then?

>>3116305
sticky.

>>3116298
alright, thanks -- i noticed the curves looked way off midway thru and tried to fix it but i need to do this from the start. will simplify my color shapes n stuff too

i was browsing the other day and saw a link to a video of an azn guy telling you not to do feathery lines, to do straight lines instead, like to be confident and learn how to draw a circle instead of a bunch of small connecting lines to make one....do you guys have a link to it. i think it was a master class thing or someting.

im a complete nub,started working from home recently so now i have a fuckton of free time and i really want to get good at drawing in pencil, i think it looks nice, then maybe i cna go on to colors once i get everything down with black and white (and grays)

>>3116318
its in the sticky. in the essentials.

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Does anyone have person to look at when trying to learn how to use pen and ink? I understand how to create complex forms and other basic fundies but I don't understand various things when it comes to pen and ink.

For example, in this picture which I particularly enjoy, the shading lines are mostly horizontal when most people would have suggested that I try to curve to accentuate the roundness of the pierogi when that would have fucked it up imho. When do I know which way to do it? Is it just something you eventually develop? How do I develop it?

There's also the fact that some lines are not visible and are implied by the shading. When do I know how to not draw certain lines?

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L O O M I S
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Crit pls

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>>3116406

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I've read Vilppu's drawing manual and Figure drawing for all its worth, but I don't know what the fuck I am doing here.
I was going to do a "serious" study, but I don't really understand what is it that I'm supposed to do.
I constructed the body with the method the books told me to, and I guess it looks ok, but it still looks like shit so there's that. I already detected some "problem areas" like the way the neck joins the torso and I'm going to look up references for that, is that how I git gut?
So do I map out the bones/muscles or study them separately until I can fit them in the figure, try to add tone, draw it again and again until it looks like the reference, or what?

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Do I have a chance?

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>>3116417
Wrong one

>>3116309
Can someone answer this, please?

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About as amateur as you can get, did it as a fun doodle. Any recommendations as to how I can do better? (Besides getting better at sketching basic shapes)

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What's the one trick that professionals hate about getting good.

>>3116419
looks like a dude

>>3116458
Being born talented.

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>>3116375
There are no "rules". You learn by trying. You build a mental and physical library of things that work, and things that don't. Which directions the lines take are up to you - what works best for the piece? Maybe the subject matter will be enhanced by horizontal lines. Other forms will benefit from curved lines. Traditional cross hatching is based on using multiple angles on top of each other to get darker values. Study artists like Durer and Dore, to get a feel for how they approached it. It's really all just picking up a pen and trying it, like I said, and building a mental library of what works and what doesn't.

>>3116318
Line confidence is absolutely a thing.

>>3116419
looks so fuckin stiff

How I do I learn how to draw limbs in perspective? Whenever I do it the limb appears short and stubby

>>3116479
It's called "foreshortening". This is where figure study in a classroom helps a lot. It's just practice, experimenting, and working from models to figure out what works and what doesn't. It can be subtle at times, what makes it work.

It's like anything else, you have to look at the form, and translate it into line. What lines do you need to visually communicate depth of field, that you're looking down a limb? That's just experience, trial and error, and paying attention. There's no cheat, short cut or trick to it. It's like learning tricky chord changes on teh guitar - you just have to keep doing it, until you master it .

>>3116479
This might sound stupid but I like to treat it like a cylinder and tend to use that as a way of helping out the perspective. Sycra tends to use spirals for his method of foreshortening so maybe that might help you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJWLaDSNBAI

>>3116485
>>3116489
Thanks anons will do

>>3116189
Scott Robertson or Dynamic Sketching?

>>3116458
Patience and persistence

>>3116419
face looks like a 37 yr old asian male

>>3116252
almost, clearly you r not a beginner, good piece tho

those bubbles tho

>>3116632
I give the legs a spooky out of skeleton

>Doing Loomis' Head & Hands book
>Something clicks
>Check my Loomis heads from a week ago
>Art gainz for days
>For the first time in a long time I feel like I'm going to make it

What is this giddy feeling? This is the first time I've been this happy while drawing.

>>3116657
You're going to make it, anon.

>>3116657
Congratulations!

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Haven't posted in a while so I figured I'd post two sketches. Didn't spend as much time as I should've in them and I know I can do better, but I drew them very loosely and it was fun, and I love /beg/ so bumping I guess.

Also, thanks to the anon that advised me not to work with white backgrounds.. I highly recommend it too, it helps you see better.

Long live /beg/.

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>>3116670
2

>>3116670
>>3116671

Weak values. Makes it look bland. Push your values.

>>3116672
Okay, next ones are coming with more value, thanks.

>>3116670
>>3116671
I also need advice/vids if there's any for arms and legs.. I find them harder than torsos, hands and feet.. can't get them right at all x.x

>>3116691
leave beg

>>3116458
Is that L O O M I S?

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>>3116189
Oh shit, that's my work.

Does this mean I am good yet?

>>3116725
leave beg

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>>3116737
not me

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>>3116725
No.

>>3116478
obviously it should though

>>3116588
agreed

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hi /beg/, i was hoping if someone could give me advice. i have lots of trouble using color in anything, whether its master studies, still lives, personal work, etc. i feel like i can work well enough in single colors or black and white (pic related took me ~1h 30) but i dont even know where to start with color.

color and light didnt seem to help, do i just need to keep painting still lives? i dont feel like im making any progress and its frustrating.

>>3116691
>>3116691
Her arm is monstrously huge

>>3116764
Color is three things: color of the light sources, the 'true' color of objects, and light reflected by colored surfaces. If your values are fine then it's not that big of a problem.

Does anyone in here have the Draw with Jazza Easy Anatomy package, who is willing to share it?

>>3116252
For what? Go to stylization thread maybe you'll get your answer there.

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Thanks loomis

Still struggling hard, especially when I try to add eyes/nose

>>3116836
why are you drawing loomis heads? the level of understanding for drawing a face clearly is not there, you should be sticking to still lives to get an understanding of form and depth, you're just symbol drawing for now

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I just keep fucking up.

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>>3116850

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i tried to apply every muscle i know from this perspective, is it good?

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i actually fall in this meme.
i had no choice, because this one is only one book that translated

>>3116939
What do you think?

>>3117039
thanks for answer

>>3116375
Are you the guy with the scifi anthology? If so, I feel this illustration is better than the other ones, it flows wonderfully. Try a master study of a pen and ink artist you respect, it's the no. 1 technique gatherer.

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How do you avoid drawing each feature independently and instead draw the face as a whole?

>>3117052
By reading loomis.

>>3117052
Understand facial proportions and where the facial features should be and mark them accordingly. Go back to do detail when everything is right. Read Loomis's book for more information.

>>3117052
drawing each feature independently is literally hipster shit,
just draw whole skull and measure feature to feature and place it

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>>3116189
hey op
just wanted to say that i thank you for all the work you do creating these threads aswell as making the op pic
keep it up !

>>3117057
OP was super late this time, stop giving OP more credit than they deserve.

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how am i doing? first try, its really hard, tried to stick to the big forms first

>>3117081
looking pretty good. feet get sharper towards the bottom. and for some reason changed the turret. challenge: try to draw it from a different angle. the ensuing struggle will motivate you to learn about perspective ;)

I've been having problems doing straight linework in digital
Like I would have to redraw 4-5 times at extreme zoom in to fix my chicken scratch for every linework layer
To counter that I've started to draw a bunch of traditional in notebook during the mornings to help practice
I've been doing it for about a week and I'm still doing chicken scratch in digital
Should I continue this draw traditional technique or just double down on trying to draw better in digital

>>3117088
haha challenge denied xD but maybe ill try some other day, gotta learn that perspective some day. your critique is surpringsingly positive tho..

>>3117089
You should try for a few more months.

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I'm following Loomis' method of building the head, but almost always the jaw comes out to small.

I'm always more or less having to guess the actual measurements of the skull/head. What exactly am I doing wrong and is there a better method to get the proportions right?

>>3116696
OMG REALLY!?

Okay, I need some help.

I've been doing art since I could hold a pen/pencil. I love it. Not a day goes by that i dont draw.
But I'm also very bad at it.

Up until a while ago, I though I just phenomenally sucked at it.
Then, i found out that I'd been doing it wrong the whole time.

Always drew from imagination. So my perspectives were always screwed up.
And foreshortening? Lol, no.

I'm 23 now. I feel like giving up, but I enjoy it too much to do it. But I cringe everytime I look at my shitty art. It also stings me to start from the absolute basics because I'm shit at them.

Really need help. Any advice?

>>3117123
just suck it up.
suffering is a gift.

>>3117123
Read the sticky.

>>3116850
read loomis again. the size of the side circle is integral.

>>3117122
you're making proportion mistakes more than construction mistakes, so ya. go to alt for better feedback.

>>3116313
There's no recourses on values in the sticky

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Sup bois, i got a question i keep doing these loomis heads and im gettin a little better but i cant not draw these faces short without them looking weirdly stylized and not in a good way. Am I just drawing my circles wrong? Or am i missing something in the construction lines?

Guys! I've been making a bunch of portraits from reference and they all suck. The proportions are off. I have way too much trouble shading and adjusting values.

The proportions I can fix by taking more time to finish the drawing. The values I can practice by sighting more and looking at experts, etc. But, how did you get good at portraits? What was your progression?

>>3117130
NOSEBRO DAISUKI

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>>3117138

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How do I make things pop in colour and what direction should I take this as I'm only doing it as render practice.

From imagination, I'm gonna bring in some reference next to fix any issues.

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>>3117149
whoops forgot to resize

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are my copying skills good? will it get me anywhere?
tried to copy some of kim jung gi's beautiful work and it turned out pretty good i think

>>3117151
needs more highlighting, it's too dark

also the teeth look a little creepy

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>>3117155
here is one more from me

>>3116773

i dont understand how to figure those things out though. it just seems like im guessing and i havent learned anything because i dont understand what im doing in the first place.

>>3117182
You figure it out through trial and error. Guess again until it's right.

>>3117155

Compare it to the source and judge it yourself.

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Crit please. "Tree of tangles"

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bla bla bla

>>3117147
Why can't I find this? Is it not available on mobile? I checked both sticky links.

>>3116406
The likeness is decent, but you need to increase the value range (in this case, darker darks)

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do you have any tips for not being a pussy when it comes to art?
I have been too afraid to fail that I end up not even attempting anymore, I just end up drawing it in pencil and too discouraged to paint it.

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do you have any tips for not being a pussy when it comes to art?
I have been too afraid to fail that I end up not even attempting anymore, I just end up drawing it in pencil and too discouraged to paint it. (pic related)

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>>3117250
I'm mostly happy with it, besides the tiny trump hands and weird face

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I've been drawing every day for about 2 weeks but I don't think I've improved at all. How long does it take to be good enough to make decent uninspired fan art?
Here's what I did today .

>>3116814
this is cool

>>3117057
no problem chum

>>3117058
shut you're butt

>>3116725
Well, it used to be that the most hideous post would be the next thread's OP, but then a one good work was posted and from then on usually the better ones of each thread are the ones in the next OP. Sometimes a drawing is just funny, probably the most common reason to get OP'ed, but yours looked pretty good (in beg standards), although when put side to side to the reference it's wonky.

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Rate and hate, ladies and gentlemen.
Yes, the cloud looks like shit.

>>3117225
I really like the tree and the roots.. the lighting in it, the shadows, they look quite clean and 3D, but there's something wrong with the eclipse. Not sure what it is, just feels off, doesn't feel like it's in the distance, doesn't feel like a light source either, cause then the tree wouldn't have those kind of highlights and shadows.. yet it is emanating light.

Also, it's sideways, right? Resize and flip your images before posting. What are you gonna do with all that blank in the right side? Would that be top or bottom?

Also, try not to cum in your paper, stains don't look good.

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Feet. Am I going to make it, lads?

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And 2. Th-thanks.

>>3117384
>>3117385
You should avoid memorizing a 'recipe' and instead internalize the actual anatomy. Try drawing it from multiple angles, check out the feet of other animals to compare and contrast.

It really irritates me when people write little notes on their studies. If you look back a month later you will always see you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about.

>>3116696
Not me.

>>3117403
Post your work

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>tfw want to learn how to draw
>all those resources readily available
>can't start to draw

i just feel so crushed and i don't know why, i need someone that manages my life, like a master that tells me what to do at every hour on every day otherwise i'm never gonna get my ass up and do anything.

how do i deal with this? i need someone that punches me untill i finally just start drawing, why can't i do it on my own.

this is worse than any physical pain i ever experienced and i don't know how to deal with it.

i just want to draw but i clearly can't do it on my own i wish i could just kill myself instead.

>>3117403
>You should avoid memorizing a 'recipe' and instead internalize the actual anatomy

Sorry could you say more please? Constructing from triangles has been a eureka moment for me as far as drawing feet. I know these aren't the best they could be but I think they look pretty close.

On a related note, keeping in mind the "recipe" of 8 heads tall etc., etc., is also helping me greatly... I think these frameworks help me internalize things.

>Try drawing it from multiple angles
But I am? I've drawn it from front, 3/4 and back view.

>It really irritates me when people write little notes on their studies. If you look back a month later. You will always see you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about.

Do they look bad? How can I improve them? Notes help me internalize important things.

I do appreciate you taking the time to do feedback, and I don't want to sound too adverse.. I can handle criticism, truly, but I guess we just disagree on some things.


My main question is, what sticks out most as being wrong about the look of these feet? Is there any specific point you can give me where the anatomy is off so I can try to fix it? Thanks.

>>3117428
Go to art school/university. Those student loans ought to kick your ass into gear in no time.

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>>3117428
Try small, draw an hour a day. Find an app or physically track every single day you draw. Find a way to put this front and center of your monitor. Keep reminding yourself to do it. Once you manage to do an hour a day for a month you can ramp it up to two hours. Believe in yourself and your goals.

Follow your favorite artists on whatever social media you use and paste download their art and set your homepage to one of their pages.

Constantly remind yourself why it is you want to draw, write it on a sticky note and put it somewhere you can always see it.

All you need to do is stick to it for one month anon, and before you know it you'll be drawing daily and you'll look back and laugh. ONE MONTH.

>>3116189
>see first semester art students
>better than /beg/ have been for months already
How is this possible?

>>3117500
Filtering? Dedication? You have to be either retarded or completely dedicated to art to even considering wasting thousands of dollars on some near-useless degree anon.

>>3117500
this thread is where people find if they really want to do art or not

either they think it's too hard and give up or keep going and go somewhere else for critiques because they aren't beg anymore

you will always see shitters in this thread for the rest of time because that's the nature of it, stop trying to compare them to people with an instructor and actual drive

>>3117500
It is literally just the amount of time spent on a drawing. /beg/ is full of 5 - 10 minute sketches and people going "why doesn't this look good?". Anyone who sits down for an hour to plan a drawing then spends another two hours thoughtfully adding line and value is going to get results.
Patience s the most important skill.

>>3116640
thanks

Reminder to start off with a single horizontal or vertical line to use as your main reference point

>>3117543
What are diagonal VPs?

>>3117500
1) the vast majority of people that go to art-school already like drawing and/or have been doing some of it since kids
2) /beg/s don't put as much time as a full time student, I know I don't, I draw 20min-1hour a day and started from absolute 0, I have a job, a life and I'm not in a hurry, if all I did was go to school and study art for 6 months I bet I'd improve also
3) having teachers feedback is good.. this is why /ic/ is supposed to exist, to get some feedback, which you get tons more of in school

I personally went to a Saturday morning beginner's drawing course, it was 6 weeks long and I didn't see my classmate normies improve for shit, only me and one other had noticeable improvements from first drawing to last (we compared them in class as a final project)

and 4) as the other anon said, amount of time put in a single drawing makes a big difference.. if I was trying to impress 30 strangers in my class I'd totally put more effort in finishing and polishing a single drawing than just doing a bit of drill and exercise and doodle each day..

>>3117429
not him, but perspective is fucked up in some of them, specially on the second page, it looks more like a two step ladder than a foot

also your toes all seem very mechanical.. give them some variety and angles.. look at more toes, usually they don't all face the same direction, some of them kinda twist around, some are longer.. and your little finger is fucked in all your drawings..

I'd say do more feet studies, dunno, im a beg too

>>3117559
>beg
>know this much about feet
Makes you think

I have a couple questions, how do I go about shading smaller details/areas? Right now all I have been using are standard 2B pencils/drawing pencils. And any time I go to shade a smaller area, it just tends to look like a bunch of pencil scribbles/makes the drawing look even flatter.

Which doesn't help my case because no matter what I do while practice techniques from loomis/proko, my facial features are just...well, shit. My eyes always look flat, my mouth always looks disgusting and flat, and I can't even do anything resembling a nose, on a smaller drawing. I don't know what to do exactly.

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>>3117568
I'd take advice from a foot-fag any-day.

>>3117571
Try shading in simpler shapes before you begin tackling facial features. Try using thatching and other such methods.

>>3117568
you caught me, I guess, not like it's a secret

I don't really jerk off to feet but they do turn me on, I do think they are attractive, and when artists I like fuck them up it really ticks me off

>>3117571
Anyone in this thread got good examples of work done in only 2B?

>>3117585
you mean good as in actual good or good as in decent for /beg/?

>>3117589
Actual good, I want to know what the limits are with this.

>>3117592
http://art-art.com.au/nsa1/2b-pencil-portrait-drawing-by-mike-lamble/

there's probably even better stuff out there, but what's the point of limiting your-self? I used to use one pencil too, now i like mechanical HB, and 2-4-8bs pencils, sometimes charcoal.. it's more fun to switch up tools

>>3117597
I don't want to limit myself, I just want to see how far 2B can go, because I think the 2B is a limiter right now since I'm not sure I can bring out realistic renders with just this. Will it have enough variation? I don't know since I'm not very good at using it yet. Thanks for the one example though. IF you find more, do share.

>>3117602
I googled it, that was the first one I could verify it was actually 2b and not just random images with the 2b tag on it, but I bet there are more. Also search "2b" in tumblr, deviant-art, pinterest, etc, people that do a cool drawing and only use one pencil/tool usually mention it

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>>3117602
It's not the best, but this is something I sketched with a 2b a while back.

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Rate this totally not from xfiles gargoyle

>>3116189
Anyone else here tape printer paper together so you can get a bigger canvas without sinking money into actual sketchbooks?

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Hmmm, accuracy is slowly increasing.

I struggle with moving on, I don't want to be an Ilya and only draw pretty faces.

But I simply am too new to understand when it is time to move on. I'm hoping that practicing my measuring on the face will translate to the rest of the body. I am 100% focused on accurate construction at the moment, with a bit of perspective thrown in for angled heads.

I guess what I do need to focus on more though is getting these smaller details to work out. My faces always end up looking 100% lifeless and flat though and I noticed that I tend to lose focus about half way through and stop measuring as much. I need to study the eyes and lips more and how to simplify these in a way that suits my methods.

This post is kinda bloggy but I think writing down what I've done for the day helps me internalize things, and maybe someone will find what I write useful or at least motivate them to also write down what they've done.

>>3117659
You should just get a larger sketchbook or draw smaller, I can only imagine putting obstacles in your way being detrimental.

Lads.

I'm up to the part in Drawing The Head And Hands from Loomis where he tells you to draw and learn the facial muscles.

Is this a meme? I've heard people tell me in /beg/ and question threads that I don't need to know the muscles.

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Trying to transition from anime to semi-realism. Any tips? I've been drawing for a few years, and just started realism a few days ago

>>3117680

Figure drawing: pick your resource, there's a dozen in the book thread.
Construction: L O O M I S, Proko.
You chicken scratch and your lines look weak. Drawabox Lessons 1-3 or Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching.
Draw from life, draw from still life, draw draw draw.

>>3117677
If you want to draw a realistic figure both from imagination and reality you should know some of the muscles so that you can understand the form of the figure in space. You will learn muscles regardless of whether you focus on them or not. cylinders, boxes, and spheres will only take you so far.

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>>3117103
Where are the teeth? That's one of the bigger issues. You need to look at the form, teeth, and proportions more carefully. The nose cavity is too large, as well, and the cheekbones don't match. The mandible (jaw) doesn't slop forward like that, and you have (again) no teeth.

Try again. LOOK at what you're drawing. Break it down to areas - eye sockets, nose cavity, teeth. Draw lines that represent them.

Quick and dirty redraw for you. Excuse the sloppiness.

>>3117123
Learn how to do it right. Yes, that's real advice. There's no secret that will change everything the minute you read it, you need to go back to the beginning and start with the basics, and undo/learn what you're getting wrong, or didn't learn.

Get over the "sting", and you'll be fine. The only thing keeping you back right now is your own ego.

>>3117189
Or, you go take a class, where the teacher does know what they're doing, and can pinpoint what the problem is.

>>3117305
You need therapy, not art lessons.

>>3117684
Thanks, I'll try that! It's just a quick sketch so I do understand why it has a chicken scratch effect

>>3117694
Don't fall into the sketch = chicken scratch meme. All your work should have confident lines.

>>3117325
This looks like a trace, over a photo - someone with the lack of line confidence you have is not going to capture a pose this closely.

Study FORM

Study ANATOMY

Learn to have confidence in your lines, and learn to contour draw, using line weight to enhance the drawing.

STOP symbol painting clothes where you think they belong.

>>3117571
>I have a couple questions, how do I go about shading smaller details/areas? Right now all I have been using are standard 2B pencils/drawing pencils. And any time I go to shade a smaller area, it just tends to look like a bunch of pencil scribbles/makes the drawing look even flatter.

Work larger.

>Which doesn't help my case because no matter what I do while practice techniques from loomis/proko, my facial features are just...well, shit. My eyes always look flat, my mouth always looks disgusting and flat, and I can't even do anything resembling a nose, on a smaller drawing. I don't know what to do exactly.

Pay attention, practice, and learn to form the shapes of the face. You may have to study each thing by itself first, and then draw the whole. Study eyes, ears, noses, mouths. Learn to draw them from multiple angles. Every part of the body has a definite shape, like any solid object. Learning to draw them accurately is part and parcel of becoming an artist. There's no secret, no short cuts, you just learn to break them down, get familiar with them, and build a mental library of how these parts are shaped, so when you go to draw them, you know what looks right and what doesn't. That's what practice and study is for.

>>3117602
Detail work for me usually calls for 2h pencils, on smooth paper like bristol. Learning to draw also includes exploring pencil and paper weights, and when it's appropriate to use each. Darker, more expressive work is fine for 2B, but if you want really crisp detail, you'll have to move up to a harder weight, and smoother paper, or work on a much larger scale with a softer, darker pencil. That;s why for figure drawing, using charcoal, they make you use large paper, like 24x36".

>>3117659
Sigh.

Mow some lawns or something, and buy some proper paper.

>>3117571

Mate, I was where you are at for like a week of frustrating 3-4 hours a day practicing Loomis and Proko. Here's my advice on how I got out of the slump.

1) Don't try the Proko/Loomis technique without reference. Take a reference, and apply what you've learned. If Loomis, draw every example he uses. Don't try to draw from imagintion just yet, specially features.

2) Keep practicing. It doesn't happen overnight. Took me a lot of hours to finally get it right.

3) Pay really close attention to what you're learning. Always, always you should be aware of what you're doing and what you're doing wrong. Talking to yourself while drawing helps a lot, telling yourself "ok, I need to draw this like this...etc."

4) Don't get too distracted by shading. If you're anything like me, the Proko videos made you think you HAD to jump into shading to draw features. Loomis takes a different approach, not shading until you know for sure how the face and features work. Read Heads & Hands, pay attention to every example he gives and draw along with him.

>>3117677
Are the people in /beg/ art teachers, or professionals? Most likely not. You don't need to be an expert on them, but the muscles and tendons of the face are what make it a face - not knowing how the muscles move with different expressions, and how the parts of the face move, is important if you want to do realistic and accurate drawing. If you're only looking at anime or dirty pictures, which is cartooning, you can ignore it for the most part. But if you have any aspirations to pursue traditional art, you should at least know what muscles are there, and how they help shape the face - you don't need to know their names or anything.

>>3117251
its not hidden, its just in the big sticky.
>>3117409
yes me.

So I've got a copyright issue question cause this is my first possibly paid gig and I don't wanna fuck myself up for life

I wanted to make a drawing of Elvis Presley to submit to this art contest that the state fair has every year, but in order to be eligible to win the grand prize, I have to put a price on my work and allow it to be up for sale. But I read some shit about Elvis' persona or some shit being heavily copyrighted and people have been sued for up to a million dollars per image, but I also heard a bunch of shit via the internet and just word-of-mouth that smaller events usually don't get cracked down on very hard if at all, but being the state fair I don't know if this is a "small" event. Can someone give me some clarification? Should I switch from Elvis? I wanted to draw him cause he's well loved around here and would basically guarantee a sale.

If I do need to switch from Elvis, do Johnny Cash or Michael Jackson have the same stipulations? I don't care all that much about winning grand prize, but I definitely wanna at least sell my image. But like I said, I don't wanna fuck myself up with it.

tldr how likely am I to get sued by selling homemade Elvis pic at a state fair

pls respond

>>3117713
if this isn't the right place to ask then sorry. I'm a /beg/ with making money off artwork though so I thought this would be proper.

>>3117713
Okay. Strap in, this is gonna be long.

What you're doing is called "derivative" work - you're using someone else's copyright, to create your work. Photos have copyrights - the Elvis estate can't sue you for drawing a picture of Elvis, but the photographer, or whoever owns the rights to said photograph (the Elvis estate owns many, many photos), can sue you if certain issues are met: if your version is instantly recognizable as a specific shot by a specific photographer, they can sue you.
Your issue is qualifying for a fair use exemption in a law suit - fair use is not claimed, it's a defense in court. It's a grey area, when it comes to fair use and such - if you were to copy someone's photograph exactly, and sell posters, they can sue you, and win. If you use the pose and lighting but introduce your own elements, like changing colors or just using the pose but different clothes or setting, you may prevail in a lawsuit.
You could try and find a picture where you can get permission from the owner of the photo - then you have no problems. There hasn't been enough time passed for any Elvis pictures to pass into public domain.
You could also contact the people running the contest, and run your idea past them - they, of anyone, will know the legal issues for their contest, and can advise you.
This holds true for any celebrity - the issue isn't the celebrity, it's who owns the rights to the photo.
Your best bet is to make up your own image - do a likeness of Elvis, using all those photos as reference to draw your own pose and make it look like him - if your skill level is that high.
There's no safety from lawsuits - anyone can sue anyone, at any time, for anything - the issue is getting the judge to agree with you. With derivative work, the grey area is fan art, student work, stuff that isn't sold - but put a price tag on it, and it's a whole different story.

>>3117722
Wow, this was actually legitimately helpful. Thank you.

Do you think it's easier/safer to go with something like Spiderman or Batman? Something I'd have an easier time doing completely free-hand with no need for a reference? I feel like I'd get a lot more defense out of the fair use claim with this method. Granted I don't think it would sell as fast or as easily, if at all, considering everyone in my town loved Elvis for as long as they've been alive and is indifferent about "kid stuff", but if it'll keep me out of court I'm willing to settle.

>>3117559
Can you draw some feet of your own and post them? I'm not saying this out of asspain or anything I'm genuinely curious how you go about it and what the result looks like, thanks.

I don't disagree with giving toes and such more character or what have you. I think that can be better achieved working bigger of course. For now I'm not so concerned about refinement. Im grinding anatomy so im just going for basic form that looks competent and I can build off from there.

Thanks for your input.

>>3117744
I hope anon posts sexy anime feet to show you what he means.

>>3117611
>tfw search 2b
>expect pencil drawings
>get tons and tons of fan art of 2b the character
Should have expected this to be honest. Now I don't know what to search.

>>3117734
Spiderman and Batman have the same issues - selling them is a violation of the copyrights for the comic book companies that own them. If it's recognizable as either character, and has a price tag on it, you're wide open for a lawsuit - and worse, losing it.
Is there a way to look at the winners of this contest, the last couple of years? That would give you an idea of what's acceptable and what isn't.
Once you put a price tag on something, you're facing known and well researched laws regarding copyright. It's something all artists should have a good grasp of. Batman and Spiderman are recognizable copyrights. In fact, that might be MORE of a copyright infringement than a picture of Elvis. I know Marvel and DC vigorously defend their copyrights.

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>>3117697
This rustles my jimmies. Mostly because it isnt traced.... but the reason for the line weight is bc im drawing the picture on my tv (connected with hmdi1 to computer) and it throws off the balance of the tablet, it is slightly off and it might be fixable bý updating the driver but I dont know how . Im more into rendering than lines atm, I want to be able to forgo them all together . But thanks for the crit tho, the clothes comment is spot on since I just drew them from imagination

>>3117764
I see what you're saying. I've been looking around for the previous year's winners but it's a jumbled up mess. I think the art show is locally hosted because I'm having a difficult time finding anything on it. I think I found a name, but no image to go with it so I have no clue.

Regarding the Marvel and DC copyright claims, what you said makes a lot of sense. I'm not discrediting you at all, and I'm not trying to be all "but this guy said...." about it, but I did see a video about a man who was kept anonymous in said video, who said he didn't get in any trouble selling prints of an undisclosed DC character until he broke 100,000 copies, and he claimed that Marvel was okay with it and borderline encouraged it. I'm hard at work looking for the entries of the previous years' winners though.

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>>3117777
Here is more proof, though not perfect these lines were drawn on the computer screen itself and is worlds away from the line quality of the other picture

does anyone have recommendations for good paints for beginning painting?
i've been watching Teoh Yi Chie's videos on watercolors and based on his recommendations will probably get paints from Daniel Smith, but that's not where I want to stop with painting

does anyone have any good recommendations for both products and tutorials on oil, acrylic, ink, and pastel painting?

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What can I improve on here? Am new to using watercolor

>>3117325
This is kind of weird

On some parts, it shows some understanding of form and and weight, but on other parts it's absolutely mediocre/ beginner. For example, the way the legs and hips are drawn, the way its rendered, along with the coloring is nice, but it only exists for those parts. The same stuff can be said for the breasts and the stomach. The left leg, arms, face, and hair, and the rest makes no sense, are flat, lack understanding, etc. etc.

I'm pretty convinced you rendered those nice parts by accident. Either that or you stopped focusing on the rest of the drawing and just filled it in with coloring.

>>3117785
>>3117785
You don't need to prove anything to anyone, on a board where everyone is anonymous, unless you want to prove you're a professional or something imo anyways.

It looks like you're in some sort of stage where you're starting to understand some things about drawing, but is not quite there yet because a lot of things look awkward or off.
Just keep grinding. You're already showing some promise.

>>3116850
>>3116851

It's like you're symbol drawing a Loomis construction over her head.

Drawing on the right side of the brain can help.

>>3116850
anon I...

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>>3116189
rate my composition pleapselseplaseplsapelpelaspelapsle

>>3117866
ctrlpaint

>>3117870
Yes!

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Is this good?

>>3117877
I don't think peoples arms are meant to move like that. Also I'm like 70% sure girls don't grow hear out of their cleavage

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These are my eyeholes.

>>3117892
Cute.

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>>3116189
tired of doing fundamentals 24/7, so tried making an actual piece.

pls help me.

>>3117935
Oh god, please go back to fundies.

>>3117935
Is that a tranny?

>>3117942
could be.

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are proportions good? (except this left up)

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>>3117935
>tired of doing fundamentals 24/7

>>3117709
Holy shit, I'm retarded. I kept checking the mod's sticky instead of OP's sticky. Thanks nosebro.

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trying to improve my cubes

>>3118010
looks pretty good, man, but I'd recommend making the vanishing points wider apart
some of these have kinda wonky perspective to them. from the looks of it 2, 4, and 25 could definitely use it just from my own viewing

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>>3117342
here's what I drew today. Source is IF from neptunia games but I tried to do it from only memory, so sorry if looks off.
does drawing from 100% memory help improve or is it better to do studies?

>>3117361
so cool. What did you draw this with?

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>>3118054
Oops file forgot to resized

here's what I also drew this today but it was a study. Sorry that it is unfinished and I left her lips and nose in this state but my wrist was beginning to ache and I wanted to play some video games.
I would greatly appreciate any help and criticism for improving

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>>3118056
source

>>3116406
Your outline is a little harsh, and I can see where you're using small marks that aren't connected. Your hesitating a bit. Try drawing your outlines in one stroke without correcting and keep going without worrying about the likeness too much. Fluid confident strokes , don't worry too much about if it's not absolutely perfect, then disregard your reference and make it into an original piece of Art.

Use a mixture of pencil grades or try charcoal sticks.

>>3116851
Forget about cylinders and geometrical shapes, it's load of rubbish.

Go for the shapes of dark and light. Look at the shapes in between the outline.

>>3117052
Use a 4b and only draw tones of light and dark,

Is light and dark a tone?

>>3117225
Lot of work there, the pencil shades are pleasing

>>3117305
I know what you mean, I can't be bothered either anymore

>>3117385
Very nicely done. Repeat without framework

>>3117612
Really God, lovely hatching there

>>3117810
It's difficult to tell as the image has such a high contrast it looks more like a computer drawing

>>3117877
If you removed the right arm it'd be good

>>3117403
Retard.

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Gonna finish this one up today no one critiqued on /alt/ I used loomis head for this

>>3116375
where can i go (on the internet) to begin learning how to do such art?

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>>3118054
Pencil drawn first.
Then I used pen to trace over the pencil, then a black sharpie for the rest.
Erase the pencil lines underneath and voila.
This one for example still has pencil lines underneath.

>>3118054
Blog?

>>3118101
What do you mean?

>>3118054
Yes, you should always do 100% memory work because it helps tell you what you aren't good at and need to work on which is when you go do studies.

>>3116375
>>3118094
Ian miller
John Blanche
Carl Critchlow
Iain McCaig

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-IE/Painting-Modelling?_requestid=6852503

>>3118107
e.mail: [email protected]

>>3118107
>john blanche
Yiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiisssssssssss

>>3117500
the first quarter art class i just had over the summer had you work on a still art piece for 3 hours
that's a lot of observing, planning, and thinking of how to put everything onto paper

>>3118112
I've got a feeling I drew him once I a pub, but it might not have been

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>>3117811
Well, my quality standard is really unstable and lackluster. But I usually grind the legs and boobs the most... figures. So I didn't spend almost any time on the face, the hands and such. A critical flaw

>>3118056
Your reference is poor, there's a lot of information missing, you didn't quite get the lips positioned right, the eyes came out well. Stop looking at your reference and keep going, think mannerism.

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>draw head first
>head comes out pretty good but body ends up stiff

>draw ribs first
>body comes out dynamic on its own
>but takes forever to attach collarbone, arms, and head
How do I make a compromise? What's ic's consensus on drawing the body first?

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>>3118123

>>3118182
Draw it as a whole.

>>3118184
holy shit thank you!
i'm slowly following the sticky's gdoc and drawing one grill or so everyday. anything in particular you'd recommend on construction?

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>>3118182
Of course, how come I didn't think of that. Right now I either
a. Draw the circle for the rib then draw outwards
b. Draw the circle for the head then draw downwards
Also I do believe for some reason drawing the head first fucks up my sense of proportion

>>3118137
>I usually grind the legs and boobs the most... figures
i don't find this hard to relate to

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>>3118191
drawing one grill or so everyday
At THAT quality of drawing you posted? I'd understand if you did values but nigga you ain't gonna make it with that routine. Drawing anime isn't bad in itself, it's drawing anime without a sense of form that's bad; that understanding of the volumes of the composes the body. My friend take a look at pic related, now that's an anime drawing with form. Yours barely has any of it. I suggest practicing the torso (without the limbs) while emphasizing form via contour lines. Vary the poses and look for references to expand your visual library. Rotate them torso until you can draw it from any angle from the ground up.

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I feel like I made a breakthrough with how i do line work. How do my lines look here?

>>3118216
What did you do?

>>3118228
what do you mean

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>>3118137
Simplify your values and learn forms.
You might want to do some studies just to get an idea of where to put shadows.

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>>3118191
Read hampton's figure drawing book

>>3118216
what was the breakthrough?

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>>3118236
>not breaking into medical schools at night to sketch

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>>3118238
I deleted most of my work by now but this is a recent one. But when I used to do line work I didn't know how to approach the right size for the brush or the brush settings and how to correctly hold the pen to make smoother longer lines to connect. Atm I'm still practicing how to make thick lines in certain locations to make the lines more exciting

>>3118244
It's very good, well done. Slightly satirical, I like the hair a lot

>>3116850
Read a perspective book

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you picked a tricky expression. eyes look kinda far apart. eyes also didn't look into the same direction.

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Wow these guys are AMAZING for being beginners, please critique mine

https://youtu.be/qjR_8cwxUp4

Anyone knows what pencil is he using? Or any clue at all?

>>3118258
nah it's awful

>>3118322
It's good, like a Streets of rage figure

>>3118306
Faber Castell Polychromos oil based colored pencils. I have a box of them around here somewhere, the silver stripe and shape gives it away.

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>>3116253
Another value study page.
I started drawing late, so I was too sleepy to think more about them.
I tried to consider more where the light is hitting and make darks there lighter than in areas of complete shadow.
Tomorrow I will watch some videos and get some more knowledge.

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Hey /beg/ I'm a beginner that's been drawing for about a year and I would appreciate some constructive criticism on my first attempt at the mannequin from Loomis' book on figure drawing. I only just started looking through his book recently and I'd like to know what I need to improve on.

>>3118348
There isn't much to critique, since it's just a copy of somebody else's drawings.
The only thing I can say about this is that your lines are too short, unprecise and uncertain.
Search for line quality exercises and read about what is chicken scratching and how to avoid it.

If you want a better critique try making a finished ilustration (with reference or without).
It will show your strengths and weaknesses and you'll see where you get stuck and what to practice.

>>3118283
Doesn't Loomis teach perspective in the book anyways
Keys to drawing does to iirc

>>3118329
You're confident on that?

>>3118203
thanks for the tips mang. i needed that sort of guidance. can't practice much a day unfortunately but this sounds doable.

>>3118236
just checked out some of its pages and it looks concise and well done. thanks for the suggestion

>>3118106
Is this one of those bad advices that are disguised as a good advice? To tell a begginer (2 weeks) that he should work purely based on imagination sounds like an awful advice

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Not to sure on how it looks, any advice?
(This is the 5th Attempt)

>>3118389
its bad advice but not completely destructive if you fall for it

>>3116189

>real sticky still isn't on the /ic/ official sticky

this is such fag shit

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>>3116189
Anyone tried this before?

>>3118436
mods gave up on this place long ago. its truly a wasteland.

>>3118447
>tfw you check on the beginner thread years ago
>all those aspiring artists that are now gone and probably never got good
What the fuck happened?

>>3118449
But surely there were one or two that made it through. Right?

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do I have hope? (been trying to draw seriously for about a week)

>>3118483
absotutely

>>3118483
everyone has hope, it's more about having the discipline to keep learning

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also I made this few days ago and I've been drawing for about a week
once again, do I have hope?

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>>3117935

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>>3118417
>>3118389
aw man, I wish I read this earlier

This is what I was doing though. Sorry it not being finished and for the pose and figure being off. And ignore the clothes as I never have drawn study of clothes but I was trying again to do everything from memory without reference.

What studies would you recommend I do instead? I have been drawing from quickposes and google images but to copy is very boring and I want to make my own stuff as soon as I can.

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>>3118524
certainly bruv

>>3117935
And this is how memes a made

>>3116696
last time i posted in /alt/ I got told to go back to beg lol

>>3118389
I think he meant 100% imagination as doing a number of works/sketched completely without reference. I don't think he meant that beginners should only do imagination work.

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How do I into smooth lines on Corel Painter 2017 with a Huion 420?

>>3118587
anon.. there's something I need to tell you..

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>>3117935
sum feedback. i don't draw enough dudes to help there much

>>3118591
git gud?

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I've been doing Hampton's material, and I feel like my gesture drawings are not coming out that properly.
Any serious criticism or tips to put my in the right direction will be appreciated!

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I've been trying to get over my fear of dark values

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Can't capture things in relation to height. How is this done, pipe lines don't work as well in that scenario at least I can't think of any. Notice my lips, nose and eyes are too high but appear to be pretty good (at least in respect to the height issue) in width.

Any tips on how to get the heights better.

>>3118647
Finish them into a full figure drawing.

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doing some degeneracy

feedback welcome.

>>3118689
Just compensate. By now you know that you place the features a tad too high; What should you do theb? After placing them, use the lasso tool to offset them down by a few pixels. Or you know; offset the very instant you draw them.

>>3118715

I am on pen and paper, I just screenshot and overlay with opacity to see how I did.

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>>3117559
>not him, but perspective is fucked up in some of them, specially on the second page, it looks more like a two step ladder than a foot

You're wrong. He's actually got the right idea with these feet.

Cunts telling him to not write notes, compare human feet with animal feet, telling him his perspective is fucked when it's basically not. What even is this shit. This just smacks of people shitting on someone on the right track out of jealousy. Is this a common thing here?

This is a page from "Anatomy for Sculptors". Observe how the foot at this angle kind of looks like--a two step ladder.

>>3118587
You tried from what it looks like, but there's a harsh contrast from the hard lines of the vehicle and the sketchy background. Not only that, but the car itself is huge covering both lanes on the street and there's a strange perspective thing going on. Simply keep practicing and try not to try so hard on the vehicle, is my useless opinion. I like the background more as it looks like more effort was put into it as opposed to the vehicle that looks like it was drawn by a ruler and that's it.

>>3118699
Woah woah woah, am I even at the level of finishing them into a full figure drawing?

>>3118741
Don't be a weeny. Go for gusto bruv

>>3117612
cute puppers anon. The lefthand one almost looks like he got the Picasso treatment though

>>3118291
stupid time-traveller fuck off back to the future

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>>3118054
>>3117342
I draw as often as possible from reference. Shit from the past three days.

>>3118829
Did you do that Altair and Setsuna painting? Can I get a larger image of the process?

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Did a 20 minute sketch and sorta turned the model into a disproportionate skeleton wearing a wig

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Last one for the night, focused more on the vertical pipe lines and horizontal pipe lines and the relation between the two. I got a good performance upgrade I think and I don't feel it took me much longer than my last one. Sucks that I screwed up my early construction box though. Insane how a hiccup so early dramatically altered things for me. Incredible that we are so sensitive to such details that a slight slant on the right cheek caused her to look completely different. At least to me.

I think I will focus more on the lips, nose and eyes for the a week. I'm, never satisfied and they always look flat to me.

I'm wandering if that could be shading actually. Maybe I'll start throwing in some simple shading routines and try to start off with a super dark and super light shadowing when I building eyes and lips. Either way that's reserved for tomorrow.

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>>3118832

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>>3118714
More degeneracy.

Feedback welcome

>>3118372
Why, are you triggered because they're not? Are you really gonna neckbeard over what pencil it is?

Going by how the pencil draws in the video, it's some form of oil-based pencil. Have a problem with that? Nobody cares.

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How can I improve this

>>3118831
It will take a long time to upload but yes + commentary

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>>3118831
https://mega.nz/#!oVgCxAwD!XvhKKKBFBgs6y3-0j9UVZ3p0POjdpGPLWTkBTlVJ230
Looks like shid big because I'm too lazy to clean it up and it's still pretty bad in places.

>>3118915
>Decryption error
What

>>3118923
Rehosting at a snail's pace.

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Is this right?

>>3118923
please work
https://transfer.sh/1MVzz/Shid.7z

>>3118956
Thanks it works.

>>3118982
>>3118982
>>3118982

>>3118982
>>3118982
>>3118982

>>3118982
>>3118982
>>3118982

>>3118832
>>3118836
clock angles

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rip it apart plox

>>3118300
there is a very wide range of beginner, and most of us will feel like beginners for a fairly long time

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Guys i want to start drawing and im going to need some motivation .

So i have a discord server, very comfy with few members, it doesnt have any specific topic but im willing to start a drawing channel.

Wether you're a beginner or not, we could all help each other out at improving.

If you want to be pary of this leave a (you).

>inb4 go to an existing ic discord

Any established serevr is either dead or way too full to make sense or care about newcomers.

How do I create fundamental forms?
boxes are fine but I'm struggling with ellipses. Are they just circles confined on a plane? Does anyone have any tips?

>>3116189
Hey guys I just admitted to myself for being a retard, I want to know if you guys know any good art books on drawing people or topics related to the anatomy. And also how do I build goals for myself because I feel I've been doing the same damn thing for a long time on drawing