/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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Did the first exercise from KtD, pretty messy I know. Can I get some feedback please?

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>>3101433
FUCK YOU YOU'RE BETTER THAN ME WHAT THE FUCK
WHY IS EVERYONE BETTER THAN ME

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Am I FEELIN' the form yet?

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>>3083797

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Bite me if its not rotated my phones a bitch

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>>3101380
i mostly draw from reference or doodle but i tried drawing an actual thing from imagination. i kinda fucked up by not giving the pool depth really, but how does it look?

>>3101488
its nice but like you say the lack of depth really hurts it. Also the hands are pretty fucked

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Week long hiatus from drawing, I feel like shit

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>>3101537

>>3101493
>its nice
go back to tumblr

How do I achieve "conciseness" in my work?

Essentially, what can I do to make sure I focus on the most important subjects/forms/shapes/lines in an image? It's difficult for me to do things in a distinct order because I have to keep in mind where details are going to be at a later stage. Are there any particular exercises that are especially helpful for improving focus and "getting the big picture"?

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Hey guys. I've been trying to practice by drawing everyday and made this last night. What should I work on?

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What the fuck, Loomis?

>>3101438
just keep practicing anon, you'll get there.

Anyone got stuff to practice drawing hands with?

>>3101551
i don't think im anyone to give advice, but the placements of your features seems a bit off, and your lines are a bit too hard, for areas that should be defined with shadows.

>>3101566
Ok. Thanks for the help I'll keep in in mind for my next one

>>3101382
What is controversial about drawabox?

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>>3101567
not him but always remember your basics

>>3101449
i really like how your hatching shows off the planes of the skull, but you made the nose hold too dark and now it looks like he only has one nostril.

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How does this look so far?
Any advice?

>>3101551
it looks like you're trying to tilt the head, so practice drawing heads from different angles and apply perspective. just draw a whole lot of heads and learn proper construction so you know how to place features in perspective

>>3101582
you're the guy who's developing his creepy and unsettling style right? i like how you don't have so many lines on everything in this one. the surroundings don't look as busy and the focal point of the eye comes out more. obviously there are certain anatomy mistakes such as the palm of the left hand being much bigger than the right but i think you should continue and add some values and then ask for crits.

>>3101438

Don't compare yourself to others. That kind of thinking is poison.

anyone have anything good for referencing clothes? always fuck up on the creases/shading.

>>3101455
>>3101551

Study real face and basic head construction.

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hi, first time posting
what should I work on?
this took me about 1 hour and a half and i only used a Staedtler HB pencil

>>3101537
very nice

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Just now trying to start drawing, gone over only a couple fundamental things. So far I'm just stuck trying to draw stuff for fun in my free time to keep up my creativity. It just seems like it's such shit though, makes it really hard to keep going and try to make anything of a sketch when so close to starting it I feel like it's so terrible.

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>>3101488
also did a self portrait

>>3101565
a mirror

>>3101697
nice

>>3101582
thats from lilo and stitch

>>3101674
Thinking your work is terrible when you're just starting is good, it means you have good taste. Don't let brainless retards who'll plateau immediately due to thinking their deviantart tier shit is good pass you up because they're the only ones who don't get discouraged.

>>3101701
You mean that gay alien dude?

>>3101488

Everything is fucked. Not only the pool.

>>3101709
not saying that you are copying, it just straight came into my mind after looking at your drawing

>>3101630
bumping

>>3101630
Post/link ref if possible

Work on your values, get a range of pencils from 2H to 6B or 8B (I would recommend 2H, HB, 2B, 4B and 6B to start). Also pay attention to the highlights, especially in the hair.

Also, the image looks flat, try to get a feel for the form and shade accordingly, don't just copy. Work on your lines, think about what you draw and ghost them before doing to avoid chicken scratches, also start looking into line weight.

>>3101733
Thanks, here's the ref. I kinda drew the hair rapidly because I wanted to focus more on the face and locating the shadows. Also, how do I shade accordingly?

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>>3101751
forgot pic

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Finished what do you lot think?
Any criticisms?

>>3101674
Try something more simple that you can easily draw and make look good. It will give you a boost of confidence and give you more practice. Try drawing a bowl of fruit or random objects from life with simple shapes. If that sounds boring to you, at least try something less complicated than your picture.

The thing you're trying to draw is too difficult for a complete beginner. Even more advance people here will struggle with drawing that.

Which version of photoshop should I download?

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>>3101380
I hate this. How do I get better edges? Any tutorials from artists that don't suck? I wish the chinese tutorials on youtube had subs.

Also should I rather post this at the stilization thread?

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>>3101753

Study WIP

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I really want to draw this. Is it a waste of time trying to draw complex scenes when I'm a beginner?

>>3101831
That's not a super complex scene and yes it is, although it's not THAT hard to learn how, read some perspective. After that you'll realize that setting up an image is the easy part and filling it up is really hard.

>>3101831
yes. might i suggest some boxes?

>>3101834
>>3101835
That's a bummer. How long do I have to draw boring shit before I can draw what I like?

>>3101842
Like 3 years

Maybe more if you are very creative

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Fuck it yolo

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I'm kinda proud of the fact this only took me a little over 2 hours to draw. I feel like my face structure and anatomy need a little work though.

>>3101882
L O O M I S
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>>3101884
I actually used Loomis' principles to do this. I don't think my construction is wrong, but my shapes themselves, like the angles and perspective.

>>3101882
>face structure and anatomy need a little work though
Yes they do, keep at it

>>3101874
excuse me is this piece for sale

>>3101900
Yes I will sell it to you for -$5. I will pay you $5 to take this drawing from me.

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How is this looking so far? Any critiques?

>>3101902
i'm afraid i don't have that kind of money.

>>3101906
Why do most people like Daenerys? I'm only halfway through season 2, but honest I feel the least interested when I see the desert and know it's a Daenerys scene.

>>3101906
likeness is off, legs are kind of hard to see right now next to the eye but i'm hoping you'll fix those values before you finish, also the left arm is kind of awkward. try poses in the mirror to see where else you can place the arm.

>>3101908
Cuz dragons and dragon mother queen and shit. She gets better in later seasons imo.

>>3101910
Not really going for tv likeness but more of a younger version closer to the books. Mine looks a bit ugly atm though.

I'll try to fix the values to make stand out, and good idea for the left arm. Thanks!

>>3101907
i'm ded

>>3101919
we ded

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Hey I've got a question. I come from /fit/ and there we tell you to do ss, drink a gallon of milk a day, squat and eat oats. It will generally work for a while but after 6 months or so you will have giant legs, not much else, and probably be somewhat fat.

s "Loomis" kind of the /ic/ equivalent of that? I've been drawing every day for about 1-3 hours for about 3 weeks and I was drawing daily a few months ago too. I'm close to 100 hours total. I've seen some nice gains, Finished fun with a pencil, drawing on the right side, keys to drawing, & perspective made easy, but I've kind of hit a brick wall on figure drawing for all it's worth. Feel like it's well beyond what I can really do.

I really don't know what to practice or how to proceed from here.
Is Loomis a meme like ss + gomad in that it does work but only sort of?

Here's some progress.

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>>3101887
I just overlayed loomis head stuff over yours. I'm not that experienced but according to loomis the horizontal line should be where the brow is

>>3101932
/ic/ is most useful when you ask "can you recommend study material for 'x.'" do you have a certain area you want to improve on? anatomy, perspective, construction, etc? if not, draw from imagination and see what you're lacking.

>>3101934
Actually, it's good that you point that out, because I never got that. I only read Fun With A Pencil, and his early examples he puts the eyes just above the "eyeline" as he calls it. I'll have to take that into consideration next time, thank you.

>>3101943
that outline is wrong by the way, if you follow the jawline then the entire circle for the head should be bigger than the one you're seeing. pay attention to where the jaw comes out of the smaller side circle and you'll see what i mean.

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new poster here
anyone have some howtos/guides on drawing hair? because fuck am I bad at it

also would like some cc on this
the body/limbs are supposed to be gaunt and im not sure what the hell i was thinking with the skirt and background

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>>3101950
I'm not sure I know what you mean.
I drew the circle, then the cross, and drew the jaw to based on that. The original sketch is actually far less proportional than the final drawing.

Could you tell me which book and page I should look at for that information more specifically?

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>>3101950
You're right. My mistake, I was just trying to fit it to the whole head to see what it should be like if everything was fir into that size

>>3101954
I got this out of the beginning of Drawing the Head and Hands by Loomis

>>3101954
your sketch is better proportioned than the final, kek

>>3101952
do studies of hair and you'll learn all you need to know

>>3101572
No one?

>>3101976
the guy who made drawabox isn't that great at drawing.

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>>3101807
So I just made this. Is this better?

I want tips for hands

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filled in with charcoal to finish, thoughts on base sketch?

>>3101989
Try to draw them as simple 3d shapes, simplification is the key here. Watch proko videos on youtube.

Yo dudes, I'm just gonna give it out there for what it's worth.

Back in Summer 2016, I was drawing portraits, and I was doing really well with accuracy.

That lasted up to beginning of Fall. During the fall I didn't draw at all, and picked it up back in Winter (february 2016), when I picked it up again, I was awful, and my lines were very very inaccurate, and not because of the break (I took it before). I stopped and picked it back up again last month and I'm again very accurate.

From today, to Summer last year the only thing in common was that I was in the middle of no-fap and took drawing to keep myself distracted. I'm not sure if they're correlated but if you ever thought of giving it a shot, who knows if that may actually improve focus and make your lines better. IDK maybe it's a coincidence, but maybe you could try if it's not hard for you. I started drawing on day 8 or so.

GL.

>>3101988
Looks like someone stuck their head in wet concrete

>>3102009
Is that bad? please explain

>>3101981
Allright, thanks.

>>3102017
I'm not experienced enough to critique you. I just said what I saw. Better than anything I can make anyway

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg This is 3 hours of pure gold. Lecture of constructing the head.

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I need to go back to my fundies and studies but I hate them and I actually had fun with this sketch for once even though it sucks

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>>3102049
Not sure why the fuck it flipped wow

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value study i guess, i dont even know if i learned anything from it

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>>3101874
fuck it yolo x2

>>3102052
Resize it, jfc.

Try to push your values, it looks too bland right now. Occlusion shadow sells your drawing, kid.

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My Loomis drawings still keep falling the fuck apart when they aren't frontal view. I'm trying my hardest to picture the right form, etc but still no good at this point

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push me to the edge

>>3102083
can you show me where should i add occlusion shadows?

>>3101433
Do it again but with a pencil

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So I started detailing before realizing these legs are stiff as shit. How should I change them to be more natural while retaining the masculine, dominating feel?

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Lol

>>3101785
CC 2017

>>3102100
spend more time rendering, have you gotten rid of those frog eyes yet?

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2nd exercise from KtD.
Feedback pls

>>3102139

"A resounding success!"

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Didn't draw for a few months so I'm trying to regain some skill. Thoughts on this, particularly the deer's anatomy?

>>3102107
Ear hole, nostrils and skin's folds are good places to put it. Go with near all black value. With that background value you also want stronger blacks in general.

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yolo

Crit please, I think I'm having a better understanding of the eyes now. Not so much for the nose or the mouth tho

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I want to create a simple background for this one would just going over the background in a complimentary color be okay or should i jut go all out and draw somethimg more complex?

>>3102158
KtD is about drawing what you see, so there's no way for us to tell how successful you were without being shown what you were looking at, i.e your reference.

Haven't been to these threads for about a month. What happened to all the initial posts with references? Granted I can go use the reference thread so it's not a big deal just curious

>>3102286
OP kept getting called gay so (s)he stopped

I got roughlt 4 hours each day to draw
How and what should I draw in order to improve?
I just want to grind fundamentals and git gud

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i tried to draw today for the first time, i thought i should draw a fluffy pony, what do you think?

It was really my first time trying draw something that isnt just eyes and it took me up to 2 hours trying to make it detailed as possible until i lost interrest in that drawing

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I do not know this board at all, do I belong to /beg/ or not ? I'm a Product Design student so Graphic Tab isn't my favorite style but I did this in an hour or so.

>>3101551
Blending could definitely use some work.

>>3101630
The face is too big in relation to the skull. It helps to think of the human skull as a giant egg shaped cranium with a face hanging off of it. People tend to draw things that are important bigger, you have to force yourself to look objectively.

>>3102324
Yes you are /beg/. The proportions aren't terrible, the left shoulder looks really out of place. The rendering and values are awful.

>>3102318
Wow, amazing! How are you so could? First time drawing and you're already that good, damn. Could I perhaps be your future disciple?

>>3102330
i cant tell if this is real; it definitely looks pretty good for just an hour's work. clearly not much effort was put into rendering.

>>3102324
give us a finished piece/one that you spent time on and we'll decide

>>3102336
To me /beg/ means not good enough for professional work. So the image he posted is /beg/ tier. Especially for a photo copy.

>>3102197
do you sell prints?

>>3102330

Yeah it wasn't supposed to be a full rendering thing, I prefer things when they're kinda messy but I'll take this, proportions are a big weakness.

>>3102336
Alright, I'll do something more polished tonight I guess. Gotta decide if I do it with the Tablet or with manual mediums

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>tfw you have an early onset of alzheimer's

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How does the proportion of the head compare to the hat? Looks good or?

>>3102420
program? also looks like you rounded off the far right side too late, and it looks like there's a lot more material on that side. head proportions look fine, though

>>3102430
I'm using SAI.
>also looks like you rounded off the far right side too late
Oh thats no problem since I got everything on different layers so I can just fix it.
>head proportions look fine, though
noice, I'll continue then

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>>3083194

>>3102350
Why troll me like this? I'm just a simple man, trying to draw something I can fap to

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>>3102212
Forgot pic

>>3101807
well first of all you aren't going to get good edges with a textured brush

start with a flat midtone silhouette and then do the values on top

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>>3102336

Hey, >>3102324 there.

I didn't have the time to draw a complete thing so I'm just going to throw a few more portraits I did. I mean, I actually rarely spend a lot of time on pieces so this is all I have RN. Is it still /beg/ ? I feel like I've seen much worse things outside of this thread but IDK I'm probably biased because it is my own work

>>3101449
Nope

>>3101874
>>3101900
>>3102082
Guys..

>>3102052
Not half bad but the values don't work yet
Push them more, also hard edges here and there would be nice
You're in the right direction

>>3102446
values, construction, proportion

>>3102561
I like the top right but it's just a sketch
You need more work

>>3102561
nice ricc

>>3102566
>Guys..

What's wrong?

>>3102572
Made me giggle

>>3102576
wow....

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First exersize of the Famous Artists Course. How did I do?

>>3102561
you have a good eye but sketches from observation!=not a beginner

>>3101547
What's your current process of attacking a drawing? and what kind of drawings do you usually do? The more I draw, the more I understand of how I should be tackling a drawing, but I still find myself getting lost in unnecessary details and losing sight of the big picture.

I know focusing and drawing major forms first is important since they decide where the smaller things go in relation to them.

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Haven't drawn in a long time. Are my proportions about right in this? Clearly drawn without reference.

>>3102132
At this point, I don't think there's going to be an easy fix for that kind of thing. It might be a good point to launch off and try doing anatomy studies on legs, then try another drawing like it again using what you've learned from this drawing.

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I'm high help guys

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study

>>3102602
I know the OP says to post even the smallest exercise but some of you guys amaze me when you post things like that. It looks like it took you 5 seconds. We don't need updates to every stroke you make.

>>3102622
stop being a downer bitch. your inhibiting his art just let him do his thing

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So, I'm stuck on the first lesson of drawabox. It says to draw from the shoulder but I can't figure out if they meant that literally because it's pretty hard to draw just using my shoulder socket. In this picture I used my elbow and it resulted in this. Is this any good? Should I just go on to the next lesson? No reference btw

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What do you think /ic/?

Couldn't come up with any creative poses today

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>>3101808

redraw and attempt to render the face.

>>3102624
I'm sorry. But you have to consider some of the things that get posted here. There are a bunch of beginners that don't read book explanations for exercises and post their work, assuming responses would always be beneficial. There are some that rush through their work, then post here asking how to fix the mistakes they're already seeing.

Take it slow. If you can already see some mistakes take the time and try to fix them to the best of your ability. Google shit out. Work just a little harder. You're your best critic, so please respect yourself and your audience and take the time to fix and actually THINK about what you're doing. Don't rush, good practice comes slow.

Posts like the one I responded to are a little insulting because anon didn't take the time to work on what he's doing, and then expects us to help him. If you don't bother doing things for yourself why should others help you? You're not truly trying. Any advice would be lost.

>>3102651
>beginners arent doing it right
wow

>>3102651
Only post that makes sense in this shit thread

>>3102561
still beg i think

>>3102621
lookin clean anon

got the ref? i'd like to try my hand on it

>>3102156
yes

>>3102631
Just keep your wrist still and draw in big smooth motions. If you avoid drawing like you write then you will be fine

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tear me a new one

im just going to move on to gesture drawing, faces are hard and my apprehension of loomis is piss poor

also, im aware i chicken scratch way too often. how do i practice getting away from this? is drawabox my only option?

>>3102631
>9999x9999

resize before posting you god damn retard

you need to do hundreds of those strokes for weeks

>>3102633
is this the new chicken hatching technique?

>>3102711
Draw-a-box is pretty bad, I'd say just think about your line before you start and try to do it in one big C, S or straight line.

You should see improvements quickly, alternatively what I do is kinda go crazy on my initial sketch and just try to be accurate and then go over it with a pen doing what I said in the first sentence

>>3102690
>>3102717
>fell for the troll

ayy lmao

>>3102732
>mfw didnt notice the 9999x9999 resolution because its 500KB

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What do you read to into body proportions?

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I'm just gonna post some things I've been working on the past few days.

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>>3102758
This is probably the best shoe I've ever drawn. The shoelaces can be a real bitch. It took me some time to figure out which laces/holes to draw first and what overlapped where.

>>3102757
lots and lots of figure studies to 1) get a general feel of the human body's lengths and 2) realize that no two bodies are inherently "the same" (in the sense that there aren't concrete measurements)

time to grind!

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>>3102759
Portraits have been a real challenge for me. I'm gonna check out the three hour video in here for drawing heads/faces and see what I can learn from it.

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>>3102764
I'm also doing the Keys to Drawing challenges since I saw the other anon doing them too. I think the hardest thing about drawing is making it a habit and not constantly procrastinating the whole thing.

When you're painting a study is it best to block in the forms with big brushes and slowly refine the proportions and forms until you reach a likeness or is it better to do a tight line drawing with everything in the right place and then jumping into the painting?

First drawing as the sticky said

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>>3102859
Oops wrong one

>>3101756
I think it's because there are a large number of kids growing up with animation, and then drawing it early on, but I've noticed what I like to call "cell shading art."

This is where a person will have about the same level of detail as a single animation frame.

If you are going for unnerving things try to do hyperrealism, but distort it in a way that you've already done.

I think it would look perfect, and you would get more praise.

>>3102860
You are meant to turn it rightside up afterwards

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>>3102803
For me personally, I find it more helpful to do a tight line drawing focusing on proportion and accuracy, and then blocking in my largest shadow masses and forms once I know my drawing is accurate.

Sometimes it is also helpful to look at artist's drawings or preliminary work to understand how they approach form.

Mark Tennant is an artist I really admire, and I think in looking at his drawings, you can understand how important accuracy in drawing is, and how so little tone can do so much.

>>3102874
To be clear, that's a drawing by Mark Tennant, not myself.

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good enough for college portfolio?

>>3102876
If the college is shit, maybe.

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>>3102870
Do I just keep doing this exercise until he looks good?

>>3102879
The idea is to just show you that by forgetting about your preconceptions about what a person should look like and just focusing on the lines and angles, etc, you create a much more accurate drawing.
By turning it upside down you achieve this. I would suggest just moving on once you understand this and try and apply it

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Working on some environments and mechs for a change.

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yolo

>>3101554
im stuck here

HELP
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>>3101554
Loomis sucks. Only that last one is a shape of any practical use. Cagey fuck

>>3102908
What do you need help with exactly? I got stuck on that one before myself.

>>3102631
>>3102690
WTF! Now I have to draw with my whole arm? What is this shit? Why does it matter? REEEEEE!

>>3102918
You need to draw with your whole body. Become the pencil

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What's wrong with my loomis heads? I know the features are shit but I'm trying to get the head looking right but they always turn out looking shit like this

>>3102879
Not even in the original does Stravinsky "look good" so I don't even know why this study is a thing.

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>>3102083
Like this? Still working on it

>>3102921
No seriously though, why can't I draw with my wrist?

>>3102923
Animoomis

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>>3102928
Pic related is from the sticky

>>3102930
I can't draw nearly as precisely with my shoulder. This is going to be like starting all over again ffs

>>3102935
Post work.

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>>3102930
>watch the recommended video
>tripod grip
>wait what?

It was about this moment that the truth began to set in. Anon had been holding his pencil like a complete autist for 25 years of life

>>3102923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

If I am a shitter who only knows how to draw crappy dragon ball like anime and knows basically nothing about theory which book should I start studying?

>>3102947
You might as well pack it up right now familia

>>3102958
keys to drawing

>>3102958
keys to drawing as the other anon said

also, grab objects and fruits and everything you can find from your house and draw from life

try to get PERSPECTIVE right, watch basic videos on youtube about it, alphonso dunn or proko have good ones on it

draw/paint in the shades/values on it, try to place the object under interesting lights

that's the best way i know of to at least start learning to draw what you see niqq

>>3102957
What's wrong with the loomis method?

>>3102958
The answer is read the sticky

>>3101551
You're symbol drawing, you need to break out of it. You'll progress very quickly once you do.

>>3101674
You could learn a lot from Keys to Drawing by Burt Dodson. For example, he dedicates an entire section to learning how to place a drawing on a page. As you'll notice you've deformed the legs in your copy to fit them on a page. Keys to Drawing will correct many of your beginner mistakes.

>>3101998
Nice, I've been drawing roses too lately, really fun to draw them.

>>3102100
How do I get as good as you?

>>3102947
Man I remember this dude in school who wrote with this fucking hook grip on the pencil. It was the most deformed way I've ever seen someone write. At least you're not as bad as him

>draw a face with just observation
>needs construction

>draw a face with construction, trying to reduce the complex shapes into simple symbols, and building up the complexity from those
>stop symbal drawing
REEEEEEEEE

>>3103009
You can't expect to get it right so soon anon

How come I never get (You)s in these threads?

>>3103011
desu I feel like I'm getting too caught up in the construction shapes of the method, I forget to observe the actual shapes in the picture.
If you get what I mean.

<<3103013
I don't konw anon

>>3101537
How do you do gestures?

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AOISDFHSODHFSADFHGSDIUFGSDFIU

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>>3103031
Anyone wanna tell me I'm drawing cymbals?

>>3103031
stop drawing faces and read keys to drawing

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>>3103034
I did.

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>>3102603
I tried anyway.

>>3103045
Holy shit. How are you so creative?

>>3103045
He stabbed his foot with the sword...

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>>3103049
Can't put it all on myself, it's Chroma (without his pelt) and the Galatine Prime from Warframe.

>>3103059
It's supposed to be stabbed into the ground behind his foot, because the sword in actuality would be from his foot to his head in length, which would be an awkward arm position.

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>>3103032

Tips on how to actually study? How do I make sure I'm learning anything and being productive.

>>3103071
As long as you've learned something by the end of it or have refined a certain lacking area, you're fine.

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>>3102676
sure

>anon said he was gonna redraw my thing from 2 threads ago
Did I get bamboozled?

>>3102631
>9999x9999
>stuck on drawabox
>No reference btw
Hard to believe there are people that took this seriously

hey guys I need some advices; I'm a bit tired of improvisation, I want to learn how to draw without any like with construction lines like comics or manga. Any book that is not a loomis one you can recommend ?

>>3103108
Every artist you look at draws with construction lines, even manga artists, so pick up literally any artbook and stare at it.

>>3102050
draw someone sober

>>3102446
Daniel Lanois fan!

>>3103112
Nope, my influences are mainly based on improvisation, or very very basic construction lines

If my goal isn't portrait drawing, is it important to learn to copy things perfectly? Isn't it enough to learn to put things in pretty much the right places in pretty much the right shapes?

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im gay yolo

>>3103127
What is your goal? I'd say if you want to paint landscapes and environments, you don't need it, but then, Noah Bradley starts his courses with perfect copying.

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Can i make it?

>>3103166
make what ?

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>>3103166

>>3103157
I just want to learn to do believable character scetches for rp that are void of the biggest of fuck-uppetry.

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>>3103167
To the big leagues man
>>3103170

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>>3103173

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>>3103175

>>3103173
define "big leagues"

>>3103183
Opening a game for the Giants and striking a home run swinging a bat sized pencil

>>3102132
-9/11 not moving through the mission fast enough.

>>3103189
draw this

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>>3101952
Here

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Figure drawing is painful.

>>3103030
Glenn Vilppu, use soft newsprint paper, use charcoal pencils and how to sharpen them correctly, use your shoulder, and practice practice practice

>>3103210
Sauce on this book pls

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Day 2

First time trying posing, drawing at an angle that isn't straight from the front, and adding flesh to a stick figure. Mostly concentrated on getting center of gravity right. This is getting fun.

>>3103287
I'm using the ヒロマサのお絵かき講座 series. There's two books, head and body. He's releasing a third called movement soon, I think.

I don't think any translations exist, though.

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>>3103325
I envy your confidence, but your construction and proportions are abysmal.

First thing: your dude shouldn't be 7 heads tall when his knees are bent, it means you're stretching parts of his body in order to reach that mark considering he's all in the same perspective.

Are you following any materials/methods or just feeling things out on your own? There's very simple ways to construct the various body parts and then put them together. You're over-complicating some parts, under-complicating others, and then holding them together with toothpicks and glue. A good example is your lack of understanding on how the head works. Pic related is Loomis' excellent explanation for the construction of the head. Skim his books and look at the diagrams, there's a reason they're recommended for beginners.

If this is your second day overall of formally learning to draw, you should focus on individual parts and fundies instead of trying to draw figures. I'm not saying you have to just draw boxes in perspective or whatever, draw simpler forms and then try putting together different shapes to create individual body parts. Drill each part until you find a really good way to build it before moving on to another one.

You can't build a cabin directly from trees, the trees have to be cut down and shaped into the right lumber before they can form a proper structure. Likewise, you won't learn anything from trying to draw the human figure if you don't understand construction and form first.

>>3101932
Loomis isn't a meme, you're supposed to start with FWAP and skim for his diagrams. What you should get out of it is a good understanding of fundamentals and the basics of construction.

The issue is similar to /fit/ memes in that it's not a comprehensive method. Loomis won't actually develop your skills, he will set down the guidelines that you build your skills on. Only way you can improve is by practicing. Look at the exercises of Drawabox to see what you should actually be DOING to get better. You'll have to repeat the same things over and over, slightly modifying your methods each time until you can get desirable results. It's a grind, just like getting fit. You won't get better just from knowing how to get better, you have to actually put it into practice and develop the muscle memory.

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>>3103351
>I envy your confidence, but your construction and proportions are abysmal.
I mean, I'm not here for hugboxes, but I didn't really learn those yet much yet either. I'm just kinda reading about things and trying them out at this point, I'll do all of the small details after I give the book at least one full pass.

>your dude shouldn't be 7 heads tall when his knees are bent, it means you're stretching parts of his body in order to reach that mark considering he's all in the same perspective.
I thought 6 to 8 heads was normal? Also he's kinda supposed to be on his toes, but I just drew random shapes for feet since I haven't really learned to draw them yet.

>>3103364
nice cymbals

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>>3103356
I think you're in the wrong thread buddy.

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>>3103373
I go in other threads and they just tell me to come back here.

>>3103397
I think the other guy was being sarcastic

>>3103325
>Day 2
>I, Frankenstein, finally brought the creature to life

>>3103217
>Figure drawing is painful
Anon... t was a joke when I said the right way to hold your pencil is by sticking it in your urethra

>>3103166
I read your comic thrice and am still puzzled. Pretty solid linework for what I can only assume was created under heavy drug use.

>>3103148
>im gay
You know, this is what I appreciate about gays - they draw dicks like dicks, and not like a banana stuck in a guys lower abs like >>3103045

>>3103031
That's just the expression my uncle made, when he said he had a pet snake. It was nocturnal. Good times.

>>3103356
Better than 90% of /beg/

I'd say finish som of them sketches and go to /alt/

>>3103402
>>3103397
Was not being sarcastic.
I like it, keep it up man.

>>3103410
He is super /beg/ though.

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>>3103409

>>3103397
Never thought alt style threads were so full of themselves, so I went there, found out they are actually pretty good, so yeah, I'd say you belong here. On a sidenote, they've got some cool refs there.

I've been doing construction with basic shapes with animals and stuff but it's getting a little boring. What's a good followup to keep the fundie ball rolling while I'm using basic shapes and basic perspective? Should I jump into Anatamy/figure drawing or learn to shade basic shapes?

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The guys in the referenced I used were clothed so I had to guess what they would look like naked in this perspective. yolo

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Been trying to learn perspective recently, does it look correct here

>>3103328
Do you know of any good Japanese books on alternative style that have translations?

>>3103439
frightening rate of improvement

>>3103440
resize your image and clean up your lines and I'll give you my three dollars and fifty cents

>>3103456
pls no bully

>>3103457
I'm artblocked. I can't seem to spend more than 5 min on a drawing.

>>3103466
Are you fucking serious?
If I could, I would take a huge shit down your throat, but you would probably like that wouldn't you?

>>3103469
y bully??

>>3103470
my father used to beat my mother and I, it toughened me up, it made me hard on other individuals

>>3103468
that is just being lazy

>>3103492
your father gave the world a piece of shit for a son

jk. keep it up

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trying to improve my rendering.

>>3103517
its good. just stuck in the mids.

>>3103517
are your hard (relative) edges on 100% hardness? at first glance doesn't seem like it "pops" enough i.e. contrast between soft and hard. or maybe i'm expecting too much

>>3103439
this is just embarassing

at least you're drawing what you enjoy and... that's all that matters

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sketching poses

Someone explain bargue plates to me. I don't get why they would be useful.

>>3103517
How long did this take you? Very nice

>>3103517
what are you doing in /beg/? get out.

>>3103557
grayscale rendering is still beg. everyone should be doing it

>>3103547
looks quite nice overall. The arms are too symmetrical and stiff and her right boob is a bit off. I dig the line quality though.

>>3103552
It is just an exercise to train your perception, patience, and rendering skills. Academic drawing is basically doing everything you can to trace without actually tracing. Some art schools only teach this method of drawing.

>>3103425

The jaw doesn't protrude. Really pay attention to the angle. Knowing how the skull and face muscle work will help.

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>>3101380
Is this a good reference?

>>3103546
How about instead of being mean, you can critique what I did wrong? Besides choosing a subject matter that bothers you

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I'm not exactly looking for critiques but here's a drawing of mine regardless.
What I'm more wondering is how do you stay motivated to draw? I see so much good art all the time and it's just, so overwhelming and the knowledge that I still have so much left to learn only tired me out. How do you get yourself to keep practicing?

>>3103577
Everything is wrong

>>3103403
That isn't a dick though, it's a codpiece, and that's how it sticks out the Warframe (see >>3103062), although it pokes out a bit too much in my drawing.

>>3103059

>>3103579
Motivation is fragile, you need discipline. Start telling yourself you must draw for half an hour every day. Must. You can't miss a single day. The longer you do it the sooner it'll become a habit. To make it easy, do it as early as possible, so you won't end up procrastinating all day.

>>3103607
I've never tried to draw a figure from that angle. Got any advice that could help?

>>3103547
How do I get as good as you

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>>3101380
im reading hamptons figure drawing book and im practicing gestures alongside this.

i notice a couple issues ive been having,for one i can never draw without cutting off a part because of it being too close to the edge.
and alternatively without even realising till its too late.i shorten parts of the body to try and make it fit.

can i get some advice please?

>>3103613
this issue has been carried over from back when i was even doing traditional practice.

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>>3103613
imma post a couple more

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>>3103613
>>3103622
last one for now

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>>3103356
these ones are from reference

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This is my first dip into water coloring. My mom thinks my art is good, so I have that going for me. Where should I improve?

>>3103626
can u get your mom here

>>3103579

I took this advice >>3103609
And have drawn more studies than the past 2 years

>>3103628
She would have a problem with that

>>3103626
Your mom sounds like a nice lady. It's good to have people who are supportive of your passion.

>>3103629
So how many is that? Like 5?

>>3103613
problem 1: plan the figure so that it should fit or draw thumbnails first

problem 2: keep practicing in order to train your eye to proportions

>>3103626
>Where should I improve?
Is this a study? Referenced? Nobody can tell you how to improve when you just post a random picture and ask for non-specific advice.

>>3103657
>>3103657
>>3103657

>>3103657
>>3103657
>>3103657

>>3103657
>>3103657
>>3103657

>>3103559
Thanks for the critique. Will work on that

>>3103612
practice yer gestures and anatomy

>>3103645
I meant something along the lines of my watercolor techniques, I'm using watercolor pencils so it's probably a lot of different techniques.
Also I feel like my lighting could use some work, I just don't know where to start with it.

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Can I get some critique on the shading?
If you could point out any other blaring issues with it that'd be great too.
>inb4 ears

Is composition more improtant than technique?

>>3104073
What kind of brush did you use for the light? Looks like an eraser trying to remove watercolor. Also it depends on what kind of effect you want.
Try to think of it like this. What is the surface of the face like? Is it dry, wet, sweaty? When it comes to lighting, it's crucial to know how light reflects off of different surfaces, and where the light comes from. If you wanna get good at shading you need to make at least one grey scale, perferably pencil on a paper for starters. It was the very first thing i learned to do at art school.
Overall the light does a poor job of defining the face, but keep working anonymous, and it's gonna look better.

>>3104102
Composition is a technique, and a big aspect of any picture.
Composition is how you line up everything in you picture, people, objects, foreground, background, lighting,etc. You use it to draw the veiwers attention to where you want their eyes to be looking (which can be more than one place). where characters are placed and where they look is important, even if you just want something to look nice.
You don't value one technique over the other, because things like composition, color, values, perspective, and light all serve to add feelings, story, or just plain asthetics to the picture.
If you're thinking technique as in naturalism (life-like drawing) then yes, composition is more important. Because you can use a different style, like someting toony or abstract or pixelart. But if you loose something important in your picture by not drawing naturalistic, then it doesn't matter if the composition is bad or not, because it will have nothing to do with the problem.

>>3102100
Nice, I'm new to digital painting and I don't get how you guys get away with those large airbrush strokes. Whenever I do those it looks like shit

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never considered myself good at art, but i made this and was wondering what you guys thought of it. i just used paint.net and a bunch of layers so it all overlaps properly

>>3104179
This was a pretty quick bit so for the entire thing I used the same chalk brush. I thought I did okay with the lighting but I guess not. Thank you for pointing it out, I'll look up some tuts/guides for facial lighting and try to git gud