/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3098540
Sorry to hijack the thread anon.

I urge beginner anons to stick to Keys to Drawing and/or Betty's book until one or both are absolutely completed.

The "essential" thing is to be confident at drawing things in front of you and to develop the ability to assess if what you drew is "correct", which is what these books will do to a large degree and teach you how to do it.

Developing your eye, your visual memory and the ease of drawing things in front of you both analytically as well as gesturally should take a lot more precedence than anything else.

You'll have to resist the urge of getting all these books and getting overwhelmed with information from sometimes conflicting viewpoints.

Most of the shit in "Beginner's essential books" isn't beginner at all. You'll struggle to get the most out of these books because they have a lot of wisdom that isn't apparent (or applicable to any real degree) to beginners.

Loomis is advanced beginner. Hogarth is intermediate. Scott Robertson is intermediate. Vilppu is advanced. James Gurney is very advanced. Alla Prima and Problem Solving for Oil Painters shouldn't even be on here.

(PS. Don't use drawabox, seriously. Keys to Drawing is miles and above better.)

>>3098562
I'll edit up the followup post, thanks for your input. Was wondering when someone would comment on it.

Is there anyway to get a splattered "bleached" look on a charcoal drawing?

I tried rubbing alcohol and bleach on a tester and it did nothing

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Drawing figures is hard. I tried to copy the reference image but kind of just did my own thing once that wasn't going well..
Still looks like shit though

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I have a question regarding digital art: do pros use opacity based on pen pressure very often? For me, it just seems so hard to control, and it often makes me repeat my strokes 3X more to get a solid color. Am I doing something wrong here? I can never possibly press hard enough for it to be 100%.

A better solution in my eyes would be to control opacity on the fly for blending colors, but I really wanted to know how other people did it. Should I just get used to repeating motion after motion?

>>3098645
change the flow
it's next to the opacity if you're using ps

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You think Matt would be p-proud of me?

>>3098655
>pointy ellipses
don't

>>3098658
Left foot is kind of lacking
His beard is a bit stiff
Also what's up with that pose

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>>3098658

>>3098647
Taking out flow gives me even less control.

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Hi, reposting this

>>3098680
Add a highlight on the boots since they're supposed to be leather
The way home neck connects to the shoulder on the left isn't quite right
And fix the black hole that is his mouth right now

The pose looks really nice though

>>3098680
>>3098684
Kek I opened up both of these and switched tabs fast to see what was different. Mfw bobbing head

>>3098687
yeah I spotted a mistake I wanted to correct, is the neck issue still there?

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Really need some help with face values. Something isn't right, but I've been looking at it too long and my brain is fried. Obviously not done with it.
All crits welcome please and thank you

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gonna try to draw this later

>>3098692
where is the light coming from?

>>3098692
Shoulders seem too high, I know he's got that fur thing but it still seems off. Legs look a bit weak compared to the rest of the body, try beefing them up a bit

>>3098692
You should worry about those arms first

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>>3098698
What specifically is the issue?

Also made the thing less fluffy so there is more neck present.

>>3098692
There isn't enough contrast anywhere on the body, find a grayscale statue and copy it.

>>3098704
Anatomically correct but it's not you would cross your arms naturally. Since your brown lines don't actually follow your current arms' outlines I assume you already see the issue, the slant is too steep.

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>>3098704
Here´s how best to specify a light source: with a cone. I have no idea if the light source in that image is behind the character, in front of the character, or anything really.

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>>3098726
>>3098704
>>3098712
By grayscale statue I mean like this.
There is not sufficient contrast.

>>3098658
This looks like one of those Wikihow drawings.

>>3098764
Holy shit it does
I was wondering what it was reminding me of

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>>3098764
Thanks

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Two five minute studies, trying to focus on proportions and line work.

>>3098797
don't post 10 minutes worth of work

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Do you have any idea about what I'm missing on the cheek area? I'm trying to overcome my chicken scratchness and lose some bad habits but I can't seem to understand that.

>>3098802
fuck off mate, you're not the /beg/ police
how about 'don't shitpost'

>>3098797
What are the circles in the middle of heads supposed to indicate?

>>3098822
And this is why /ic/ has gone to shit.

>>3098826
He's just doing the whole construction shapes that professor's and beginner books teach you. Helpful but pointless after you advance awhile.

>>3098829
Tell me about this construction shape stuff please. Being, from what I can tell, forced to learn it to get anywhere has been a big reason for me to procrastinate drawing at all, because I don't understand it and it's unfun to do.

>>3098837
Stop spamming this shit.

>>3098827
i know right, why would you tell people not to post drawings?

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how does this edgy girl look

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So I haven't drawn since childhood maybe 15 years back. On a whim I decided to visit /ic/ and look into starting a little again. This is surprisingly fun.
I'm not looking for critique with this post, I just wanna confirm that drawing is comfy.

>>3098895
Her left eye seems a bit misplaced, but otherwise I like it.
You also need to work on your hands and fingers :^)

>>3098900
maybe you should be looking for critique

>>3098928
Nah friend I'll do that in two years when I've grasped basic understanding of things. Right now I'm barely doodling.

>>3098900
Enjoy your journey.

>>3098935
Aye.

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>>3098900
>>3098929
Ayy I feel ya
I haven't even started on the recommended books, only ctrlpaint (love it) but I feel like I improve so much for each drawing I do

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Doing a self portrait, any help?
Realized that the perspective is a bit stretched since the Sketch was lying downwards. Am in car so limited mobility.

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>>3098975
And this is my mom, only warm and bright tones have been added, putting blue and black last

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>>3098979
And this is my grandma. She looked totally fine from my perspective, until I tilted the book upwards... and saw its unfortunate state, arrows indicate what needs to be moved and expanded.

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>>3099015
Oops, sorry about that

But yeah, maybe it's time to draw faces

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>>3098693
I tried and failed. Fuck it yolo

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Is there anything i did wrong?

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Reposting my art from another thread.
But how is my shading is it good based on light source?
How can I add realistic qualities to an other wise cartoon and unrealistic scene?
What are some artists that are a similar style as mine but, are more technical or stylized better like something to gain some inspiration from? I can post more drawings as well.

>>3099082
Is this a troll?

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>>3098539
i have been trying to draw more interiors to practice/learn perspective. realizing now i shoulda added some shading to the fireplace, it looks totally flat damn

>>3099152
also yea my lines got slanted af towards the left

>>3099152
Nah, I can easily tell what everything is. It's pretty decent. Keep up the practice.

Anyone know what this is from and who is doing the painting?
>>3098020

I need to draw something, but I don't know what. I feel like if I just put in more practice, I'll progress quickly, but I never feel like drawing anything. This sucks.

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how do you do reflected light? should i just slap a little blue on the cube and a little red on the table?

Hey guys, I'm 28, I just decided to start learning how to draw. I'm curious, is it possible to git gud completely digitally? I was gifted an old wacom intuos tablet and I was just going to use that in combination with photoshop to sketch.

>>3099182
yes

>>3099182
Before you get chewed to shreds, it's best to have a healthy blend of both digital and traditional to be a well rounded, versatile artist. However, it's totally up to you. Digital and traditional both have very different feels and require different techniques/skills, so personally I think mastering both is extremely beneficial.

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I trid to draw a warhammer battle scene but i immediately gave up

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Ignore the cartoon characters

I need advice on rendering the pavement

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Posting progress on this thing >>3098946 before I go to bed
Good night everyone~

So, if I'm understanding this right, the way to draw a human body should be Gesture -> Loomis Mannikin -> Add Anatomy?

Also, I'm thinking of specializing in drawing porn. I should be primarily studying the female figure and dicks right?

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>>3099215
Start with breast physics, mate. Everything else can vary, but breasts need to be proper. Never falter on making good breasts, and it will carry your career.

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is this pose correct? some tips?

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>>3099231

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>>3098539
idek why im posting desu

What do I need to focus on if I never intend to draw realistical things, pretty much only stylized cartoon stuff / shortstack futa hentai?
>anatomy
>lines and not chicken scratches
>shapes
etc?

>>3098802
Sorry I guess? I'm trying to figure out if there's anything I've done wrong so that I don't waste any more 10 minutes making the same mistakes over and over again.

>>3099239
Drawing from imagination, figures

>>3099152
don't be afraid to use a ruler to draw the axes

also many objects look very flat, especially the fireplace's facade. I feel from that perspective you should be seeing more than front views of several objects

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fuck, i didn't expect digital sketching to be this much harder than traditional, i can barely draw a straight line, let alone measure properly.

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>>3099259
ref

>>3099259
crank dat stabilizer fampire

>>3099152
this is wholesome af fuck rules

How do you quiet your mind of all the noise of the world so you can practice every day?

>>3099262
That does seem easier, but is it a crutch that's gonna fuck me in the future? Or will my hand-eye coordination eventually just get good enough to not need it regardless?

>>3099266
You're supposed to direct the noise of your mind towards art, not silence it, dumbo

>>3099272
I doubt this kind of mental noise would be useful for that.

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I just did this engineer on paint.
Any tips so i can improve? I'm not good with shadows and that kind of stuff, so i don't implement them in my drawings

I need help with practice for technique, posture and generally keeping my hand steady and making it do what I want. What are some of the best pieces of advice and resources for working on this?

>>3099289
50k hip hip hooray

>>3098617
i think the problem is you're drawing what you expect not what you see.

the body is straight up, both legs are completely visible where as in the reference her body curves to the right and her right leg partially covers her left leg.

I think you just need to pay more attention to the reference

>>3098684

I think they probably need teeth, the left knuckle should be less of just a squiggle and the feet need work but apart from that its great

>>3099027

its a pretty decent effort

>>3099237

hand is pretty wild but apart from that you're good at doing art

>>3099289
Did you use a reference for that?

>>3099313
i did the hand with a blunter pencil with lines that aren't straight, and the reference was foreshortening hell, but thanks friendo <3

How many hours do you practice a week?

>>3099361
like 1, if im feeling in the mood

>>3099366
Some weeks I don't even pick up a pencil. I need to fix my habits or I'm never going to make it.

>>3099270

It's a crutch. If you don't have any disabilities or have neurological disorder like hand tremors I suggest training you hand eye coordination.

>>3099219

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id_1yth1nZQ

>>3099237
cranium seems a tad small

>>3098975
Well it looks fine to me, other than the eyebrows.

>>3099027
It looks good but don't put lines around the lips and work on drawing hair.

>can't draw a straight line
Literally how do I do it?

>>3099419
with a ruler.

>>3099419
What >>3099438 said. Don't fall for the "all natural" meme, what anyone will ever truly care about is the final product, not how you got there.

>>3099177
Yes, but try to apply the colors with a brush that has pressure opacity turned on

>>3099442
>>3099419

You can use tools but being able to draw lines, curve and basic geometric shapes will make your process more intuitive.

You just have to practice drawing lines and it WILL get better. It's that fucking easy.

>>3099201

You better add my little pony in there, brah.

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I really like thomas coal paintings. How can I get good ad landscapes and light?

Should I just try to copy his paintings or is there a process that you wouldn't know about if you weren't a painter yourself?

>>3099494
Lurk more, read books. Learn the basics. Walk before you run.

>>3099494
holy shit i don't know colour at all.
I took that painting into photoshop and the entire image is within red to mid green hue. the blue sky and blue water are just desaturated hot colors. i found like one or two violet pixels in the sky but that is it

>>3099494
The Hudson River School produced great landscape paintings. This is a very deep topic but hopefully you find this helpful:

First, get really good at drawing what is in front of you. This will take some time but the better you are at this, the easier the rest of it gets, and once you can render out the midtones, highlights, shadows and reflected lights, you can proceed to doing landscape type studies to your heart's content.

Hudson River students like Bierstadt, Moran, Cole etc all did a lot of sketches. See if you can go out to a park, sit and draw the trees. Really study them. Do the same for clouds and other features.

Two book recommendations for you:

Drawing Scenery: Landscapes and Seascapes by Jack Hamm
Artistic Anatomy of Trees by Rex Vicat Cole

You can find more in this section, but these two are good starting points. Other books on this subject deal with rendering out individual things out.

Erik Koeppel has videos by the current school that teaches in Hudson River style, the Grand Central Atelier. He taught there for some time from what I understand.

http://streamlineartvideo.com/titles/koeppel/

Seascapes are a topic unto themselves, I won't get into it now. Hopefully this helps you out.

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>>3099528
thanks for putting me in the right direction

>>3099484
for fuck's sake

>>3098975
You don't look like an anime girl so I'd say the problem is the likeness was not captured, can't help without reference though.

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>>3099082
define "anything"

>>3099152
this looks really cool, looks like those low-budgetish but stylish animations for music videos, I really dig it!

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FUCK, I can't paint!! what do I do

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Is there a more frustrating feeling than getting worse instead of better????

>>3099749
I'm retarded here's half the size

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>>3099749
>>3099754
I'm retarded here's the image I was too retarded to post

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>>3099768
shoot me in the dick

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im pretty sure im a cesspool of shitty habits. i can never finish anything, and sketches are always messy as fuck. used a previous anon's ref but suck ass at faces. what do?

>>3099768
>>3099770
pretty good but don't forget to resize to about 1000 by 1000. also watch the space between her right eye and her right ear, it got a little away from you there. made her face a bit wider above the cheekbones.

>>3099777
honestly just working on your clean up would go a long way and try not to chicken scratch so much in a few areas like the jaws. and the ear is a bit low. draw the starting sphere really lightly and don't let the loomis steps gridlock you so much

>>3099783
thanks, i think chicken scratching has always been an issue with me. never seemed to be able to move away from it,

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>>3099261
Here's my napkin drawing. Plz crit.

>>3099749
>>3099756

These are pretty good, far better than me though.

>>3098975
LONDON
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>>3099313
These are some other gestures I tried after that one. How are these ones?

I'll keep trying today though

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does the waterfall look overdone?

>>3099837
bad choice of words. am i going the right way with this?

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I feel like if I restrict myself to the drawing amputees from behind there is still hope

>>3099155
>>3099258
>>3099263
>>3099714
thanks for the critiques/comments, appreciate them!

>>3099837
the waterfall doesn't look like a waterfall, it should be more fluffy and less tendrilly

You weren't looking at a long exposure for reference were you?

>>3099837
It actually looks like semen in suck furry porn

how long should it take me to work through keys to drawing? i went to set a goal for it so I have time pressure.

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fug

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>>3099082
Alright, i think this is my best work here.
Any thoughts?

>>3099871
i guess i was. seems like thats the standard for photographing waterfalls. time to redo everything

>>3099874
thanks i used my mom as a ref

>>3099824
Try drawing with a thick vague airbrush.

Why do people here only ever draw human anatomy?

>>3099932
I think you need to learn some more construction

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anyone got any good reference sites for naked people that you can view in full screen?

i was using quick poses from the sticky but not being full screen annoyed me

atm I'm using tumbview and porn tumblrs but I'm sick of every second picture being some dude getting pegged
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>>3099939
because drawings of people need to be much more accurate in order to look good to a human audience. You can draw a kinda fucked up tree or hill or goat or sandwhich and people probably won't notice but you draw a kinda fucked up face and people will instantly see that you'd draw a kinda fucked up face.

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can i get some critique please, whatever i try to do the shading it always ends up looking like shit.

>>3099945
>.
>.
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What the fuck are you doing? lurk 2 more years before posting

>>3099756
How is your eye for proportions this far behind your sense for volume? Go look up a proportion chart and compare your shit to it right the fuck now

>>3099972
Thinks making his post stand out will make people respond, doesn't realize he's losing precious (You)s for attention whoring

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I tried drawing a face from imagination. How'd I do?

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>>3099971

>>3099982
Facial proportions are basically correct. But---chicken stratches, brah. You got to nip that in the bud. Let this be your last chicken scratch drawing ever. *Draw long, fluid lines* It's OK to think about your next line before you put it down if you have to. Chicken scratches show uncertainty while just keeping the pencil moving anyway.

>>3099975
it was actually because I wanted to seperate the question from the response to the other guys point so people didn't ignore/miss the question

the full stops above the question were by accident.

>>3099994
Chicken scratches is my style

Seriously tho, my line confidence and control are horrible. I can't draw a straight line or circles. Feels bad man

>>3100001
Lying is bad, anon

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I don't have any strength left to render the musket, should have painted it on a separate layer. Actually, should have painted everything on separate layers, also the size is too small. Anyway, how's this study?

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>>3099932
Eyes are misaligned.
Draw 100 heads from different angles, 100 Rubik's Cubes from various angles, 100 anatomy studies of 0033 tutorials, and 10 minutes of practicing drawing straight lines EVERY DAY. Don't forget to eat 3 meals a day, a banana in the morning is just fine but remember to never run the AC during the summer and winter to strengthen your mind.
In the beginning, you'll wish you were dead but it took me 3 years to get this strong at art. In other words, you need train like hell to the point where your hair falls out. That's the only way to get strong. These new guys who are fooling around with the "talent" and "Loomis is the answer to everything" junk will never make it this far. Top artists became good because they had the ability to change themselves.

>>3100048
Why'd you turn him into a woman?

>>3100066
This was supposed to be sarcastic but on second look it seems intentional. Center of gravity is off.

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>>3100065
underrated post, top kek material but also inspirationally poignant at the same time

>>3099875

Seriously? Do it until you understand the lesson and move on to the next lesson until you finish the book.

>>3100072
>3 minutes
>underrated
Stick to memes you understand

>>3100048

Did you learn anything from it? If you did then it's a good study. If you want crit on the rendering itself you just need to compare it to ref.

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Can i move onto the draw thread /ic/?

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>>3099990

>>3100105
Nice threehead

>>3100116
What does that even mean?

>>3100105

You don't need approval to post on the draw thread. If it's shit they'll just tell you come back here.

And fucking rotate your image.

Why is drawing hands pissing me the fuck off? I can't even get the fucking shapes before applying the hand itself on right.

>>3100070
Yeah it was intentional.

>Center of gravity is off.
Fuck, you're right, I see it clearly now.

>>3100081
I did. But it wasn't supposed to be a 100% copy (aside from the obvious changes), but rather a remake. I'm experimenting with rendering.

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>>3100229
Why does he have a ballsackkicker only on his left foot?

>>3099885
? this isn't THAT bad. but careful with your necks and wrists.

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How do I get better at drawing porn? And I don't mean like, anatomy wise or anything. I can draw naked women from reference but that's not the same thing as LEWD art. What truly makes a drawing boner inducing? What theories are there for making a drawing that really gets people going? Are there any tutorials for this?

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>>3100357

>>3100357
That's where talent comes into play.

>>3099867
can I get a little cc?

thx so much <3

>>3100239
Because that's obviously his ballsack kicking foot

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>couldn't construct
>just went for it
>fricked the proportions
and I got told it looked flat. Think I need to just focus on breaking figures into boxes for a while

How do I draw noses /beg/?
They don't seem to have any defining lines, only a bunch of vague shadows and highlights that I can't for the life of me copy down.

>>3100399
It looking flat is the least of your problems. it looks like you dont even have a dark enough pencil to render properly

>>3100368
>>3099867

take a break from drawing humans for a while. draw simple every day objects from different angles and really focus on capturing their proportions and 3D form. when you come back to humans you'll notice big gainz

>>3100399
I agree, paying more attention to geometric shapes could help, then also investing in a darker pencil to push shadows deeper too

>>3100364
I have yet to see a boob guide that isn't literally "Tits are saggy in real life, n-nerd!"

>>3100399
V A L U E S
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>>3100415
for you, i'll do it

How long do I have to practice drawing lines and circles before I can move on to something else? I've been doing mainly this for my last 3 or 4 practice sessions. What should I do now?

>>3100357
literally just look at porn and doujins or western porn comics. find ones that turn your wie-wie hard, and then analysis why you think that is. it's usually the angle or the panel lay out or the editing. it's not rocket science.

>>3100401
stop thinking in terms of lines. if you don't have a tablet to do it on PC use the broad end of a pencil or even water color.

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what can i do to make my color pallet blend more? I usually stick around one or two colors but im going pretty crazy with this one. (this is still in its early phase)

>>3100514
Enable pen pressure in photoshop.

>>3100516
thats already enabled.

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>>3100518
I don't know what the fuck you're doing to make the brush edge so hard. Hope you have the building on a separate layer from the sky, too, otherwise it will be a pain if you accidentally paint over it.

>>3100472
whatever you want

>>3099824
Try drawing nude people and getting that down first. It's easier to draw clothes when you can imagine the correct proportions under them and most of the mistakes I'm seeing in your figures are where the clothes are furthest from the form

>>3098764
>How to practice wrestling without any friends

>>3098979
I want to bang your mom

>>3099945
Yeah,

Imagefap.com

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>>3100613

>>3100614
Measure!!!

>>3100629
youre definitely right that it would be better if i measured, but im trying to do this without rulers or anything so that way i can just get better at drawing with as little tools as possible. im trying to make my brain create the proportions on her face that my eyes see without any extra tools.

>>3100629
Are you serious? WTF does physically measuring things do to teach you to draw better? You ultimately have to feel distances, nobody has a ruler in their head.

bad advice/10

>>3100635
>>3100645
you two might as well never post again

there is literally no single art school or book in the world against the universal idea of measuring

that's like being against using a scale of values, completely retarded

btw, measuring doesn't mean pulling out a fucking ruler and counting centimeters, in case that was what you were thinking

>>3100650
Yeah that's what I was thinking.

>>3100650
i was also thinking that. what do you mean?

>>3100653
>>3100660
don't listen to that guy he's memeing.

I am amazed at how much cancer you all shove into these threads. Bravo.

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How do I draw eyes? Preferably of the anime style

god i hate nosebro but i just can't stop posting about him! anyone else have this problem???

I feel like I'm totally lost when it comes to studies.
It seems I just don't know how to do them at all, I notice no progress at all. Any advice?

>>3100704
learn the concepts first and APPLY it using the fundamental skills. eg: learn the form of the loomis mannequin doll, then apply it to real people and pictures and check for patterns.

>>3100422

Thats almost always the issue though. People tend to draw balls on chests and it looks ridiculous. Obviously practice and study will make boobs look better, but for a total bumbfuck novice that just wants to draw anime, guides like these can improve their boobs a lot.

>>3100704
draw what you see, compare the mistakes, and then go from there.

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Still pretty slow at this, vowing should something like this take me? A minute or less? Right this is taking me 3 minutes. Also anything I'm still doing wrong.

>>3100739
don't draw traditional.

>>3100741
But Why?

I can draw (a figure) reasonably within an area contained by an 8.5x 5.5 area or smaller but if I have to fill the page it seems a lot of asymetries occur. What do?

>>3100744
i feel a little guilty for giving bad advice as a joke, so i'll give you some actual advice.

your gestures shouldn't take any longer than 2 minutes, and you'll eventually want to lower this to around a minute. also go for longer strokes and try sitting your canvas at a tilted angle so that it's easier to draw from the shoulder. experiment from time to time with pen instead of pencil to give yourself a good indicator of line confidence that you may have otherwise not paid attention to. also the most important thing about gestures is that you learn more from drawing an actual figure, as opposed to 2d static images, so go attend a class.

>>3100745
stop drawing from imagination until you get good

>>3100675
the eye is a sphere that sits inside the skull, draw it like what it is.

>>3100748
>class meme

Don't listen to him fella, its just a trick to make you go spill your spaggeteroos

>>3100744
Be careful taking any advice from this thread right now, people are trolling and giving fucked advice

>>3100751
it's true that a class is not entirely necessary, you could join your campus art club and ask your friends to pose for you technically, but you want to draw from life because that is much more involved than 2d images.

>>3100749
How does what I said imply I'm drawing from imagination?

>>3100757
pfft, I don't have friends lol. Fuck you norman

>>3100757
>>3100751
What If I just go to my local Art museum and and use the Statues as references?

>>3100763
you could, but the poses they're in might be static or otherwise not very useful. you also want to study people in motion, take a look when you're in the park next time and pay attention to how people walk, carry weight, how they shift their shoulders, which leg is in front, draw on top of them if you need to to study that feeling.

>>3100766
i mean drawing on top of them from where you're standing/sitting by the way, not actually approaching them and running your pencil all over their body like some weird blind guy.

>>3100687
i hate nosebro so much i cant stop posting as him.

>>3100766
Cool, Ive kinda been doing that at least in my mind and chance I get, although I should probably bring a sketchbook so that people dont thing Im some weirdo

>>3100766
>use references in motion

I'll take troll advice for over 9000 Alex

>>3100779
you got me.

>>3100650
>measuring doesn't mean pulling out a fucking ruler and counting centimeters

B-but that's how I always do it, how else are you going to measure?

>>3100653
>>3100660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8p9xuVZjVM

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=measure+artist

Is it okay if I don't care about color and I'm happy to do everything in black and white with hatching?

>>3100883
yep, for the best even

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Why are my weebcomics so bad? Also don't ask me to draw hair..

>>3100957
Because you abstracted the human figure before you learned to draw it.

>>3100957
Please draw hair

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>>3100967
I'm trying to learn that too but I like to draw weebcomics

>>3100970
That's what I said not to do anon

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>>3100957

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>>3100972

>>3100972
learning to draw the skull will give you a lot of knowledge about how the cranium works, even anime heads have features such as eye sockets and noses. studying the skull gives you the tools you need to construct a face, stylize it, and accurately place features. the same can be applied to learning anatomy. the more you know about the human body, the more you can stylize it. if you actually paid attention to the japanese manga you claim to like, you'd notice the heavy use of perspectives and other tools such as foreshortening, which had to be learned through studying fundamentals.

>>3100987
Is it worth studying the skull straight up? I've always been unsure. I understand studying faces and everything but is it more efficient to study the skull by itself and do drawings, etc?
I'm not super experienced and understand I need to study this stuff but I'm unsure where to start. I guess I should find a book on drawing skulls

>>3100957
>>3100972
Blog?

>>3100997
as with basically everything you study, the methods and processes you use must be tailored to suit your own needs. I bought a skull to study from because i wanted to do more drawing from real life, practice my facial construction skills, get a better understanding of the vipplu head construction lectures, and practice rendering all in one. so far i'm having a bit of difficulty with getting all the values correct and it'd probably be easier to learn using simpler shapes but i'm going to try to work through it. i like having the skull handy because it's a good reference of how light touches certain planes of the faces depending on where it's coming from, also it's pretty rad to just have a skull on your desk.

>>3101000
Fair enough. I've only recently chosen to get more serious about drawing and so I haven't done any proper 'studies' as of yet but the face is something I'd like to get down before anything else

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>>3099259
Considering you probably just picked up digital, get used to the program and the tablet you're using by drawing lots and focusing on accuracy. Shading with your brush size for example will be hell, especially if you're just starting out. Make it bigger to cover more space whenever you need to.

As for drawing advice I'd say don't be afraid of spending too much time on the drawing. To speed things up, you need to know what slows you down. And to know what slows you down, you need experience. Don't skip it. Keep your focus while drawing.

>>3099788
Please resize both dimensions to lower than 1000px and raise to contrast in an editor. The blurriness hurts my eyes, too.

I like the stylization of the head. You could go further and look for more things to leave out. Perhaps some of the shading? The neck is also a tad too long. Ya might want to shorten it up a bit. The bridge of the nose could be a bit deeper and the guy's jaw should be a little more forward.

Now that I've given my two cents... Respect to those who can draw hair effortlessly well. Man, I've spent most of my time drawing that hair. From now on I'll just draw bald dudes and chicks.

>>3101017
Hiya, could I ask what resources you used to get good? Like video resources, good artists to master study, etc.

>>3101018
perhaps a magic pill or bean?

>>3101018
I'm not sure, to be honest. I recall watching Proko, Vilppu and Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching. Usually I make up exercises to improve my visualising and 'eyeballing'. Whenever a question pops up while drawing, I just use google. Recently Bobby Chui, Sinix, Jeremy Fenske and Marco Bucci have grabbed my attention.

Now that I think about it, I really should draw more and actually do master studies. Hahaha...

>>3101060
Thankyou kindly, I really appreciate the advice.

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>me trying to follow Loomis head drawing technique

>>3101061
No problem. Always glad to help a fellow student!

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>>3098539
critique pls

>>3101073
try implying the lips rather than just outlining them

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Rate my beginner faces please

Can an absolute beginner start with figure drawing immediately? I always wanted to draw, but I think I really want to get into figure drawing.

>>3101088
Obviously. You can do whatever you want.

>>3101089
Grinding dynamic sketching or how to draw got me burned out

>>3101084
2.4/10 loomises

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>>3101100
t-thank you

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>>3099027
I rarely post but I give a shot. You need to step back when you draw to avoid these kind of mistakes. The two red lines next to each other in the both pictures are of same length. The length varies in between the two pictures, but they are relative in size. They indicate that your reflection in the mirror is about one fifth too wide which is a lot in portraiture, and it has little foreshortening. You can avoid this easily when you begin your drawing and draw the big shapes (the mask of the face/jawline and back of the skull) just loosely and sort of throw them in with big loose motions not committing to the contour lines (the silhouette so to speak), then step back and compare some distances. I also drew a red line where you should have separated your digastric plane (what comes underneath the chin) and your face by either adding tone or a line. I like how your wrist curves but it should either widen when going down, or be cropped out like in the photograph. The blue lines show the disproportions of the hands. The only "error" or fix that could be affected by stylistic choices is the mouth of the character. I wouldn't have connected the bottom of the lower lip that high, it flattens it drastically, although it looks surprisingly good on the right side drawing. Finally, the pink lines show that vertically you nailed the distances of the mouth and the eye, but their alignment is not parallel like in the real world.

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>>3099231
Never ever do straight center lines, even when you are drawing cartoon style. It is what gives your drawings motion or gesture. The curviness of the human body is what gives it motion and energy. When you begin your drawing, draw these S curved center lines, and then add in the mask of the face, and the cranium (back of the skull). In whichever order you like, some start from the center line of the body, add limbs and head, some do the head first and then do the body. I like to switch between these two. I like how you had some curve on your biceps. Your character has no neck and the curvature of upper back is not really natural. Just more practice needed. I also circled the armpit, I dont really know where the side plane of your ribcage is.

I also apologize if my lines are little bit shaky, I usually don't work with digital and I don't have my drawing tablet at hand, so I'm trying to do curvy lines with mouse, which I don't have any practice of.

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>>3100653
>>3100660
yall got me fucked up senpai

>>3101115
>>3101106
>>3101017
Thankyou for offering amazing feedback

>>3100614
Learn how to construct the face and head. You are copying what you think you are seeing, not creating a face. Achieving likeness is like winning in a lottery if you don't know how to draw (and by drawing I don't mean the hobby of sketching or doodling or whatever, but rather creating visual imagery on a 2D surface). There are plenty of guides of how to create head and how facial features wrap around it, and you can start there. Even if you would create photographically realistic charcoal work of a photograph you posted, you don't copy the photograph piece by piece, but rather do those big shapes in, then simplify it (usually by dividing the head and face of the mask in to lines to guide your later lay in) so you can measure (you don't need any measuring devices, it doesn't make any difference because you are measuring proportions like width and height rather than actual metric distances), then you start laying in the features and after that comes rendering.

But that first rough construction model takes some time and practice to make, because that rough shape with guidelines is what hits those proportions and rough placements where you don't commit to the shapes but rather the proportions. The lay in takes even more time and a LOT of practice so it hits that likeness of the subject, where you create those shapes and early guides of volume, and then comes the render which is a craft of it's own.

Big shapes, dividing guidelines, checking of proportions, lay in of features, render.

This youtube link is a great lecture about constructing the head. /watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

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Hey guys, second time poster here. Last post got pruned with the last Beginner thread without a response, so I figured I might as well try again.

First time trying anatomy, so I'm not looking for sugarcoating. I want to get better, not worse. Here's some stuff some other people suggested to me-

1. Shrink the Head
2. Lower the Shoulders/Armpits.

Any feedback would be great.

>>3101148
>/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg
why not just put the whole url?

>>3101160
Artist pro anon probably doesn't realise that you can embed videos automatically using 4chan-x.

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hey guys, I bought a wacom intuos art and I started discovering digital drawing using it in Krita software.

I started by reading the One-stop beginners' guide and I drew the upside-down man and here's my result (picture).

Can you give me your feedback about my begginer level of drawing ? and also advise me with a course to learn the techniques to how to draw using the tablet (brushes and tools and not only pencil) ?

Thank you

>>3101170
You will want to kill yourself if you don't use SAI, this suggestion of mine comes from years of experience.

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>>3101170
here's another try using a brush to approximate the shape of the head

>>3101173
I really suggest you use SAI and a stabiliser of a minimum of 4 and 5, I doubt your hand is that shaky.

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>>3100597
Try to divide the face in thirds. One third from hairline to brow line, one third from brow line to root of the nose, one third from root of the nose to tip of the chin. The three colored vertical lines show these thirds roughly, not following the curve or gesture of the face because I'm shit drawing with mouse on computer. In this pose we get a little bit foreshortening so you can elongate the forehead and the hairline a little bit, and shave off a little bit of the jawline and the chin, but I wouldn't take that much off from the chin that you took. Also your mouth bulges a little too heavily so I moved it closer to the center line to the left, and few pixels up closer to the nose. The center of the mouth doesn't align with the center line of the face perfectly in three quarters view, as the mouth bulges over the teeth a little bit. As I moved the mouth few pixels up, we got a little bit better proportions for the chin as well, so it necessarily doesn't need to be touched. At this perspective, I would tweak the M shape of the upper lip a little bit to fit the perspective, and as you can see from the horizontal line it isn't perfectly parallel to the eyes. Did you start your drawing with roughly dividing the face in to the proportions, or did you start with laying in the shapes when you had your head drawn?

>>3101170
>>3101177
CSP has stabalizers too, krita is mostly a painting software and not for lineworks like sai or CSP are.

>>3101183
Yeah, linework is noticeably requires less hand drag in SAI and CSP. Still not as organic as drawing ballpoint on paper, but a nice change.

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>>3101172
>>3101177
>>3101183

Thanks for your replies I just downloaded SAI and i'm testing it.

But what do you think about my drawing (copying)?
I want to be able to draw something like this (picture).
What should i exercice more ?

>>3101188
Generally if I want to paint anything textured I do the lineart in SAI then paint with brushes in PS. PS has a wider variety of custom brushes you can download, although painting in that program is ass, but I think that there being more brushes is worth it.

Just do master studies of the art you love.

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>>3101149
I'm starting to get a little bit frustrated to drawing with my mouse, so I did this fast without correcting my mistakes so sorry for the slobby lines. Your drawing is stiff. It's really stiff without any motions. If you do figure drawing, you want to begin with center lines. The center line of the body (following a little bit the curvature of spine, but a little bit more exaggerated), the S curves for arms and legs. See how the outer lines (drawn with red) are following parallel curves? My drawing is really slobby but the idea is there. In your skull drawing on the left of the figure, you did the cranium right, so it connects to the jawline about at eye height. On your drawing, you forgot the existence of cranium, and drew neck connecting to it at mouth height. The back of the skull connects neck roughly at eye height, you can try feeling your own cranium with your fingers now and see it yourself. Also notice how I drew the sides, other one curving and stretching, while other one has a little pinch to it, it creates a lot of interest to the pose, little bit like those roman statues. My pelvis is off, don't look there, I got frustrated with the lines.

>>3101160
>>3101169
I used the quick response and totally forgot you could embed!

>>3101173
focus on the curves and gesture. Your pikatchu has very beautiful render for a quick work, but the proportions are bit off, and compare the angle of the right hand side contour, the original picture has steeper angle. I can't give any advice of digital as I haven't done it myself.

>master studies
Care to explain? How do I go on to do a "master study"?

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>>3101193
Oh and most important, exaggerate. Try to search "drawing gesture" from youtube and just choose whatever video there and see the basic idea. After you get the idea, try to exaggerate that gesture and curvature of the center lines and then wrap volumes over those. There are great exercises for that.

And remember, this has nothing to do with your stylistic choices. This is how you draw figure and human body, no matter the style. See how the most simple cartoon characters imaginable follow this way of drawing. It is what brings your drawings to life. (sorry for my shaky lines, I don't know how to work digital)

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I like to think I'm getting better at likeness.
Need to drop drawing with airbrush, getting all fuzzy and no truly hard edges.
Also weak values, darks needs to be darker.

>>3101178
with this perspective i didnt really know how to lay out my framework, so i did a light jawline and added landmarks and spent ~an hour erasing and moving things around. with the mouth, i noticed after i posted that i'd made the lower lip too fat on the far side, so added more darkness to make the parting of the lip look a little lower down. it didn't fix the fact that the mouth was too far over, but it helped the parallel line thing and the shape of the M. Also, the model, im pretty sure, is a child, so i tried to round out the face a little more to make it seem more youthful. the line on the jaw i was going to use as the start of the shadow on the neck, so the jaw should be shaved down as a result from that. I don't trust myself to draw circles by any means, so i work off of blocky, straight lines as the base drawing and from making measurements relative to other landmarks to block in new landmarks. if you or anyone else could tell me: does drawing lots of circles actually make you mechanically better at drawing circles? I feel like you can't physically improve how steady your hand is, so i never bothered using a lot of paper to practice.

Thank you for your measurements and advice, though, anon

>>3101208
No, don't fall in for a schemes where you are asked to draw a shape time and time again to improve. That doesn't make any sense. What you want is a really loose drawing where you divide your proportions, not committing to any shapes or silhouette.

Draw the mask of the face (jawline, vertical temple side, hairline) which wraps over your skull, and draw your center line and eyeline which also shows you the alignment or angle of the face. Divide the face with lines in to thirds (hair line, brow line, root of the nose). Then you can split the root of the nose and tip of the chin in half, this is roughly your mouth placement. Then you can start blocking in those blocky lines, making the shape of the cheek, doing that nose that is a big geometrical problem in the middle of the face, and those eyesockets. Remember, brow ridge pushes outwards. This is constructing, and here you decide those proportions and big shapes that give your drawing likeness.

You are starting your drawings wrong if you need to move things around. First determine your proportions with simple construction lines, check the angles and proportions, then do the simple lay in of features. If you cannot trust your early proportions then you need to practice just that. Measuring things from landmark to landmark (for example from the corner of the eye or tear duct) can be impossible if you keep moving things around.

I was guessing the drawing was of a child and you showed the roundness well. Also children have little different proportions which might throw you off in the beginning.

Try to practice three quarter views of a face with adults first so you can hit those proportions and perspectives of the features.

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Hey i'm making this sketch and I feel like something's wrong with the anatomy. Care to help out?

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First time poster. Today was my first time buying/using an intuos, art book, and trying anatomy.

Not really sure why I'm posting since it's shit. More for my own records.

Also, I used PS to draw these. Should I be using SAI, Alpaca, Clip studio, etc... instead? A bunch of beginner guides told me to use stuff like that, but PS just happened to be on my computer so I just went with that for now.

>>3101240
thighs are shorter than calf

>>3101241
before you even think about learning anatomy. you have to learn basic construction.

If you cant even rotate a simple box in any angle you want, you should not even be trying anatomy.

Thats like learning how to multiply not knowing how to count.

>>3101241
also fix those fucking lines dude, try to use less, but cleaner strokes on your drawings..

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>>3101240
Very quick correction, don't draw straight blocks, it kills out all the energy in the picture, no matter your stylistic preference. Draw the center lines and curves first, then outer lines, then volume. I talked about it few posts above

Sorry about the shaky lines, i'm drawing with my mouse, not used to that.

>>3101205
fix the neck dude, shading is off

>>3101064
https://sketchfab.com/models/6238cb4ace5d4a9aa9a881ec800dbdd1#


https://sketchfab.com/models/b7e2cd611d844df9b69efdc9be6d0215#
use both of these models for studying the loomis method

>>3101253
>>3101255
Maybe anatomy was a bad word choice, just proportions, I guess. I don't even know what you mean by construction yet. I guess I'll find out later on in the book or something. Anyway, I'll try to use less lines. Thanks anon.

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>>3101241
Muscles are not bumps. See how organic lines we get even when the model is muscular and flexing. You need to practice some of the very basics before moving on to stuff like muscles and anatomy, and you most certainly don't need to worry about which software you are using. No tool ever has helped anyone to improve in understanding of creating images with your hands. I know this youtuber annoys some people, but here are some very basics of drawing people. It's better than nothing: /watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

But don't worry, practicing basic elements of drawing (people might go as far as call them fundamentals) doesn't need to be boring countless exercises, but rather simplifying your drawings and thinking what you are doing. Drawing is making decisions, rather than rushing to the end.

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Are these good proportions?

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tips on skies and cloud? I think it looks pretty good zoomed out, unsure about the darker cloud colours. I'm not sure out to massage it to make it softer. Hard light edges on top, and soft transitions on the bottom?

>>3101275
No, abdomen too long

>>3101224
this was an amazingly helpful post, like, save on a txt on my desktop-tier helpful, thanks a lot for this

I'll practice the thirds method you described; is this what loomis/hampton/vilppu talk about? I'm about a third of the way through hampton's book but i havent read the others

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God, there's so much to learn and practice before you can git gud. I feel so lost.
I'm watching through the free videos on ctrl paint, not even halfway through. Then I have to check out Keys to Drawing, Loomis, Norling, Gurney, Robertson and maybe even Vilppu.
I just want to draw like Tetsuya, but I have to put in so much hours it's not even funny. I'll do it, but good god it will take ages.
/rant

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>all this amazing shit in the "beginner thread"
I just finished my second funny face from Fun With a Pencil(Loomis) and I'm already thinking about giving up.

>>3101188
>the entire sky is a highlight

jesus christ

>>3101329
Don't give up Anon, I can't even draw a hand in ONE angle yet.

>>3101312
if it was easy, no one would quit. you can always take the new-age approach and just go straight to "style" without mastering your fundies

>>3101297
Yes this is something Vilppu and other teachers in the New Masters Academy talk about. They have great lectures about head construction, one of the first construction lectures by Steve Huston is free to view in their Youtube channel. 3 hours of pure gold, he really explains things carefully here: watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

This head construction is explained there, and the curviness of the center lines and the gesture is explained by Vilppu, although Vilppu can be little difficult to understand for some who hasn't seen any simple tutorials or read books about drawing before.

And remember these are not really about stylistic choice (demonstrated in the power puff girls pic above), even the most simple characters can be drawn well or bad, and it's mostly determined by their gesture - whether they contain movement and emotion.

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>>3101344
>>3101329
pic related. everyone in this thread should read art & fear

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>>3101240
Legs are too short compared to the body, left arm is too long; knight helmets are actually pretty huge, much larger than the head, although drawing it like that may make the knight look like a midget.

>>3101347
thank you friend <3

>>3101348
Isn't that wrong? Not trying hard is the more comfortable choice, because it's certain - you won't be happy about it.

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cute sketch before bedtime

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Advice on shading? I think I've gotten pretty ok...

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>>3100597
not wip

>>3101282
Use a cloud brush, save yourself the trouble.

>>3101193
Thanks Anon, I'll get to work.

>>3099768
>>3099770
There is too much face around the sides of the eyes. Look at the left eye on the reference and check how much skull is on the left of the eye. On your drawing you can almost fit an additional eye, way too much. I tend to do that mistake, too. Just be aware of it.

What's a good way to go about measuring the head? For the body you can use units of head, but what do you use for the head itself to break it down into units, eyes are too small for that.

Having a really hard time drawing loomis faces in anything but front on view. They all turn out so bad. I'll keep trying though

>>3101744
So to scale a body I start with 7 head-sized units. The head, of course, is 1 unit, the torso is 2, and the legs are 4...does that help at all?

>>3101781
No, I'm talking about measuring units on the head itself. I just used the nose for a scale, but it's hard to tell where it begins and end, so I might try the lips next.

>>3101949
I just addressed this few posts above: "Draw the mask of the face (jawline, vertical temple side, hairline) which wraps over your skull, and draw your center line and eyeline which also shows you the alignment or angle of the face. Divide the face with lines in to thirds (hair line, brow line, root of the nose). Then you can split the root of the nose and tip of the chin in half, this is roughly your mouth placement. Then you can start blocking in those blocky lines, making the shape of the cheek, doing the nose that is a big geometrical problem in the middle of the face, and those eye sockets. Remember, brow ridge pushes outwards. This is constructing, and here you decide those proportions and big shapes that give your drawing likeness. "

You don't really need to measure your head with any objects. Only rule of thumb I can figure out, that the space between the eyes is roughly one eye apart. You want to start loose, with your face of the mask and adding in the cranium, then stepping back and comparing. At this point you don't commit to any shape or silhouette, just the size. Then you divide the face in planes, eye line and center line which give angles and tilt of the head, and also if it is three quarters or full frontal profile. Then you divide hairline, brow line (on top of the eyes) and root of the nose in thirds. Then you can start placing in rough shapes of things (not eye openings yet, which are like tear drop shapes, save those for later). It's much easier to place actual eyeballs in to the sockets created by nose bridge and brow ridge and see if they are aligned well and in perspective, rather than trying to figure out these abstract shapes of eyelids. When you have those eyeballs, you draw eye openings, and start measuring things, like wing of the nose is roughly at the same width as the tear ducts, and the corners of the mouth roughly with center of the eyes.

You need to get those big divides and shapes right. youtube watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

>>3101967
adding to previous, remember that eyeball is roughly same in every perspective. It's a ball (well there is sort of small bulge where iris is but not really something we need to think of yet) so placing it in to perspective is easy. It's all the same, and you just have to see how it fits in to the eye socket under that brow ridge. When observing the face, notice how upper eyelid creates occlusion shadow between the brow ridge and eye ball both pushing out. If you look yourself in the mirror and start facing up keeping your eyes still on the mirror, that occlusion shadow disappears. You can now face up and look down to the computer screen, place your fingers on your upper eyelids under the brow ridge, and start facing down and see how your fingers get squeezed between the eyeball and brow ridge.

Drawing the eye opening in any perspective is easy task because it's as wide as the eyeball itself. When both of your eyeballs are parallel, same sized (count the foreshortening on three quarters view) just throw in the the opening and lightly erase that under curve of the ball, and then step back and compare.

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Rate todays loomofaces

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I've picked up drawing again the past few days. Struggling with the smoothness of my lines, gesture drawing doesn't come naturally, so practicing lines and shapes daily. I've done a few copies of drawings that I've liked and been reading keys to drawing, Michael Hampton, I tried Loomis but it wasn't clicking with me. Should I just keep doing shape practice before I try anatomy?

>>3102455
Your cubes look way off man, don't you see?
How about you learn to draw the shapes right first?

>>3102459
I actually don't, should I check with a ruler?

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>>3102459
Well shit. I am terrible.
I think I should start doing this at a desk rather than on my lap/laptop.

>>3102480
You really should.
It also helps to have a reference cube.
And draw more of them, way more.

Am I meant to use the loomis face when drawing references? Seems kind of hard to use his shapes properly except for when drawing from imagination

>>3102826
Seeing the construction behind your reference is a pretty important skill to train because it directly translates into construction from imagination gains

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>>3098539
II've only ever done 1:1 studies in black and white. I want to start on a fully colored personal project but I've been so dependent on references when I look at the canvas I cant think of anything to paint that I dont need to reference from, so this really hinders my creativity. How do I go about fixing this? Study more?