/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

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I'm not exactly a total beginner but there's this problem that I didn't examine and now noticed I'm taking way too long to get over.

But it has to do with drawing forms as linework and creating depth. I can't do it. I'm not sure what it is but my drawings just don't feel... "set." Pic related is mine. It's not my best but the problem isn't any different. I look at this and get frustrated because I've drawn this same drawing many many many times. It's just a loose sketch with no oomph.

The answer is probably "just practice." I understand, anyhow. I just really wanted to vent.

>no practice poses on the new /beg/
Welp, there goes my motivation ;_;

>>3085825
there's a ref thread floating around, anona.

>>3085828
Awesome, found it.

>>3085810

Light and shadow is what made form POPS!

Check out this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALpf-HQIrrk

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Took one-and-a-half days to make.
Thoughts on what needs improvement?

>>3085810
It's well drawn, but I think the eye gets tired of looking at it because it doesn't know where to settle. I think the mishmash of lines direct the eye in circles.

Try putting more contrast/detail on the features you want to stand out, or do the opposite with less detail/contrast on the features that aren't important. The light and dark areas could maybe stand to be better defined too. Be more careful with using lines for form vs. using lines for tone, it muddles the drawing if it's unclear.

Are there any other forums that have people posting their art and getting critiques like this thread?

>>3085825
? literally just go to quickposes.com and press random and you have all the ones i used to upload A N D M O R E

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god damn i am terrible at this even after four years of painting. other than the massively fucktarded values when i tried added a secondary light which turns my crappy craft to a fucking shiny shit sandwich there are probably still are a million other problems that my fucked eyes doesnt even notice the outright retarded and glaring problems this seems to have.

other than outright give up, what can i do about it to turn my turd into a not so piece of shite work that somehow wont look like that i fucking pulled out my feces directly from inside my ass and splashed it onto some paper?

>>3085894
brought to you by thesarus dot com

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>>3085792
I cleaned my lines a lil >>3085670

better?

>>3085834
>>3085871
I think you guys have the same idea, and I'm very grateful. I don't know why I never considered the viewer's eye until now. I know every single artist worth their salt did, but for some reason my brain never thought of applying it to my own process. Wtf.

I guess this whole time I was giving each part of the ref "equal treatment." I wanted to achieve a line-unity. Maybe I still can working with pops?

Thanks for the vid btw

>>3085894
You need to do some form studies. It doesn't look like you understand lighting and form if you're having this much trouble with it.

>>3085909
thanks anon
i love you

>>3085922
waw

a love confesion

>>3085894
First, don't get yourself down by thinking like that. It's not bad, you can just do better. Don't spend forever polishing something if you hate it so much, just start over; most importantly try something different next time, don't keep repeating the same mistakes.

Always know if you're drawing to make something look good, or drawing to learn something new. You can't do both, you have to fail something to learn in art. It's okay to fail as long as you try again.

Frankly I don't think this is so bad. The other anon is right; I think you could do with better understanding form first, but I wouldn't get bent out of shape about that attempt. If you really want to fix that, then I think you should pay more attention to where your light sources are. Plan it out in your head, there can't just be "a new light source"; it has to be a specific kind of light from a specific source, shining on the subject at a specific angle. Right now this would only make sense if the light were behind the subject, because none of the light is hitting the plane of the forehead, nor reaching into the eyesocket.

>>3085926
thanks anon2 for clarification
im watching foundations of form videos online and possibly light and shadow foundations from the start to clean up misinformative habits created over the years
its great for cleaning the shit out of my eyes from my own paintings :^)

>>3085902
I think you should lower the opacity of that layer, make a new one, and draw over that as confidently as possible. No chicken scratching, if something doesn't look right then let it not look right until you have the whole drawing in front of you. Right now, you've buried your mistakes under a pile of lines so you can't see them, that's poor digital art habit. We can't critique it until you expose your mistakes neatly. You can't fix your mistakes because you aren't sure what's a mistake and what isn't, so you NEED to draw cleanly over that and expose your mistakes.

After you do, sketch your fixes off to the side of the main drawing, and do it NEATLY. You shouldn't try to fix things by drawing over them again and again, especially in digital art. When you think you've fixed it, then you can draw over the mistake in a new layer. Or you can even copy it, paste it in a new layer, drag it over, and erase the layer under it.

>>3085894
ref?

I never do construction. Is it important to learn? Whats a good way to learn construction?

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>>3085948
b-but is referenced

Is it better now?

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Someone told me that using the stabilizer in SAI was a terrible idea, but never exactly explained why.
So all this time I've been trying do draw using only 7, and it's very hard to draw straight lines.
I tried the stabilizer again today (S-4) and I can see an obvious improvement in my line, not to mention my hand doesn't hurt after drawing for more than 10 minutes.

TL:DR- SAI stabilizer, yes or no

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help please , im trying to draw the arm on the left but from a front view but it looks almost straight
any redline?

when u post a new beginner thread u need to post at least 4 refs

>>3086033
that was never a rule. i only did it because nose did it but i feel like we have enough resources so that i dont have to trawl around and waste my time for the most active thread on this board with new GOOD QUALITY refs every time a new /shittergeneral/ is needed (lest we have ten people who dont see the beg make their own threads)

>>3086024

You have arm? Mirror? Yes? Look at it anon.

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I'm working on my quick sketches/gestural stuff from imagination. Trying to limit my lines. I know they look very rough but I've done rendered figures and studied anatomy. Tips?

>>3086044
telling a beginner to draw his own arm is terrible advice anon.

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>>3085971 (You)
Ok, I think is clean enough to tell what is what now.

now gib me the (You)s

feedback wellcome!

>>3086060
damn, ignore the (You).
my bad

>>3086060
It's still not clean, for fucks sake

make another layer and this time control your lines

Okay I learned how to draw spheres boxes and cylinders. Now how the fuck do I draw out of those

>>3086053
No tips, just keep doing what you are doing and you will improve.

>>3086060
I think the one guy you are talking to gave you pretty good advice i have nothing to add

>>3086081
start doing what this guy is doing, >>3086053

>>3085849
Anatomy, you want a mega to a good book?

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>>3086060
>>3086078
>>3086084
god damn

any other big flaws you can see before I clean it tho?

I'm more worried about the big picture than the details.

>>3086084
what the fuck are you talking about. I dont see any boxes or spheres in his drawing.
>face is a circle
>torso is a square
>arms and legs are just lines
>feet are triangles

these are all 2D shapes

did I just fucking waste my time learning to draw 3d shapes for no reason

>>3086095
left foot is angled off, like her ankle is broken

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>>3086098
ah
thanks anon

I'll pay you with a doujin:
https://exhentai.org/g/993001/76fe7472c8/

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Posting some references for the anons that want one picked out for them. Quickposes and reference thread are good. Ignore if you wish.

>I'll try to provide crits on the references I post

>>3086095
If i had to pick the picture apart i would say her left foot should be more angled away from me and A: her hair line is to high up, or B: her face doesn't look like im looking down at it from a higher angel. Breasts start below the armpit not above it but then again im not sure if those lines are supposed to convey breasts so disregard that if im wrong. Other then that its a pretty chill drawing

>>3086097
No, they are 3d shapes.

>>3086097

>>3086090
Yeah, post it.

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Messed up on the left door, it's hard making guitars cause all the geometrical shapes have to be perfect like those circles in the middle and strings etc. enjoy guitars.l but I still don't have a steady hand

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Does this look correct?

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As always, taking requests. What kind of references would you want to see in future threads?

I generally go for a woman, a man, an animal and an object. I'm open for suggestions.

>>3086121
mega:#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

Its the very 1st one, "figure drawing and design"

>>3086123
Thats not what a guitar looks like, the way you drew it makes me think we are looking up from way below it but obviously everything else in the picture forbids me from interpreting it as so.

>>3086125
ground shadow seems off

>>3086125
Try to map the angle of the light on the sphere and the cylinder, not the angle of the cylinder itself.

I do gesture drawing daily and I've read Vilppu's drawing manual, and I don't know what else to do.
So the next step is to imagine poses and build them with cylinders and spheres and shit? Like this guy?
>>3086053

>>3086160
Just draw, then apply what you learned to make that drawing better.

>>3086137

Ya i think it might have something to do with the fact I struggle to fit everything in a composition when i'm on small paper. That and i probably still don't understand perspective all that well.

Thanks for the input.

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>>3086168
When I want to do a piece thats outside of my range I usually doodle up the things I want in it separately to get a feel for it. Maybe you should just draw the guitar a few times to get a better understanding of it

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>>3086171

Ya I did a quick drawing yesterday too, i much prefer guitars with people like picssso and a lot of the French were doing in their cubist paintings but I'll keep doing singular drawings.

Those are some nice houses, look Swedish or Dutch. >>3086171

>>3086113
>No, they are 3d shapes.
Actually they're not.

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trying to draw general grieving in a pose from imagination using refs. is this working out? i feel like his head is tilted wrong. and i havent settled on what directions his arms wil be going but i want some foreshortening

>>3086223
fuck i dont like how its framed. gotta flip it over and redraw. anyways i still would like a critique

>>3086221
literally everything ever drawn is 2D

the only 3D art is sculpting, what are you even getting at or you just trying to be a smartass?

>>3086054
It's actually pretty good advice, it's one of the first lessons in Keys to Drawing.

>>3086225
>literally everything ever drawn is 2D
no fucking shit sherlock.

theres a difference between drawing a circle and drawing a sphere. are you really this fucking stupid?

>>3086081
Now draw from reference, with the reference turned upside down. It reveals where those forms are in organic figures. This is what the construction phase of drawing is all about.

Do that enough and you can start to apply it to drawing from imagination.

>>3086227
You still haven't made a point then. Or you are too retarded to see the 3d shapes being used.

>>3086227
>>3086221
You are not very intelligent. Stop drawing

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Anyone want to try their hand with this? lol

>>3086224
>>3086223
Can you post your reference? Also the only thing ill be able to do is tell you in what way your picture is not the same as your reference, i don't know if thats what you want though

>>3086231
Leave that humble water purifier salesman alone

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got some great reference for you guys

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>>3086229
my point is that the drawing does not use any 3d construction, but you claim otherwise.

show me where in the drawing does he use any cylinders squares, or spheres? You cant.

>>3086125
The cilinder is a bit off. It does not protrude evenly from every point in the surface.
Also, the shadow is off.
Try to put the whole picture into perspective.

>>3086238
Youre right we are wrong please leave for a "better" art site now please and thank you. We are holding you back

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Why do you all say "x looks off", "x is wonky", "work on anatomy/perspective/etc." and not give any follow up or explanation? Why reply?

>>3086242

who hurt you anon? why not post your picture.

Haha fuck you /ic/, I went to an art supply store and asked the clerk what art learning books to get based on my level. I showed her my instagram and said I'm still a beginner but she called me advanced. Suck my d/ic/k

>>3086242
I try to follow up when I give critique, but I'm not always here

>>3086240
you cant even show me where he makes shapes. lol thanks for proving my point

>>3086242
I think i give pretty good critique but there is a limit how far that will take you. Telling someone what is immediately wrong with a problem doesn't diagnose the root cause of an issue. Unless they specifically ask for that i never give that kind of advice.

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Disregard shitty lineart for now.

whats wrong with the big picture?

I think I'm almost done and only needs a few tweaks before I clean it and do the rendering

>>3086249
No i cant you were %100 correct, keep doing what you are doing.

>>3086255
If you're able to see the top of the cylinder, the bottom would be further away and create a more curved appearance.

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>>3086256
wait a sec didnt caption it lmao

ok so i have been watching some foundations of values for the past hours and need some help with this issue, so when light is directly above (90 degrees) a cylinder, with no reflected light would the object look like 1, 2 or 3?would the darkest part of the terminator would be the one closest to the viewer (2) or because the edge closest the viewer be the lightest because it is the closest (1) or would the cylender be a constant value all around? (3)

>>3086041
It was a nice practice, a lot of anons did their studies of the refs, it was fun to see how we all do, and it was a good source of pics for the next OP.

>>3086260
bounce light from the surface below

>>3086251
It's hard too see the big pictures with lines as messy as that.

>>3086260
..I just re-read it and I am sorry for my atrocious english.

>>3086234
im not copying any references but im going to redraw it anyways. thanks though

>>3086265
Its hard to give advice on something thats pretty much a robot spider from a stylized cartoon when your image is not even done yet.

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>>3086242
Are you talking about me? >>3086239
I'm sorry, maybe I was a bit vague.
I meant, give the whole setting its own perspective before you start working with the values.
Think about where the light source comes from and how it impacts on the whole. Perspective grids might help a lot.
Here's a bit of an idea.

>>3086252
fuck off. i came here for help but you gave shitty advice that doesnt make any sense

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Alright, I've completely redone the hands (except the one that was sized well) and finished the left girl. Anything wrong before I do the right?

>>3086273
>left hand looks small now that I take a picture
FUCK

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I've been studying vehicle designs, been working on a couple of concepts.

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>>3086277
follow up

>>3086271
Maybe if you didn't swear at me and act like an ass i would have given you a serious explanation.

>>3086279
lol sure you would buddy

>>3086282
I dont know why you are still here then. I understand you are a new artist and probably come from /v/,/pol/,/b/,/r9k/ but that aggressive attitude is unnecessary here and in fact counter productive. Even though im sure it helped you thrive there.

I hope todays exchange has helped you right your course.

>>3086285
>>3086282
Arguing in these quiet threads is the most retarded thing one could do.

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ok im sorry for using up image space, since my last post was confusing as hell.
to try and make it more legible: how would the AO and reflected light on the final cylinder be like?

Which of the fundamentals should I learn first. Did you guys learn them in any specific order?

>>3086295
tried anatomy fundamentals first
and im still horrible at it, probably prepare yourself for perpetual agony

>>3086266
kek well what i would be asking is
>does this actually look like a good drawing of the character
>is the pose aesethetic/technically correct

ill just post when i finish the new drawing and post again

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Damn I love this multicolored pencil. Even my shit drawings look kinda neat.

>>3086298
Any books you'd recommend? The only one in the op for anatomy seems to be that sculpting book

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>figure draw for two years
>still retarded at it but improve approximately 20% but still shit
>draw portraits to feel less retarded
>doesn't look too bad when flipped
>resize to thumbnail
>looks shit
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
*INHALES*
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK

>>3086295
It depends on what your goal is, really. Perspective is probably the most agreed upon, but it can be very, very frustrating at first.

I wanted to draw pin ups, so I started learning gesture and anatomy first. Eventually I had to start learning perspective too, because you can't go very far drawing the figure without understanding form.

Start with what you need to learn to draw what you want, and supplement it with perspective study.

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alright im settling with this sketch. how is it? hopefully its obvious what im trying to foreshorten

actually i might put a couple rogers in too for fun

>>3086305
people meme loomis alot but he is really helpful. especially his "figure drawing for all its worth" book.
If you want something more difficult, I suggest bridgman - "complete guide to drawing from life" which also includes a complimentary pass to howintheshit town with free included whatintheflyingfuck passes towards imtooretardedforthis courses.
but if you are a braindead person like me, who has the attention span of an autist i also suggest watching and following along with proko's video courses, it doesnt go in as depth but its still pretty good.

>>3086293

if the light is parallel to the height of your cylinder, it will look like the picture 3 and the ambient oclussion it will be like a dark outline in the bottom of the cylinder.

If you are having a lot of problems with the basics forms, grab an object with the shape you are struggling and light it in the position that you want.

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>>3086325
yeah you are right, thanks anon. just as soon as you posted this i found some evidence pointing towards what you said. if these poles were not reflective, they would probably be more closely related to picture 3 with that tiny little AO at the bototm.

>>3086295

I don't know how they call it in english, academic drawing? , but the first skill you should practice it's drawing from observation, in other words it's copying your subject in to the paper, start with simple objects and later with people.

At the same time you should be reading a perspective's book and try some excercises, people find it very boring but it's one of the fundamentals that will teach you drawing from imagination.

>>3086328
That looks like a pretty shoddy render

>>3085792
Stop making threads while the previous one is still on the frontpage fucking hell

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Any thoughts?

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>>3086370

>>3086310
Post it anon...

>>3086251
Show your ref. Also, the perspective is wrong.

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>>3086377
perspective is wrong?

bls exblain

>>3086383
>bls exblain
Draw the line between the end of the arms of the chair.

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>>3086376
I'm retarded, I know what the problem is, I made the hair too flesh coloured on the left but not on the middle.

>>3085606
>>3082311
>>3083803
>>3083477
Thanks for the feedback senpais.

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>>3086387
Aaaaaaaaahhhhh

kek

I curved it to make it look smaller/tighter/whatever, like, to make her look squishy, more compressed. I wanted to make that effect. If it doesnt look like that then I guess I'll change it.

also more WIP.

>>3086126
Post faces and more human figures/poses, that's what anons like to draw.

>>3086277
>>3086278
These are nice anon. Only real crit I can give you is the wheels on the first coloured one seem kinda squashed and not wheely.

>>3086426
Will do senpai. I'm not OP though so it's hard to get a spot at the top

>>3086393
why are you copying a photo and adding your own flair to it

>>3086444
Not the other guy, but ever heard of using something as a reference?

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>>3086444
basically >>3086463
Also I'm one autistic step ahead.
I often browse for creative common pics that are basically "yeah go ahead use my pic"

You can sort them by public domain and "just credit me" in flickr

Only good thing yahoo has made desu

also more progress

>>3086126
I really like drawing animals, it'd be great to have more references for them. Mustelids, bovids, and cervids are my favorite.

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>>3086233

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>>3086475
Not the original reference guy but here's 5 from me. I don't know their names or sources, sorry. If these are okay I can upload 5 pics or so, animals or whatever, every thread if/when I'm here if you guys want? Or should people just stick to the reference threads?

>>3086126
maybe some simple buildings or landscapes in general?

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At least my ellipes arent all over the place anymore. Still got some work to do

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>>3086657

who here draws better than this normie?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvtXJfJrwWg

>>3086705
Great that you're making progress.

I'm not that experienced myself, but looking at your lines, I feel you are trying to lay the lines down too slowly on the majority of your attempts. Maybe your are trying to be careful, but the speed will help smooth it out even if you lose accuracy in certain respects.

Since you're using a pencil, also try using the side of the pencil more with an overhand grip. That might be more comfortable for drawing ellipses.

>>3086780
most people can draw decently if they're forced to sit and draw from life for a long pose.

>>3086383
How is her foot bent like that? That seems so wrong to me yet there it is

>>3086168
>>3086198
Stop trying to "fit" objects onto the page, if you're sketching and you notice you're going to go off the page, then go off the page. Don't cram the neck of the guitar into some stumpy thing just to "fit" it. Looks fucking ridiculous.

>>3086780
i can but that is pretty good. i am slowly becoming a cara fan day by day

>>3086797
It's tilted slightly forward to the camera

>>3086815
Her other foot is resting on top of it pushing down in that direction. Ankles are pretty flexible.

>>3086822
Sorry, meant for >>3086797

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Better to get my ass kicked now. I tried identifying some of the problems.

>>3086850
What the fuck is that abdomen

>>>/loomis/

I have the option to buy either a Wacom Intuos Pen - CTL480L or an One by Wacom CTL471L.
I'm a beginner on digital art and i can buy those for about 200-250 reais (that's 50 bucks on ameriburger money). Which one should i take?

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is this construction at least near to correct?

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>>3086910
female face is more backwards and male further, right?

>>3086921
>>3086910
ewwww
first off; the two green rectangles should be exatly the same size
I'll let other anons point out all the other mistakes

>>3086910
>>3086921

Where did you get this?

>>3086925
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg

im trying this

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Started Hamptons figure drawing book.

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Finished the sketch from last thread, how is it?

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>>3086850
not all of the mistakes

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What yall think? It was freehanded, i did not use a pencil sketch.

>>3086951
Seems like it took a long time to draw.
But the eyes are radically different from each other, the nose is funny... well. It seems you're not ready to free hand yet, stick to sketches for now, will you?

>>3086953
lol it did, two days cause i'm lazy, but 2-3 hours working on it!
I'm trying to do the thing were you draw not really caring about mistakes or mis-proportions and etc, in thinking working in both, half free handed and half using a sketch.

>>3086941
Nice Popeye arms. Also her legs a bit too long.

>>3086941
hands have a soft curve followed by a "spike" before transitioning to the arms.

I'm learning that the jaw joint actually slides forward when you open your mouth. Is this how it works for animals too? Or are humans kind of unique due to being upright?

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I don't know how to make side profiles not look awful, especially when stylized; any tips?

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Just noticed that the perspective on the building in the back is totally off, other than that, crit?

btw: any tips on how to render things.

>>3086984
I'm a huge metalfag yet I don't think I've seen many things as edgy as that
also rendering becomes easy once you've got a very clear idea of where your light comes from

>>3086984
abysmal taste
also nice earth arsehole

>>3086303
Hey that pretty nice anon, I do think their should be some hair closer to the ear. Keep it up! :)

>>3086467
time to clean that baby up! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VxhE96DmtE

>>3085792
Where does a complete absolute beginner start? I can't draw a straight line or an even box

>>3087004
http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

>>3087004
keys to drawing is the best place for a beginner to start. noob traps like drawabox will have you going in circles making zero progress

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>>3087006
>>3087009

what do I do once I'm pretty good at figure drawing from reference and imagination?

>>3087020
Make money.

>>3087017
Just pick something and go with it. Actually drawing is better than just sitting around trying to figure out where to start and getting nowhere.

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>>3086982
the chicken scratch is really bad, try doing 3-4 lines.
She looks like a heavy lady, due to the neck mostly, if that was your intention, nicely done

>>3086231

>>3086991
ouch.

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>>3086231
I did this the other day

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>>3087027
I didn't even notice how bad my lines were before you pointed it out, thank you!
Is this any better?

>>3087074
aw man that ALOT better! Nice job, anon.

the ear is to low tho.

>>3086303
Damn I need to get me one

>>3086797
Her left knee is bent sideways.

>>3086310
You focused solely on figure drawing? You should never focus on only one thing in art, have some days where you practice figure, some days where you practice portrait, some days where you practice landscape, or color, or perspective, or whatever else you are interested in.

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Tried to make a thread, not a goddamn one of yall looked at it. It doesn't feel like /beg/, but its not expert shit either.

Here goes, read the questions, at least.

Hopefully this thread can get some gears turning.

Tryna get more into composition, I'm wanting to learn more

What I know:
>>Western audiences read left to right, eastern right to left
>>Straight lines are direct, curved lines moves slower
>>Diagonal lines are harsh and dynamic
>>S-curves amble naturally, C -curves are faster
>>Bigger masses overpower smaller ones
>>Smaller objects can make for good focal points
>>Denser lines guide the gaze
>>Paterns lead the eye back and forth
>>Depth = space
>>Mg, Mg, Fg
>>Rule of thirds & golden ratio shtick
>>Camera lens/angle can decide focal points/detail
>>Text is what they eye shoots too
>>We follow faces and eyes and gazes
>>Point-counterpoint
>>Atmospheric perspective provides depth
>>Overlapping
>>Farther=less detailed

This is all from just pretty much Framed Ink and various videos and infographics.
Now, I'd like to fill out this knowledge with some answers to some questions:

>>Whats the best article on leading lines?
>>What does it feel like when we move left to right, as oppposed to right to left?
>>Is there specific emotion from various directions?
>>More than a rudimentary view of upshots/downshots?
>>What happens/what are the rules of lines colliding?
>>Do specific shapes ellicit certain feelings?

If you read this, and have some answers or maybe videos to ponder on, any and everything is appreciated.

>>3086931
>>3086910
>>3086921

You have all the answer in that video.

>>3087116
the perspective of the boobs is fucked
also the face, as usual, but I guess that's just "muh style"

>>3087116
Why are you like this?

how do i render hair? any good guides?

>>3087116
That lady has no forehead

Do you guys have any tips for sketching? Just making random lines is enough?

>>3087116
ditch this fucking style right now.
its so abhorrently bad and you can certainly make something better now that you have a better grasp of things.

>>3087159
Enough for what?

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was awhile ago but I tried to make some changes to my picture based on feedback i got here

struggling on drawing arms/hands still and lighting

>>3087027

Have you ever try doing a proper study?

>>3087116
That is a large pair of breasts. All you need to work on is anatomy and facial structure

>>3087183
that's what i'm working on, i obviously didn't show well enough that it's an upshot cause >>3087140
thinks that there's insufficient forehead

>>3087169
sort of unrelated but you have a lot of white spots in the coloring

>>3087202
mostly in the hair areas

>>3087202
im using paint tool sai, when i select areas and add colors on a new layer it looks like that often

>>3086303
nice pencil, practice hands senpai

>>3087212
have you tried incrementing the selection? I think that's what it's called; basically just growing it so you won't have as many spots.

>>3087116

That face is atrocious.

>>3087116
(You)

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trying to work on some 'just because' stuff

crit? I think I need to work the contrast in some areas

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>>3085792

I find these kind of gestures really hard to draw. How are you supposed to draw the gesture of someone who's just standing straight? I always end up drawing a silhouette and it just looks wrong.

>>3087136
need answer

>>3087136
>>3087245
google that shit first or youtube.

>>3087241
I really like the way you splattered that on the canvas. It's one of the better splats.

Drawing from the elbow shoulder with the tablet and I feel like I have very little control. It's slippery as hell. Is it just a matter of getting used to it or is there some secret tablet technique that I'm not aware of?

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Lol fuck values I haven't got the time for that shit

>>3087113
This isn't beg tier

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>>3087243
whoops got excited and misjudged my paper

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>>3085792
From the drawabox thread no body is replying so posting here

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>>3087255
Hitler's eye on our right is deformed and his nose is way too big.

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>>3087282

>>3087295
>>3087282
feel free to resize them first

>>3087298
What you mean by this?

>>3087300
read the top bit you shit.

>>3087272

Shit, that's pretty good man. What are you studying at the moment?

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So this was my second attempt at colouring this. By all accounts my second big use of Copic Markers.

I've got a shit ton to learn, and this was a way for me to break away from just pencil drawings. Practice with inking and applying greyscale. I'll need to articulate proper values going forward more an more.

Feels great to break away from pencils a little.

>>3087324
thanks!
nothing really. just whatever i learned from figure drawing classes during college.

basically stupid long studies of
>skeleton
>l'Écorché
>long poses with live models (like 3-6 hour poses)

>>3085792
Best tutorials for acrylic painting?

Every acrylic painting I see is super brightly colored, is that all it's good for? How the heck would I be able to mix skin tone colors as a beginner?

what if you do if trying not to chicken scratch leads to a panic attack?

>>3087376
Try meditation to calm yourself. Remember you're allowed to suck, you're still learning.

>>3087376
lay an egg and move in with the chickens?

>>3087376
breathe dumbass

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ok, I was under the impression that doing lineless are would be better for painting but I'm stuck here, what am I supposed to do after this? I'm fine painting w/ lines

or should I just start off again with something that has a reference and not attempt from memory for a beginner?

>>3087392
Start again with reference.

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>>3086233
day 6

>>3087260

thanks, didn't figure it was, but yall dont respond to anything that isnt shit tier /ic/ memes are the main threads

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>>3087394
at what point are you supposed to start painting it?, I'm really confused on how people do it without putting lines down beforehand

>>3087416

Build shapes with values. Try with simple objects first.

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Hey I'm new to this stuff but I'm planning on coming here more often to git gud at art.
Thoughts on this so far?
Any advice?

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got inspired by this dude>>3087272

>>3087423
looks cool anon, is this your design?

>>3087435
yeah, the character is a monster hunter, so i have him wear practical armor, but instead of a cape, gave him a wyverns wing and head pauldron

>>3087438
very nice :)

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>>3086233

Decide to challenge myself and try this photo. It's fucking hard.

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>>3087420
liked it, didnt copied totally tho.

I usually do drawings like this with reference, but now I did it without value reference, critique dear anons.

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Some sketches I made tonight from imagination.

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>>3085792
does this figure read well? i think i have trouble with that when i'm figure drawing. what should i improve on it. it was a 10 min drawing

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>>3087567
oops

>>3087536
Nosebro 2.0?

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>>3087568
also this i guess

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Simple question: what kind of paper do you use for simple sketching with pencils? I need to buy a new sketchbook but I don't know what to look for.

>>3087248
>google/youtube
>TOP TEN EBIN SECRET TRICKS TO DRAW ANIME HAIR WITH EASE, THE THIRD WILL SURPRISE YOU, MAKE 10K A SECOND AT HOME :DDDDDD
no thanks, give me a book to read.

>>3087809
>doesn't know how to google things.

>>3087801
why does paper matter? its not going to make you draw better

>>3087801
any sketchbook will work. dont use printer paper though its not very good..
i use canson univeral sketch books they are nice and smooth and fairly durable and cheap and have lots of pages.
just depends on the feel you are looking for

>>3087814
different paper has different quality which can yield different results. though nothing will help bad drawing except practice. but good paper is sometimes important.

>>3087813
ok lad, what would you google to find proper results, i dont think there is any combination of words that would get decent results.

>>3087822
whatever book name you are looking for .pdf
what are you looking for.

>>3087825
well if i knew the name of the fucking book then i wouldnt be asking you fucking underman

>>3087825
ok i went back and looked. just look up how to draw hair. or whatever you will find something. or study a damned artist you like.

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>>3087827
>you fucking underman

>>3087841
i love twin peaks.

>>3087809
What kind of style are you going for? If it's a realistic hairstyle, you'll probably have a better time looking up tutorials with the term "realistic" instead of just "hair".

Iirc, you start painting realistic hair with the darkest shade of your chosen colour as the base and work up from the darkest value to the lighest. You use the lighter values to help shape the hair as wellas delevop sections/chunks of hair.

Also know what your light source is. It'll help with the colour layering and form.

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>>3087844
my blackened hobo brother.

>>3087848
dirty bearded men in a room......
gotta light?

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>>3087849
jade give two rides.

>>3087820
Thanks. I think I'll just go to the store and buy whatever feels right.

>>3087814
>why does paper matter? its not going to make you draw better
I know it doesn't matter much. But if I'm going to draw 200+ sketches on the same type of paper, I might as well choose one that feels good under the pencil.

>>3087116
For what it's worth, I believe in you anon. Keep going and don't give up

if i read how do draw (scott Robinson) will i lose skill? it seems to be industrial design focused and i want to aim for way more realistic (which industrial seems to hinder)

>>3087373
Most skin tones are a umber plus a blue/red/yellow and white.

>>3087902
Are you retarded or just 14 years old?

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Proportions are way off, and I don't know how to add midtones without it looking scribbly.

>>3087943
autistic

>>3087950
so measure and redo, geez

>>3087955
I can't fix any one part, the whole face is wrong. Or you mean redraw the whole thing? I'm far too lazy. I'd rather just study what I messed up and take that info with me on my next drawing.

>>3087957
either way, i used to redraw pretty frequently

>>3087950
Get a softer pencil and smudge it to smooth out the tones.
Or settle with scribbly, consistent scribbles can look nice. Just try and add them in.

And if everything still looks off after that, try it again.

>>3087899
thanks m8

I feel like a lot of my progress is simply just me getting over some stupid trivial fear of whatever. At first I was just doing line drawings cuz I was scared of not understanding value. I was scared to try beard stubble, but with patient stippling it's pretty easy. Now I'm just scared of midtones. Does anyone else have a similar experience?

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Guys,
I realize that it'd probably be helpful for me if I had a physical copy of a book that I can always refer to rather than just always have ebooks. Something cheaper off of Amazon, preferably. What should I go for?

Pic related is something I'm interested in, but don't know if's really a heavy-hitter. I certainly love its approach to anatomy.

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>>3088136
>cheaper off amazon

be sure to buy used.

>>3087272
here
I like 'Anatomy: A Complete Guide for Artists'
by Joseph Sheppard

>>3088037
thats definitely what starting out is like.

afterwards youll struggle to find something thats missing from your art.

then i guess its just a matter of honing your art.

this is why people say draw draw draw. because theres so many "phases" to get over until what you make is worth a shite.

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what does /beg/ think of my fruit salad?

>>3086982
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nauBhzjx584
this should help for proportions at least

>>3086948
you havent done anything anatomically correct so critique is a limitless and therefore pointless exercise.

>>3088206
Would plow into mouth, if it was real.

>>3088262
That guy wasn't me. Also "it's too bad to even begin working on improving it" is bullshit that helps no one.

>>3088328
Except in this case it's true.

>>3088328
"you forgot [long list of muscles]", "[every other muscle] is out of place" and "the pose feels stiff" is a summary of the critiques, and it feels like that would be a waste of time saying.

>>3088330
Then at least offer *something* instead of passive bullshit. If you have nothing to add then there's no reason to comment except for pettiness which is what the rest of the board is for.

Why can't I make a clean smooth line on paper but not with a tablet, /ic/? I think I miss the texture, I don't know

Please, give me tips on linework practice

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Why does /ic hate cartoons? Why does everything have to be realistic?

>>3088358
Because you have never checked the catalog and found the stylization general

>>3088362
Would this fall under stylization? It seems like that thread is just for anime, which isnt what i draw.

>>3088362
Would this fall under stylization? It seems like that thread is just for anime, which isnt what i draw.

>>3088362
Actually it looks like the smg thread is the closest i can get to a thread dedicated to more cartoony styles.

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hi guys
can you help me with this anatomy?
I don't feel like I've placed the clavicules right.
also the shoulders and triceps position is really messy from my point of view

please, any help is welcome

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>>3088404

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>>3086651
big orns

>>3088406
beg your pardon?

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Is it true this is like a test to see who can and can't make it?
Can I? Oh god... where did all of it go wrong....

>>3088440
It looks like a shrimp with sunglasses

>>3088177
I would buy that for those puffy nipples alone.

Hello /beg/.
Quick question.
Is there any place I can find decent resources for anatomy study? Just googling stuff doesn't quite cut it.
Much appreciated.

>>3088471
https://sketchfab.com/models/0e9ade8d5f9443d39abd44fb05e1608d

>>3088475
Thanks, didn't even think about sketchfab.

>>3088404
>>3088406
>>3088447
lmao i thought the same shit, didn't even know what that was supposed to be at first

Anyone got a face reference with very obvious planes and values?

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>>3088493

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>>3088493
here it is, anon
if you google "planes of the face" you'll get tons of others (also in different angles)

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>>3088521
tnx senpai.

>>3088018
>only replying to the positive comments
nevergmi

>>3088547
are you new? he's never addressed criticism for months lmao

it's his own decision if he doesn't want to improve, just hope he doesn't regret it down the road

>>3088555
>>3088555
>>3088555

>>3088555
>>3088555
>>3088555

>>3088555
>>3088555
>>3088555

>>3088551
he has improved though
in every fucking area except those shitty heads he draws