/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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ESSENTIALS:

>https://warosu.org/ic/thread/3023643
Links to many art books including as Keys to Drawing (Dodson), Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain (Edwards), Perspective Made Easy (Norling), Color and Light (Gurney), The Vilppu Drawing Manual (Vilppu) and How to Draw (Robertson).

>http://ctrlpaint.com
A website dedicated to understanding the basics and process of digital painting, based in Adobe Photoshop. Library of over 200 free videos.

>http://quickposes.com
Free pose library to practice drawing the human figure (as well as a portrait library). Draw at your own pace or set a timer for quick gesture drawings.

>https://www.youtube.com/user/onairvideo
Croquis Cafe - Timed model poses.

>http://drawabox.com
Controversial yet helpful introductory course on the fundamentals of drawing with a focus on understanding the concept of form and thinking in a 3-dimensional mindset while you draw.

>Your local life drawing class
Life drawing is an indispensable tool in your art career. Do not be intimidated based on your skill level - there will always be someone worse than you and someone better than you. Use this opportunity to meet new artists for learning, critique, and growth.

>>3082030
Shut up faggot nobody want to make you proud

>>3082037
find someone to make proud

whats /beg/ opinion on krita?

>>3082045
it's nice

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Not OP but some more refs.

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I don't know what in the fuck I am doing

My lines are still all over the fucking place but I doubt that is the most of my problems.

will post a reply with a figure from a few weeks ago, am I actually making progress?

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>>3082059
feel free to use or not use

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>>3082061
this is from the 11th of last month for comparison

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>>3082062

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>>3082065
also taking requests

>>3082061
Definitely some improvement in the flow and proportions of your work. I'd unironically suggest you look into figure construction methods to supplement your gestures. Loomis is fine but over hyped; I like his face construction but his full figures are meh. Hogarth is very good but the detail can be oversaturating. I'm not a huge fan of bridgman but a lot of people seem to like his work here so it might be worth a shot. Not particularly instructional, but a good reference book is 'Anatomy for Sculptors'. If you prefer videos, proko's are very good.

I'd also suggest you try out vilpuu's method of figure drawing. His lessons are boring but the techniques are good.

Over all I would say your drawings feel very flat. In some there are some obvious anatomical issues (bottom right for example). I'd almost say that you're symbol drawing some parts; the female figure in the middle at the bottom has a number of odd shapes (around the stomach) that make sense on their own,but in context of the whole drawing don't really match. If you're aiming for cleaner lines (which I suggest), perhaps try challenging yourself to draw without 'redrawing' lines, or if you need to make corrections, use a different colour. This way your mistakes are also highlighted.

Godspeed anon.

whats the best art program for shitty computers?

>>3082076
That was fast as fuck, thanks for the advice I will definitely take it to heart

>>3082079
paint, probably krita compiled from source

>>3082066
>>3082065
>>3082062
>>3082059
i miss regular op, he posted good references

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Any tips or general rule of thumb on Drawing Teeth?

>>3082092
lmao, draw whats not there, not whats there

>>3082094
I don't...
What the fuck does that even mean

>>3082094
thats some confusing shit nigga

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thoughts?

>>3082100
>>3082101
try drawing the shadows of the teeth and gums (well no gums because its a skull) instead of the actual teeth. it looks like you drew w/o reference too. start with reference

>>3082101
it will (not) stick with you. gotta stop drawing outlines at first.

>>3082087
lmao the shade. i stopped posting them because you can get them off quickposes.com anyway since that's the ONLY place i got them so i saw no point really

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>>3082094

>>3082113
People picking different references is a bad idea. Everyone doing the same reference teaches people more.

>>3082113
>>3082117
its true, plus i felt more compelled to actually draw them instead of doing my own thing. helped me a lot. i call myself beginner but i bet im half way through the term beginner

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So I learned that I honestly hate doing skirts. Also, this isn't how my waifu's supposed to look. Any advice on how I can fix how I drew Weiss?

>>3082124
it looks more like a 1800s dress. go look at a skirt. the direction is wrong, looks like wind going up yet the hair is fine

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>>3082030
how to improve

>>3082103
Pose is off balance. Hands look weird. She has no neck. Most of the contours are misshapen - the profile of the face and stage right arm. Butt sticks out too far, moving it in to the left would look more realistic. Lighting is not consistent; from the torso I would assume the light is coming from the viewer's left and from the top, but the shadow on her stage left arm and lack of a cast shadow for this arm contridicts this. I'm not hugely into superhero stuff but I would think that her bulletproof arm things fit tightly instead of floating around her wrists.

Howecer I do like the middle back area, it looks very good. It is also recognisably wonder woman. The image converys a story of a battle worn woman who is ready to keep fighting if necessary. I like that she's looking at the viewer, tense and ready for action. Excellent start anon.

>>3082141
pls resize.

Looks good. Recognisably a fly. I don't know a lot about them unfortunately. Your hatching is nice but it might look nice if the lines followed the contours more to convey the form. You're kinda doing this already, on the front right manidble thing.

Sorry I don't have more to say anon, it looks good but I also have a very limited knowledge in the subject area. YGMI.

I want to draw lolis!!

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I used a day off work to make this

Throw me off a bridge

>>3082208
a whole day?

>>3082148
suck my dick little bitch boy

>>3082196
Do it
>>>/c/2927705

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>>3082124
Her chin is not lined up with the features on her face.
Her left wrist is going in a completly different direction from her arm. Just try to fold your arms like that.
Also her shoulder line is flat and doesn't follow the perspective of the rest of the body.
Are her shoulder pads supposed to be triangles? I can't tell if thats a costume thing or you just gave her square shoulders.

>>3082210

A good chunk of it, but I also played some LoL and went out to dinner etc. etc.

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>>3082066

>>3082066
Do you have anything that shows a lot of weight on a fabric. Like a person in a really soft bed or something.

>>3082240
not really a whole day, what 1h30 at dinner, 3h lol? if it only took 4 hours just say, its still alright but kinda stiff. the failures are revealed when you look at what the hair is masking

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>>3082062

>>3082222
Something wrong anon? You can let it out here, it's a safe space.

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what you think?

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>>3082065

>>3082254
its like a wikihow picture drawn by a retard

>>3082254
I think someone has family issues. Is that what you were going for? Ignoring the style, the perspective and composition could be better. What purpose does the table have, why is it floating on top the chair.

>>3082272
fuck youre retarded, its saying that the guy is on the same level as a table, to have stuff layed out on him.

>>3082254
Im actually interested. Could you post a link to your blog?

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>>3082059

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Trying to learn how to paint digitally, anyone got tips?

>>3082277
That's what English speakers call family issues

>>3082254
>>3082279
Second this. Your stuff is interesting.

>>3082293
fuck its almost as if its obvious

>>3082279
>>3082295
memers leave

>>3082241
Looks pretty good anon. Try drawing the face, it's one of the main focusses of the image. Your hands look nice. Your lines are quite scratchy - I'd encourage you to try drawing fewer. The first few exercises on draw a box are helpful for this.

>>3082244
Do any of these help? I know I've seen what you're talking about but it's probably from porn.
http://imgur.com/a/QpNDj

>>3082250
This is a good start and conveys the pose pretty well. However there are a few areas that need some work, particularly in accuracy, if that's what you were going for. You can see from the negative space between the legs and also the ab area and the head that you squashed the legs and elongated the torso somewhat. You seem to havce a tendancy to over-simplify shapes, turning most areas into oblongs instead of observing sharp changes in angle in straight lines (like the arm). Outlining shadow shapes and defining contours might be where you should work next.

>>3082254
got a giggle out of this anon. Perspective needs some work and the line wight varies maybe a little too much but the image is very clear.

>>3082256
The above crits might be helpful for you. Without rambling too much There are some issues with negative space. Biggest problem I see is with the bent leg - both feet actually touch the ground. The stage left shoulder is heading in the right direction - a smooth expressive line that captures the movement and the image accurately. Your drawing looks stiff (but then so does the reference image, my bad). Since you're working digitally it might be worth grabbing a large chalk brush and blocking in shapes like that instead of working with lines to see if you find that method preferable.

>>3082311
Hit character limit, continuing:

>>3082280
I'm very surprised that anyone had a shot at the lion, congrats anon. Doesn't look like you were going for 100% accuracy but I like the way this worked out with the geometric shapes. Hopefully you don't find this offensive, but it kind of reminds be of the tree paintings that the monkey in the lionking did - simple, but with personality. I will note that the far forepaw is in an uncomfortable position like he's actually faced toward the viewer. You captured that 'I'm a lion and nothing bothers me' vibe.

>>3082291
Colours are very reminiscent of old flash animations. Has a very washed out and flat feel - I'd suggest you add in some darker values and really push those that get that sweet, sweet contrast in. The face is also somewhat lopsided.

Can anyone post what is an example of a good pencil portrait. I'm kind of fumbling in the dark.

>>3082306
IM SERIOUS

>>3082324
then dont ask for a blog, its done to death

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=pencil+portrait&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjykICyj7bVAhXjv1QKHdHwChIQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=993

remember you can achieve photorealism with just pencil

What drawing software u use /ic/?

Using Krita now but i miss a way to display a reference on the screen without copying it to the canvas

Also feels poor about brushes

>>3082345
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>>3082345
>>3082322

>>3082346
krita, photoshop, gimp, paint tool sai, paint

on windows = ps, sai or paint

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advice on value?

>>3082346
Don't use it myself but, Setting > dockers > references images.

Post brush sample.

is there a website that will generate portraits for you to draw similar to lineofaction or quickposes?

going to /soc/ depresses me

>>3082383
https://line-of-action.com/practice-tools/face-expression-practice/

>>3082388
Oh wait you're familiar with LOA. Never mind

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I just want to draw gestures well enough for even grumpy anon to not tell me I'm not ready

>>3082401
LEGS

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Drawing with shoulder is still a new concept but hopefully, my ellipses look better. I numbered them

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For years I have dedicated myself to painting portraits, landscapes and still life, but from very small I have always liked the illustration and comic so I have done many works in the anonymity, as a rest or hobby. This is one of my jobs as a freelance illustrator, although it is a "model" I plan to pass it to a much larger painting. Inspired by St. Julian's artwork.
I would like to know what changes you would make in this drawing.

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>>3082059
lion's big day

>>3082496
shouldn't you be doing them using lines as borders?

>>3082542
I just wanted to get good at practicing the ellipses in general. Let me do it over

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>>3082542
Are they ellipses big enough or should they be larger?

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Did this cause I wanted to paint something for the apartment. What do you think. Please be brutally honest

>>3082581
I think they're fine as long as they touch and don't go over the borders (lines and the elipse to its side), the subreddit of drawabox has a lot of homework submissions about this exercise, you should look there

>>3082557
did you look at the reference or not

>>3082584
What do you talking about?

>>3082582
reminds me of a circuitboard

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2 minute per face (really no more than 90 seconds)

pretty hilarious results

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I tried Preston Blair and fucking shit that eggshape method is bullshit is so hard

fuck eggshape method

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Rate my Proko eye

Do I have to drawk the mannikin (the skelleton looking one) each time before putting on the bulk (with Loomis method)?

>>3082642
Well if you can do it without the skeleton then that might be a sensible course of action.

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refs

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>>3082660

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>>3082663

>>3082232
Thanks so much for the criticism, and the visual demonstration of what you pointed out. I was honestly getting really fucking tired of people everywhere else being like "OMG IT LOOKS GOOD" just because they want to be nice.

>>3082647
Of course, desu I don't feel like I'm getting it, I don't know when I should move on to the next section of if I should copy every diagram that he gives you, is there any Loomis study guide that I can check?

>>3082666
You can always go back later. Once you feel like continuing to study the current chapter won't produce any more real gains move on. If you can't tell then just move on anyways, get frisky

>>3082634
Six kangaroos out of ten.

>>3082582
It's quite nice actually.

>>3082582
looks like you spent no more than 10 seconds to plan it out, and took 20 minutes to paint it.
really lazy

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>>3082660
I "tried"

I'm in the process of learning about perspective. How necessary is it to practice doing curvi-linear? Where it's just an orb? Because that shit looks intimidating as fuck. I only finished my second 1-point perspective lesson and maybe shit will change after I finish 3 point but for now that looks like it's gonna be a huge pain in the ass. Granted, I'm still gonna at least try it when I get there, but I wanna know how often it's used overall in works made by people who know it already

>>3082694
now i can truly see what people mean with a drawing looks flat

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>>3082664

Can I do the ctrl+paint tutorials while using clip studio or should I use photoshop unil I finish ctrl+paint?

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>>3082065

I have a real hard time finding the right color for highlighting skin and similar textures. I'm garbage so I just do white with a lower opacity but often it looks off. Any tips?

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Why do i procrastinate so much fuck.

Also which loomis book to start with?

>>3082757
yes most definitely. Apart from custom brushes and photobashing, both program works very similiar. So clip studio should be fine. Its not the tool that makes an artist.

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Torso twists are hard

>>3082795
well at least u aint chicken scracting all over. you are off to a good start bro.

>>3082798
I do love the sarcasm of this board.

>>3082694
Don't forget to flip your canvas horizontally to make sure you're not skewing stuff to the side

>>3082557
Why did you draw things that are not there? His right cheekbone is completely obscured by his nose.

>>3082800
Think he was being serious, that line quality is decent

>>3082582
the composition and color is nice dude, even if you could probably do better.

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Is there a program or website that lets me study light on geometric objects? I find that hard to do with real life objects.

>>3082807
On the lone pair of eyes? i chicken scratch a lot due to lack of linework practice and lack of confidence.

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Trying to do something like a fish-pries, anyone got any tips on how to continue this piece and how to do fabric?

>>3082616

Take a look at steve huston free 3 hours video on head gesture. It's on youtube then try this again.

>>3082383

You can use reddit. If you can find a subreddit where people post portraits just change the url from [reddit.com] to [redditp.com]

You can even set the timer for auto next or manually do it.

The closest subreddit I can find is

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfie/

See this as example

[https://www.redditp.com/r/selfie/]

>>3082356
Work on anatomy first and construction

>>3082810
Ask >>>/3/

>>3082665
I totally understand, I get the exact same none-advice.
>>3082311
thanks for reference, I always try to put a bed type background last minute for my pinups but it never looks quite right so I want to study people on beds.

Do you recommend Perspective made Easy (Norling) or How to Draw (Robertson)?

>>3082892
How to draw honestly. Everything past the first like 4 chapters of perspective made easy did nothing for me.
And those 4 chapters are blown away in like 4 pages in how to draw.

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tried to draw this guy, put them side-by-side, curled up and cried

>>3082923
thats a big nose

>>3082124
sucks

please learn some fundies before ruining your waifu

>>3082927
yeah, both sides need to be squished in

>>3082930
Well congratulations, you got yourself a rhinoplasty

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Can someone show me how this should look?

Its 2 interlinking bear traps but I cant imagine how the spikes should curve around so it just looks weird,

I tried to make the spikes simmilar to the same spikes on the other side but just cant do it right apparently

How do you identify the center of gravity?

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>>3082975

>>3082929
Alrighty. Btw I drew that months ago. However, I'm still shit at drawing anime.

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Is this torso too long? And any other things that may be wrong before I start adding the head then detailing.

>>3082557
>oh fuck theres soot all over my face

>>3083054
hands are small

Some anon mentioned some video classes by Michael Hampton in the last thread, any idea where to find them?

>>3083086

cgp

>>3083083
I'll fix that, but I'm really worried about the torso. I don't want to 'cap it off' with the head without at least someone else telling me it's a good size.

>>3083127
Not that anon but I looked there and there wasn't anyt hough. Just his book. I was actually a little surprised.

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Practice for focusing on color theory and shading:

Pick two colors. Draw a character or a scene while trying to use entirely, or almost entirely, colors that are only mixes of your two chosen colors.

See how mixing the two colors and getting different in-between hues can simulate lighting effects.

Made this guy with different levels of green and red mixed together.

>>3083253
I'm the anon that asked, search "Analytical Figure Drawing" and it will appear
>>3083127
Thanks

>>3082557
Do blind drawing. Don't look at what you're drawing or look at it barely at all, stare at the reference, and don't try to draw a face, don't try to draw anything, just think of what you're doing as a series of shades and ratios, don't even consider it a face. If it looks odd or wrong, but it looks like the reference, then don't change it.

>>3083271
Oh damn thanks. Crazy how they dont put his name in the title

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ill learn shading in color in time but i just wanna know how to make poses a bit faster. my main problem is making the forearms too short and making the waist and the legs are a pain

>>3083317
for proportion you can check loomis

how the fuck do i get rid of chicken scratches

>>3083320
Loomis?

>>3083323
Use a thicker brush.

>>3083323
By getting more confident and comfortable and proficient with drawing long lines. That's one of the intended outcomes of doing gesture drawing, and contour drawing, especially with figure drawing.
Ideally, every time you put a pen or pencil onto paper (or the digital version), it should be purposeful and have meaning. (you don't have to have 100% success here, it's just a philosophy).

Chicken scratching is timid, and unfocused drawing. Get more comfortable with drawing, and gaining some confidence.

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roast or critque
dont really care

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>>3083441

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Charcoal portrait studies from reference in prep for a life drawing activity. Tried to do each under 30-45 min, put emphasis on edge control, form and value.

>>3083441
whats there to roast or critique

it needs to be cremated

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>right-side brow
>eyes a little bigger
>face too short

Am I missing anything else?

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>>3082664

>>3083510

Might just be me, but are the lower legs not out of proportion? right one lil too short, left one lil too long?

>>3083505
Values are very off.

>>3083571
In relation to each other, or in composition? I didn't spend much time on values, just wanted to do enough to keep it from looking flat.

I tried to study, I really did but I look at these 3d people and books and feel nothing. I get more done when I look at pixiv all day.

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:eyes:

>>3083555
I think it is too short.

>>3083590
How about some pen to paper action? or is looking all you do.

>>3082923
push the values in the crevices, use an 8B or whatever it takes, will make it pop.

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What do you guys think?

>>3083741
holy fucking shit. this is atrocious. Drop the anime and learn fundamentals. Jesus christ...

>>3083741
?simool

read backwards and you'll shit bricks

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>>3082401
>>3082797
What's the verdict

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pls no bully

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>>3082979
Where M is the total mass in the volume and rho(r) is the distribution of density.

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>>3082661

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rate my gestures

>>3083630
>>3083632
good shit
>>3083750
>>3083770
not bad, but work on your lines. Maybe try working with real ink.

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The values are all over the place, but how bad is the anatomy?

Crit please and how to erase pastel?

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>>3083973
Forgot pic

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>>3083899
I'm not someone to judge, but it's pretty bad. You should try constructing.
Crit me too

>>3083987
> try constructing
I did
It's really hard.
I just can't seem to find the simple shapes underneath organic ones.

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>>3082030
I havent draw all summer which is pathetic I know. So here's something I drew this morning. Bully all you want

>>3082666
Try this one
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=V_GhKAgfAQ0

>>3084038
nice tumblr nose
howd he put on the hood with those horns
is he bald on the back of his head or why is there no hair behind the strands at the front

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Asking again to make changes to anatomy before I start on the head.

>>3084070
Noe that you mention it , it does have a lot more problems than I thought.How about the shading?

QUIT ART NOW

ARTISTS WILL BE REPLACED BY ROBOTS VERY SOON

http://imgur.com/gallery/sHWjg

>>3084108
Damn, not long and technology will be able to make perfect replications of photographs

>>3084108
Cool, you can claim that this tiger was drawn with rape victims' pubic hair or something, and exhibit it in galleries.

>>3083899
what's the point of drawing without construction on loomis board

>>3084167
>what is the point of drawing
fixed that for you
also it isn't all loomis board, there's some proko and other shit here too.

>>3084022
>>3083987
>>3084167
>>3084228

How do I into body construction?

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Does this look even the slightest bit acceptable?

>>3084255
just draw circles and lines or boxes(some people like it but I loathe this shit)

the best way(for me) is just doodling around like Villpu here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_2rL1K1mg

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>>3082059
i wanted to redo this but my wrist is killing me

>>3084295
too big eyes

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>>3082066
>faces
>hands
>anatomy
>clothes
>perspective

lord in heaven

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>>3079838
day 5
ayy lmao

>>3084302
Not bad. Just make sure you push the eyes a bit farther apart and extrude the muzzle some. Also try and (deep breath) feel the forms. Run some cross contours if it helps.

But again, not a bad attempt. Keep it up.

>>3084300
This video reminded me how important pencil grip is, thanks

If you draw on paper, what size of paper do you use?

>>3083741
damn i miss bleach

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how do you transition from copying photos to actual drawing?

>>3084519
knowing structure, constructing and perspective, try to draw the same thing but at different angle = you can't copy lines.

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>>3084529
thats a good tip
i didnt know hippos were so cute. they look like cows

>>3082401
WACKY WAVING INFLATABLE ARM TUBE MEN -

WACKY WAVING INFLATABLE ARM TUBE MEN -

WACKY WAVING INFLATABLE ARM TUBE MEN!

>>3084519

Just break it down to simple form (sphere, cylinder, cones) You can adjust the form as you see fit. Then study the features placement.

When you break it down you'll see that most animals shares the same basic form. Sphere for head protruding cylinder as mouth. Just look at the side profile of other animals. Cats, dogs, horse, cows, giraffe, kangaroo etc... All of these animals head can be simplified with pretty much the same basic form.

As for the body. If you do a lot of figure drawing and know the simplified body construction. That can also be adjusted to fit an animal body.

>>3084087
it's fine, but the left most hand is still tiny af

>>3084519
try not to see it as just copying

if you think about it you're taking an image and tasking yourself to reconstruct it with lines and paint. its not just copying. you're literally building it back up. your drawing of a hippo is very weak. just a couple of wispy lines. you got the outline right but we're not here to just make hippo stamps.

just trying to make sure people get the most out of photostudies.

>>3084300

Villpu uses circles and boxes too.

https://youtu.be/Ij_-HStl04o?t=64

How long do I draw straight lines and ellipses before I move to the next step (whatever that may be)?

>>3084580
776 hours.

>>3084580
Exactly two months and two week. If you did Drawabox, two months and one week. If you move on too early or too late than these exact dates, you're never going to make it.

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Gettin back at it bonus points if you know the brees

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I just made this for a friend.

Crits pls

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I tried to draw a cartoony angry character

getting the eyes right is really hard

>>3084580

30 minutes (Increase or decrease the time up to you) before any kind of studies. Do it everyday. Don't spend your entire time on it. You just need to do it everyday. Motor skills requires repetitions. That's it.

>>3084810
Too much detail on the eyes for having so little detail in the mouth. Adding lips and some curvature would be nice.

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Totally lost trying to explore some atmosphere of something. Didn't really come out like I expected it to with the block in. Expression is supposed to be showing like some shell-shock but it looked more apparant in the lineart. Any like inspo for similar themes or crit is cool.

>>3084817
jaw is misaligned with the rest of the face

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Practicing shape painting. Got the head shape wrong...

ref >>3081155

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Is this how gesture works?

>>3084576
yes but box technique is shit

>>3084886
the most crucial thinh to fix in your study is the values. The reference is a lot more brighter in her face

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any thoughts?

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>>3082030
Aside from the bad proportion of the ear and blatantly obvious change of rendering and texture, how'd it go?

>>3084952
you can't draw without construction

>>3084961
i'd say it's a good enough piece on its own but it doesn't do as good of a job recreating the reference.

>>3084961
It's good. Now you should try drawing it again while focusing more on feeling out the basic 3d forms, and grouping the tones together more. Right now it feels flat and spotty.

>>3082927
for you

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someone? is this correct?

>>3082857

genius, thank you

>>3085155
No, but you're getting there

>>3085212
What should I pay special attention to then?

>>3085216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2T7cDY7YDsg&t=7204s

I am not the anon that previously replied to your post but I am also having difficulties with the head and the explanations in this video are really useful, check it out

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I did the upside down drawing of picassos igor stravinsky. I'm not exactly sure how his right leg got fucked like that, that and his face, but still judge me.

>>3085219
thank you anon

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should i get one of these?
found a website that sells them relatively cheap compared to amazon, anyone experience with this website aliexpress ?

What's a good physical or PDF resource for absolute beginners? I can't even draw a straight line so I'd like to get the bare essentials down before I start working on more complex elements. Drawing on the Right Side and Hodgson seem beyond me when I can't even make the simplest shapes.

Draw a box looks good but it's a website and I'd really prefer either a book(I'm willing to pay) or a pdf that teaches beginner stuff.

Your thoughts, ic?

>>3085229
Don't
Aliexpres sales bootlegs, meaning you get fragile, stinky ass shit that won't benefit you in the slightest.

If you want a posing doll get figma archetype next. They're not perfect either but they're cheap and have better design and proportions.

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>>3082557

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Which angle shot do you guys like more?

>>3085245
bottom one feels more natural to me, but you might want a second opinion on that

>>3085246

I agree with you, and that's great actually because all it took to change them was play around with the Perspective tool in Photoshop.


Never knew it existed, that's crazy useful.

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>>3082537

>>3085230
Keys to Drawing

>b-but im really bad
Doesn't matter

>>3085245
The left vanishing point in the top one should be further left, the distance between the two points should be the same in both angles, otherwise the top one looks way more foreshortened, as if it was photographed with a wide-angle lens.

>>3085257

So, everytime I want to do a construction I have to aid out a perfect eye level with accurate VP's and field of view?


How can I just draw a perfect box to construct in it without having to do a gigantic horizon lins with vp in it and running lines back and forth?


What is the correct angle of a box in 45 45 and 30/70?

>>3085035
>>3085047
Awesome. Thanks guys.

>>3085230
Keys to drawing by Bert Dodson

Is mass figure drawing the best way to get some muscle memory and then be able to draw from imagination ?

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I can't this fucking knee, and the rest.

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pls rate.

>>3085308
Spend more time on it. More details

>>3085305
I don't really know much about anatomy so take this with a grain of salt.
Maybe just circle out the knee more then i Think your good

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>>3085309

>>3085320
See if you can't watch some videos on values and lightsources. The shadow where the pear and ground meet are difficult to distinguish, and there doesn't seem to be a very clear lightsource.

The stem seems very flat.

Also, the brush you're using has a blur to it. You should clean up your edges. Still, you've got the general concept of lighting going. I think you're at a stage where you could improve at those skills fairly quickly after digesting some tehniques and doing more still-lifes.
>>3082030
Now lend me and eye and tell me what's wrong with this.

I think the curve of the torso (which I suspect is too long) could be more dramatic. I guess I'm having trouble with foreshortening.

Is holding the pencil overhand and retraining muscle memory actually worth it

>>3085320
not nearly 3-dimensional enough. add more depth

>>3085349
Just get comfy and produce results.

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>try drawing a rando grill
>she accidentally looks like Emma Watson because I'm bad at drawing
>tag as "hermione" for the likes

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>>3082030
Thoughts so far?
critizism welcome.

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For the love of god help

>>3085475
eyes are pretty small

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This one is all from imagination, anything broken so far?

>>3085477
i like your muh style, do you have a blog?

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not really sure what to do
advise me someone please.

>>3085486
bit tall, length from boobs to the belly button is too long. if you want them to be that tall try getting more of the height in the legs

>>3085500
a good effort. so good on you.
a few things.

you need to familiarize yourself with the 3 equal proportions of the head and how the side planes of
the head and front relate in accordance with the 3 equal proportions.
the best route for this would be to study LOOMIS's head book. there is a reason why that book is shilled on to the point of meme status. dont just skims over it. ream his words and study the plates allot. it will be worth it.

while you are doing this also study the human skull, and familiarise yourself with the landmarks. and see if you can draw it from imagination using the same head lay ins from loomis. it will make everything clear.

whilst also studying this grab HAMPTONS class from CGP. it will help you in understand
the relation of the head and neck and body. the book above and this class compliment each other well.


Thats was my route. good luck

So what's a good progression like? Do I just do 30 second gesture for weeks, then 2 minute gesture for some more weeks, then gesture + drawing anatomically correct figures over it?

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>>3085498
Sadly, yes

dynamitedogs.tumblr.com

>>3085533
Imagine someone stayed faithful to gestures for weeks, then constructed only figures for weeks, then focused entirely on anatomy, imagine that guy to have gotten ridiculously good at figure drawing in the span of like three months by doing that, just by stubbornly, yet thoughtfully, grinding the "boring" exercises

If that guy existed, don't you think the Loomis squad would mention him all the time?

Have some variety in the stuff you draw, don't worry about an optimal schedule you won't stick to for more than a two weeks. Do some gestures, try constructing a figure based on a gesture you feel you really nailed, see if you can hit the landmarks; look at a reference, construct a figure, then flesh it out without checking the reference again and see how well you did on the finer anatomy. Mix it up, get radical anon

>>3085534
thanks followed you. I saw you post once on /co/ but could never find you again. really enjoying the stylizion you got.

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Party hard people from imagination ;| can i get some crits ?

does the cat-alien-face guy still post?

>>3085562
Thank you anon, you've really bolstered my spirits!

>>3085486
>anything broken so far?
Yes, that thing she's leaning on.

>>3082061
no way dude i love dicks

>>3082064
if you're sketching out your gesture, you're doing it wrong. use like one line for the hole left side of the torso to the foot at the back. this should take like a minute

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Forced myself to work on the same drawing for a whole day. And not being afraid to delete big chunks and redoing them.

>>3082241
yo i thought the arm on the left was her leg at first; maybe fuck with the muscles a little or add strands of hair resting on the shoulder to make it look more obviously a shoulder. love your hand pose though

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>>3084817
she doesnt look angry so much as a little bit annoyed. look at what angry faces do:
- lower eyelid comes up
- eyebrows push out and more to the middle, in a kind of U formation, but flicking out and being more flat on the outer parts
- nostrils flare
- which makes the nose look more like a V than a normal, relaxed nose
- skin on the bridge scrunches a little bit
- laugh lines might be emphasised (on a cartoon maybe only do this a little bit near the nose on the far side of the face, but it depends on how tense the expression is)

basically all the skin and muscles move toward somewhere between the eyes, which makes people look more threatening by baring teeth opening nostrils, flexing facial muscles, etc.

i guess just think about that and try and stylise at least some of these things into your cartoon to make it more expressive

>>3085596
Eyo man, women have wider pelvis, not torsos. Cool conceopt tho

>>3082582
ref?

>>3085596
arms are too large relative to the body

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What can I do to improve these turtles before moving on to painting them?

>>3082927

For you.

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ctitique pls

disregard the autism of the pic, would appreciate feedback

>>3085646
Give them ninja weapons.

>>3085658
Right off the top of my head:
>Chicken scratching
It's hard to see exactly where her arms are supposed to be

>Proportion
While the body itself looks alright, her mouth is way too small for her face (as well as down too low) and her neck is entirely non existent

>Perspective
The eye on the right side is too big for where her head is turned. Both eyes would be around the same size

>>3085596
like your style, blog?

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>>3085666
better?

the neck is nonexistant because she is laying back.

But I guess is a case of trying to make it look real instead of obeying the reference because ends up looking weird on paper.

thanks senpai. that fucking neck and face have been fucking me up all day.

how about now?

>>3085658

Clean your fucking lines.

>>3085679
is a wip you fucking mongoloid.

I'm asking you to tell me whats wrong because is not done

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pinterest models boy 1 here, please rate my portrait and tell me why it's bad

>>3083759
That's cool anon! Do more detail and shading. Work on your highlights. If the light is coming from behind this fishman, then his face and body should become gradually darker as it gets closer to the front of his body.

>>3085670
i consider this quite alright even though it has this foot-fetish vibe some sketches have

>>3085684
not that guy but at the moment its too messy to even tell what is going on. All I can see is a foot and a face

>>3085684

>wip

Kek...

>I'm asking you to tell me whats wrong because is not done

You have shit lines.
Clean it.

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>>3085685
The eye on the right is slanted inward and the left eye is much less slanted. You can also tell from the reference that her face is supposed to be longer, and the nose should be a bit more narrow. Add more shading around the nose to fill the form, and add more shading to the right cheek. Your drawing makes her cheek look too flat. Her eyes have no place being that big either. The mouth should be slightly narrower, the lower lip needs more volume, and the curvature of the mouth might need to be adjusted to be less straight. The eyebrows could be more prominent. Think about the shape of the ridge her brows rest upon. They should flow with that form.

Not to be rude either, you're better than me.

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Is it "cheating" or counterproductive to draw something, scan it and then use SAI/Photoshop to use it as the base for a digital drawing?
Is there an advantage to starting the drawing digitally, or is it the same?

how do I into clothes physics
I can see shapes in my heads but when I draw characters their clothes just look ridiculous and unnatural, how do I figure out where wrinkles go or how a piece of cloth might fall?

>>3085725
no rules only tools my dude. starting the drawing digitally is just kind of a convenience thing in my opinion

>>3085792
>>3085792
>>3085792

>>3085792
>>3085792
>>3085792

>>3085305
Could still really use some eyes and words on this.

>>3085686
tnx for the advise, I'm still pretty bad at light and values.

>>3085477
Looks cool anon.

>>3085721
thanks, i was hoping no one would find the reference lmao; i'm gonna try it again today

>>3082103
looks like she is about to fart