/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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Blatant abuse of the rotate tool to spot inconsistencies

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A wip dragon head sketch I'm working on

I can't seem to decide on what direction I want to t take it

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Since Nose found me unworthy of his critique, I'm gonna try this again.
Anything in particular I should be practicing (differently)?

>>3067747
you should probably tell us what you're practicing
>inb4 drawing

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I was drawing in a public place. An old man saw me sketching and told me. "OH you are drawing birds and an eye. Very good." I was sad because he was no available to recognize what I drew. I was practicing concept art monster design but it looks like my designs are bad. What do you think anonymous. Is it that bad? What I'm doing wrong? what books are good for design creatures?

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>>3067763
I can see how one could make the mistake, at least based on the drawings on the bottom right and left. Looks like a bird skull and an eye.

>>3067763
Poor old man was just trying to relate what he saw with his poor sight to something he knew to give you a nice compliment.

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I made this to help an anon but the /beg/ thread i was in was a duplicate.

>>3067778
in what way is this help

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What am I doing wrong?

>>3067747
why would I critique anything that you can just overlay the source image on.

>>3067789
do you see the arms on the left one?

>>3067794
The only problem I see is being messy with the lines. You've gotta take your time and plan your strokes.

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i did this for the last thread
i was doing cartoon/anime shits with a tablet, i want to git gud but i have a question. Keys to Drawing is really a good start for a shitter like me? or i should start with Loomis

>>3067807
Thank you, I think I realized this before and just needed someone to tell me

>>3067812
start with drawing on the right side of the brain

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Hey guys , Critique and give me advices

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>>3067820
and this one too

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>>3067820

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Posting my finished lineart, not quite finished with it yet. Would be greatly appreciated if any critique could be made so I can avoid bad habits. Thank you!

>>3067837
You can leave the beginner thread.Those tits shouldnt be that visible under the shirt though. its just you wont really get good input here at your level.

>>3067827
>>3067820
Tiny heads for tiny food
anyway, seriously.
You seem to know what you're doing, you're just struggling with proportions and anatomy
Try drawing a shirtless man so i can full understand what you lack

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Dumping my shit here

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>>3067840

Am I not at a beginner level yet? Where should I go from here? I'll make sure to fix the boobs

I started it off naked since it was my first real serious piece involving a pose, was the body ok at least? I'll be sure to leave the thread after this.

>>3067840
i thought you were done misleading beginners

>>3067846
i mean you're not amazing, but once we cant scream at you to read the sticky/loomis/form you should swap over. You go into stylized thread where most of what youll get is insults ( as opposed to being ignored) with some good help once in a while.

Long story short, once the only way to explain how youre wrong is a redline you should just move up. its not so much about skill as it is about being in the optimal place for gains.

>>3067856
i legitimately think this guy should move up, a lot of the bad ones arent me though. Post your work and an explanation of why you disagree with my above statement.

>>3067840
wrong, but i dont understand what you think they're capable of at this level
>>3067837
You gave her a lot of mannish features.
or is she just fat? her face doesn't look fat to match her body

The face lacks too much detail
eye brows are too high, no eyelids?
at least put more effort to the eyes if you're not gonna draw the nose.
the breasts aren't reacting to the left and right arm tucking inwards.
the hands don't have any any form, they're basically squares with thumbs

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>>3067737
I'm about 4 months in. There is a LOT of anatomy stuff I don't understand and need to work on. Especially knees and elbows.

>>3067857

I'm glad! I've never really shared my art much outside of my recent days here at /ic/, so I appreciate the input

>>3067861

Thank you! I'll add more detail to the face once I start coloring it, I kept things to a minimum so the colors would stand out more.

I'll move onto the alt style thread then, thank you both for the help. It's something new to me but I've never been happier to share my stuff than with you peeps here.

>>3067863
I FORGOT THE HANDSSS

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>>3067867
I mean I feel like I have come a little bit farther along. It took me awhile to figure out SAI as well. I'm super comfortable now to where I can just focus on drawing and not how to change tools.

This was about 3 months ago.

>>3067844
whats with the face and neck?
Fix the perspective with the neck
the eyes are symbol drawn
practice drawing more noses and lips.

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I didn't think I could produce something as shitty as the left one. Back to perspective & construction...

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>>3067877
No

>>3067863
work on getting those angles correct. The legs look like they're going behind her, but the pose has them going to the right.

>when the artwork in /beg/ looks better than the art in the drawthread

>>3067897
ngmi

How do you tell apart a beginner from an experienced drawfag?

>>3067885
They are almost the same though.
It's just the expression of the lines around the forms that give that impression.

>>3067900
Ah! I see that now!

Will do.

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My second time doing any digital art. i use krita since i'm cheap. my friends didn't want to really critique me, so lay it on me

>>3067968
Im not going to critique you but i can drop a truth bomb on you if you want.

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>>3063946

>>3067745
I like this dragon.

>>3067987
sure, lay it on me

>>3067993
you're a special individual and what you do matters

>>3067993
Your art is awful read the sticky, your friends wont critique you because its awful and they dont want to hurt your feelings i wont critique you because your art is undeserving of one. Art is the worst hobby you can get into, you can learn to ride a bike in an hour or play some songs for your friends on an instrument in like 50 hours but it will take 2000 hours before your art looks presentable enough for your friends to give you a none pity critique and 6000 hours until you can actually be satisfied with your own work. There is literally no point in half assing it, unless you dedicate yourself to getting better for the next 5 years don't even bother.

If you still want to draw then you have miles to go before you sleep and miles to go before you sleep.

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>>3067737

I want to die

>>3067968
You should study textures, anon.
The shadows don't make too much sense.
The cat feels a bit stiff.
It doesn't feel like the ground is stable.

Keep trying anon, you'll make it!

>>3068007
This is wrong, after 20 hours of reading and practicing anyone can impress their normie non-artist friends.

>>3068007

Post your work

Did you try to quote Robert Frost? How pretentious

>>3068014
>>3068005
Thanks for your input! yeah honestly the shadows were a rush job, just so it could look kinda finished. but i was really just experimenting with different brushes and getting down how to use a tablet. The characters in question have almost no movement, and i agree there is no real solid composition, and it's hardly completed. I'll post an update whenever i get a chance

>>3068010
I love your eyes, and the contour of the body is pretty good, however your proportions in the face are a little too rounded and squashed in consideration to the body, and the ear is a tad large. overall i think you have a great idea, and with a few tweaks and some refining it'll look pretty good

I've been attempting to follow the sticky but i'm completely lost, I'm on the very first step of observation and sight, i've been attempting to draw basic things in my hours as instructed, but it's a mess, I don't even know where to begin unless the thing i'm drawing is a literal cube. How do I practice doing this, "You train this by drawing things exactly as they are in the real world" But I don't even know how to begin, or how to make it look even 5% close to what i'm drawing

>>3067988 your line work is a bit sloppy, but you definitely know what you're doing. slap it down as your first layer and refine those edges, add some color.

>>3068028
>Pretentious
Why wouldn't I quote a beautiful poem? What the fuck is wrong with that exactly? Im so fucking tired of you psuds dumbing down this site with your >autism and >tips fedora meme posting. What would you do if the next time you posted your art or showed it to someone they said "heh, drawing... that sure is pretentious". Thats what you sound like.

I can only hope you are just lashing out after hearing truth for the 1st time in your life and are not actually a retard.

>>3068021
I can impress my friends by showing them the paint job in my room, but if i asked them to critique it as artistic expression they would think im a retard.

>>3068005
Thank you. In the moments between moments, where our darkness dwells; the kindness people like you share, make even dandelions give a sweet smell.

>>3067820
first resize image for one, second maybe spend some time on construction, even anime shit needs construction. If you work on that 10x better. keep working anon.

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What's a good way to stop drawing from the wrist

No matter how much I try I can't seem to will myself to draw from the shoulder, or even from the elbow
5 minutes in I always end up just switching back to the wrist and then nursing my hand since I end up drawing 5-6 hours without a break

>>3067968

Interesting idea anon. But you lack the technical skills to pull it off. Start learning now.

Just by grasping the basic knowledge of fundamentals will make anything you produce 1000x better than this.

>>3068178

How big is your drawing tablet?

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how did I do with my babcia?

>>3068182
you made her too wide

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>>3068180
8.3 x 7 wacom currently

I used to have a 10 x 7 but it broke after a year

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>>3068010
It is not bad but you need to check your angles more accurately to catch the shape and the gesture of the model. I've marked a few important angles so that you can see for yourself the difference

>>3067885
I'm sorry anon, though your shading is much better one the right, the I think the left is more symmetrical and is a better construction. Do keep practicing though!

>hurt my hand muscles
I wasn't drawing. I wasn't doing anything. I was just tensing my fingers when all of a sudden; ouch.

>>3068202
Don't red line anyone.

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drew this around a year ago after reading through DOTRSOTB

stopped drawing a little while after that. what could I have done to make it better?

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Trying to draw from reference 1H aday.

this is where I'm at after 1 week.

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I know I'm still bad at drawing, but it feels nice to try again on a picture after a while and doing noticeably better.

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>>3068277

>>3068277

Nice work anon, keep this going and you'll be there in no time

>>3068277
congarts man that's huge improvement, maybe try doing some shading on her face?

>>3068252
you are a sad little person

>>3068277
Good job.

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>>3067731
i think midway through this i realized i had my priorities wrong. i chose this guy because the lighting was cool, but i think i should focus on lighting after i can just do more linework like >>3067115

desu i dont actually know what my priorities should be. i think i did good on the lighting, it kind of showed up horribly on my camera, but i feel I should try to focus on actually getting the shape of the head correctly and the features right before i do cool lighting

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What to study? Made it so far as hobbyist, but I'm 26 now, and would like to pursue art seriously. Recommend me media to help me study. I draw on a Cintiq 27qhd

>>3068307
You're no beginner, fuck off this thread

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>>3068305
as much as I hate the phrase, youre not really drawing what you see ( if thats working from reference)

work through this and it'll help a lot

>>3068325
There are different levels of beginner.

>>3068305
You need to constantly control where the part you're drawing is in relation to other parts

For example, look at the guy, the "length" from the bottom of his chin to his bottom lip is longer than the length from his upper lip to the tip of his nose, see that? Also when you draw from a reference, don't think to yourself "I am now drawing an eye, here is how an eye looks" but instead something like "I am drawing this shape that I'm looking at and when I finish it will look like this guy's eye"

>>3068345
but he or she is not a beginner, that art is really really good

>>3068307
>Cintiq 27qhd
this nigga crazy

>>3068394
the whole point of /beg/ is skill improvement, which artists at all levels need

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Are my ghosting lines any good?

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Need critiques

>>3068401
stop, drop and read hampton

Is it normal that my lines on my laptop are much, much shakier than the lines I draw with a pen or pencil on paper? Should I use some kind of smoothing?

>>3068399

There are some good ones in there, keep at it for a little while longer.

>>3068399
draw longer ones

>>3068398
yeah but it says beginner

>>3068048
thanks anon

>>3068414
>>3068419
Is this better? On average how many times would you say to do each exercise?

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>>3068435
Forgot to attach image -_-

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Am I doing okay, for starting a week ago?

>>3068442
no

>>3068439
These are better, but your lines are still wobbly because a) you're pushing your pencil too hard on the paper, b) you're drawing lines too slowly.
>On average how many times would you say to do each exercise?
Do each excercize until you get it right every time, there's no rush.

>>3068442
see >>3068333

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More questions:

1. Is it normal to be zoomed in at like 400% (or even 800%?) while drawing details?

2. Should I consider buying a larger/bigger res monitor/tablet in the future if I ever get good? Currently using some 19-20 inch 1280x1024 monitor with intuos medium, I could see a higher res monitor giving more workspace but for beginners I guess it's not really a priority?

3. I tried to shade an egg for fun & practice, sadly I lost the first one but how does that look like? Shading it was hard, mostly because of brushes so I guess I'll read the manual and test things out later.

4. While drawing boxes, I noticed that my lines look like shit, because of my lack of skill and brush choices. After some experiments, I narrowed my brush choices to those 3 in the pic. Personally I like how 1 is clean and easy to control while 2 is more dynamic but I keep fucking up, 3 is more for sketching but I guess it could be used for lines too? Should I learn how to control 2 (or change it's settings?) or just use 1 since I prefer it? Lines will be pretty flat but does line width matter if I color everything? Am I supposed to even care about my lines that much as a beginner after I'm not chicken scratching and shit?

Also learning things like basic shading is fun, but when I try to practice it it's completely different to how I visioned how it would go and I fuck up and then wonder 20 minutes why I fucked up only to fuck up again. What I learn doesn't translate to what I draw very easily apparently. Or maybe I should get more familiar with how the brushes & other things work asap instead of little by little. Overall I'm having fun, reporting back here after making some progress is a pretty good motivator so far.

>>3068442

I hope this is ironic

>>3068455

1: It is sometimes, but don't always zoom in so much because it might lead to overdetailing one area and ruin the overall image. Not problem though if that area is your focal point.

2: Higher res monitors are always better

3: I think the bounced light isn't dark enough and your core shadow doesn't really follow the form of the egg well

4: Brushes is mostly personal preference, I just use a hard round brush with pen pressure on so opacity and size change when I sketch lightly vs hard.
It's better to practise lineweight early so you should still care about your lines. It matters because it can be a way to show depth and weight in a picture.

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>>3068485

>>3068467
>bounced light isn't dark enough
I'm seeing values wrong then I guess? More practice & studying will probably fix that, guess I'll try another egg or something else after I study shading some more.
>core shadow doesn't really follow the form of the egg well
Oh I see it now, it looked perfect 5 minutes ago I swear. For an egg, core shadow should be more round since eggs are pretty roundish, I guess. Kinda looks like it has a dent in it now? Now that I think about it, It feels like I was sort of "symbol shading" or just copying the shading from reference without really understanding or thinking what I was doing, just when I thought I got rid of doing that shit. I mean shading or drawing is mostly logical and in this case, one can figure out how to shade this egg by using perspective and determining a light source direction, yes? Well at least I learned that, also learned that while I don't subconsciously draw symbols anymore, I sure shade like that, gotta stop letting my brain move my arm on it's own and look and think what I'm doing before I draw more symbols.

>It matters because it can be a way to show depth and weight in a picture
Yeah after googling a bit I see what you mean, I didn't google enough to see if one could just replace a fat line with a thin one + shading to show depth/weight but eh, 100% flat lines is probably bad idea anyway so I guess I'll try to figure brush 2 out. Or I guess I could answer my own question by drawing something twice with different lines and coloring them and seeing what's different or if line weight matters to me.

I learned surprisingly lot by simply looking back and studying that pic, thanks for the input, I probably wouldn't have noticed anything, especially that symbol/copy shading part, without help. Seeing your own errors is pretty hard.

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Trying those loomis head exercises as well as drawabox

I believe this is the Blook Ball exercise

>>3068517
how about you learn how to draw proper circles first and then actually try to do proper cross contour lines instead of posting this half arsed garbage

>>3068517
DO NOT USE FUCKING LINED PAPER, and draw with shoulder not wrist

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>>3068333
>>3068381

>>3068305 here. what do you think of my 2nd attempt. sorry for the bad camera

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A couple days ago I posted this pic (knowing how bad it was) and someone sent me >>3068333

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Trying out some new lighting directions, since I'm usually only using the front light and that's not too exciting. Am I doing it right? I'm mostly doubtful about the back-light one.

>>3068553

I think you're drawing the eyes and nose too big and the mouth too small and it's completely fucking up your proportions.
A front facing face will never have a mouth that low.

Do you actually look at your reference and measure angles/size relations?

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>>3068555
So I did it (halfway through I sort of got the idea and turned it rightside up)

so I'm here now and its miles better. I've been trying to pick out shapes and draw them in proportion by seeing where they should be in relation to shapes Ive already drawn.

but I dont know how to go about doing hair like this. there seems to be way too many little shapes to realisticly do it the way I've been doing it.

where do I go from here?(and thanks to the other guy who helped)

>>3068555
Yes, and?

>>3068559
and I know the left pupil is out of place, its next to fix after ive tried hair

>>3068558
yes. i was even using a ruler and stuff. i pretty much was looking at the reference like 95% of the time studying it and the other 5% i spent drawing

>>3068560
>>3068559
my bad, I shouldve had it copy pasted

>>3068560
>>3068559
Nevermind.

It's better, I think you should work on your chicken scratching though. And the drawing will also be miles better if you added a little value, it's all a little bleak and hard to look at.

>>3068555
Why are you drawing that mentally ill degenerate bruce jenner?

>>3068562
maybe get some paper, put it over your reference, and quickly outline the major features.

you have to know that they are all way out of position in relation to each other right?

>>3068562
Can you post your reference then?

>>3068556
if you used form and make your arms into 2 tubes you wouldnt bamboozle yourself.

>>3068566
i agree that the nose is to big and the mouth should move up, but i think the eyes are pretty good in terms of their size and position. ill try that next time

>>3068567
i used >>3067731

>>3068556
>doing lighting shit when you can't even draw the human body properly

That's like trying to squat 225 when you can barely do 135

>>3068564
oh yeah, I know it'd look a lot better but after the first pic I wanted to see if I could actually draw a pic with correct proportions so im not shading a wonky drawing (this isnt finished yet obvs, just wanted to know how to go about the hair)

>>3068565
I know what youre saying, that drawing was so brave

>>3068573
its not, anatomy and rendering are two different subjects

you expect him to only squat till he can do 225, then what about his bench?

>>3068571
here, Im to shit to redline properly but I can trace. it doesnt seem like you actually did what the infographic thing told you to do,

look for shapes rather than thinking 'im going to do the nose now, a nose looks like this and should go here'

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>>3067731

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>>3068583
oops

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Should I practice the ghosting lines more before continuing?

>>3068570
I did start with that, then imagined what shape the arms would take when the muscles were applied to those cylinders. But I do see her lower arm is way messed up.. Didn't really focus on anatomy for this though, purely lighting.

>>3068573
It gets boring practicing anatomy every time I work, so I wanted to practice some other fundamental thing to not stay behind on that, like >>3068579 said.

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>>3067737
I made her face look like a village whore but I really tried on the body

>>3068547
You're supposed to use your shoulder for really big drawings.. wrist for details and other small drawings in general, elbow for drawings a size larger etc

>>3068590
cylinder or fucking sticks?

>>3068582
You should use a brush meant for drawing and not line work

>>3068620
What does a brush meant for drawing look like?

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>>3068556
I think you could learn most working from reference when it comes to lighting unfortunately. Not that you have to copy the ref exactly but draw your own character in similar pose and work from there.

Top lighting looks most aesthetically pleasing. But that's probably because it has a fuller range of values than front. I'd say biggest beef I has is there isn't much a difference in how you're trying to shade soft gradient and hard edge/cast shadows.

>>3068547
>>Draw with shoulder not wrist


For this tiny circle. Give me a break

>>3068627
im not >>3068547 but that anon is kind of right. instead of a bunch of small circles you make with your wrist, you should aim for far bigger circles with your shoulder. the skills from these circles wont translate that well into more defined drawings

also yeah line paper is kind of obnoxious to look at

>>3067800
The arms on the right one are worse

>>3068619
Now that you mention it, that right arm looks way too thin, same with her left wrist. Thanks, I'll fix that.

>>3068624
Yeah I've had trouble finding some good references, it's mostly just pictures of a head lighted from different angles, not to often full body. I'll study up on hard/soft edges as well, thanks!

>>3068635
Neat concept for a drawing in general but I can't tell what's coming out of her and what it's doing

>>3068634
But drawabox has a segment where one needs to draw ellipses in a box. Wouldn't it be better to start from the wrist and then move up to shoulder?

>>3068648
just squid like tentacles. guess i should redraw them more squidlike

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>>3067737

>>3068585
thank you for posting this image. im gonna try to do what this image proves i do incorrectly. will post result once i do it correctly

Any tips on linework when finishing a digital sketch? I try to trace over it as accurately as possible but the lines tend to end up wobbly. Maybe it's a matter of practice, but I find it difficult to keep a steady hand while moving quickly.

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>>3068682
i find that with digital art in order to get it to look proper you need to do linework in big strokes very quickly. this means a lot of ctrl+z but once you've got it right you've got it right. i hear the bigger you make your campus the better.

thinks what this gif is doing. it only exists for laughs but this gif actually kind of represents how you should do linework properly

i dont know how credible of a source i am. i'm just a beginner but those are my thoughts.

>>3068682
I find it helps to put a piece of paper on top of my tablet. What software are you using, does it have stabalizers?
Also don't forget you can always rotate your canvas or flip it horizontally if you are having trouble with a certain line(just like you would traditionally)

>>3068686
yep this anon does it right
watch any artist draw lineart realtime and this is how they usually go about it

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Anyone have a pose with this same angle? I'm trying to do a similar pose but I need a proper view of the shape of the ass and legs.

>>3068428

I could be good at painting but shit at everything else. Linework/color/composition/figure/anatomy. Get it?

>>3068409
Yeah, it's normal for most people that aren't Cintiq owners. Clip Studio has a very nice stabilization system for linework.

>>3068687
Photoshop, until I can get my own tablet. I want to move on to Clip Studio or SAI eventually

>>3068188

I used the small intuos. The first months my wrist started to swell a little. But I can't do anything about drawing from elbow or shoulder. The fastest way to fix this is buy a bigger tablet.

If not you just have to figure it out. For me it's tiring to draw with elbow or shoulder all the time and there's barely any space on this thing.
So instead of using these joints I started to develop this technique.

Zoom.

Zoom out for longer lines. You need practice and pretty much guess what level of zooming needed to still have control over the lines. I do it so much now it's just second nature.

After about 3 months I started to draw just from my finger. Barely move my wrist.

>>3068682
>>3068706
Try inking by filling in shapes from the pen tool. Clip Studio pretty much has the best regular linework but the pen tool is one of Photoshop's strengths.

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Something's desperately wrong with my technique but I can't put my finger on what it is. Is it the paper? Is it that I used thin, sharp lines with softer, larger lines that all go in the same direction and that just doesn't look good? Is it my value judgment? Someone please help, I can't get over this pRoblem

>>3068717
Also dont just list things that are disproportionate, since I can already see those. Unless, of course, you think that fixing proportions would fix my work entirely

>>3068042
>>3068202

Thank you senpus <3

>>3067735
Hehe benis xD

The texture on hair looks nice. For the rest: Have you went through with Bert Dodson's book? If not, I recommend it for you

https://mega.nz/#!LZsVXTjJ!t5W4mBq9v2iBbJWxvHM04rrMtA4wV7d3ZqX4daJowL4

>>3068717
>>3068726

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Any good exercises on how to draw cloth and clothes?

>>3068726
thank you, unusually helpful anon

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Although I'm not exactly new to drawing, I wanted you give the Igor Stravinsky exercise a try.
What can I take from this? What should I work on more?

>>3068733
your lines suck and aren't very confident

The exercise doesn't really tell you much about your work its more of a "oh so this is drawing what you see" kind of thing to stop symbol drawing.

>>3068743
Well it's less of "stop symbol drawing" and more of "this is what it feels like to not symbol draw and actually take your time to measure." Be careful what you say around these /beg/gars.

>>3068733

That's just for a COMPLETE beginner who've never use pencil/pen to draw properly. That teach what drawing is like.

You don't even have to copy it perfectly. Just go through the book. Then use the knowledge from it to draw using observation. Study from life/photos. Start with something with simple shapes and work your way up to more complex stuff.

After you've grasp drawing from observation. You can start with construction (loomis/hampton etc...) while still doing the studies, only this time you can focus on the things you want to improve.

>>3068717

Ref?

>>3068779
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXrMGf99oK0

>>3068584 <--- like the image in this one
>>3068622
in your picture it looks good but it looks like that brush was holding you back
you're lacking alot of information in that drawing

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after a few days of spending approx 2 hours of practicing lines on the shitty $50 wacom tablet, this is the best i can do. the lines are still pretty inaccurate and the basic warmup stuff that i can do competently on paper is of pretty poor quality.

does it get better than this or did i fall for the small tablet meme?

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WHATS A NIBBA GOTTA DO TO GET A CRITIQUE AROUND HERE

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>>3068803
can you erase all these random lines around your drawing (not just the ones i circled, just all of them) they're very distracting.

your faces seem very good but i think it would be better to analyze them, and better to hone your skills, if you drew them all separately rather than have some, especially the bottom right two, covering one another.

your facial features seem fine, its just hard to tell whats a random gibberish line and what's actually intended to be part of the face

>>3068586
yes, try to draw the line faster and with more confidence

https://www.mediafire.com/?9c8xam46sx96f#myfiles


Anyone have these files but in mega form?

>>3068808
>your faces seem very good but i think it would be better to analyze them, and better to hone your skills, if you drew them all separately rather than have some, especially the bottom right two, covering one another.

this is the result of making your sketches for other people to see rather than practice

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Trying some heads from imagination...

>>3067827
- don't trust what I say because I'm a hack, but.
You're not far from great stuff! What other anons said, keep focusing on proper anatomy, don't take anything you're drawing for granted - question what you're drawing, every aspect. I think the elbows come in too late, they should be higher up. I think

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>>3068779
I tend not to include references because I've found that people are more likely to point out problems with technique rather than just pedantically point out slight angle differences or whatever, but here y'go

>>3067844
is that a caption?

>>3068182
good likeness, just learn2render

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>>3068808
i cleaned it up for you
and i dont really know what to improve on myself, I was really hoping someone could see something wrong and shove it in my face

>>3068799
need answer

>>3068799

Gets better with practice. Just do it as warm up before your studies.

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How did I do big guys?

>>3068857
but i cant do anything if i cant even draw lines properly

>>3068835

You just need to measure more and get the head shape right. I see you can already somewhat copy what you see so start construction right now.

Youtube proko simplified loomis. It's free and you can practice right away. After you grasp that, get loomis pdf (drawing head and hands) download in sticky and study those plates.

>>3068861

Motor skills takes time.

Bring a small sketchbook around and everytime you have a little bit of time. Draw lines and circles. In a week or two you WILL improve your control.

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>>3068870

>>3068843
You should draw these same faces but really bigger. They're so small and compact that the simple lines used to make their mouths and such look fine, like a cartoon. If that's your intention keep up the good work (I'm not really that qualified to critique this but maybe someone with a better eye than myself might come around).

If you draw them really big and separate I bet you could realize yourself what you're doing wrong or right before even showing the new images to /ic/, but I recommend that for further practice

>>3068875
>sketchbook
read the post you dolt

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>>3067734
This is my first time ever on /ic/, and I'm just starting art. How is this?

>>3068884
too exhausted to explain why to not start your art career on a tablet

just dont

>>3068884
pretty good but pretty flat
the chin isnt parallel with the forehead
the mouth and nose are too low, making the face looking stretched a bit
The bones to your mouth and cheekbones are really short but you caused them to be long in the picture.

The right eye is good but theres no space for the left eye in the shadow

>>3068890
Not trying to start a career, just trying to have fun and learn a skill in college. Would you rather me do it again on paper or something? Don't really have the tools or the space necessary unless you want me scribbling on the carpet under a textbook at the moment.

>>3068895
im not >>3068890 but basically if you want to develop your skills properly paper is the way to go. not saying tablet art is bad but once you get good at that you'll find you can't translate your skills to paper if you ever decide to do so. it's pretty much one way with these two mediums. being good on paper translates pretty well into digital, but being good at digital hardly translates into paper.

>>3068442

that's a lot of acid damn

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>>3068880

Yes, sketchbook to practice on. I'm using a small tablet and I drew worse than that anon.

All I did is practice on paper and on the tablet. It works. Still need more practice. This shit just takes time. The more you do the better you get.

And I think I'm slower than most people.

>>3068897
So should I stop on my little tablet? This is just supposed to be a fun thing on the side while I get my CS degree.

>>3068894
Thanks so much, I'll try to keep this in mind as I correct

>>3068900
well really it depends on your end game. literally there is no harm in experimenting with tablet art so feel free to do that. if you decide with a more serious direction in art you might want to reconsider your options. also the other anon and myself are just random strangers on the internet, so id take what we say with a grain of salt and you should let your own experiences dictate how you feel about digital art.

>>3068822
good but too easy. need more varying angles if you really want to git gud

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>when you haven't drawn on paper in 4 years and it comes out retarded

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>>3068796

>>3068799
> a few days

You didn't fall for the small tablet meme. You fell for the "I can master something in a few days" meme. It took me 2 weeks to get comfortable with one.

I currently only have a mouse and GIMP to draw with.
Any tips for drawing this way?

>>3068945
dont

>>3068948
Why not? I understand it would be more difficult, but couldn't that be fixed with greater skill.
That being said I was looking into buying a stylus, but for that I must ask a different question; where can I get one that doesn't require me to go online? If I'm getting something like this I'd rather go to a store for it.

>>3068952
dont because you can't really "draw" with a mouse. Using the pen tool is a whole different game and if you're not using illustrator for that it's just a big gay pain in the ass. Having no tablet means just drawing traditionally and then unnecessarily digitising it, where you could just, y'know, not.

>>3068957
Ah, I see. Good thing my laptop doubles as a tablet. Now all I need to do is find a stylus pen and I should be golden.
Thank you for your time, good sir.

I've been trying to learn hampton through the models on line-of-action.com, i'm on chapter 2 right now which is about landmarks. Problem is, I can't see a lot of the landmarks on a lot of the models. Am I supposed to memorize proportions from his diagrams first, or do I just keep grinding 2 minute gestures until I get it?

When is the excuse of "I dont have muh materials", "i nid drawing paper", "i dont have gud pencils" valid?. Basically, when are you good enough that materials are the things holding you back? I am using any blank paper i can find and 2 pencils, 2B and HB, because i found them around, i am not even near good enough to use those excuses, but i would like to know so i know when i should stop using recycable paper

I am not really asking for critique but feel free to give it if you want, although i only expect the usual memes which are true and that i should kill myself for even trying anime-ish stuff

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>>3068973
Forgot pic

>>3068285
I'm a sad little person because I told a beginner artist not to redline with the ms paint line tool?

>>3068973
When you'll be able to leave /beg/

>>3068995
get the fuck out of beg faggot
>>3068803
really like your style.

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critique dis shit.

kinda proud of it tho, out of the perspective being off, what other thing would you do?

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>>3069076
oh shit, some lines are really wabbly, that is problem with the scanner.

>>3069076
99% of /ic/ can't do this, so you can graduate from /beg/ now.

>>3068975
Nice! You can leave /beg/ now.

>>3069090
Don't be like that

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How do you practice value? Do you just grind out studies? I can't seem to get it.

I'm going through Bert Dodson's Keys To Drawing, and a lot of the suggested projects involve drawing models from life. I'm a NEET with social anxiety and no friends. I don't have anyone to model for me. What do I do?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jICUhfHtrqA&index=85&list=PLU-T03zbiA9mucJCVTOlrU8-OYB1m0GsL
Can't imagine the patience required to paint something like this

>>3068892
Are those from memory?

>>3069100

Grind, study and pay VERY close attention to the values you choose relative to the others.

There may be a lot of resources around drawing and form, but value and color painting are one of those things you just have to eyeball until you get good.

>>3069100
grind from life.

>>3069100
grind from life yeah, but dont forget to apply it to pieces from your imagination in between every study

>>3068799

Can somebody explain to me how that wobbly shape\tube works?

>>3068182
a bit too wide I think, especially the nose, but you've captured the likeness quite well.

I've watched and then practiced facial features according to Proko's videos. While I got the nose, his method of drawing lips and eyes just doesn't click with me, and without the reference I draw them like a 5 y/o. Are there any different methods to construct lips and eyes? Books/videos anything really.

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>>3069044
>get the fuck out of beg faggot

I dunno mang my head construction is pretty shit, just realising now that her neck isn't centered as well

these took me almost 40 mins each orz

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>>3067730
so i traced rihannas fast fast, applied colours from oc that my friend did me and called it a day
how i can do better next time without getting frustrated before i even start? i wanna start liking drawing again

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>>3068278
>>3068277

Well you inspired me enough to try your reference. I think I made the eyes too low.

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>>3068995
>>3069369
fixed it up a bit

>>3068892

These are pretty good, dude. I can't see I heaps of difference between the 1 minute gestures and the 5 minutes but I like them.

>>3069369

What kind of construction is that anon? The one on the front facing head.

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idk if animating 2D would be easy, id sorta wanna try

>>3069397
I think you should work on your line economy first before you try to animate anything

>>3069398
you got any books on that?

>>3069400
There isn't any book that can help get rid of all those excessive lines, just try to use less lines.

If you have trouble drawing one continuous line you can try out the first drawabox lesson, or Peter Han's Dynamic sketching classes

>>3069405
do they create messy sketch first in anime business and then apply one strong line on topper layer and delete the mess coz thatd feel like very fast solution to this IMO

then again i wanna do music video for the beats ive done so maybe messy can be the artstyle

>>3069341
what do you mean?

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Left most was from reference
Is there any value in doing this sort of practice? If there is can someone redline?

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is he a good dog /beg/?

What is the next step after circles and lines and weird floppy shapes? Should I work on proportion first, or perspective? I've got my drawing hand down (for the most part) and I know about a lot of stuff, but I want to know what to do next. Youtube tutorials are helpful, but if I can't figure out which order I should tackle things in, they're useless.

>>3069489
make them into something and add 3d perspective. ie morph 2 circles into a body shape. this helps not only creative drawing but combines skills

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shit tier?

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>>3069489

This is what I do most of the time. Just warmup exersizes and stuff to try and get my lines under control and a bit of cross-hatching to prepare for when I feel good enough to try and start shading.

>>3069445

How do you execute the excercise? I've read about it somewhere but I don't remember exactly.

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Study from nature
>>3069502
No but a tree is impossible to fuck up, take more risks
>>3069487
So much symbol drawing... flip your reference upside down and blur it to see the actual shapes easily
>>3069470
Drop animu for now, it isn't helpful to learn

>>3069369
just gtfo im not gonna fix your ego issues.

>>3069561
just stop responding to him

>>3069369
>>3069369
typical example of an overly modest artist. "b-but i'm not good T.T i'm terrible just look at these terrible terrible drawings of mine x_x"

He's right, you aren't a beginner.

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On the right is my second attempt, the left is from 2 days ago

What the fuck am I still doing wrong? How can I improve this?

>>3069491

What about gesture drawing? Should I start practicing that kind of stuff next week or should I learn individual anatomy parts first?

>>3069570

>>3068333


your latest is pretty good. but try this, and if you already have just try to thing more about shapes rather than features

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>>3069387
loomis is under there somewhere

>>3069564
sleepy me thought that saying that those took 40 mins each was enough to say that my proportions are garbage and that I rely a lot on constant altering to come out with any thing that's alright. I should really focus on less fixing, and maybe post those because they'd be a lot better to critique. Not to mention those are some of the easiest face angles to draw.

I'm even more relunctant to post in the draw thread because I don't see exercises like face constructions or gestures posted there. It's more serious stuff like painting studies but mostly drawings meant to be rendered and finished.

I know it's probably a case where some of the shit I do should go in the draw thread and some in the beg thread.

drawings attached are still worked on a lot but atleast the top middle one you can see what I mean by shit proportions

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how did I do?

>>3069610
Stop copying anime.

>>3069610
on top of copying anime you also copy one of the most poorly drawn ones

>>3069612
>>3069615
but japan told me to do it
http://illust.moe/2017/03/reproduction/

>>3069610
you have eyes. there are obvious things wrong it.

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>>3069615
>drawn
Know-nothing.

>>3069610
>>3069623
Keep copying anime. /ic/ has no idea what they're talking about when it comes to learning to draw anime. As that website shows, Japanese people learn to internalize the strict proportions of anime the same way they learn to write kanji.

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Day 2 of ghosting lines. I tried to do it as quickly as possible. Did I do better?

>>3069636
it's not about speed, you should focus more on steady paced and controlled lines. Also do some longer lines as well. Do some lines that take half of the page and some that take the entire length of the page.

also I hope your drawing otherthings as you do those cause boring exercise stuff like that can be draining.

>>3069636
Why don't you draw them straight?

>>3069640
So I should go for slow and perfected rather than fast and quick? I thought I wasn't supposed to thing about the line and do it as quick as possible.


I do doodle here and there but I know next to nothing about art So I'd rather get the basics down first.

>>3069641
I'll try to do it again. Give me a second.

>>3069658
Not to slow, not too fast
you go just right.

>>3069658
not slow or fast. Steady and controlled. If you shoot off quick lines you might struggle with longer lines and not straight lines later on, and if you go too slow your lines will be shaky. That being said I think it's better to go slower. Atleast then you're practicing control.

>>3067763
Old man probably just couldn't see very well. I immediately knew that was an insect of some sort, but it did take a moment to visually sort it out and understand exactly what I was looking at.

I'm a total beginner, but I *think* with monster concepts, you should focus on getting good silhouettes first before rendering them like that. I don't know. But you might look into that.

>>3069661
hermoinie

>>3069666
oh damn, you can actually tell?!

>>3067794
Messy scratchy and wobbly lines. Other than that, not much that I can see.

>>3069667
shes probably one of the most iconic faces of the 21st century. the proportions and eyes are good enough. in fact i think its the eyes that make it. still has a while to go but its pretty good

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first time i attempted to draw arms and hands

how did i do?

Any thoughts on this "Paint like a sculptor" technique?

>>3069676
Forgot link, durr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zC3OxonJcXQ

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I really hope that this orientates itself correctly. If it does mess up then I'll state which ones which.
Left is first trial, right is second


Or bottom is first trial, top is second. Im not sure which way it'll pop up. On mobile by the way. Im going to go doodle now

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>>3067733
Have I fucked up in any large noticeable ways so far?

>>3069689
You did a great job capturing Nicholas Cage's expression.

>>3069689
National treasure 3: this time we go for the bible

>>3069689
She looks older than the reference, I think it's the shading under her eyes. But it's still looking good so far

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>>3067737
I just dont know anymore

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>>3067733
It's been awhile

>>3069822
>>3069822
>>3069822

>>3069822
>>3069822
>>3069822

>>3069822
>>3069822
>>3069822