/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

>>3056676
Wow look at the figure on that bod

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trying v hard not to make this look like anime. copying from picassos "the embrace on the street"

>>3056694
I hate to be that guy but I think you need a little Loomis in your life

>>3056695
i'd agree m8.

thankfully the original painting itself doesn't involve actual faces, larger emphasis on hands & over shape of the figures

>>3056694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9h81HDeENw

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>>3056694
>copying from picassos

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Just bought acrylics, I have never painted but I do have drawn for quite a while.

Critique the devil out of it. And give me some advice as to what I should practice.

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Any advise, also need help cross hatching

>>3056719
Fugg man, never painted? Shit looks like the mona lisa, if the mona lisa was some mountains an-and trees and a body of water

>>3056719
How do I get as good as you?

>>3056719
Blog?

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If you post without text does it get deleted?

does anyone else feel a deep physical pain when they draw or is it just me

>>3056719
Noice, but don't forget about aerial perspective. Also add some light.

>>3056730
That's the depression setting in.

>>3056732
but i'm not white

>>3056722
is it an owl?

Anyone have a good torrent for photoshop?

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>>3056733
but you are handicapped

>>3056736
find a youtube tutorial to torrent PS CC by a little kid
usually those are safe to download

>>3056738
What could possibly go wrong. What's the current pirate bay site? .org, .se, something else?

>>3056738
this is the worst idea.

>>3056740
theres tonnes of proxies. name.website works

>>3056743
>>3056738
Is this the latest version? https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/12019334/Adobe_Photoshop_CC_2015_(20150529.r.88)_(32_64Bit)___Crack
Hard to tell with all the different names

>>3056752
>2015
gee i wonder.
What does it matter anyway? if its cs6 it wont have any feature differences.

>>3056756
I have no idea when photoshop released the latest version, considering you can't even buy it now, you have to subscribe for it.
It doesn't really matter, I was just curious. This one has the most seeds anyway

>>3056757
who do you want photoshop though? its some of the worst tools for digital art.

>>3056762
Is it? I've been looking around and photoshop seems to be the popular choice. What would you recommend instead?

>>3056765
sai or krita are better. ive used cs6 and krita mainly. i prefer krita, but sai probably has more extendability

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im trying to draw lips, heres my reference but whenever i draw them they always look like shit. whats the technique that isnt some 4 step bs that teaches you nothing?

>>3056762
Don't listen to him, Photoshop is one of the strongest tools you can use. There's a reason why it's industry-standard.

CSP/Clip Studio Paint is also good, or Krita if you don't want to buy anything/too dumb to pirate

>>3056752
OKAY FAGGOTS LISTEN TO THIS:
Do not download any torrents although I usually get mine off cgpeers so get an account on this and cgpersia if you can. I only use torrents because my internet speed is shitty and I have access to a tonne of private trackers where people will scream if it's fake and the offending uploader will get permanently banned from that site as well as every other tracker.

Anyway download the TRIAL VERSION OF PHOTOSHOP CC 2017 off the adobe website.

THERE ARE 4 DIFFERENT CRACKS FOR ADOBE PRODUCTS, ALL SHA-1 CHECKSUMS ARE TAKEN FROM REDDIT
TO USE THESE CRACKS
1. Download a copy of the cracking application from ANYWHERE. Doublecheck that the SHA-1 MATCHES THE SHA-1s in this post as this will ensure that the cracking exes are legitimate
2. use the crack app with the trial AS DOWNLOADED OFF ADOBE'S WEBSITE

1. Universal Adobe Patcher 2.0 by PainteR the successor to amtemu:
SHA-1 checksums:
adobe.snr.patch.v2.0-painter.zip 573 kB 7F4848FF9DACC01FE3EB65FDF32DF29A3A78BAF3
adobe.snr.patch.v2.0-painter.exe 587 kB 7D0D2B434B51ABE91E5B16E4C8DC8D26143B138C
2. amtemu - this is old so do not use
amtemu.v0.9.2.win-painter.zip 1.80 Mb 4320BF75BE097090B3866D7DB9813CF4E2214993
amtemu.v0.9.2-painter.exe 2.39 Mb CAAD125358D2AE6D217E74CFCD175AC81C43C729
amtemu.v0.8.1.mac-painter.dmg 1.34 Mb FA6A234DEC9BD736072D9E237CFD2993BA007E4C
3. amtlib.dll crack
4. XFORCE. I believe this is a P2P release group that releases on CGPersia. Releases from this group are more difficult to use but can be freely updated whereas with UAP you'd have to update then recrack.

Use UAP.

If you don't have cgpeers another good source of photoshop is tumblr because people will reblog posts and the ones with thousands of notes are unlikely to have viruses. Typically these cracks are amtlib.dll and they are idiotproof and the tumblr posts all have guides on how to install it in an idiotproof fashion and a trial in the post too.

>>3056774
(continued)
CSP 1.6.2
A few people reported getting this off torrentproject.se I think that this one is the same one shared on CGPersia/cgpeers but if there is a 1.6.3 version floating around it's in japanese so get the 1.9.2 version.
https://www.cgpeers.to/torrents.php?id=50569&torrentid=50513#torrent50513

SAI 1
Literally every website has it including deviantart

SAI 2 beta
I shared the crack on one of the earlier threads already. The crack was taken off CGPersia.

>>3056783
*1.6.2 not 1.9.2 sorry

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Would like some advice, I'm alright at curving them but I'm having a lot of trouble rotating a box next to another, pls help. Didn't get a reply last thread

>>3056771
its not the industry standard for digital drawing, only for image manipulation

>>3056787
PS is required for lighting/colour effects that you typically see in published artwork.

>>3056774
You say to get the cracking application anywhere, but do you have any recommended places?

>>3056790
Of course.
This is PainteR's twitter: https://twitter.com/painter701?lang=en
As you can see he links to a russian forum. I've seen posts where people say to use google translate on the forum to sign up.

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>>3056770
Two things that help: there are 5 lobes in lips (3 superior, 2 inferior), of course more or less pronounced, and you shouldn't draw the external outline. Concentrate on the change in planes (= value).

Another thing beginners have problems with is that they use lines for everything... you need to use the body of a pencil to make soft edges over the lips or you'll always get that flat drawn on effect

>>3056792
I've gotta admit, I'm not really comfortable going to a russian forum that some guy I've never heard of on twitter recommends to download a crack installer

>>3056795
Yeah most of the torrents would likely use his too.

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>>3056785
just take your time and fix the perspective on almost every cube before you start to warp them

>>3056797
At the very least the torrents on some sites are verified.
Is there any other way to get the crack besides that way? I like the idea of just cracking the free trail rather than torrenting

>>3056789
no its not. clip studio can do all the photoshop lighting

>>3056793
post your work

>>3056668
Does anybody know a method that would help me with limbs? I can never find the correct proportions, and end up with elephant-like legs or twiggy arms. Is there a trick to limb-width in relation to rest of the body?

>>3056799
Verified torrent providers are a massive meme. They don't actually make any of the cracks, they simply rebundle cracks produced by people like PainteR. Most of the time it seems they provide a 1:1 copy of the crack file. Some of them will maliciously modify the crack before giving it to you in order to cause you to install things like bitcoin miners on your computer. Therefore, if you want to use cracks ideally it is a good idea to get it from the cracker's own website/releases if you intend on using them. We can also ensure that the copy of the crack that we torrent is the same as the one released by comparing SHA-1 hashes. However, SHA-1 is actually outdated and people can produce files with the same SHA-1 hash even though they are different due to what's called SHA-1 hash collision, although I think that it's unlikely that they will retain the same filesize or the same function for that matter!

On public trackers, anyone can upload, and you can't ban them once it's found that they are uploading malware and they suffer no repercussions - they can simply make a new account.

That being said the cracks found on most public trackers and private trackers would be literally identical. With software, there is no guarantee that what you see is what you get, unless you are clever enough to code yourself or the crack is opensource and you can read the code and compile it yourself.

If you can get the full version of the software with only a keygen and no copying and pasting of exes you can also run the keygen inside a virtual machine or a sandbox to ensure that whatever is potentially in the keygen can't come out and use the code once generated to activate the clean trial version of the software obtained off the manufactured website thus ensuring that you are completely safe. Another thing you can do is to create a virtual machine and to install the pirated software only inside it.

>>3056728
critique this if u want

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I've been trying to learn this whole drawing thing for a month now and have practiced for hours everyday and idk if I'm even getting better fuck everything

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>>3056824
Sorry that was a lot bigger than I thought it was, here's resized

>>3056799
>>3056795
>wants something
>reeee meeee not like this, not like that, don't want this, don't want that, russians will finger my asshole
NGMI

>>3056824
>>3056827
too chicken scratchy.

practice drawing confident lines. the first lesson of drawabox goes over this and how to achieve it. once you have that down, practice drawing figures again and again and you'll see improvement.

>>3056833
I suspect you're right and have spent the last day or two working on line exercises, I'm having a lot of trouble finding the right speed for them to be accurate without wobbling the fuck out of control though. Wish me luck and thanks for confirming that for me

Hampton nor Loomis covers constructing the lips at different perspectives. Are there any good resources for drawing mouths?

>>3056695
so is loomis a bad joke or is it actually helping?

>>3056886
do you want to draw fat jewish characatures? do loomis

I honestly do not believe anyone ever got good at drawing, this is utterly impossible.

But since I am not one to back down how in the FUCK do I draw hair in portraits? Any books that go over this? I just can't do the whole "draw what you see" with it, I have no idea how to put it in paper.

>>3056895
draw it in chunks and layer it

>>3056893
i..i do want to draw fat jewish caracatures

>>3056895
Youtube vids?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAjINTNo-Cg
i think she does a great job

>>3056900
do jewmis then

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Tried working with thicker lines, but it feels like it's really inconsistent.

>>3056895
I used to be absolute fucking garbage at drawing hair, but what I did was have my reference, then break it down into the separating tufts. With someone with straightened hair, I'm not really sure.

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>>3056903
I need even more loomis don't i?

>>3056905
your depth is starting o show, keep at it. you actually need perspective made easy

>>3056906
Thanks myabe one day i'm brave enough to post my actual drawings not done in mspaint

>>3056904
What's with the scales on her head

While I've always understood the reference to Hampton or Loomis for beginning artists, is it a truly proper critique for those who don't intend to draw akin to realism? I guess what I'm getting at is: Is Loomis/Hampton good for anything but fundamentals for an artist who does not intend to stay in the vein of realism? I often ponder that. I don't intend to sound argumentative towards the methods of learning Loomis/Hampton, it's just a genuine question.

>>3056927
hampton it up then you can use what you learned to make your weeb/comic shit look better

>>3056927
You need to draw realism before drawing stylization.

There isn't a single great artist in the world that cannot draw a realistic scene.

>>3056933
Pablo Picasso?

>>3056932
I'm not entirely sure what road I want to take my art in– it's merely a passionate hobby for me. Something to do on my free time, but I want to improve on it. That question is just something I've pondered while truly learning the fundamentals.

>>3056933
That's a good point. Though, I've never considered how heavily stylized artists fair in the realm of realism.

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>>3056934
15 years old at the time of painting

Had a school assignment to make a political poster, so this is supposed to be Obama.

>>3056958
looks like a young cosby

>>3056934
some people, such as yourself are complete fools.

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>>3056958

>>3056958
add a background of conspirators. make him look actually innocent. that way you can have your poster showing that it indeed wasnt him, it was those behind the curtains. Just a though to get you an A

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>>3056964
You might want to mess with the hair and structure of the nose. His nose is a little too curved and his hair is really curly compared to his normal "do." Maybe this side profile of the man will help. For the most part it looks alright, but you still need to work on the background if you want that A like >>3056966 said.

>>3056968
He doesn't look useless enough.

can someone give me tips on shading?

>>3056966
also to add to my post look the actual obama barely resembles him. larger forehead V shaped jaw and huge teeth are staples of an obama caricature. you almost got the jaw right and the huge ears too. what year of hs / college is this if i may ask? (wont report)

>>3056966
You're right, it need more story(i've got an fun idea for that).

>>3056968
yeah now I see the profile shot next to my pic, the nose is totally off, hair too.

:) tnx

>>3056973
>shading
NGMI

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>>3056920
I felt I made the lines too thick there, but the hair is a bit spiky on the reference.

>>3056979
Nutritive Greasy melted Ice cream?

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>>3056974
I'm currently in my 6th year of high school in the Netherlands which is about senior in America(I Think)

>>3056904
Head is too small.

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Sorry if this file is too big but I need help. Trying to make prints of some sexy-ish women for a convention I'm getting a booth at but I'm a little lost on this piece. She's supposed to have her body facing 9 o'clock and turning to attack something at 5 o'clock. Does this look okay for what I'm trying to achieve? Any pointers?

Debating on turning it into Rogue or Storm (or just Rogue with Storm's powers) from X-Men or Katarina from League of Legends.

>>3057055
it's more like 7 o'clock and 5 o'clock now that I'm looking at it again. But I digress.

>>3056668
>planned on drawing this reference
>procrastinated

I'll never get to be in OP now :(

>>3057055
That looks good.

>>3057062
Is the face placement okay? I can't shake the feeling that it doesn't look right

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Reuploading because the old thread died. Should I learn anatomy or do I keep trying to do gesture?

>>3057066
Ideally you should do both I think

At what point do you get as good as a mangaka like Oda?
They never make lines for proportions or use Loomis or anything, just draw everything, no matter how complex directly from imagination?

>>3056719
Your dry brush technique is very good. I'm jealous! I always paint too wet to achieve it.

>>3057082
They do the construction in their heads.

>>3057082
This doesn't mean they NEVER used reference, you know. Think about it this way: you reference a specific pose 500 times, you're eventually going to know how it works in your brain.

I don't know what people here have against reference.

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w/out ref, someone?

>>3057093
>>3057094
But I don't wanna learn references, I feel like if I learn that way 'll never be able to draw what i want, like loomis just teaches people, that's it. I want to create so much more.
There has to be another way to achieve this.

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How can I still drawing like this? I was drawing happy 2 days ago but when I try to draw like that again I feel like the lines aren't the same or my hand feels weird

>>3057103
Yeah i's called fucking construction like I said plus there's nothing wrong with reference, how are you supposed to draw something when you odn't know what it looks like.
If I told you to draw me a T92 tank right now would you be able to do it semi-accurately without using reference?

USING REFERENCE IS PERFECTLY FINE
NO RULES JUST TOOLS

>>3057101
Study more, you're supposed to know what you're doing.

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>>3053643
I think the perspective and head shape are off. I also made the nose too long.

>>3057106
Post current drawing.

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I don't know if the upper arm looks too short or if it looks weird to me because I've been staring at it for a long time. I'm not sure how to lengthen the upper arm while also trying to use foreshortening. The top of the arm where the deltoid meets the bicep also looks a little off to me. How can I fix this?

>>3057122
Proportions are fucked. I suppose you've done this in one sitting, right?

>>3056668
I will never understand why beginners try to start out drawing realism. It would be like taking a drivers test in an 18 wheeler, which has like 15 gears and manual transmission, with no prior knowledge of how driving works at all.

I started out, when I was a kid, drawing cartoons and super heroes. Things appropriate to my skill level at the time. It took me till I was a teen to do realism. Yet I see beginners jumping in the deep end, and feeling like shit because their attempt at a portiat looks like a kid drew it... Oh well.

>>3056774
hey, I'm not asking to be spoonfed, but what's the deal with cgpeers registration? It says it's open on the 1st and 15th of every month but I've tried for 3 months now and it never lets me register. I'm not on any other private trackers because I can't afford to spend time licking some admin's asshole just to get an account so i can download some obscure music or a movie, but I'm really interested in a cgpeers account because obviously there's some useful stuff there that's not available anywhere else. Is there a secret konami code or whatever that I should do so I can register?

>>3057156
Yeah basically

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>>3056672

>>3057055
Make neck shorter
add clavicle bone
make left boob interact with lifted arm (boob moves as pec moves)
tilt head upwards
fix nose (where it connects and nostrils)
fix mouth (symbol drawn)
for the love of god fix ears
make hair blow in the wind, it's more dynamic

>>3056938
His dad was pretty good yeah

>>3057208
these were the bare baselines so the ear was definitely not staying that way lol. Working on corrections now. Shortened the neck but I may have made it too short. I've been looking at it for 2 or 3 hours now though so maybe it's just me. Added clavicle bone.

As far as the body goes, am I doing alright? I notice most of your comments were with the head.

>>3057103
You dont want to learn with either construction or references? Nigga what is your other option?

>>3056905
Fix the chicken scratch too

>>3057247
Being so good, you can straight up copy whatever you see in your head.
Although I know that's not how it works.

>>3057103
This is how people who can't draw and want to believe there's an easy way out talk.

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i feel like my art looks way too flat, and i want to add more volume purely through line. any advice?

>>3057259
You misunderstand drawing, anon. Drawing references are done out of necessity. Memory is fallible and imperfect. You won't have a clear idea of what something looks like until you've studied it closely. To study it you need references. Even then, it will take multiple iterations until it you memorize it.

It's a sign of lack of drawing experience on your part to assume that references are without use or that pro artists never used them. Pro artists have mileage. They have studied an object so much with ref that they can now do it from memory. You are nowhere near that stage yet, and you will never get there with wrong drawing understanding.

>>3057184
You should distract yourself from time to time. Also don't look too much at your drawing, pay more attention to the reference itself. Don't concentrate on one part of the face for too long or your brain will start to magnify it. Jump from place to place as often as you can.

>>3057278
hatching

>>3056735
Huscarl rider

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How do you go about blocking the hand into shapes when it's curled like this? I'm used to having the palm be a slightly curved plane, but when the fingers are curved that model seems to break down.

>>3057293
>no ligameme
Never gonna make it

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I literally started practicing drawing last night

I gotta pick up that right side of the brain book, and start going through it

Hopefully someday I can draw my karate bugmen

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Hi. I made this last night while smoking some pot.
Any critics or whatevs? Thanks.
Also would like to know what does this resemble to you. A friend said it looked like some kind of deity.

>>3057235
Mirror the picture if you think you can't see the mistakes anymore!
The midsection's a little too stylized for my tastes, but if sexy's your angle and you get it right, the normies won't notice.
Now that I look at it, the left arm including hand might be a little too big. Also I'm p sure that in the right arm's pose, you shouldn't be able to see that much of the wrist.
Overall, the pose seems a little stiff but dynamic/convincing posing comes with time and practice.

>>3057334
it looks like the retarded ramblings of a pothead.

next time try not telling us that you did it while smoking weed so you wouldn't use it as a crutch for an otherwise mediocre and boring abstract drawing without any real intent

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>>3057339
I just finished some of the updates, I messed around with the left boob and made the neck shorter. Messed with the nose and mouth a little too and fixed that ear for the most part. Don't know how I'm gonna go about tilting the head. Maybe just magic wand it and rotate? Also the eyes are a little big so I'm gonna deal with that as well. The open-hand wrist is a mystery to me because I couldn't find a good reference so I kinda just winged it.

And yea I'm trying to give it sexy comic book proportions so it'll sell. I live in a city where comic books are a pretty big deal so I wanna try to cash in a little.

had to crop it in MS paint cause the file is too big now

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trudging along

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Why am I so bad and how can I get better? Just starting drawing today.

>>3057373
read the sticky. It's not a meme.

Any good, trustworthy online tutoring out there? I can't go to classes near me and I need some general guidance.

>>3057376
I did and I used a circle to draw this like in a Loomis book. Maybe it would look better with shading?

>>3057377
/ic/

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>>3056671
I'm trying to do gesture drawings

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>>3057378
>Maybe it would look better with shading?

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On the left - my "construction", on the right - a freehand Mucha copy. How can I get better at this? I can draw from life pretty well atm, but constructing a figure is beyond me, no matter how much gesture drawing I do, or how much Loomis I go through. Please help.

>>3057399
*slots he throat*

BACK THE FUCK OFF?!?!

No seriously, that was my first time drawing ever

>>3057405
>like in the book

Don't do that. It's clear that you copied the book, but did not understand what it was about - the circle, the lines, all of it.

Still, you chose a wise road yo follow. That's ways ahead of most.

Go to the sticky, and download everything. Follow the /ic/ Guide. Get rid of sumbols, learn to make lines again, with clarity and certainty, and practice ALL. THE. GODDAMN. TIME.

Then come back, and see why the comments, however douchey, are here.

P.S. Shading makes everything look better. But where to shade? Studystudystudy.

>>3057363
I wish I had a pic for the boob, but you're drawing them as very solid balls. Boobs are squishy and react to gravity and muscle pull. If you have your own, see how they move when you lift your arm like that. The ear is bueno now.

I get what you meant by the face feeling off now. It's not a very appealing style imo, the mouth is very small and shows little emotion.
About the tilting of the head, I think what I was actually seeing was the wrong face proportions and overall head size. The entire lower half of the face feels too small compared to the eyes and forehead (which sticks out a fair bit more than it should). Also, the head size is def too small now seeing how you've planned out the rest. The head size is probably the most important point.

Sorry if I'm rambly or incoherent, this is a journey for me as well lel

>>3057413
the boobs are gonna be inside a fairly skin tight suit if that makes things seem any better. I'll try to redo the head in a more consistent way. I fixed the fist-arm just now too, albeit it's still kind of big. Gonna play around with the size instead of just the placement.

You were right though, the new placement for the arm looks a lot better. Made a faint layer behind the base lines and penciled where the arm should go and adjusted accordingly.

>>3057422
I gotta go to bed now but I'll try to get a redline of sorts done tomorrow or Friday

>>3057428
Okay, cool. Thanks. I'll probably finish it up the way it is just so I have something to showcase but I'll definitely take any advice. I'd rather know what I should do sooner instead of later. Take it easy.

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Some random on deviantart requested me to draw a cute anthro plane. I tried changing the body of the plane I was referencing but that didn't look right, so I just changed the face. How does it look?

I'm beginning with Loomis' "Fun With A Pencil." Would doing the exercises in the book be enough or is actually reading all the damn words in this thing the proper way to learn?

>>3057449
>being this thirsty for subs/likes

>>3057449
it looks like you hate rulers

I'm about to blow my fucking brains out. I don't know WHAT I clicked but now there are these two circles that intersect and adjusts in size on my picture and the point where they intersect is my mouse/pen and I don't know how to get rid of it. I can't use any of my tools on any layers except a vector layer but I can't use the correct tools on a vector layer. Someone PLEASE help me out, I'm scared to close out because I haven't saved in a while and because I don't want to risk it still being there when I open it back up.

I'm using Krita btw. I'm the one drawing the Rogue >>3057363

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I've done some value studies but these took me way too long imo. How do I get faster?

>>3057475
Do people get off on asking these kind of questions?

>>3057466
I don't like using rulers.

>>3057462
I'm parched for ass pats.

>>3057280
I see what you're saying. There is definitely some tunnel visioning happening especially with the disconnect between the computer screen and the paper. It's hard to see the reference as a whole. Those are good tips, I will keep them in mind for next time. Thanks!

>>3057481
What do you mean?

>>3057475
Here you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

>>3057177
/ptg/'s theory is that the admins forgot about it. CGpersia AND cgpeers registration has been closed for a v. long time and I don't think that users can give out invites either. Also, there's this weird thing where cgpersia has more content than cgpeers - like that Sai 2 beta crack.

No I don't think it's open for reg currently whether by user invites or by any official signup unfortunately. Even if you were to join a whole bunch of other trackers there are no cgpeers invites hanging around...

>>3056724
>>3056726
my favorite meme responses

>>3057503
The best part is how they are always the 1st responses. Like some fucktards who honestly sit in this thread all day drawing nothing so they can be the 1st to type blog? blog? blog?

>>3057523
blog?

>>3057378
>Maybe it would look better with shading?
Legit kek'd hard
>>3057373
But seriously, at this point you are at the bottom of the barrel, from now on you can only get better and better and since you are barely starting you will see progress almost inmediately using references, practicing fundies and reading books, but since you are new to this. reading books for the sake of getting better is kind of annoying and boring, you could draw whatever you want ONLY because you are started, once you get past this phase and want to really get better you can stick to practicing fundies, reading books and asking for critique
>>3057411
>Still, you chose a wise road yo follow. That's ways ahead of most.
He is right tho, if you want to choose this path from the really beggining you will "git gud" relatively "soon", althought it is your decision how to progress, you could ratio it like 40% stuff what you like to draw and 60% fundies, play with the ratio without burning out.

Sidenote, get used to the memes when you get to the point of asking for critique, althought those memes have a reason tho, it's just the shitposters who use them harmfully against everyone who legit wants to improve

>>3056719
came here thinking i would be the only fag complimenting you but since no one has given a critique like you asked and even though im self taught i think i got some shit. so i know this is one of ur first paintings and u just wanted to finish it already so you could stand back and say hey look at what i made. totally understandable, but what might help next time is more definition in the trees idk if ur doing this from ur head, im guessing u did but you used a reference, kudos, but just add more negative space (a few blue and white speckles on the left side where the tree goes above the mountains. also add some highlights like another anon said the the parts of the branches that are getting hit by the light the most and make the shadows toward the inside of the tree really dark. also the tree is a little lopsided so maybe take some time before starting the painting to construct all the objects and make sure they make sense. this will just help you alot when u starting to place ur colors and just make creating the painting a lot easier. i know it seems boring to do the same thing twice but after you see the improvement especially if your getting frustrated and feel like you just cant do it youll get a lot more comfortable. construction should help with the negative space issues i mentioned before. looks like you have an instinctual basic understanding and soon enough youll gain more and more understanding of what your painting and how to paint it. im excited for you! happy painting brotha

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>>3056669

This took me about 20 minutes.

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How do I learn to colour? I've been drawing for some time, still learning anatomy and figure drawing, am on vacation and plan to spend all my free time drawing and learning japanese on this vacation.

Any tips to start colouring? Thanks.

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Trying that drawabox thingie. I hope this actually turns into something great instead of just wasted time.

>>3057613
Why are you drawing boxes?

>>3057630
http://drawabox.com/lesson/1

That's what It said to do. First do lines, then dots and lines, then connect the lines. I didn't have a ballpoint pen on me so I used a pencil

>>3057598
This, i would like to learn about colors, specially colored pencils, but i don't fking understand how to blend layers, i do paint lightly, and repeat to add layers then blend with white or a lighter color but i dont get the result i expect since i am following video tutorials and stuff like this, is there a Loomis about learning colors? colored pencils to be specific

>>3057646
>pencil
NGMI

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Are ctrl paint videos the best place to start when it comes to learning how to use photoshop for drawing?

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>>3057660

>>3057646
Oh wow so you are starting from ROCK bottom, ok well as long as you feel its helping i guess. Some of these sites (just like self help books) will just try and fill themselves out to seem bigger and full of more information then they actually are.

Just make sure you know WHY you are doing something like this. I personally cant see how drawing squars helps improve drawing ability but maybe it gets explained

>>3057668
>>3057668
In my opinion; self help books don't help. /ic/ spams drawabox snd loomis so they must do something.

Apparently this helps you envision every drawing as circles and ellispes. By doing that, It makes it easier?

I'm just doing this to finally not look at a drawing I make and hate myself for it.

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>>3057613
Hey man, I did and still do drawabox exercises as warmup exercises before I draw and I'll tell you, they helped me immensely in having confidence to draw lines and curves, at least for me thats all I got from it.

Then I watched Dynamic Sketching 1 from Peter Han and its basically the same shit, my sketches turned from absolute shit to less shitty and some even somewhat decent.

You get what you invest in, if you keep doing the exercises and doing them right, you'll get better at draftsmanship, better lines, more confidence.

And if I'm not mistaken, this exercise you did 100% wrong, look at drawabox reddit, there are good examples of the exercises there.

testing

>>3057677
I tried the other parts before as well. Guess I wasted 2 hours for nothing. Better buy a ballpoint pen then -_-

>>3057688
nothing is a "waste." stop with this retard childish attitude. mileage is mileage

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>>3056668
how tf do i paint (skin). i've been trying to keep planes, saturation, value, and squinting in mind but it's just not working out. using the zorn palette in acrylic

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>>3057693
ref

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How the fuck do I render like loomis? I'm at the part in his head and hands book where he talks about rendering and I understand the basics of reducing everything to planes and blocky forms but I don't get how to render like him. He basically just gives you a little bit of info and then tells you to render like him.

>>3057689
FUCKING THIS.

If there's one thing I learned from Peter Han is that mileage is the most fucking important thing there is, there is just no substitute for hard work and putting in the hours.

>>3057673
>I'm just doing this to finally not look at a drawing I make and hate myself for it.
you should always hate yourself when you look at the drawings you make

>>3057278
watch proko learn the planes of each facial feature. you're basically symbol drawing

>>3057581

Stop posting anytime

>>3057523
>Like some fucktards who honestly sit in this thread all day drawing nothing so they can be the 1st to type blog? blog? blog?
Too real.

>>3057383
For gestures it's better to focus on where the enter of the bones are first. Try drawing the long bones just as a line and move faster. Identify big proportional shapes as well.

>>3057293
Connect the outer points and ignore small variances. Try to see it as two big shapes like a slanted triangle and another bulkier shape on bottom.

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>>3056671

>>3057613
I don't think this is right, you should be drawing planes in perspective, not flat squares. Check the exercise again. Always draw in 3D fa m

>>3056973
Shadows should be blended upwards and highlights blend downward.

>>3057696

Planes/form/light/value

Now all you have to do is trial and error. Study stuff and analyze. Start with simple objects.

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>>3057740
no more timewasting

>>3057613
>wastes his time
>"I hope I don't waste my time"

You will have to learn to read first, you didn't do the exercise quite right, you need to draw more variations and put the corners of the squares in different positions to create perspective.
Also, ditch the lined paper and draw bigger.

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I tried to draw bob ross from imagination

>>3057773
That looks nice anon.

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someone suggested I try construction. I don't think I understand it well enough, even after watching Proko's videos :S

>>3057803
yeah mang, keep at it

I read the sticky and it says to read loomis and gives a link to all the PDFs, but is there an order I should go through them in? Any I should skip? What should I study first?

Hey guys, is a comic a decent idea for practice? I don't intend on posting or getting recognition for it but I figured drawing the same characters over and over again in different poses and sizes would be alright for practice and it'd be fun. What do you think? Should I stick to something more traditional or should this method work?

>>3057829
Totally go for it bro!

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Are my construction lines off?

>>3057846
construction doesn't mean shit when you're still symbol drawing. go read the sticky and keys to drawing and pick an easier subject matter to do studies and really understand the important of measurement and taking your time when you draw - pay attention to angles and their relationships to other aspects in your image and be conscious of making strokes that count

>>3057850
I've read through the sticky and keys to drawing a few times already, the lessons and information just doesn't stick with me. I guess I'm just too stupid to learn how to draw, sorry for trying.

>>3057863
that's what art is. putting actual effort in and failing and analyzing hard until it clicks for you.

but if you bite the dust this early then you probably weren't going to make it far anyway. take up knitting

>>3057867
why can't I just flail my arms at a canvas and make great looking art? art should be easy and fun for everyone

>>3057870
it's been fun for me so far. learning and realizing my mistakes and making better paintings every week is a rewarding experience to me. why can't it be for you?

>>3057872
Because I get frustrated by my own stupidity. Trying to draw and paint makes me so mad. But my life is a waste, I'm a fucking janitor now, so I might as well keep trying like a retard

>>3057874
You probably just have high expectations. You do understand that art is a lifelong journey right? Disregarding all the corny shit. The first step is one of many. Why did you want to start drawing in the first place?

>>3057721
i lurk mostly but im not gonna act like all you guys do to blend in to make myself feel better because i suck at art, cuz i dont. so idk that nigga needed to learn you cant just fucking slap a tree on the canvas like he filling in a coloring book. fuck you

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any mushroomTips

>>3057846
>>3057850
Yeah man construction lines are ok your eyes and nose and mouth are in the right spot still looks awful though, the ear is too far back . Takes time and practice etc

>>3057598
>>3057598
K. Michael Russel's course. It deals with PS coloring, but has solid foundation and is generally great. There was a torrent around, though you wouldn't regret the money spent.

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critique

>>3057595
Too long. Anyone will tell you thay here.

The view is inconsistent - it looks like a front view turned to 3/4 solely by the ear placement, because you went for straight horizontal line.
After the "cut" part of head's ball it should curve, leaving a better guideline for ear foreshortening and additional skull mass on the back.

Great features, though, especially the nose, the lips are still symboly, but not bad.

Better perspective, more consistent shading, and for God's sake unbreak this man's neck, but you're good.

>>3057581
thanks for the advice anon, means a lot

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just picked up art 1 month ago.
still need to put clouds for complete composition.

>>3057926

Nice going my man

I think the lines of the mountains in the back could've been a little bit lighter to emulate atmospheric perspective, but it's not a big issue

I have a Wacom Intuos4 Medium from a few years ago when it was the most recommended tablet.

Is it still considered the best?

>>3057166
I'm a beginner and I'm going off what I've read repeatedly -- isn't it best to learn how to draw well realistically, then go into stylised art? When you can draw realistically, you can bend realism to create cartoons. Then it will truly be your style.

If you draw cartoons first, you're both reinforcing bad habits, learning no proper anatomy, and copying other people's style rather than developing your own.

>>3057911
torso seems very compressed, yet I don't see stretch/compression lines, also push the pose.

search for vilppu, theres a torrent on tpb.

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>>3057961
I'm not that anon but I'm learning everything together, I do classical studies and at the end of the day I draw a cute waifu just to relax.

Anatomy is anatomy, be it on a 2d waifu or on an old and used up 3dpd.

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Is this a good study schedule to follow? I'm currently doing drawabox but i'm trying to find the best possible way to maximise use of the time i have

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/ic/ what do you think? Took me 5 minutes to draw. I've been drawing for 3 years with inconsistent long pauses in practice. Heck I just started drawing after a week of no inspiration. I can't draw jack shit since I can't get worthwhile inspiration at all. All in all I have no pieces of artwork that has a single subject. All of it goes to drawing practice which I have no intention of keeping. I'd rather burn the abominations. I don't know what I lack.

>>3057055
i tried blind clicking thinking it was your picture that was highlighted, nice troll

>>3057846
leave /beg/

>>3057976
It's ok I guess. I personally follow a more traditional one.

>>3057876
I want to start drawing because I want to capture beautiful scenes and people, and express myself, and make art that can give people pause, make them laugh or think or feel something.

>>3057997
I'm sorry. I'll go through keys to drawing again before I try posting more.

>>3058006
like what?

So I need to learn to draw as all the doors I want to open are opened by it and sometimes I love it. But 90% of the time I find it boring as fuck

When I practised a game 12 hours a day I hated it after like 2 for like 2 weeks but eventually I grew to really really like it and find it easy enough to get into daily. Will art be that way or have you gradually grown into it in the same manner?

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Holy shit, I read that fucking infograph a bunch of times but I'm STILL FUCKING SYMBOL DRAWING FUCK

I can't do this shit

>>3058054
Trace the photo and see where you are going wrong.

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>>3058055
It's all skewed to hell, neck somehow got moved over, jawline/hairline are off, nose too small, and most importantly everything is fucking symbols instead of actual features arhgggh

>>3058061
Now you can either redraw it after carefully figuring out what you should fix or you can move onto another drawing. After a few months the improvements are obvious.

>>3058055
dont listen to this guy. you wont learn anything. tracing can only be used if you already know how to draw.

>>3058061
try to look at roman/greek statues and try to understand the form of the features of the face. Instead of drawing a outline all the way around the features, you need to outline only the important spaces/the shadows, and leave out the lightened/small plane changes.

>>3058054
it's good that you've acknowledged your current hurdle is symbol drawing. your next drawing you should focus on where the values are.
the bottum lip should not have that outline, if you turn everything into grayscale, you'll find that the bottum lip and the skin below blend almost seamlessly: it has the same value, so you should NOT be making that harsh a line. in fact, no line would be better. instead, a line should be placed between the corners of the lips with varying weight in between as they meet. the line of the top lip is a faint gradient instead of a harsh line like you've done.

try again but focus on where you actually see light and dark rather than what you symbolically know is there.

What would be the art equivalent of musical scales?

Can someone please post the "stop symbol drawing, idiot" infograph?

Sai1 or 2.

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>>3058092
You mean this shit?

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>>3058054
Aaand I tried again but did worse somehow. Fuck me :(

>>3058127
No, it's actually better.

>>3058127
It's definitely better

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>>3058122
my art teacher forced us to start with fucking water colors.

I cant think of anything harder than watercolors and yet he made us start with that.

>>3057278
learn shading and minor details.

Just got myself a tablet.
Drawing on it feels really weird.
I guess this will take some time to get used to.

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It's a sketch but...some advice to improve it?

>>3058230
>>3058230
I would change the perspective, its kinda boring from that angle.
but looks pretty good

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>>3058280

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First time trying from imagination since a long time ago.

How bad is it /beg/?

>>3058230
both zombie things doing the exact same pose is unappealing, they should vary

>>3058293
Fucking horrible. Read the sticky, if you already have then read it again. Literally the first thing it talks about is symbol drawing.

>>3058295
I know what symbol drawing is, I should draw what I see instead of what I think I see. Problem is that I'm used to digital art where you can do a quick rough sketch underneath and then block in the shapes. I just really don't get how I'm supposed to do that since the sketch I usually do underneath will always be visible in the end drawing

>>3057142
Bump

>>3058301
Do you have autism?
It's called drawing light and then erasing, if you want to be really fancy you can go over it with a pen (which I don't recommend because it somehow looks 10x worse when I go over anything with a pen)

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Somebody critique me please

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trying to draw from reference but I just can't do it.

>>3058307
I don't have autism, no

I realise this is 4chan and your anonimity makes you more prone to insulting, but do you really have to be rude when someone's just looking for help?

>Inb4 "That wasn't even that bad of an insult, grow up anon"
How about you grow up instead and become a decent human being?

>>3058319
>can't even take an insult in 4chan
>being this fucking sassy when you're the one asking for help
How about you ask reddit instead? That sounds like a better idea.

>>3058319
Jesus fucking christ quit being such a little bitch ass nigger plus I told you what to do didn't I?
Now how about this, stop being a little faggot, stop pretending like you're somehow superior to a random cunt on a vietnamese cooking imageboard, grow some thicker skin and go back to drawing or just go back to tumblr I honestly do not give a fuck.

>>3058318
What do you mean? it looks decent
Maybe you're just not used to leaving your comfort zone

>>3058319
if you took him seriously on a website like this, you deserve to be triggered lmao

did you ask your parent's permission before using the computer first

>>3058295
>>3058307
>>3058323
Why are you so angry anon? Yelling at beginners make you feel better?

>>3058319
You should grow a thicker skin. I'm >>3058295
every other poster was somebody else. We aren't being mean, when somebody posts symbol drawing (every day) and asks for """help""" it gets obnoxious because the sticky addresses all this stuff.

I feel like a broken record saying this, you need thick skin if you're going to have any form of art as a hobby. If you can't handle typical 4chan banter such as faggot, and other curse words, you're never gonna make it.

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>>3058335
?

>>3058318
post construction layers? looks decent to me

>>3058340
This is /beg/ though. Maybe the anon is still working through symbol drawing. These kinds of issues should be expected from people who post here.

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>mfw getting into drawing again after not doing shit for over a decade

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does anyone have that image of how to draw with your eyes and not with you brain?

>>3058344
here u go.

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Are there parts of the anatomy im getting wrong? like maybe there is a bone missing or its not suppose to be, or a muscle is in the wrong place.
Also can you please check my tumblr and see if theres things I can improve? like maybe im drawing something as the wrong shape. 99% of my drawings are from imagination/construction without a reference, but I use reference when I review anatomy on the odd occasion.

>>3058122
>>3058359
This one?

>>3057066
those re some stiff ass poses, you need vilppu

>>3058359
what kind of brush and size do you use?

>>3057259
nigga even KJG uses references, what makes you think a faggot like you can draw without references?

>>3058372
Overall proportions are wrong, head is too big. Upper body is mostly ok, although there is not much to discuss, since she is wearing a literal parachute. There is only neck and collarbones (you fucked them up by the way). In lower part of the body pelvis region is all wrapped and misshapen. Also there shouldn't be any shadows on the left (to us) leg. Those are the things I noticed right off the bat. There is probably more.

>>3056671
jesus, the dick

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>>3058418
can you show me how you would do the neck and collar bone? I dont understand what to change on that part. I also don't understand what you mean by the pelvis being misshapen. I did an outline to show what its like under the clothes. I also don't know what you mean by the head being too big as I used 4 heads to measure from head to crotch.
Can you do a quick draw to show what you would change to improve it?

>>3058054
Why are you trying portraiture, then? The human face is one of the most complex things out there for a beginner to draw. Why not set up a composition of fruits and do that instead?

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Going to make my way through drawing the faces of the WWE roster, doing 3 drawings for each person.

heres 3 Balors and 1 Rollins

the first 2 drawings are abysmal. The second one is probably the worst thing ive drawn in a while, he looks like a fat neckbeard lmao. started drawing bigger with the 3rd one. the last Balor one is one im somewhat happy with. its probably the best drawing ive ever done. it still doesnt look at all like the photo though

Where do you get your references?

>>3058359
Your construction should use 3d forms to establish planes and perspective. Can be complex like hampton tier or simple as boxes

>>3058483
Looks nice but every line should have a purpose. The flat line across her chest, I imagine, is to represent the fold from her breasts, but you just drew a straight line which doesn't make much sense

>>3058464
Construction is good, you're gonna make it, but learn construction of facial features to add to your loomis arsenal. I suggest proko

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Tried drawing with only a pen today, no eraser.

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I was tired and drew this last night. I made the pupils smaller to make it kinda off putting. Did I do well? What should I improve on?

>>3058230
how would the zombie be back in the ground if he just ripped her shirt off and shes running?

>>3058548
Looking good anon.

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if I am interested to draw this kind of style (on the left), how should I go about it?

I have 0 drawing skill and will be starting from literal scratch.

would learning to draw stick figures by tracing human model (on the right) the way to go or find similar artsyle and trace those instead?

might be the summer boredom speaking but I actually do want to be able to draw those kind of arts in the near future.

[spoiler]i also bought a huion h420 for this so I can't really back out anymore [/spoiler]

>>3058588
did you ever think to check the sticky

>>3058588
read the sticky. read keys to drawing. be focused on your goal and never slack on doing studies because that is where you learn.

use a pencil and paper for the first year or so or else you'll get frustrated and give up drawing. people in this thread (as well as my friends) who have had no experience drawing and started with a tablet gave up about two months in because digital drawing for a beginner is the one of the harshest things in the art world.

or you can disregard my information and see for yourself

>>3058602

i did, but i want to get into more manga / anime style and the sticky talks about real human anatomy style which may or may not be what I want.

they also talk about perspective and environment drawings.

the symbol drawing examples are all realism style drawing which i'm not sure if it is what I need to master before moving into anime style

[spoiler]they want me to draw cubes and circles with different angles LOL[/spoiler]

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I just started digital art. Is it any good? What should I work on?

>>3058633
Take a closer look at her lips

>>3058642
Also I think you made her nose a bit too short

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>>3058633

Good enough for painting. You can fix the slightly off proportions during painting and render the lips properly.

>>3058636

Do some form practice.
Pic related.

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Can someone help me figure out what I am doing wrong? A couple months ago I felt like I could feel form (black and white gestures) but now I feel like I am completely lost and my figures don't communicate as well.


I can't tell what I am doing wrong, please help!

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I finally went ahead and bought DotRSotB. His arm's too big and his hands are fucked but I think it looks okay

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>>3058612
>i want to get into more manga / anime style and the sticky talks about real human anatomy style which may or may not be what I want.
You need to learn proper anatomy and how to draw realistically first, so you can bend that to create your own style. If you don't, everything you do will be a copy of someone else's drawing.

>>3058607
>people in this thread (as well as my friends) who have had no experience drawing and started with a tablet gave up about two months in because digital drawing for a beginner is the one of the harshest things in the art world.
so true
i wish I didn't buy a tablet years ago about 2 months into drawing, because then i wouldn't have given up

>>3057595
There is a lot to say about this, but the lips stood out to me as something you probably can fix the easiest: Don't connect the line of the bottom lip right to the corners, indicate the lower lip and leave it there. The outline of the upper lip is overstated. Keep in mind that the upper lip is just value, so you you can try being super light with the outline of the upper lip or just shade the whole upper lip in very lightly. Pay attention to the shadow shape where both lip meet in the middle. Keep measuring and don't be afraid to spend too much time for a simple drawing.

>>3056668
Can someone please post the photograph that is in the middle? Thanks.

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>>3060413
nvm found it