/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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>>3050700

My lines suck and I feel like I'll never improve until they stop sucking. Is drawabox a good solution? Also Peter Han's Dynamic Sketching?

>>3050686
I was asking advice on drawing and provided context for my situation. That's not really blogposting.

>>3050721
What do you think? What have you heard about them?

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I am so sorry I didn't study any figures at this angle before I tried this. Looking for a bit of guidance on where exactly I went wrong with the perspective. And yeah I know, I kind of busted out of the grid I set up because I couldn't finish off the legs in the space that was there

>>3050769
You didn't crap up the perspective as much as the figure. Build it out of boxes first so you see what goes where and how (before you gain an intuition for it), and fix those fucking lines, disgusting

why the fuck do i need reinstall my wacom drivers once a weekish to use my wireless adapter for my pen and touch small? this is getting annoying

>>3050769
Everything below her rib cage seems to be a little stretched out.

>>3050769
its pretty good, but (her) right leg isnt the correct angle

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Pls Help me

>>3050822
start over, don't get attached to your art

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how do i fix this fucking nose? im so lost

>>3050832
do more studies; planes of the face proko vids idgaf

>>3050859
P-post ref? I am getting a concern boner

>>3050864
ref of? this was imagination

>>3050700
What is it with the retarded cross eye tongue out meme anyway? Is it supposed to be cute?

>>3050920
google "Ahegao"

What's the difference between drawing from a picture and drawing from real life

>>3050943
One is drawing from a picture, other is drawing from real life.

Or do you mean the psychological "artgains" difference? Some people say that drawing from life is more benefical since you can see the object in a true 3D environment (different angles etc.) but it doesn't matter if you have a decent grasp of visualizing 3D objects in your mind.

>>3050943
Drawing from real life: It is easier to understand perspective and form, and you don't see too many details so you are forced to draw values more. You also know where the light sources are and can control them.

Drawing from photos is only better for things that you can't find in real life, like exotic animals or insects, or very weird poses that a model can't hold for too long, and in general is more convenient because you don't have to move your ass from the chair.

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>>3050705

>>3051022
Also, in real life you don't have a limited value range like in photos. Our eyes are the best cameras there are, so in real life you can see shades of value that gets lost in a camera or through editing.

>>3050943
A picture is 2D, reality is 3D, which you need to bring down to 2D so it fits on your 2D paper. With a picture you can much easier see how long something is, the ratios, the angles compared to another thing in the picture or the borders. In 3D you need to be able to measure that yourself.

>>3051025
>so it fits on your 2D paper
You mean you guys aren't drawing on 4D hyper paper?

>>3051028
well someone here /could/ be drawing in tilt brush

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Hmmmm.

someone post a portrait ref to draw
I don't like the on in this one

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>>3051055

>>3051057
ty I'll draw that

>>3050769
Could be worse, but it looks like her legs are sort of out and away from the grid, a bit.

we /notits/?

>>3051064
>we /notits/?
Flat is Justice.

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Is posting still broken?

>>3051068
It looks like he's casually tossing the ak47 into the air like a baseball. Also his head looks kinda small.

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>>3050832
Did a quick shitty red line and paint over. I just think having 3 clear planes would go a long way to making that a recognizable shape.

>>3051059
That's a shitty ref tbqchwy

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Thanks loomis, now, still a far way to go

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>>3051086
That's why it looked like Eren's step mom everytime I drew it, I thought it was because of my beginner drawing skills.
This is me btw >>3048665
I'll find something else to draw.

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I got some neon felt tip pens. Shit looks amazing under blacklight. My white gel pen also surprisingly turns black under blacklight.

>>3051077
I know what you mean, thanks.

Anatomy ok otherwise?

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copying is a good form to progress in the drawing, right? (Since I feel I'm better copying than drawing and this annoyed me a bit)

Should I be working on face construction side by side with training my eye? Right now I'm challenging myself to do 1000 sight size portraits before doing anything else, but is that a bad idea?

>>3051130
Yeah, copy is a must-learn skill for beginer, but you have to learn the style, how they do it, ana,.... instead of just copying works, or you will never be better

>>3051139
If i were you, i will learn construction first

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damn this is cool. too bad my skills aren't honed enough to use this shit adeptly. whatever, i'm feeling pretty inspired and hope this will make the learning process more fun.

I just can't fucking wrap my head around digital painting.
I need a guide especifically made for retards.

>>3051169
>fun
not allowed

>>3051170
same desu senpai

>>3051170
If it is about getting used to the pen then just paint a lot and it will come.

If it is about the painting itself, then just watch some beginner oil painting videos. The process is the same, aside from color mixing, just in digital form. I reccomend Draw Mix Paint which is quite good for covering the basics.

>>3051171
why?? I'm excited to grind through some exercises now

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drawn without ref

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>>3051185
sorry, forgot to resize

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>>3047988
How do I go about rendering it? I see too many shades of different tones, and how do I draw that hair with pencil?

Also the right eye(not iris though) isn't too big, it's just the light on lower side that meshes it together(see the reference)

>>3051190
you can try using just three tones: white, grey, and black.

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is it correct?

>>3050832
is that Jeff Kaplan?

>>3051229
pretty much. try to focus on the distribution of weight, it really helps drawing these

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anyone here do drawabox?

>>3051258
i do, 3 first lessons

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>>3051228
Well I went ahead and did it already, I'll try three tones tomorrow, I think it'll help with the object drawing better.

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>>3051261
I don't like the line confidence exercises. I feel like I'm wasting my expensive pens

>>3051276
thats why i use paper and pencil

>>3051262
that pencil can really only accomplish three tones anyways.

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>>3050769
Okay time to give up and move on. Any kind souls willing to redline and tell me just how braindead I am? I can't FEEL the FORM

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Please critique me! I want to get better

>>3051332
it's really good.

>>3051229
Other than that her rib cage is way outside her body?

>>3051342
its my second day with tablet, on paper i would draw a lot better and didn't notice this xD

>>3050920
read some hentai new friend

>>3051332
don't use straight up black when you are starting to get into shading or tonal differences, it usually makes the shadows look like dirt
Try adding brown as a start to your original shade.

>>3051332

>I want to get better

Sticky

>>3051332
Not good
That face lacks alot of features, The eyes are in a bad perspective.
You shaded the nose wrong, ears too high
Squished face no jaw, bad perspective on the shoulders

>>3051294

I think you stretch the torso too much. Unless you want to get that warp effect from some camera lens.

The best way to know if it's accurate is to snap a photo of someone doing the same pose and try to get the right angle.

But, I think this is good enough for the normies. For a stylize work, if it looks passable you can get away with murder.

>>3051116
Nice, you have a good understanding of form.

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>>3051258
I'm trying but I've still a ways to go. I've definitely seen an improvement since I started though.

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>>3050705

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>>3051258
>>3051276

Use cheaper pens then

I started a few days ago, or maybe a week? Been trying to make neater and straighter lines so I'm still repeating the first couple of lessons until I feel comfortable with that

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>>3051130
Thanks for asking the question I was wondering about. I can't draw from the head myself but I think that's because I still don't know anatomy and lines are only now starting to appear where I want them to be. After modeling in 3D a high-resolution leg where I had to study the anatomy, I noticed that leg shapes now come naturally when practicing pose drawing.
Just keep going and make sure to go out of your comfort zone as much as possible. We're gonna make it.

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>>3051229
not really, youre not exactly drawing the gesture. it's very stiff. shes standing contrapposto

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My girlfriend's work. Note that this was taken with a phone camera, and that the shading is overall closer to black than it seems and that there's a sort of yellowish film for some reason.
She insists that she is hopeless, but i argue that she is doing okay. Please discuss paths to improvement.

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>>3051411
Not good enough to critique but just wanted to say beautiful work anon. How long have you been at it, if you don't mind my asking?

>>3051450
tits or gtfo?

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>>3050832

Quick paint over.

I'm just guessing. But you get the point. Carve the form according to the light source.

>>3051455
on a different board, i would, but that's off-topic here

disregarding that i'm not claiming to be a woman, and i don't think that the tits or gtfo rule operates by proxy

>>3051450
shes right. and she'll nevr get better until she tries.

Some of you guys give the worst fucking advice.
If you aren't sure of what you're saying just refrain from giving [bad] advice to beginners.

>>3051491

The only advice you need.

>sticky

>>3051491
>no useful advice being given in the containment thread

what else is new

>>3051500

>ngmi

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This is my first attempt at a digital painting, and I'm aware of the right eye being wonky, I tried for like 40 minutes to get it to look right, any other critiques or advice?

Start over and do it better.

So... How do i proceed about learning how to use Photoshop for my drawings? i barely know a thing about it, i dont even know where to begin. It would be good to learn how to play with lights and shadows, sharpen drawings if i need to, retouch colors and all that good stuff, is there a guide or something for dummies? I am already watching youtube tutorials but i would like to know if there is an equivalent of Proko tutorials for Photoshop

>>3051576
ctrl paint

>>3051560
eyes should be pointing in the same direction, or closer to eachother. imagine they're shooting laser beams. The beams should either be parallel or cross.

>>3051488
thanks for the constructive and helpful advice, pal.
sure glad that i can tell her "do it again, but right this time" and that will improve things.

hey guys, what should I draw to post here? I'm a beginner and I need practice.

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>>3051584

>>3051585
anything

>>3051586
Why did you slack out on his torso?
Its got a form too, you know.

>>3051585
draw some refs and study fundamentals

>>3051589
because im really tired and draw on tablet for 3 days now, i need time to get used to

>>3051590
refs? wjat's that? like a character ref?

>>3051594
yes, for example
>>3051586
>>3050702
>>3050701
>>3050703
>>3050709

http://reference.sketchdaily.net/en/

i use this site to generate ref for myself

>>3051596
ok

>>3051597
but before you do, study some fundamentals to understand how does it even work, i recommend you Michael Hampton - figure drawing design and invention book, its really good

>>3051560

Study portraits, face plane and value.

>>3051593
Well, if you want some decent input at least upload a drawing which is more representative of your actual capabilities.
I think the size of every part of the body with respect on each other it's decent, and the posture is all right, if that's what you wanted.
The forms aren't that good. Specially the torso and the rib cage. But also the legs. They don't work like that: the hips make no sense and those thighs are extremely weird.
Try reading more on figure drawing.

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>>3051604

>>3051602
as i said, short time with tablet, on paper im quite better

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I want to draw in Little witch academia style :(

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going back the to basics and drawing from life and practicing perspective stuff. ill probably fill up my sketch book practicing these figures from different angles and such. critique?

>>3051294
>>3050769
Yo can you tell me how you build up that grid? Like, the squares on top close to us need to be bigger and they get smaller as you get away.. I get that, but how do you measure it? How do you know where to divide them? The lines used to create them don't seem to be vanishing towards a point.. I swear I got to this point on the Loomis book and the moron just kept showing these grids and never explained how to make them and I ragequit his book.

>>3051450
You can't force inspiration into her. I like that drawing and with full practice on exercises and studies daily she would belong in the /draw/ thread in no-time. But if she thinks she's hopeless and she's NGMI then she is just NGMI. A lot of us here are busting our asses.. I personally can't afford to stop and think if I'm ever gonna "git gud" or not, if I stop and wonder I'll fall behind. I just practice practice practice, she should do the same. No one is putting a gun to her head, there's no point in sweating about being good or not.

>>3051609
learn to take criticism, faggot, or don't post

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My progress a month ago

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>>3051680
If you cross the corners of a box they'll meet in the halfway point. Then you just do that a few more times to divide the box into 8 sections, and from there you have your reference points for proportions in perspective.

Unfortunately I don't understand form and can't foreshorten properly

>>3051715
i don't get it. how am i supposed to know the chronology of those drawings?

Can I learn anatomy without drawing men and women? I only want to draw cute girls.

>>3051451
It's been an on/off hobby for many years, it's hard to say

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is this cute?

>>3051759
little witch academia... yes, if executed better. her arms are too short though

all of my pens go dry after i use them for a few days
am i doing something wrong?
I cap them after using them

realistically speaking, how long would it take me to get good at drawing anime/manga if I start today from scratch ? I just want to draw some characters for my JRPG clone.I can practice 2 hours a day, do I need to study loomis ?
Again, I don't care about "art", or how deep and detailed it is, I just want to draw manga style characters good enough to pass in a JRPG

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I'm practicing faces from imagination + pencil rendering.

>>3051812
2 yr

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>tfw practicing drawing straight lines for 2 weeks straight and still cant do it

>>3051812
Seven years and three to four months.

>>3051812
25 or 6 to 4

>>3051823
The Bean: are these exaggerated, if so how much? They seem to work as caricatures which is good practice, but remember that the head is approx. 5 eyes wide as a basic rule of thumb. Deviance from this rule in the top-right head makes it look as if the left eye is asymmetric and deformed.

I like the stripe that goes through them and the graphic shapes, though. You clearly've developed a knack for designing shapes
I think you've become corrupted by observing JerryBreem/Finlay's submissions too much

>>3051867
I'm on 3 weeks of 3 hours of elipses a night. I do think I'm getting a little better, though

>>3051812
You don't need to study loomis per se, but you don't to acquire your fundamentals. Obviously, you can learn fundamentals from other resources like krenz, hampton, bridgeman, etc.

2 hours a day is an OK amount. That's about 700 hours a year. I imagine getting good would take anywhere from 2-5,000 hours. 10k if you're trying to become the cream of the crop. It also depends what you do with those 2 hours and your level of talent. Realistically, it would take you about 4 years unless you're talented.

>>3051688
WTF, i take this criticism and I see what I must correct, stop being douchebag

>>3051604
Very good but it needs polish.

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Beginners are supposed to focus on drawing well realistically, right? No one debates that. You're supposed to git gud before stylizing.

But you're also told to study pieces from artists that inspire you. What if an artist that inspires me draws stylized. Will it be productive at all to copy it?

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>>3050701

>>3050859
Do you ever do finished pieces?

>>3051393
>>3051379
Thanks, I'll be starting a new one soon

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what should i improve?

>>3051399
cool thanks, I've been practicing these a lot since anon said they looked flat

>>3052004
Good question, waiting for an answer

i have like 10 pages of thick bristol paper, if im just going to do studies instead of finished works can i use both sides?

>>3051583
Are you legit fucking retarded? nothing is good.
Alright here is what she must work on:
Anatomy, perspective, values, construction. And that's for that 1 piece alone. She doesn't even attempt to git gud, if she did she'd know she has to study the FUNDAMENALS. Go read the sticky and gtfo

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>>3051258
Yep, nearly done with lesson 1. The author has really impressive progress himself
https://m.imgur.com/gallery/EmdtF

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First time ever drawing, just drew this in 5 minutes for fun. My question is , is drawabox good ? I am a wagecuck working irregular hours and don't have the time or energy to invest, however, I do want to get good. I know loomis is one of the many things I need to study,but how do I do it ? Is around 20-30 minutes a day good enough to get good at this ?
I know I am being unreasonable, but I do not want to be an artist, just want to get good at drawing whatever comes to my mind . It all seems too much , does a casual needs to study that much.
Damn I wish I had time, to be young again.

>>3052107
I would use cheaper paper for studies

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Drode a cat. Lots of improvements I'd like to make but I couldn't even finish it though because Clip Studio kept making my pen disappear when I moved it over the canvas. Really weird honestly, all the other tools worked fine.

Taking it as a sign I should go outside.

>>3051171
I thought you were joking. The drawabox guy said I shouldn't embellish, since people who do don't make as good gainz :(

>>3051988
he literally told you to post something that shows your actual skill, and you again go defend yourself how you suck with a tablet

>>3052157
How can you get the pelvis box so wrong?

>>3052127
not this guy but
>he literally told you to post something
where?

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Does this organic form look flat? I feel like I fucked up somehow but not sure how

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>Michael Hampton keeps switching back and forth between using circles and boxes in his Figure drawing book

WHICH IS IT YOU CHUNCH

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I don't know if I'll ever feel it like vilppu but I'm going to keep trying. These are from imagination

>>3052187
it looks like a maxi pad

>>3052198
It's both. No rules, just tools. Use whichever is more appropriate for the job.

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>>3050702

>>3052004
I don't understand these questions; you can do both. If you want to draw in a stylized way you can learn both the fundamentals and the stylization at the same time. That's what I did when I was an art major (spoiler alert: colossal waste of fucking money, don't do it) I focused on the fundies in class and for projects, but half my sketchbook was fun shit from artists I liked. The more fundies I got under my belt the better my stylized works looked and the better my stylization got the more aesthetically pleasing my art projects became. The fundies teach you how to construct the skeleton of a piece and the fun stylization teaches you how to present it in an interesting way.

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I am at a loss, I don't know how to develop this further without ruining it. The base of the hair is a muddy saturated color which I like since I am going for a war torn look, but I'm not sure how to deepen it or what colors I should use for the shadows.

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I tried drawing a realistic face from imagination. It sucks, sorry.

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something im working on please critique

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I'm creating a study for a painting in photoshop. Its not exactly 'high art', but I'm mostly just looking for a cheap way to add in colour to my living room and night skylines do just that.

I know /ic/ isn't always a fan of abstract work but I need help balancing its composition and maybe changing the colour palette a bit.

Thank you for any crits, even a 'go kill yourself'.

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Is this /beg/ worthy? Gimme tips, am i doing anything wrong

>>3052316
it keeps fucking rotating itself. Not my fault.

>>3052314
The eyes, and surrounding eye areas, seem just a bit flat. And the curvature of his forehead seems to flatten on the right (would be his left side). Also the glow/reflection from the far sides of his face next to the ear seems to carry into the ear, particularly around the lobes, maybe just trim that down a bit.

I like the colouring on the lower half of his face, but if you were going for pure realism, it's a bit too much contrast between midface and chin area, even if he had stubble, and the bubblegum lower lip makes it just a bit too much.

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>>3050700
I'm new to digital art, any tips?

>>3051891
I don't really look at jerry and finlay's submissions that often aside from the thumbnail. What makes my work look similar to there's? The similarities are probably due to something else.

It's like im getting worse and worse as the days go on.
I was drawing decent circles, lines, boxes etc, but recently everything things getting worse

>>3052350
Ups and downs are totally normal in art, don't worry about it too much. Maybe try drawing some other stuff in the meantime to give that part of your brain a break.

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Tried studying a Leyendecker. Would welcome any tips. The hair is the hardest part.

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>>3050702

how do you break down the body in to 3D simple shapes

>>3052480
start with the torso, draw a box for ribcage and pelvis, draw it twisting about, draw it from reference, then add cylinders for limbs.

>>3052450
Your measurements are off, her nose and lips make her look ugly.

>>3052450

The head is tilted but the face you draw is not. This is the reason you need to study head construction and or photo ref.

How to improve this? To make it more realistic? To make it more Rapoza?

I seem to plateau at this shitty autistic level of mehness City. I don't know how to get over this hump like where to paint next? What to paint next?

The backlike is just a place holder

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>>3052556
>make

>>3051091
What loomis book teaches you how to draw manga?

>>3051645
You just want to draw porn, admit it!

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reminder that you will never be this good

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>>3052561

Dave Rapoza schedule

>>3052302
i think it looks pretty good desu, nice job! (her) right eye is kind of off though

>>3052600
Thanks anon I've seen that floating around, doesn't particularly solve my ongoing problem that buyyn

Why are circles so hard to draw all of a sudden! Goddamnit.

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Ignore the random lines on the right and left.
So I can tell that the proportions of the arm and head are off but I'm not sure exactly what I need to do. What specifically should ai change to fix it?

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>>3052681
The ball of th shoulder is too small and too far back. Try moving it towards the chest

>>3052157
The pelvis is almost level, it's definitely not tilted that way. The centerline for the ribcage should be a little bit more towards the right. Everything else seems ok

>>3052681
hand is tiny

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>>3052711
Moved the arm. Is it better?
>>3052716
Yeah I can't draw hands for shit

>>3052723
Yeah, now the chest is a bit small I'd suggest not focusing on the arm for this one just render the head and shoulder.

But keep the lesson in mind because you constructed poorly everything needs fixing and it over shadows the neat head you did pretty well.

Next time draw the shoulder a bit bigger and rememebr that your hand is practically the length of your head. Like put your hand over your face. If you're drawing a bust it could still benefit you to draw the full figure to make sure your proportions are sound.

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>>3052723
Done unless you guys see any more anatomical errors

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>>3052730
>tfw posted before I saw urs
Is this a big enough change in the chest? I can't tell if I didn't change it enough

>>3052572
this looks like he removed a chromosome

I'm having issues with my tablet and I don't know what to google to resolve them. Posted in /v/ drawthread but I figure this is the better place to be asking because I wanna get better at digital art and I'm not a certified drawfag yet.

My issue is that when I pick up my stylus from drawing a line, and then put it back in the exact same spot, the cursor on my screen moves downward and to the right, sometimes as far as 4 to 5 inches. So I skate the cursor back into place and it's alright, until I lift up the stylus again. Then it happens again. I used to be able to move the stylus up towards a corner of my monitor, then lift up when it doesn't move the cursor any farther, then reapply and go some more and continue the line. Now if I do that, the second time I put it down, it puts me in the middle of my canvas. I updated my drivers to the latest possible today so I don't think that'd be it.

I'm using Krita and my tablet is a Wacom Bamboo CTL 470 if that matters.

>>3052743
Delete and reinstall drivers.

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>>3052561

Here's a paint over. I'm nowhere close to rappoza but here's what a little bit of knowledge on form, light and ref of rabbits do.

>>3052743

Go to driver properties and look for pen/mouse mode. You might have mouse mode turned on.

>>3052747
>>3052752
did both of these, issue still persists

>>3052760
Also restarted computer

>>3052760

Do you see the tab for applications on the properties? Check the modes for each one.

If the app is on the the properties means it has its own settings.

>>3052752
>little bit of knowledge on form, light and ref of rabbits do.

It's kick tits! So you moved the light source to bottom left, made ears and eye anatomically correct and deepened the background to make the image pop more. And changed the skull to be more oblong which is basically more anitomically correct.

did I miss anything?

my trouble comes from not knowing how the light wraps around spheres and where shadows go.

>>3052763
No, no applications tab. Just General/Driver/Details. There's a list I can scroll through under details but none of them say Applications.

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Drew a guy and lost the reference. Thoughts tho?

>>3052792
Your clavicles are off, neck is too stiff and straight
nose is flat

>>3052309
Finish it

>>3052337
Pro tip, Finish it

>>3052794
Thank you, I'll fix it up

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>>3052796
explain

>>3052776

Check out this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tx-TwkMtPwc

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Redid something from a few years ago.

How do I draw cute girls? I'm tired of drawing men in wigs.

>>3052305
Jay leno

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>>3052861
you're already there man, just thinnout the eyebrows, and stop making the nose that big. amd bring up the jaw a slight bit too pronounced.

But in general your color mixing is spot on also body type seems to be off but I'm not good enough to draw better.

>>3051715
keep doing studies don't stop at 3

you're much better at painting than drawing, imo, don't let your drawing fall too far behind

>>3051716
ohhh, derp, it seems obvious now.. thanks a lot man

don't sweat about not being able to fortshorten a human body yet, it's one of the hardest things there is, isn't it? I suck at it too but working on it, this grid will help

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anyone knows a good tutorial to texture clothing?

CCwelkome

>>3052179
here: >>3051602

>>3052199
bro can u please tell me where u downloaded vilppu's figure drawing class? can't find it

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I tried another face from imagination. A little better but still trash

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>>3052861
Here's a few things. Just keep studying, it'll come along eventually.

Should I start with Hogarth's dynamic anatomy book or figure drawing book?

>>3052118
kek is that a slav

>>3052868
>>3052908
>nobody talking about that fucking broken leg
whew lads

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Day 8. Started doing poses from reference. Gonna do a shit ton of practice drawings tomorrow.

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>>3052942
Reference

>>3052942
Do you have any lower level construction you can post?

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>>3052929
Yeah. I still don't know what to follow, and if I will get good with the limited time I have

>>3052302
The brow on the left eye (her right eye) is far too distinguished and fat.
Make it skinnier so there's less of a gap between the eye and the end of her head

>>3052959
Unfortunately no. I just sketch these on a single layer. My future posts will include separate images of lower level construction.

Is there a point to going to a teacher if I'm to learn anatomy and operating with 3D forms?

Am I better off with books or will they actually help?

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/beg/ here, excuse me for asking but what is /ic/'s recommendations of the reading order of the books in the beginner's essential list?
I just finished Hampton's, but I haven't really nailed his face study

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>>3053103
Just saying I would also like to paint digitally, are there any books about the color theory /ic/ recommends or is there already a book in the beginner's list that teaches about it?

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>>3052850
>Check out this video.
anon you're my hero!

>>3051065
Flat is disgusting.

>>3052850
That's bullshit though, the difference in distance from the sun is usually way too small to have any effect. A bulding will be just as bright as the car below, unless the building is like thousands of kilometers tall, and even then its brightness wil be more affected by the lack of atmosphere compared to the car below. With other sources, like lamps and such, yeah, the distance matters. Even the moon recieves pretty much the same amount of light per square unit no matter where it is on its orbit.

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This is like my 2nd time digital painting. I used a reference and every now and then I used the eyedropper to get the feel for what color I should use. I am somewhat satisfied with capturing the general likeness, but still don't understand how to pick colours and such. I think I can remove the painterly brushstrokes by overlaying lightly?

Probably gonna start reading some color theory books and watch a couple of tutorials of people digitally painting.
>>3053106
James Gurney's Color & Light is recommended AFAIK.

It's a bummer that to get most out of drawabox, the program creator said I shouldn't embellish my exercises, or try to make them fun. Literally no fun allowed. It really kills my motivation to draw. How do I stay motivated to do exercises that bore and frustrate me?

>>3053141
end yourself degenerate

Guys this is my 2nd week learning to draw, do 2 hours a day
Should I just be doing drawing exercises from Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson(book recommended in sticky as part of step one)

Is there something like Scott Robertson's how to draw but in video form? Like, a good perspective course that goes pretty in depth?

I have noticed that I tend to learn things better through videos than through reading.

How do Mangaka's draw without reference lines or anything? Can they just pull stuff from imagination?

>>3053141
it's only until you finish the first few exercises. then it gets more fun, did you even read the introduction?

Is the sticky intended for complete beginners?
One of the first exercises from a recommended book is to do a self portrait from a mirror and it's just painfully impossible to do as a beginner, and looking at some of the authors students supposedly doing it shows them shadowing in stuff, knowing how to do perspective and whatnot
Feels like the sticky is aimed more at advanced beginners

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>>3050705
How shit is it? Im too tired to do the turban and clothes

>>3053184
The sticky itself is for complete beginners, the books may be a little more advanced, but not much. You can try drawabox.

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>>3050702

Save me from this nightmare.

Took way longer than it should.

>>3053206
Is Drawbox good for a complete novice?
I did the upside down drawing on the sticky of Picasso's Igor Stravinsky and it came out pretty well but the books seemed filled with rather advanced exercises that presume you already understand perspective and stuff it seems
Even drawing 3D objects from life seems impossible for me right now, is that supposed to be the case?

>>3053224
Yes, drawabox will help you with the very basic perspective, drawing 3d shapes and such.

Just about ready to fling myself into the sun, how do I stop chickenscratching?

>>3053139
I suggest you do some value studies in between. Paint some fruit or simple objects using only greyscale.

>>3053255
get a tablet and prepare your ctrl z.
Or if you use pencil then draw two or more connecting dots for the line, start drawing in the air until you think you get it right then draw the line in a stroke.

>>3052881
I just googled and found a torrent. piratebay I think. It should be pretty easy to find.

>>3053255
The first Drawabox lesson teaches you some methods to learn not to chicken scratch

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I'm so fucking retarded. I went outside to try to draw, but I realized I never really tried drawing plants or trees. I'm so awful at it, I don't know what I'm doing. It's like a retarded child's drawing. Goddamn, I'm so stupid, I'll never get any fucking good at all.

>>3053261
>>3053282
Thanks guys, I'll try those out!

What do you start with while drawing faces?

>>3053293
First of all, don't try and draw a fucking tree using the color palette from Miami Vice, dumb neonposter. Get some regular-ass pencils to sketch with. Second, draw bigger; get bigger paper if you need to. Third; DRAW WHAT YOU SEE. Study the FUCK out of that tree; get in there and check if the bark is smooth or gritty, if the leaves are long or fat, which branches are larger or thicker. Step the fuck back, where's your light source? Where's the shade focused? Which branches bend towards/away from you? Can you make out individual leaves from here or do they all mush together into a single tone you can draw a shape around?

Don't worry if you lines aren't exactly where you want them; there are no lines in real life to begin with and you're not trying to draw a fucking masterwork anyway. You're getting a feel for what the tree is, and how you're representing it. Take what you learned from Draw a Box - don't forget to make long, confident strokes just because you're now using a pencil. How's your perspective, do further branches LOOK further?

Draw that tree again; take a good thirty minutes to an hour. Spend at least half of that actually looking at what you're studying. And at the end of your study your drawing will probably still suck, but you will have learned something in the process

>>3053293
Why is it so blue
>>3053317
Outline/shape of the face, then eyes first, then mouth/lips, then nose,then ears, and hair, then facial hair

>>3052118
how old are you?

>>3053332
27

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how productive is drawing drunk? serious question

Are there any guides around for painting with values? Just tried it out and it's surprisingly fun

>>3053334
that isn't that fucking old. you can be good enough to impress your friends before you hit 30. that doesn't mean you'll be good enough to impress 4chan, though, but normies are easy.

>>3053293
Stop using this neon shit, it looks terrible. The guy from drawabox already told you not to do this. You can do it for fun, but on actual exercises, try pen/pencil and paper. You don't even look like you tried. The reason why this is is because you don't _know_ how to draw trees yet, you don't know how to structure them. Wait till you get to that part of the lessons.

>>3053347
I want to impress myself. I know it's not that old. I'm in my 20s for fucks sake, but I really don't have time. That's what I meant when I implied I wanted to be young again, because when I was 20 all I did was go to sleep at 4 in the mornning and wake up at 1pm, masturbate, play vidya and masturbate again. I had lots of time, now I don't. I have a little kid at home who I have to take care of, work like a maniac and squeeze some time to get some sleep.

>>3053355
have you considered getting rid of the kid? tell him you need the extra time to study fundamentals.

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>>3053337

>>3053361
Nobody cares about drawing drunk man

>>3053366
i care
that's why i'm asking

whatever i'll just wont practice and doodle for fun then
alcohol is stronger than me

>>3052890
are u trying to destroy my eyes

>>3052908
good shit

>>3053370
I mean, a lot of artists do it. As long as you're not balls off the walls shitfaced, you can still put out some good shit.

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Do throw me a bone here, /beg/. Just what am I doing wrong when I draw boxes? Bar the fact that they're pretty squashed ones.

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>>3053358
Can't do. She'll be alone. My brother's daughter.
I've decided to do one drawabox lesson per week, and then picking up loomis

>>3053388
the lines that need to be parallel aren't parallel

>>3053390
that's not even your own kid?
i mean, 4chan is a bad place for live lessons but you really need to get your shit together, man

>>3053399
She doesn't have anyone else and I don't know about other countries but in mine if some baby's parents die a family member can offer to take care of him/her instead of the law sending them to an orphanage.
And yeah I know. I'm gonna buy a bigger house by the end of 2017.It isn't as bad as it seems, but thanks for your concern

>>3053401
alright, keep up man
don't lose your way

>>3053391
Would you be able to elaborate a bit? I don't really understand what you mean by this.

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anything to correct?

>>3053417
perspective is wrong. you would see the top of the pelvis box and only the back of the torso box. This is also a weak exercise. Just try drawing the pose.

>>3053423
ok, thanks

>>3053408
Not him,but your box's lines are not parallel.Look closely at your lowest box. The visible face on the right side. The lines seem to be at some agle. A box should be made of squares/rectangles with perfectly parallel lines.

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>>3053432
Oh god, I see what you mean now. Is this any better?

>>3052004
You're not told to study pieces from artists that inspire you. You are told to study from the masters. Which is quite different

>>3053443
It is much better. There is still minute 1-2 degree difference on the rightmost line but it is not very noticeable and definitely much, much better.

>>3052942
do more gestures. Try catching the pose of the figure with 4-5 strokes max, and exaggerate

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I'm trying to improve

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>>3053451
Also did a study on neck muscles to try and understand better

>>3053388
Why don't you use perspective? You could have all the lines parallel and while they'll look correct they will also look unnatural without any convergence.

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>face not long enough/too wide
>eyes too long
>maybe also too wide and wrong spacing
>dont know how to draw hair/nose/lips

>>3053469
Sorry, please bear with me on this. Can you give me an example of putting it into perspective? In my mind I assume putting it into perspective is just pulling one vp closer, but it seems that just makes me warp the lines into them not looking parallel to each other in perspective, so i end up redrawing them almost parallel. Should I pull two vps closer? I apologize for being so crap at wrapping my mind around box drawing.

>>3053455
.... did you post this to facebook wtf

there is zero form to this, none of it feels like it has any shape. practice drawing boxes in perspective (1 point, 2 point, 3 point) to see what I mean

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First time ever drawing or colouring a locomotive digitally....how bad is my first try?

Ref pic: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/4546_PO_Mulhouse_FRA_001.JPG

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How can I coax someone into pose for my drawings for 30 minutes, fuck