/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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I'm really haveing trouble with this piece any advise?

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(I use these references for a thing I'm doing so pardon the weird file names)

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>>3040546

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>>3040548

When drawing from reference, should I try to blind draw the whole thing and then correct later? I'm still trying to figure this whole figure drawing thing out.

>>3040550
was this meant to be literal gay porn?

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>>3040556
I think it's your own fault if you get turned on, senpai.

...But I have no idea honestly.

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>>3040562

Not all dudes look the same, after all. It's important to learn not just different body types, but where weight is distributed depending on what's between your legs.

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>>3040563
Unless of course something is genetically wrong with you. This doesn't mean that you can just draw an anatomically incorrect human being, of course. Look up what sort of changes happen to said human being, the symptoms, etc... Understand why they happen and create your art from that knowledge and what you see in front of you.

At the very least, you might learn something new.

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>>3040566

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>>3037982
wip from the last thread
am i doing it right?

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>>3040556
its very good gay porn reference

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Is this kind of progress any good considering i have been grinding for 60 hours? I would say only 10 of those hours were on fundies stuff tho, i know some of the torsos are way too large but everything else should be "fine" right?

>>3040601
Maybe you can try having some fun with viewpoints. It looks like you're really just drawing symbols, which is more easy to fall into when you're looking at a figure straight on.

>>3040601
>60 hours

come back in 600

>>3040508
What kind of weird ass lighting is this?

>>3040601
Already draw better than me and I've been at it longer than you have.

>>3040618
post your work

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Is she holding the cup in a vaguely plausible way?

In before chicken scratch, I'll draw proper lines later.

>>3040627
next thread op right here

>>3040630

Hey don't bully pls ok

>>3040627
not if the cup's meant to be symmetrical. the ellipse of the brim and the base dont match. also, you can hold a cup with your thumb pointing upwards but no one does that.

>>3040627
What is your blog already?

>>3040601
Honestly none of them look right, what are you studying for fundamentals?

>>3040612
If that rule applied, 94% of /ic/ wouldn't be able to post tho
>>3040611
Yeah, i was planning on doing that after getting used to the one i am working on, also i need to keep working on getting completely rid of symbol drawing, 60 hours are not even close to doing that considering what i have read here
>>3040618
How long have u been drawing? How many hours per day?

Can I get a (You) please

>>3039388

>>3040658
>i was planning on doing that after getting used to the one i am working on
waste of time

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>>3040648
atm i am using multiple references for body proportions, this one being one of them

>>3040667
use loomis

>>3040663
What do you mean? I would love to have tips or any kind of advice about it, if it isn't too much problem for u of course

>>3040667
This is already really stylized. She's wasp-waisted, sphere-boobed, has a really weird spine curvature, and is doing the invisible heels thing. Take this with multiple grains of salt.

>>3040667
>levitating tiddies

>>3040672
because front views are shit-tier, it gives you less options to show form

>>3040627
Pick up a cup and go stand in front of a mirror, then get back to us.

>>3040554
halp pls

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>>3040690

OK I guess people don't hold their thumbs vertically, is this better?

>>3040673
Now that you mention it... i see it now, this is one of those "a noob doing something many levels above his capacity" thing i guess, thanks for the tip
>>3040677
Well, kind of true that it gives less options to show form, i will try checking other angles to practice with
>>3040671
Will do

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how do you find the will to go on? it's like a cycle of seeing progress, then spiraling back into depression where you and your art will always be shit. this stuff takes weeks or months to fully understand, but i hate myself immediately. the mental struggle feels harder than the actual drawing at this point.

>>3040694
Better, but definitely work on your anatomy, you should go stand in front of the mirror, take a full shot selfie and study that pose from your pic. also don't put arms behind people's backs, nobody does that.

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>>3040693

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>>>3040180
>>>3040191
I tried to move the mouth, nose, and eyes up to make it look better, didn't undo the hard colours for the eyes yet though. Any better?

>>3040699
what do you like to do, anon?

>>3040703
vast improvement, nice job anon

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>>3040706
thanks for the constructive crit, anon.

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>>3040699
In my case i have experienced this kind of process before, with fking LoL, went from bronze tier to Challenger tier, took me 4-5 years. Inb4 lol wasted 5 years in a shitgame, it was fun tho.
If you draw daily and practice both, fundies and fun stuff it isn't so annoying, i am still shit tier right now but compared to when i was starting i am pretty satisfied with how thing are going considering the little ammount of time i have spent
Here, have a laugh at what i used to draw in the beggining, hope it makes you feel better

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This may sound like putting the cart before the horse, but how do I improve my character designs?
I mean, I can visualize a character in my mind and assign them traits and even think of a general design, but when I try to draw it it either looks like shit (from a design standpoint) or looks very generic, is this related in any way or form to being a beginner or am I just an uncreative shit in general?

>>3040701
Okay, that helps a little. What's the point of a plumb line?

>>3040700
>also don't put arms behind people's backs, nobody does that.
People who are scared from drawing hands do that tho, i know because i used to do it but realized that it will bite me in the ass in the long run if i keep doing that kind of stuff

>>3040700

Would you put her hand just hanging down by her side?

I wish I could photograph myself in a mirror to do this but I don't have a mirror or a way to take pictures

>>3040715
keeping your figure in balance for resting poses or in inbalance for more dynamic poses.

>>3040714
learn to look at original sources for inspiration, like i dunno, maybe look up aztec warriors, then look up 1950s bikers, and merge elements from the two.

The key is to avoid the delusion that everything original is new, you need to look at real life for inspiration, and for char design i find that history is the best.

>>3040694
better, the base is still at a different angle to the brim, rotated to the right a little.

now fatten those titties and give her a chin

>>3040718
You don't have a phone with a camera or something or a bathroom mirror?
how poor are you

>>3040714
I have read that copying a lot of artists that you like helps you improve your visual memory, giving you more options from where to choose when deciding for clothes or any of that stuff i am not talking about plagiarism ofc

>>3040704
i read comics and play dumb video games

>>3040711
nah, i can relate. drawing feels similar to when i was learning fighting games. took me about 4 years, as well. i can do better than your pic, at least

>>3040728
>i read comics and play dumb video games
what productive things do you like to?

>>3040722

Ancient phone that I can't connect to my PC.

I couldn't find a specific enough reference image online, either, for someone holding a cup like that.

>>3040728
Since you read comics and play videogames you already have a source for inspiration, if you draw better than that pic (Which is not a hard task by any means) then you are not as bad as i used to be, now you just need to grind and read about it (Insert Loomis meme here)

>>3040723
How is referencing other artists not plagiarism? You're literally copying the works of other. Use your goddamn imagination.

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What am I doing that makes it so different from the ref?

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>>3040757
Ref for the uncultured.

>>3040627
It looks like she has an extra pinky

>>3040505
saul goodman?

>>3040718
Girls usually stand with their hands on their hips, if you can't take a full length selfie google something like 'girl with hand on hip' and pic a photo to reference from. Don't hide hands, it will seriously bite you in the ass later on as all your other skills improve and your hands are shit. Start drawing hands.

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n_n

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>>3040734
This one is a little different but it helps give you the general idea.

>>3040714
Broaden you scope of consumed media, often times people mimic what they see most often, and this leads to several cancerous OCs and re-skins.

But on the contrary to just shutting it out, go watch stuff that you have never heard of, inspect why a character desighn works, and when its just forcing it, case in point of forcing it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LQe5nR2CgM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l940bPkV1o

Best of luck Anon!
I'm rooting for ya!!!

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Here's something unfinished:

>>3040754
If you make the exact thing as the original and publish it as your own creation, yeah, plagiarism, what i was trying to say is that he could practice copying his favorite artists and in the process maybe a new idea could appear, or making a study about them, anything works but plagiarism

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>>3040869
>>3040869
Posted in the wrong thread.

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help

>>3040897
your spine is too curved. her hips are what's cocked, her spine is relatively straight with only a slight curvature.

>>3040897
Whatever you're attempting to do is not going to help you. Do not trace over things in an attempt to understand them.

>>3040813
Congrats, you graduated. >>drawthread
>inb4 they bully me
It's called being self conscious, projection, etc.

>>3040904
That's not tracing.

>>3040897
I don't see what you're trying to accomplish with those lines. They don't show anything.

>>3040905
sorry, but I really need to bully you for this

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>>3040912
>>3040904
its from loomis

anyone have a good tutorial pic I can use as reference when drawing heads?

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>>3037982
Study

>>3040576
Set the stabiliser up slightly, I usually use 5 or 6

>>3040937
I think your dude might have a bad case of microcephaly.

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>>3040701
m-medial malleolus?

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How does my stippling look? It's the only pen and ink shading technique I can do well.

>>3040943
looks like ants...

>>3040943
terrifying

>>3040944
muh style I suppose

>>3040932
colours look fine but the arms are wonky and the torso is scrunched up too much. Knee on the right leg is too knobbly and loos very low. Butt's too big. All this can be fixed but taking a look at negative space and comparing.

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>>3040813
simplify your values

>>3040952
Thanks for the crit anon.

>>3040949
I'll take it.

>>3040943
It looks like you don't really belong in the beginner thread.

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>>3040932
good job for not complicating the hues too much.
It seems like you are directly copying the values down without much analysis of the form. Try to imagine the torso and the limbs as boxes to help to place the shadows.

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>>3040953
>>3040813
The shading still looks funny and not very smooth.
666petportraits improves it but I think it makes it look too anime like (the type of ) and not sophisticated enough - detail is lost.

Specifically from the original:
Lips shading is v. good.
Clothing shading is v. good
I'm not sure what is going on with the horns either anatomically or in terms of shading - get a reference or fix from the reference.
Nose shading seems too dark (but the shadow underneath it looks good) and face shading is funny - right eye is misshappen on the rightmost side and the shading of both eyes needs to be fixed
Nose shading
Hair shading on the sides is fine but the top fo the hair looks funny and the hairline needs to be fixed
Clothing shading is quite good but could use more detail.

This is a poor reference but the light goes around as it does in your original drawing but not in 666petportrait but other aspects of their version eg the eyes is better.

>>3040967
Thankyou for the feedback.

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>>3040940
No shit Sherlock. He's an elf, kinda comes with the territory. Un flipped and improved version

>>3040953
>>3040968
thank you!

What do I draw if I'm not feeling inspired and blanking on what I could be drawing? I want to work at getting better, I want to draw for hours a day, but I'm stuck not knowing what to focus on.

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>>3040983
Same.
I watch tutorials/read books and imitate/practice from what I see there, but then I just don't know what to do afterwards or what to focus on. If I try to do anything it just feels like I'm wasting my time instead of focusing on a single, important thing for hours.

>>3040985
For a month and a half I was drawing people's avatars on another message board, which got me drawing at least an hour a day. But since a lot of the pictures I was drawing were cartoons or anime, I didn't improve at all, as shown here >>3040051

So, fuck, I don't know what I need to do to improve now.

>>3040723
yeah ive read the same and have been doing it myself, but it seems best when youre copying artists that do different stuff than what you normally are into. cause if youre into it in the first place, you probably have that shit all built up from just looking at it and drawing whatever.

>>3040983
What's yer goal? What kind of art do you like that you want to learn how to do? Come on anon. Be more specific.

>>3040813
Bruh, your edges. Come on. Been telling you that like every week.

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Can I get some advice on my figures? I'm studying anatomy and doing figures together. The small ones turn out much better imo.

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>>3041004
I like drawing people and well composed photos. I would love to be able to capture pic related, but that's way beyond my skill level to even try.

>>3041004
Not that anon, but right now I want to improve anatomy.
I'm not sure I am doing anything right, I'm reading Figure drawing for all it's worth by Loomis and the Vilppu drawing manual, I am following both books instructions/recommendations in addition to looking up youtube tutorials on anatomy, but I don't know how to proceed beyond that, do I just copy from photographs/life the way the books tell me to?

Also, I don't have any idea of how to get started on values.

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Can you help me see what's wrong here? I just feel like I'm not doing it right.

I am trying to draw "Darkness" from 'konosuba'. I want to draw in that lush, soft, and squishy style that I see from "Kanachiro" (Often on picarto) for example. What do I need to do?

Addendum: She's supposed to be squishing her breasts while holding the broom up in fright, since her breasts are so large.

Also, how's her anatomy? This is without an anatomical reference. Just used her likeness.

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Before I start applying construction to gesture "sticky figure", what should I learn? And how do i keep proportions in mind?

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>>3040813
Here anon. With just a little bit of cleaning up, which took only a few mins, you can see much more of the face and features. You just have to paint what's there.

Start clean with simple values like >>3040953. It's much easier/faster than to start messy and then try to blend.

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I feel as though I am desperate need of critique on my coloring and line art

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not quite ready to do figures from imagination yet, but whatever. Any glaring errors in proportions, perspective, or balance?

>>3040540
burn it and star over also give pepe a bigger shlong

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Fuck it, I tried >>3041009 anyway. Sorry for the blurry pic.

>>3041109
read the sticky

Advice or links to tutorials on how to shade with pencil crayon or water-color pencils would be super appreciated. I can generally paint a face in Photoshop (after taking a long ass time) but blending, shading and getting skin tones with physical mediums is killing me. I think my issue is that I don't know the process, or a structured approach to layering faces. My pencil work is fucking shit as well, which is masked through the layers I use in Photoshop. This is probably why shading and colouring traditionally is wrecking me.

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Crit please. The pose seems off balance. The front leg isn't planet enough I think.

>>3040758
>for the uncultured.

>>3040662
too dark too suddenly.

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>>3040502
if im artist now is it okay to dress up like this? not in public ofc just at home and maybe few rock concerts
also am i allowed to buy 1 anime statue to study how light shows on 3D objects? i alraedy have a wooden puppet but its just for making poses

>>3041152
If you don't know the ref you didn't even complete high school, that's for sure.

>>3040758
The ref itself is terrible and flat looking.

>>3041157
>>3041158
both of these are kek worthy.

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>>3040897

ok

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>>3041214

>>3041118
is there anything in particular I should focus on from the sticky?

>>3041176
ほっりふぃんg

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What does that dotted "v" line signify in the 2nd mannekin going from the navel to the nipples? Why did he add that in?

>>3041246
>What does that dotted "v" line signify in the 2nd mannekin going from the navel to the nipples? Why did he add that in?
its a triangulation you can use that to determine where the navel or nips go based on that shape rhythm from which ever one you have placed..

>>3041070
Tits are a little bit forward. They're supposed to shoot under the armpit and align more with the shoulders if wearing a bra.

>>3041248 also it extends to the end of the clavicle start of the shoulder.

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how to draw the glass properly?

>>3041259
make a rectangular selection under the face protector. take levels slider, raise values.draw in rest.

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>>3041259
>>3041259
Something I've been wondering too. I want to draw a skull cosmonaut and I'm not sure how to draw the glass and what lies behind it.

>>3041281
Bic & dick. Nice composition.

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I drew this yesterday, but it's terrible. I want to learn how to draw landscapes and environments, but I dont know how and where to start learning it correctly. Can anyone give me some tips or advice regarding this?

>>3040971
No it doesn't, you moron. Regardless of 'magicul race' humanoids still need to abide by basic anatomy, like having a large enough skull to hold their fucking brains. But go ahead and stick with your lazy manga shit, I'm sure you'll turn out just fine.
>muh style

>>3041023
Anatomy of her top half is bad, her arms are way too tiny and her grip is pretty bad. Pick up a broom/rod and hold it like that and look in the mirror, take note of here your elbows hit your torso and where your hands are in relation to your face. Also look at how you're gripping the rod and study the shape of the fingers and hand. Her lady bits look a bit too low as well,

>>3041308

I find this guys videos pretty useful, he works in pen and ink only though. It helps to be more loose when drawing landscape as theres a lot of room for error as opposed to figure drawing where every mistake is easy to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe4xN-bJS_U

>>3041321
Thanks, I've seen some of his videos but I will check out more of them.

>>3040757
Different clothes could be one thing, I guess.

>>3041214
You need some significantly sharper brushes to give the mountain range more definition.

>>3040550
That's what I call a bear in nature.

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>>3040504

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I fucked up his eyes but I think I'm getting better. I have a lot of trouble with head angles that are more extreme than this. I just struggle drawing different planes of the head as well as foreshortening.

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>>3041367
You did way better than me. I wish i wasnt so bad at drawing. I'm trying to get through the sticky but its a lot of reading and exercises and im just lazy.

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>>3041489
Your contour looks good, just pay more attention to the alignment of the facial features and you'll be gucci. To me it looks like you're relying on your wrist too much let your shoulder and your elbow get in on the action too. You are mere steps from the next level, its in reach you just need a little more perspective. Oh and the chin is off.

>>3041496
keep going you'll get there eventually, try to draw a construction drawing underneath your contour drawing very lightly before you actually start making the contour drawing.

>>3041534

You're right about my wrist drawing. I haven't had much access to a desk lately and often draw with my book in my hands which doesn't really encourage use of the shoulder. Appreciate the red line too, man really shows what needs fixing.

>>3041268
wm pencil... no digital cheats

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so i tried to do this and it just looks wrong.
is it really the case that the feature landmarks are different to loomis/hampton's realism method?

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>>3040502
i tried doing some hands and plan on making other limbs in angles as well
any protips for understanding what you´re about to draw in dimension? my endgoal is to deliver furry and fandom NSFW on weekly basis until i start getting commissions

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more things without reference

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sketched this during my free time over the past few days

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>>3041665
Heres a resized version. sorry im fucking stupid lol

>>3041669
first thing i thought about is this guy definetly played undertale
>>3041658
you had very nice lines going and since its so clear with where the muscles are i bet thats really easy to colour and special effect too for concept or 2D render

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I'm trying to get my basic form down, but I'm having a bit of trouble, especially with hips and legs. (feet cut off, since I underestimated the canvas size, but I'm not focused on them atm)

Tips?

>>3041565
>using software is cheating

Are you retarded? Then draw it using only your mouse in MS paint. Better yet, draw it using your shit on your floor, no cheats.

>>3041710
Also I'm aware my perspective sucks... Working on it

>>3041674
Nah, never played it. Tbh, I know the final product looks way different but I was more inspired by the hyper beast art from CSGO ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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how do i draw straight lines on a tablet ? can i just use a ruler?

is the ability to draw straight lines without a ruler actually necessary?

>>3041710
>>3041714
Read a perspective book and learn how to draw boxes n cylinders from every angle possible.

>>3041710
Draw lots of boxes. And balls, cylinders, cones, and compositions of them. Draw gestures and poses from reference.

>>3041718
>is the ability to draw straight lines without a ruler actually necessary?
It's probably good to know how to do that, but at the same time I don't think it would ruin your career in art to never know how to do that

>>3041710
That sketch looks good, especially since you implied you're a beginner. You should probably add some muscle definition to the arm holding the gun and make the palm of the hand holding the gun not so round, but other than that it looks good.

>>3040502
what are some good felt pens?
i bought a pack of staedler pigment liners but the .5 dried up in a day and the .3 is starting to go just after a few days

>>3041723
No it doesn't. There are a lot of things wrong with it, it does not look good.

>>3041725
Well imo I think he did a good job on the posture and I like the left arm/ hand. It's obviously not finished and not meant to be Mona Lisa 2.0, but I guess it's just objective

>>3041724
how hard are you pressing on the paper? they should last longer.

>>3041723
Thanks, but I can see plenty wrong with it, myself. I used to practice regularly, but that was years ago, now. I've lost my touch, not that I was ever really good.

>>3041725
You're not wrong

>>3041729
Well that's the thing, I'm not planning to finish it. It's partially just to test this new tablet and get used to digital, and partially as practice for form.

>>3041730
id say in the middle
not super hard but not super soft either
the .5 went super dry, pressing really hard or really soft didnt do much after a while and now the .3 only works well if i press pretty hard and hold the pen at a 90 degree angle

>>3040673
>wasp waisted

I'll give you that she is thin but that is definitely attainable by a very fit woman who eats the daily recommended calorie intake.

How do I get into drawing more mechanical objects like cars, mechas, and ships? I've always drawn organic, rounded things like people and animals but now not being able to do things with hard lines and hard shapes is starting to cripple me. Where should I start?

>>3041740
Start by drawing simple mechanical objects. A mosin nagant is actually a great simple rifle to start with

>>3040904
You are an idiot and probably haven't achieved anything. There is a difference between tracing and studying a form.

>>3041718
just control z all the lines that didnt go like you wanted and do it again until its good

>>3041748
That seems like a rather bad habit though.

>>3041749
Why?

>>3040617
It's called a key light. It's focused on her torso, and is a tight beam, not a flood, for a specific effect. It's mainly for photographic effect, and should be used for art reference. (the references posted here are iffy, at best, anyway)

There's 3 kinds of lights to worry about:
Key light - main source of light
Fill - ambient light
Back - background lighting, to create halos and contrast lighting.

The key light isn't always mimicking the sun, or a big, bright light that illuminates the whole figure.

>>3040667
Learn to draw breasts. You're drawing implants, not real breasts.

>>3040699
If your mental state is that fragile, I would recommend you get some therapy, and work on that, and return to art when you're more stable.

In al my years of art school, and knowing artists, I've never seen people talk like this. It sounds to me like you have clinical depression, from other sources than art, and you need to deal with them, before tackling art.

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>>3041308
it's terrible because your reference is terrible. Overcast day, no shadows, hardly any contrast or depth in value. It won't look like much of anything if you manage to draw it.

Choose a landscape with clear and simple forms, bright with plenty of shadows and value variation.

>>3040703
Learn to paint skin, and then, specifically, black skin. This is cartooning. Black skin has a lot more color in it than caucasian or asian, it's pretty beautiful, when you can see it. They have deep reds, blues, and every other color.

You're also mixing line art and realistic, which is probably a mistake at your skill level. Pick one, and finish the piece, then do another of the other style.

You've also given her white features.

Your lack of understanding how the face is constructed is pretty blatant, you need to go learn how to draw the various parts of the face, and then combine them. Then learn lighting, then form, color, and texture.

This is above your skill level, honestly.

>>3040715
Determining the center of mass, and where the weight of the body is focused on. Muscles will change shape when under weight, or not. One thing to always be looking for is to ground your character, by determining where the center of mass is, and where the weight of the body is centered - like on one leg, or the butt while sitting. It's part of the gesture itself.
Plumb line is one of the more less-studied things, so don't feel bad for not knowing.

>>3040897
No. Start over. You've managed to completely miss the entire structure of her body.

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>>3041772
>Black skin has a lot more color
>They have deep reds, blues, and every other color
They? Who's they?
>You've also given her white features.
Wow. Racist much?

>>3041009
Possibly, but you construct a scene like this, like you would anything else - a piece at a time. You wouldn't have to pose all those people at one time, you pose them one or two at a time - where they interact/touch each other is where you'd need more than one.
That's how the masters did it - one figure at a time.

>>3041776
I'd just do it the exact same way if I did it over. Can you show me what I did wrong?

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I dont want to be that guy that does a horrible planning sketch and then polishes a turd afterwards

what have I missed, what can I do to improve?

>>3041779
>They? Who's they?

The chimps some insist in calling black "people".

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>>3041128
Colored pencils is all about the paper, and layering colors - and not pressing too hard. White of the paper will always show through. A rougher paper is better, with more tooth, to catch the graphite.
One of the true masters at colored pencil is Bill Nelson:
http://billnelsonstudios.com/
Study his technique and work for clues/ideas.

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>>3041779
literally all skin has reds, blues, yellows, and a shitload of other colors. there's a reason why it's considered fucking hard to paint accurately.

>>3041131
Her weight should be on the left leg, and it's too far back to support her in this position.

>>3041131
when it comes to legs, examine the pose and suss out which leg is bearing the majority of the weight (there will always be one, unless they're standing in like, parade rest) and draw with the load-bearing leg in mind to plant it firmly on the floor and keep it in line with where the body's center of balance has shifted to compensate for the pose.

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>>3041176

>>3041718
I use a rule on my Cintiq sometimes, along with my triangles and french curves. Sometimes it's just more efficient.
Also, learn our app. Photoshop, for instance, has line tools, and, if you use the brush tool, just click on the origin, hold down the shift key, and click on the next point, and it will draw a line between them (if you're using a tablet, turn off pressure and all effects - I have a line tool brush so I can switch to it quickly.)

>>3041779
It's not racist to say someone is black, if they're actually black. And, there is a huge distinction between black features, and white - if you were any kind of artist with experience you'd know that. Saying Asians have eyes shaped differently than whites is not racist, neither is saying blacks have differently shaped features, because it's FUCKING TRUE.
Take your shit and fuck off to /b/, kid. Don't waste our fucking time with nonsense like this.

>>3041786
Look at that stomach/abdomen. Mirror it if you can't see it. Too long and the thighs blocking most of it makes you want to make it longer.

>>3041811
Is that not cheating?

>>3041749
It's really not a bad habit, a lot of artists do that until they get the line they want. Sure, you can't do that in real life, but it's silly not to enjoy conveniences just because you can't utilize them elsewhere.

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someone?

>>3041888
looks cool and 3d

>>3041770
Thanks, will think about this when I'm out next time.

>>3041877
Using a straight edge is cheating? The masters used rulers, it's just a tool. Nobody, except maybe the tryhards here, expect an artist to draw perfectly straight lines freehand. I've never heard using a ruler called "cheating" until I started reading this forum. It's laughably not true. You have a world of tools available to you - use them.

>>3041877
NO RULES
JUST TOOLS

What is the best way to construct hands?

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How much are you guys planning to charge for your work once you're ready? Even just small commissions.

I will be charging $15 an hour to start, but will bump it up to $20 or more when I get really good.

The amount of hours I put into a piece will determine the final asking price, of course. Private commission from some kid on deviant art? 2 hour sketch for $30. Professional illustration for WotC? 30 hours for $600, I guess.

>>3042019
Post your work nigger. You're not that good.

>>3042019
it depends on what your art looks like

post an example

>>3042034
>>3042049
>planning to charge
>more when I get really good.

C'mon guys its all future tense let the anon have goals...

>>3041877

No.

If you can draw perfect lines and cicles without the tools then good for you. It's convenient and much faster than having to use tools. But it's not cheating.

Cheating is smudging a photo and call it painting or painting over photo and claim that you draw and paint from scratch. Like most "artist" on reddit do.

They even get paid because normies can't tell shit.

>>3041710

Take out that giant vibrating dildo out of your ass next time you draw.

>>3042067
Can you elaborate on what you mean by smudging? I use the smudge tool all the time when I render.

>>3042072

This.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mwYyKwHtxE

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Anyone there?

Here's a piece of advice for everyone:
Stop focusing on stylizing your drawings and creating a look before you understand the basics of anatomy and depth.

>>3042087
And stop trying to be a porn artist out of the gate, everyone's attempts at sexy drawings look fucking ridiculous when you don't have the slightest grasp on anatomy.

>>3042088
>stop drawing things you like

Isnt that the opposite of creating art?

>>3042087
I didnt use a reference for the pose, what do you think about the colors? Is it too dark?

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>>3042087
does that include making nice lines and having nice lineweight? I know h*ck all about anatomy and don't even know what you mean by 'depth' but I try to make my lines nice and lovely

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tell me about the shadows, what is their plan?

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ok im done
crit me you small penises

>>3042130
youre not going dark enough and some of your measurements are way off. the spine isnt curved in the same way as it is in the reference picture and most of the shapes youve tried to define in the back are muddy and undefined. the left arm doesnt bend in the same way as it does in the reference and it makes the whole drawing look unstable.

>>3042130
how do i get a non-muddy look? what do you mean by undefined?

>>3042152
>>3042139

>>3042174
keep
it
up

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I know my anatomy and proportions are probably really off but holy shit this is the closest thing I have ever drawn that kinda sort of resembles a human bean! I'm so stoked right now I just wanted to share with you guys!

edit: forgot to resize.

>>3042019
I charge $250 an hour, when I charge hourly, which is rare. That's full color. Black and white and page layout I start at $150 a page. I generally charge a set/project price, and how much time it will take dictates the price more than anything. Market, size of company, budget, and history with a client also come into play.
I'm working in a market that's professional, though. Your mileage will vary.

>>3042101
The burn/dodged areas are way too dark, yeah.

>>3042121
I think nice lines and an understanding of lineweight come with practice, it's good to be confident in your lines like instead of being super sketchy about a line just make the motion. Word of advice: try to use your arm for larger strokes, instead of just pivoting your wrist move your entire arm. You'll get smoother lines, even if you feel a little goofy doing it.
>>3042130
that's actually really good, nice job. agreeing with other anons about going darker in the shadows but it looks pretty great.

>>3042218
Smoother lines yes, but lines that don't go where I want them to.

>>3042178
Why is her vagina 10 miles from her belly button?

>>3042229
Because I'm inexperienced and still developing.

>>3042225
Not to sound like a broken record, but it just takes some time to get used to it. I do a warmup where I draw a bunch of lines as straight and uniformly in a row as I can in every direction, then crosshatch those, then coils and circles to loosen my arm and hand up.

How exactly do I construct feet?

>>3040694
Anatomy is the lesser of the issues here, gesture is the major one. There's nothing here that moves the eye through the figure-- far too static.

>>3042242
Could you show me? How do you crosshatch straight lines? Isn't crosshatching just shading?

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As a very beginner, am I allowed to try drawing something as complex as this picture? Will I learn anything if I try?

>>3042296
who's stopping you

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>>3042307
I tried. Its shit, I need to read the sticky, whatever.

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>>3042329
Oh, and this is the reference I used.

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Can I get some crits?

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How bad are the proportions? Any criticism is welcome, I divide my time between practicing the fundies and doing stuff for fun, this one was for fun

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>>3042391
The gloves are too tiny. It looks like his hands can barely fit in. They should be big enough to completely cover his head. His abs look like they're giant pimples or something. Instead of having individual muscles pop out, try drawing his abs connected to each other. His forearms could have more details. Other than that it's pretty good.

>>3042397
His hands should be big enough to cover his chin to his eyes. His feet should be as big as his head. His head is too big.

>>3040983
Late reply, but I don't believe you (or anyone else) can really do that. You have 2-3 hours at most of creative power, then the rest of the day will be spent either refining something, or sketching to ease your mind.

Granted, I'm just regurgitating the words of this guy:
https://www.youtube.com/user/FZDSCHOOL/videos
But he's a professional, so his words have a lot of weight.

>>3042417
I see, thanks for the tips, i will pay more attention to those parts in the future, it is actually a good trick to know if the feet and the hands are the correct size

>>3042415
Got it, thanks senpai

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Critiques welcome

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Been trying to paint water recently! Tips, critique, guides, ect. Please show me how you paint water!

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>>3041367
Aw I fucked it up, tried to work on it from memory while on the bus, Ill try again tomorrow afternoon

It feels like I'm cheating when I'm doing construction ,overlay it on the ref , then move the ref back and fix construction.

Am I actually learning or should I start anew everytime?

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I've gotten queit a bit of negative feed back on this. Can someone pls give me tips on how to get better?

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>>3042507
You know I can see that you put extra details on shits like the star in his eyeball and these extra tattoos or whatevers. That's a lot of mistakes beginners make. Those extra details won't make your drawing look good, just more crowded.

What you want to focus on is the the line works. I'm sure you've already heard this but you need to work on your anatomy and perspectives. Any coloring and quirky flairs can come later.

I have trouble with structure. I get lost because I don't know what to do or practice.

Does anyone have an example of a study schedule or guide?

i looked through my stuff from a year ago and apart from being slack i doubt i could reproduce it. i think ive gone down in quality

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Is it better to sharpen the blades or just order new ones?

>>3042576
its easy enough to sharpen them, even if you just need to realign the blade. only worth if you already have a whetstone though

>>3041164
How dare you say that on BEATORICHE!?

>>3042576
Sharpen your pencil with a knife instead, works just as well and gives you more control on what you want your pencil to look like.

>>3042542
What do you want to draw, anon?

>>3042500
I think it's good if you remember what exactly you did wrong and make sure it doesn't happen again in your next drawing. Besides that, your drawing on the reference doesn't have to be a 1:1 copy. Feel free to move have the body be a little different in your drawing. It's fun to exaggerate a pose. As long as you're aware of the changes you made to the figure.

>>3042434
Maybe you can try constructing a few figures using exclusively straight lines. It will force you more into giving something proper form and perspective, instead of the eyeballing you're doing now with the more complex curved lines.

>>3042258
Read the sticky, get the books
It's explained in the books

In the end it's like constructing anything, really. If you can construct something properly, you can construct anything as anything is a complex shape and can be abstracted to a less or more complex shape.

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>>3042606
>What do you want to draw, anon?
Not completely sure on the focus, but I'd like to draw environments and some fantasy stuff like pic related. Slightly stylized, bright colors and stuff.

>>3042461
what is the water doing

light source seems inconsistent, almost like pillow shading in some places but some places the light is hitting from the sides

>>3041023
vary your line weight

>>3042461
water isn't blue, it's the colour of whatever's around it. so you'd have black-ish lines to show depth and a paler tone of the hand refracting through yo show the shape of the water. also your highlights are inconsistent. on the left side the light's coming from the left and on the right side the light's coming from the right

>>3042636
just an fyi these arent particularly well drawn, but expect rigorous study to still reach this level in an acceptable time frame. since youre noob by the sounds of it practice lighting and perspective. op has links

>>3042652
not quite true. water is blue the more there is. in such a small quantity its nearly clear, though larger volumes will be blue when theres nothing else but a white light source.

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>>3041065
pls

>>3042660
its alright, too little coloring though. look at how light hits a face, your putting only the minimal amount in.

>>3042671
I always knew I was too hesitant with my coloring/shading. but your comment verifies it, definitely will try being more bold in future pieces, thanks anon

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>>3040569
Gave it a shot, how is it?

>>3042722
too skinny / tall

How often should I be trying to draw from imagination?

>>3042078
I dont get why people dont reply to my posts. This is the third piece I get almost no direct reply on and it makes me really sad and fustrated. I try making experiments on how I introduce it, ie unsure, desperate, meh, or slightly proud but it doesnt matter.

If it was horrendeusly bad I would guaranteed get replies so its not that. And its not good since then I'd get positive replies. Is it all just so painfully boring and unnoticable that no one gives a shit?

>>3042731
whats there to say thats not obvious? fix your anatomy and fix your blending. also finish your art

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>>3040508
I probably shouldn't have tried to render this fully without putting down the whole base sketch first, but its so fun you know?

>>3042740
no face rendereing / nipples?

>>3042660
Needs more shading and definition anon. Some of the anat is off especially the thickness of the arm near the elbow and the wrist. The current image is okay but if you will have to Loomis and practice shading real people a lot more in the future if you want to progress more.

>>3042078
consider making the hands slightly smaller, and checking the hips.
try not to shade with blacks or greys

>>3042742
yea, forgot to mention its a wip that I'll never probably finish. I'll work on doing other studies faster because this probably took too much time already

>>3042740
Watch out, she's about to fall over.

>>3042743
Always need more Loomis anon, thanks for the critique!

>>3042772
draw a vertical line down from the centre of mass to the ground. if the contact point is between the feet the pose is balanced

>>3042776
Her left leg in your sketch is a bit off, so the point probably won't be between her feet, it will be behind them, further away from the viewer. Even if it will,the pose will look weird, as if she's making a pretty awkward squat. In the reference her left leg is vertical.

>>3042773
You probably won't feel the need to change or add to your style until years later.

>>3042772
>>3042776
>>3042782
Thanks anon! I completely forgot about the centre of mass and was focusing too much on the rendering. I'll try to fix it.

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>>3042295
Here's a warmup sheet I did, cross hatching is a shading technique, but it's also a good way to practice doing confident line strokes. Do some small ones with just your wrist and practice your speed, then do longer ones using your arm and focus on making a line you're happy with. And I do strokes going up down, down up, left right, and right left. My left right stroke is the weakest so don't feel bad if you find out there's a direction you're not as good at. That's why you move the paper around while you're drawing. Think of a warmup session as structured doodling. You know the things you're going to do but do other shit you feel like. Wanna draw a quick gesture? Go for it. A warmup helps loosen your joints up and kickstarts your muscle memory.

>>3042784
What do you mean by that?

>>3042740
I like it.

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I did this exactly year ago and want to redraw it to see how much progress I have

but I can't find the reference I used. The reference was Nordic girl with blode hair and strong jawline, it was almost in every /beg/ thread earlier

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Obviously lips, cheek angle, nose width and forehead are fucked up. any other crits?

>>3041710
It's obvious you've got the skill to improve, but haven't quite found that execution, yet, especially digital. A mannequin would help you, greatly

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I can't cure my object drawing and I am depressed with esteem issues and many other things, I am looking for drawing as a means to escape.

I know I am on the right path with my understanding of gestures, for example both marked K are Keanue reeves, except notebook one is only looking at what lines and individual shapes makes me feel and translating that while the other one is looking at relations, and lines and all.

Do you guys think I have skill? should I wait until I get shrink to help me fix my mental state? Perhaps I shouldn't beat myself up until then.

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>>3040506
Vilppu I'm gonna be feelin some forms tonight

>>3042603
But you could slit your throat with that knife instead! Waste of a good knife using it not to cut yourself, come back when you have good advice,
I'm going to back to my date with my machete.

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>>3042880
I forgot the file 2 times, fuck me

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>>3040508

>>3042974
Yes, you're very good at drawing from observation and you have great potential. Have you tried the Stravinsky exercise? I think that would benefit you greatly.

>>3042847
check if there is a traditional european thread in /s/.

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>>3042732
>>3042745
Thanks for the reply, I'm fixing it up as we speak.

Also have this on the back burner, does it qualify as a golden ratio or is it just my eyes tricking me

>>3043101
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>>3043101
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>>3040701
Another beginner here, this is amazing anon, thank you for this.

>>3042974
Dude, if you're just starting out and this is what you can muster together you're already 40 percent there. If you just learn to have fun learning then you will become a master trust me

>>3042809
Looks like shit. I've seen better warm up sessions.

>>3041718
make a dot, move the cursor to where you want the line to end, hold down shift, and make another dot.