/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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rope could use some work

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>>3037991
ref from a couple days ago

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This gesture thing is getting really annoying. but only because I don't understand it and I'm really trying to...

Surely this isn't just drawing stick figures, is it???

>>3038000
did you read any book or watch any video on gesture? if not, pls do. You have to capture the gesture of the individual parts or the entire body motion, not just draw lines for every part.

>>3038008
I have!! I've watched all sorts of videos and read! It's just not showing and I don't know why!!

>>3038009
>>3038000
Watch Proko.

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Give critique please.

>>3038054
Post construction layers.

>>3038054
Good clean painting but the perspective is wonky and values are flat and inconsistent. Post reference pls.

Is it considered shameful to look at a big artist you like a lot and try to learn how to draw/gain a style by looking at their drawings and trying to copy them as a reference (not tracing, just trying to create the same drawing) and not claiming it as mine or posting it or anything? I just don't want to be accused down the line of copying somebody else's style but I really really like theirs, and I'd like to draw in a similar way

>>3038078
NO NO NO NO NO
MASTER STUDIES ARE A GOOD THING

>>3038078
EVERYONE DOES MASTER STUDIES

>>3038082
>>3038081
Okay good I'm the newest newfaggot to this board and art you can think of and was worried about this

>>3038083
It's a great way to learn and often times you see people post their studies and stuff here.

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>>3038058
I flattened all layer so I lost it. I try to replicate it for you, basically just blocking out where the eyes,nose,lips are.

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>>3038069
Thanks.I drew from imagination with diferent references from different people combined. Tweaked the value a bit, is it a little better now?

>>3038087
That works well enough. Thanks anon!

how important is drawing in good light?
its dark out now and im just drawing by my computer light'
i can see well enough but its still kind of dark

>>3038095
very important, you gotta be able to see that shit bro. turn on a fucking light

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>>3038096
ok i turned my light on

>>3038089
It did need more light but you lost some of the contrast.

The inconsistency was more to do with the lighting. It's not clear which direction it's coming from. The right cheek is lighter than the left cheek. The left has rim light but doesn't show on the nose or anywhere else. The nose is in shadow and side plane is too dark. The right eye should be in shadow but is highlighted. Basically lighting is all over the place.

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>>3038103
Thank anon!

when doing the drawabox 250 box challenge, am I supposed to be like envisioning a box first and then trying to get it right? Or am I just supposed to draw the Y and use perspective rules to shit out basically whatever box comes out?

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I've been drawing mannequins for a few days now to try and improve my proportions. Should I fix anything or just keep drawing them?

>>3038162
keep drawing, check with references after a couple of drawings to see if your proportions are right

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>OP didn't use the image i drode as the OP image
I hereby quit drawing

with the picasso exercise is it asking me to draw it right side up with the upside down portrait as a reference or draw it upside down the same way as the portrait

>>3038211
Nvm, it said what I had to do literally the next page, sorry

Oh man I made the op image. I don't know if I should be happy or cry.

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What should I fix?

Sup. When drawing from reference, should I do the construction for proportions/anatomy, or just blind sketch it?

Sup. When drawing from reference, should I do the construction for proportions/anatomy, or just blind sketch it?

>>3038206
You mean did? It's not exactly a compliment.

>>3038230
I guess it's better to do some basic construction to understand the reference as a 3D object/person, but I'm guessing it doesn't have to be too accurate of a construction since you can practice that separately, at least it's what I do as a fellow /beg/.

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torsos without reference

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do i have the basics of feet down?

are tiny little composition notebooks okay for sketches?

>>3038162
Are you trying to draw them exactly as you see them? Are you drawing different ones? Some of these look normal, some look fat, some look shorter. Just drawing mannequins won't help you understand proportion unless you are carefully studying the relationship of the sizes of each body part in each pose.

>>3038095
That;s an extremely bad habit. Your drawing surface should be well lit. My drafting table, where I draw the most, has two swing arm lights with 75K bulbs in them - that's bare minimum to me, they should be 100K, but the lamps aren't rated for that high.

>>3038258
Anything is "okay" I started learning by drawing in extra pages of old notebooks I had from school. So I wouldn't worry about it too much. Get some better materials when you can though.

>>3038255
watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05fn1DlFRtY

Try not to use spheres for construction. Rely on boxy shapes.

>>3038248
How many figures with reference did it take for you to get to this point?

>>3038258
How small are they? If you are trying to render and stuff you need some size.. otherwise you won't be able to add details.. printer paper is fine, any 2B or 3B pencil is fine for both sketching and shading.

>>3038263
That's what I'm trying to do. I just want to be able to draw the basic forms of a body. When I tried gesture it looked like shit, so I figured I should take things back to basics.

>>3038274
from imagination it would take you 1500 figures to get to this level from 0. at 2.5 mintues each.

>>3038273
good video but im not using spheres?

>>3038274
I just look at my own body as reference and then add hips if I want to draw female body

>>3038280
Thanks NoseBro. I knew I could count on you to measure these things out.

>>3038282
You have a hot body. Mind posting some pics for reference?

Is it a requirement to do the picasso exercise? I understand what it's trying to tell me and I think it'd be better if I just stop and move onto something else

>>3038294
Think of it as an initiation. We won't consider you cool until you do so.

I feel uncomfortable drawing nudes, especially boobs. How do I get over this?

>>3038315
come back to 4chan when you're 18

>>3038315
Lol fuuck

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>>3036464

I'm

>>3035588

Here's what I did, I'm not sure if it's good or bad, either way it took me like 8 hours.

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>>3038338
>posts
>immediately spots problems

fuck.

Here's the original reference by the way for anyone curious or wanting to do it themselves.

Question: Do you pretty much need to use blending in order to render hair efficiently?

>>3038338
what is with that box
did you have a stroke?

>>3038346
Never mind; found a video on how to draw strands properly to not need blending.

>>3038349
post it

>>3038348
I thought the exercise was to draw the eye, not the box, so I ignored the box. To be fair I knew I shouldn't have done that and was being extremely lazy, so that is a fair criticism.

>>3038346
>>3038349
>>3038350
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKw7CzL8EP8

My straight lines stabilize a lot more when drawing with my hand braced against the drawing surface. Is this fine, or a bad habit? My straight lines go all over the place with only the tool tip touching the surface.

>>3038375
>anon fell for the don't let your hand ever touch the surface meme

>>3038375
put your canvas at an angle, it will really help with keeping your hand off the paper.
try not to have your canvas directly parallel to the ground because youll want to have your hand resting on your paper

>>3038377
I haven't seen anything either way, it seems like something that's probably okay but possibly a bad habit that I'll need to redevelop motor memory for later to correct.
I guess I'm just asking to be memed into oblivion though.
>yes anon, draw with a stable hand and you're NGMI, flail out those squiggles 16hrs/day til they're straight :^)c

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>>3037980

Why is it when I'm doing full bodies I can't really get the shadows right/realistic? So much easier if I just draw a giant nose or eye to make it look really realistic, but the body? It's really difficult. Looks like a mess desu, anyone had similar problems? Tips?

>>3038338
That's pretty good anon! A little rough but fine altogether. I'd say you're passing through symbol drawing now. Did you feel like this exercise helped you?

Next, if you're goal is to learn to draw faces from imagination, you'll first need to draw a bunch from reference. Pick one gender at a time and do a series of them. In between, go watch study sessions from Vilppu or Proko about how to draw the different parts of the face such as eyes, nose, mouth. So draw your faces, insert some feature studies in between, then at the end draw some faces from imagination. Keep repeating this and you'll start to internalize the process and you'll be able to draw heads no problem.

If you haven't yet, you should do form/light studies. If you understand how light works and how it applies to form, it will save you time from having to guess where shadows and highlights go. You can just look at a face, figure out its light source, and know how the shadows, midtones, and highlights will look.

Keep up the good work and keep posting so you can get feedback.

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It's good?
Also
How to draw texture? (Like steel,furry, something dry, slimy, etc)


(If I have a mistake orthography, I apologize and request to correct me,if you want, thanks)

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>>3038419
I used to do cloth studies a lot so I at least have the slightest clue about how light works, but obviously not enough so I'll do more. Thanks for all the advice and the specific study I should try. It definitely helped, it made me realize that an eye is nothing but squishiness surrounding a ball, that the almond shape is just the squishiness. Logically and practically, I already knew this, but I didn't think of how that actually applies. Thanks anon and thanks /ic/.

Also I fixed some of the problems and probably made some new ones.

How the fuck do I draw fists?

>>3038398
If you draw it on small piece of paper you should simplify shading, so that it enforces form and light and shadow areas.
But it'd be best for you to just get a bigger page and get more detail in single drawing.
Figure drawing classes usually use B2 format or bigger.
>>3038455
You can use reflections and highlights to show that something is metallic.
For slimy things also add translucency and for fur add random lines in shadow areas.
You should pick a photo and study from it or see how other artist draw them.

>>3038294
>day 1
>being a lazy bitch
with this attitude you might as well give up

>>3038497
You're right, it's probably the size.. humm.. it's a bit difficult for me to draw on big pages, gonna have to buy a desk.

No much point in simplifying shadows yet for me though, since I'm specifically practicing shadows, values and rendering with my studies. I wanna do that later on when I move into a manga style.

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Tried to avoid the chicken scratching, how is it?

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I see now that the mouth/ear/scalp are wrong. am I missing anything else?

>>3038294
You can't be so lazy you can't manage to do a single exercise before dropping it. You're literally NGMI. Takes about 30-60 minutes, you do it in a single seating, don't be a lazy fuck, everyone has done it, why do you wanna be the exception?

Do you think you already understand drawing what you see, as opposed to symbol drawing? Post your work.

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>>3038600
Use shading to show plane changes, avoid lines like on the nose.
Don't draw outline of lips, avoid outlining each teeth, use shading instead.
Search for Doxy's lips tutorial, it's really helpful.
Last thing: keep everything alligned to perspective.
Eyes should lie on the same line and nose with lips should share a center line.

>>3038255

>>3038218
Give them eyebrows

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>>3038616
Thanks! I've always had a hard time keeping eyes in line.

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>>3037975

What are some general rules and tips when drawing the female body ?

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This is how I art:
>Draw a reference
It sucks so I erase it.
>Draw reference again
I erase half of it and I start again.
>Delete and redraw eyes
The eyes still look wrong.
>Delete and redraw eyes
The eyes still look wrong.
>Delete and redraw eyes
The eyes still look wrong.
>Delete face and decide to trace it
The eyes and face still look wrong and apparently the other character in the photo is out of proportion.
>Delete the eyes. Trace the eyes
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Trace the eyes
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Trace the eyes
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Trace the eyes
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Don't trace the eyes but reference it closely
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Don't trace the eyes but reference it closely
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Don't trace the eyes but reference it closely
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Don't trace the eyes but reference it closely
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Don't trace the eyes but reference it closely
It still looks wrong.
>Delete the eyes. Don't trace the eyes but reference it closely
Finally it looks right!
>Add colours
It looks like shit.
>Delete colours and redo it.
Still looks like shit
>Delete colours and redo it.
Looks slightly better this time.
>Delete colours and redo it.
It looks better this time. Call it a study and publish it online.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>3038708
>using references
ngmi

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>>3038709
One day I hope that someone will be able to image dreams and imagination and since my dreams and imagination are incredibly vivid I could use those as references.

>>3038339
If drawing this in ink, how do I shade it? With hatching, stippling, what?

>>3038709
whats wrong with using references

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Cri-tekk ples xd I am god Eertist ??????

Is loomis' figure drawing book a good follow up to fun with a pencil?

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>>3038833

>>3038218

this >>3038634
and remake the thick lines for the two pointy hairs of the girl, with thinner lines for that two hairs and eyebrows everything will look well-balanced

Does anyone else feel like your hands just don't do what you want them to when you first start? How do I get over this?

>>3038918
drawabox
do a lot of boring bodymechanical drawing exercises.

>>3038709
>>3038755
Nothing, don't listen to this retard. Your mind can't randomly make up human proportions, references are absolutely necessary, at least for practice.

>>3038755
this >>3038938

>>3038928
Should I do all of Drawabox?

>>3038709
Someone post that guy's imgur that only drew horseshit from imagination for two years

>>3038918
You need to develop your hand dexterity, this is normal, everyone has to go through this.
It's like learning to write when you were a kid, your handwriting always looked like shit.

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>>3037982
It annoyed me so much that the base sketch took so long to make that I'm satisfied with. Should I keep grinding gestures and stuff, or are there any other things I should do?

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How do i prevent myself from drawing characters that are flat and boring?

>>3038951
Yes
Only the first part focuses on mechanical practise though.

>>3038992
You learn forms

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How do I improve anons, send help please. It looks nothing like her, how do I capture likeness, any guides or tips would be highly appreciated.

>>3038951
Only up until he starts on humans. There are much better teachers than him in that regard and his actual work also leaves much to be desired.

>>3039071
Post reference.

>>3038708
remember your art isn't precious
just finish the damn drawing, see what you can do better, and move to the next one
learn from your mistakes, don't hide them

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how are things looking?

>>3038833
I dont know if it was intentional but there is a warp in space and time near the side of her face.

I drew some very crude red lines to reign in the special anomaly. I just have some plum lines and planes keeping things even.

Of course if this was intentional or you disagree then just ignore it.

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[spoiler][/spoiler]

>>3039078
its in the thread
>>3038600

>>3039132
It's pretty fucking good, Anon. Only things I can see wrong is the mouth and the fact that she looks bald.

>>3039071
post it side by side with the reference and you will immediately see everything wrong with it. subtlety is very important in faces.

My parents just gifted me a Wacom Intuos Art since they noticed I've been practicing lately.
Thing is, it feels awful to draw on, my lines aren't nearly as firm as they should be and it's also very small.
Do I just return it or do I keep trying to get used to it?

>>3039156
In the end your parents gifted you the tablet because they want to see you happy and succeed. If you feel like the gift was not really what you wanted after all, I would just make this known. Make sure they know you appreciate the gesture and exchange the gift for perhaps a bigger size version. It's not like it's a handmade product, so I don't think there will be much emotional attachment by them to the gift itself.

>>3039156
If you have the small model, and a high resolution screen, it's going to be really annoying to use. But if you have the medium one, just keep practicing, and you'll get used to it. The first week of using a tablet is always very weird.

>>3039156
Steal their credit card and buy a 27qhd

>>3039167
I mean don't get me wrong, I really apreciated it, but I don't think the quality of the tablet itself is that great, so I considered returning it and saving money to buy a better one. Seems like small tablets can cause a lot of wrist pain, not to mention the tablet itself doesn't feel very accurate. I was mostly trying to see if anyone here knew about this specific model and if it was good enough for a first tablet.

>>3039168
My computer screen you mean? if so it's the usual 1080p, the tablet is also the smallest model apparently, it really doesn't feel comfortable no matter what I try, but I was hoping that is just me not being used to digital drawing, the lines are all wobbly but I can draw just fine on paper.

>>3039172
yea, maybe get a bigger model, the small model is bad if your screen is 1080p, especially if its like 21-23 inches. It's just too small. I'd recommend getting the wacom art medium, wacom one medium, or huion 1060 plus. The wacom art medium is good, but it's 200 dollars.

>>3038593
Is she supposed to look anorexic? The exposed rip cage makes it seem like she just escaped a concentration camp. And the left arms a little off.

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>>3037979

>>3039179
I've never seen anyone talking about Art though, it's always Intuos, so I started thinking it was some old obsolete model. What is the difference, even?

>>3039179
Also just to give a better idea on the size, it's about half of an A4 paper.

>>3038992
1. forms
2. learn to depict weight and motion in gesture; the pose looks stiff because it's too symmetrical

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how do i shadow?

>>3039254
gerald breem please go

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lol

Are there any resources for drawing items and shit? more specifically weapons?

I always try to draw shit with reference, I really like flintlock weapons but it always comes out looking really awkward, especially when i try to draw like a character holding it or some shit

>>3039254
your shading looks pretty decent honestly, your anatomy is wack though. dude on the right has huge fucking eyes, nose look smushed in like a pancake, jaw is kinda crooked.

Also don't be afraid to use just straight black lines to convey when one shape ends and another begins. I see this most around the ears, where the ear connects back to the head. your drawing looks like the ear just kinda morphs into the cheek because you did some fine shading from cheek to ear. just draw a dark line between cheek/ear to let the viewers know they are two seperate shapes.

Also, this is kind of a more advanced idea, but sometimes it's better to use shadow to bring attention to the light. For example, people will often shade in the ears or neck because that brings more attention to the face

>>3039274
thanks.

>>3038872
Ok thanks

>>3039220
The active area or the whole tablet? If it's the active area, you've got the medium version.

>>3039318
the whole tablet, the active area is less than that. Would it help if i lower my screen resolution?

>>3039269
It's the same as drawing humans, understand what they're made of and how they're made, what everything does, and how each piece relates to the next, and you'll be able to draw them better.

What's the right way to go at Loomis? I just finished Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain.

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>>3037975
how do i draw bodies

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any tips and tricks?

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Tried painting a head, I don't really paint much. Pls help.

>>3039381

How old are you?

>>3039381

timmy?

>>3039381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIgfiSzCy1o

>>3039392
>>3039394
>>3039395
being a complete noob myself as well, i was gonna post here and try to get better too.

guess i'll do that somewhere else.

>>3038708

Post it here for crit...

Never really drawn before, and I want to get to the point that I can draw characters. Should I dive into figure drawings and such to get used to drawing people or should I try to draw objects first?

I'm coming into this from programming, so it's hard to find my footing. I'm used to finding concrete tutorials to follow when learning new stuff in that discipline.

>>3039403
>Should I dive into figure drawings and such to get used to drawing people or should I try to draw objects first?

Do both.

>>3039397

You're either going to get shit on or get false praises that stagnant your growth no matter where you go.

Learn how to ignore the shitty part and only take the stuff that will help you improve.

>>3038990

Gesture -> construction -> refine the anatomy

>>3039399
critique... what a funny and familiar word

looks more like this entire thread is dry from anything even resembling "critique"

this is a bait thread right? where you can laugh at shitty beginners for lulz right?

>>3039406
So you're basically telling me, since i am a beginner, to ignore this thread. Not even sure why i expected a Yotsuba board to be any different from any of the other degenerate boards that purely exist for lulz

thanks for the heads up anyway, the advice is well received

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>>3039359
does this look good?

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>Draw almost every day
>average a page front and back per day
>flips thorugh nearly a hundred pages in my note book
>zero improvement
>many of the older drawings are BETTER

idk. i've been trying to improve for 2 years and these pasts months i really put effort into it. i think i just dont have a brain for it. im more logic oriented, i guess creative stuff is just impossible. this must be how people who struggle in math class feel

>>3039404
Whats a good place to start from literally nothing? I'm still having trouble getting straight lines.

>>3039419
>Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson
>drawabox.com
>Peter Han's Dynamic sketching

In that order

>>3039420
Thank you! Gonna dig in and I'll be back when I have stuff to show for critique.

>>3039418
a page front and back isn't that much.
Try two pages front and back

>>3039418
one page front and back per day? that's not enough. try like 4 page front and back. how long do you spend trying ?

>>3039424
lol you beat me to it. it is true though you need to draw more.

>>3039381
you are attempting something beyond your skillset. get your skills up first.

>>3039418
I notice improvements from day to day, stop making excuses for your failures

>>3039351
Anyone? Which book should I start with?

>>3039442
Fun with a Pencil

>>3038280
Can't be that hard to reach that level..

>>3039418
a page front and back is too little. try about 6 pages front and back

>>3038255
someone respond to this

>>3039451
youre acting like 60 hours over 2 months is hard

>>3039413
Read the Stick, do everything and come back, fag

>>3039388
pls respond

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So is it game over if you develop carpel tunnel syndrome?

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2 minutes each. Out of 20 only these looks humanoid. Sigh...

>>3039515
now do this every day for the next three months

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>>3039381
I'm shit but I tried to give some basic advice that would help you improve before you delve into anatomy.

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>>3039515
Try a longer time like 5 mins.

Your gestures look weightless and out of balance. Always make sure to plant the feet and think about how the weight is distributed. Think about how the legs push up on the pelvis and how the arms push up on the shoulders.

>>3039513
Nope, I developed carpal tunnel and guyon's canal in both hands, got surgery after 6 months and it fixed me almost completely. I still get a little pain but only after hours of constant drawing. I usually just take a break or rest my hands in warm water and I'm good to go.

>>3039156
I couldnt get used to the ones with out a display so I bought a 27QHD. I definitely recommend a cintiq, but if your a kid and don't have a job a medium intous is alright if your are scanning in your sketches.

I would also look at your budget and consider options in the middle with a display. Although i have to add that even with a display it does not feel organic like charcoal or paint do.

>>3039523
Anon those gestures are very impressive.

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>>3039526
>>3039513
As a med student the only real management is:
1. Getting a splint
2. Glucocorticoids (injections or oral) - very controversial
3. Surgery because as you can see the carpal tunnel is very narrow

>>3039526
Thats reassuring, I was taking precations when I was practicing and duings studies because that stuff scared me, but unfortunately I didnt take the similar precations at work and It seems Im developing symptoms of it, ( tip of Fingers feeling numb and some pain on them, like If I slapped them really hard), gonna go to the doctor this later this week.

>>3039532
they're Michael Hampton's

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>>3039416

I really want to try drawing lewds, but I'm scared I'll jack off to them right away and feel bad. What do I do?

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>>3039545
Eye too far and mouth too small. Eye should line up with nose. I don't know why I'm trying to fix this, I have no skill or talent and I might be totally wrong. Sorry.

>>3039548
Draw lewds then come to the realization that you cant jack off to your own lewds

>>3039552
But what if I can??

>>3039554
Then do it

>>3039556
But I'll feel so ashamed afterwards...

>>3039513
>>3039526
>>3039537
>splint
Cock-up splints are great to wear at night, but you gotta wear them all the time for the first month or so. One with metal in it will last you a lifetime as long as you keep it clean.

Otherwise, my wrist healed up mostly from physical therapy. They slowly worked out scar tissue and massaged my forearm, then had me do stretches there and at home ( I do them without thinking throughout the day. As I'm driving, while I'm standing around, waiting for food in the microwave, before a fap, after a fap, etc etc). Apart from that, get some light weights (1 or 2 lbs) and do some simple wrist curls to build a little muscle just for support. Also don't forget supination exercises (get a hammer and rotate it as if you're hammering something sideways without moving your arm, just your wrist.)

>>3039538
If your finger tips are getting numb, do some finger stretches. Aka, make the asl hand shape for E, then extend your fingers and repeat like 10 times.

Get some good vitamins in you, B6 and B12 definitely help. Any sort of vitamin that helps joint flexibility. Take frequent breaks, but don't go on /ic/ during your break otherwise it'll take you out of the session.

This is coming from a guy who draws, paints, plays guitar, drums, piano, and bike-riding. CTS got me down for the first two months or so, but after that everything became habitual and the change in lifestyle actually helped tremendously.

>>3039537
I've always wanted to ask a med student this
I crack almost every joint in my body super habitually. My wrists, my elbows, fingers, knees, ankles, entire spine, sternum, toes. All of them, and it's gotten so bad I literally crack them all of the time.

Am I actually harming my body in any way? None of it hurts when I do pop a joint either and I don't lose feeling nor lose any function.

>>3039569
It came up during one of our tutor group sessions where a bunch of med students liked doing it and iirc - no evidence that it causes any harm.

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does it look good? honest critisism please

>>3039569
*
And the studies that https://www.hopkinsarthritis.org/arthritis-news/knuckle-cracking-q-a-from/ on knuckle cracking probably refer to these studies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21383216
Knuckle cracking not associated with osteoarthritis.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2344210
Knuckle cracking is not associated with osteoarthritis could ↓ grip strength however the study authors are silly and didn't exclude people with carpal tunnel syndrome and past surgeries which is really silly.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27846331
Knuckle cracking is not associated with any osteoarthritis but this study describes two case reports (case reports are less reliable because the sample size is literally like one person) where a ligament was teared and a tendon got pulled of the groove http://www.mdedge.com/jfponline/article/114169/musculoskeletal-disorders/does-knuckle-popping-lead-arthritis/page/0/1

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>>3039582
here's my attempt
yours looks pretty good

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>>3039416
I tried drawing the same pic. I feed like you did a lot better than me

>>3039607
How are you so good?

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>>3039582
quick redline for you

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weeee

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-hand is too small
-perspective is wrong
-eyes are too big

>>3039614
looking good

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>>3037979
>>3037980

What books does somebody who's just starting art read for gesture? I know there's a sticky but Loomis doesn't help me much and I can't find a thread where self-taught artists talk about their favorite books. Also, are these any good? :(

>>3039623
I'd suggest Proko's youtube channel. His app, Skelly, is really good too. It's a paid app, but it helped me a lot.

>>3038708
Sounds like my process anon. Except i don't give up on it even if it takes me months. These people saying you need to get to X point and move on....well, you'll just get to that same X point on the next one and not know what to do there either. I've learned more by sticking with it.....using dozens of references if i have to in order to figure things out. It's a slow process but it will hammer shit into your brain and over time it'll get easier.

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I feel that I made ugly and plump a this guy, but maybe it's my imagination (I never like my drawing)

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>>3039617
here is my

>>3039613
<3 thanks man

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how do i hold a pencil appropriately for small details/writing?

currently I hold it similar to pic related and it gets painful very quickly.

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>>3039623
I agree with the above.
You can also download vilppu and hampton's books

>>3039629
literally just read keys to drawing

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>>3039545
So I thought I might help you
First off, let me just say, that I had no idea you were working from a ref. And as such, I totally made an entirely different character and turned it into an entirely different bone structure. When I was doing the redline, I was solely basing it off of what I was looking at. Just bear in mind that I literally had no idea you were working from reference, lol. That was my mistake.

HOWEVER, I still have some good critique. First off, your eyes are slightly too far apart, but they are at the correct angle. The right brow needs to come down in order to match the eye-line. Or, actually, raising the left eyebrow might match the reference better.
Next, her cheekbone is way sharper and higher than the one you have. And look how much you rounded the far side of the face. In the ref, you could simplify that into one graceful line. Her nose it pointing a totally different direction than what you painted. Take a look, the bridge of her nose makes a nice tangent with the far wing. It creates this cool little curve underneath the nose. Actually looking closer, there's this super cool S curve underneath the nose that wraps around the mouth barrel, then fades as it curls around the closer nostril. Just be sure to check the angle that her nose is descending in comparison to yours. In your painting, you have made sure to include the entirety of both nostrils, but in doing so flattened the nose and created the illusion it was going somewhere else.
Your mouth is way too small and at the incorrect angle. And her chin in the ref is actually quite large desu. The lips don't curve away from the face in your painting as they should in the reference. I'm not going to bother with the hand, but just know it's wrong and tiny.

Overall, the eye angle is good, but everything else seems to be angled as her head was level with the ground. It's not, and I'd suggest constructing noses and mouths from ref/imagination at many angles.

>>3039418
Don't just draw to say you did it, analyze your drawings, spot your mistakes and weaknesses and go from there.

I used to just draw shit using references and post on social media to fish for compliments and honestly I did not improve much for years.

I still can't draw from imagination or properly use construction to make a decent drawing, but in the last few months I can see and feel my improvement, sometimes just because I decided to draw 10 boxes a day for a month.

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>>3039637
Beeatch, just hold that shit however feels good. If my wrinkly af hands can do it, so can anyone's.

Unless you don't have hands.
Or fingers.
Or are paralyzed.
-then you get a pass.

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>>3039637
Just use the standard tripod grip :3

>>3039641
I'll try to do a more appropriate redline tomorrow if I remember

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This is not done yet

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bird people...
bird people...
...
beeple?

>>3039652
looks neato

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>>3039582
Your eyes need to be moved down a tad I think.
Mine
https://webmshare.com/jzXjW

>>3039625
I've seen some of his stuff, it's helpful but so obviously incomplete IMO, I'll look through more and see about his app. Thanks! :)
>>3039639
Wow thanks so much for this! Very insightful! Also I've read some of Hampton, I really like it, but Vilp looks REALLY promising. I'll look into more! <3

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Trying to get better with gesture. Stuff still feels too stiff. One thing I struggle with is where to start from when sketching, I try and start from major curves such as the first guy's back (has a long curve from his leg to his hand.)

I also struggle with depicting weight I feel, making them look off.

Any feedback is much appreciated.

Apologies in advance for poor camera quality.

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How do I draw gesture?

>>3039670
>>3039674
EVERYONE WATCH THIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74HR59yFZ7Y

>>3039683
Already did. I must be retarded because it didn't help me.

>>3039582
>>3039666

Holy shit. It's just a front-on view. The head is literally like a rectangle. Can you guys seriously not draw a rectangle with a centerline at the same angle she's tilting her head?
Are you guys really struggling this hard to match angles too? Are you guys incapable of literally lifting the wacom pen and comparing angles right in front of you? It's literally all there. You just have to measure and be super analytical for the first few times to really understand the relationship between features and forms of the face.

>>3039683
same as >>3039686

I've actually watched it numerous times. All I took from it was don't worry too much about proportion, it's more about capturing the movement and general flow of the subject and depicting a believable and fluid idea of what they are doing physically.

Guess I missed something.

>>3039659
Thanks!

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>>3039657
Here's your problem, not enough zoomis

>>3039707
fix the right leg. you made it really linear when in ref. theres a soft curve. also, the leg on the stool is off slightly, and the gap between the foot and the right leg is smaller in the ref.

theres more smaller things i could nitpick but i won't.

>>3039707
Use only 3 values and no blending. Also create shadow-shapes.

The reflected light is messing you up, so just consider everything in shadow a single, even value.

>>3039709
dat booty

>>3039720
are you fat shaming me?
post your work!

>>3039721
I'm the op, ya fat-bootied schmuck!

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>>3039717
Hopefully this helps.
I'm on a phone so the values and shapes suck ass.

The cross hatches indicate good places to introduce a very slight soft edge to indicate turning form.

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>>3039707
This is how I'd render it, painting on top of yours.

>>3039715
>>3039717
>>3039727
>>3039747

thx chums

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>>3037975
First time I ever tried drawing anything in my life other than stick figures. Is there any hope for me to get good if I keep practicing or is it some talent you're born with?

Sorry for NSFW image, no spoiler option.

>>3039761
sorry, but you can't fix bad taste

>>3039764
>not liking petite asians getting wrecked

>>3038593
Who is your reference?
It's a bit scratchy but good, I like the lines. Just keep consciously focusing on the lines until it becomes normal to draw clean lines, try to draw form the shoulder and arm, not the wrist.

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I forced myself to draw something before bed.

>>3039777
that's a nice hand, not so sure about the arm there though.

>>3039775
I used a 3d model from sketchfab, the pose is altered and the head i drew mostly from imagination.

>>3039190
looking back i might have drawn the ribcage to big, that might be the reason why she looks to thin.

>>3038255
someone respond to this

>>3039777
How are you so good anon

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CRIT MY FEET

>>3039828
you don't need critique

do more studies of feet, be self-analytical, and you'll realize you don't need this website for anything

>>3039830
answer the question (and expand on it) then if you dont want to crit

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>>3039828

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I pretty much started learning the fundamentals of drawing digitally a year ago. I've done a few projects after that but now I want to get back to basics, but this time on paper because I've been told that good skills on paper transfer to great skills digitally. So I want to start doing some figure drawings and still life studies on paper.
Shading techniques on paper don't quite "click" in my mind though. Does anyone have a good tutorial or book purely on shading techniques I can apply?

>>3039562
Thanks a lot Anon, any good videos or sites that teach proper hand streaches, I found a few online but don't know if those are proper for someone who draws/writes a lot.

Can anyone crit this turd >>3039602 please? I know it's off and bad but I don't know how

>>3039695
post work

>>3039410
Thanks, I suppose that makes sense. More gesture and construction studies it is.

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>>3037975
>3 hours

send help.

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Goddammit why am i still symbol drawing so fucking bad. I hate myself for not improving enough. Im so mad AHHHHHHHH FUCK

>>3039936
In case it too shitty to tell, this was the reference used
>>3039666

>>3039936
Draw it a few times and then try to trace it if it doesn't work.Continuously flipping the canvas and erasing the bad parts also helps.

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>>3037979
I know my feet and hands are not good I'm gonna start to practice them this weekend.

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>>3037979
Still not good enough but I'm improving gradually.
https://webmshare.com/0KGBx

>>3039961
It's still way easier to draw on SAI that Photoshop. Trying to draw on PS is like trying to stab out my eyes.

>>3039969
Is it really? Master Collection was free cause of school and I don't wanna spend more money after the tablet since I just started at the start of june.

>>3039978
I posted the crack (from cgpersia) I'm using for SAI 2 beta a few threads ago. A cracked version of SAI original has been uploaded everywhere, even deviantart and tumblr.

>>3039858
you have a fucking miracle redline, just digitally overlay them.

>>3039980
got a link to the discord? one in the sticky is dead

>>3039982
if youre talking about the one im in, i fixed the link.

>>3039987
did you update the sticky? because there isnt a link to the /ic/ discord in there right now

>>3039980
not me

>>3039993
the unofficial official i/c discord was removed because of moderator abuse. IE the lead admin appointed a mod who kicked people out of fun and was unresponsive to this matter.

"Communities who fail to have consistent daily activity will be removed. Communities who fail to uphold good moderatorship practice will be removed."

Is the standard I hold the discords to.

>>3039997
fucking lmao, why does some random namenoteventripfag who isnt even good have more power than the moderator of the discord named "/ic/"

>>3040003
You can read my philosophy in the bottom of the sticky. It has been absent for 2 months and they have not requested it to be put back. You can always access it yourself if you have an in. The community is big enough and will not fail, though one of its lifelines has failed. I cannot in good faith promote a community where the admins are malevolent.

The only reason the unofficial official i/c discord got big was because it was first come first served a year back. The majority of the moderators don't even draw anymore.

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What do you guys think?

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I fucking suck

>>3040051
The hell? Do you draw once a month?

>>3040051
I wonder what mine will be line once I reach my first year.

>>3040059
I drew for about a month in 2016, and two months in 2017. Even with just that I should be much better. This is give up level shit though, right? Beyond not going to make it as a pro, I won't even make it long enough to enjoy myself.

>>3039902
I am this guy >>3039641

Fuck off bro

>>3040065
>i am this guy
kek

>>3040064
you drew 3 months out of 2 years and want to go pro. Are you fucking retardeD?

>>3040065
Also accurately measuring angles and proportions is not hard. A lot of beginners just don't use it because either they aren't patient enough or they just don't understand how it works.

All I'm saying is that if beginners can learn this skill easily, you will improve much faster than if you're slowing drawing spheres and loomis heads.
Not knocking on loomis, but being able to closely examine a person's face and to recognize certain relationships between features, in order to represent that specific person on paper, is just as important as everything else.

If you aren't utilizing this fundamental skill, then it will take you much longer to improve. I'm not even joking.

>>3040070
I meant I'll never make it as a pro even if I started working my ass off, relax.

>>3040079
thats not accurate either, assuming 4 hours a day almost anyone can make it within 6 years.

>>3038000
its annoying because you're doing it wrong.
you're not even capturing the poses correctly

>>3038218
Your art is very stylized so you cant ask vague shit like that.

if the person in the red is a woman, the make the face look like a woman.

>>3040051
Trace the face in order to see which part is wrong and try grid method three times on your next face drawings, then try to draw with no guides.

>>3038248
study more breasts

>>3040051
question.
are you using a reference?

>>3040093
unfortunately, yes.

>>3039761
Nobody is born with talent, its just some people are faster than others because they have the ability to understand it better.

I suggest you try drawing an easier picture, because that picture has so many advanced variables that will just set you up for failure.

>>3040065
Faces are not rectangles they are heptagons.

>>3040096
show me

>>3039258
very blocky, round out your linework more, you dont have enough depth.
also very stiff

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>>3040102

>>3040098
Kek nice comeback

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>>3040107
read this image top to bottom

>>3040115
I've done that a few times, and I've read most of keys to drawing and DOTRSOTB. I'm just hopeless.

>>3040118
Just trace a few times until you get it and think about why you are making thoae shapes.

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I was out today and tried to draw and I failed miserably, see attached image. I would really like to become better at drawing landscapes and environments in general. I feel that there are so many things that I need to get better at but I simply do not know how and where to start. Please help me!

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Can anyone recommend a book that deals with foreshortening from imagination? Or a place with just foreshortening references? I'm really struggling putting perspective into my figures

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looking for some general crit/adivce

>>3040147
Really study certain forms on the human body. Practice drawing, say, the isolated form of the deltoid from many different perspectives.
Secondly understand how perspective affects forms. Things get visually smaller, but they aren't actually smaller in reality. Things also begin to overlap when foreshortened.

Thirdly understand you don't have to draw every single muscular form. Know that things get visually overlapped and thus creates a new silhouette in comparison to the silhouette of that same thing in a more basic view. Aka you don't have to draw every single feature/muscle

>>3040118
If you ACTUALLY read it your drawing wouldnt look like that.

Because drawing it piece by piece would create landmarks in the face for you to space it correctly.
BUT in your drawing there are NO LANDMARKS, just a ton of empty space.
You didnt even capture the shading

READ IT.

>>3040180
Your colors are too desaturated.
you need to work on the nose more.
Do not use solid colors for eyes.

The entire head is tilted back but you drew the face straight on, hence why the nose is too long the eyes are too low, the mouth is too low and the ears are too low.

>>3040180
Stop symbol painting.

>>3039627
the point is that if you're struggling with something it's better to study that seperately than spend hours trying to polish shit

>>3040183
Thank you anon!! I don't think I've actually separately drawn other body parts apart from hands and feet for some reason. I will save this advice, thank you!

>>3039637
at arms length only holding the very end of the pencil

>>3040147
post more?

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>>3040303
I think that other anon is right, might just be a case of separating the body and practicing drawing that way.

Everything I draw is just really really flat

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i guess there is no hope for me after all

>>3040355
It's only the first step anon, keep going

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>>3040089
>Make the face look like a woman
I don't understand what you mean by that. Do you mean adding eyelashes. Any way thanks for your thoughts.

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Is this as bad as I think it is. Tfw specially retarded

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any feedback?

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The grind never ends

>>3040355
If it had Picasso's signature on it, it could have sold for millions. Art is a subjective meme.

Bampity bump

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>>3037982
Used SAI 2 beta I don't really feel a difference even at 10x10 since I'm a pleb still.

>>3040191
thanks, yeah that's what I thought. The nose should be shortened, mouth moved up, eyes moved up... all as you say. And do you have any recommendations for brushes to paint eyelashes in procreate?

>>3040193
meme answer, but thanks anyway

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trying to get better at rendering (and making better use of hard vs soft edges as well as color)

i tried to get the hard, shiny, 'iridescent look of the beetle from the ref ('ocala deep digger beetle' on google) i especially need help with that around the highlight areas on the thorax. there seem to be so many minor changes in hue to keep track of.

also, tips for improving workflow? as in, proper steps for rendering? rn i fill in dark colors and improvise from there but that doesn't feel efficient

>>3040759
I don't think you belong in /beg/

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>>3040776
oh

woo it took a year and a half too

>>3040785
Guess I'll hit you with the

Blog? too.

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Retarded question that i'll probably get bullied for:

Why is the side that the light would be touching be darker? Surely the other side of the disk thing would be darker as it's sunk inwards and hidden from the light? That little triangle with the arrows that he drawed is this light source.

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>>3040869
that only happens because of linework, as the concentric circles get closer together it looks like a thicker, darker line. in a rendered piece that wouldn't happen.

u should also consider that black-and-white lineart often sacrifices accurate shading for clarity with regards to edges.

>>3040839
doublejumpcancel.tumblr.com

updates are sporadic and it's mostly reblogs, i'm working to change that tho :D

or instagram.com/doublejumpcancel

Can anyone recommend me lectures on mouth and eyes?

>>3040465
No one? Pls help with skirt

>>3040929
thank u for ur help