/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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I'm using Line of Action website to practice figure/gesture drawing (not sure if they are even the same, although they sound like they are).
I'm doing it the way Vilppu said, however doing a 30 minute class where I have to copy a pose in 15 seconds seems like a waste of time if I'm not actually doing anything.
So is this correct or not?

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WTF am I doing wrong? Why does she look like a potato?!!

>>3023341
Because you made her look like a potato, there is no magic trick to it.

Can anyone please recommend some good digital coloring tutorials?
Or maybe a better question would be: do I need to understand coloring IRL to proceed to digital? do I start with grayscale tones? and if so, how do I even get started on that?

>>3023337
Your question is a mess. Any practice is better than no practice, personally I find figure drawing to help my observation skills a lot, though I tend to do too much contour which I'm working to fix right now.

You seem to chicken scratch too much. Even Vilppu when he does a billion lines he's not chicken scratching.

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How do you draw/depict abs with lines before shading for drawing

Or is it best to just rely on shading and light to draw abs

>>3023349
>abs on women
>disgusting
>saves to ref folder anyway.

>>3023349
oh to answer the quesetion, i would do an outline sort of to know the area then go over it with light and shade.

>>3023349
Do the same as when you draw noses, dinosaurs, dicks, or anything else. Apply whichever process works for you best, there aren't special techniques for each unique object in the universe.

I'd very lightly line out the shapes so shading is easier. No point in limiting yourself to drawing with shades only, as long as your initial lines are erased later on, they can only help.

>>3023349
Shading, its the only way. Line arted abs almost never look good from any angle shot. Only major muscle groups can do without adding depth

>>3023359
He said before shading, so he prob didn't mean line art. That's what I assumed anyway.

>>3023371
Youre probably right

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>>3023341
holy fucking kek

>>3023379
What's the Dalai Lama's stance on masturbation? Is it bad? He's celibate himself, i know that much.

>>3023346
Ctrlpaint.net or some shit

Loomis circle heads are fucking impossible, what the fuck with those cheeks.

>>3023324
Yay, made it to the OP image.

best book/guide for feet?

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how are my forms

>>3023341
use a reference

>>3023341
you already know this is the next op

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Very new, just been drawing daily(mostly) for the past few months, what can I improve on?

>>3023512
Look up anatomy my dude
The poor dude's left arm's been spaghettified and his wrist was broken.

>>3023512
what in the hell were you studying for those past few months

or were you just doodling because that's what it's looking like

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Is it even possible to learn how to draw without going to art classes?

>>3023517
yes, if you arent a bitch and you read the right books.

>>3023512
let me guess, 7 minutes every day?

>>3023519
right books?
The sticky?

>>3023521
loomis, hampton, villpu, etc
sticky has some good stuff. also check out 4+4chan loomis' sticky

>>3023521
what do you think?

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u_u

>>3023517

Of course but its easier and perhaps more efficient for most to take the class. Start with human anatomy, it actually covers lot more about drawing in general than just it. Some say its all you need even.

>>3023499
need answer

>>3023522
>>3023542
Thanks

>>3023547
You most likely have two.

>>3023555
i'll just break my leg upwards so i can look at it from more than 1.5 angles then shall i? also providing reference although necessary is not equal to teaching a method.

Where yo start, loomis or dotrsitb/ktd
Are the later really necesary to have down before leatning construction?

>>3023562
To*
Learning*

>>3023562
the latter are mainly for breaking bad habits and giving you the encouragement of knowing that you can now draw what you see

>>3023419
He probably wouldn't be a fan, since its a distraction from achieving enlightenment and shit like that. There's probably worse stuff as far as he's concerned, though

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Trying to get better at values.
Please help.

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Kinda fucked the hands and gave up on shading the legs after half a day spent on them but yeah. Biggu bossu

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>>3023326
I tried. Did I do anything right Anons?

>>3023654
>filename
ree

>>3023662
oh ye lol oops
That's what happens when you don't sleep

>>3023661
read the sticky

>>3023609
you seem afraid of using pure black.

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>>3023502
I used a reference, this photo

>>3023503
pls no

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>>3023721
well, you might have opened up a reference image, but you are very clearly not following it.

stop symbol-drawing.

>>3023503
top kek
I love /beg/

Hey does anyone know of any quick warm ups that can get you back to your level after not drawing for a couple of days?

>>3023733
>couple of days
you'll be fine, just do what you normally do.

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>>3023724
This explains everything
Should I fix my painting or move over to something else?

>>3023535
Awful pose and awful composition

>>3023792
start a new canvas, mirror the reference image horizontally, draw the image, mirror the resulting picture again, compare with what you drew before, enjoy results.

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Why does my brain melt when trying to draw a non-generic pose in perspective? Got any tips?

>>3023792
Maybe redo it from scratch

>>3023796
Maybe cause you don't truly grasp the anatomy

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Is the drawabox a good start, or you guys recommend something else?

>>3023815
>using any tutorials at all
it's like you actually want to put yourself in a box

>>3023816
So what should I do? Just draw instinctively?
I know that if I will be to attachted to tutorials, I will not move forward, but if I have a good attitude towards them, they can be good guide-posts

When beginning to learn tone is it still worthwhile to practice pressure gradients if you only work digitally?

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some advice ?

>>3023827
That's what I do, but don't listen to me, I'm just a shit-poster.

>>3023836
With faces, no matter how much they're in shadow, always check your relation to each feature. Look at where your ear is compared to the photo. Even the tiniest bit off and it can change the whole structure because we see draw comparative to other landmarks on the face.

It's coming along, though.

>>3023815
doing literally anything related to drawing > doing nothing at all

if you have no other ideas of your own on where to start, just do whatever gets you going. drawabox is a decent choice and if you feel it doesn't work out, do something else

also read the fucking sticky

>>3023837
Well, from every answer, man can pull out some value, even if the answer is comming from shitposter.

>>3023562
Read about symbol drawing then download vilppu.

>>3023839
Thank you for taking your time to critique me! I can see it now. And now that you mention it , not only the ear , but also the head itself is wider .

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Made this shit when i was 15 yo
cringe

>>3023861
I'm glad you're receptive, you have a good idea of what to do, just always remember there's a structure under all that shadow.

If you're ever feeling stuck, always flip your image. Practice makes everything easier.

>>3023836
fix that jaw boi

>>3023836
stick to using bigger brrushes and save the small brushes for fine detail. Always go big to small, remember that

>>3023341
because there's shadows but not sense of deep. Study more!

>>3023654
that snake looks too punished

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5th week of the Vilppu fig drawing course, how am I doing? Also how do I learn to shade?

Any crits? I'm mostly focusing right now on form and how shapes "glue" together, also on the push and pull of the flesh I guess.

I highly appreciate any feedback.

>>3023868

How old are you now? Post your current work.

>>3024011
left arm is too wide
5 weeks.

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>>3024014
>5 weeks.

what did he mean by this

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>>3024011
This one too, ignore the drappery.

>>3024058
come on, you should clearly see it

is there anywhere else beginners can post their art? posting here never helps, no constructive feedback, only shitposting.

>>3024082
>>>/trash/
most beginner stuff fits right in there

>>3024082
posting here only helps if you actually want to improve, plus ive always thought this general was useless since self criticism is easy especially at such a basic level.

>>3023341
jesus christ what are you doing my man
actually LOOK at the picture, don't just fuckin guess it, u gotta flick ur eyes back and forth like every .2 seconds. u think ur doing it, but ur not. get that shit in check
MEASURE spaces, like that fuckin mouth jesus
what is the background?? whys the ear blue???? is the lighting blue?? I HAVE NO IDEA
get rid of those colour and paint in black and white for now, until ur values are down. it's clear to me ur focusing WAY too much on what colours should go where and how they should blend rather than thinking about actual form

ull get there bud, just keep practicing
get rid of that ref though and get one with clear forms defined, they usually have really harsh lighting coming from only one direction

>>3024082
This. Like how do you even "critique" something like this >>3024058 ? If this guy posted a question with this like "these arms feel off but i cant tell what exactly is wrong? Can someone point it out?" you can help him but other wise there is nothing to say, the dude who drew this should be able to plainly see that it doesn't look like his reference so what does he need me to tell him for? Draw it again it will look better this time around then draw it again and it will look even better what else is there to say?

>>3024082
What the fuck could you have possibly posted that you didn't get constructive criticism?

>>3024109
constructive criticism? No I want a hug box!
Please tell me my art is good, daddy hits me.

>>3024033
Dunno why he's being a little shit but no one is gonna draw a perfect human figure after 5 weeks. People that have been drawing for years still fuck up, even pros like Murata admittedly fuck up proportions every now and then, never mind that retard, you're doing well.

Work on:
Your observation skills. If you're drawing from reference I'd bet anything his ass doesn't really look that weird, his torso isn't that long, his left shoulder is too far out.
Your hands and feet, don't ignore them.

Your female drawing looks better IMO, but her neck looks too wide, and her arm that is holding the mantle looks robotic and awkward, work on the elbow. Her belly button also doesn't seem to be centered, maybe the shapes around it give that impression.

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>>3023329
Failed to capture his likeness, but I'm still happy that it looks like a passable human. Some self critique:
- the angle on the forehead is off (makes it look swollen)
- the tip of the nose is a bit too big and droopy
- the jawbone is way off and throws the whole face off
- the right iris and pupil is too big
- placement-wise, most features seem to be where they are supposed to, though
- trying to draw hair with a pen + graphite pencil with no knowledge of rendering textures is a massive waste of time

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rate

>>3024114
>People that have been drawing for years still fuck up
When walking through museums, I always like to look at sketches and such and look for those little faults. Old masters still fucked their shit up sometimes and it's fun to see that they too are just human.

>>3024115
I think it's really that fucked up jawbone and that weirdly shaped ear. If you block out those features, it looks much better.

>>3024117
4/10
need to feel the forms more, and check more on the face measurements

>>3023654
this is really good.

>>3024117
sharpen your pencil goddamn

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Hey guys, I have a question about learning to illustrate figures from imagination. What's the ratio between practicing gestures, 5 min drawings, full renders, and drawing from imagination?

If I want to improve my sketching skill, would it be more gestures and quick poses from imagination more than fully rendered figures? What would be of most benefit to practice?

>>3024117
the face is too scary. the ass is a blob.

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>>3024115
This is really good, keep at it

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AAAH

I'm sorry for being a weeaboo with the body but it is contextual

>>3024147
What do you want critiqued specifically?

>>3024139
So to add depth to a subject like this it's all about shading and rendering, right? Any good resources I should check out on the subject?

Thanks a lot for the pointers.

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Can anyone help me with vanishing points of rotated objects?

In pic related I need to place the second red VP, but because I don't know the exact location of the blue VPs, I cant place it accurately. I know one solution is to actually see the vps, but sometimes they're too far away to accurately judge.

Am I just supposed to guess its location based on what looks right, or is there a better trick?

>>3024159
>shading and rendering, right?
Yes, if you try to do it with line art you're going to make your character look like an old man

For resources i would check out the drawing book thread or going to your local library and checking out some of the modern "drawing and painting" books. Anything you learn about painting can be applied to pen and pencil drawings when shading honestly.

>>3024163
https://mega.co.nz/#!yEVH0RzI!hExkmbL9WTEV20aI10De7q9J4rf3t3A6uluz4cT9FbM

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Is this any good as far as gesture drawing practice goes?
I know that practice > no practice, but I want to be sure that I'm not wasting my time doing exercises wrong.

>>3024174
It looks like good practice to me
Draw one good line, instead of making a thick bad one out of multiple

>>3024131
Do line quality exercises from drawabox/Scott Robertson/Peter Han, your drawing radiates with trying too hard to have clean lines, when it should come out of you more naturally.

To address your concerns
>What would be of most benefit to practice?
Whatever you're not very good at.
If your figures are stiff, do more gestures. Research them, watch Karl Gnass or Vilppu on yt or read Hampton's book (whose explanation of gesture is top notch), same for construction, anatomy etc.
>What's the ratio
Partially answered above.
Do quick poses to warm up your muscles, then analyze some more complicated pose or an individual body part. Then put it all together and make something finished.

The most important thing, more important than ratio or a specific practice, is being deliberate.
Listen to Steve Huston on this topic, starts at 1:04:07
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7J5Zr9JsPk

>>3024179
If its square VP2(1) and VP2(2) are the same distance away from from each other as VP1(1) and VP1(2).

>>3024109
This makes no sense, even on figure drawing people don't tell you to copy exactly your reference, they tell you to exagerate the pose and things like that, isn't that critique? Like "you didn't accentuate the pose" or even something like "this looks good, it seems you're getting the hang of figure drawing".

Drawing isn't just copying, if you see some masters drawing sometimes it doesn't even look all that much like the ref, but on the drawings you can really feel the flow and movement of the pose.

Also a lot of other critiques can be made, this is a /beg/ thread ffs, people should be judged on /beg/ matters.

Is his proportion right? His shading? Does it look like light is coming from his ass?

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>>3024115
Okay, so I'm still beg too but from what I can tell, you are not yet showing the depth and form of the head.

The head is a box like volume. In this case, there's the front and side plane. Your drawing looks a little flat in comparison and didn't incorporate the volume.

So here the light is hitting the corner of those planes so that should be the lightest area. Then there is a gradation of value as the planes of the head turn away from the light.

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>>3024013
18yo profile portrait
still cringed

>>3024198
can you draw anything else besides portraits?

>>3024173
All it says is that the horizon line stays the same, it doesnt mention how the new vanishing points are determined.

It all just seems like guess work still

>>3024189
>they tell you to exaggerate the pose and things like that, isn't that critique?
No thats an opinion, "your drawing isn't fat enough for my liking" is not a worthwhile critique. Why don't you post your work and ill explain why I didn't critique it

>>3024202
>>3024188

>>3024183
Awesome. Thanks for the great info! I will try these out.

>>3024198
ma koreh

>>3024114
Thanks a lot mate, I see the shoulders.

I'll work harder on those observational skills.

>>3024194
Great stuff, I'll try to keep this in mind for next time.

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>>3024163
Assuming your boxes have right angles, you need to draw those 90 degrees out of perspective and project them back in.

First find the horizon line, then use those two points to find the stationary point - SP is out of perspective, so from there you can rotate and project any angle.
Scott Robertson explains all this stuff.

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>>3024201
Yes
naturemorte 14 yo

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>spent most of my life trying to draw hot anime girls
>even work from human references and try to hotify them
>suddenly can't stop thinking about having children and raising a loving bundle of happiness and give it all the support in the world
>draw the cutest baby I've ever done without a reference that makes the mother look like an alien
This is how mother nature did it

>>3024230
Are you getting older by chance?

>>3024230
I hope you will die a virgin

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>>3024218
Yes, this is exactly what ive been working with. But when you move the horizon line severly up, doing that breakdown you did becomes a challenge (pic related). How would I find the vanishing points of this here red box?

The vanishing points are so far away the lines are almost parallel. Id have to zoom super far out to even attempt to find the horizon

>>3024230
>that babys nose
Oy vey, the chem trails are working! Do you feel like you also suddenly want to donate to your local holocaust museum?

>>3024230
glad this will never happen to me because i already had a kid when i was really young lol.

>>3024237
>donate to your local holocaust museum
Just paying tax is pretty much the same thing

>>3024231
>>3024232
Turn 21 this year, I've gotten laid many times by my steady bf, I have a stable job, just need a god damn house to raise the kid in. Apparently this is satisfying enough for my hormones to want to settle down.
>logic tells me to wait until I have enough money to buy an apartment and finish college
>vagina tells me to kidnap every child in a radius of 15 km

>>3024238
How old and is it a boy or girl

>>3024244
boy

>>3024244
i had mine at like 15 or 16 , he is 14 now.

>>3024245
>>3024246
I was looking for the answer '11-year old girl'
Today I saw a really cute girl, I almost felt like crying

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>>3023868
>>3024198
>>3024226
why you posting in the beginner thread man

>>3023512
>what can I improve on?

https://youtu.be/R92JzZ8-EQY?t=2

>>3024241
Its not enough goy, 22 million!

>>3024242
dont have kids in a gay house

>>3023609
can you post the ref? it looks v study-able

>>3024235
Eh, I don't feel like drawing another one with my mouse.

The principle is the same, you can either zoom out really far or help yourself with some gimmicks. Those include
>3D
>draw the first version, use transform tool to tilt it
>don't draw the converging lines and just visualize the VP's location
>software perspective guides (Lazy Nezumi, Krita)
>freehand it
The last two are especially recommended. If you practice the easier distortion, you'll get a sense of space that will get you through most stuff through estimation.

>>3024271
Damn, that's what I expected. I was really hoping there was some way to get it accurate without using those approaches. Well, thanks anyways. I appreciate you taking the time to reply!

>>3024276
Maybe there is, I'm just sayin what I know.

If you have a grid, you could also draw an ellipse onto that grid and rotate the box within that, I've seen Krenz, Vandruff and even Scott do that, though I don't like doing that one.
Really, just read Scott's How to draw, it's an excelent book and the chapter about setup and grids answers all this stuff.

>>3024282
I've actually read all that stuff from those books and am currently studying krenz's methods. I find the ellipse method to take a really long time. Watching krenz's videos and seeing him freehand a perspectively accurate scene without guidelines, makes me think there is something im missing.

I've spent that last two days trying to reinvent perspective to see if there's a way to accurately map objects without leaving the picture frame, and as of now i've determined these artists are just really good guessers :/

>>3024198

It's good. Why Cringe? You seem to know your stuff.

>>3024290
Ah and when I say krenz isnt using guidelines, i meant guidelines that run all the way to the VP. A lot of his scenes are self contained in a cube floating in space.

>>3023796

The way you have drawn it, that chair seat is not a square.

>>3024011

Look at the anatomy of the torso & waist, but make sure your references are head to toe figures. Your anatomy pieces aren't integrated.

>>3024117

Practice white to grey to black gradients more. Lip edges are only that black when white ppl are wearing black lipstick.

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How do I make a realistic tree? How do I make a drawing that looks "okay" at a distance actually look "okay" up close? Is it more shadow variety?

>>3024198
>>3024226

>beg

you clearly had an art education from a young age herschel

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>tfw you try so much your best and stay tough for so long but your drawings never get any better

>>3024323
what does herschel means?

>>3024324
But why haven't you given up? Why are you still here?

>>3024330
or should i say levi?

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>>3024339
I just want to draw my waifu (no NSFW, im not gonna turn her into some slut cumdump like everyone else apparantly wants treats their waifu)

Im also a lonely 24yr old virgin with no job, friends and no girl will ever like me.

My lack of connection with people is what brought me to drawing, all I wanna do is draw her, im always alone and my brain has become perfectly fine with the thought of settling with 2D for the rest of my life.

Not gonna post my waifu as I would prefer to keep her to myself (Yes im possesive and very protective of her, I dont want someone to drop a rule34 on her)

>>3024343
????

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how do flesh bags work?

ive been studying them for a long time but i cant wrap my head around them

>>3024348
what an autistic thing to read

how much do you study a day? post your work (and not of your retarded 2D "wife")

>>3024360
They're like socks with a heavy rock inside them.
Some socks are shorter than others.

>>3024348
If something as asinine as a waifu is your art goal, you were never meant to make it.

>>3024324
keep drawing, pussy

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>>3024360
alright cleaning up the lines added a lot of clarity to the form. i even rendered it out a little bit. not so much of a mystery now

>>3024348
Dude, you have 24 hours a day to practice, I'll take no excuses and I'll shit on your waifus mouth if you don't make it.

I am gonna make it and I'm gonna find out who your waifu is and I will make her lick hairy dirty nigger assholes if you don't improve.

You have literally one goal on life, keep practicing.

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My first time trying to sculpt what do you guys think?

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>>3024371
Sorry about the side ways pic

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>>3024371
>>3024375

>>3024348
Got a blog where I can follow and be your friend? You're gonna make it.

When you first started figure drawing and gestures how long until you 'got' it.

I'm struggling to do gesture poses because its supposed to be very few lines capturing the motion but... ugh.
help

>>3024379
Do it 10,000 times and then come back and tell me how you're doing.

I've never drawn figures before, only portraits. Should I start by only drawing nude models?

Where do I start from scratch with figure drawing, anyway?

>>3024382
Just draw figures and better understand them through the things described in hampton's book such as gesture and anatomy.

>>3024382
vilppu

>>3024295
He's obviously an attention whore.

>>3023815

It's a start and it's free. Just go through it once if you want. Or if you don't trust the founder of that site you can follow Peter Han book. Most of what Drawabox teaches is from Peter Han.

There's a PDF of it somewhere in /IC/. Do understand that the exercise for basic shapes is just suppose to be an exercise. You don't have to be to draw perfect circle or boxes to move on to the next lesson.

You just need to understand what the exercise is for. Drawing circle, lines, ovals is for motor control. Drawing boxes allows you to see object in 3D and understand basic perspective.

Most people have a hard time to understand it unless they do it again and again. That's why they have 200 - 500 boxes challenge.

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I took a break from drawing for like 2-3 months cause of general depression slump. Getting back into things recently. Goal was not really to photocopy this but just to get the general shape/forms idk. Anyways what does /ic/ think?
>>3024371
its not the greatest photo/angle desu its hard to tell if good or not.

>>3024389
How are you so good? You been drawing long?

Dropbox is a shit and my free space expired recently.
I use a cheap android tablet to store and use reference photos and guides while working, as well as read art books. Whats a similar alternative with lots of free space?
inb4 /g/

>>3024397
>not using drive

>>3024389
Im 26 been drawing on and off since I was like 14? 15? Ive never taken it seriously or really want a job drawing. Its just something I enjoy doing as a hobby.

>>3024401
But despite not taking it seriously, you studied right?

>>3024404
yeah id draw things I have trouble with (hands feet etc) over and over, I still struggle with them and whenever I dont know what to draw ill go do little studies like that were ill draw them out like 10-15 times. Ive also done life drawing in college and when I have the time to go to nearby one time sessions. But I wouldnt say that Ive done in depth studies like muscle groups or lighting.

>>3024394
i hope you get better standards some day

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day one absolute greenhorn to art here

will spending thousands of hours mastering technique, composition, and lighting finally get me a gf/bf?

>>3024414
Yeah it does actually.

>>3024414
yes

Chicks love it if you can draw them like Leo could from Titanic. I swear theyre all wet for that scene.

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>>3024415
tell me more mister

>>3024420
It's not as easy as you think it is, but you won't know until you've done it yourself.

>>3024420
People are attracted towards passionate people. If you are good enough at drawing people will notice, you will gain attention, you will climb up in the social chain. When you are appreciated and noticed by society, women want your dick.

No one likes someone who has no interest and no hobbies and doesn't really love anything just lives life without passion or direction. People who have drive and goals and dreams and imagination are interesting.

There are plenty of weeaboos who sleep with other hot weeaboo cosplayer chicks. Usually they have a big passion for they hobby and are not ashamed of it.. and drawing is 100 times more respectable than being a weeb, and artist girls are usually a lot hotter than weeb girls.. so yeah, it's gonna help you get laid.

>>3024428
i kinda had the same line of thinking in mind, thanks for the advice. more motivation to pick up the pencil.

>>3024434
that's exaggeration right? having someone who will nag, distract, and annoy you is not the only reason you're committing yourself to art?

what else do you want to get out of drawing?

Why is it so hard to draw with a pencil compared to a tablet? I always end up making my drawing so messy with lead.

>>3024443
It means you draw messy on digital.

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>>3023331

Study in progress...

Really need sleep right now... Probably fucked up something but I cant see it.

>>3024438
i have other reasons, but im just curious as to how itd affect me in the eyes of people i have crushes on

Can someone lend me their art skills for a while? I promise I'll give it back.

When practicing in your sketchbook, do you prefer to use pencil or pen?

>>3024446
You fucked up the left eye position, perspective, etc.
There's something wrong with the eyebrows too.
And those lips are fat compared to source, but I like them.
It's pretty good in general.

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>>3024401
>drawing on and off

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wip

Are there any good exercises for drawing skulls?

>>3023836
the forehead is a little shorter in your version, try and match the silhouette more closely
the values are very nice, and like the other anon said, you can go back with a smaller brush and clean things up some if you want to

>>3024480
Step 1 get a skull
Step 2 get a good look at it
Step 3 draw it

>>3024485
Do I rob my local cemetery?

>>3024488
No way that's too much work. Just hit up a store.

Am I supposed to construct all my drawings with pencil before going over it in pen? When can I just start with pen?

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Anything in particular I need to work on? Sorry bout the notebook paper

>>3024499
you're 100% symbol drawing

>>3024499
The eyes look dopey. Im thinking its because of the size/shape differences?

>>3024504
Well shit. Back to the *drawing* board. Ba dim tss

>>3024499
please dont draw me anymore, thank you.

>>3024509
In my defense, you weren't supposed to find out.

>>3024499
Welp, I mean, you are trying but you need to work on pretty much everything.
If you are serious about it try this thread
>>2999582
Your idea about the human face is pretty good though. But, you need to work on your line work, the form, thinking in three dimensions... Etc.

>>3024516
Thanks for the advice, I'll go check that out.

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>Anything in particular I need to work on?
when will this meme end

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>>3024523
>getting better at art
I want summer fags to leave.

>>3024560
>tfw didn't leave and got better

anyone have a link to the discord?

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Help!, My brother and sister said it's shit. but in my eyes they're not shit. also, their comments are too vague so I don't know what went wrong.
I need your help guys

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>>3023330
>Expected cotillard
>Got MtF Geralt from the witcher

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>>3024348
this guy is form of true artist
must have make it. i will get a same situation in few month

>>3024582
well, its not shit, the rendering is good, but the anatomy feels off. like weird off, but i don't think im versed enough to tell you whats off about it, take this to the draw thread and ask there. or wait for somebody who knows more than me to take a crack at it.

the rendering is pretty damn good, so it really isn't shit, maybe your siblings are just trying to make you try harder. so you become a better artist?

>>3024583
the jaw recedes, it doesnt jut out. the eyes dont curve down they are straight across. the nose doesnt curve so much, its straight ish. the chin is not pointy sycra its more oval shaped and the forehead is not that short and box shaped. you need to take time to look at what youre drawing. i know, i have a really bad time trying to get proportions right. keep practicing.

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before i start grinding from reference, is this construction form good enough or is there a better one? no-one answered when i asked for books earlier so i had to make it myself

What is the secret to drawing fast?
Whenever I try short gestures my proportions are extremely off.

>>3024583
Start by sketching the general masses forming the head and don't run into detail except when the proportions and positions are just right. You won't have to do this when you learn how the human figure works, but you have to do it right now because you don't seem to have a very good idea.
It looks like you're drawing lines and symbols at random points in your screen. That face looks like a juxtaposition of the ideas you have of what a nose, eye, lips and wrinkles are without any intention of constructing a head.
It doesn't seem like you are actually trying to express a head, it looks like you are forcing your ideas into your drawing; and that's why you are not getting anything right. Try to actually visualize what you want to draw before drawing it. Every line counts.

>>3024600
Drawing a lot. Like for years.

>>3024602
Well shit. Better get started.

>>3024593
if its a foot. youre good to to go, but there are better ways to onstruct a foot. yours isnt horrible, but its def not great.

>>3024605
link to better ways?

>>3024588
Well I know they don't mean anything harmful. yeah but the problem is I don't know what's wrong that is really frustrating. Man an artist is truly their own worst critic.

>>3024582
Your siblings sound like assholes.
The only glaring fault I see is how the head is being supported. It looks odd, you might want to try doing it all over. Something is not right with it. The cleavage looks stiff too.
Everything else is really nice. Maybe some small detail here and there.

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>>3023349
not the original anon that posted this, but I tried, any feedback is welcome

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How do the vehicles look?

>>3024608
i cant find any rn. just look at a foot in different angle and think simple shapes.

>>3024625
that doesnt help, obviously.
if you have seen the better ways, tell me where you saw them, if you have heard there are, tell me where you have heard they are.

>>3024618
seems like you got a pretty good grasp of what vehicles look like. look up scott robertson on youtube he has good videos on stuff like this.

>>3024618
Blog? Like your shit.

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>>3023329
>>3023330
>>3023331

>>3024646
Pretty sure i already crit you in the /i/ thread, nice 007 golden eye face

>>3024369
You're a good person, anon.

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>>3024601
>>3024590
Thanks friends the 2nd time was a bit better.

>>3024618
leave beg.

>>3024611
>>3024611
thanks for the input, hopefully I can do better next time.

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Why can I only kinda sorta draw cartoons? A few more years of study and I'll finally be able to do hands. I can't fucking draw from life.

Any tips for making comfy-esque compositions?

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>>3023330

>>3024758
circles

>>3024756
you can't draw from life because you probably arent trying

if you want to have serious improvement, drop the tumblr style and read keys to drawing

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procrastination doodles

>>3024787
how can you be so shit and yet pull off stuff like top right?

>>3024789
lel

>>3024618
You're almost ready to get out of here. God speed anon

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I drew some girl I know as Wednesday Addams.

>>3024796
You need to read a google doc I know as the sticky.

>>3024789
a sexual fetish for noses as I'm sure you can relate

>>3024798
you expect me to read?

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>>3024618
How did you get so good at drawing poses? Can you tell me your learning method?
pls

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Ktd first exercise

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>>3024618
>>3024856
rspnd pls

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Anyone else tried drawing gestures from a music video?
It makes sense, 'cause you're listening to the same music that influences the movement you're looking at, and you have no more than a couple seconds, as they are constantly moving.
>Pic related
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gO_lxThc1M

>>3024123
If it's just a straight up copy from a reference image does it still stay good?

Anons what the fuck is wrong with me? Why can't I into imagination and draw cool creative shit like everyone else? Everyone's drawing vehicles, wizards, hentai and all sorts of cool shit meanwhile I can't do anything other than copy from references. Should I just off myself now?

>>3024871
You gotta be more patient. Maybe check back in a couple hours, or tomorrow.
Though I don't see anything special about those, it looks like a merge of Hampton's and Krenz's approach.

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>>3024756
With hands for cartoons, you can do sorta what I do. Draw a square, then circles for the knuckles, and connect the tangents of the circles with curved lines. I'm at work, with only a mouse and MS paint, so this is the best I can do with limited time and resources to demonstrate. Sorry.

>>3024891
also, don't forget the slight "webbing" between fingers

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>>3024891

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>>3023324
so how the fuck i can improve? planning to start doing ecchi weekly

>>3024908
even if you improve technically your aesthetic taste will still be shit

>>3024916
requester wanted it on this style

>>3024151
Sorry for the late reply, but i really don't know. I'm still a beginner and nothing looks wrong to my eyes. If someone could point somewhere i could improve that'd be great.

>>3024916
Aesthetic taste improves are you improve technically and acquire a more diverse and accurate visual library.

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>>3023983
Aight, I think I'm done. How can I avoid slanted faces in future? Should I just use a straight edge to make parallel lines to place the features

>>3024908
draw real bodies first. copy from references. pay attention to and put more time into your lines. don't use airbrush all the time. never use a lasso tool or something to fill up colors, or at least don't make it so obvious. (I'm talking about the blue cloth thing where you can clearly see each pixel on the edges)
What is the blue thing on her hand? Draw things like they really look (=use references).

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First attempt at painting a still life study. How do I improve my brushwork? I'm trying to follow ctrlpaint's advice regarding blending and things like that, but i can't seem to grasp the basics of brushwork.

>>3024616
Looks pretty good to me, nice study. Maybe not use as much black and play more with dark greys?

>>3024760
You messed up her eyes a little bit and it kinda killed the angle and failed to capture her likeness, but it's looking good. Her right eye would be smaller and a bit farther out, notice how her eyelashes don't point "upwards" cause it's not a frontal view, they spread outside her face.

Also the light shadow you added on her cheek is kinda killing the roundness in her face. She looks too skinny.

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the adventure continues

>>3024998
Nice lines and curves but why'd you stab her beautiful, small and gentle bellybutton?

>>3025002

i was trying to define the center of her abdomen at the same time as drawing her belly button and i guess i went a little overboard

>>3025000

Something about the way you did her right hip looks a little off, it looks like she's got a bump for her belly.

Besides that it's quite good, well done.

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trying Tarkovsky's frame into oil painting.

>>3025007
Black for the bellybutton, grey for defining. You've been using grey for all the other shadows, that one really sticks out.

I really like her face. There's something off about her titties, I can't really tell what. I think you can make them a tiny bit bigger and the right tit should kinda curve towards her shoulder to appear round, not go towards the center. They are not male pecs, they are tits, they don't meet in the center.

Her hair should also be "bigger". Maybe add some of those little line-shadows you do on the arm/hand holding the weight down? Try to make it feel heavy. That also made me notice her right shoulder, it seems relaxed in your drawing, it seems tense in the reference.

Also that part of her side-belly or whatever that goes out a little bit, notice in the ref how the point where it furthest goes out is exactly where the bellybutton is, while in your drawing it is below it.

Anyway, I really dig your style, you made her look really sexy, although the overly simplified shadows prevent you from giving highlights and stuff.

>>3025020
Meant her left shoulder, our right.

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>>3025020

I think the issue with the arm might be that it's a little too thin and a little too curvy, and also that it should look like it's pressed closer to her rib cage. I'm thinking it might help to draw a line where the weight is pulling down during the gesture stage and work around that.

Thanks for all of the input, back to the grind.

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>>3024147
try not to go crazy with the hair next time
and dont just draw the neck under the chin
it has to actually look like it connected to the head

>>3025000

That's really good anon, how long have you been at it? Bleg?

Is using a grid to draw from photos a beginner's only technique or is that just how it's done?

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>>3025000
stop drawing things that arent there
you dislocated the shoulder
destroyed her right elbow and forearm

I circled what doesnt exist in the reference
when you draw with a reference you need to stop drawing with your brain and draw with your eyes

>>3025000
Can you post the orginal?

>>3024868
Wut do u guys think

>>3024908
study more anatomy, it looks like you understand how a human body shape is suppose to look like

but you dont full understand how its suppose to bend.
also lower file size

>>3025050
>drawing from reference = exact one-to-one copy
Are you one of these famed know-nothings that insists on redlining that I've heard so much about?

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>>3025052

>>3025050
Can you be my personal teacher? You seem good at redlining.

>>3025066
He's not wrong; her shoulder looks considerably fucked up.

>>3025083
if you have anything you need help with, i can try to help you.
idk how to go about being a personal teacher tho, i still have stuff i need to learn

>>3025037
Alright, i'll pay more mind to the measurement of things now. I always get that shit wrong.

How do I think in forms?

>>3023815
Grind on the first two or three lessons. The real value of draw a box won't become clear for a long ass time because if you lack the ability to apply these skills to reference images it'll all be for nothing.

I say do the practices for a few months while focusing more on something like Loomis (if you want to work on construction) or Keys to Drawing (if you want to work on sight drawing).

>>3025101
Forms are literally legos, anon. And if you haven't played with legos then I'm sorry for you.

>>3024348
Keep pictures of your waifu above you when you work. Study hard in the hopes of one day realizing her true form. Do It For Her, anon.

>>3025066
the problem isnt drawing it exactly like the reference
the problem is they made it different from the reference,

they didnt capture the image and just made it something else.
thats fine if he just needed to copy the pose and drew an anime face but they didnt even draw the pose correctly.

>>3024871
Sorry for the late response. Posted then went to bed.
Other anon was right. I spent a lot of time studying Hampton and Krenz.

I'd say learn perspective first then learn proportions and the basic shapes of the body. This way you can place them however you want. Correct anatomy can come later but you should definitely learn it as you go. It really depends on what you want to draw.

>>3024803
you just read his reply didnt you?

>>3023324
Here's a question. The last time I posted in this thread with a very poorly done reference image I was told to move towards Keys to Drawing. I finally got around to downloading it (employment's a bitch, I'm planning on waking up earlier later on so that I have more time in the day to draw), is it worth it to plug in like a month or so grinding through it? I'm still doing the Draw a Box Lesson 1/2 exercises because my lines are still shit-tier, but I feel like I can't progress to Lesson 3 because I cannot properly into references.

>>3025121
Definitely spend time grinding out keys to drawing. That should have been done first.
Its also really easy and you'll see quick results so it'll feel nice.

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>>3024644
Keep going. The more you draw the more feature placement will become familiar to you and you can see where you're strong and where you're not.

>>3024708
It might not seem like it, but this time you did much better anon. You are a quick learner.

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Where to improve?