/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

>>2998535
Clip studio paint. People use drawpads because mice aren't for serious art.

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just got a tablet and downloaded krita. im trying to get used to using digital its quite different. can anybody give me some pointers that helped you transition from to traditional to digital.

pic is me just testing out things in krita, are there other programs besides krita that are cheap or free that i could use?

>>2998580
Yeah ,rutracker

>>2998595
yeah, not into torrents too much. is krita the best?

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My first go at back structure and anything like this pose. I'd like any tips on missing details on the ankle and knee of the left leg. Or anything else I'm missing.

I started big and didn't have room for the extremities so I decided to do a step up pose to get a foot in

Anyone know any good brush sets for Clip Studio?

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>>2998668

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>>2998671

>>2998673
Maybe you'd be happier staying on tumblr then and getting heaped with false feel good praise while you produce shit that nobody wants to look at?

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>>2998683

>>2998694
*elegantly hovers fist in front of mouth*
ahem ahem
*clears throat*

NOT GONNA MAKE IT

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First time on this board so no h8 pls

I did this following this guide:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tjiw09C-hvQ

i didnt draw the background ofc

>>2998694
Nobody ever became great by being praised for mediocrity. Are you a 5 year old child who can't handle criticism?

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>>2998710
thanks doc

>>2998716
Why do you thank me? What have I done? Is it sarcastic? where is muh criticism?

>>2998720
First time on 4chan too? Heh...you'll learn what these things-memes, mean in time...if you can survive...

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>>2998714

>>2998731
Do it, faggot. What are you, a pussy?

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>>2998735

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>>2998727
lol no but i had no idea about that meme though.
now I see, you are triggered by the colors.

this is my 2nd work. tell me if Im doing something fundamentally wrong

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>>2998515

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here is a little anime girl

is she cute

i think she is very cute

>>2998752
good but you forgot the neck

>>2998748

nice

>>2998744
>doesn't know about piccolo dick
come on now nigger

>>2998744
did you miss the sticky on your way in you fucking inbreed

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>>2998514
How do you know if a pose is cool enough? I want to actually finish a piece but I know it can be difficult to fix basic mistakes after you've put in the time to render out the forms.

>>2998783
You could try looking at what muscles he appears to be flexing.

I don't know what you mean by "cool enough" but that pose looks a little sad or like he's bitterly reminiscing or making an oath while gripping his spear, since his chest is pointing inwards and his head is down.

>>2998783
Pay attention to the curvature of the spine or else the body looks rigid and loses presence.
Also your proportions are off; shins>thighs.

What's the most important when learning from a reference? Is it focusing on general construction or accurate recreation?

>>2998761
do you mean the 3 step bullshit? y would I follow that I didn't take a picture, dumbass. I just wanted to share how I am using the program (layers etc.) so people can give feedback. now place my ballsack on your face and gtfo u useless piece of shit


>>2998760
I have never watched dragon ball so probably whenever I saw that meme it filtered probably

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>>2998814
nearly corrected you and gave you useful advice on how to become an not-abhorrent artist but caught myself on just in time

>>2998821
OMG. why no one is being upfront in this fucking board?

one posts a fucking piccolo mean instead of saying rework the colors

one says read the sticky without directly saying what have I done that's violating the rule of the board

one says "I was gonna give advice but for some obscure reason I'm not going to give"

FFS. I AM ON "THE FUCKING BEGINNER THREAD". LUBE YOUR MEMES AND REACTION POSTS UND STICK THEM UP YOUR ASSES.

>>2998829
welcome to ic

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Critz plz

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Third year SCAD student reporting in.

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Made eyes too high I think. Reference from William Maughan.

>>2998839
>spend 30k just to end up in a beginner thread

>>2998835
Nice and minimal. His forehead is a little bulbous and cleanup the mouth details, looks kinda messy

>>2998835
>>2998858

Same anon here. What you think of mine?
>>2998610
Pardon the light

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If only I had drawn more boxes.

>>2998934
Honestly I don't think even that would've helped you. You clearly have brain damage or something preventing you from learning.

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>>2998520
I think it turned out pretty well. Thanks to some anon who suggested hatching perpendicular to the edges, still got to work on it but my shading looks better now.

>>2998934
this "progress" hurts to watch

>>2998580
The only think I could think of is ctrlpaint.

https://www.ctrlpaint.com/library

But it's for Photoshop.

>>2998839

Post best work.

>>2998934
w-whoa, all in 1 month!? O_O

>>2998940
You're right, I should've learned there are better places to farm (you)s than /beg/ but thanks anyway dudes

>>2998863
You should read some anatomy books. Stop relying on lines after the construction and paint the values.

>>2998842
Would like a crit

>>2998829
You need to read the sticky. And heres something to get you started. You need looms. For looms you need to get rid of symbol drawing. You need right dide of the brain to get rid of symbol drawing. After that you can start with looms fun with pencil. After you csn make domthing from imagination that looks good and is expressive continue along with other looms. read the sticky now and you should get some basic idea. Also if you are a beginner draw on paper with pencil for the time being. You dont wanna be the guy who draws shitty lifeless celeb porno cause you lack the fundamentels. Drawing on a paper is important for s bigginer.

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>>2998983
>looms
>right dide of the brain
>looms fun with pencil
>you csn make domthing from imagination
>you lack the fundamentels
>Drawing on a paper is important for s bigginer.

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I am beginning to think i took a bite bigger than what i could chew.

Should i just keep going?

>>2998842
The forehead's too big, the ear is too small, don't join the nose to the eyebrow, learn the proportions of the head and use construction lines

>>2999014
Yes, that's good, you'll get more experience using these tools. As long as you're learning you shouldn't worry if it doesn't come out looking great

>>2999035
Sure thing, i'll keep at it then. Thank you!

Wonder how long it's going to take to finish..

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can you buy drawing blocks that have something to prevent the graphite from being smudged to shit by the other pages?

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>>2998842
For the love of god, please resize it
Draw directly from photos or life next time too

You need to have a better sense of how the facial features relate to each other and the planes of the face.
You can't just stick eyes on a ball

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>>2999041
You could get a hardbound sketchbook
The pages don't shift around like in a wire bound one

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*screeches autistically*

>>2998836
beautiful. saving this for further use.

>>2999050
Gotcha, thanks for this

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>>2998748
I'd like a crit, same person who posted this yesterday

>>2998983
you are mental, my man, go see a doctor.

I am trying to learn the programs and digital techniques for making simple drawings for my projects. I am not trying to become a professional artist.

And no, I don't need to read the sticky. I brought my digital work, critique it or gtfo.

>>2999065
Proportions are okay, but your draughtsmanship is terrible
Don't scribble, and ghost your lines before you draw them

Right now, you need mileage, so keep going

>>2999073
Thanks. Will do.

What exactly do you mean by draughtsmanship? Clean lines/precision?

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Does anyone know of any reference sites for very detailed and intricate objects?

I'm interested in becoming an artist for people who are filing patents on machines and devices. Trying to go for pic related.

I also really like mechs. Reading Scott Robertson now.

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my shitty animoo...

Been grinding gesture and head construction. Decide to try drawing animoo for the first time in my life. Pretty hard but kinda fun.

I've never drawn anything stylize this kinda take the pressure off because I don't have to think a lot or care whether it looks accurate.

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Absolutely shit painter here. Proficient with lines and I can render at a basic level with marker, but I just can't do digital painting, or traditional mediums like oils etc.

My darks are muddy as hell and I feel there's not enough contrast, but I don't know exactly what to "do". I should probably steer away from all color for now. Tear my shit up.

>>2999081
yes

>>2998978
Thanks bb

Man, it really is a real difference to swap between traditional and digital. Just recently got a tablet and have put in about 10 hours and it is taking some getting used to.

>>2998934
Nice, keep it going and you'll eventually get pretty good

>>2999056
neat. post finished

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carol kane has THICC ....eyelids... and she's hard to draw.

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>>2999138

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>>2999138
last one

>>2998783
Worrying about a "cool" pose is the last thing you should be worrying about - it means you care more about being seen as "cool", than actually learning something.

>>2998842
You wouldn't be able to see both nostrils that way, from that angle. The nose is pointing in a different angle from the rest of the face.

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>>2999104
Changed the ball somewhat. I think it reads a bit better.

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>>2999041
You need to spray finished drawing with fixative when done. In a pinch, hair spray can work, too. The only other way is to put wax paper or tracing paper in between the drawings and the next page.

>>2999091
This is mechanical drawing, it's a completely different field, and most of it is done from CAD programs now. You'd also need some study in industrial design.

Can't find a questions thread so gonna ask here, hope that's ok. Digital painting, photoshop, how do I blend/render a painting without losing all my saturation/color/values?
I'm doing great blocking in shapes and values, but as soon as I start trying to blend it becomes a muddy shitty mess. I've tried a bunch of different brushes and brush settings and nothing seems to help.

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>>2999104
Stop using black then. Black rarely occurs in nature, shadows and dark objects are generally tints of black, with other colors in them, or very dark values of a color.

You need to study value. You should start looking at things in terms of greyscale ramps - this point of the object is the brightest, this area is the midtone, this point is the shadow. Beginning painting classes have students paint sinple objects, like an egg, on a white background, to see the values more clearly, and in a simplified context. Then, you move on to simple still life.

My beginning oil class was awesome for this - I'd already been painting in oils years before this, but the assignments showed me a lot more. One of the most valuable was painting a crumpled up brown paper bag, 4 times. We had to divide up the canvas into 4 areas, and in teh first area, paint it b&w. Then paint it only using two complimentary colors (colors next to each other on the color wheel.) Then we had to use two colors across from each other, like red and blue. Then we had to try it actual color.

Mentally converting red and blue into values that work as a greyscale ramp to sculpt the figure in the scene breaks a lot of people when they try it, but once you get it, it changes everything. That's when you can start seeing color not just as a hue - but as a value, where it falls on the greyscale ramp, if you took a B&W photo of it, or made a Xerox of the painting.

Get some beginning oil painting books. There are some really good ones, one of my favorites is Oil Painting Secrets From a Master by Linda Cateura and David Leffel.

>>2999163
Read this walkthrough thread, Marta talks about how she builds color and blends.

http://marta-dahlig.com/Judith_walkthrough.pdf

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>when you start to abuse and become over reliant on the color filters

>>2998807
Both. One hones your ability to see and visually measure and the other for understanding 3d form.

>>2999171
I feel that I understand value well in a kind of planar context. When the planes aren't strictly defined, I fall apart completely. So in other words I'm having a real hard time rendering transitions from value to value. I'm just going by eye on this, not with any kind of theory because I don't know any.

I understand some more advanced light and color theory and use it in my line-based work, but in painting it's a bit over my head.

What do you suggest? Paint from pictures of simple objects, then once the values read correctly, move on to still life of simple objects?

I'm reading and watching a bit of material on painting because I'm basically a complete beginner, but I think it's more of a method or technique issue than a knowledge issue. I'm still thinking about it like a draftsman and I approach it so.

>>2999065
MAYNE STREEM MEATIER

>>2999186
>What do you suggest? Paint from pictures of simple objects, then once the values read correctly, move on to still life of simple objects?

Yes, exactly this. It's a skill, that you gain from experience. Some people have a natural feel for it, others struggle. The more you do it, the more comfortable you get with it, and can make decisions from instinct.

Painting is a totally different headspace. You need to get comfortable there, and learn there. This is where art school can come in handy - if you have good teachers, they can walk you through the process.

Value is very important, that's why we study it. Painting realistically requires a lot of things, but the two most important are draftmanship, and very solid control over values.

This is why we have to spend hours with paint or a monitor, and try different combos and techniques, to see what works and what doesnt, and studying things like how light, atmosphere, and distance can effect value. A shadow up close won't be the same value as a shadow far away, on the horizon. A shadow won't have the same value late in the day, as opposed to noon time, when the sun is closest, and directly overhead. Etc, etc.

Digital makes it easier - for example, you can paint in Photoshop, and simply have a B&W conversion layer over the painting - and by turning it on and off, you can look at the values as you paint.

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Critique plz

>>2999226
>2444x3196
i cant crit if i cant see shit mate

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Critique my "friend"'s drawing.

How do you know if Drawing is just not for you?

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>>2999225
Same anon as the begpaint ball and leg guy.

I made this just now. I can see the values and form is off, but it's something.

I was getting more than a bit confused with the form, so it fucked my values as well I believe.

Maybe I should do an underdrawing next time, so I can get the form down and just focus on the values. I just put some paint down to get the form.

I don't have the best eye for value yet, but I did notice that my value range that I originally assumed was always too narrow. However I exaggerate some extremes too much as it is right now. If you look at the picture from afar, my painting's lights read higher in value than the picture.

Is the reference too complex? I feel that my "eye" was off majorly on this one, so maybe I'm punching above my weight a bit.

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fixed the arm from last time. Want to know if I need to change anything else in terms of anatomy

>>2999240
Maybe a little bit, but that's not a bad attempt. This is where the grind comes in - keep doing studies until it starts feeling more natural to you. Then jump into color, and try to mimic those values with one color. Do a monochromatic painting, only using red. Then blue. Then do two colors. This is what an art class would have you do. You're training your eye to see it, and you hand to recreate it.

>>2999233
Symbol

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>>2999232

sorry m8, was phoneposting

>>2999255
Alright. I'll do a few more renditions of this until the values aren't off too much. I think the form will come by itself, because my eye is fine. Medium is just a bit awkward. I'm not comfortable with digital yet, either. But those are minor issues.

I think it's worth mentioning but I'm obviously not using a color picker, and CTRL Z very conservatively. Maybe I will do an exercise where I look at reference, lay down the value I think I see, then color pick and compare.

Thanks, I didn't know you can get solid advice on /ic/ lmao.

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did i do a bad?

>>2999275

you got a booger on your paper

>>2999275
fucked up sorry for large post
>>2999277
it was scrap paper

>>2999280
booger or not? very important if you want a crit.

>>2999283
i guess so, plus im trying to do a redraw on photoshop right now. (first time ever)

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>>2998610
The shoulder and the arms don't look like that. Studying muscles and anatomy really helps and drawing construction lines and frames really helps as well.

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kid

>>2998934
Animu is good but it's always important to remember that learning proper anatomy and realistic proportions is really important and can be of great help when creating stylized art. Other than that good progress.

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I'd like to get my drawing to golden age comics level drawing so im using those as references.
critiques?

top drawing's pelvis is too low i think.

>>2999325
soften some of the transitions on the cheek, you need both hard and soft edges

>>2999240
its a good try but one thing i learned in my oil painting class that really help me learn values was when looking at the object you're painting, squint as far as you can while still being able to see the object in question so that the values are more clear cut it helps

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>>2999328
Good start, but both the dude's pelvis and some of your legs are wrong. The most glaring one is the dude's right leg (which would be our left, so it'd be the left leg for us). If you get up and roll up your pants to your thigh, watch how your knees and your thighs move when your foot rotates. The knee cap will almost always be in line with the foot in a natural pose and as result, the shins and muscles that attach to the knee move slightly as well. Try studying Bridgman. Also if limbs still give you trouble, try doing studies of the Flash for legs or Spiderman arms and hands. Keep on making comic book characters man, maybe you'll get to the big leagues eventually.

>>2998934
It looks like you just took your time instead of spending a minute like the first one.

>>2999426
Also keep in mind I tried to preserve as much as the original drawing when redlining it so there might still be some inaccuracies. Use this as a guide and learn from Bridgman and try to draw all muscles as blocky shapes instead of just bumpy lines. Hell, you should draw eveything in boxes and divide the boxes into halves and thirds to learn the proportions. That way if you have to turn it in perspective, you can simply draw the divided box in a different perspective and still have 100 percent correct proportions. If you get good at freeballing boxes it will become less tedious and it will become kinda fun to turn things in space.
Here's some examples of box application
https://youtu.be/xPdkxTSn9s4?t=217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tZ-21ztb8k&t=200s
Structure basics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo

>>2998673
come on now, reddit isnt that useful.

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I know i suck at colouring
Ando i also know that i have to fix the ass. I like big asses, but i think i kind of lose perspective
So roast me

>>2999454
is that misty?

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I don't know if this is the right place to post this but here

This is a current WIP a friend of mine is working. There is something really damn off about his faces/heads that I can quite place my finger on because im not an artist in any sense

Any one got some critique? I really want him to improve.

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>>2999456
Another picture of his

I don't think they look bad outside the faces, but the faces REALLY bother me

>>2999454
Ass isnt big enough

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>>2999455
Nope, Kendou from mu animu My Hero Academia
But come on, say something

>>2999457
>>2999456
The faces don't have perspective, they are plane and without expression
Also the eyes seems like he just copy one and applied vertical mirror to have the other

>>2999456
Mouth is way too low.
The neck seems to have been simplified to the point where neck muscles are nonexistent and instead is this bullshit oversimplified c curve.
Boobs are tilted downwards to the right which is incorrect perspective
Also her arm doesn't have any squash and stretch due to anatomy being nonexistent...also her elbows would pop out more. Bend your arm and observe how much it sticks out.

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beginning to think I will never be good at drawing humans

>>2999460
looks good to me for the most part but her right hand wrist looks like squeezed into a noodle

>>2999466
post werk?

>>2999466
draw 1000 more loomis humans using photo reference
problem solved
or if you can attend life drawing sessions with nude models then doing like even 50 of them will get you there so long as you try to draw as realistically as possible and not animu everything

>>2999472
Don't feel like being bullied desu

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>>2999473
I have a hard time working out where the loomis human goes into the real human.

For example where do the two disks go? Why does the bottom of the rib cage seem so low on the Loomis drawing skeleton compared to actual humans?

>>2999474
I'll be gentle!

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>>2999474
don't worry, we'll only horrendously rip apart drawings that you've spent hours on and call you a huge faggot
but you'll improve a lot

>>2998934
Woah your work is actually kinda cute now.

You guys have any tips for drawing heads?
Most tutorials have you draw a circle and then form a chin somehow. But when i watch people draw or speedpaint they just draw the fuckin head perfectly like it's no big deal. No construction. Nothing.

Are any of you guys able to do this?

>>2999487
they're so used to it they can skip the step

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>>2999466
And anything else for that matter.

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>>2999480
TL:DR Just divide the torso(which means top of ribcage to bottom of pelvis) into quarters with 2 of the 4 quarters being ribcage and 1 of the 4 quarters being the pelvis. The bottom of the pectoral muscle is roughly at the half way mark. If you want to be more exact, you can divide the quarter sized boxes you created and divide those into thirds. Let's call those 4 quarter sized boxes "quarts" Then you can make the pelvis 1/3rd the size of a "quart" higher up and the bottom of the pectoral muscle 1/3rd of a "quart" lower if you want to be 100 percent accurate. Usually using the quarter divisions is good enough though, espescially if you practice breaking down reference image torsos like this enough times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rW2YyvrTTtg for finding thirds

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>>2999508
Also here's the skeleton (i think it's loomis) that I used so you can try this out as well.

>>2999426
>>2999443
thanks man. i see what you mean about the kneecap turning with the direction of the foot.
ill check out those videos and bridgman. damn, there's so much to learn.

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Hey guys. I don't know how to color so I'm using the ambient occlusion method to paint this.

Can I get some advice on how to make the colors more realistic? Also any general tips on how to make the design better? It's a little plain right now but I'll add more to it as soon as I enhance the color.

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Shield your eyes from the super newb. Had been playing some HL2 recently, and wanted to try my hand at drawing. I've never drawn before, just used the mouse and a reference image, but found it really fun and relaxing. Going to be reading up on actual drawing technique etc. as I don't have any experience with this.

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>>2999535

>>2999462
>>2999464
Got any advice on the general shape of the faces?

>>2998752
Chloe Grace moretz, not the best proportions

>>2998835
Flat, really flat, doesn't seem real at all.t ry another angle

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>>2998518

>>2999535
> I've never drawn before, just used the mouse and a reference image
Why do people keep trying to start drawing with mice? Start with pencil and paper. You'll won't learn a damn thing from drawing low-poly crowbars anyway.

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>>2999598

>>2998934
Doesn't even seem like the same person.

>>2999179
>when you know it's wrong to do something but continue doing it anyway and post it

>>2999530
Add small design work on the cloth like adding a gold trim to the borders of the cloth. Also look up Kienan Lafferty on how to color, you're using too much black which is making your colors muddy
Also the, the girl looks like she has an ugly man face, fix that shit bro

>>2998940
>>2998947
>>2998964
>>2999428
>>2999745
Gotta love this """critique"""

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>>2999550
She needs more jaw and more chin . Look at at anime and look at real women and you'll see there are some more sharp angles than what you have there. There some places where muscle and fat are naturally less and even on fatter people those areas will almost always have some edge to them

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>>2999050
>>2998842
Thanks, I tried to define the planes a little more and resized, some more crit would be appreciated

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What a fucking embarrassment.

>>2999833
NGMI, give up now

>>2999462
>>2999464
>>2999804
He says he doesn't know how to apply these critiques

Got any materials he can use as examples or anything else?

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>>2999823
already 10 times better. fix the eyes slightly

>>2999887
almost forgot, move the ears up slightly. It should fit in between the bottom of the root of the nose to the top of the eyebrows. Then make it slightly bigger without going outside those boundries

>>2999226
The perspective is off. The boxing gloves should not be the same size. Her right hand is as big as her entire head.

>>2999887
>>2999892
Ahhh yes I see. Thanks for the paint-over and for being so quick.

>>2999275
Your linework is shit, draw smooth lines. She looks emaciated on the bottom half and her legs are too short and she has no hips to speak of. It looks like she's falling backwards and if she is, the skirt would be clinging to her bottom, not belling out.

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>>2999275
>shitty lines
>-5 points
>no resize
>-10 points
>booger on page
>-50 points
>ugly ass black bar on image
>-100 points
>namefagging
>-1000 points
>-1650 points of being shit
>tfw you're literally worse than Hitler

>>2999912
so how should i study anatomy? also FUCK didn't think about the skirt, thanks

>>2999938
well yah, Hitler had skill, also I don't know whats going on with the black bar

>>2999851
Bridgman's complete guide to drawing from life, Bridgman's Constructive Anatomy. Also, you could look up Krenz tutorials on CGPeers. It opens for registration on the 1st and 15th day of every month so if you wait a couple days you can catch the next sign up day. Then you can access tutorials like Marshall Vandruff's perspective series and Krenz tutorials.
Also here's a mega link from the Discord
https://mega.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA

Does anyone have an experiences of paid courses from Udemy? I've been considering this one for anatomy https://www.udemy.com/anatomy-for-figure-drawing-and-comics/

>>2999823
It feels like you are just trying to copy the shadows, instead of trying to understand the planes of the head. Everyone does that at first but I would advice you to spend a bit more time figuring out the architectonics of the face.

>>3000044
Yes it's true, I understand now. I should curve the shadows along the planes of the face instead of just plotting them down willynilly like i did, thanks for this.

>>2999454
Got a place where you post your art?

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>>2998520
How do I stop myself from chicken scratching? Also fuck my shit up senpai, please, I need a critique.

>>3000067
Nope, i'm just starting to do this digital. Also, i don't know if would post it digital. What do you have on your mind?

>>3000086
You have some nice art with potential so I'd like to know a place I see see your future drawing

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how to render?

How do I draw eyes right?

>>3000077

hands and feet look like shit

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I'm clearly doing it wrong. What are the pro blending techniques, /ic/?

>>3000138
hard and soft edges, learn about them nigga

>>3000138
Drop the fucking airbrush tool. Airbrush is for starting and finishing, not carrying the whole fucking piece.
Anyway, I recommend hard/round brush or a texture brush for shading. Start grey and work values lighter/darker. Don't know what program you're using but, in Photoshop, hold alt, click, then select your value and use that to blend. Just keep doing this between values and keep going until you blend shit enough. If it's some other program, find some other shortkey for your eyedropper tool.
Look at an actual photo. Put it to greyscale to see where the hard and soft edges are.

Btw, don't use white backgrounds. Use mid tone backgrounds. (Middling greys)
Only use white and black for finishing touches.

>>2998783
Line of action, if you want to talk about portraying that type of shit.
The more sharp and drastic the curve is in the pose, the stronger the line of action and the more drastic it looks.
Also drastic, wild ass angles.

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>>2999065
Looks like you took someone's child or something.

>>3000115
Look at a fucking eye, look at what a skull looks like, especially the eyesocket, and don't draw them facing the front from every fucking angle.

>holy shit my anatomy is bad
>crack open an anatomy book
>heads are 10x better
>body is 1000x better
>can now draw without any trouble
>skin is now clear of any acne
>now have various female artists begging for the dick
>opened up my third eye and can now fly
thanks loomis!

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>>3000284
>loomis
>anatomy book
Hohkay

>>3000283
Just tell him to draw 3/4 views or look for more complicated angles on Pinterest or something sheesh

>>3000115
Here's some things I learned:
>look at eyes and draw them (typical I know but it's good to understand the shape of the whole eye)
>eyes are just spheres. Eyelids are just fabric wrapping around that sphere. Think of a bowling ball wrapped by two scarves
>understand the placement of where the eyes go. look at skulls. villipu has a pretty good vid on the head in general and shows where the eye socket is located.
>eyes don't just stare straight ahead when looking at something relatively close. depending on what the person is focusing on, they tend to be slightly crossed because their eyes are essentially making a triangle/rectangle shape with the object.
>the lens of the eye is concave like the inside of a spoon therefore the shiny part (that white circle that you see in cartoons) will usually be in the darker section of the eye.

That's kinda all I have

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I messed up the right arm but what can you do...

>>3000318
I think you were too rigid for the basic forms and stuff, it kind of made you lose perspective. Use them more like guidance for your lines than fmto be the actual core if the draw.

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>>2998845
Hey now I'm proud of this
I like what I do

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>>2998957

>>2999480
You're not supposed to literally translate it. It's a guideline, it's a symbolic breakdown of the forms of the human body, so you can better visualize the spacial relationships and proportions.

>>2998580
Just pirate photoshop its so much better

>>3000402
^ that or clip studio
krita fucking sucks.

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First real drawing I've attempted on Autodesk. I'm using a $60 RCA tablet so I can't use a stylus. Everything has been done with my index finger. I'm trying to familiarize myself with the application and really the whole idea of digital art. Am I on the right track?

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trying to practice rendering. I find myself completely ignoring the underlying sketch, and sometimes I feel like its better to just not do a sketch at all and go straight to painting

>>3000422
BTW this isn't my style at all but it was more of a study to see how I could use different brushes. My normal art looks nothing like this.

>>3000429
also i dont understand the digital art work flow, if i were doing this properly would i have every muslce/shape saved as a selection?

>>2999788

Is this a new meme? Posting weeks progress of 3/4 view anime style drawings. With time stamp.

If not then you're asking for critique but doesn't specify in that post. It's just looks like you're asking for a pat in the head.

Do something other than 3/4 view and don't say shit like "if only I draw boxes." If you understand the point of drawing boxes you wouldn't make fun of it.

Full figure drawing
Perspective
Composition
Character Design
Clothing Design
A bunch of OC's
Head in different angles
Form practice
etc...

Do any of those and someone might give you a critique.

>>3000138
learn to draw before you learn to render otherwise you're wasting your time polishing turds

>>2999343
Not him but how should i use hard/soft respectively?

>>3000429
BLOCK in your value first. Squint your eyes and see how areas of light and dark turn into (mostly) manageable shapes? Use a large round brush and paint those in first. Work from big to small otherwise you get caught up in meaningless shit.

>>3000489
it's bait, stop replying to him

>>3000429
thats too gay man stop painting that right now or youll turn into a faggot ok.

Goddamnit going through keys to drawing is starting to feel terrible. Not even my kanji & genki grind was this bad.

Part of it is probably how ugly my drawings from the exercises look

>be me
>decides to draw in one of the draw threads
>finds one of those "draw my character in your style" meme boards
>sure why not
>painting actually turns out better than what you normally do
>ahfuckyeah.jpg
>decides to post it
>thread was deleted by mod
>feelsguy.jpg
>decides to post it in /beg/ in shame

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>>3000561

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>>3000561
here's my shitty painting btw

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hey look, I bought a drawing book.

itsanice.

>>3000568
looks kinda asian

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Roast me

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>>3000573
>tfw when you're just an asian boy who just looks at idols and cute girls for sRin tone references

>>3000577
skin tone*

>>3000575
Something is wrong with those torsos. Perhaps the gap between the hips and the ribs are off?

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eyy lmao check these sketches from today, did them at around 2 am when I felt bored and eventually got hit by the Togruta fever again

any and all criticism is welcome

>>3000582
>>3000575
I think that's what went wrong here. Anon probably fell for the fitting everything on the paper meme and tried to shrink the torso to fit more of the picture on page subconsciously. Also, it seems like the dude is dodging the punch but isn't leaning away to dodge correctly or the dude is is reacting like he got punched but the arm and fist doesn't actually connect to his face

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>>2998752
Decided to make her my first digital work ever. Turns out digital art is really fun to do.
Think I'll go back to studies and loomis for now though.

>>3000587

Let me guess... You learn from sycra?

>>3000587
It's style or "style"? Like, can you actually draw normal human beings?

I have a bit of a silly question, but I need some advice.

I seem to be fine doing studies but lately I've had a lot of trouble committing to a drawing and finishing it. I don't know, I feel I'm struggling being creative and imaginative.

How do you usually push through in order to make finished things? How do you brainstorm and find ideas you like and commit to?

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>that awkward stage of rendering when you're approaching eldritch horror

>>3000622
You don't get to be creative and imaginative while studying. Take a little break if you feel worn out. A few days, maybe a week. I think it's just as important as studying. I noticed that for some reason I'm becoming better after that. I belive I'm not the only one.

>>3000638
Haha, I think everyone goes through that. Myself included. I guess even in art confidence to keep pushing through still applies

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How can i improve this piece in every way possible?

>finally get new drawing tablet and keyboard
>can't work up motivation to draw

what do

>>3000686
Aerial perspective.
closer=darker/richer
further=paler

>>3000691
Try doodling a bit, might get you in the right mood.

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How am I doing guys?

>>3000704
I can't describe it but somehow I feel like there is a problem between the top part below the neck in comparison to the pelvis.

>>3000709

Shoulders too broad probably

>>3000704
>3.97 MB, 3504x4672

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>>3000638
its still pretty odd, might be because her face is slightly elongated

What is the standard for the keys to drawing exercise? What if my drawings are really shit (specifically in chapter 2, where I have to take proportions using the pencil) I find that I'm really bad at that. While the 1st and 2nd chapter I was pretty satisfied with it going through the self-critique pages

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>>3000568
Honestly I think this is pretty rad even for a meme bullshit drawing anon. I don't think you belong in /beg/ to be honest

Are there like "fun" things you can draw between serious studies?

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>>3000736
Draw this

They weren't kidding about the tapering issues with Huion tablets. I don't think it'd matter too much if all you did was paint, but it's pretty bad when sketching.

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>>2998515

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>>2999786
Hey thanks a lot. Kienan's videos are really helpful especially the clipping part. And yeah, I'm adding the gold trims and a few other designs.

Right now, I'm just cleaning up the flat colors without the linework. Then I'll add more design to the outfit and start painting over to define some areas better.

Any more critiques are appreciated.

>>2998517
>tfw no one wants to draw the smol yellow man.

>>3000686
Don't use only photoshop brush grass, don't be so lazy.

>>3000784
Is there any particular reason for her cloth to radiate light in all directions?

>>3000801
>> tfw you don't even notice the smol yellow man until pointed out

>>3000806
What do you mean? If you mean the white outline, it's leftover from the bad clipping mask I did. I will clean it up so it doesn't look like it's glowing.

>>3000815
the right side of the body has light for some reason but her shadow makes it seem as though that section should be the darkest. Your light source is very weird

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>>2998517
smol yellow man

>>3000816
Oh yeah, I included a second light source on the right. Is it better if I remove it? The main light source is coming from the top left, and she will have some light on her hand too.

>>3000825
If there's a second light source, make sure to change the shadow on the floor, then.

>>3000823
Someone cares :')

>>3000827
Just in case, I chime in that there would be two shadows.

>>3000827
Ah okay. Got it, thanks!

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Am I supposed to start at the bottom and work my way up?

>>2999508
>>2999512
Thank you very much.

Anon do you have any more tips and stuff when it comes to drawing humans? This was very helpful.

>>3000298
>>3000283
Thanks guys

>>3000784
Learn more anatomy. Her arms don't look like they're capable of bending. Where are her elbows? They look stumpy.

Stop polishing this turd. Do another from scratch.

No camera or tablet, so I don't have anything specific to post to critique, sorry, but I felt like this was the best place to ask. I feel like I'm not really getting gesture drawing. I understand it academically speaking, but I still feel like I'm trying to draw the model and not the gesture itself. It's like I'm copying the lines and not the essence of the image. Any good tips or tutorials, or is something where I should just keep drawing and it will click eventually?

>>3000854
No, but it's pretty much how it goes for the unskilled who don't read books.
Anyway, don't go moeshit, go normal animoo like Ufotable's titles.

>>3000892
How about you try to copy what you think to be gestures with your mouse and post it here? I mean, copy your own paper-drawn gestures.

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Hey guys, this is my first time trying Oils and I can't understand this fucking baby anatomy and its driving me mad, please I need help

>>3000902
so stop at the 80s is what you're saying

>>3000902
>How about you try to copy what you think to be gestures with your mouse and post it here? I mean, copy your own paper-drawn gestures.
That's a good idea, but it's a bit late to do that right now so I'll have to ask again after work tomorrow after I do that.

>>3000904
Not necessarily, but it's most definitely better than K-On style.

>>3000903
Damn, these stains of unpleasant brown around him really make it looks like he just shat himself. Anyway, I think Loomis had a section on this. Your babby's torso and arms are too fat already, he'd likely be unable to move by himself at 7 years.

>>3000908
Looking forward to it.

>>3000903
Why would you do two things you don't have a good grasp on at the same time? That's like a one way ticket to frustration and quitting.

>>3000917
I gotta start somewhere sometime, I'm attending an atelier and there's a teacher assisting me but idk, maybe u guys can help me as well

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Quick sketch

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Current progress so far. I feel like i'm going to have to redraw the the head and neck to face the right side. not to sure about the orientation on the boob on the right either, as it may be pointing too far right as well.

>>3000402
>>3000408
is photo shop cs2 good or will i regret downloading it. also whats the biggest difference between photo shop and clip studio

>>3000429
block in your shit, also try turning this into grey scale. it won't do you any good if your values are wrong because you don't understand how gray scale translates into color.

>>2999101
not super shitty, definitely shows you have been practicing. but its super chicken scratch. dont chicken scratch.

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:eyes:

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>>3000867
Here's a mini tutorial I did for hands and shit
>>2999426
Slightly older one, slightly drunker one, but I still think was good nonetheless for fingers
>>2988996
Also here's a guide to studying Bridgman
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpnP28b3riY
If you can, somehow get a physical copies of his book and copy the shit out of his drawings. I was only lucky enough to get Constructive anatomy and when I was bored on some fucboi college tour I would just do nothing but study that tiny book for the 7 hours I would be on buses. In a week I finally realized that blocks were my shape language and loomis spheres and ovals were garbage for me. Hopefully blocks will work for you my friend.

>>2999141
shit reference, wide screen when its not a wide screen movie. wtf is wrong with you. you couldn't even see the stretched form??

>>2999304
nice loomis, stop chicken scratching, you're getting to good to be chicken scratching.

>>3000102
Scott Robertson's How to Render.
If you say "Please based anon, OP is a faggot I will learn stop symbol drawing and git gud"
I will give it to you

>>3000941
Photoshop will lag your computer hard and is generally all around shit for drawing. For painting it's fine but at this point Clip Studio is way better than Cs2 Photoshop

>>3000948
Your values are always too harsh, especially on the skin, which is supposed to look soft. Your's looks like disgusting plastic
For you, I'd try not using straight black or straight white when doing value studies just to get used to using subtle but still readable different gray values instead. Getting contrast by using black or white is easy but when using grays you really need to focus more on seeing values than you'd normally do.

>>3000968
Thank you! Still a beginner for imagination drawings so i'll keep this in mind

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Just started learning the other day after always telling myself I was hopeless at art.
Doing exercises off that Loomis book in the sticky plus a channel I found on YouTube.
Feel like I'm struggling to shade those circles and I can't draw other shapes though.
How long should I be spending on each stage or when will I know I can move on? I mean presumably I don't have to get to the same standard as the author before trying other stuff.

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>>2998515
>>2998517
Well. That old dude ended up looking derp as hell

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>>3000973
Don't fall into the happy potato chin meme

>>3000982
But they're the easiest to draw!
yeah almost all my faces look like that lol I think I'm having most trouble turning circles into cheeks though.

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>>2998514
Gonna post a few things I drew in high school for art class. All were either drawn with just a mechanical or plain #2 pencil, so don't expect immaculate shading or anything.

Be gentle, I'm a newfag.

Nah not really, rip me a new one if you so desire.

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>>3000935
>>3000597
everything you know is wrong
see >>3000951
>>2999443
and >>3000951
Learn some real anatomy and how to draw cubes/boxes and planes first. They're easier. I'm only saying this because you two don't know how to use perspective. Cubes are the easiest way to learn that. Spheres and round shapes are easy to place down arbitrarily but are very difficult to use accurately for complex angles in perspective. Loomis was a massive faggot making Fun With A Pencil. Only his other books are good. It's easy to tell when you do a box sloppy and straight lines are very easy to see the tilts of the body by simplifying them to angles. Ellipses and round shapes are more difficult to tell if you've done sloppily as will as being worse at showing angles. If you two autismos took the time to study people in real life, you'll see the body always is at different angles and almost never perfectly vertical or horizontal (people usually slightly tilt their head side to side or slightly forward, hips usually contrapose the shoulders, etc.) There seems to be this meme that if you use straight lines or blocky forms that automatically makes it stiff, and using curvy shapes automatically makes your figures not stiff. As long as you have different angles in every part and make the angles flow into each other it will work. Get a 3d simulator or just grab a real cube and draw 7" by 7" cubes with your shoulder, and not your wrist on large sheets of paper 100 times, while changing the angle of the cube slighly each time. If you don't have large paper, buy a cheap 12 inch sketchbook and fill it with cubes, and if you have clip studio, then you can use the 3d pose engine to practice rotating cubes as well. Once you can draw a cube intuitively, you can draw anything in perspective by relating it to cubes. Read Hampton or Bridgman, not Loomis. Get back to work.

>>3001014
Not those anons, but you put a lot of effort into your post. Good on you, anon.

>>2998945
it's pretty good but i think the left nipple and leg are too blocky otherwise great job

>>3001014
Will do. Thanks

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>>3000997
The top and bottom of the cabinet behind the keyhole is tilted. Same for the painting because of the slightly curved lines you did. Just use a ruler man. If you freehand some shit, you'd better be able to draw straight lines with your shoulder because you'll have to freehand the rest of it to be consistent. If you have perfectly straight ruler lines in 75 percent of your drawing and then you just call it quits and have freehanded wobbly ones for the other 25 percent it's going to look off. Also what looks to be paneling on the back wall is unevenly spaced, which is strange because you did well on the floor. You could've just run the vertical lines starting from the bottom of the wall where each of those floor lines touched the wall straight up to the ceiling and repeated that and you would've had basically solved this problem. Everyone needs here needs to Marshall's perspective series immediately.
https://mega.nz/#F!w34hQQwK!_hWHHzuihoWzkMe6GCOH9Q

>>3000992
at least looks like you are enjoying drawing, keep it up!

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My drawings always look like two separates things, I can't connect the top and the bottom part into one piece. What to do?

>>3001116
There are two options;

1) Brute force studies/only draw from references until you get a natural feel for everything

2) Read a book and save a lot of time

>>2999628
True, idk I was thinking of doing most my drawing in digital. Guess thats all the more reason to hit up the graphite.

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posting this shit,instead of watching haruhi
what i must do to improve

>>3001148
gonna suggest you read these two posts

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>>3001120
Artbook thread here >>2999582

Anyone here streams art? What settings do I need to capture photoshop window with OBS? Don't want to capture my whole monitor preferably.

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Critique? I know it's not much more than a doodle, but despite the fact that there are going to be flaws, I probably can't see the obvious ones too well.

>>3001148
read the sticky (unironically)

Fuck. I can't draw.
What if I never make it?

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can I get a uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh critique

>>3001188
I like the colours; it would work in a painterly style, but it doesn't coagulate well with that grey background. Also: the restated lines don't mix well with the form underneath; perhaps lower the opacity on them or delete them completely, so that the colour is all that can be seen clearly.

>>2999056
the eyes are pretty, anon.
post the finished version

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Would this look better with a bluer sunnier sunnier atmosphere

>>3001177
not with that attitude

>>3001177
then learn how to draw, fucking fag

Am I doing something wrong if I feel like I need to rotate my digital canvas often when I draw?

>>3001227
Slap some godrays, occasional highlights and it'll be fine.

>>3001231
If it helps, why not?

>>3001120
>Brute force studies/only draw from references until you get a natural feel for everything

Does it actually happen like this? I feel like when I draw from references that I'm not really learning anything.

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Please help in any way you can, thank you.

>>3001263
With what? Finish it.

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>>3001209 ok so I took your advice but I wasn't sure what to make the background so I went with black, if you can offer any me any ideas on that I'd be really grateful. thank you for the critique by the way :-)

>>3001186
>>3001120

Hmm, I'm going through the perspective handbook and decided to take a break because of how massive it is, I didn't imagine it could have all this impact in drawings humans.

>>2999070
The Anon helped you and you are still a gigantic cunt even for IC standard. Leave.

What's the best book for femenine hands/feets ? Can someone explain me the not so important differences in the details

>>3001731
Thinner fingers and less emphasis on knuckles. Also more graceful lines. That's pretty much it aside from fingernail polish I suppose

>>3001752
Thanks I'll try to apply myself

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Hey Guys,
I promised my sister to draw her daughter but desu im pretty shit at drawing, can anyone help me make this pic look more like the pic below?
(im sorry if this isnt the right place to post this)

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First time I drew this kind of stuff.