/beg/ - THE BEGINNER THREAD

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Why the fuck is it so hard to draw circles with a tablet. Oh my fucking god this is so infuriating to me I have no chill right now.

How the fuck do I draw heads and shit when I cant even make a circle fuck.

Do circles ever get easy? Is this forever?

>>2982225
Love it. Can you post the construction?

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another one

>>2982228
I ended up erasing it :/

>>2982230
aw :(

Well keep up the good work! You're gonna make it senpai.

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>>2982234
danke.
Here's another thing i've been working on

>>2982245
The face looks really wrong, and I don't think one could have LOVE HANDLES and such accentuated waist with barely any meat on the ribcage at the same time.
Breasts seem to be hangin' too high for their size (which is mainly denoted by the underboob lines) as well. No, they are, alright.

>>2982261
I knew it! something really is off with the face. I'll also try to address your other points as well. Thanks!

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>>2982267
I feel like I wasn't constructive enough about the face, so here's an infographic I happen to have as well.

Do I construct in my head or do I draw it on the paper?

>>2982295
You do it on your canvas until you're able to do it in your head consistently.

whoa, it's just, like, my art style, dude

stop trying to critique me

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>>2982153
Where'd I go wrong?

>>2982275
I'll definitely use this. Thanks again

>>2982311
What's up with you?

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>ideal is 8 heads
>take a picture of myself
>6.5 heads

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>>2982215
if it makes you feel better, i've been grinding circles 30 minutes a day for the past 6 months and i still can't have my draw throughs even slightly resemble the first circles...

>>2982337
That's more than good enough for drawing. If you require more accuracy than that you're probably doing some kind of technical drawing in which case you can use the ruler tool that virtually all paint applications include.

>>2982330
>> ideal is 8 heads
Did you come from the future or are you a descendant of the gods?
The ideal measurements depend on the age and posture btw. The modern consensus is that around 7 heads plus minus 1 for most drawn humans is ok.

>>2982340
r-really? fuck i've been wasting my time then. I guess thanks for letting me know...

>>2982330
>>2982341
Manlets identified

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>>2982321

the contour of his face should have more pronounced curves, profile of head could be rounder, eyelid should be back a bit, ear shape doesnt match, nostril needs to be bigger

keys to drawing

>>2982366
Thanks for the red line!
I've been looking at Keys to Drawing, but I can't wrap my head on the chapter where he uses a pencil to measure instead of the eye, I have no idea how to get it to work...

>>2982337
Are you using any kind of line smoothing? I find that if smoothing is turned up too high it makes it hard to draw through the same circle multiple times because the latency it introduces requires you to overshoot your first circle a little.

>>2982369
You hold a pencil at arm's length, looking at the object you're drawing - or photo, if that's what you're using. You make a measurement, like the distance between the eyes, and something else, and compare. Then apply that to your drawing.

Example: looking at a house, you can measure the height of it, and compare it to the width, and then look at the proportions of your drawing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzDGO0LssEM

>>2982275
Nice! Do you have more manga resources like this?

why the fuck is figure drawing so hard. i fucking hate it. theres literally millions of things to measure

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>>2982378

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>>2982374
I do.

+ the single link in my links.txt that is related to animoo style in any way:
http://klinanime.deviantart.com/art/Tutorial-boobs-bras-n-lace-3b-169342088

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>>2982215
That's about what mine looked like about 2 weeks ago. I'm still shit, especially at exactly intersecting the points that I intend to, but my curves at least look smooth now. Find a size that feels comfortable and use zoom and rotate to your advantage.

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no idea what I'm tryna acomplish with this one

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>>2980937
Fixed?

>>2982433
the proportions are really off man. Her torso and legs should be longer and her head is tilted up not down. You need to measure more, and really look and what you're drawing. The gesture could use some work too, you didin't quite capture that lean she has. Keep at it man

>>2982215
Can you draw circles on paper? if so, you just need some getting used to tablets (did you try drawing from your elbow / shoulder) and there's always a circle tool if you need a circle real fast and can't be bothered.

If you can't draw a circle on paper though, I'd suggest you do some exercises on arm control and precision. Having a steady hand and being able to draw exact lines can be crucial dependin on your style.

>>2982433
It's cleaner and more detailed, and that's the only improvement.
Overall it bears no likeness to the original, only the pose is the same. If you can't see what's wrong, make each of these into a separate layers, lower the opacity of the top layer, and superimpose the images, then switch on and off to see what's wrong.

>>2982378
Yeah, well, that's the fucking point. Because there are so many proportions and curves to take note of, it takes a lot of practice and dedication to learn how to draw a body (more so from imagination than reference). By using reference, you build up your mental library and learn what the important elements are.

Guys, I have a question:
I just tried (and failed) to copy that Stravinsky drawing, though I wonder, how long is that exercise supposed to take?
Took me like 90 minutes, and that was with rushing at the end when I realized that I fucked up the proportions something fierce.

Never really drawn anything ever since high school (10+ years ago), so I'm unsure about everything

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Thoughts on this?

>>2982449
The point of the exercise is to learn to draw what is there rather than what you think you see. I think it doesn't matter how long you take, just carefully draw the lines as accurately as you can. With practice will come speed, no shame in taking long.

>>2982449
How ever long you need. It's not a race.

>>2982453
What's the point of this?

>>2982453
Thoughtless doodles that don't look like anything sensible.

>>2982447
so are these >>2982379
shit fucking aweful? or are a few little mistake here and there fine? for example the bottom left his lower leg COULD be in that position but it doesn't exactly match the ref

>>2982462
To evoke a tunnel and a sense of flying through it in a first person perspective. In some sort of dreamscape

>>2982433
have you even read keys to drawing or any beginner book

>>2982453
get lost with your postmodern art

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>>2982462
To evoke a tunnel and a sense of flying through it in a first person perspective. In some sort of dreamscape.

>>2982469
Alright then :(

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Just mindlessly grinding gestures seems to be helping a little, but what should I really be focusing on to actively improve my gesture drawings?

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>>2982406
I tried something diferent, gonna scrap it though cause no love for it

>>2982465
You don't have to copy the exact pose (unless that's what you're going for). As far as my understanding goes, in figure drawing the whole point is to take your time and take in the details, anatomy and proportions. So if in the end, you get a result that generally looks like the model, you're doing fine. i wouldn't necessarily say yours are terrible, but they do look rushed. your general form seems to be ok, but try to take note of the smaller details like the skin indentation as well.

>>2982465
The very point of doing studies is mastering accurate copying to learn how something should look.

>>2982472
Well, GJ at failing to convey it.

>>2982474
gay as fuck

>>2982474
the flow and movement of the whole figure. exaggerating a bit is usually a good way to go. remember, gesture isn't as much about anatomy.
his back in your drawing looks a bit stiff, you could have easily pushed it, to be more pronounced.

>>2982485
Look m8, if it was up to me I'd be drawing nothing but flat chested lolis in lewd poses, but Proko doesn't have a series on that.

>>2982487
If, hypothetically, someone did make a lesson series on that, would everyone just pirate it or would it make money?

>>2982492
Yarhar matey.

>>2982148
I hate drawing this ugly motherfucker. He appears in every other picture on quickposes. Probably the site owner wants people to see him naked.

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>>2982441
>>2982445
I'll overlay this one now but i hope it's more accurate
>>2982468
what do you mean specifically by this
what about this triggers this response from you?

>>2982474
I'm gonna quote something another anon told me that I think may help you:

"What my art teacher told me, and what stuck to me, was that gesture is the opposite of contour. When gesture drawing, you're drawing internal movement of forms, rather than the outline of forms themselves: imagine you're sketching the vectors of the object's movement rather than its forms.
They should generally be really fast, and once you start working in surface detail, it's usually not considered a gesture anymore (but some people just seem to think a gesture is any quick figure drawing) but anyway, thinking of it like that really helped my figure drawing. Hope that helped"

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>>2982498
How do I actually stop being blind
Why can I never get even close with any study

>>2982501
1) don't beat yourself up
2) eat a cookie, u r gud boy
3) Try draw hard thing again

like anon said, don't be too hard on yourself. The only way to improve is through practice and doing things you aren't good at. Do them and force yourself to get better.

>>2982501
More landmarks and better (more detail and contrast) references. Learning to think in 3D also helps.

For now I suggest studying faces (find high resolution portraits or use a mirror) and drawing your own. The manface you gave her is exactly what they call symbol drawing, and you need to break that habit. Know that many viewers could care less about poor anatomy if the face is attractive, and know that the opposite is also true.

>>2982501
Keep measuring.

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>>2982502
thank
>>2982504
>>2982505
Yeah imma swap to another study after this and study faces again

>>2982498
>what about this triggers this response

the glaring measurement errors lol

>>2982513
Well I'm bad at it then, do you mind showing me how to correct this? If you don't want to then point me to the page in KtD so I can look through it again

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Do the proportions of this look correct?

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>>2982520

Is it a good idea to force yourself to draw from imagination without erasing?

>>2982544
it might be good practice on planning ahead and arm control, I suppose. But only do that after you're very confident that you know the proportions and details. Otherwise you might learn and stick to wrong proportions.

>>2982544
Just stop bother erasing at all. Or draw with something that can't be erased.

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>>2982500
Yeah, that seems like pretty standard advice on the topic. I think I'm breaking the body down into too many segments and drawing the gesture of each of those rather than the flow of the whole thing. Maybe I'll try lowering the time limit.

I can tell my balance and proportions are way off, too. Balance I'll hopefully correct by grinding, proportions I'm not really sure if they're vital to gestures but I'll be studying that eventually.

>>2982538
Too long for any modifications of military Humvees I know. The perspective is wonky too, it's like your Humvee is curved.

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Is there anything I can do about the "waveyness" of my lineart? I'm not worried about the little nicks in the lines, because they're easy to correct, but there's alot of uneven waves within the lines after they've been cleaned up abit, and I was wondering if there's a function I can use to even them out easily. I'd just do it by hand (and have been) but I got 19 drawings to do that need clean lines.

>>2982582

Alright, gonna try to get it right.

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What do you think of my Winnie the Poop?

>>2982595
PS? Use lazy nezumi.

>>2982605
I think that this is a very elaborate bait, so here's a single (You) for effort.

>>2982612
naw, Gimp, but I just got PS to use now in the future. And I have started using lazy and it's pretty amazing, but I have like 19 different drawing that are in this shape and not enough time to really re-ink all of them. they were inked irl on paper... biggest mistake I could have made I think

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>>2982147
>crash
>6 hours of work lost

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>>2982647

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>>2982520
>>2982538
>>2982582

I tried again but failed. I'll make sure to do better measurements and start over. I just realized there was a technique from Loomis I could have used to save time, I am so silly.

>>2982680
How even does loomis help you drawing cars?

>>2982647

>he hasn't conditioned himself to regularly hit ctrl S

ngmi

>>2982694
>>2982694


If you go to page 37 of Successful Drawing by Andrew Loomis, he talks about converting measurements of your choice back into perspective very accurately. I just realized I could simply get the Specification of anything, convert these measurements by multiplying or dividing into any suitable scale I want to always draw in the correct proportions.


I can't believe I was so dumb as to try to ''eye out'' squares in perspective for such technical things, lmao. If only I tried to pay attention to the goddam book everyone keeps memein' around. Although to be honest, Loomis is a bit daunting for a beginner. It is only after going through a bit of Scott Robertson that I can understand it a bit better, but maybe I am just a bit daft.
Gonna give this idea a try and see how it goes, if it doesn't work I'll just go to sleep and continue tomorrow.

>>2982647
autosaves?

>>2982694
>>2982716

That was a copy & paste of the message I meant to send 3 hours ago. I've been trying the method I talked about and yes it works, but the issue is that you need an extremely large piece of paper so you can have the vanishing points available yet, have a decent sized drawing without any distortion (I ended up drawing a mini-humvee, with the correct proportions).


It's a bummer really, I like this method a lot more than having to guess it out by breaking down common objects into squares. I'll go to sleep and check Loomis again tomorrow, there must be something else I am missing.
>Upload failed

Welp, can't post mini Humvee.

I feel it is much less stressful to draw from life than from an image, as though it were easier.

How can I relax and draw from an image? It never comes out right.

>>2982477
her face looks very tense
try relaxing her a bit

>>2982716
>>2982719

Huh...I just check Scott's book and he actually has a solution to my issue. It's called the Brewer method, allows you to create grids with vanishing points off the page, and the measuring technique of Loomis should still work just fine...

If anyone is interested, you can find the Brewer method in Scott's book, How to draw Page 054.

>>2982147
test

>>2982729
It worked

Ok I finally decided to start drawing. What pencil do I buy?

>>2982741

Fineliners

0.1 for fine detail
0.3 for everything
0.5 line thickness
0.7 shadows

>>2982742
thanks, I guess I'll buy them all then.

>>2982729
test

>start sketching with prismacolors
>enjoy drawing way more

I'm a fag isn't it

So, I just started out with the "Drawing on sthe Right Side of the Brain" book and did the first lesson, "Self Portrait"
Since I don't own a mirror, I instead used a stockphoto (shutterstock 519626059).
Is a first drawing supposed to look THIS bad?

http://imgur.com/a/OtjKx
Because "Error: Upload failed."

>>2982775
What ever works for you anon

>when you realize that if you had just been drawing instead of wasting years of your free time playing MMOs, you'd already be a pro

Feels bad, man

>>2982777
>Is a first drawing supposed to look THIS bad?
yes

>>2982777
>Is a first drawing supposed to look THIS bad?
definitely

you should be content, you can only go up from here

I'm having trouble seeing the big picture when I start a drawing. I mean I focus too much on a smaller portion and then my proportions and construction get all out of wack. Any advice on avoiding "tunnel vision" I guess?

What technique do you use to blend smoothly in photoshop? My blending is pretty rough, you can see the brush stroke edges.

>>2982802

So stop focusing on the small details early on?

Try planning out your proportions and construction for the whole piece first.

I've been practicing drawing things with a ball point pen and paper, and I have a ton of trouble drawing things without clearly defined corners and sides.
I can draw a good looking clenched fist because it is easy to draw bony knuckles sticking out, but something like a relaxed female hand is impossible for me.

>>2982680
Well, it doesn't look curved now at least... Well, maybe the tiniest bit, I'd rather say it's an optical illusion... Oh great, I can't unsee it. Anybody else sees it?

>>2982702
CSP master race doesn't need any of this shit. Automatic backups FTW.

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>sketch out a cute satsuki in krita
>looks fine until I ink it
What am I missing? Also what do you guys think of my style?

>>2982853
You're missing your sight, a brain, and awareness.

I recommend Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson.

>>2982853
I was about to write something mean and very critical but I stopped.
It's not that great desu.

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How can I fix these eyes?

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>>2982853
Reminds me of that Yuuka portrait.

>>2982860
And those cheekbones remind me of that Cirno portrait. I haz the redline, it might help you.

is there any better way of drawing hands than just observing my left hand over and over? loomis and 0033 have a bunch of hands drawn but they dont mention the actual method.

How do I hold the pen guys? never drawn in my life

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There's something seriously wrong with this head but I'm too stupid to discern what it is about it that I find incorrect. Can anyone see the mistake?

>>2982877
Dynamic quadruped grip

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Trying to settle on a style

>>2982892
you honestly need to kill yourself

>>2982897
thats not critique or advice at all!

>>2982900
see above

>>2982901
why you mad thou

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>>2982879
The top half of the face is looking up and the bottom half is looking straight horizontally. Do you see what I mean? The face is skewed in different directions. Nose is also a little low. The neck is drawn too far back.

You should work on your head construction. Follow a basic technique like Loomis or Michael Hampton. It will help you keep everything in alignment and in the right proportion.

>>2982874
need answer

>>2982874
Get a sex friend, preferably several, and observe their hands too. That's the only way that's better.

>>2982924
I see what you mean, thank you; I should probably read Hampton at this point

>>2982935
He has a great video series if you can find it online. I think it's up for torrent.

>>2982939
Woah really? I'll have to get that somehow

>>2982879
how many times have you posted this face

>>2982935
>>2982941
I hope this time you really will, Finlay. Just do it already, seriously. It's long since due.

>>2982931
is it easier to get a sex friend than a gf?

>>2982897
Who pissed in your cornflakes?

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what kind of references should one use to be able to draw characters like pic related?
actually how do artists use references for characters in general?

>>2982972
/beg/ doesnt know

>>2982972
Imagination.

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drew my own damn self

>>2982986
stop attention seeking
grind or leave

>>2982960
Hmmm... who knows. It depends on the culture.

>>2982972
Sauce. Gib. Nao. Pl0x.

>>2982990
britbongistan culture

>>2982972
Just draw lines nigga

>>2982991
I think getting a sex friend would be easier.

>>2982996
especially for an autist

>>2982990
hashima000

>>2982988
this is literally the first muhstyle thing ive did after a year of mind numbing studies. trying to have some fun here and there)

>>2983001
>fun
ngmi

>>2983006
how is week 2 of draw) it will get better)

>>2982225
torso's great, but the legs' perspective/anatomy are a bit off
>>2982229
this one literally has two left feet

>>2982465
you're not trying to be a photocopier. use the reference to help you make an appealing drawing. this is why people recommend pushing gestures to make the pose more dynamic, or changing the lighting to make the anatomy easier to see.

>>2982999
So it wasn't Touhou after all. Oh well, thanks anyway.

>>2982997
Even then getting a sex friend would be easier than getting a GF, don't you agree? They wouldn't care less about your psyche as long as you're a smooth criminal in bed. You need to be a smooth talker too though.

/virgin sex advice best advice

>>2983012
Better not be overconfident. I've seen a lot of people plateau right after a burst of progress.

>>2982874
need anwer

>>2982874
No, just keep drawing. That's what Loomis and 0033 did.

>>2982972

- Porn.

- Movie scenes.

- Other artist work. Yes, you can use other artist work as ref. People do it all the time.


You also have to be able to draw first.

>>2982874

Don't rely only on one or two source to learn from.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=how+to+draw+hand

Learn from anything you can get your hands on. Look for videos/torrent etc...

This is from my experience is the fastest way to learn. It's faster if you have a teacher to guide you 1 on 1 though... beggars cant be choosers.
Doesn't work if you're a lazy fuck.

>>2982720
i feel ya on that one. just practice more, but not mindless practice. take time to study the image. take measurements of where things are and try to get the angles right on a practice sheet of paper. thats usually my problem, i dont get the right angle for lines or something is not in the right spot. it even helps to trace certain things a couple of times and then draw it. kinda like a forcing your brain to get the angles right. i dont know if this helps, but it certainly helps me when im trying to draw from a picture or on a screen, hell it even helps when im trying to draw from real life (well, you cant trace real life, but you know what i mean).

>>2983041
thank you. using other artist's work sounds scary though

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How do I convert my ability to draw on paper to a tablet?

>>2983077
By first learning how to read and resizing your fucking images to 1000x

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>>2982874
This is the framework I use to draw my hands. After practicing a whole lot I learned to use this to draw any hand position.

>>2983086
this has to be bait

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>>2983084
Fuck, my bad.

>>2983086
Can you explain how this works in other hand positions? With drawing preferably.

>>2983092
breddy gud dbh

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Total noob here. I started with fun with a pencil and got stuck at the part where loomis demonstrates the divided ball and plane method. After a couple of hours of analyzing and confusion, I whipped up this 5-minute abomination. Gotta start somewhere I guess. I suppose his other book 'head and hands' would go more in-depth.

I already dropped all vices/distractions including vidya and porn so I could focus on studies so I'm not giving up just yet. It's going to take years of learning and practice to nail down everything accurately.

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Is this, dare I say it, kawa-ii?

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>>2983093
In general, if you split up the hand into the palm, finger groups, and then individual fingers, you can create some alright hands.

Looking at you hands and breaking it up into simple shapes can help understand structures of how different hand positions work.

Sorry that first post was pretty gay.

>>2983110
sugoi!

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Draw this.

>>2982337
Who told you that you had to draw perfect circles, especially with a tablet, when your art app has circle drawing tools? Artists use compasses to draw perfect circles, why is it you think you can't draw a circle with a circle tool?

You're obsessing over something that isn't that important. Move on to the rest of drawing.

>>2982442
The shoulder is one pivot point, you can draw circles just as well from the wrist and fingers as well. Trying to draw a 1" circle from the shoulder is just silly and a waste of time.

>>2983092
This is my normal drawing, but I suck ass at tablet drawing, are there any tips to transferring to digital art?

>>2982474
Take it to the next step. Gesture is over emphasized here, it's simply one facet of drawing - move on to the rest.

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rip me /ic/

>>2982501
Honestly, your reference isn't the greatest. It's an awkward pose, and probably too advanced for you. Find another pose that's more simple.

>>2982544
Why is erasing something you consider bad? Did someone tell you artists don't erase? Because it's not true.

>>2983110
Kawaii.

>>2983086
is this from the jack hamm book

>>2982741
Start with one of each hardness: 2H 1H, HB, F, 1b, 2b. Try them all, find the ones you like (HB is a standard pencil, like a yellow school pencil.) H is harder, b is softer.

>>2982811
You can use the blending brush, or what I do is work with very low opacity, 10-30%, and brush over transitions and build color up. I use the alt/option key to pick up color (it's the eyedropper tool) to get different parts of the gradation to blend with. I also use a medium hard brush (center solid, edges fade).

>>2982839
Stop using a ball point pen. You have no control over your line quality with one. They're made to write with, not draw.

>>2982972
Imagination, or they hire models to pose for them.

>>2983144
i agree with this , i use to use ball point then i started using a micron and fountain pens for a while then tried a ball point again and absolutely hated it. all the lines come out so stiff .

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plop.

I'm going too dark but I can't help it.

what is the actual process of drawing hands? none of the guides mention anything beyond "here are the general measurements"

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I'm moving away from head drawings and back into figure drawing starting with the torso. No reference used. Please critique.

>>2983244
are you afraid of hips because it ain't a torso without them

with reference to the graph of perceived competence in dunning kreuger theory, if i think that i am getting worse, does that mean that i am getting better?

>>2983257
No, if you are objectively getting worse you are probably still improving in the long run.
In the long run.

>>2983263
you didnt read the post. my question was, is it objective?

>>2983241
need answer

>>2983256
I'm working on studying the rest of it lol

>>2983110
I wonder how her neck can possibly bear such a huge head without breaking... Anyway, you overcame the threshold of "cringeworthy" and "bearable," congrats. I wish you luck in your journey to "cute."

>>2983210
L-Life-like texture...!!
If the trunk / branch is actually drawn, then I am honestly amazed. This is one damn good job.

>>2983244
I'm not sure her far eye looks as it should look. And the outline of her far cheek seems to be too smooth.

>>2983241
My process of drawing hands goes like this:
1) I draw a lame shape denoting hands.
2) When cleaning up the lineart, I visualize the hand gesture that I want to draw.
3) I make this gesture with my hand and observe it thoroughly while drawing the hand.
4) I add feminine features to it, and voila, it's done!

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i want to draw anime babes but i'm stuck drawing cubes

>>2983241
I watched https://youtu.be/TyYCkesl2PE earlier and it was pretty interesting/useful/good background noise

>>2983279
then copy lots of anime babes

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Hey i want to get into pixel art, was looking for some feedback on this.
Inspired by this:
https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=manga&illust_id=53512918

>>2983296
>copy

they have to be MY anime girls

and nobody else's

>>2983301
then you will have no anime girls

>>2983304
i will draw as many cubes as neededs

>>2983301
from copying lots of anime girls and watching people draw anime girls and trying to engage with the process you can learn how to draw anime babes; you just have to be super unoriginal at first. When you find consistent problems with your art from imagination (where you test what you've learnt), that's when you'd probably need to look to fundie exercises

>>2983244
I feel like you're playing too safe

>>2983289
i mean, the actual process of it. or do you just blag it? currently i draw a curved box in the general shape of the palm, then i oval a mound onto it for the large thumb muscle then i glue on cylinders for fingers. its pretty shit though so maybe a teacher's method is needed.

>>2983276
thank you, senpai! That made my day.

>>2983316
¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How does one go about learning to enjoy the process of drawing? I'm used to working in a goal-oriented way and as such I have a hard time being 'patient enough' to work a piece to completion. Are there any mental exercises or practices for this?

>>2983337
Draw what you want to draw

I posted the soul of cinder earlier hoping to see how others drew it, currently drawing it.

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Been trying to get into sprite pr0n, this is the first one I did after about a day or two of work.

I used paint.NET and a method I call focusing, for lack of knowing if it's an actual term. I basically start with a 20x40 canvas and do a crude outline. Then I double the pixels over and over again until I get a nice level of detail.

I think the problem is I'm forgetting that it's supposed to be low-res, and increasing the size when I'm not finished up with what I already have yet.

First time actually discovering this board, be gentle

>>2983343
>first time discovering
>doesn't read sticky
I can't give you my eyeballs because they're attached to my skull, do you have a dead friend or someone who can lend you a pair?

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>>2983350
>If you are a /beg/inner in art, please use this thread to post pieces for critique or ask for advice. We should not have to make new threads or post in the drawthread with our fundamental exercises.

>Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make someone proud.

would you rather I make a whole new thread to ask for help or would you rather have me keep my autism contained

>>2982330
>what is perspective
don't worry m8 just wrap your head around foreshortening and all that, no camera can take a photo that perfectly replicates proportions, that would require an infinite distance between it and the subject

>>2983354
Nice reaction image faggot.

No see, your mental retardation comes from the idea that your "exercises" or "drawing" is worth the critique. Notice how it says "fundamental exercises" that isn't a fundamental exercise.

You don't even have anything to critique. What are you trying to do? Is that supposed to be a man? You aren't even trying to draw it realistically or stylize in a way that can be considered a style. The fuck do you want kid, a cookie, a pat on the back?

It took you an entire day "or two" to do that? I'd rather you READ THE FUCKING STICKY AND LEARN HOW TO DRAW BEFORE THINKING YOUR SHIT IS WORTH AN ENTIRE FUCKING POST IN ANY THREAD.

>inb4 LELELE TROLLED XDDD
Being a retard on purpose isn't trolling.

I recommend Keys by Dodson, learn to draw from life, or if you're more interested in drawing from imagination, Loomis Fun with a Pencil.

Then again, if you want to draw like a kindergartner keep doing what you're doing and spend days of your already worthless time.

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>>2983360
bait harder faggot

>>2983363
This is a quality post and contributes to fruitful discussion of art.

>>2983354
reported

>>2983360
Why aren't you drawing? Why are you wasting your time typing this shit?

I always get kind of sad every time I see a meaningless internet fight on this board (sakimichan thread for example, look at all the walls of text over there) because ALL OF YOU SHOULD BE FUCKING DRAWING

>inb4 why aren't you drawing
I already did, now I'm going to bed.

>>2983377
yay, an actual nice person
they do exist

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>>2982721
think I managed to make it worse orz

>>2983388
It's an improvement, the head looks a bit big though, so unless you want it that way, getting rid of part of the back of her head might help.

Make two project files though, I don't want my opinions turning someone's art into unrepairable shit

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>>2983244

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>>2983392
her hairs suppose to be poofy but I took a notch out and it does look better

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Whew, everything comes out so thick when I'm following the Proko "bean" method.

I guess it does help figure out what the torso is sort of doing though.

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Trying to transition from transitional to digital

How long is a nib on a wacom pen supposed to last?

>>2983502
*trying to tradition from transitional to dogital

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hello, trying to get better at rendering/colours

>>2983540
depends on grip, frequency of usage, and how hard u press down on the tablet.

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>>2983568
the reference. i was trying to capture the moody, foggy feel and getting a sense of depth

>>2983568
already from the thumbnail you can see your colors are too saturated. How long are you taking when you are choosing color? And lot of areas towards or in front of light can have softer edges and not just more opaque. Then again it doesn't seem finished yet.

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>>2982879
As you're working I suggest you look at it in a mirror occasionally, it flips the image and lets you catch things you may otherwise miss. because its way off now.
pic related

>>2982879
how are you drawing this stuff?

>>2983575
luv dis anon, really like how free you are with graphite

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Why is this so terrible?

>>2983588
are you using the wrong tone for darker areas of value?

>>2983590
I tried to stylize the colors/values a bit but I guess it went wrong there

>>2983493
thicc! THICC!

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>>2983588

>>2983622
haha le thick

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>>2983460
Made a character. Ran out of room for the feet. She's supposed to be floating. Feedback appreciated.

>>2983676
Fairly generic, the figure says "ex vollyball in college, now 35", not elf.

The boobs are all wrong

ProTip - when you see a woman's nipple straight on, the other one will always be in profile, unless she had a bad tit job. You shouldn't use models with bad tit jobs, as the shape of the breasts are unnatural.

The shoulders are all wrong.

Your shading is clumsy, and I can tell from the grain of the paper you're drawing too small.

As usual here, there is more detail and care for the nipples, than the rest of the figure, and her extremities and face get blurred smudges, instead of careful rendering. Look, if you want to draw to jerk off, that's fine, but don't share it her, m'kay?

If this had been a class assignment, this is C - D level work.

>>2983666
Pay attention. I can tell how you're slapping values around, you don't understand the underlying structure of a face, and are simply trying to photocopy. This might be above your skill level.

I won't bother with a list of things wrong with it, because I don't think you're at the level to understand it.

>>2983588
It's terrible, because you don't have the fundamentals to work at this level.

>>2983540
They wear out faster on the tablets, and it's all about how hard you press the nib, and how often. With my old tablet, I didn't press that hard, so mine would last a year or more. I wore a tablet's drawing surface out before the nib wore out. I fixed it by getting the scratches out with emery paper and polishing compound.

My Cintiq, I'm still using the nib it came with, 4 years ago, plenty of life left in it. At this rate, I have a lifetime supply, with the extras in the pen holder.

>>2983588
Lol I just used this photo for reference an hour ago. "Girl head tilting up" in google and this one was of the first ones.

>>2983568
Look at your reference more closely, you're missing tons of color in the leaves and shadows. Stop painting with black - the reference you have isn't black, it's dark browns and ochres and greys. The source goes from emerald green at the bottom to sap green in the middle, with yellows and ochres and umbers and all kinds of color you completely missed.

LOOK at the photo.

If it helps, squint your eyes so it's just blurry masses of color.

>>2983684
Ok, so shoulders and breasts need adjustment. And the figure can use some definition and clearer shading.

>As usual here, there is more detail and care for the nipples, than the rest of the figure,
Well, the nipples are fairly easy to draw? I mean, it's a small circle and a cast shadow. I'm still learning how to draw the rest of the figure. I have gaps in my anatomy knowledge. So yeah I am lacking detail in a lot of areas. The size I drew it in also doesn't help with detail work.

>if you want to draw to jerk off, that's fine, but don't share it her, m'kay?
Just because she's nude? I'm really not. I'm just practicing my drawing.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Very slowly working my way through Han's dynamic drawing. I'm at the simple forms exercise in which he wants you to draw intersecting forms as well as subtract forms from larger forms and I'm not sure I'm doing it correctly. I'm not sure how much an understanding of perspective is for this exercise since my understanding is very simplistic.
It's looking like earlier exercises in Draw a box are more my speed.
But I'm sure someone can course correct me for when I do finally make my way back around to this exercise.

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>>2983711
Here's a page of my homework from that week from when I was taking the class. Focus on using everything from lesson one to make your lines as clean as possible. Yours looks too scratchy.

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Why does the face I drew look ugly? I'm not quite sure why

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>>2983720
shit

>>2983720
because you are symbol drawing and you don't know how a face works

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T_T

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>draw prokos ribcage simplification
>can't make the drawings look 3d and cant draw them at angles
Is this something to do with Feeling the Form? How do I get better? Am I just being impatient?

>>2983723
Why did you change the direction of her eyes?

And, there's too much white showing under her eyes.

She has no upper eyelids. They're there, you're just not looking close enough.

Work on blending, and edges. The lighting along her nose isn't that sharp. DEFINE the ear, don't just make smudges.

The neckline is wrong. LOOK at her head and neck. You can't see the back edge of her neck, because it's in shadow, so you have to use your knowledge of anatomy to make up for it. Her neck, jawline and the back of her head are too far right.

Her left shoulder is too low, compared to her right. You're not looking closely enough at what's right in front of you, or taking measurments.

You exaggerated her features, if you overlay your painting over the photo, you'll see it. It's a common mistake to make - but also means you're not measuring the proportions.

Render the hair. At least TRY.

Her neck is all wrong. You're not describing a shape and volume and structure, you're just throwing values around.

Eyebrows are not block shapes. RENDER them.

You have the angle of the nose all wrong. You can barely see the underside in the photo, but you've painted all of it. This is painting what your brain expects to see, not what you're actually SEEING. Same for her nostrils. You'v given her a pig nose.

It's a good attempt, but you need to study the reference more, and take measurements and get the proportions and shapes right.

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how would I draw the left eye when at an angle to sync with the eye with the red arrow?
there are plenty of eye tutorials but each has to do with their own type of stylization. I am aiming to draw eyes like alex ahad but I can't seem to get how he does a 3/4ths view.

do stylization questions not belong in /beg/?

>>2983741
How would you say I should go about bettering my blending? I have a hard time trying to portray very soft and slow transitions of value.

>>2983744
>>2982010

>>2983684

"...when you see a woman's nipple straight on, the other one will always be in profile..."

This might be some of the best advice on body perspective I've read. Thanks!

>>2983753
with that line quality you already know he belongs here

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>>2982156
Using this as a reference, what fundamentals/resources should I be using to get better? Should I work on more general construction or should I start doing features?

>>2982373
This video finally got it to click, thanks for posting it

>>2983780
Measuring.

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>>2983788
Shit you're right, I should have checked that before I posted. Can't believe I got everything else relatively correct and yet fucked up the nose placement that badly. Guess I'll stop blindly making three segments.

>tfw you skill starts going backwards for no apparent reason

>>2983711
>>2983719


Nice, keep going.

do japanese artists read loomis?

>>2983821
They're reading Roomis.

>>2983821
Loomis is gey. Last thing I saw a jap going through is Proko's stuff.

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I drew one of (((them)))

>>2983479
The ears too close to her face, the face is just not right look up some refs of 3/4 views, the hair should be flat at the top and poofy at the bottom because of the way you've drawn it, it looks too straight to be poofy at the top

Is drawabox a meme?

>>2983829
fuck off with your /pol/ shit.

>>2983842
>NoseBro

>>2983842
I can't help that I know the truth anon. Believe me I wish I never went to that board in the first place.

>>2983719
What materials did you use?

>>2983841
it's a viable tool for beginners

>>2983846
Did you ever read the /pol/ pasta where anon falls in love with a jewish girl?

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hi, how i can resize the color picker in cs6 more bigger than i have? i saw how it work in cc2014 (pic2), but i don"t understand how it work in sc6!
it make me crazy!!

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>>2983867
what i have and what i will must have

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>>2983867
***

>>2983843
im a fucking blue eyes white d̶r̶a̶g̶o̶n̶ aryan not a jew.

Is there a trick to drawing perfectly vertical lines? I can do straight lines from any other angle by this point, but vertical lines still elude me.

>>2983905
>turn paper
>draw horizontal line
>turn paper back
>call it a vertical line

>>2983908
Not that easy when you're using an easel. I'd have to bend my waist at a 90 degree angle or something.

>>2983841
= ISIS

>>2983912
is your drawing glued to the easel? just turn your canvas, idiot.

alternatively just let your arm fall and let gravity do it's job

>>2983925
blocked and downvoted

>>2983852
>tfw no qt jewish girl to tempt me
:(

>>2983935
>>2983922
>tfw you should fuck off to /r9k/

>>2983941
>tfw I won't
:(

>>2983945
:(

>>2984094
this is amazing. i absolutely love it

>>2984094
fuck off, you're not a beginner

>>2984094
better than 94% of /beg/

>>2984108
I feel like a beginner.

>>2984111
nice trips.

i get your sentiment, but you know fairly well you won't get real critique here, move to the draw thread for your own sake, namefag

>>2984114
To be completely honest, I wasn't even thinking about it when I posted. But yeah, I guess I should post to the draw thread next time.

what are the best hand guides out there? i've read loomis and 0033

Guys what if I take a one week break. Will I lose all progress?

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>>2983839
yeah I'm awful with 3/4 orz, funny thing is I kept moving the ear closer for some reason haha

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>>2984158
also this, I'm not very confident turning things, is there a way to measure it somehow or is it really just you have to get a feel for what looks right

>>2984137
Yes.

>>2984137
where's your passion, boy

why the fuck doesnt /beg/ ever answer questions

>>2984194
Yes.

>>2984194
well there's a question thread ya know

>>2984194
Because everyone here is a beginner, anon. We don't know art.

when im good im going to make a chan-style art improvement forum that bans non stoic, attention seeking, complaining, insecure or unmotivated posters on sight. it will be an authoritarian shithole with incredibly fascist moderation. not reading the sticky will be a bannable offense.

>>2984129
just draw lots of hands and do the break-down-into-simple-3d-forms thing. you dont need a guide for everything.

>>2984203
Do it then

>>2984210
i have to be good first or no-one will follow my vision

>>2984206
im doing that now but its shit and i feel only little improvement

>>2983502
he scratch him ass

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First portrait I've done in months, pls tell what is wrong with it. Pretty sure the proportions are fucked, I drew most of my general shape without looking down from the reference.

>>2984223
post ref

>>2984226
fucking deleted it
goddamnit

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>>2984158
I should really stop touching this and go study something orz

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>>2982153
i cant do beard for shit

>>2984137
I took one week break before. Surprisingly, I improved considerably.
Now I'm having a two week break. I already noticed that I'm starting to degrade, but I just can't find the spark.

>>2984237
I know a magic spell:
Stellar Phoenix Windows Data Recovery!

>>2984294
Lots of short and thin strokes (from 1 to 3 px in diameter).

>>2984444
>>2984444
>>2984444

>>2984444
>>2984444
>>2984444
>>2984444

>>2984444
>>2984444
>>2984444

>>2984217
>its shit and i feel only little improvement
then post work for critique

>>2984192
I'm just stuck somewhere I can't draw

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>>2984223
Same guy from yesterday, did this today. Critique please?

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>>2986219
Here is the reference I used