Alternative Art/Stylization General

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>>2961229
>>2961231
worst 2hu

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>>2961230

Reposting from old thread because my timing is worse than my art.

>>2961233
She's a pretty shitty character, but I can't help but like mikos. Especially warm colored ones.

>>2961236
Where's your lightsource? Define a lightsource and drop planes facing away from it into shadow. Group the shapes and patterns together. Make sure your drawing reads on a thumbnail.
That's all I can think of right now. Good technique, but the lighting is really off putting.

>>2961229
>Image I didn't even draw that I spent 5 minutes editing with color sliders gets to be OP image
>Original artwork gets ignored

:(

>>2961282
Welcome to the /asg/. Remember to thank Kyle for nothing.

>>2961229
That's a cute reimoo

>>2961282
Chico isn't that smart

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>>2961260

I didn't design the lighting.

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Although I am but a beginner, I think this thread is a more proper place for my question.
Currently my backgrounds look like this at best. I want to be able to draw gorgeous (photorealistic or animoo realistic) backgrounds, and I stumbled upon this tutorial.
http://www.mclelun.com/2015/11/anime-background-paint-over-photo.html
http://www.mclelun.com/2015/10/anime-background-tutorial.html

Obviously, you can't find a reference for everything, but if there are fellows who used this or a similar method... say, do you think getting familiar with this technique would help one in understanding the key points of an awesome background?

>>2961761
I need to get around to watching that show.

>>2961799
it's pretty dumb, it might be the dumbest premise for an any every in fact

cute though

>>2961801
anything ever* not an any every

>>2961722
>http://www.mclelun.com/2015/10/anime-background-tutorial.html
I think the problem is if you just do that you will end up relying on photos all the time to help you with your backgrounds. You won't learn how to set one up on your own with good composition/perspective/lighting, etc, and will have to rely on finding or taking good photos to do so.

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fml, while I was looking through tutorials I found a color scheme which I used just to see how it worked.

After I started painting with it I realized that my normal edition of coloring skin was vastly inferior and I had never made skin look so attractive before. Pic related, the yellow blob is my usual style, while the other is with the color scheme.

I would like to be happy but the giddiness is overshadowed by the fact that I feel like an incompetent thief for using someone's color scheme( they released it with a tutorial though) and that on my own I wouldn't be there.

But still I can't fathom going back to what I used to do, I have no sans on coloring on my own...

what am I supposed to do?

>>2961830

You sound like a pussy.

Do what you need to do to produce the best work possible.

What do I draw to stop being shit?

>>2961830
It looks like fucking shit
Go grind fundies, NOW

>>2961835
the sketch or the coloring? Cause I spent like two minutes on the sketch just to practice the coloring...

Or the shading instead of the coloring?

Values or color?? Structure? This is too vague

>>2961843
The face man the face
You have to spend more time drawing real people before you delve into stylization
Or hell just go redraw a bunch of anime pictures, they'll still help you realize the mistakes you're making

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>>2961846
yes... I do try to draw real people, though I find it boring at times, which is why I revert to stylized since they all look so lifeless when I draw them, maybe stale. Pic related

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>>2961236

Another.

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do i need to grind fundies and learn real anatomy and all that stuff if all I wanna do is draw cute annie may girls?

>>2961830
blog senor?

>>2961861
>Hi I didn't read the OP

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>>2961863
Thank you so much for asking, but I don't have a blog, I want to make one when I git gud, I usually just send my mom my painting and then delete it or save it in the vast array of my downloads folder.

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>>2961905

Ok so, its me again, I decided to find a ref and try to make a realistic sketch, I hope this is better than my previous one, then I'll start coloring it

>>2961954

Way better.

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I am by no means a beginner, but here's some eye practice that turned into a bust. It's kind of old so my style today is a little different.

when did alt turn into the beginner thread rofl

>>2961984
fuck off or post your work

>>2961990
to be fair he's right, most of the stuff so far is garbage

>>2962003
/ic/ is already painfully stale, negative and slow, artists do not need more discouragement to not post

this attitude is why we had shit like 'beg beginners' cause the elite are too stuck up

>>2962010
>abloo bloo bloo

Leave.

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>>2961858

Used this to fine tune my print settings, so to see how the ink holds up a threw some marker on one of the test pages.

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Does she read more as a witch or a maid?

>>2962013
sorry but I can't take anyone seriously who says 'bloo' instead of 'boo'

>>2962022
If she's supposed to be a maid, she's not frilly enough.

Also nice style. Reminds me of a toned down Chris Sanders.

>>2962022
It looks like that girl from Frozen in a bus.

>>2962022
A maid. Like the ones you see at a fantasy inn/bar.

>>2962035
>>2962041
More frills seems like a good bet
>>2962040
Oh crap. The hair does make her look like Elsa. Woops

>>2962052
>Oh crap. The hair does make her look like Elsa. Woops

haha, it looks fine though don't worry

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>>2961954
I actually find this version of her skin look too pinkish...

>>2962010
look, it might be stale, but that really isnt an excuse to let people who obviously need beginners criticism to post in a non-beginners thread. that isn't elitism, that's just fucking fact. like i want them to get good as much as you do but you babying them, not telling them to go kill themselves, and not directing them to /beg/ isn't going to help.

this is 4chan for fucks sake. what do you think this is r/art&critique ?

>>2962067
Her left eye makes it look like she is slightly turned towards viewer. But her nose, lips, and chin are in 90 degree profile view. Choose one.

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>>2962067
>that pallet yet still mud coloring
>shit lighting
>doesn't understand perspective
>random yellow tones
>demlips.jpeg

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>>2962080
>>2962083

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how do people draw 'sexy' women? thinking about drawing hentai for $$$ but even i'm having trouble finding appeal in my own work

>>2962067
https://www.google.com/search?q=girl+profile&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjI5fmR783TAhWJMGMKHfGeCuYQ_AUICigB&biw=1778&bih=883

>>2962088
Look at sexy women and find what's sexy about them. Repeat in own work.

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>>2962089
this is the orginal ref I used

>>2962088
This looks pretty good desu.

>>2962067
i dont think you should be here anon-san. even if you are a complete /beg/fag this leaning more toward realism then stylization.

>>2962003
> most of the stuff so far is garbage
Care to tell what stuff do you not consider as garbage?

>>2961848
Drawing realism may be hard but it has the most reward. Keep at it.

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you could technically ref any handjob scene, replace the dick and the dude with a sword or weapon, and slap some bikini fantasy armor on the girl for an instant sexy knight piece.

>>2962209
Are you saying you referenced porn for this

>>2962217
> sexy knight piece
> that
> sexy
dunno man

>>2961722
It's a valid technique especially if your focus is the figures but you need to be sure you use royalty free stock (Googling this phrase will get you plenty that you can use for profit so you don't have to worry about linking back or anything).

But you should also learn how to paint from scratch because without that basic skill you won't b able to make proper scene extensions or add to the scene convincingly.

>>2961761
>>2961799
What show?

Pic is cute but really simple. Do something more dynamic because busts are boring.
>>2961861
Yes. You can't stylize life convincingly without a basis in fundamentals. It'll look like shitty deviantart babys first animu drawings.

>>2961980
A bust isn't just a head. Needs shoulders at the least to be a bust. This is a head.

The rendering is decent but the actual construction of the face is creepy and uncanny valley-like because it's so far from life or even a stylization of life.

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>>2961236
>>2961858
>>2962019

One more for the night.

>>2962253
I like these. What are you doing them for?

>>2962253
youre the guy who did all those frazetta studies, right?
you never emailed me :(

>>2962255

Just logging miles on the pen.

>>2962256

I am not. Although now you've given me the idea to do some Frazetta stuff.

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What do you do if you're starting a comic but fucking hate doing line art

>>2962241
>> But you should also learn how to paint from scratch because without that basic skill you won't b able to make proper scene extensions or add to the scene convincingly.
Um, care to elaborate?

>>2962283
How about a painterly-style comic?

>>2962283

Paint it, or reconsider why you're doing a comic in the first place.

>>2962259
do you feel like it's helping? can you post a piece you've done on your own

>>2962293

The pieces I've posted ITT are the first I've done with the pen I'm using. I bought a wide format printer a few days ago so this is the first time I'm doing real inking practice.

>>2962289
I've thought about it, but I'm not sure it'd be right for such a cartoony story and designs. Guess I can try it.

>>2962290
I love writing and drawing, I just hate making all the lines super neat.

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People didn't like this as I posted progress but I'm just happy to have finished something.

>>2962339
Its pretty bad but gj on finishing

>>2962336
Body's good, face is bad. Looks like you usually draw more realistically and have no idea how to stylize it. Don't go with some moeblob garbage, study Ergo Proxy or Kill la Kill or something. Heck, study Evangelion.

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>>2962341
Thanks. I was pretty far done by the time I got critique (pic related is first one so you can see the difference. I fixed some of the concerns as best I could but I didnt get much specific critique aside from "xyz sucks."

Funny enough people raged over this but ignored one I posted later in the thread in a different style so is it mostly the style that sucks? What about it?

I do draw dynamic poses sometimes this was just something simple to get me started into drawing again, took a break because i have some wrist damage (Dont work in a kitchen if you're planning to do this professionally one day...)


I just want to know what specifically is wrong. if the face is jacked, in what way. If the coloring is jacked, in what way? Ive looked at it too much and legitimately can't tell aside from some wonkiness on the eyes and maybe the mouth (two weakpoints in many of my drawings).

We have all been there where we can't tell the specific fuck ups on it because we've looked at it for too many hours. I flipped it horizontally and even upside down and have fixed everything that I saw wrong through that but obviously there's more, and I gotta know so I know what to look at.

Saying "life" doesn't help. If it's the eyes, say the eyes.

Thanks. I just want a critique that will actually help me is all.

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>>2962259
Hm. Well, i wish you would
:(
Now tell me how old you are so i can hate myself

>>2962304
>I love writing and drawing, I just hate making all the lines super neat.

So don't make the lines super neat then. Look up Michael Lark or Alex Maleev or even Klaus Janson.

>>2962346
>absolutely nothing wrong with the face
>probably don't like it cause the drawing has no idea whether it wants to be a disney drawing or a moe uguu drawing
>"hurr don't draw moeblob garbage" I say on a thread that promotes alternative and stylized artwork

?????????

>>2962355
Jesus christ never post again

>>2962353

I'm 26 and believe me, nobody hates themself more than I hate myself.

>>2962357
I only wonder why you posted something so redundant as "don't draw moeblob garbage" and then said a face was bad just because you didn't like it stylistically.

but it's to be expected that for pointing something like that out your only feasible response without sounding idiotic would be a personal attack.

>>2962362
Im not that anon but I agree to a small extent. The facial features are really flat because of that style. If you go with this style you need to be able to back it up with good coloring in my opinion.

For moe I suggest studying K-on to see small details that will add more dimension to the face without diminishing the moe style too much.

>>2962253

back back (forearm, up to deltoid) is a little too large compared to the forward facing arm (or alternatively his left arm is too small). I know your doing a 1 v 1 of your ref, just saying.

>>2961236

I found your ref. I would be a bit more considerate of form, specifically I like that you're doing this to probably get a feel of his lines, but look at the rectangular shape of the claws coming out in your ref vs your work. The forms a bit lost on the claws. Also If you're learning to get his lines, this is great, but I would give it another try trying to get his lines with a gesture. Don't know if that makes sense but certain areas like on the legs and shadows seem kinda scratchy/not fully confident.

These are great 1 to 1s either away! Keep em up.

I'm curious to see your originals.

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Hows this looking overall?
I spent like 10 years doing different facial expressions on her and I'm still not sure what I want.

>>2962368
>The facial features are really flat

isn't that something to be expected most of the time when you draw anime? most everything among anime drawn faces denotes a false sense of form when information like shading is so limited and color is removed. Even your K-on's faces could be seen flat. the only real reason why anyone sees any form at all is due to context like the edges of the face and jawline and seeing the face at multiple angles.

I'm only talking about heavily stylized anime here what with big eyes and whatnot but the logic is all there. There's nothing really wrong with the face in terms of it being flat because of the style. Sure the right eye might be at an odd angle but that's not due to the style in any way. and if the artist really wanted to define the form of the face more without it looking flat then changing the style altogether is hardly the first thing to suggest.

>>2962385
compare kon to luckystar

>>2962385
> Even your K-on's faces could be seen flat
>> Even
>>> Even
What the actual fuck.
Am I the only one who perceives those faces as completely flat crap with symbol stickers plastered on them and without any hint of form?

>>2962361
Be my friend
reee

>>2962398
What the fuck are you trying to imply greentexting 'even'?

And no, the person you literally just replied to spend two paragraphs explaining how anime faces are flat as fuck by nature and uses subtle tricks to help give off an impression of form.

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>>2962355
>>2962355
>>2962368
>>2962385

Original drawer here, I probably drew too much realistic disney stuff when I was younger so "no idea whether it wants to be a disney drawing or a moe uguu drawing" really described it well even if I'm not trying to draw that kind of look consciously. Anyway I shall heed /ic advice here and study other stylized work more so my work won't look like an odd combination of western and anime art. Thanks guys for sharing your thought on this

>>2962407
>>2962346
was meant to quote this along with other post

>>2962407
Ugh.
Please just read the sticky, i cant tell you how many times ive seen this post. You arent even good enough to be thinking about style yet and i seriously doubt you can draw any "realistic disney stuff"

>>2962412
>Ugh.
>You arent even good enough to be thinking about style yet

I can't help but read this as though you're actually just incredibly buttfrustrated or envious. On what cosmic level gave you the idea the artist is so bad that they aren't even allowed to consider what style they would want to draw in? Or rather, what the fuck does that even mean? I wasn't aware that you had to be up to a certain point in order to even be allowed to consider style into one's curriculum of learning.

>>2962377

Thanks for taking the time to crit.

>Don't know if that makes sense but certain areas like on the legs and shadows seem kinda scratchy/not fully confident.

One thing I was really struggling with in those areas is getting a smooth line with the pen. I've been on the same nib for months (with very infrequent usage) and it really started shitting the bed on that one. It just wouldn't lay down a line without giving it some pressure to start, and that makes it more intimidating to use.

When I did the most recent one (with the out of proportion forearms) I replaced the nib and thinned out my ink a little for good measure. It was way easier to control. I reckon I've spent about 4-5 hours with the pen today and just in that time I'm feeling much more comfortable with it.

As for originals, there's really nothing to see. Pretty crap all around. I've just started tackling this Chris Samnee drawing with my brush pen and it's way harder because it's finishing rather than inking and my skills are pretty derp.

>>2962415
unless the anon is the Michelangelo of drawing art and posted proof of it no one should really take what anyone on /ic/ says wholeheartedly, especially if they're not even critiquing you and especially if it sounds like they're establishing a new dumb-as-shit rule to art. and especially from someone who unironically typed "ugh" and said to himself that it was okay.

he could've just said "just read the sticky" and that would've been the end of it. But then he went on to say that the artist is as incapable as a pile of rocks and doubted their ability to draw, so it's hard not to see them as anything but buttmad.

>>2962406
"Even X could be seen as Y" implies that X is one of the farthest from Y of its kind. And that is definitely not the case with MoeShit-On.

>>2962415
Maybe instead of making me into a strawman, take what i said at face value and try to better yourself instead of picking a fight on the internet.

>ur just mad so there
ok.

>>2962421
in the context of replying to a guy who literally recommended shit-on because he thought those faces had form, using 'even your x' is fine.

but this is /ic/ not fucking /grammar/, the anon is still retarded as all fuck being so anal about one word.

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>>2962416

Forgot to post the picture lol.

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I have no clue what to do with this so might as well post here...

>>2962253
>>2962019
>>2961858
These look great man. At first I wasn't sure if they were traced or not.

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>>2962336
it's kinda weird that you don't see the lipstick with all that makeup on. just my two cents

>>2962407
Original responder here, wasn't expecting it to turn into a shitshow between 2-3 unrelated people but welcome to /ic/

I'm honestly eager to see more of your work. I don't think it's a weird combination of Disney and anime, just realistic and overly simplified, like I said. If you want something in-between eastern and western you can totally have that, but right now you don't know HOW to do it.

>>2962426

Of course they're traced, that's what inking is.

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I'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO DRAW CUTE ANIME GIRLS
RRREEAAAAAARRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>2962088
The face looks especially unappealing, she looks retarded. Study some ahegao faces but you should also find another way to draw nipples.

Lastly her left boob looks like it sits in her armpit, with her arm going this far forward it should move more with her shoulder, as the pec meets the shoulder. But maybe its just the nipple placement, it just looks a lil weird.

>>2962448
hilarious!

>>2962383
Cute!

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almost done with the lines me thinks

>>2962022
good to see how much you've improved over the year or so since i first saw you here, i'll be back with some tips for you in about an hour or so

>>2962088
hot

>>2962242
she's Kanna from Dragon maid

but yeah, I was in my comfort zone. My excuse is that I'm gradually getting myself back to drawing because I rage quit half a month ago.

>>2961930
Blog or something? Want to follow you

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>>2961930
Wew, lad
So you don't draw just heads

>>2962643
That's pretty gud, you have your recognizable style, I can see it having an audience.

I have a question tho, do you start with a gesture of some sort, some smooth flowing curves to get energy into the drawing? The posing is a bit awkward.

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I just wanted to convey my ideas onto paper clearly, didn't want to split the atom

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oc redraw

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idk

>>2962701
cute posing! Though something about her right eye is throwing me off; I think the face seems more front-on than 3/4.

>>2962336
the mouth is lazy af, the eyes don't seem like they're aligned with the face and the pupils are looking in two different directions. Everything else is good enough though, so it shouldn't be difficult to make it look nice

>>2962383
I know her pose is supposed to be tense, but don't mistake that for a stiff gesture. Next time, try to stick out her chest and bring her shoulders back to add some nice curve to her spine(and emphasize the titty of course). I think you arrived at a pretty good expression though

>>2962842
I really like the outfit, but all the pink in her color scheme is stuck in the lower half. I'd give her a pink hairpin or something to balance it out

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theres no draw thread so ill post here.

>>2962865
do you ever change the angle or facial expression? seems like the same drawing/painting everytime

>>2962867
tell me how to draw the back of my head and i'll gladly do it.

>>2962872
tilt your head downwards, or upwards, or sideways. or smile, or squint
>tell me how to draw the back of my head and i'll gladly do it.
put one mirror infront of you and one behind you. ezpz

>>2962872
Photos and mirrors

>>2962880
do i really need to prove i can draw myself looking down or up? that just seems like a hassle and a way to make my neck sore. if I learn to draw myself perfectly from one angle i'd imagine i'd be able to do it at any angle. or are you just looking for ways to make my art "interesting"

>>2962865
How have you been Brian

>>2962901
bored

>>2962909
Why
There's a new section of twitch now

>>2962896
i was just commenting on how all of your self-portraits look the same. I don't want you to do or prove anything.

>>2962701
Were you the man I told the story of how I lost both my arms due to fighting crocodiles in the nile river?
>>2962692
I don't really have a blog, I'm sorry.

>>2962896
Actually you won't be able to since that doesn't give you enough understanding of the 3D shape.

>>2962921
>all your self portraits look the self
>all pictures of yourself look like you

Not the op of the self portrait but this is how i'm reading this as and it sounds retarded.
>>2962913
Reeeeally stiff anon. Do some studies of hands, warm up with gesture drawings to combat your drawings looking so stiff.

>>2962956
idk man im just drawing... drawing is enough of a challenge for me without having to hold a dumb face for 15 minutes.

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Really struggling to render hands with this style. Any tips / pointers?

>>2963020
The best thing to do is draw more hands, anon.

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>>2962067
ok, so I tried to do more stylized so it would be appropriate for this thread, is it cute or does it have too much uncanny valley factor?

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Sup

I can't resize the image further or the lineart gets destroyed

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retarded designs

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>>2963173
and idk

>>2963174
Really like this. I find drawing objects to be really hard, so this is inspiring.

>>2962643
Thanks, dood.
I'm surprised you remember me

>>2963159
Is that supposed to be hair? Because I'm reminded of a nurses hood more than I am of human hair.

the world pushed me too far and now you've gone and broken me for good.

>>2963218

Sorry senpai... well, my penis is not called "the world" without a good reason

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thoughts? been staring at it too long. wip

>>2963159
iggy or vincent?

>>2963210
nurse hood? do you mean a nun?

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What does this mean, exactly?

>>2963247
i legit have no idea what this is trying to convey...

>>2963234


Vincento, I don't remember if Iggy was that type of companion autorave


>>2963247

Live fibers

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>>2963255
Are you being serious? What does that even mean, live fibers?

>>2963247
It looks like it's trying to show you the landmarks of the body. Each x on the body represents a major mass or important land mark like the pelvis, elbows, knees, etc. pretty simple stuff but they made it look so complicated cause of the big x's. and I think the ribbony line is supposed to show you the rhythm/flow of the body.

>>2963232
Pretty good color choice and rendering. Not anything amazing but deifinitely better than most people. Good job

>>2963263
thank you :)

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yay francine

>>2963284
im just happy to see her drawn outside of seth mcfartbags shit style

>>2963247

>This guy draws almost exclusively with contours

I swear he's trolling with infographics like these.

>>2963307
Which he's able to do because he understands the inner workings

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commission wip...

>>2961858
this is really cool dude

>>2963359
I'd pay for this

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Been trying to get back into drawing again after a long period of inactivity- did a body type chart for some ocs. This was before I started looking at tutorials on this board and I know I need to get a better grip on bodies/legs/feet.

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>>2963361
Can I ask how you draw height differences? F-for a friend of course

>>2963247
Rope bondage.

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>>2963363
I kinda just eyeballed it and then used this to resize each character, but I'd definitely sketch with the chart first just so they'll be proportionate to one another.

>>2963359
You weren't kiddin when you said you liked rendering miniskirts. You;ve got me feeling some kind a way..
The only thing that stands out to me is th shoulder girdle. Her left shoulder looks like it's caving in on itself.

>>2963359
You got anywhere you post your stuff?
Looks sugoi dude.

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is it weird?

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Some sort of goat demon boy

>>2963359
Fug, that latex/leather skirt rendering is fantastic.

Like the other anon said though, watch the shoulders. The clavicle is protruding too much on the right-side.

>>2963359
Man, I see why you get commissions, this is great. I would offer crit, but I ain't good enough to.

>>2963232
You could probably bump up that contrast and darken those shadows, especially in the hair. The dull, mid grey shadows look a bit muddy, maybe add some more saturation in there as well?

>>2963359
This is the skill level I want to be at. Any advice for a fan? ps blog?

I love her face. I'm curious how much did you get for it? I'd pay a good chunk for that (i'm poor though just complimenting).

>>2963394
It's weird but in a good way. I like the color choices and the lighting. As a sexy piece it's not but it's cool as it's own thing. The background is utter shit though and she blends into it from the thumbnail (I thought it was a moth desu). Something like this you want to pop off the background.
>>2963406
It's cute but it's as basic ass as basic gets.
Did you freehand this lineart or use a tool that does most of the steady work for you? I'm getting major feels for the latter. If you did freehand it, you need to just in general work on your line weights.
>>2963409
Ooh yeah I see it too. Shouldn't be a hard fix though anon.

>>2963419
Thank you. Now that i've had a break from it I can see what you mean. I'm going to in the end need to color adjust it in photoshop anyway (drawing it in krita) but i'm going to add another, idk, layer of darker shadows to some parts to give it more depth.

The skin isn't done though and i might need to restart it because I used the wrong base color (The background color threw me off).

Thank you, i'm glad i'm getting some good feedback on this. I guess it shows that taking your time and using references is the way to go haha (Legit been staring at ice cream for hours so I broke my diet to get some ice cream).

>>2963425
I freehanded everything except the tail. I agree though, I really need to work on my lineweights some more, my lines are as boring as hell. I still can't find a way to balance them out with my coloring when I try to do more painterly-type coloring, though.... >.<

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drawing of krista

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trying to be speedy

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>>2963406

>>2963247
It's meant to convey they rhythm and proportion of the body similar to how the reilly method is used for the rhythm of the face.

>>2963534
luckily your coloring helps it a lot

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>>2963575

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I love a fisheye

>>2963247
>>2963537
This is what they are they are flow or gesture lines as far as I can tell.

>>2963378
>>2963409
Thanks friends. Yeah might be how dark and sharp the clavicle line is

>>2963425
Sorry I'm really bad at giving general advice that isn't basically the same thing you hear everyday. If you have specific questions you can hit me up on my tumblr. I'm being paid 80USD for this.

>>2963384
https://barkode.tumblr.com/

>>2963586
You should learn to do it properly then. Where is your stationary point? The distortion on the far left building is way too strong compared to the distortion to the one on the far right. The closer an object gets to the stationary point, the less distortion there is.

>>2963629
You're right, I'm just freehanding it for time. I'll fix the left side if I can do it quickly.

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for a friend

>>2963247
curves

>>2963722
i love this

>>2963722
pretty damn good. but the hair is sticking out of the helmet.

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first time trying a good anime style
there will be error, probably
what do you think?

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A page.

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I don't think "anime" is the right word for it but it's more stylized than not.

The arm looks off to me, seems like it's too short. Thoughts?

>>2963789
Feels like she got sunburnt on the palms of her hands. You seems to have tried giving some kind of dynamic pose but the body looks a bit messy because of that, like the part of the torso above the breasts doesn't seems to belong to the bottom part. The breasts shapes also seems weird. And the hips looks too much rotated on the right (her right) compared to the waist. Her neck also doesn't seems to be on the middle of the shoulders and is too thick for an anime girl.

>>2963801
thanks for your suggestions

>>2963359
how long does it take you to do a piece, start to finish?

>>2961858
are you the guy that traces over comic covers

>>2962643
are you meri? or- i forget the name exactly.
i think i used to follow you but i just couldnt stay interested in your furry shit.

your art's still good though :^)

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is the anatomy on these 2 just good enough for me to get away with continuing like this? i've re-drawn the lower half of the au ra's body thrice now (its for a commission)

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I know shit's off but I liked it that way for some reason

>>2964138
>that neck
yaoi neck?

>>2964138
Yeesh, you got some attractive elements, but that massive neck and low down mouth really aren't good looking at all. If you didn't notice that neck on your own then you really should do some more anatomy studies.

>>2961693
your digital inks are fucking garbage. this? this is fucking beautiful. how does that even happen? dude time to learn to render in another style.

>>2964160
Nah I specifically meant the neck that looked off but somehow when I made it thinner it looked... generic?? so I kept it, but needs more trial and error

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>>2964138
reminds me of those ugly mangaka artist that make yaoi love novels.

>>2963632
good design, decent colors, still bad keep going.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqsJBgfUwpk

>>2964164
Middle ground dude.

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>>2964183
toned it down and raised the mouth a bit, guess that still works

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Working on a line up of characters for my Web series

>>2962913
shes very flat. her hands are too small too, even for anime styles.

>>2963173
>>2963174
these are really cool. give a zedig vibe to them, you should try to do a comic.

>>2964187
they look extremely fogettable- just like every other webcomic out there
good job anon

>>2964200
That isn't all the characters yet but alright

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>>2964186
the problem isnt so much the neck as it is that certain parts dont scale with the rest of him. is he supposed to be bara material or a scrawny lad??
i understand it's anime- but even that mouth on a head so fucking huge is way way too small. also:
>no chin
>neck just barely too long, even for stylization
>shoulders not broad enough to support his massive cranium

that said, you have a blog? i do like your art

>>2964278
oh, thanks for taking your time, thats a cute mouth
barely updated it but http://rokujuukyu.tumblr.com/

>>2964278
That torso still looks....wrong.

>>2964417
yeah- i hope i got my point across though

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What do I need to do to have my drawings look good? I tried to thin her a bit, but it just looks fucking retarded.

Most weeb artists can spew a similar looking lady, but I can't understand what makes them.

>>2964455
years of practice.

>>2964460
Nice meme.

>>2964180
bad how exactly? i need to know what to work on. and thanks for at least commenting, I usually get skimmed over after posting stuff lol

>>2964163
>your digital inks are fucking garbage

They're not digital. Thanks for the constructive criticism though.

>>2964236
I think he's doing an animated thing, not a webcomic. I remember one of those characters doing some shit over in the animation thread.

Which also kinda disproves the forgettable thing, to a point, but whatever i'm not going to argue they're good designs.

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some character stuff before i color

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I plan on making the on adding depth of field to the BG, but does the composition work?
Also, what should she be saying?

>>2964732

Move her closer to the left border.

>>2964687
Not him, but rather than forgettable I'd say they look fairly generic or rehashed. I feel like I've seen each and every one of those characters elsewhere.

>>2964733
what's your reasoning?

>>2964732
There's a tangent with her hand (holding the thingy) and the window.

>>2964740

Rule of thirds bro.

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>>2964455
Alright, my art ain't perfect myself, so feel free to accuse me of Dunning Kruger's, but here's what I see

From what's going on here, it seems you aren't thinking of the shapes of the body as 3D forms, but instead just as lines and flat shapes. The chest of the right body is super flat, remember that the ribcage is basically an egg shape with sheets of muscle over it. The shape of the chest will be more round/boxy than flat. Additionally, consider how body parts will rotate, such as the arms. Since the torso is turned away from the viewer, the right arm will be turned towards the viewer and the left arm will be turned away. Here it seems like you had the left arm parallel to the viewer.

So yeah, go over you fundies some more, anatomy, perspective, construction, all that yadda yadda. Do some figure drawings and read up on anatomy, I like Hampton, they really helped me get a better grasp of the human body.

>>2964744
Both hands, actually. Thanks for catching that

>>2964751
>they really helped me get a better grasp of the human body

well you need to revisit him

>>2964768
The you should be giving the dude critique instead

>>2961229
>ALTERNATIVE
>STYLIZATION
>GENEARL
What did he mean by this

>>2964773
You are him?

>>2964698

Mob as a girl?

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how does this look?

>>2964789
Her expression is bad. What is she even looking at?

>>2962792
blog?

>>2963141
Sycra??

>>2964789
Good lighting but the perspective on the head is a little off, it makes her face look flat.

>>2964751

Oh, I see what you are saying, the problem is just the connections. I don't know how to really "connect" them if I fully follow the construction method.

I've been a bunch of gesture studies and I can't grasp the stylization anymore.

Also, I can't find for fucks sake any info about the pelvis besides the bone. I really want to know how shit works between the legs, but I might have to resort to porn.

>>2963141
Uncanny valley effect is almost definitely caused by the fact that you just mirrored one side of her face; something that is never seen in real life.

>>2962426
BLOG PLS I LOVE THIS

>>2964786
Yes that was the inspiration

>>2963789
Her nipples are crooked dude. And way too high even for tiny nips. Please look at a picture of real tits.

You have a good iea of where shadows go and shit but your blending is so patchy and not in a stylized way.

>>2963793
You don't know how asses in dresses work. Even in a skintight dress you won't see the top "v" part of the ass crack. The rest looks fine.

As for the page itsself, I was confused by the second panel because it doesn't look anything like she's suddenly catching sight of dat ass.

I 'm not great at comics though so I'm not positive how you could fix it since my solution would be to add slightly more panels, drag out her line of sight changing, or since it's animu anyway just do a dashed-line line of sight leading that way so you get the idea before the panel of just ass.


Also now that i'm looking at this more: Dude, you don't see ABS through a dress either no matter how skintight, that's just not how that kind of material works.

Look up some thots in tiny dresses you'll see tons of references there.

>>2964579
>work on. and thanks for at least commenting, I usually get skimmed over after posting stuff lol
>>>
> Anonymous 05/02/17(Tue)18:31:11 No.2964579▶
>>>2964163
>>your digital inks are fucking garbage

Ignore this faggot I think they look good. Not WOW AMAZING but they're nowhere near close to garbage.

Just needs more finesse, and for traditional inks I think they look good since traditional ink is unforgiving as fuck (inktober every year makes me hate trying lol. I'll stick to my undo button.)

>>2964732
Move her left you shouldn't have two things touching the same side of the boarder in a piece like this.

I personally think you'd be better off expanding and just drawing the rest of her legs desu.

Background is boring though so I hope you really take advantage of that window and the possibly light it'll provide.

>>2964943
I don't know why my quoting got so fucked up looking like that. Hope you guys know what i meant to do there.

>>2964939
trying to figure out how to blend better
thanks anyway

>>2964967
Start with a hard brush to lay down the color, then go softer and softer until you're basically using an airbrush. By the time you get to th airbrush stage you should be hardly able to see the changes happening.

Starting too soft usually leads to the unblendable blotchiness.

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Idk if I'm good enough to start doing smut comics, opinions?

>>2964978
I think you're good enough. There's still stuff you need to improve on (like those hands on the bottom left) but I think you're good enough to start. You'll probably get better as you go on so might as well start now.

>>2964978
I think you're good enough to start but if you're not feeling confident, work on some cover art as extra practice.

Work on the mouths and hands though. You have to find that balance between anime and semi-realism depending on the scene or you'll just have a boner killer.

Like the one with the tongue? It looks like a mini t-bone steak is slapped on her chin.

>>2964983
>>2964985
Thx, will work on ur suggestion

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>>2964941
>Dude, you don't see ABS through a dress either no matter how skintight, that's just not how that kind of material works.

2d super skintight clothes has been a thing since the start of comics, how new are you?

>>2965018
And so has bikini chainmail armor but it doesn't make it look any less retarded.

>>2965043
Actually, it does.

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>>2965043
It's just intended exaggeration to make things more appealing. But I guess you're gonna say all the pro that does it are retards that have no idea what they're doing?

>>2965043
>>2965051
And chainmail bikini isn't the same, it obviously does is stupid when used seriously like some proper armor. But series/games that uses them have usually the magic resistance excuse anyway.

>>2965053
>it obviously does is stupid

Look guys can we not argue about my opinion being wrong here and not derail the thread? In my opinion, as someone who's a consumer as well as an animator, thinks it looks retarded on an anime-styled character unless it's hyper rendered, which this is not.

Can we at least agree that I can accept it as some sort of "classic trope" and leave it at that? This is a retarded thing to argue about.

>>2964941
getting too realistic is boring man. If he wants to show the abs then let him do that, it looks appealing at the very least.

>>2963793

Read this: http://www.artofmanliness.com/2013/09/25/good-fitted-suit-visual/

If you want to draw well dressed people you need to know how to dress well.

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>>2963204
sorry for taking so long to get back to you, i swear i made a post but i guess it got ate or i forgot to actually hit the post button or something else stupid on my end lol

hairline and the neck placement were the big two that i noticed

you've given her a bit of receding hairline at the temple and while folks like robbie rotten, phil collins, jack black and vinny caravella pull it off with flying colors, most young women won't have that kinda hairline. i did some quick kinda shitty little top down projections to show how i visualized the hairline you drew originally would look from above as well as a quick estimation of where her hairline should probably be while still preserving her slight widow's peak on the right side of the image

remember that the neck and the spine are one in the same. they're a bit misaligned in your original drawing. went and drew a quick estimation of her ribcage's form so i wouldn't be distracted by her bobbies and then followed that to get a better idea of where the neck would emerge from the back, then went and redid the traps and clavicle etc, that part's p self explanatory

just gotta remember to think in 3d
>>2962706
i did a quick lil thumbnail, i put it in the bottom right of the image i posted at about the resolution it was drawn. tried to push the perspective more as i started working on the buff dudes, realizing they felt a bit blah but yeah, overall i do need to work on putting more energy into my porn drawings. am curious as to know in more detail what feels awkward about the posing tho, i've been staring at that image for so long my brain's still kinda fried haha

i am definitely trying to work more of the flow that more toony artists i like have in their work, people like budu-nsfw, amiamid etc

>>2964004
nope, i kno of merri tho, gotta whiles to reach her level hahaha.

>>2965214
Thx, friend. I'll try to make those changes.
Btw, do you have a blog?

>>2963247
I had a mate who is intermediate in Japanese try to translate some of these and he said that apparently this is his way of "checking" if the figure is right or something. so he just goes straight ahead and draws the figure, and THEN does the ribbons/bondage around the characters

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Getting the values and colour harmony on this down properly is going to be the death of me...

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Tips about how to add quick backgrounds ?

Sometimes I just want to draw characters and sometimes I just want to draw backgrounds so I use manga studio assets to add a quick background or character

I don't like to upload characters without a backgrounds

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Learning to paint without lineart, slowly getting the hang of it.

>>2965286
Man, now that's some DAtier drawing.

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Any anatomy corrections for this one if I need them before I start lining the rest? I feel like it's a bit stiff, even if it's supposed to be a little like that

>>2965286
At least make the lighting in the background make sense with the character mang, the pic provided is blaring bright in comparison to that night setting. Else it looks jarring af. I'm shit with backgrounds to though, still trying to figure out what to do for this one

>>2965320
You should give that anon a red line. Show em whose boss.

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>>2965320

How so ?

>>2965321

I wanted the character to be brighter to highlight it but maybe that was a bad visual choice.

Maybe the perspective of the box doesn't go along with the perspective of the sky, but I'm not sure

>>2965318
Awww that's cute as heck, anon. Doesn't look a fucking thing like a sheep though but furries get away with a lot so whatever. My goarsona from high school doesn't look much like a goat ha.

I love the lighting and I think lineless coloring suits your style a lot.
>>2965349
Not that anon but i agree. It's basic as heck. You could find this on anyone's DA

>thin flat lineart
>flatass coloring
>flat face
>rum comes in a cask usually and that box looks like a shitty cardboard box
>wheres her other foot anon?
>What's the box standing on, anon, air?

Plan out your background WITH the figure in your sketching phase because the method you're using now is garbage.

Stop using assets to add quick backgrounds, learn to make them from the ground up like your characters. There are no shortcuts. There is no secret ingredient.
Bonus round
>The grammar on the dialogue sucks
>Why the fuck are the word bubbles boxes?
>Why are they SO FUCKING FAR away from the character?
Either imply it in the description when you post it or commit to making it look like a comic panel.

>also implying rape is going to happen

Stop being a lazy cunt and expecting results.

>>2965355
lol goarsona. Goatsona. Goat.

>>2965349
I guess you traced the pose looking at how everything else is so low quality and screams beginner.

>>2965372
I'm assuming you mean proportions because that pose is god fucking awful.

>>2965373
Both. The overall pose is pretty solid, like the left hand resting on the leg, and same for the proportions. It's at a way higher level than the rest.

>>2965355

Oh I understand the issues with the background now, I just planned to draw the character without any background just a cube to complement the pose. Now that I think about it it would be easier to plan and draw the character and background from the beggining

>

But I like the look of thin line art

>>2965372

Nope

>>2965383
Just admit it dude, its really obvious you're full of shit.
You're posting on a board filled with people who do nothing but look at everything wrong with a drawing, of course we'll notice when you're obviously bullshitting us.

>>2965383
Don't lie.

any good loli references/tutorials?

>>2965385
>>2965386

Look me in the eyes... do you really think I'm going to lie to you, /Ic/ senpai ?!

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I'm gonna call this done. Still don't know what she should be saying.
>>2965400
( ͠° ͟ ͜ʖ ͡ ͠°)

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Some initial character sketches for a project idea, need to model the big guy after I do some design revisions. He and the red one are the main two.

>>2965411
im really not sure what the red one is trying to convey. i think the big guy and the blue one would make for better partners

>>2965411
imo the yellow and red are too similar. you usually want some some change in dynamics between the main characters.

>>2965413
>>2965416
Much thanks for your input guys, I'll take this into consideration. Red guy needs a lot of work as he was the very first and the yellow was the most recent so I'll need to do some work seeing how I can make them mesh together a little better as a duo personality/design wise.

Appeal is a hard thing to nail down.

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Trying to get a process down. Lately just been drawing sad girls smoking cigarettes.

>>2965454
the girl on the right is slanted too hard, looks like she's about to fall over desu

>>2965466
She's falling into addiction.

>>2965471
I kek'd

>>2965411
I like your style for these guys, but green slime feels lackluster compared to the rest and big orange guy looks a little too much like that one orange monster from Monsters Inc who gets shaved.

>>2965476
Thank you for the feedback anon, I admit I'm not too fond of the green guy myself, just throwing out the ideas and will experiment further with design work. I can see the likeness now right down to the stripes (completely unintentional) so I'll do some work on him, too.

>>2965454
never knows best

>>2965466
To me it looks like she is leaning on a wall.

>>2965383
Do you have your sketch anon?

Look, it undeniably looks like shit, you need to face that your skill level is still beginner regardless of if you traced, eyeballed or freehand the drawing.

The lineart looks like shit.

>>2965395
Kill yourself pedo

>>2965409
"Welcome home, master" lol

I love what you did with the background. It's super simple and doesn't detract from the character without looking like garbage in the meantime.

The figure needs more time and love though, and I like this picture so I hope you'll take another crack at it. Some deeper shadows on the figure, and some brighter highlights to make that back lighting shine.

Don't give up on it yet, anon, this has a lot of potential for a piece.

Also if you don't know what she should say consider leaving out the speech bubble entirely

>>2965454
If she's not leaning on the wall the girl on the right would definitely fall over if she were real standing like that. The weight she's leaning on for the rest of the pic doesn't match the right leg which is giving it that feeling to me.

I think they're cute otherwise.

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>>2965409
Here more dynamic coloring like this will really help her pop. Right now she feels really flat.

New thread >>2965861